Emmanuelle series are eroticas, not porns.
Emmanuelle is no more of a porn than Basic Instinct or Showgirls was.
Yes, she was. She was also in "Pump Friction" and "Riding Mrs. Daisy".
Michael
i know i will likely catch a lot of flack from this post, but it's just my
own opinion....porn stars should stay in porn flicks, not go on to work in
the same place as abyy or sean d. i know that i wouldn't want my kid
working side by side with a person who has such low self esteem.
please dont bash me too much, i just wanted to express my opinion......:)
aw shucks!
Are you making a distinction about the series, or the series of
movies?
| Emmanuelle is no more of a porn than Basic Instinct or Showgirls was.
And, those weren't soft-porn?
I would have thought that most people would agree that both the movies
and the series were soft-porn. Maybe the questions here is just
syntax.
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Anjulie
I don't really know what difference it should make. Of course, I felt
that way about Jeff Griggs, too. And, I don't think that people
should judge anyone in this way. I suppose you think it's awful that
Deidre Hall did nude still shots that are still around when she was
younger & starving, etc., too, huh?
| i know i will likely catch a lot of flack from this post, but it's just my
| own opinion....porn stars should stay in porn flicks, not go on to work in
| the same place as abyy or sean d. i know that i wouldn't want my kid
| working side by side with a person who has such low self esteem.
Yep, sounds great. Sounds just like ghettoizing people to me.
| please dont bash me too much, i just wanted to express my opinion......:)
Understood. I don't want to be judging you either. I hate that there
is a casting couch and that people get into doing nudity and/or porn
(a range from tasteful nude stills to the worst of hard core porn)
when it's not really from an informed choice or wish to do so, but I
also wish there were more *good* erotic pieces that were really
artisitc. As long as we all ghettoize all of it and all of those
people, there won't be.
As far as I'm concerned, just me, ya know, the only thing the
soft-core porn that Krista Allen has to do with DOOL is whether she is
good enough at her craft to act in a soap style here instead of in a
pouty, heavy-breather instead. Even before I knew she had made the
movies she has, which she spoke about herself in an unashamed fashion
in an interview, BTW, I thought she was doing an acting style one
would have to call "slut", so I don't like that. And, her voice, and
breathiness still makes me nuts. People keep saying how beautiful she
is but all I see is someone who manages to be in very absurd
provocative positions often. Groan. I used to love Billie!
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So, what, exactly, defines a "real" show? Performers perform, it gets
filmed, they get paid, there's a script, cameras, directors, music,
etc. How does porn not qualify as "real"? Because of the content?
Well, I personally don't like the violent content of slasher flicks,
and don't consider them "real" shows, so I don't think that
anyone who would sell themselves in a slasher flick that promotes
violence should be allowed on a "real" show.
See how silly that sounds?
>> message that you can get ahead by selling yourself short in the beginning.
Actors "sell themselves short" as actors all the time by working as waiters,
salespersons, etc. Is this somehow less objectionable than using
their acting talents in porn? Is porn somehow inherently "bad"? Why?
Because sex is involved? There's this perception rampant that selling
sex is an inherently bad thing, but I wonder where this perception began?
There was a time when, say, prostitution was an honourable trade.
When and why did this change? Porn is not even illegal, under most
circumstances (as long as a child is not involved, and the viewer
is over 18), so why is it somehow, if I get your drift right, degrading?
>> lack of ability. now, i think less of her, but this time as a person.
What allows you to sit judgement over her as a person? Do you even
know her as a person?
>> i know i will likely catch a lot of flack from this post, but it's just my
I suspect I'll catch a lot more for my reply, but we're both entitled
to our oppinions.
>> the same place as abyy or sean d. i know that i wouldn't want my kid
>> working side by side with a person who has such low self esteem.
What do you know of her self-esteem? And why is it important to
protect children from sex? I'll agree that there are some things it
requires maturity to process (including graphic sexual images and
content), but I'm damned if I understand how we, as a society, can
condone the amount of violence a child is exposed to, and the
sale of toy implements of violence, and pitch a moral fit because
someone used to be a porn star and is now working with child
actors (I'm not saying the original poster condones violence or
violent toys, which is why I said "society" above).
And I for sure don't understand how anyone can say that someone who has
performed in porn somehow doesn't deserve to be in a "real" show. Not
that I agree in the slightest that DOOL is a "real" show (I've not seen
much porn, but I've seen better acted, scripted and presented porn
than most of DOOL these days)(maybe I've just been lucky).
>> please dont bash me too much, i just wanted to express my opinion......:)
I respect your opinion, but I really don't understand it. Hopefully,
this didn't come off as a "bash", just a disagreement.
TTFN,
Garlic
(might have done porn, once upon a time, had the opportunity arisen)
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>
>Actors "sell themselves short" as actors all the time by working as waiters,
>salespersons, etc. Is this somehow less objectionable than using
>their acting talents in porn? Is porn somehow inherently "bad"? Why?
>Because sex is involved? There's this perception rampant that selling
>sex is an inherently bad thing, but I wonder where this perception began?
I want to respond to this, but i'm not sure what to say, really...so i'll
leave it until a better time.
>
>What allows you to sit judgement over her as a person? Do you even
>know her as a person?
>I suspect I'll catch a lot more for my reply, but we're both entitled
>to our oppinions.
Actually I agree with you on this one Garlic. We should'nt hold it
against her now that she's ready to move on with her life. People make
mistakes. Krista certainly seems to have *some* regret over them.
What i'd like to add to this though, is what I perceive to be Dorkday's
hypocrisy. I personally believe the rumor that Kristian Alfonso had the
guy that played Jude St.Clair kicked off the show because he did gay
porn. Assuming that's the case, why go out and hire a woman who's done
soft core porn? There's a double standard and I realize that hardcore is
more explicit than "soft porn', but if transmittable disease were a
concern(and that seemed to be the underlying implication of that old
rumor about Alfonso) then why should Allen be brought on the show? I'm
sure she had sex with many of the guys she did it with in that film?
I'm damned if I understand how we, as a society, can
>condone the amount of violence a child is exposed to, and the
>sale of toy implements of violence, and pitch a moral fit because
>someone used to be a porn star
Amen.
>TTFN,
>Garlic
>(might have done porn, once upon a time, had the opportunity arisen)
That was a little more than we needed to know.
Michael
> Actually I agree with you on this one Garlic. We should'nt hold it
> against her now that she's ready to move on with her life. People make
> mistakes. Krista certainly seems to have *some* regret over them.
>
> What i'd like to add to this though, is what I perceive to be Dorkday's
> hypocrisy. I personally believe the rumor that Kristian Alfonso had the
> guy that played Jude St.Clair kicked off the show because he did gay
> porn. Assuming that's the case, why go out and hire a woman who's done
> soft core porn? There's a double standard and I realize that hardcore is
> more explicit than "soft porn', but if transmittable disease were a
> concern(and that seemed to be the underlying implication of that old
> rumor about Alfonso) then why should Allen be brought on the show? I'm
> sure she had sex with many of the guys she did it with in that film?
Krista Allen never did porns. All she did was to star in Emmanuelle
series,
which is an erotica, not a porn.
You've missed the point of the post. She *COULD'VE* had sex while making
this erotica. Heck, even Rob Lowe did several women on film, on the set
while making his movies. Rob would ask several of his female costars if
he could, um, put it in. Many said yes. Meg Tilly(Masquerade) said no.
Cynthia Gibbs(YoungBlood) and Demi Moore(About Last Night) said yes. So,
when you see those movies, you'll know that Rob was actually having sex,
even if it was'nt right up there close and explicit.
POINT: Even erotica stars have sex while filming and are more susecptible
to disease.
Michael
>
> You've missed the point of the post. She *COULD'VE* had sex while making
> this erotica.
You don't know that.
> Heck, even Rob Lowe did several women on film, on the set
> while making his movies. Rob would ask several of his female costars if
> he could, um, put it in. Many said yes. Meg Tilly(Masquerade) said no.
> Cynthia Gibbs(YoungBlood) and Demi Moore(About Last Night) said yes.
And Bruce Willis did not kill Rob Lowe? Since Rob Lowe is still
alive,
I doubt your story.
And since you don't have a valid email address, then I suppose you don't
exist, huh? For that I doubt your story.
Michael
how do you know that?
I read an article about Rob Lowe. It was from a respected magazine that
was covering the highs, and lows of Rob's career.
Think about it. A man and a woman both butt nekkid in a film that's
considered soft core....and you think they WON'T have sex? Krista Allen
more than likely did one or two of those guys.
Michael
Bruce Willis would not have killed Rob Lowe because Demi Moore was
engaged to Emilio Estevez at the time (one of Rob's best friends).
Emilio & Demi broke up after that movie because she had sex with Rob.
(I'm a little embarrassed that I know so much about this, but I was into
the Brat Packers at that fragile time in my life....)
Cici
: I read an article about Rob Lowe. It was from a respected magazine that
: was covering the highs, and lows of Rob's career.
how respected a magazine could it be if it delved into trash like that?
It was Rob discussing his substance abuse, his sexual
addictions,etc...right about the time he looked to be making a
comeback(May 1994-The Stand) His homemade film with that 17 year old girl
was the first film to put Atlanta(my town) back on the map since Gone
With The Wind. He had problems. He did like many celebrities do: went
candid.
Anymore questions?
Michael
Wow, how do you find out this kind of info that Demi Moore and Rob Lowe
had sex? I guess I have to go back and watch that movie with a whole
new outlook. Gee.
Suro
: Anymore questions?
yes. how respected a magazine could it be if they would publish something
that could possibly be slanderous?
Ummm, like this has been a really life enrichening experience, you know,
just being able to talk to you. I'll be sure to tell my great
grandchildren about the wonderful experience I had with,uh, teresa, and
how she just reached out and touched my heart and changed my life with
her insightful and thought provoking questions and posts. I am, like, so
sure the Smithsonian would love to know about your incredible sense of
writing, that i am going to email them your, uh, most wonderful post
here,because i am sure that once they see the incredible thought you put
into your posts, they will, uh, immediately want to get rid of the Bill
of Rights they have encased, burn it, and replace it with your
heartwarming posts.
Speaking with you teresa, has instilled in me an immediate desire to run
out, get married and make about 12 children, so that I can pass down to
them my, uh,legacy of having talked to you, and I will always save your
posts, so that my children and grandchildren will always be able to read
what you said, discuss it among themselves, and try to figure out,um, if
you knew just what in the hell you thought you were talking about. Until
then: POOF! Be gone,okay?!
Michael
As for Krista, she "could" have done just about anything, but that doesn't
mean she did. Speculating about what someone might have done is really a
waste of time. If there is a point to this thread, it's beyond me.
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>As for Krista, she "could" have done just about anything, but that doesn't
>mean she did. Speculating about what someone might have done is really a
>waste of time. If there is a point to this thread, it's beyond me.
*My* point was that it was horribly unfair to judge an actress, or a
particularly, a person, based on prior career choices. I questioned
a poster commenting they felt it "inappropriate" that an actress that
had done "porn" should be working with child actors, and I expressed
myself on this issue, among others.
I don't care if Krista (or Rob) had sex, did porn or played backgammon
with the grips, my issues had to do with the attitude some have with
sex, and the sex industry, related to the original posters comments
regarding Krista's past.
None of the replies have quoted me (except, of course, Michael), either.
I think the topic I was pursuing was interesting and of potential
value, but the "did he/she or didn't he/she" is kinda meaningless.
TTFN,
Garlic
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> *My* point was that it was horribly unfair to judge an actress, or a
> particularly, a person, based on prior career choices. I questioned
> a poster commenting they felt it "inappropriate" that an actress that
> had done "porn" should be working with child actors, and I expressed
> myself on this issue, among others.
I really agree with you on this 100%. OK so maybe she was in soft-porn.
A-that doesn't make her a bad seed
B-that doesn't make her harmful to children (like she's going to say to
them "when you grow up, you should do some porn flicks...its been great").
The child actors wouldn't have a clue if she's been in porn. She doesn't
even have very many scenes with kids anyway.
C-let's face it, MANY female actors have done the same thing to get started
in this business. Some actresses are still doing it (i.e. demi moore) OK so
it wasn't porn but it does make a point.
Just my $.02
Sara
And I think I agreed with you almost 100%. A landmark!!! And you did'nt
even acknowledge it:(
Michael- I thought Garlic and I had something special...guess not.
Thx
--roseanne
In real life, Krista Allen ONLY played in "The New Adventure's of
Emmanuelle".. The CHARACTER Billy, used to be in prono's.. But Krista
Allen wasn't in any porno's.. The only thing she did was the Emmanuelle
movie.. Which is only rated "R".. "R" is not nearly as bad as "NC-17",
which Showgirls was rated.. And "NC-17" isn't as bad as XXX.. Which are
all those movies in the little rooms at your local video store..
Can't we just stop this!! No one wants to let this die! Gawd!!
Lisa
Oh, I just did. Don't whine or pout, or Santa won't leave you a new toy
this year.
>Michael- I thought Garlic and I had something special...guess not.
Eeek! I think it depends on your definition of "special"...
TTFN,
Garlic
(trying not to dwell on this concept too long)
Yep- that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach :^)
>>salespersons, etc. Is this somehow less objectionable than using
>>their acting talents in porn? Is porn somehow inherently "bad"? Why?
>>Because sex is involved? There's this perception rampant that selling
>>sex is an inherently bad thing, but I wonder where this perception began?
>
>I want to respond to this, but i'm not sure what to say, really...so i'll
>leave it until a better time.
I'll bet you aren't thinking wholehearted agreement with this part.
>Actually I agree with you on this one Garlic. We should'nt hold it
Let me catch my breath...
>against her now that she's ready to move on with her life. People make
>mistakes. Krista certainly seems to have *some* regret over them.
She shouldn't have to have *any* regret over them, any more than
a corporate exec should regret a teen stint at McDonalds or something.
>What i'd like to add to this though, is what I perceive to be Dorkday's
>hypocrisy. I personally believe the rumor that Kristian Alfonso had the
>guy that played Jude St.Clair kicked off the show because he did gay
>porn. Assuming that's the case, why go out and hire a woman who's done
>soft core porn? There's a double standard and I realize that hardcore is
I don't know that there's a double standard, since soft core doesn't
include any "unsafe" behaviours like exchagnge of bodily fluids.
But I do quite agree that if Jeff Griggs was fired because of his past
career, it was wholly unacceptable (and I stated this at the time
this was discussed).
>rumor about Alfonso) then why should Allen be brought on the show? I'm
>sure she had sex with many of the guys she did it with in that film?
Were you there? How can you be sure? In another post you note that
it was a sure bet as far as you're concerned that they did have intercourse,
since they were in physical proximity, un- or minimally clothed and
doing sex scenes. You seem to forget that these people are *acting*,
pretending to have sex for a movie. From what I understand, there's little
that is less sexually stimulating than foreplay or feigning the
sex act for the camera, and I believe it, based on what little
stage work I've done. Most folks have some self-control in this
area, and I'm sure professional actors do, at least in front of the
camera.
>>(might have done porn, once upon a time, had the opportunity arisen)
>
>That was a little more than we needed to know.
Too bad.
TTFN,
Garlic
(trying to remember the last porn I saw- it's been a long while...)
Billie Holliday Reed, the character, was supposed to have done porn
movies while she was drug-addicted and living by her "wits", on the
street, etc. before she ever came to Salem, so before we ever met her.
This part of her storyline came out when she was on trial for Curtis
Reed's murder.
NuBillie's portrayer, Krista Allen, the actress, did a soft core
movie, while in Europe. See the Emmanuelle series of movies. That's
the facts.
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>In article <19961219025...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>JulieCiz <juli...@aol.com> wrote:
>As for Krista, she "could" have done just about anything, but that
doesn't
>mean she did. Speculating about what someone might have done is really a
>waste of time. If there is a point to this thread, it's beyond me.
>*My* point was that it was horribly unfair to judge an actress, or a
>particularly, a person, based on prior career choices. I questioned
>a poster commenting they felt it "inappropriate" that an actress that
>had done "porn" should be working with child actors, and I expressed
>myself on this issue, among others.
Your point is right on target. Judging the actors and actresses on their
past career choices is wrong and there is no reason anyone should feel
it's inappropriate that she work with child actors. Of course, the entire
business has been blown out of proportion since as far as we know, all she
did was a few soft porn movies, and no one should have any problem with
those. Since my hubby is in the business of collecting old Playboys and
such, I've been surprised at the number of "big" name actresses that posed
for these mags prior to making it big. I'm sure many also did films. As
they say, you make a buck where you can, have to pay the rent and put food
on the table. I heard recently that Jane Mansfield did some when she was
17. The mags are worth a small fortune, btw.
>I don't care if Krista (or Rob) had sex, did porn or played backgammon
>with the grips, my issues had to do with the attitude some have with
>sex, and the sex industry, related to the original posters comments
>regarding Krista's past.
Either do I, think I said that. Can you see my post? Just curious, since I
can't see it now. I know I posted it, and you quoted me <G> It's not on
the list. Maybe this is an aol quirk. Just makes it harder for me to find
responces to what I've said.
Anyway, what Krista "could" have done, and what she "did" do, are probably
miles apart. No facts, just strange ramblings really.
>None of the replies have quoted me (except, of course, Michael), either.
>I think the topic I was pursuing was interesting and of potential
>value, but the "did he/she or didn't he/she" is kinda meaningless.
I've been avoiding quotes as much as possible, since aol is so unfriendly
about them. <G> I should have said I agreed with Garlic, since I did and
usually do.
>TTFN,
>Garlic
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I too have been amazed at this. Like rivers, creeks and brooks, they run
rampant, in all directions.
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JulieCiz <juli...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19961223030...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> >From: gar...@news.netgate.net (Garlic Peel)
>
>
> >In article <19961219025...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> >JulieCiz <juli...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >As for Krista, she "could" have done just about anything, but that
> doesn't
> >mean she did. Speculating about what someone might have done is really a
> >waste of time. If there is a point to this thread, it's beyond me.
I missed the start of this thread..what was the name of the alleged movie?
M