Carl
ENZIO B wrote:
> I wouldn't be at all
> surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!
ROFLMAO!!!
--
Frenchy/Gina
Yep, seems that is just what he's about to do. It's quite a feat since not
only is she very dead, she was created too. The man has powers beyond belief.
I wish he had the power to save AW!
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Created too? Frankie was created? I thought she was a normal flesh and blood
character like all the others on AW...
>The man has powers beyond belief.
>I wish he had the power to save AW!
Do you know for certain that it's cancelled? I'd think SUNSET BEACH would be
the first to go since it doesn't have ratings as high as AW...
Ed
It appears from what I have read in spoilers, that Cass does visit Frankie's
grave, and Stark learns of her death from a newspaper article ......So, that
could be exactly what he does. I thought AB was being brought back as a new
character... if he raises Frankie from the "dead", I will be certain to make
sure this show is tuned off my tv until she is gone, and Lila nd Cass are back
together, and Jordan Stark is no more. Unless that never happens either because
AW will be no more. I don't see bringing this story to such a totally inane
level will do anything but put more nails in it's coffin.
I hope I am wrong in my interpretation of that spoiler.
@-Janloves-<-<-<
Sorry but after today's show (Thursday), things with the "Frankie" storyline
are really looking so interesting. I can't wait to see how this develops and
just what will happen. Plus, I am looking so forward to seeing Alice Barrett
again that I am primed for any kind of storyline she will provide. There is
nothing I or anyone else can do to change these storylines so I just relax and
enjoy them for the entertainment they provide me. It's a lot more fun and
enjoyable than a lot of negitivity in my life. I usually have a lot of other
things to worry about than how a soap opera is written and how it may or may
not entertain me ...<G>
Linda
@-janloves-<-<-<
This is how I feel too. If something is unbelievable I just accept it as a
fictional story. Some of the best stories I have read of seen in movies or on
TV are based on completly unbelievable premises. I just suspend my disbelief
so that I can enjoy the heart of the story. As to Frankie, I had read that we
would not know if it was Frankie or not for awhile. I also read that the spell
was to call a look alike spirit or something to that effect. I don't think he
summons Frankie out of the grave. I am looking forward to seeing how she
impacts Cass and Lila's lives.
Nancy
Ick.
Ronnie
In article <19990204200504...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
lapca...@aol.com (LapCat1234) wrote:
> >Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
> >From: peanutbu...@my-dejanews.com
>
> > enz...@aol.com (ENZIO B) wrote:
> >> OK, whats up? Surely Stark is not going to raise Frankie from th
> >dead!
> >> This Lumina storyline has DOOL written all over it! I wouldn't be at all
> >> surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with Stefano DiMera very soon!
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >
> >Yep, seems that is just what he's about to do. It's quite a feat since not
> >only is she very dead, she was created too. The man has powers beyond belief.
> >I wish he had the power to save AW!
> >
> >Julie(Peanutbutter Cup)
>
> LOL! Typo alert! Julie meant "creamated".
>
> Ruth
Ronnie
In article <36c467ae...@news.mv.com>, xpyw...@drakes.mv.com (Jackie
Kuscher) wrote:
> Phoenix? You know what that reminds a lot of us of! <G> Oh no!!!
>
> Jackie
> (to e-mail take "x" off pywaket)
> This is how I feel too. If something is unbelievable I just accept it as a
> fictional story. Some of the best stories I have read of seen in movies or on
> TV are based on completly unbelievable premises.
Agreed. Besides, it hasn't been that long ago that there was a post listing
characters wanted back--with Frankie included--and it was mentioned that they
didn't care how the character came back. And certainly when Frankie was
killed off, there were similar posts. I don't care whether she returns as
Frankie or as a lookalike; I'm just glad to have her back.
>
>So Stark can 'cre-animate her', sort of like a phoenix rising from the ashes.
>
>
>Ick.
>
>Ronnie
Ick is right. More DOOlifying.
Ruth
Jackie
On 04 Feb 1999 18:11:10 PST, rwe...@tias.com (Ronnie Wexler) wrote:
>So Stark can 'cre-animate her', sort of like a phoenix rising from the ashes.
>
>Ick.
>
>Ronnie
>
>In article <19990204200504...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
>lapca...@aol.com (LapCat1234) wrote:
>
>> >Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
(to e-mail take "x" off pywaket)
Jan...you have 200% mis-interpreted what I was saying. I was talking ONLY
about the negetivity of AW and the negativity in my own life...and while
watching the show, those areas of negativity for the most part are laid aside
so I can just enjoy it. I have NEVER dug at you, as you say. If you truly
feel this, then I am sorry you do. We are all entitled to our opinions. I
state mine and you state yours....and lots of others state theirs. Often, we
do not agree with each other about events of AW but I would never "dig" at you
for your views just because they differed from mine. I do understand what you
are saying about the problems you have with certain areas of the show. My
point was that I enjoy watching it and I understand that some areas of it, you
and many others do not like right now. That's OK if we all feel differently
about these things but I'm sorry you feel there was something deeper than that
to it. There is not, in anyway, shape or form anything more than that to what
I previously said. I think if you will re-read the original post, you will see
I never mentioned anything about YOU and any negativity in your life.
Linda
Linda
@-Janloves-<-<-<
@-Janloves-<-<-<-<
Sorry if I misunderstood your intent, it sounded like you were saying I (or
should I say fans in general who are negative about certain aspects) place too
much importance on how this show is written . After all you did respond to me,
so what am I to think? Just commenting that what is said here whether it' s of
a positive or negative nature, does not have anything to do with my life. No
harm done.
@-Janloves-<-<-<
LOL, ashes to ashes, dust to dust, typos to spellchecker <G>
-----
Julie(Peanutbutter Cup)
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Ronnie
In article <19990205090609...@ng18.aol.com>, janl...@aol.com
(Janloves) wrote:
> >Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
> >From: lapca...@aol.com (LapCat1234)
> >Date: 2/4/99 9:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <19990204212002...@ng-fv1.aol.com>
> >
> >>Subject: Re: AW: Frankie & the idiot Jordan Stark
> >>From: rwe...@tias.com (Ronnie Wexler)
> >
> >>
> >>So Stark can 'cre-animate her', sort of like a phoenix rising from the
> >ashes.
> >>
> >>
> >>Ick.
> >>
> >>Ronnie
> >
Many ashes are also buried at a headstone. We know several of these cases,
including my father-in-law.
Linda
Yes, I did respond to your post Jan but my ramblings were in general...not
addressed to anyone poster in particular. And again Jan, I mentioned nothing
about your life...I was talking about the negativity in my life. I don't know
enough about your life to even say if it has any negativity or not....I only
know of my life. Thank you for saying...No harm done.
Linda
This wouldn't work with those of us with LONG AW memories. I remember several
instances where Vicky & Ryan would mention how upside down their lives were,
and happened to say it like: "Who else has had a love affair like ours? Those
people on 'Days of Our Lives'?". So, if one ignores the fact that in the AW
world Days is a soap opera, then it could work. But those of us will spot this
inconsistency. Oh hell, what's one more, right?
This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
On 8 Feb 1999 02:33:18 GMT in rec.arts.tv.soaps.misc "Donald
Duffy" <Donald...@worldnet.att.net> found the time to
say:
| This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
| one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
| ratings?
The ABC soaps have had & do have crossovers from soap to
soap sometimes. On AW, 2 of the Bauers from GL once crossed
over to Bay City.
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"What's virtue in a man can't be virtue in a cat." - Gail
Hamilton
Carl
> This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
> one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
> ratings?
GH and its spin-off PC have done cross-overs, most often during June for the
annual Nurses Ball. All the ABC soaps, at one time or another, have had
characters from other soaps cross-over.
B&B and Y&R just did a cross-over between their soaps, with characters going
both ways. A few years ago, Lauren and Sheila permanently crossed over from
Y&R to B&B.
The problem with doing it from DOOL to AW is location. B&B and Y&R are
filmed next door from each other; same for GH and PC. DOOL and AW, however,
are filmed on different coasts. It COULD be done, of course....but it's a
matter of coordination.
I didn't know there was talk of Mason and Julia coming to BC! I'd kill (just a
term) to get some of those actors on AW! That would be a HUGE coup for AW!!!
A Martinez!!!! They killed him off Profiler. What's he doing now?
Ruth
Donald Duffy <Donald...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<79lide$m...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>
> ENZIO B wrote in message
<19990203172055...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
> > I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stark drinking Brandy with
Stefano
> DiMera very soon!
> >
> >Carl
>
> This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
> one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
> ratings? Prime time shows do this all the time. For example, Ross (George
> Clooney) and Carter (Noah Wylie) appeared on Friends in its early days
> before it was a hit. Why not have Stefano or some other major character
from
> Days appear on AW to boost its ratings?
I don't know about the boost in ratings, but back in the late 1960s or
early 1970s Mike Bauer from Guiding Light had a front burner story on
Another World. He moved to Bay City and had an affair with Pat Matthews
Randolph while she was married to John. Later we went back home to
Springfield.
On Conan the other night Michael T. Weiss said that there he and Ally
Walker (Samantha) would be doing guests shots on each other's shows. I(The
Pretender and Profiler.)
Marley
>
>
>
| A Martinez!!!! They killed him off Profiler. What's he doing now?
He probably would have been on a JFP soap already by now
except that she keeps being ExecuProd of East Coast soaps &
he doesn't want to move himself & his family or be
bi-coastal.
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ARIAA <*> www.delphi.com/soapopera 8^> icq308592
"If we value the pursuit of knowledge, we must be free to
follow wherever that search may lead us. The free mind is no
barking dog to be tethered on a 10-foot chain."- Adlai
Stevenson, II
>Donald...@worldnet.att.net> found the time to say:
>
> | This reminded me of a question. Has a soap ever had a star character from
> | one soap featured in a front burner storyline on another to boost its
> | ratings?
>
> The ABC soaps have had & do have crossovers from soap to
> soap sometimes. On AW, 2 of the Bauers from GL once crossed
> over to Bay City.
>
Y&R and B&B have shared characters. The Sheila/Scott/Lauren triangle
spilled over from Y&R to B&B. Lauren had ties to the Forresters (B&B)
and Victor is currently negotiating a deal with one of the Forresters.
lisa.z
BC could never have handled Mason and Julia...LOL
Linda
>
>| A Martinez!!!! They killed him off Profiler. What's he doing now?
>
>He probably would have been on a JFP soap already by now
>except that she keeps being ExecuProd of East Coast soaps &
>he doesn't want to move himself & his family or be
>bi-coastal.
>
>--
>DonnaB
Aw, come on A.! Moving's not THAT bad, and it sure would please multitudes of
fans! <g>
Ruth
You are right, but oh how to dream <G>
Jackie
| DonnaB wrote:
| > The ABC soaps have had & do have crossovers from soap to
| > soap sometimes. On AW, 2 of the Bauers from GL once crossed
| > over to Bay City.
|
| Y&R and B&B have shared characters. The Sheila/Scott/Lauren triangle
| spilled over from Y&R to B&B. Lauren had ties to the Forresters (B&B)
| and Victor is currently negotiating a deal with one of the Forresters.
I think crossovers are always a lot of fun. I know that in
primetime they're usually *used* to try to get viewers of
one show to watch another, IOW building audience, but I
don't really think of it as immediate ratings hoopla. I
guess it can be. I wonder how THE PRACTICE did last year
when they did the crossover on each show with ALLY McBEAL.
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ARIAA <*> www.delphi.com/soapopera 8^> icq308592
"Money will buy a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag
of his tail." - Henry Wheeler Shaw
| I don't know about the boost in ratings, but back in the late 1960s or
| early 1970s Mike Bauer from Guiding Light had a front burner story on
| Another World. He moved to Bay City and had an affair with Pat Matthews
| Randolph while she was married to John. Later we went back home to
| Springfield.
And, in case people don't follow why that happened, AW was
originally created to be a sister soap to GL.
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ARIAA <*> www.delphi.com/soapopera 8^> icq308592
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a
dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
Many fans love cross-over stories. I remember Mike doing this, can't say if I
was watching either show at that time, or if I just read about it. The next
thing fans like is when their favs do guest appearances on other shows. Folks
will tune in to see it. Of course that's what the execs want, and they are
hoping you will continue to watch.
-----
Julie(Peanutbutter Cup)
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Let's not forget the AW had a few spin-offs, one of the few shows that really
did this. Somerset and Texas both started out with cast members from AW.
| Yes, I did respond to your post Jan but my ramblings were in general...not
| addressed to anyone poster in particular.
And, that's the way it is on public fora! <G>
| And again Jan, I mentioned nothing
| about your life...I was talking about the negativity in my life. I don't know
| enough about your life to even say if it has any negativity or not....I only
| know of my life. Thank you for saying...No harm done.
However, I think for some of us & I know for me, that being
able to enjoy the show again is bringing a particular breath
of fresh air from feeling so negative about the outlook for
my favorite soap opera! And, those kinds of feelings are as
valid if not as serious as, for example, worrying about a
family member or something. Just being able to enjoy Cass &
Lila, not object to a usually dreaded triangle in them with
Matt, the delightful way that the silly Lumina is being
written & acted & produced as well as the serious New Age
undertones, the way Paulina's story is being tied in with
events from years ago, having some actual SWATCH show up on
a regular basis, .... just makes me hum. <G>
Posting & E-Mailing Courtesy Copy Simultaneously
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"How can Tinky Winky be out of the closet when he's not even
out of diapers?" - Donna Williams, PBS spokeswoman 2/99
| >These days it seems pretty unusual to have ashes sitting around the
My Mother's ashes are buried in a several generation family
cemetery. I gather that it's something more & more people
are beginning to do. I can see how it combines aspects of
traditional burial with cremation.
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ARIAA <*> www.delphi.com/soapopera 8^> icq308592
"I just announce them; I don't interrogate them." - Reginald
GH 2/99
| > This is how I feel too. If something is unbelievable I just accept it as a
| >> fictional story. Some of the best stories I have read of seen in movies or
| >on
| >> TV are based on completly unbelievable premises.
I don't really hold a mirror of realism up to fiction as
much as I do one of consistency within the framework that's
set up. I don't find what we're watching now to be
inconsistent with the long rich heritage of Bay City.
Frankly, I don't even find it near the bottom, although I
also wouldn't put it at the top. But, to me, it is the
absolute best overall that we have had in years. Until more
money is spent & there's a longer period of stability, this
is probably as good as it's gonna get. And, money &
stability won't happen until ratings come up. Nasty vicious
cycle.
| >Agreed. Besides, it hasn't been that long ago that there was a post listing
| >characters wanted back--with Frankie included--and it was mentioned that they
| >didn't care how the character came back. And certainly when Frankie was
| >killed off, there were similar posts. I don't care whether she returns as
| >Frankie or as a lookalike; I'm just glad to have her back.
Oh, and people who have said that they would suffer a Dallas
style dream even to have either Ryan or Frankie back!
| You make a good point. There are a limited number of ways to bring back a very
| dead character. None of them would be very believable. Sometimes they bring
| them back as a different character entirly but most of the time that doesn't
| work. I don't thik it really matters weather Frankie is raised from the dead
| or Stark creats a look alike as both are unbelievable so I am just going to
| look forward to seeing how Cass reacts and what kind of crimps this puts in
| Cass and Lila's lives.
My suspension of disbelief is intentionally engaged, but
it's not like I have to keep toggling it back on or
anything! This is even an entertaining sweeps period to me &
I hate sweeps about half the time!
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"Lindsay, It is always bad form to foam at the mouth in
public." - Viki OLTL 2/99
Great post donna. ITA...I think the show is so much better than it has been.
Sure the writing is not going to please everyone but I find nuggets in most of
what is written now. and of course, most of the actors have been incredible,
IMO. I'm also still enjoying the Lumina storyline. I think it will be
interesting to see how this painting that knocked David on his butt the other
day will be a part of the storyline and Stark/Halliday.
Linda
Didn't Stark mention in a past episode, while talking out loud or perhaps to Zak,
that any slight interuption in his concentration in maintaining the image of
Halliday caused him to revert back to Stark. Like when Cameron announced his and
Amanda's engagement. If this was the case, wouldn't that zap he took from that
painting have caused the same result?
By the way, what has happened to Zak? Haven't seen him lately. Could he be
impersonating Frankie perhaps? I wonder. Any takers?
Dave
snippitty...
>By the way, what has happened to Zak? Haven't seen him lately. Could he be
>impersonating Frankie perhaps? I wonder. Any takers?
>
>Dave
>
He's pretty enough... <g>
Ruth
Wasn't the character of Zak put off contract, which usually means less air
time? Anna Stuart must be off, off, off contract then! <G>
Linda
Hornethowe wrote:
> I'm also still enjoying the Lumina storyline. I think it will be
> interesting to see how this painting that knocked David on his butt the other
> day will be a part of the storyline and Stark/Halliday.
I can't wait to find out about the painting as well....the lady in the dress in
the painting has to be his wife?!?!?
--
Frenchy/Gina
That scene reminded me of the Portrait of Dorian Gray...
@-Janloves-<-<-<
Dave Lamoureux wrote:
> Didn't Stark mention in a past episode, while talking out loud or perhaps to Zak,
> that any slight interuption in his concentration in maintaining the image of
> Halliday caused him to revert back to Stark. Like when Cameron announced his and
> Amanda's engagement. If this was the case, wouldn't that zap he took from that
> painting have caused the same result?
You know...I thought the same thing when this happened as well....I find it odd that
it didn't happen this way!?
> By the way, what has happened to Zak? Haven't seen him lately. Could he be
> impersonating Frankie perhaps? I wonder. Any takers?
Zak is on recurring status....I sure hope he isn't Frankie!? LOL
--
Frenchy/Gina
>>
>>I don't really hold a mirror of realism up to fiction as
>>much as I do one of consistency within the framework that's
>>set up. I don't find what we're watching now to be
>>inconsistent with the long rich heritage of Bay City.
>>Frankly, I don't even find it near the bottom, although I
>>also wouldn't put it at the top. But, to me, it is the
>>absolute best overall that we have had in years. Until more
>>money is spent & there's a longer period of stability, this
>>is probably as good as it's gonna get. And, money &
>>stability won't happen until ratings come up. Nasty vicious
>>cycle.>>>>>snipped from Donna.......
>
>
>Great post donna. ITA...I think the show is so much better than it has been.
>Sure the writing is not going to please everyone but I find nuggets in most of
>what is written now. and of course, most of the actors have been incredible,
>IMO. I'm also still enjoying the Lumina storyline. I think it will be
>interesting to see how this painting that knocked David on his butt the other
>day will be a part of the storyline and Stark/Halliday.
>
>Linda
Knocking him on his butt wasn't far enough for me!!
Jackie
ROTFLMAO Jackie!
Linda