OLTL: Rapist - SPOILER!!
Mark Frein
now...I am going to discuss this rapist storyline.
Hope that was good enough. OK!
On the 11/4 episode, they showed the rapist in the hotel room, circling
Todd's name in the news clippings like a crazy person. AND the rapist
used his LEFT HAND!
Now, do you all remember that Cyrano storyline with Powell? Wasn't he
scribling those love poems with his *left hand*?? (Left handed people
being a minority, I notice them on TV more often and I am SURE that I
noticed that Powell was LEFT HANDED).
It's got to be Powell, and they are justifying it by having him go insane
and seeking wacked out sicko revenge. Making him as bad or maybe worse
than Todd! :)
Have to say I am pleased with this twist in this storyline. I was sooooo
sick of the "redemed" Powell. Anyone else?
Nicole :)
Stephanie Bragg
In article <39ebhq$3...@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>,
Mark Frein <mfr...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
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>On the 11/4 episode, they showed the rapist in the hotel room, circling
>Todd's name in the news clippings like a crazy person. AND the rapist
>used his LEFT HAND!
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>It's got to be Powell, and they are justifying it by having him go insane
>and seeking wacked out sicko revenge. Making him as bad or maybe worse
>than Todd! :)
>
>Nicole :)
Hiya, Nicole. I'm convinced the rapist is Brent. The other day while
Tod was in jail and talking to his lawyer, he said something that he
saw three people the day of Rebecca's attempted rape: Marty, Blair,
and Brent. I forgot the complete sentence, but I just think it's
ironic that he mentioned Brent's name..
Is Brent left-handed?
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Aileen Marie Hanlon
wrote:
> It's got to be Powell, and they are justifying it by having him go insane
> and seeking wacked out sicko revenge. Making him as bad or maybe worse
> than Todd! :)
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> Have to say I am pleased with this twist in this storyline. I was sooooo
> sick of the "redemed" Powell. Anyone else?
Absolutely. Maybe the rapist is Brent, but I don't really see a motive.
Powell has motive, opportunity, and I really don't think he was ever
playing with a full deck. Since Becky (who I abhor, by the way) dumped him
and never slept with him, I'm sure he's really pissed. In fact, he might
even be perversely jealous of the fact that Rebecca fell for a convicted
rapist/ all around bad boy, and is retaliating. What better way to get
back at Todd, Rebecca, and the rest of the world than by convincing
everyone that Todd is the rapist?
God, I hope it's Powell. He was totally lame as the redeemed rapist, and I
never fully understood how the rest of Llanview was so forgiving of him.
After all, he did rape Marty, and I fear that Rebecca and a lot of folks in
Llanview tend to forget that.
And, if he was indeed left handed, I'm psyched.
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-Willy Wonka
Terry Chambers
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>On the 11/4 episode, they showed the rapist in the hotel room, circling
>Todd's name in the news clippings like a crazy person. AND the rapist
>used his LEFT HAND!
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>and seeking wacked out sicko revenge. Making him as bad or maybe worse
>than Todd! :)
>Have to say I am pleased with this twist in this storyline. I was sooooo
>sick of the "redemed" Powell. Anyone else?
If it is Powell ... that would be fantastic! Partly because I hate
Powell and partly because it would be a great twist since I have been
sure it would be Brent. But if it isn't Brent ... he must somehow be
involved. The man is still hanging around lurking ... but not doing a
damn thing!
Terry
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Renee M Fishman
: In article <39ebhq$3...@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, mfr...@unixg.ubc.ca (Mark Frein)
: wrote:
: > It's got to be Powell, and they are justifying it by having him go insane
: > and seeking wacked out sicko revenge. Making him as bad or maybe worse
: > than Todd! :)
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: > Have to say I am pleased with this twist in this storyline. I was sooooo
: > sick of the "redemed" Powell. Anyone else?
I"m sorry, but I just don't think that Powell is the rapist. The
storyline might end up proving me wrong, but I remember the scene where
Todd pulled the ski mask off of the rapist, and we saw his hair. It was
black (which could be anyones, yes, even Powell) and it was longish. Not
as long as Todd's but longer then Powell's preppie boy cut. I'm going
with Brent on this one.
I was disappointed that they made Powell into a redeemable character, but
at the same time, remember that when Powell raped Marty he did it because
Todd and Zach pressured him into it. Not that that justifies it -
because I feel strongly that NOTHING justifies a rape, but let's put this
into perspective. Powell was very susceptible to the pressure of Todd and
Zach (who, incidentally has no mind of his own, but that's another
post). Before the rape Powell was basically a nice, sensitive guy, and
we saw that he actually had remorse for what he did, unlike the others
(that was part of how he was redeemed.) So I just find it very unlikely
that after all he's been through Powell would rape 2 women and attempt to
rape Rebecca. He wouldn't attempt to rape Rebecca for the same reason I
believe Todd wouldn't (and I pretty much think that mostpeople,
regardless of feelings for Todd, think that he wouldn't hurt Rebecca),
that is because he loves her.
As much as I didn't like the "Powell is redeemed" story, I'd be even more
upset if they made him the rapist. I just don't thinkk it fits with his
character. Anyway, that's just MHO.
Back to catching up on a week's worth of posts while I sit wioth 3
chapters of STAT homework in front of me, but given the choice, what
would you all rather be doing?
Rick Davis
> post). Before the rape Powell was basically a nice, sensitive guy, and
> we saw that he actually had remorse for what he did, unlike the others
And before John Wayne Gacy killed 50+ people he was a really,
really sweet and caring individual ...
And before Wayne Williams killed all those Atlanta kids he was
always kind to animals ...
Give me a break!
(you're kidding, right???)
Ricki
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Sabata
> Before the rape Powell was basically a nice, sensitive guy, and
>we saw that he actually had remorse for what he did, unlike the others
>(that was part of how he was redeemed.) So I just find it very unlikely
>that after all he's been through Powell would rape 2 women and attempt to
>rape Rebecca. He wouldn't attempt to rape Rebecca for the same reason I
>believe Todd wouldn't (and I pretty much think that mostpeople,
>regardless of feelings for Todd, think that he wouldn't hurt Rebecca),
>that is because he loves her.
>Renee
>rfis...@mail.sas.upenn.edu
Of course he wouldn't rape Rebecca, but that shouldn't stop him from wanting
to frame Todd. Think about it.
Ralf
Patricia Peterson
In article <rps8.1139...@psu.edu>, Sabata (rp...@psu.edu) writes:
>In article <39pkfb$e...@netnews.upenn.edu> rfis...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Renee M Fishman) writes:
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>> Before the rape Powell was basically a nice, sensitive guy, and
>>we saw that he actually had remorse for what he did, unlike the others
>>(that was part of how he was redeemed.) So I just find it very unlikely
>>that after all he's been through Powell would rape 2 women and attempt to
>>rape Rebecca. He wouldn't attempt to rape Rebecca for the same reason I
>>believe Todd wouldn't (and I pretty much think that mostpeople,
>>regardless of feelings for Todd, think that he wouldn't hurt Rebecca),
>>that is because he loves her.
>
but didn't powell kind of go off the deep end when he was attending those rape
session with Todd. I remember he was awfully agry. And didn't he break up with
rebecca when he found out that she had kissed Todd. I think it makes sense that
the rapist could be Powell.
Patricia
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Renee M Fishman
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: but didn't powell kind of go off the deep end when he was attending those rape
: session with Todd. I remember he was awfully agry. And didn't he break up with
: rebecca when he found out that she had kissed Todd. I think it makes sense that
: the rapist could be Powell.
: Patricia
If you remember my original point, when we saw the back of the apist when
he fought with Todd, he had longish hair. Now, powell was just on
yesterday with Rebecca, and he still has that short crew cut. So unless
he was wearing a wig (highly unlikely), it is highly unlikely that he's
the rapist. Anyway, if you think aabout it, ^^^^^^^^ it is totally out
of character. I wasn't trrying to justify Powell in any way, but I just
don't think he's the rapist.
Renee
rfis...@mail.sas.upenn.edu
CHYAH BURGHARD
to count Luna's brother among my suspects, but at the time Todd was
engaged in a battle with the rapist, over the knife, Luna's brother was
with Marty taking a walk. I had counted him among the suspects simply
because we know their is a story hiding in his past.
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DMF...@prodigy.com 24 hrs
Sage Lunsford
>God, I hope it's Powell. He was totally lame as the redeemed rapist, and I
>never fully understood how the rest of Llanview was so forgiving of him.
>After all, he did rape Marty, and I fear that Rebecca and a lot of folks in
>Llanview tend to forget that.
Powell would be a great twist. Unfortunately, all soaps are forgiving
towards all rapists - look at Luke on General Hospital, he *married* the
women he raped, and the wedding got the highest ratings of any soap ever!
I think that the town forgave Powell because of the (say this in the
appropriately
whiney voice, now) "Todd MAAAAAAAADDDEEEEE me do it" defense. *sigh*
--Sage
Sage Lunsford
>Todd pulled the ski mask off of the rapist, and we saw his hair. It was
>black (which could be anyones, yes, even Powell) and it was longish. Not
times) Ray, the rape counselor, has longish black hair as well.
>Todd and Zach pressured him into it. Not that that justifies it -
>because I feel strongly that NOTHING justifies a rape, but let's put this
>into perspective. Powell was very susceptible to the pressure of Todd and
>Zach (who, incidentally has no mind of his own, but that's another
>post). Before the rape Powell was basically a nice, sensitive guy, and
storyline has bothered me so much. Everyone has been pressured to
do something sometime in their life, but if it isn't in them to do it,
they just *won't do it*.
Sage Lunsford
>I guess I have to keep saying "TOS" (They are only shows"), and
>real life people react differently in situations than do soap
>people.
Of course I agree with you, but I also think (very sadly) that there
are a lot of people in America who look to television for cues on
how to act in certain situations, and I just think they could be
handling this entire story line more responsibly.
>As far as Powell, Icould never forgive the fictional character
>powell because frankly, his stupid whining attitude pissed me off.
>No one made him do anything. Those flashback scenes reinforced
>how ACTIVE a participant he was.. while Todd held down a wildly
Exactly, this is what I'm talking about. Giving the impression,
however subtle, that if your friends should encourage you to do
something like this and you do it, somehow you are absolved of all
blame.
>Jack the rapist from DOOL became a favorite character of mine,
>though never did I want to see him end up happily involved
>with this victim.
This is what's so scary to me - that the rapist characters on soap
operas almost inevitably become romantic heros, and more often than
not end up huge ratings boosters and stay on for years. The character
oops - the actor, I mean, who plays Todd has said himself that it's downright
*CREEPY* how many fan letters he's gotten from fans all over the US.
I just think that glorifying rape is something that the soaps have gotten
all too good at. I thought this story line would be different, but...
-Sage
Leela Keshavan
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>Although I'm still convinced that it's Ray, the rape counselor, I do agree --
>Powell would be a great twist. Unfortunately, all soaps are forgiving
>towards all rapists - look at Luke on General Hospital, he *married* the
>women he raped, and the wedding got the highest ratings of any soap ever!
>I think that the town forgave Powell because of the (say this in the
>appropriately
>whiney voice, now) "Todd MAAAAAAAADDDEEEEE me do it" defense. *sigh*
I guess I have to keep saying "TOS" (They are only shows"), and
real life people react differently in situations than do soap
people.
Jack the rapist from DOOL became a favorite character of mine,
though never did I want to see him end up happily involved
with this victim.
As far as Powell, Icould never forgive the fictional character
powell because frankly, his stupid whining attitude pissed me off.
No one made him do anything. Those flashback scenes reinforced
how ACTIVE a participant he was.. while Todd held down a wildly
struggling woman , he shoved a sweatband in her mouth.
He rapes the woman, hides the evidence, and then calls her
names and villifies her in court.
Hmmmmm. And Todd made him do it.
Whats worse is the Marty/Powell Scenes. They are insulting.
I could never be so civil to someone who did all that to me.
Leela
Ruth Toby Kleinbaum
Sage Lunsford <luns...@delphi.com> wrote:
>Renee M Fishman <rfis...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> writes:
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>>Todd pulled the ski mask off of the rapist, and we saw his hair. It was
>>black (which could be anyones, yes, even Powell) and it was longish. Not
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>Not to sound like a broken record, but... (I've said this quite a few
>times) Ray, the rape counselor, has longish black hair as well.
>
Ray the Awesome One into the picture, I've got to correct it. The rapist's
hair was *not* longish. If you've still got it on tape like I do, look
at it again. When you do, you will see that both Brent's and Ray's hair
are *much* too long for it to be the same guy. Their hair covers the back
of their necks, while this guy's neck is in full view. It is in fact exactly
like Powell's hair, just very mussed up. Now I actually think it's
irrelevant how long the guy's hair was, because I think they had a double
shoot those scenes with Todd in the parking lot. This is just speculation, but
I don't think they had Sean M. take over the role until that first motel room
scene, because Sean was in the dark about who the rapist was just like
everyone else until pretty recently.
Toby
Ted Harris
Oh please let Powell be the rapist!Oh please let Powell be the rapist!Oh please let Powell be the rapist!Oh please let Powell be the rapist!Oh please let Powell be the rapist!Oh please let Powell be the rapist!Oh please let Powell be the rapist!Oh please let Powell be the rapist!Oh please let Powell be the rapist!Oh please let Powell be the rapist!
Or better yet. How about whathisname? RAY! That's it.. Ray the counselor!
Ruth Toby Kleinbaum
Sage Lunsford <luns...@delphi.com> wrote:
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>This is what's so scary to me - that the rapist characters on soap
>operas almost inevitably become romantic heros, and more often than
>not end up huge ratings boosters and stay on for years. The character
>oops - the actor, I mean, who plays Todd has said himself that it's downright
>*CREEPY* how many fan letters he's gotten from fans all over the US.
>I just think that glorifying rape is something that the soaps have gotten
>all too good at. I thought this story line would be different, but...
>
rape, in fact it has done quite the opposite. Marty's rape was extremely
well done, the violence of rape and the damage and anguish it causes
were very realistically and sensitively portrayed. Yes Todd was let out of
prison, yes he has become a hero of sorts, but the show has never let us
forget what he did to Marty, never excused his behavior, never acted like it
was right or justified, nor did they make his pardon seem like it was
justified. These events *happened*, because they wanted to keep a
magnificent actor on the show, but they have never glossed over the
horrible things he has done. Some people have also been bothered by
how desensitizing the recent series of rapes have been. I agree. But
the fact that the serial rapist at large has turned out to be Powell,
who previously had seemed to be a bonifide "redeemed" rapist, shows
that they did not gloss over Powell's acts with the "he made me do it"
justification either. OLTL has dealt with the rape issue very commendably
for the most part, IMO. Though I've certainly had enough of it at this
point and hope we're about to move past it for good now.
Toby
Rick Davis
> Sage Lunsford <luns...@delphi.com> wrote:
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> >not end up huge ratings boosters and stay on for years. The character
> >oops - the actor, I mean, who plays Todd has said himself that it's downright
> >*CREEPY* how many fan letters he's gotten from fans all over the US.
Sage: Why is it 'creepy' for a man who has received the best
young actor award to receive so many fan letters? Thank god
you're not on the voting committee; you obviously cannot
separate RL for SL ...
Ricki
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