The worst episode I've ever seen(spoiler)
Mike Plowman
Fri 21.02.97 will go down in Coronation St history as, without a
doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
90% of the show was taken up by the Fraser/Liz/Fiona/Thingy storyline.
As if that wasn't bad enough, we are treated to La Mouton stripping
off for Fraser in the back of the winebar!
They kill of a character who a)at least had potential in the Corrie
tradition of strong women and b)can act.
The entire half an hour was a waste of time and I'm sure you all know
how much it saddens me to say that It was made to appear all the
worse, I suspect, in comparison to Emmerdale the night before.
The only tiny bright spot was when La Mouton ran into what appeared to
be Orinoco Womble while out shopping.
Did anyone else feel the same about this episode?
Is anyone actually enjoying the Liz/Fraser thing?
Mike Plowman
"Hey we all like to party right? Absolutely,
but you'd have to be an idiot to say 'I want
to enter the nightmare of cake' " - Bruno Brooks
Bob
In article <330df8d...@newnews.dial.pipex.com>,
mike.p...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman) wrote:
> Fri 21.02.97 will go down in Coronation St history as, without a
> doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
>
> 90% of the show was taken up by the Fraser/Liz/Fiona/Thingy storyline.
> As if that wasn't bad enough, we are treated to La Mouton stripping
> off for Fraser in the back of the winebar!
>
> They kill of a character who a)at least had potential in the Corrie
> tradition of strong women and b)can act.
>
> The entire half an hour was a waste of time and I'm sure you all know
> how much it saddens me to say that It was made to appear all the
> worse, I suspect, in comparison to Emmerdale the night before.
>
> The only tiny bright spot was when La Mouton ran into what appeared to
> be Orinoco Womble while out shopping.
>
> Did anyone else feel the same about this episode?
> Is anyone actually enjoying the Liz/Fraser thing?
>
Nope, it all smacks to me of desperation and who in their right mind
thinks that La Mouton's under garments are sexy? I nearly coughed up my
tea.Its a shame that the ending with Joyce was handled very matter of
factly. So much for Tony's lethal driving, he was going all of four miles
an hour and the stunt woman landed very softly. Next time can we have more
of a crunching of bone and a touch of mangled limb? That'd push the
ratings up.
Bob
Ian Harding
In article <330df8d...@newnews.dial.pipex.com>, Mike Plowman
<mike.p...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>Did anyone else feel the same about this episode?
>Is anyone actually enjoying the Liz/Fraser thing?
When this storyline first started I didn't like it, but I must admit
that it's growing on me. I try to forget that I'm watching Corry and
that makes it easier to enjoy. I quite liked the jazz music playing in
the background when Fraser admitted that not only does he have
incredibley bad taste, but that he is also as blind as a bat. But that
was the episode before the one you mentioned.
I couldn't believe it when Liz MacMutton started to strip - I was eating
my tea at the time, so to avoid a nasty mess on the carpet courtesy of a
technicolour yawn, I decided to look away, so I have no idea whether or
not we were treated to a glimpse of her (not very) interesting bits.
I really have my doubts about the sanity of whoever is changing Corry in
this way. I just hope that they don't kill off too many of the true
Corry characters. I'd like to think that when the fool in charge
eventually gets sacked that there will be a chance of getting Corry back
on course.
But there are still a few great moments in there somewhere, so I'll
continue to watch - and wait - and hope that they don't go so far off
track that too much damage is done. I'd hate to see Corry axed.
--
Ian Harding
Adrian Murphy
Bob wrote:
> Its a shame that the ending with Joyce was handled very matter of
> factly. So much for Tony's lethal driving, he was going all of four miles
> an hour and the stunt woman landed very softly. Next time can we have more
> of a crunching of bone and a touch of mangled limb? That'd push the
> ratings up.
>
> Bob
Ok, so maybe I'm really morbid, but when the "death" scene was over, I
said "was that it?" It happened too slowly, where was the screech of
brakes and - actually, the scene (I think) would have worked better if
there were witnesses, that'd add "excitement" in the form of screaming,
shouting etc.
And as for La Mouton stripping...well ! Let's just hope the "explosive"
ending comes shortly !
--
Bye
Adrian Murphy, Ireland
"EuroVision : All Kinds of Everything" & "The Summer Bay Surf Club"
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Patricia Mulvena
>doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
I am not a fan of always adding 'me too' to someone else's post and so
tend to lurk most of the time, but I was so horrified with the storyline
last night, that I have to say in answer to your question 'did anyone
else think the storyline lousy?'
ME TOO!
Last night upheld my grave suspicions of the depth that the CS ratings
chasers will go to get another million viewers. Obviously the
scriptwriters are dazzled by the length of Liz's shiny bestockinged
thighs and have let the blood rushing to their brain, knock what little
sense they have, out!!
They are acting like adolescent school boys!
--
Patr...@enza.demon.co.uk
Penshaw
Tyne and Wear
patr...@enza.demon.co.uk
Bob
In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.97022...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>,
Tracy Roketta <roke...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA> wrote:
> What's "Orinoco Womble"???
I'm saddened that you have not experienced the cultural richness of The
Wombles, it was a children's animated programme of the seventies based on
books by Elizabeth Beresford and Orinoco was the best.
Underground, overground, wombling free.....ah me
Bob (forever in love with Mme Cholet)
George Middleton
Mike Plowman wrote on Sat, 22 Feb 1997:
>Fri 21.02.97 will go down in Coronation St history as, without a
>doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
But you missed out the Claire's hair incident, which had no story value
and was clearly only there because the actress needed to change her hair
style for some reason.
The only segment with any dramatic interest was the setting up of the
"who *is* the baddy? The con or the cop?" story.
--
George
tsw...@indigo.ie
>
>Fri 21.02.97 will go down in Coronation St history as, without a
>doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
>
Seems to me that the entire 36yrs - from b&w to colour is just bloody
awful!
Winona Kent
Tracy Roketta wrote:
>
> X-no-archive: yes
>
> On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 tsw...@indigo.ie wrote:
>
> > Seems to me that the entire 36yrs - from b&w to colour is just bloody
> > awful!
>
> message to a ng dedicated to this particular show?
--
Beware the Clan of Pooky Baiters! They're lurking everywhere! :)))
Cheers,
Nona Kent
wk...@direct.ca
Mike Plowman
> On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 tsw...@indigo.ie wrote:
>
> Seems to me that the entire 36yrs - from b&w to colour is just bloody
> awful!
Ho ho, a pook wannabe methinks.
Then you, sir, are a dolt and an insufferable buffoon! :-)
Seiously, I do worry about people who 'just don't get' CS. we have a
few people at work who when the conversation swings round to Corrie
(as it does approximately ever 5 mins in my office) say, " I just
can't see what's good about it".
Now you know me, I'm an easygoing sort of chap but really, euthanasia
is really the only solution. If someone is so impaired that they can't
grasp the appeal of CS (I have a six year old who loves the show) then
it's our duty to put them out of their misery.
Bob
In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.97022...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>,
Tracy Roketta <roke...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I was in high school in the '70's - and I don't think they had
> such a program here in Canada. What did they do? Were they like elves
> and fairies?
>
Not quite, they were small and furry and lived on Wimbledon Common where
they picked up the litter and made new uses out of the things we humans
threw away. That sounds dire but it wasn't.
Bob
Winona Kent
Mike Plowman wrote:
> Ho ho, a pook wannabe methinks.
Yes, Mike, I agree. A definite sprog from the Clan of the Pooky Baiters.
> Then you, sir, are a dolt and an insufferable buffoon! :-)
------
Off with his head, I say. Hanging's too good for him. A bloody good
flogging's what he needs. Where's Jane when you need her. Off on some
sodding holiday.
Winona Kent
--
I liked the theme song. :)
Julian Flood
In article <330EE7...@iol.ie>, Adrian Murphy <z...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
> Ok, so maybe I'm really morbid, but when the "death" scene was over, I
> said "was that it?" It happened too slowly, where was the screech of
> brakes and - actually, the scene (I think) would have worked better if
> there were witnesses, that'd add "excitement" in the form of screaming,
> shouting etc.
>
I couldn't agree more.The rest of the episode (such as it was) had more
dramatic strength than the rather tame accident ending.After all the hype I
couldn't believe Joyce went out with such a whimper! Don't the credits roll
without music when there's a death? I'm sure the signature tune played as
usual.
Chris flood
--
Don't hurry me... I'm from Suffolk.
Dave Reardon
Patr...@enza.demon.co.uk wrote
> ME TOO!
<AOL> Me too!! </AOL>
I was also slightly amused by:
> the scriptwriters are dazzled by the length of Liz's shiny bestockinged
> thighs and have let the blood rushing to their brain, knock what little
> sense they have, out!!
it to have the brain today?) But to get back on thread (with apologies to
Patricia for my gentle LEG pull (OH THE PUN!!)) I felt that Sunday's was a
bit better. It was good to see that horrible Anne get her come uppance. But
wait! Why does Eric Firman spend so much time at the store these days? When
Curly was in charge there was hardly ever a sight of him (outside of the
Square Dealers of course) but he seems to have taken up residence now.
Perhapshe had designs on little innocent Anne, or am I being too cynical?
Where's Fred Elliot? He was a larger than life character, slimy, devious
and all the rest, just like someone we all must know. Bring him back, he
was good fun.And what's happened to Kevin? He seems so depressed, he keeps
upsetting everyone. Presumably pressure of being his own boss. He'd better
watch it or he'll blow a gasket.
Don Brennan seems a bit more chirpy these days. He was my least favourite
character for long enough, with his persistent whinging. The attempted
suicide obviously did him good.
--
Dave Reardon, a teacher but NOT a Ken Barlow!!
Writing from his mighty Acorn - StrongARM kicks ass
Tamworth, Staffordshire, UK.
Bob
In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.970223...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>,
Tracy Roketta <roke...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA> wrote:
> X-no-archive: yes
>
> On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Bob wrote:
>
> > Not quite, they were small and furry and lived on Wimbledon Common where
> > they picked up the litter and made new uses out of the things we humans
> > threw away. That sounds dire but it wasn't.
>
> Sounds like "The Borrowers".
Nah, they were much cuter than those dreary creations which we'll be well
and truly bored with by the time the new film comes out. The wombles were
lovely and practically every child in the seventies had one. They even had
pop songs, okay so they weren't all that good but the programme was tops.
Bob
JarJeff
It appears that the word whinging exists in Britain and also in Australia,
as I recently discovered, but I have never heard it in Canada. Why was it
not exported to this colony as well? Or are there areas of my home and
native land where it is used?
... John
P.S thanks for the warnings about the upcoming nude scenes. I think I'll
skip those episodes, although keep us informed about Fiona and/or Maxine
following this programming trend.
Katherine A. Burgess
JarJeff (jar...@aol.com) wrote:
: It appears that the word whinging exists in Britain and also in Australia,
: as I recently discovered, but I have never heard it in Canada. Why was it
: not exported to this colony as well? Or are there areas of my home and
: native land where it is used?
In my family, we use the word "whingeing" (with an "e"), to refer to
someone's whining - especially a small child "whingeing" for a treat in a
public place. My friends seem to use it also, so we are probably not
unique. :-)
TTFN
Katherine
Kite
In article <3310d05d...@news.demon.co.uk>, "John K."
<jo...@jken.demon.co.uk> writes
>mike.p...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman) wrote:
>
>> 90% of the show was taken up by the Fraser/Liz/Fiona/Thingy storyline.
>> As if that wasn't bad enough, we are treated to La Mouton stripping
>> off for Fraser in the back of the winebar!
>
>from the room in embarrassment.
I must agree with you there - I don't *usually* shut my eyes when
watching CS but Friday's episode was too much. It was a strange
combination, as on one hand I was thinking "what an old slapper" as I
watched the mutton goujons (strips of lamb) - and feely rather queasy
too - but at the same time I was highly amused at Liz's so called
"classy" outfit and Fraser telling her it wasn't tarty enough. All was
certainly revealed in that episode.
--
Fiona Hamilton
Andrew Simpson
In article <HrSUDFAq...@isoplan.demon.co.uk>,
Kite <Ki...@isoplan.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I must agree with you there - I don't *usually* shut my eyes when
>watching CS but Friday's episode was too much. It was a strange
>combination, as on one hand I was thinking "what an old slapper" as I
>watched the mutton goujons (strips of lamb) - and feely rather queasy
>too - but at the same time I was highly amused at Liz's so called
>"classy" outfit and Fraser telling her it wasn't tarty enough. All was
>certainly revealed in that episode.
>--
>Fiona Hamilton
And then, to top it all, we had the leg wrapped around the bedsheets nonsense
in Sunday's episode. Gross!
Graham Allsopp
In article <330df8d...@newnews.dial.pipex.com>,
mike.p...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman) wrote:
>Fri 21.02.97 will go down in Coronation St history as, without a
>doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
I don't know about the worst ever - but it was pretty dire.
>90% of the show was taken up by the Fraser/Liz/Fiona/Thingy storyline.
>As if that wasn't bad enough, we are treated to La Mouton stripping
>off for Fraser in the back of the winebar!
This storyline is now about as rivetting as last year's gnome storyline.
Without being too vicious to Bev Callard, I do wonder just how much power
she now wields around Granada. Even Pat Phoenix was never offered such a
'showcase' storyline (qv Sunday's episode, with La Mouton's very carefully
arranged legs on Henderson's bed). However, if they think that this will
pull in the crowds, they are sadly mistaken.
Tina's Soap Diary (which must use Granada publicity) says:
"...But the new-look Street of the '90s has a higher raunch rating
particularly between Liz McDonald and gangland boss Fraser Henderson. Bev
Callard, who plays the temptress, says the sex scenes won't be explicit but
we will see bare shoulders, and there'll be a shower scene as well as a bed
scene and plenty of snogging."
All this is puzzling as Daran Little says:
"X is for...X rated scenes.
The producers, writers and actors of Coronation Street are proud to say
that in the thirty-five year history of the programme there have never been
any X-rated scenes. Coronation Street was created as a family drama and
will always be viewed as such."
It certainly wasn't X-rated, but it wasn't exactly raunchy either. The bed
scene just had La Mouton sprawled on it, and the 'shower scene' was a shot
of a glass wall. Not exactly exciting drama.
The only saving grace for this whole fiasco is if Liz 's world falls apart
in the next few months, and she ends up where she is currently heading - a
'working girl' on the street.However, she won't get the rate of a Fiesta a
bonk (or is that box ?) that she is currently getting.
However, my worst criticism must go on Joyce's exit. It smacked on a
hastily written scene, dreamed up on a Friday afternoon. It lasted all of
90 seconds and had all the drama of drying paint. It was ludicrous of
Granada to say to the Daily Star: "[Anita Carey] is pleased with the manner
of her killing off. The scene is very spectacular and guarantees skyhigh
viewing figures". It was nothing of these. If that's the best that Brian
Park can do, I have grave fears for the future of the Street. He is
supposed to be an experienced producer whose previous credits included
'serious drama' such as Cracker - he _must_ know better.
Graham's tips for The Street
[hopefully this will get as far as Brian Park - if not higher]
Think carefully about who you axe - both Joyce and Derek had plenty of
storylines left in them. And if they _do_ have to go, make it dramatic, and
make sure the Street publicity machine is working overtime - where was the
advance on-screen publicity of Joyce's demise ? Each exit should be as big
and dramatic as Alan Bradley's.
Get rid of Liz McD - she's as universally hated as Don Brennan now (and see
above about the nature of her departure).
Something had gone seriously wrong with The Street's scriptwriting. I don't
know if it's the writers, the storyliners or the production team, but the
standard of script is plummeting - even Adele Rose has put in a few
lucklustre episodes recently. Patrea Smallacombe is the only exception in
the past few weeks. CS used to be a breeding ground for some of the finest
writers around and we've recently lost two - Frank Cottrell-Boyce and
Stephen Mallatratt. We need more talent like that. If we need to, lets
steal some Emmerdale writers.
Axe the fourth episode. It's unpopular with everyone except the Granada
board, and it's seriously damaging CS's production values. It hasn't even
worked in its stated aim of creating anchor programming for the C3 network.
BBC1 rolled out Ballykissangel and Morecambe & Wise immediately after The
Street at 8:00pm and trounced ITV. No sooner does BallyK finish than Hamish
Macbeth replaces it.
Use the Granada/LWT muscle to force a 90-minute networked omnibus on Sunday
afternoon. G/LWT is the leading group in C3 programming, and should be
prepared to use its weight. A CS omnibus straight after a Grand Prix will
be as formidable anchor programming as the ITV netowrk will be able to
muster.
</soapbox>
Graham
----------------------------------------------------
"The trouble is there's no omnibus edition except in the Granada region -
so that's a new policy for a Labour government."
Tony Blair, Coronation Street, 30 August 1996
Who's Who on The Street website: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~gg1jga/street/
Likely dates for UK General election:
24 Feb - writ issued for 20 March election; 12 March (10 April);
8 April (1 May); 26 April - current Parliament ends (22 May)
Come on John !! - Get on with it !!
Roots
Bob <B...@ratnest.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<Bob-230297...@ratnest.demon.co.uk>...
> In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.97022...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>,
> Tracy Roketta <roke...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA> wrote:
>
> I'm saddened that you have not experienced the cultural richness of The
> Wombles,
> > Sorry, I was in high school in the '70's - and I don't think they had
> > such a program here in Canada. What did they do? Were they like elves
> > and fairies?
> >
>
> Not quite, they were small and furry and lived on Wimbledon Common where
> they picked up the litter and made new uses out of the things we humans
> threw away. That sounds dire but it wasn't.
>
> Bob
>
A mystery revealed. I watched an episode of "Bottom" a few weeks ago,
where Ritchie and Eddie go camping on Wimbledon (sp?) Common. There were
several "Wombles" jokes which left me quite puzzled.
This is truly an educational forum.
Roots
Fredericton, NB
Roots
Tracy Roketta <roke...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA> wrote in article
<Pine.HPP.3.91.97022...@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>...
> X-no-archive: yes
>
> On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 tsw...@indigo.ie wrote:
>
> > Seems to me that the entire 36yrs - from b&w to colour is just bloody
> > awful!
>
> Then why would you bother watching? And why would you post such a
> message to a ng dedicated to this particular show?
>
> Tracy
Just to get a reaction...which they obviously did.
From "The Hacker's Dictionary"
troll v.,n.
To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or
flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes
from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait
through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a
post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to (respond), while subtly
conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll.
Patricia Mulvena
In article <G.Allsopp-ya024080...@news.shef.ac.uk>,
Graham Allsopp <G.Al...@Sheffield.ac.uk> writes
>Graham's tips for The Street
>[hopefully this will get as far as Brian Park - if not higher]
hear hear
>
>Think carefully about who you axe - both Joyce and Derek had plenty of
>storylines left in them. And if they _do_ have to go, make it dramatic, and
>make sure the Street publicity machine is working overtime - where was the
>advance on-screen publicity of Joyce's demise ? Each exit should be as big
>and dramatic as Alan Bradley's.
Joyce Smedley was a class actress who trounces Beverley Callard in the
proffessional stakes. If not too late bring her back and dump Denise
Welch we don't want more steam we want substance!!
>
>Get rid of Liz McD - she's as universally hated as Don Brennan now (and see
>above about the nature of her departure).
A very hearty HEAR HEAR
>
>Axe the fourth episode. It's unpopular with everyone except the Granada
>board, and it's seriously damaging CS's production values. It hasn't even
>worked in its stated aim of creating anchor programming for the C3 network.
>BBC1 rolled out Ballykissangel and Morecambe & Wise immediately after The
>Street at 8:00pm and trounced ITV. No sooner does BallyK finish than Hamish
>Macbeth replaces it.
some snipping but in total agreement
>
>Use the Granada/LWT muscle to force a 90-minute networked omnibus on Sunday
>afternoon. G/LWT is the leading group in C3 programming, and should be
>prepared to use its weight. A CS omnibus straight after a Grand Prix will
>be as formidable anchor programming as the ITV netowrk will be able to
>muster.
Yes definitley drop the fourth episode and bring in an omnibus and after
the Grand Prix would make my sundays, absolute heaven.
Please can the lurker waken up the CS board before it is too late.
Nigel Jones
On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:54:46 GMT, jo...@jken.demon.co.uk (John K.)
wrote:
>mike.p...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman) wrote:
>
>>
>> Fri 21.02.97 will go down in Coronation St history as, without a
>> doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
>>
>> 90% of the show was taken up by the Fraser/Liz/Fiona/Thingy storyline.
>> As if that wasn't bad enough, we are treated to La Mouton stripping
>> off for Fraser in the back of the winebar!
>
>Horrible, and its the second time this week the program has driven me
>from the room in embarrassment.
>--
>John K.
Hmm, I was hoping to see a little more !
It's the first time I've visited this group, but I've noticed that
'Liz' isn't very popular here. Can anyone tell me why ?
Nigel
gillian.hardy
Gillian studied the mystic runes and found that Graham Allsopp said:
: mike.p...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman) wrote:
: >the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
: I don't know about the worst ever - but it was pretty dire.
It wasn't the worst ever - at least something happened, however badly. But
it wasn't the Corrie we know and love.
: >90% of the show was taken up by the Fraser/Liz/Fiona/Thingy storyline.
: This storyline is now about as rivetting as last year's gnome storyline.
Do we care about Fraser and Liz? Do we care if Steve gets beaten up (or
worse) in prison if Fraser says so? NO WE DON'T!
: All this is puzzling as Daran Little says:
: "X is for...X rated scenes.
: The producers, writers and actors of Coronation Street are proud to say
: that in the thirty-five year history of the programme there have never been
: any X-rated scenes. Coronation Street was created as a family drama and
: will always be viewed as such."
But didn't 'Emmerdale Farm' used to be a nice little cosy tale about farm
folk in Yorkshire? I do get the feeling that Granada want to spruce up
Coronation Street the way YTV changed Emmerdale Farm. Out with the old
faces, in with the new, sensational and controversial storylines. All of
which has been hugely popular. Sure they lost a lot of the older viewers
but gained a whole new generation of Emmerdale fans and added a good
couple of million on the ratings. Nor did I see any explosion when the
plane crashed, which I should have... bah.
: They introduced a whole load of new characters, got rid of the old faces
See above. Emmerdale did this and it didn't do it any harm (I'd
personally rather have the old faces - it isn't the same without Joe and
Annie and the like in it).
I'm not saying I'd like to see Corrie go the same way as Emmerdale (I was
never a big fan) but, let's face it, introducing new, young characters and
sprucing up the storylines has worked wonders for the ratings. Emmerdale
is now more popular than ever. I bet it is based on this success that
Granada and the Corrie bosses are changing things.
: The only saving grace for this whole fiasco is if Liz 's world falls apart
: in the next few months, and she ends up where she is currently heading - a
: 'working girl' on the street.
Well I did comment about the 'Band Of Gold' shots on Wednesday, didn't I?
I hope so too. Either that or she gets together with Dreary.
: However, my worst criticism must go on Joyce's exit. It smacked on a
: hastily written scene, dreamed up on a Friday afternoon. It lasted all of
: 90 seconds and had all the drama of drying paint.
It seemed to be a bit of a rush job to me too. Though was quite well done
it was just unspectacular.
: Get rid of Liz McD - she's as universally hated as Don Brennan now (and see
: above about the nature of her departure).
I think the whole of the McDonald clan are pretty redundant these days.
Andy doesn't do much, Jim has calmed down and there's only so many times
he can go off the rails, Steve is inside and we don't care. The Claytons
ran out of steam, the McDonalds are heading the same way.
: Axe the fourth episode. It's unpopular with everyone except the Granada
: board, and it's seriously damaging CS's production values. It hasn't even
: worked in its stated aim of creating anchor programming for the C3 network.
Yup. I still can't get used to the Sunday episode. Thr standard of
writing and acting has gone downhill since it started. The only problem
is, won't Granada be admitting defeat if they scrap the Sunday episode,
thus adding further fuel to the 'ailing soap' stories? I can't see them
dropping it just yet for precisely that reason.
Gillian, who was happy to see Anne get her comeuppance last night
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Christine Dewdney
mike.p...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman) wrote:
I have a six year old who loves the show) LIAM
Six you say ,Seven on Monday I believe,
Thomas Gordon Richardson
On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 08:34:22 GMT, mike.p...@dial.pipex.com (Mike
Plowman) wrote:
>
>Fri 21.02.97 will go down in Coronation St history as, without a
>doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
>
>90% of the show was taken up by the Fraser/Liz/Fiona/Thingy storyline.
>As if that wasn't bad enough, we are treated to La Mouton stripping
>off for Fraser in the back of the winebar!
>
>They kill of a character who a)at least had potential in the Corrie
>tradition of strong women and b)can act.
>
>The entire half an hour was a waste of time and I'm sure you all know
>how much it saddens me to say that It was made to appear all the
>worse, I suspect, in comparison to Emmerdale the night before.
>
>The only tiny bright spot was when La Mouton ran into what appeared to
>be Orinoco Womble while out shopping.
>
>Did anyone else feel the same about this episode?
>Is anyone actually enjoying the Liz/Fraser thing?
>
>Mike Plowman
>
>"Hey we all like to party right? Absolutely,
>but you'd have to be an idiot to say 'I want
>to enter the nightmare of cake' " - Bruno Brooks
In one word NO
Gordon
Buzzboy
> Each exit should be as big and dramatic as Alan Bradley's.
>
>Get rid of Liz McD - she's as universally hated as Don Brennan now (and see
>above about the nature of her departure).
>
Oh, please, let it be an electrical curling iron dropped into her
bubblebath. "Nuhrrrr!!!"....ZAP.
Sex _and_ violence for them as likes it.
Buzzboy
Donald Adaway
mike.p...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman) writes:
> Fri 21.02.97 will go down in Coronation St history as, without a
> doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
> Did anyone else feel the same about this episode?
> Is anyone actually enjoying the Liz/Fraser thing?
> Mike Plowman
I agree, but I think the problem is that they are expecting us to be
interested in the possible fate of a character who has lost all
credibility. I have little interest in what she does and what happens
to her, and I suspect many others feel the same.
Some people seem to feel the same about Don Brennan but there I
disagree. He may be embittered, irritating, annoying and
objectionable but he is, IMHO, a perfectly believable character.
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Don <don.a...@zetnet.co.uk>
Kathy Brown
In article: <G.Allsopp-ya024080...@news.shef.ac.uk> G.Al...@Sheffield.ac.uk (Graham
> It certainly wasn't X-rated, but it wasn't exactly raunchy either. The bed
> scene just had La Mouton sprawled on it, and the 'shower scene' was a shot
> of a glass wall. Not exactly exciting drama.
But who says these were the scenes in question? There could be more to
follow.
Kathy
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Mike Chapman
Kite wrote:
> we are treated to La Mouton stripping
> >> off for Fraser in the back of the winebar!
Cant wait!
Mike \PE
gillian.hardy
Gillian studied the mystic runes and found that JarJeff said:
: P.S thanks for the warnings about the upcoming nude scenes. I think I'll
: skip those episodes
You'll be lucky. We had another bare shoulders shot last night of Liz in
bed, plus tongue-sesh outside t'Rovers. Quite revolting.
Gillian
Graham Allsopp
In article <5esg62$o...@orac.sunderland.ac.uk>, aa1...@zen.sunderland.ac.uk
(gillian.hardy) wrote:
>But didn't 'Emmerdale Farm' used to be a nice little cosy tale about farm
>folk in Yorkshire? I do get the feeling that Granada want to spruce up
>Coronation Street the way YTV changed Emmerdale Farm. Out with the old
>faces, in with the new, sensational and controversial storylines. All of
>which has been hugely popular. Sure they lost a lot of the older viewers
>but gained a whole new generation of Emmerdale fans and added a good
>couple of million on the ratings. Nor did I see any explosion when the
>plane crashed, which I should have... bah.
>...Emmerdale did this and it didn't do it any harm (I'd
>personally rather have the old faces - it isn't the same without Joe and
>Annie and the like in it).
>I'm not saying I'd like to see Corrie go the same way as Emmerdale (I was
>never a big fan) but, let's face it, introducing new, young characters and
>sprucing up the storylines has worked wonders for the ratings. Emmerdale
>is now more popular than ever. I bet it is based on this success that
>Granada and the Corrie bosses are changing things.
Now, I'm no Emmerdale expert, and only dip in occasionally, but think
you've got it wrong.
Emmerdale lost it's "Farm" under Phil Redmond (Grange Hill, Brookie etc)
who was the first producer to come along and try and radically change any
UK soap - and failed miserably.
I did watch Emmerdale during his reign (I remember the plane crash and an
abortive raid on the Post Office). It was dire !! Redmond may have worked
his magic on Merseyside, but it failed miserably in the Dales. I'm pretty
sure that viewing figures plumetted during this time.
Emmerdale's success lies firmly at the feet of Mervyn Watson, who, by no
coincidence, had two spells as producer of The Street - 1982-85 and 88-91.
Looking at current episodes of Emmerdale, it's all too clear where it's
success has come from - but you can't blame YTV for that. They've got it
right where Granada has got it so wrong.
The current attraction (and success) of Emmerdale isn't down to dramatic,
sensational, controversial storylines (though I admit the lesbian wedding
did help attract people) or even the injection of Spice Girls lookalikes*.
It's that familiar combination of good acting, good storylines, characters
you can relate to, and above all humour, that characterised Coronation
Street in the "good old days". Sensational storylines may get people to
tune in once, but it doesn't hold viewers long-term. Emmerdale's trying
very hard to go back to being "a nice little cosy tale about farm folk (or
at least village folk) in Yorkshire"
If Granada took a little more time to examine Emmerdale's success, and
looked a little less at EastEnders, they may find the answers to their
current situation.
Graham
* Am I the only one who can sit through a whole episode of Quayside?
Terrible show, fantastic young women...
----------------------------------------------------
"The trouble is there's no omnibus edition except in the Granada region -
so that's a new policy for a Labour government."
Tony Blair, Coronation Street, 30 August 1996
Who's Who on The Street website: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~gg1jga/street/
Likely dates for UK General election:
12 March - writ issued for 10 April election; 8 April (1 May);
Mark Sacre
On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 08:34:22 GMT, mike.p...@dial.pipex.com (Mike Plowman) wrote:
>
>Fri 21.02.97 will go down in Coronation St history as, without a
>doubt. the worst episode in it's 36 year history.
I am not sure about that even though it was pretty dire. The plot seems
to be somthing that would be more at home in (grimace) Eastenders.
..Mark.
Helen Johns
In article <G.Allsopp-ya024080...@news.shef.ac.uk>,
G.Al...@Sheffield.ac.uk (Graham Allsopp) wrote:
> Graham's tips for The Street
> [hopefully this will get as far as Brian Park - if not higher]
>
<snip carefully constructed critique>
Hear, hear Graham. I hope the powers that be do lurk on the group, and
read constructive and informed advice like this. You have eloquently
articulated our unease at the current state of things, and come up with
some concrete suggestions.
> Use the Granada/LWT muscle to force a 90-minute networked omnibus on Sunday
> afternoon. G/LWT is the leading group in C3 programming, and should be
> prepared to use its weight. A CS omnibus straight after a Grand Prix will
> be as formidable anchor programming as the ITV netowrk will be able to
> muster.
>
I wouldn't get _anything_ done on a Sunday afternoon!
> </soapbox>
>
> Graham
Don't apologise for feeling passionately and speaking out over it. They
need to know that it is important to us fans, and that we will moan if
standards slip.
Conversely, we will , and do, always give credit where it is deserved.
Keep up the good work.
Helen
--
Helen Johns
Gray Laboratory Cancer Research Trust
Sylvia Thompson
Michel Vanderbeke
> You'll be lucky. We had another bare shoulders shot last night of Liz in
> bed, plus tongue-sesh outside t'Rovers. Quite revolting.
I don't quite understand what's revolting about kissing or bare shoulders?
Don't your cross from time to time some kissing or bare shoulders in real
live? So why ban them from a soap?
I don't think there is any bad taste involved in the scenes we've seen so
far.
So please explain to me why you don't approve of these scenes?
Greetings from Brugge (Bruges - Belgium),
Michel
Mike Plowman
On 7 Mar 97 15:16:28 GMT, "Michel Vanderbeke" <mvand...@unicall.be>
wrote:
Greetings from the UK,
Ermm, I think you'll find that ratucs has no problem with scenes of
kissing 'or' bare shoulders,or indeed, with scenes of wanton
sado-masochism if push comes to shove, but does have a problem with
scnes of such a nature which feature hideous old crone Mrs Mutton.
The general concensus of the male folk of ratucs is that the sight of
her visage bring on the collywobbles even quicker than a bellyful of
stale beer.
The very least Brian 'I won;t be changing anything apart from
Coronation St' Parks could do is have Simon Bates do a warning trailer
at the beginning of such episodes! :-)
How far behind us are you in Belguim?
-
Mike Plowman
There was life before Coronation Street
but it didn't amount to much.
Russell Harty
Buzzboy
>Greetings from the UK,
>Ermm, I think you'll find that ratucs has no problem with scenes of wanton
>sado-masochism if push comes to shove......
Perhaps a scene with Roy producing a genuinely gourmet meal from
nothing but mutton, deep-fat scratchings and parsley, while Gail looks
on in agony?