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ENZIO B

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Feb 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/3/99
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OK, whats up? Surely Stark is not going to raise Frankie from th dead!
This Lumina storyline has DOOL written all over it! I wouldn't be at all
surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!

Carl

Frenchy

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ENZIO B wrote:

> I wouldn't be at all
> surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!

ROFLMAO!!!
--
Frenchy/Gina

peanutbu...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <19990203172055...@ng-fi1.aol.com>,

enz...@aol.com (ENZIO B) wrote:
> OK, whats up? Surely Stark is not going to raise Frankie from th dead!
> This Lumina storyline has DOOL written all over it! I wouldn't be at all

> surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!
>
> Carl
>

Yep, seems that is just what he's about to do. It's quite a feat since not
only is she very dead, she was created too. The man has powers beyond belief.
I wish he had the power to save AW!

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Julie(Peanutbutter Cup)
I refuse to star in your psychodrama.

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EJs Net

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>> OK, whats up? Surely Stark is not going to raise Frankie from th
>dead!
>> This Lumina storyline has DOOL written all over it! I wouldn't be at all
>> surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
>Yep, seems that is just what he's about to do. It's quite a feat since not
>only is she very dead, she was created too.

Created too? Frankie was created? I thought she was a normal flesh and blood
character like all the others on AW...

>The man has powers beyond belief.
>I wish he had the power to save AW!

Do you know for certain that it's cancelled? I'd think SUNSET BEACH would be
the first to go since it doesn't have ratings as high as AW...

Ed

Janloves

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>Subject: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>From: enz...@aol.com (ENZIO B)
>Date: 2/3/99 5:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <19990203172055...@ng-fi1.aol.com>

>
> OK, whats up? Surely Stark is not going to raise Frankie from th dead!
>This Lumina storyline has DOOL written all over it! I wouldn't be at all
>surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!
>
>Carl
>
>
Read below:
S
p
o
I
L
E
R


It appears from what I have read in spoilers, that Cass does visit Frankie's
grave, and Stark learns of her death from a newspaper article ......So, that
could be exactly what he does. I thought AB was being brought back as a new
character... if he raises Frankie from the "dead", I will be certain to make
sure this show is tuned off my tv until she is gone, and Lila nd Cass are back
together, and Jordan Stark is no more. Unless that never happens either because
AW will be no more. I don't see bringing this story to such a totally inane
level will do anything but put more nails in it's coffin.
I hope I am wrong in my interpretation of that spoiler.

@-Janloves-<-<-<

Hornethowe

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Sorry but after today's show (Thursday), things with the "Frankie" storyline
are really looking so interesting. I can't wait to see how this develops and
just what will happen. Plus, I am looking so forward to seeing Alice Barrett
again that I am primed for any kind of storyline she will provide. There is
nothing I or anyone else can do to change these storylines so I just relax and
enjoy them for the entertainment they provide me. It's a lot more fun and
enjoyable than a lot of negitivity in my life. I usually have a lot of other
things to worry about than how a soap opera is written and how it may or may
not entertain me ...<G>

Linda

Janloves

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>Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>From: horne...@aol.com (Hornethowe)
>Date: 2/4/99 11:17 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <19990204111715...@ng-ft1.aol.com>
Hey Linda, just because I may not like a certain soap plot, or how it is
written, doesn't mean I am "negative" in my life.... AW is but just a miniscule
little detail in my day. But that is what this forum is for , no? I know you
like the show, I know you are enjoying it, but you seem to always respond to my
posts as if you
are trying to dig at me because I don't like this Stark storyline or the fact
that a character that is DEAD may be resurrected. I find that to be totally
gross and inane. I am sorry if you don't share my point of view on that, I hope
you enjoy it, because I won't be watching if that happens. But that won't stop
me from giving my "honest" opinions about how I feel.

@-janloves-<-<-<

NParks4039

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>Sorry but after today's show (Thursday), things with the "Frankie" storyline
>are really looking so interesting. I can't wait to see how this develops and
>just what will happen. Plus, I am looking so forward to seeing Alice Barrett
>again that I am primed for any kind of storyline she will provide. There is
>nothing I or anyone else can do to change these storylines so I just relax
>and
>enjoy them for the entertainment they provide me. It's a lot more fun and
>enjoyable than a lot of negitivity in my life. I usually have a lot of other
>things to worry about than how a soap opera is written and how it may or may
>not entertain me ...<G>
>
>Linda
>
>

This is how I feel too. If something is unbelievable I just accept it as a
fictional story. Some of the best stories I have read of seen in movies or on
TV are based on completly unbelievable premises. I just suspend my disbelief
so that I can enjoy the heart of the story. As to Frankie, I had read that we
would not know if it was Frankie or not for awhile. I also read that the spell
was to call a look alike spirit or something to that effect. I don't think he
summons Frankie out of the grave. I am looking forward to seeing how she
impacts Cass and Lila's lives.
Nancy

Ronnie Wexler

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Feb 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/4/99
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So Stark can 'cre-animate her', sort of like a phoenix rising from the ashes.

Ick.

Ronnie

In article <19990204200504...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
lapca...@aol.com (LapCat1234) wrote:

> >Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark

> >From: peanutbu...@my-dejanews.com


>
> > enz...@aol.com (ENZIO B) wrote:
> >> OK, whats up? Surely Stark is not going to raise Frankie from th
> >dead!
> >> This Lumina storyline has DOOL written all over it! I wouldn't be at all
> >> surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >

> >Yep, seems that is just what he's about to do. It's quite a feat since not

> >only is she very dead, she was created too. The man has powers beyond belief.


> >I wish he had the power to save AW!
> >

> >Julie(Peanutbutter Cup)
>
> LOL! Typo alert! Julie meant "creamated".
>
> Ruth

Ronnie Wexler

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Feb 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/4/99
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Sh.............t!

Ronnie

In article <36c467ae...@news.mv.com>, xpyw...@drakes.mv.com (Jackie
Kuscher) wrote:

> Phoenix? You know what that reminds a lot of us of! <G> Oh no!!!
>
> Jackie

> (to e-mail take "x" off pywaket)

bluee...@hotmail.com

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> This is how I feel too. If something is unbelievable I just accept it as a
> fictional story. Some of the best stories I have read of seen in movies or on
> TV are based on completly unbelievable premises.

Agreed. Besides, it hasn't been that long ago that there was a post listing
characters wanted back--with Frankie included--and it was mentioned that they
didn't care how the character came back. And certainly when Frankie was
killed off, there were similar posts. I don't care whether she returns as
Frankie or as a lookalike; I'm just glad to have her back.

LapCat1234

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LapCat1234

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>Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>From: rwe...@tias.com (Ronnie Wexler)

>
>So Stark can 'cre-animate her', sort of like a phoenix rising from the ashes.
>
>
>Ick.
>
>Ronnie

Ick is right. More DOOlifying.

Ruth

Jackie Kuscher

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Phoenix? You know what that reminds a lot of us of! <G> Oh no!!!

Jackie


On 04 Feb 1999 18:11:10 PST, rwe...@tias.com (Ronnie Wexler) wrote:

>So Stark can 'cre-animate her', sort of like a phoenix rising from the ashes.
>
>Ick.
>
>Ronnie
>

>In article <19990204200504...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
>lapca...@aol.com (LapCat1234) wrote:
>

>> >Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark

(to e-mail take "x" off pywaket)

Hornethowe

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>>>
>>>> OK, whats up? Surely Stark is not going to raise Frankie from th
>>dead!
>>>
>>>>This Lumina storyline has DOOL written all over it! I wouldn't be at all
>>>>surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!
>>>>
>>>>Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Read below:
>>>S
>>>p
>>>o
>>>I
>>>L
>>>E
>>>R
>>>
>>>
>>> It appears from what I have read in spoilers, that Cass does visit
>>>Frankie's
>>>grave, and Stark learns of her death from a newspaper article ......So,
>that
>>>could be exactly what he does. I thought AB was being brought back as a new
>>>character... if he raises Frankie from the "dead", I will be certain to
>make
>>>sure this show is tuned off my tv until she is gone, and Lila nd Cass are
>>>back
>>>together, and Jordan Stark is no more. Unless that never happens either
>>>because
>>>AW will be no more. I don't see bringing this story to such a totally inane
>>>level will do anything but put more nails in it's coffin.
>>>I hope I am wrong in my interpretation of that spoiler.
>>>
>>>@-Janloves-<-<-<
>>>
>>
>>Sorry but after today's show (Thursday), things with the "Frankie" storyline
>>are really looking so interesting. I can't wait to see how this develops
>and
>>just what will happen. Plus, I am looking so forward to seeing Alice
>Barrett
>>again that I am primed for any kind of storyline she will provide.
> There is
>>nothing I or anyone else can do to change these storylines so I just relax
>>and
>>enjoy them for the entertainment they provide me. It's a lot more fun and
>>enjoyable than a lot of negitivity in my life. I usually have a lot of
>other
>>things to worry about than how a soap opera is written and how it may or may
>>not entertain me ...<G>
>>
>>Linda
>>
>>
> Hey Linda, just because I may not like a certain soap plot, or how it is
>written, doesn't mean I am "negative" in my life.... AW is but just a
>miniscule
>little detail in my day. But that is what this forum is for , no? I know you
>like the show, I know you are enjoying it, but you seem to always respond to
>my
>posts as if you
>are trying to dig at me because I don't like this Stark storyline or the fact
>that a character that is DEAD may be resurrected. I find that to be totally
>gross and inane. I am sorry if you don't share my point of view on that, I
>hope
>you enjoy it, because I won't be watching if that happens. But that won't
>stop
>me from giving my "honest" opinions about how I feel.
>
>@-janloves-<-<-<
>

Jan...you have 200% mis-interpreted what I was saying. I was talking ONLY
about the negetivity of AW and the negativity in my own life...and while
watching the show, those areas of negativity for the most part are laid aside
so I can just enjoy it. I have NEVER dug at you, as you say. If you truly
feel this, then I am sorry you do. We are all entitled to our opinions. I
state mine and you state yours....and lots of others state theirs. Often, we
do not agree with each other about events of AW but I would never "dig" at you
for your views just because they differed from mine. I do understand what you
are saying about the problems you have with certain areas of the show. My
point was that I enjoy watching it and I understand that some areas of it, you
and many others do not like right now. That's OK if we all feel differently
about these things but I'm sorry you feel there was something deeper than that
to it. There is not, in anyway, shape or form anything more than that to what
I previously said. I think if you will re-read the original post, you will see
I never mentioned anything about YOU and any negativity in your life.

Linda

Linda

Janloves

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>Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>From: bluee...@hotmail.com
>Date: 2/4/99 8:11 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <79dgfm$kuc$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Oh well, I guess I just see it a different way. Although, I have to agree,
that seeing a favorite return can make one blind to the inconsistencies in
their plots....maybe that is what TIIC are hoping for as well.


@-Janloves-<-<-<


Janloves

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>Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>From: lapca...@aol.com (LapCat1234)
>Date: 2/4/99 9:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <19990204212002...@ng-fv1.aol.com>

>
>>Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>>From: rwe...@tias.com (Ronnie Wexler)

>
>>
>>So Stark can 'cre-animate her', sort of like a phoenix rising from the
>ashes.
>>
>>
>>Ick.
>>
>>Ronnie
>
>Ick is right. More DOOlifying.
>
>Ruth
>
>
Please don't tell me he is going to take her ashes, and recreate her....
Anyway, if she was creamated, would Cass not have her ashes in a safe place?
Why bury them? Don't most people keep them in urns? Yikes, this is getting
morbid...


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Janloves

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>Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>From: horne...@aol.com (Hornethowe)
>Date: 2/5/99 12:55 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <19990205005543...@ng-fw1.aol.com>

Sorry if I misunderstood your intent, it sounded like you were saying I (or
should I say fans in general who are negative about certain aspects) place too
much importance on how this show is written . After all you did respond to me,
so what am I to think? Just commenting that what is said here whether it' s of
a positive or negative nature, does not have anything to do with my life. No
harm done.

@-Janloves-<-<-<


peanutbu...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <rwexler-0402...@cartier.tias.com>,

rwe...@tias.com (Ronnie Wexler) wrote:
> Sh.............t!
>
> Ronnie
>
> In article <36c467ae...@news.mv.com>, xpyw...@drakes.mv.com (Jackie
> Kuscher) wrote:
>
> > Phoenix? You know what that reminds a lot of us of! <G> Oh no!!!
> >
> > Jackie
> >
> >
> > On 04 Feb 1999 18:11:10 PST, rwe...@tias.com (Ronnie Wexler) wrote:
> >
> > >So Stark can 'cre-animate her', sort of like a phoenix rising from the
> ashes.
> > >
> > >Ick.
> > >
> > >Ronnie
> > >
> > >In article <19990204200504...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
> > >lapca...@aol.com (LapCat1234) wrote:
> > >
> > >> >Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
> > >> >From: peanutbu...@my-dejanews.com
> > >>
> > >> > enz...@aol.com (ENZIO B) wrote:
> > >> >> OK, whats up? Surely Stark is not going to raise Frankie from th
> > >> >dead!
> > >> >> This Lumina storyline has DOOL written all over it! I wouldn't be
> at all
> > >> >> surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Carl
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >Yep, seems that is just what he's about to do. It's quite a feat since
not
> > >> >only is she very dead, she was created too. The man has powers
> beyond belief.
> > >> >I wish he had the power to save AW!
> > >> >
> > >> >Julie(Peanutbutter Cup)
> > >>
> > >> LOL! Typo alert! Julie meant "creamated".
> > >>
> > >> Ruth
> >
> > (to e-mail take "x" off pywaket)
>

LOL, ashes to ashes, dust to dust, typos to spellchecker <G>
-----

Julie(Peanutbutter Cup)
I refuse to star in your psychodrama.

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Ronnie Wexler

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These days it seems pretty unusual to have ashes sitting around the
house. Most of the folks I know who have cremated loved ones have either
interred their ashes in a crypt or scattered them.

Ronnie

In article <19990205090609...@ng18.aol.com>, janl...@aol.com
(Janloves) wrote:

> >Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark

> >From: lapca...@aol.com (LapCat1234)
> >Date: 2/4/99 9:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <19990204212002...@ng-fv1.aol.com>
> >

> >>Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark

> >>From: rwe...@tias.com (Ronnie Wexler)


> >
> >>
> >>So Stark can 'cre-animate her', sort of like a phoenix rising from the
> >ashes.
> >>
> >>
> >>Ick.
> >>
> >>Ronnie
> >

NParks4039

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> This is how I feel too. If something is unbelievable I just accept it as a
>> fictional story. Some of the best stories I have read of seen in movies or
>on
>> TV are based on completly unbelievable premises.
>
>Agreed. Besides, it hasn't been that long ago that there was a post listing
>characters wanted back--with Frankie included--and it was mentioned that they
>didn't care how the character came back. And certainly when Frankie was
>killed off, there were similar posts. I don't care whether she returns as
>Frankie or as a lookalike; I'm just glad to have her back.
>
You make a good point. There are a limited number of ways to bring back a very
dead character. None of them would be very believable. Sometimes they bring
them back as a different character entirly but most of the time that doesn't
work. I don't thik it really matters weather Frankie is raised from the dead
or Stark creats a look alike as both are unbelievable so I am just going to
look forward to seeing how Cass reacts and what kind of crimps this puts in

Hornethowe

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>
>These days it seems pretty unusual to have ashes sitting around the
>house. Most of the folks I know who have cremated loved ones have either
>interred their ashes in a crypt or scattered them.
>
>Ronnie
>

Many ashes are also buried at a headstone. We know several of these cases,
including my father-in-law.

Linda

Hornethowe

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>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, whats up? Surely Stark is not going to raise Frankie from th
>>>>dead!
>>>>>
>>>>>>This Lumina storyline has DOOL written all over it! I wouldn't be at
>all
>>>>>>surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Yes, I did respond to your post Jan but my ramblings were in general...not
addressed to anyone poster in particular. And again Jan, I mentioned nothing
about your life...I was talking about the negativity in my life. I don't know
enough about your life to even say if it has any negativity or not....I only
know of my life. Thank you for saying...No harm done.

Linda

EJs Net

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>This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
>one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
>ratings? Prime time shows do this all the time. For example, Ross (George
>Clooney) and Carter (Noah Wylie) appeared on Friends in its early days
>before it was a hit. Why not have Stefano or some other major character from
>Days appear on AW to boost its ratings?

This wouldn't work with those of us with LONG AW memories. I remember several
instances where Vicky & Ryan would mention how upside down their lives were,
and happened to say it like: "Who else has had a love affair like ours? Those
people on 'Days of Our Lives'?". So, if one ignores the fact that in the AW
world Days is a soap opera, then it could work. But those of us will spot this
inconsistency. Oh hell, what's one more, right?

Ed
EJs...@aol.com


Donald Duffy

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ENZIO B wrote in message <19990203172055...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...

> I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano
DiMera very soon!
>
>Carl

This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from

DonnaB

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On 8 Feb 1999 02:33:18 GMT in rec.arts.tv.soaps.misc "Donald
Duffy" <Donald...@worldnet.att.net> found the time to
say:

| This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
| one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
| ratings?

The ABC soaps have had & do have crossovers from soap to
soap sometimes. On AW, 2 of the Bauers from GL once crossed
over to Bay City.

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ENZIO B

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I remember around the time "Santa Barbara" was cancelled (I STILL miss it!).
There was some talk of having the characters of Mason & Julia Capwell move to
Bay City. But of course that never happened.

Carl

bluee...@hotmail.com

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> This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
> one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
> ratings?

GH and its spin-off PC have done cross-overs, most often during June for the
annual Nurses Ball. All the ABC soaps, at one time or another, have had
characters from other soaps cross-over.

B&B and Y&R just did a cross-over between their soaps, with characters going
both ways. A few years ago, Lauren and Sheila permanently crossed over from
Y&R to B&B.

The problem with doing it from DOOL to AW is location. B&B and Y&R are
filmed next door from each other; same for GH and PC. DOOL and AW, however,
are filmed on different coasts. It COULD be done, of course....but it's a
matter of coordination.

LapCat1234

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I still miss it too Carl. Damn good soap! Stupid people who cancelled it...

I didn't know there was talk of Mason and Julia coming to BC! I'd kill (just a
term) to get some of those actors on AW! That would be a HUGE coup for AW!!!
A Martinez!!!! They killed him off Profiler. What's he doing now?

Ruth

Marley Elizabeth Greiner

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Donald Duffy <Donald...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<79lide$m...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...


>
> ENZIO B wrote in message
<19990203172055...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
> > I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with
Stefano
> DiMera very soon!
> >
> >Carl
>

> This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
> one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its

> ratings? Prime time shows do this all the time. For example, Ross (George
> Clooney) and Carter (Noah Wylie) appeared on Friends in its early days
> before it was a hit. Why not have Stefano or some other major character
from
> Days appear on AW to boost its ratings?

I don't know about the boost in ratings, but back in the late 1960s or
early 1970s Mike Bauer from Guiding Light had a front burner story on
Another World. He moved to Bay City and had an affair with Pat Matthews
Randolph while she was married to John. Later we went back home to
Springfield.

On Conan the other night Michael T. Weiss said that there he and Ally
Walker (Samantha) would be doing guests shots on each other's shows. I(The
Pretender and Profiler.)

Marley
>
>
>

DonnaB

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On 9 Feb 1999 00:56:08 GMT in rec.arts.tv.soaps.misc
lapca...@aol.com (LapCat1234) found the time to say:

| A Martinez!!!! They killed him off Profiler. What's he doing now?

He probably would have been on a JFP soap already by now
except that she keeps being ExecuProd of East Coast soaps &
he doesn't want to move himself & his family or be
bi-coastal.

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barking dog to be tethered on a 10-foot chain."- Adlai
Stevenson, II

Lisa Z. Longoria

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DonnaB wrote:

>Donald...@worldnet.att.net> found the time to say:


>
> | This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
> | one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
> | ratings?
>

> The ABC soaps have had & do have crossovers from soap to
> soap sometimes. On AW, 2 of the Bauers from GL once crossed
> over to Bay City.
>

Y&R and B&B have shared characters. The Sheila/Scott/Lauren triangle
spilled over from Y&R to B&B. Lauren had ties to the Forresters (B&B)
and Victor is currently negotiating a deal with one of the Forresters.

lisa.z

Hornethowe

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>
>I remember around the time "Santa Barbara" was cancelled (I STILL miss it!).
>There was some talk of having the characters of Mason & Julia Capwell move to
>Bay City. But of course that never happened.
>
>Carl
>

BC could never have handled Mason and Julia...LOL

Linda

LapCat1234

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>Subject: Re: AW Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>From: wes...@vol.com (DonnaB)

>
>| A Martinez!!!! They killed him off Profiler. What's he doing now?
>
>He probably would have been on a JFP soap already by now
>except that she keeps being ExecuProd of East Coast soaps &
>he doesn't want to move himself & his family or be
>bi-coastal.
>
>--
>DonnaB

Aw, come on A.! Moving's not THAT bad, and it sure would please multitudes of
fans! <g>

Ruth

Jackie Kuscher

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You are right, but oh how to dream <G>

Jackie

DonnaB

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On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:36:29 +0000 in rec.arts.tv.soaps.misc
"Lisa Z. Longoria" <lis...@mail.utexas.edu> found the time
to say:

| DonnaB wrote:
| > The ABC soaps have had & do have crossovers from soap to
| > soap sometimes. On AW, 2 of the Bauers from GL once crossed
| > over to Bay City.
|
| Y&R and B&B have shared characters. The Sheila/Scott/Lauren triangle
| spilled over from Y&R to B&B. Lauren had ties to the Forresters (B&B)
| and Victor is currently negotiating a deal with one of the Forresters.

I think crossovers are always a lot of fun. I know that in
primetime they're usually *used* to try to get viewers of
one show to watch another, IOW building audience, but I
don't really think of it as immediate ratings hoopla. I
guess it can be. I wonder how THE PRACTICE did last year
when they did the crossover on each show with ALLY McBEAL.

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of his tail." - Henry Wheeler Shaw

DonnaB

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On 9 Feb 1999 00:59:33 GMT in rec.arts.tv.soaps.misc "Marley
Elizabeth Greiner" <maddog...@worldnet.att.net> found the
time to say:

| I don't know about the boost in ratings, but back in the late 1960s or


| early 1970s Mike Bauer from Guiding Light had a front burner story on
| Another World. He moved to Bay City and had an affair with Pat Matthews
| Randolph while she was married to John. Later we went back home to
| Springfield.

And, in case people don't follow why that happened, AW was
originally created to be a sister soap to GL.

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peanutbu...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <01be53c7$25662100$45614c0c@default>,

"Marley Elizabeth Greiner" <maddog...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
> Donald Duffy <Donald...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
> <79lide$m...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
> >
> > ENZIO B wrote in message
> <19990203172055...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
> > > I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with
> Stefano
> > DiMera very soon!
> > >
> > >Carl
> >
> > This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
> > one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
> > ratings? Prime time shows do this all the time. For example, Ross (George
> > Clooney) and Carter (Noah Wylie) appeared on Friends in its early days
> > before it was a hit. Why not have Stefano or some other major character
> from
> > Days appear on AW to boost its ratings?
>
> I don't know about the boost in ratings, but back in the late 1960s or
> early 1970s Mike Bauer from Guiding Light had a front burner story on
> Another World. He moved to Bay City and had an affair with Pat Matthews
> Randolph while she was married to John. Later we went back home to
> Springfield.
>
> On Conan the other night Michael T. Weiss said that there he and Ally
> Walker (Samantha) would be doing guests shots on each other's shows. I(The
> Pretender and Profiler.)
>
> Marley
> >
> >
> >
>

Many fans love cross-over stories. I remember Mike doing this, can't say if I
was watching either show at that time, or if I just read about it. The next
thing fans like is when their favs do guest appearances on other shows. Folks
will tune in to see it. Of course that's what the execs want, and they are
hoping you will continue to watch.

-----

Julie(Peanutbutter Cup)
I refuse to star in your psychodrama.

-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------

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In article <36BFE5...@mail.utexas.edu>,
"Lisa Z. Longoria" <lis...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> DonnaB wrote:
>
> >Donald...@worldnet.att.net> found the time to say:

> >
> > | This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
> > | one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
> > | ratings?
> >
> > The ABC soaps have had & do have crossovers from soap to
> > soap sometimes. On AW, 2 of the Bauers from GL once crossed
> > over to Bay City.
> >
>
> Y&R and B&B have shared characters. The Sheila/Scott/Lauren triangle
> spilled over from Y&R to B&B. Lauren had ties to the Forresters (B&B)
> and Victor is currently negotiating a deal with one of the Forresters.
>
> lisa.z
>

Let's not forget the AW had a few spin-offs, one of the few shows that really
did this. Somerset and Texas both started out with cast members from AW.

DonnaB

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On 7 Feb 1999 04:05:01 GMT in rec.arts.tv.soaps.misc
horne...@aol.com (Hornethowe) found the time to say:

| Yes, I did respond to your post Jan but my ramblings were in general...not
| addressed to anyone poster in particular.

And, that's the way it is on public fora! <G>

| And again Jan, I mentioned nothing
| about your life...I was talking about the negativity in my life. I don't know
| enough about your life to even say if it has any negativity or not....I only
| know of my life. Thank you for saying...No harm done.

However, I think for some of us & I know for me, that being
able to enjoy the show again is bringing a particular breath
of fresh air from feeling so negative about the outlook for
my favorite soap opera! And, those kinds of feelings are as
valid if not as serious as, for example, worrying about a
family member or something. Just being able to enjoy Cass &
Lila, not object to a usually dreaded triangle in them with
Matt, the delightful way that the silly Lumina is being
written & acted & produced as well as the serious New Age
undertones, the way Paulina's story is being tied in with
events from years ago, having some actual SWATCH show up on
a regular basis, .... just makes me hum. <G>

Posting & E-Mailing Courtesy Copy Simultaneously

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out of diapers?" - Donna Williams, PBS spokeswoman 2/99

DonnaB

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On 7 Feb 1999 03:50:38 GMT in rec.arts.tv.soaps.misc

horne...@aol.com (Hornethowe) found the time to say:

| >These days it seems pretty unusual to have ashes sitting around the

My Mother's ashes are buried in a several generation family
cemetery. I gather that it's something more & more people
are beginning to do. I can see how it combines aspects of
traditional burial with cremation.

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ARIAA <*> www.delphi.com/soapopera 8^> icq308592

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GH 2/99

DonnaB

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npark...@aol.com (NParks4039) found the time to say:

| > This is how I feel too. If something is unbelievable I just accept it as a
| >> fictional story. Some of the best stories I have read of seen in movies or
| >on
| >> TV are based on completly unbelievable premises.

I don't really hold a mirror of realism up to fiction as
much as I do one of consistency within the framework that's
set up. I don't find what we're watching now to be
inconsistent with the long rich heritage of Bay City.
Frankly, I don't even find it near the bottom, although I
also wouldn't put it at the top. But, to me, it is the
absolute best overall that we have had in years. Until more
money is spent & there's a longer period of stability, this
is probably as good as it's gonna get. And, money &
stability won't happen until ratings come up. Nasty vicious
cycle.

| >Agreed. Besides, it hasn't been that long ago that there was a post listing
| >characters wanted back--with Frankie included--and it was mentioned that they
| >didn't care how the character came back. And certainly when Frankie was
| >killed off, there were similar posts. I don't care whether she returns as
| >Frankie or as a lookalike; I'm just glad to have her back.

Oh, and people who have said that they would suffer a Dallas
style dream even to have either Ryan or Frankie back!

| You make a good point. There are a limited number of ways to bring back a very
| dead character. None of them would be very believable. Sometimes they bring
| them back as a different character entirly but most of the time that doesn't
| work. I don't thik it really matters weather Frankie is raised from the dead
| or Stark creats a look alike as both are unbelievable so I am just going to
| look forward to seeing how Cass reacts and what kind of crimps this puts in
| Cass and Lila's lives.

My suspension of disbelief is intentionally engaged, but
it's not like I have to keep toggling it back on or
anything! This is even an entertaining sweeps period to me &
I hate sweeps about half the time!

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public." - Viki OLTL 2/99

Hornethowe

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>
>I don't really hold a mirror of realism up to fiction as
>much as I do one of consistency within the framework that's
>set up. I don't find what we're watching now to be
>inconsistent with the long rich heritage of Bay City.
>Frankly, I don't even find it near the bottom, although I
>also wouldn't put it at the top. But, to me, it is the
>absolute best overall that we have had in years. Until more
>money is spent & there's a longer period of stability, this
>is probably as good as it's gonna get. And, money &
>stability won't happen until ratings come up. Nasty vicious
>cycle.>>>>>snipped from Donna.......


Great post donna. ITA...I think the show is so much better than it has been.
Sure the writing is not going to please everyone but I find nuggets in most of
what is written now. and of course, most of the actors have been incredible,
IMO. I'm also still enjoying the Lumina storyline. I think it will be
interesting to see how this painting that knocked David on his butt the other
day will be a part of the storyline and Stark/Halliday.

Linda


Dave Lamoureux

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Hornethowe wrote:

Didn't Stark mention in a past episode, while talking out loud or perhaps to Zak,
that any slight interuption in his concentration in maintaining the image of
Halliday caused him to revert back to Stark. Like when Cameron announced his and
Amanda's engagement. If this was the case, wouldn't that zap he took from that
painting have caused the same result?

By the way, what has happened to Zak? Haven't seen him lately. Could he be
impersonating Frankie perhaps? I wonder. Any takers?

Dave

LapCat1234

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>Subject: Re: AW: Loving It Lately /was Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>From: Dave Lamoureux <djl...@nb.sympatico.ca>

snippitty...

>By the way, what has happened to Zak? Haven't seen him lately. Could he be
>impersonating Frankie perhaps? I wonder. Any takers?
>
>Dave
>

He's pretty enough... <g>

Ruth

Hornethowe

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>By the way, what has happened to Zak? Haven't seen him lately. Could he be
>impersonating Frankie perhaps? I wonder. Any takers?
>
>Dave
>

Wasn't the character of Zak put off contract, which usually means less air
time? Anna Stuart must be off, off, off contract then! <G>

Linda

Frenchy

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Hornethowe wrote:

> I'm also still enjoying the Lumina storyline. I think it will be
> interesting to see how this painting that knocked David on his butt the other
> day will be a part of the storyline and Stark/Halliday.

I can't wait to find out about the painting as well....the lady in the dress in
the painting has to be his wife?!?!?
--
Frenchy/Gina

Janloves

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>Subject: Re: AW: Loving It Lately /was Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
>From: Frenchy <egh...@pilot.infi.net>
>Date: 2/17/99 9:30 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <36CAD270...@pilot.infi.net>


That scene reminded me of the Portrait of Dorian Gray...

@-Janloves-<-<-<

Frenchy

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Dave Lamoureux wrote:

> Didn't Stark mention in a past episode, while talking out loud or perhaps to Zak,
> that any slight interuption in his concentration in maintaining the image of
> Halliday caused him to revert back to Stark. Like when Cameron announced his and
> Amanda's engagement. If this was the case, wouldn't that zap he took from that
> painting have caused the same result?

You know...I thought the same thing when this happened as well....I find it odd that
it didn't happen this way!?

> By the way, what has happened to Zak? Haven't seen him lately. Could he be
> impersonating Frankie perhaps? I wonder. Any takers?

Zak is on recurring status....I sure hope he isn't Frankie!? LOL
--
Frenchy/Gina

Jackie

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On 16 Feb 1999 19:30:20 GMT, horne...@aol.com (Hornethowe) wrote:

>>
>>I don't really hold a mirror of realism up to fiction as
>>much as I do one of consistency within the framework that's
>>set up. I don't find what we're watching now to be
>>inconsistent with the long rich heritage of Bay City.
>>Frankly, I don't even find it near the bottom, although I
>>also wouldn't put it at the top. But, to me, it is the
>>absolute best overall that we have had in years. Until more
>>money is spent & there's a longer period of stability, this
>>is probably as good as it's gonna get. And, money &
>>stability won't happen until ratings come up. Nasty vicious
>>cycle.>>>>>snipped from Donna.......
>
>
>Great post donna. ITA...I think the show is so much better than it has been.
>Sure the writing is not going to please everyone but I find nuggets in most of
>what is written now. and of course, most of the actors have been incredible,

>IMO. I'm also still enjoying the Lumina storyline. I think it will be


>interesting to see how this painting that knocked David on his butt the other
>day will be a part of the storyline and Stark/Halliday.
>

>Linda

Knocking him on his butt wasn't far enough for me!!

Jackie

Hornethowe

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ROTFLMAO Jackie!

Linda

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