Y&R Dan Diamont is bi-sexual...
Sarah J. Parker
where did you read this ?
Osei wrote:
>This actually shocked me more than finding out a few years
>ago that Dan Diamont (Brad Carlton, Y&R) is bi-sexual...
>
>
>Osei
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> --Cedric the Entertainer (Kings of Comedy)
>
The Baba
>>where did you read this ?>>
It's twoo, it's twoo...I know I read it about 7 or 8 years ago...In People
or one of those type mags...
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Dr. Paula Bodnar
1990, around the time Diamont was featured in People Magazine's "50
Most Beautiful People In The World." I remember ET did a mini-segment
about Diamont's feature in People Magazine and they did mention his
bisexuality and the fact that he was, at the time, having a romance
offscreen with Eileen Davidson who had left her first stint as Ashley
a year or so before. Needless to day, I was surprised then but isn't
Diamont's sexuality common knowledge by now? He has been "out" for a
while.
Paula
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Phil R.
--Phil
RTJoby
Eileen Davidson was really a man who had a sex change and that she was leaving
the show because Eric Braeden (Victor) told the producers he did not want to do
anymore kissing scenes with her.
This made BIG headline news with all sorts of fans believing the rumor to be
true.
Goes to show---some people will believe anything they are told with the stars
to suffer the consequence.
The Baba
>>Who is Dan Diamont?>>
Picky, picky, picky, Phil...Bored? ;-)
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the Phil Donahue show and announced that she had had a sex change when she was
18. That rumor did get out of hand but any sensible person knew that it just
wasnt true. But I have read on at least a couple of occasions that Don D. is bi;
he dated a guy before his tryst with Gloria Loring either right before or while
he was acting on some NBC soap (dont remember which one - either Another World
or Days of our Lives). Don was in his early 20s then and there were definitely a
couple of articles blurbing this off-screen relationship this was so long ago
though. Maybe hes realized the errors of his ways since then and being the good
Jew that he is converted to full-time heterosexuality :=) Don is now married and
has three kids, no? Meltz
In article <20010901035444...@mb-cn.aol.com>, RTJoby says...
Memory says, " I did that."
Pride replies, "I could not have done that."
Eventually... memory yields.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
Donna L. Bridges
<20010901035444...@mb-cn.aol.com> rtj...@aol.com (RTJoby)
wrote:
But, of course, one of these is absurd & has been denied & there's
even a FAQ available that I can post if need be, while the other one
is true.
--
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recognizes genius ..." - Arthur Conan Doyle, "The Valley of Fear"
Donna L. Bridges
<%U3k7.459$4z....@www.newsranger.com> James K.
Meltzer<meltz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Alas, I remember this. Supposedly sometime in the mid 1980s Davidson had gone on
>the Phil Donahue show and announced that she had had a sex change when she was
>18. That rumor did get out of hand but any sensible person knew that it just
>wasnt true. But I have read on at least a couple of occasions that Don D. is bi;
>he dated a guy before his tryst with Gloria Loring either right before or while
>he was acting on some NBC soap (dont remember which one - either Another World
>or Days of our Lives). Don was in his early 20s then and there were definitely a
>couple of articles blurbing this off-screen relationship this was so long ago
>though. Maybe hes realized the errors of his ways since then and being the good
>Jew that he is converted to full-time heterosexuality :=) Don is now married and
>has three kids, no? Meltz
He played Liz's boy toy, who I think was named Carlo IIRC, on DOOL in
the 80s. Carlo was fabulous. And, yes, he's married & has at least 3,
maybe 4 gorgeous daughters. He's been married for years now. And, just
because he's bisexual doesn't mean that he's not monogamous.
--
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RTJoby
>on
>the Phil Donahue show and announced that she had had a sex change when she
>was
>18. <<
I didn't hear the rumor being that she had went on the Donahue show. The
tabloids were the ones reporting the rumor saying that she wanted it kept hush
hush so that it would not hurt her future career she was trying to start after
she left the show.
While she was on Santa Barbara, one of the soap magazines asked her about that
& her comment was an outloud laugh saying she don't know how that rumor got
started but that she laughed her head off when she heard it.
So it didn't sound like she actually went on the Donahue show saying it---even
though a tabloid probably reported it that way.
Besides Don, other males who were all accused of being homosexual:
~John Travolta was said to be one. Soon as the news surfaced, he married Kelly
Preston right after.
~Tom Cruise was said to be one. Soon as the news surfaced, he married Nichole
right after.
~They even said Kirstie Alley & Parker Stevenson were gay while they were
already married to each other.
(Seriously, sometimes it gets ridiculous.)
Others: Richard Gere, Warren Beaty, Clint Eastwood, Madonna (bi)
Currently: Rosie O'Donnell has been making the tabloid covers shown with her
lesbian lover in court
Out of all of the above, there are probably only 2 --possibly 3 that I would
believe.
But that's all their own private business and shouldn't really involve their
fans like or dislike toward them.
One of my favorite actresses is Anne Hesch (Elen D's former lover).
Who cares? She's a GREAT actress.
Looking forward to what she has to say this coming week with Barabara Walters.
Rthrquiet
>~Tom Cruise was said to be one. Soon as the news surfaced, he married
>Nichole
>right after.
Well, to be precise: Not long after the rumors started, he married Mimi Rogers,
then a few years later divorced her and married Nicole, now he's divorced
Nicole and is hooking up with Penelope (will she hyphenate her last name and
become Penelope Cruz-Cruise?). Of everybody you mentioned, I find the rumor
about Cruise the easiest to believe.
Michael
Carol Frilegh
Not true? I thought she was still a man in drag.
"Donna L. Bridges" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:47:07 GMT, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
> <%U3k7.459$4z....@www.newsranger.com> James K.
> Meltzer<meltz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Alas, I remember this. Supposedly sometime in the mid 1980s Davidson had gone on
> >the Phil Donahue show and announced that she had had a sex change when she was
> >18. That rumor did get out of hand but any sensible person knew that it just
> >wasnt true.--
Diva
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Carol Frilegh
Cruise and he acted pretty damn straight unless he is butch.
--
Nutmeg421
>
>--Phil
Don's twin brother. Identical, of course. Their mom always liked Don better.
homesi...@webtv.net
>Don's twin brother. Identical, of course. Their
>mom always liked Don better.
Oooh..bisexual twins? This only gets better.
Diane
homesi...@webtv.net
>It's twoo, it's twoo...I know I read it about 7 or
>8 years ago...In People or one of those type
>mags...
I'd want to...uh, I mean, have to see it to believe it.
Diane
James K. Meltzer
says...
>And, just
>because he's bisexual doesn't mean that he's not monogamous.
Yeah tell Alan Thicke that :=). Don singlehandedly broke up a thirteen year
marriage between Thicke and Loring with the affair a breakup Alan has repeatedly
publicly stated was the "biggest failure of his life." He regretted the breakup
of that marriage for a long time before he moved on and wished it had lasted
longer. Maybe Alan shouldve returned the favor and hooked up with Don after Don
broke up with Gloria maybe that wouldve given him some solace! :=) Meltz
Lindy
>Yeah tell Alan Thicke that :=). Don singlehandedly broke up a thirteen year
>marriage between Thicke and Loring with the affair
Singlehandedly? Please tell me you're kidding. What, Gloria Loring had no
part in it? It was all Don's doing?
~Lindy~
James K. Meltzer
>
>>Alas, I remember this. Supposedly sometime in the mid 1980s Davidson had gone
>>on
>>the Phil Donahue show and announced that she had had a sex change when she
>>was
>>18. <<
>
>I didn't hear the rumor being that she had went on the Donahue show. The
>tabloids were the ones reporting the rumor saying that she wanted it kept hush
>hush so that it would not hurt her future career she was trying to start after
>she left the show.
>While she was on Santa Barbara, one of the soap magazines asked her about that
>& her comment was an outloud laugh saying she don't know how that rumor got
>started but that she laughed her head off when she heard it.
>So it didn't sound like she actually went on the Donahue show saying it---even
>though a tabloid probably reported it that way.
Of course Eileen never actually went on Donahue admitting she was a man but I
remember vividly that that was how the rumor panned out; that Eileen had gone on
the Phil Donahue show and publicly admitted she was a transsexual and had a sex
change operation when she was 18 right before she started her modeling career
and came to Hollywood. I dont think you realize that Eileen's comments about the
rumor when she was on Santa Barbara are probably from the early 90s (the time
when she was on the show) but that this rumor has been around since the
beginning of her career in the early 80s; I first read about it around this time
and remember getting a good chuckle. The Donahue show was certainly a major part
of the rumor back then but like diseases rumors can mutate into different
strains maybe you heard a different strain as the rumor did last well into the
90s. Eileen may not be the most attractive woman but that was still a pretty
cruel rumor I am glad she had a sense of humor about it.
The Diamont news though is legitimate; Don was open about this I thought when
the story first broke in the mid 80s? There have been blurbs mentioning his
sexuality in a matter-of-fact manner since then though it has admittedly been
a long while since Ive heard it mentioned. Maybe hes gone straight. :=)
But I dont remember ever reading the actress who plays Stephanie Forrester is a
lesbian? This is something I know I wouldve heard about (my job involves
interaction with folks in the soap opera industry and I always read the related
gossip);is this true and when did this information come to light? Meltz
spacemonkey
>
> Besides Don, other males who were all accused of being homosexual:
>
> ~John Travolta was said to be one. Soon as the news surfaced, he married
Kelly
> Preston right after.
Rumour is that Kelly is also Bi. The local spa believes he is too. Word is
he grabed the ass of one of the guy massagers.
>
> ~Tom Cruise was said to be one. Soon as the news surfaced, he married
Nichole
> right after.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was. They say Keanue Reeves is gay too.
Just because you are Bi, doesn't mean you can't be married.
Gail Weasel
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You and me both! No offense to anyone else in this thread, but after an
extensive search on google, I have not found any evindence that this actor
has ever outed himself as "bi". Not that there's anything wrong with being
bi or gay or whatever. Not that I'm interested in the least at actor's
personal lives. I'm not. I'm only concerned that the majority of messages
that I downloaded today had to do with this actor's sex life. He maybe gay
or bi, but he has certainly not "outed" himself.
Diane
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here or there. It really doesn't matter. It's not like it increases your
chances of ever hooking up with him.
Marvin
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Phil R.
>>>Who is Dan Diamont?>>
>
>Picky, picky, picky, Phil...Bored? ;-)
Extremely.
--Phil
The Baba
>>Extremely >>
I know the feeling, Phil...I started working graveyards, and trying to stay
up all night on my days off are the epitome of boring...
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>>Don't forget... game time coming soon.>>
Yup, 18th or 19th when I get back, guaranteed...
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<Mwak7.719$4z....@www.newsranger.com> James K.
Meltzer<meltz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <ujo1ptojuitgse1b7...@4ax.com>, Donna L. Bridges
>says...
>
>>And, just
>>because he's bisexual doesn't mean that he's not monogamous.
>
>Yeah tell Alan Thicke that :=). Don singlehandedly broke up a thirteen year
>marriage between Thicke and Loring with the affair a breakup Alan has repeatedly
>publicly stated was the "biggest failure of his life." He regretted the breakup
>of that marriage for a long time before he moved on and wished it had lasted
>longer. Maybe Alan shouldve returned the favor and hooked up with Don after Don
>broke up with Gloria maybe that wouldve given him some solace! :=) Meltz
But, when he had the affair with Gloria Loring, who BTW makes 2 people
involved not just 1, he wasn't married to anyone so he wasn't breaking
any vows he had made, only she was. And, as I said, being bisexual has
nothing to do with his being able to be monogamous with a partner.
It's an unfounded conclusion to jump to & a common misperception
somehow that bisexual people would have a harder time being
monogamous.
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Donna L. Bridges
<9ms34...@enews3.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
>You and me both! No offense to anyone else in this thread, but after an
>extensive search on google, I have not found any evindence that this actor
>has ever outed himself as "bi". Not that there's anything wrong with being
>bi or gay or whatever. Not that I'm interested in the least at actor's
>personal lives. I'm not. I'm only concerned that the majority of messages
>that I downloaded today had to do with this actor's sex life. He maybe gay
>or bi, but he has certainly not "outed" himself.
Maybe it predated Google, or maybe any number of things, but, he did
out himself as a bisexual & then later pulled a Nathan Lane & tried to
un-out himself & several of us are standing here saying we know,
recall, remember that he did & we're not the same person making up
several different identities & we don't even know each other online.
But, in many places it's well-known, yes, that he did out himself as a
bi-sexual & then later tried to re-in himself.
But, that's not a surprise. There are 2 CBS soap stars right now who
want to out themselves & their EP won't let them. Most of the people
in soaps who are gay or lesbian, whether onscreen or off, are not out,
and over the years have not been out.
--
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Donna L. Bridges
<rFbk7.771$4z....@www.newsranger.com> James K.
Meltzer<meltz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>But I dont remember ever reading the actress who plays Stephanie Forrester is a
>lesbian? This is something I know I wouldve heard about (my job involves
>interaction with folks in the soap opera industry and I always read the related
>gossip);is this true and when did this information come to light? Meltz
E-mail only. Most of the gay people in soaps have had it kept out of
the soap press & some have had it kept out of any press, period. Yes,
it's true, but, not widely known outside of certain entertainment,
gossip, lesbian, etc. circles. Rita Mae Brown semi-outed Susan
Flannery in an auto-biography when she talked about an affair she had
with Fanny Flagg & made reference to the woman who had been with Flagg
for many years. That woman, a Blind Item sorta, is Susan Flannery.
Plus, another actress & a producer at B&B had a fight over her on set
some years ago on set. That actress is I dunno where now, that female
producer is at another West Coast soap & Flannery is still at B&B. Of
course, just watching Flannery when she is herself helps to illustrate
this, when she's out of Stephanie's wig & costume & in her own short,
spiky hair & women's tuxedos, etc.
Long long list of gay people in soaps. Very surprised if you'd know
most of them if you don't know Flannery since she is [now] one of the
least obscure, of the obscure.
--
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illness." - Richard Carlson
RTJoby
>the soap press & some have had it kept out of any press, period. Yes,
>it's true, but, not widely known outside of certain entertainment,
>gossip, lesbian, etc. circles. Rita Mae Brown semi-outed Susan
>Flannery in an auto-biography when she talked about an affair she had
>with Fanny Flagg & made reference to the woman who had been with Flagg
>for many years. That woman, a Blind Item sorta, is Susan Flannery.
>Plus, another actress & a producer at B&B had a fight over her on set
>some years ago on set. That actress is I dunno where now, that female
>producer is at another West Coast soap & Flannery is still at B&B. Of
>course, just watching Flannery when she is herself helps to illustrate
>this, when she's out of Stephanie's wig & costume & in her own short,
>spiky hair & women's tuxedos, etc.
>Long long list of gay people in soaps. Very surprised if you'd know
>most of them if you don't know Flannery since she is [now] one of the
>least obscure, of the obscure.
WOW ! You floored me on that one !!
Sure didn't know that.
One thing that always gets me is how someone gay tries to hide it by pretending
to have a crush on a well-known HOT celebrity.
The male's idols will be someone like Britney Spears.
The female's will be someone like Tom Cruise---(saying that with a particular
female celeb in mind who hosts her own well-known talk showt.)
I guess raving on about how HOT they think the celeb is, makes them feel more
normal toward the others who judge them.
Blackbeard
Don's twin brother. Identical, of course. Their mom always liked Don
better.
I think it has been well established in the tabloids and on a subsequent
interview on Donahue that their mom liked Don better than Dan because
Don was bringing home some pretty nice eye candy. Dan didn't bring home
dates of either sex as he didn't get out much due to his alcoholism.
Blackbeard
AEANDM
AEANDM
Osei
in my area of residence) nearly a decade ago. I have mentioned this a
couple of times in this newsgroup before. I am aware Liz Smith is a gossip
columninst, but Diamont's sexuality was presented as fact, not gossip,
with (as I recall) an actual quote from Diamont indicating its
truthfulness. This was a while ago (I was still in MIDDLE school when I
read this) and I've never heard it mentioned since. But I DEFINITELY
remember reading this because it shocked the hell out of me... Don Diamont
doesn't exactly fit my 'perception' of gay or bi-sexual. He 'looks' like a
ladies' man, was a standout athlete in high school, and I heard he's
even posed for Playgirl...
Sarah J. Parker <z...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
: where did you read this ?
: Osei wrote:
:>This actually shocked me more than finding out a few years
:>ago that Dan Diamont (Brad Carlton, Y&R) is bi-sexual...
Osei
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Gail Weasel
Donna L. Bridges <shall...@aaahawk.com> wrote in message
news:6q54ptgg1lnru0qqa...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:47:42 -0700, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
> <9ms34...@enews3.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
>
> >You and me both! No offense to anyone else in this thread, but after an
> >extensive search on google, I have not found any evindence that this
actor
> >has ever outed himself as "bi". Not that there's anything wrong with
being
> >bi or gay or whatever. Not that I'm interested in the least at actor's
> >personal lives. I'm not. I'm only concerned that the majority of messages
> >that I downloaded today had to do with this actor's sex life. He maybe
gay
> >or bi, but he has certainly not "outed" himself.
>
> Maybe it predated Google,
Google is a search engine. It looks for articles posted on the Web that
predate its existence. If you take a random name, Google might even show you
that some Conneciticut person died in 1624. So, if Diamont outed himself,
someone on the world wide web probably noticed it and wrote about it. I did
an extensive search on his name, and I have not found one web site over the
entire world wide web that remembers that Diamont outed himself.
or maybe any number of things, but, he did
> out himself as a bisexual & then later pulled a Nathan Lane
Nathan Lane denied his homsexuality? When and where?
& tried to
> un-out himself & several of us are standing here saying we know,
> recall, remember that he did & we're not the same person making up
> several different identities & we don't even know each other online.
Lots of people remembered the President of Proctor/Gamble "confessing" to
Phil Donahue years ago that he admired Satan. Most of those people don't
know each other, but if you talked to them today, they would probably assert
dramatically and postively they saw it with their own eyes. But it never
actually happened.
> But, in many places it's well-known, yes, that he did out himself as a
> bi-sexual & then later tried to re-in himself.
In many places it's well known that the Loch Ness monster lives.
> But, that's not a surprise. There are 2 CBS soap stars right now who
> want to out themselves & their EP won't let them. Most of the people
> in soaps who are gay or lesbian, whether onscreen or off, are not out,
> and over the years have not been out.
>
So why would Diamont sabotage his own career years ago?
I'm not saying he is, I'm not saying he isn't. I'm just saying it's
unbelievable that he would come out "awknowleding" his bisexuality while
AIDS was at its full height. While homosexuality/bisexuality was SO
POLITICALLY INCORRECT. Like I said, I did a search on his name, and I have
not found one Gay or Bisexual group that claims him as one of their own.
Interestingly, I found a link to a California polictician named Dave Diamont
who is outwardly gay.
I think some of you may have confused the two.
Once again, I neither know or care if the actor is gay, bi, or whatever. I
just think that after doing extensive research, the actor has never said he
way bisexual. If you can point to a web site anywhere on the world wide web
that says that he has, I would appreciate it.
Donna L. Bridges
<9muji...@enews3.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
>Donna L. Bridges <shall...@aaahawk.com> wrote in message
>news:6q54ptgg1lnru0qqa...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:47:42 -0700, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
>
>Google is a search engine. It looks for articles posted on the Web that
>predate its existence. If you take a random name, Google might even show you
>that some Conneciticut person died in 1624. So, if Diamont outed himself,
>someone on the world wide web probably noticed it and wrote about it. I did
>an extensive search on his name, and I have not found one web site over the
>entire world wide web that remembers that Diamont outed himself.
Yes, I realize that & his outing of himself as a bisexual may easily
have pre-dated the World Wide Wait. Going back in time & uploading
things to the web that had already happened takes longer, somehow, is
lower on priority lists, etc. besides which, I am sure many fan sites,
which is one of the few WEB places you'd find it, as opposed to Usenet
[which Google only archives as of 1995], wouldn't put it up since he
has backpedaled on it somewhat.
> or maybe any number of things, but, he did
>> out himself as a bisexual & then later pulled a Nathan Lane
>
>Nathan Lane denied his homsexuality? When and where?
After he kinda outed himself, he kinda tried to climb right back into
the closet, and has since pretty much outed himself again. It was all
over the entertainment news at the time.
>Lots of people remembered the President of Proctor/Gamble "confessing" to
>Phil Donahue years ago that he admired Satan. Most of those people don't
>know each other, but if you talked to them today, they would probably assert
>dramatically and postively they saw it with their own eyes. But it never
>actually happened.
Could be, but, more likely they read that in some of the anti-P&G
propaganda that was put out. And, that did exist, the fallacious
allegations in print, letters, flyers, etc.
>> But, in many places it's well-known, yes, that he did out himself as a
>> bi-sexual & then later tried to re-in himself.
>
>In many places it's well known that the Loch Ness monster lives.
Whatever you say.
>> But, that's not a surprise. There are 2 CBS soap stars right now who
>> want to out themselves & their EP won't let them. Most of the people
>> in soaps who are gay or lesbian, whether onscreen or off, are not out,
>> and over the years have not been out.
>
>So why would Diamont sabotage his own career years ago?
Brave? Stupid? It's not known. But, I don't think it hurt his career
one bit. It may even have increased his allure. I do know that since
that time he was set up as a kind of a mentor to a younger soap actor
who handlers were trying to get back into a much more low profile
attitude about his homosexuality.
>I'm not saying he is, I'm not saying he isn't. I'm just saying it's
>unbelievable that he would come out "awknowleding" his bisexuality while
>AIDS was at its full height. While homosexuality/bisexuality was SO
>POLITICALLY INCORRECT. Like I said, I did a search on his name, and I have
>not found one Gay or Bisexual group that claims him as one of their own.
If you don't want to believe it, no one can make you. We undoubtedly
disagree about some of these side statements you're making but that's
another whole can of worms.
>Interestingly, I found a link to a California polictician named Dave Diamont
>who is outwardly gay.
>
>I think some of you may have confused the two.
Nope.
>Once again, I neither know or care if the actor is gay, bi, or whatever. I
>just think that after doing extensive research, the actor has never said he
>way bisexual. If you can point to a web site anywhere on the world wide web
>that says that he has, I would appreciate it.
Maybe you consider the World Wide Wait the be-all-and-end-all of info
& veracity, but, I don't. And, I've no intention of spending the time
trying to find *proof* for you. You're on your own. It's okay with me
if you don't believe it even if I know it to be true. <G> That's the
way it goes.
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"We keep moving forward, opening new doors, and doing new things,
because we're curious and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths."
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Donna L. Bridges
<20010902090627...@mb-fn.aol.com> rtj...@aol.com (RTJoby)
wrote:
>One thing that always gets me is how someone gay tries to hide it by pretending
>to have a crush on a well-known HOT celebrity.
This is something they are pushed, sometimes pressured to do by
handlers, publicists, producers, etc. who are convinced that their box
office, their TVQ, etc. would be destroyed if people knew.
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"Out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever
made." - Immanual Kant, quoted in _The Borderlands of Science_ by
Michael Shermer
Donna L. Bridges
<9mug0d$p3h$1...@dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu> Osei
<ward...@rac2.wam.umd.edu> wrote:
> In a Liz Smith column that appeared in the Baltimore Sun (major newspaper
>in my area of residence) nearly a decade ago. I have mentioned this a
>couple of times in this newsgroup before. I am aware Liz Smith is a gossip
>columninst, but Diamont's sexuality was presented as fact, not gossip,
>with (as I recall) an actual quote from Diamont indicating its
>truthfulness. This was a while ago (I was still in MIDDLE school when I
>read this) and I've never heard it mentioned since. But I DEFINITELY
>remember reading this because it shocked the hell out of me... Don Diamont
>doesn't exactly fit my 'perception' of gay or bi-sexual. He 'looks' like a
>ladies' man, was a standout athlete in high school, and I heard he's
>even posed for Playgirl...
Something serious going on with your perception then, LOL! He looked &
seemed just as much like it as the next one, with each of them being
individuals & there not being ONE way to be, so. <G>
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"I'd talk dirty if I talked about the mentality of network executives,
so I'd better not. Theirs is not a deep sincerity." - Dick Smothers,
interviewed at The Onion
Gail Weasel
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:40:33 -0700, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
> <9muji...@enews3.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
>
> >Donna L. Bridges <shall...@aaahawk.com> wrote in message
> >news:6q54ptgg1lnru0qqa...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:47:42 -0700, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
> >
> >Google is a search engine. It looks for articles posted on the Web that
> >predate its existence. If you take a random name, Google might even show
you
> >that some Conneciticut person died in 1624. So, if Diamont outed himself,
> >someone on the world wide web probably noticed it and wrote about it. I
did
> >an extensive search on his name, and I have not found one web site over
the
> >entire world wide web that remembers that Diamont outed himself.
>
> Yes, I realize that & his outing of himself as a bisexual may easily
Except, locigally, there are thousands of web sites who want to out gay
actors. Once agian, I'm telling you, after an extensive search, I have not
seen Diamont outed, or his outing himself.
Wait. Going back in time & uploading
> things to the web that had already happened takes longer, somehow, is
> lower on priority lists, etc. besides which, I am sure many fan sites,
> which is one of the few WEB places you'd find it, as opposed to Usenet
> [which Google only archives as of 1995], wouldn't put it up since he
> has backpedaled on it somewhat.
If Diamont outed himself as bi, it would have been all over the net and all
over the gay magazines. I've done a search on OUT magazine, I've read gay
magazines, and I've never read or heard that Diamont is bi. Once again, I
did a search on Diamont on search engines and no one says that he has outed
himself.
> > or maybe any number of things, but, he did
> >> out himself as a bisexual & then later pulled a Nathan Lane
> >
> >Nathan Lane denied his homsexuality? When and where?
>
> After he kinda outed himself, he kinda tried to climb right back into
> the closet, and has since pretty much outed himself again. It was all
> over the entertainment news at the time.
Like Diamont confessed he was bi? I'm a big Lane fan, and I know for a fact
that he came out and never went back. Read today's New York Times profile of
him.
> >Lots of people remembered the President of Proctor/Gamble "confessing" to
> >Phil Donahue years ago that he admired Satan. Most of those people don't
> >know each other, but if you talked to them today, they would probably
assert
> >dramatically and postively they saw it with their own eyes. But it never
> >actually happened.
>
> Could be, but, more likely they read that in some of the anti-P&G
> propaganda that was put out. And, that did exist, the fallacious
> allegations in print, letters, flyers, etc.
And fallacious articles exist about Diamont, about Davidson. Maybe you want
Diamont to be gay or bi, but your evidence that he is weak.
> >> But, in many places it's well-known, yes, that he did out himself as a
> >> bi-sexual & then later tried to re-in himself.
> >
> >In many places it's well known that the Loch Ness monster lives.
>
> Whatever you say.
Do you know you're going to a public newsgroup saying someone admitted to
being bi? When there is no evidence (except you're memory and the memory of
one or two others?) Do you have any idea how irresonsible you're being?)
> >> But, that's not a surprise. There are 2 CBS soap stars right now who
> >> want to out themselves & their EP won't let them. Most of the people
> >> in soaps who are gay or lesbian, whether onscreen or off, are not out,
> >> and over the years have not been out.
> >
> >So why would Diamont sabotage his own career years ago?
>
> Brave? Stupid? It's not known. But, I don't think it hurt his career
> one bit. It may even have increased his allure. I do know that since
> that time he was set up as a kind of a mentor to a younger soap actor
> who handlers were trying to get back into a much more low profile
> attitude about his homosexuality.
>
You have no real evidence that this actor is gay or bi. In real life, he's
married and has four sons, and you still insinuate that he is not bi, he is
gay, and he's into a "mentor" relationship with some young actor on the
soap! If you have inside information, spell it out, please.
> >I'm not saying he is, I'm not saying he isn't. I'm just saying it's
> >unbelievable that he would come out "awknowleding" his bisexuality while
> >AIDS was at its full height. While homosexuality/bisexuality was SO
> >POLITICALLY INCORRECT. Like I said, I did a search on his name, and I
have
> >not found one Gay or Bisexual group that claims him as one of their own.
>
> If you don't want to believe it, no one can make you.
LOL. I'm saying he's straight, and if you don't want to believe it, no one
can make youl. He lived with Gloria Loring when he was 23. He lives his life
as as a straight man. I've seen a couple of posts where he outed himself as
bi years ago, but a simple search by any search engine refutes it.
We undoubtedly
> disagree about some of these side statements you're making but that's
> another whole can of worms.
>
> >Interestingly, I found a link to a California polictician named Dave
Diamont
> >who is outwardly gay.
> >
> >I think some of you may have confused the two.
>
> Nope.
>
> >Once again, I neither know or care if the actor is gay, bi, or whatever.
I
> >just think that after doing extensive research, the actor has never said
he
> >way bisexual. If you can point to a web site anywhere on the world wide
web
> >that says that he has, I would appreciate it.
>
> Maybe you consider the World Wide Wait the be-all-and-end-all of info
> & veracity, but, I don't.
Yes, what you heard by the grapevine must trump my research. Laughing out
loud.
And, I've no intention of spending the time
> trying to find *proof* for you. You're on your own. It's okay with me
> if you don't believe it even if I know it to be true. <G> That's the
> way it goes.
>
Do ANY web search. No evidence at all that Diamont outed himself.
Sorry.
Blackbeard
But I DEFINITELY remember reading this because it shocked the hell out
of me... Don Diamont doesn't exactly fit my 'perception' of gay or
bi-sexual. He 'looks' like a ladies' man, was a standout athlete in high
school, and I heard he's even posed for Playgirl...
I have been enlightened by your comment. It "shocked the hell out of
me" to learn that you can spot gay and bisexual men by their looks,
looking like a mans' man I guess, and you can even verify that they are
gay or bisexual by confirming that they are lousy athletes who have
never posed for Playgirl.
Blackbeard
PS. Who do you think is reading those Playgirl mags anyway?
Donna L. Bridges
<9muq...@enews4.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
>Except, locigally, there are thousands of web sites who want to out gay
>actors. Once agian, I'm telling you, after an extensive search, I have not
>seen Diamont outed, or his outing himself.
Yes, you told us the results of your exhaustive web search.
>If Diamont outed himself as bi, it would have been all over the net and all
>over the gay magazines. I've done a search on OUT magazine, I've read gay
>magazines, and I've never read or heard that Diamont is bi. Once again, I
>did a search on Diamont on search engines and no one says that he has outed
>himself.
Yes, I don't think OUT magazine existed then, but, again, I heard what
you said, you heard what I said, hmmm, life is a circle without a
beginning? <G> Amazing when you think about it how many things are
around now that weren't around when this happened.
>> > or maybe any number of things, but, he did
>> >> out himself as a bisexual & then later pulled a Nathan Lane
>> >
>> >Nathan Lane denied his homsexuality? When and where?
>>
>> After he kinda outed himself, he kinda tried to climb right back into
>> the closet, and has since pretty much outed himself again. It was all
>> over the entertainment news at the time.
>
>Like Diamont confessed he was bi? I'm a big Lane fan, and I know for a fact
>that he came out and never went back. Read today's New York Times profile of
>him.
Uh, why would I want to do that? But, if you think that he came out &
never kinda tried to climb right back in the closet then you simply
have a different interpretation of events & statements during a
particular time period. Neither amazing nor rocket science.
>> >Lots of people remembered the President of Proctor/Gamble "confessing" to
BTW, FYI, it's P&G and it's Procter & Gamble, never a slash & never an
'o' near the end.
>> Could be, but, more likely they read that in some of the anti-P&G
>> propaganda that was put out. And, that did exist, the fallacious
>> allegations in print, letters, flyers, etc.
>
>And fallacious articles exist about Diamont, about Davidson. Maybe you want
>Diamont to be gay or bi, but your evidence that he is weak.
I have put forward no evidence as I have nothing to prove nor any
interest in whether he is bisexual or not, although I can't imagine
any reason he would have outed himself as bisexual if he weren't, even
though such confusion CAN happen. You're the one who seems to find
this an issue of right or wrong. Everyone else had either heard it &
been aware of it for many years or never had heard it, which is all
what you'd expect, no problemo.
>Do you know you're going to a public newsgroup saying someone admitted to
>being bi? When there is no evidence (except you're memory and the memory of
>one or two others?) Do you have any idea how irresonsible you're being?)
I'm not being irresponsible at all. I'm discussion things that are
known to have happened, discussed many places & my anecdotal
experience with it. You seem to think it's an accusation or something,
sounds ominous & like there may be a problem, but, not with my being
irresponsible. I think DD is fantastic, adore that he did this even if
he found it necessary to recant at some level & it came up here & I
reiterated what several other people were saying when they were being
challenged in what seemed to be a most unnecessarily hostile manner.
But, it's perfectly okay for us to have differing memories, knowledges
& experiences about this. I'm quite content with my knowledge on it &
you seem to be similarly happy with yours. But, I'm not trying to
somehow get on to you for what you think, or in this case, for what
you doubt & I'd appreciate a similar respect.
>> Brave? Stupid? It's not known. But, I don't think it hurt his career
>> one bit. It may even have increased his allure. I do know that since
>> that time he was set up as a kind of a mentor to a younger soap actor
>> who handlers were trying to get back into a much more low profile
>> attitude about his homosexuality.
>
>You have no real evidence that this actor is gay or bi. In real life, he's
>married and has four sons, and you still insinuate that he is not bi, he is
>gay, and he's into a "mentor" relationship with some young actor on the
>soap! If you have inside information, spell it out, please.
I have never insinuated that he's gay & as a matter of fact I don't
think he is, I think he is, as he himself said, many many years ago a
bisexual but that it is VERY likely & I have no reason to doubt that
he is a happily married man living a monogamous lifestyle. And, I've
done my utmost to make that VERY clear. I did, however, think it was 4
daughters he had, so if it's sons, I was wrong on that. I know their
family pictures are so gorgeous!
>> Maybe you consider the World Wide Wait the be-all-and-end-all of info
>> & veracity, but, I don't.
>
>Yes, what you heard by the grapevine must trump my research. Laughing out
>loud.
Could be IF I were talking about something I heard by the grapevine
which is NOT the case. But, it doesn't take much to trump someone's
research if it was limited to the web & search engines. However, it's
not been my aim to trump anyone's anything, simply to share with you
my absolutely unmistaken, but definitely anecdotal knowledge of what
came up here in something someone else got off onto. 'Tis a true shame
when people do this over other people's sharing, careful sharing
especially, of information, as that is the PRIMARY purpose of Usenet.
> And, I've no intention of spending the time
>> trying to find *proof* for you. You're on your own. It's okay with me
>> if you don't believe it even if I know it to be true. <G> That's the
>> way it goes.
>
>Do ANY web search. No evidence at all that Diamont outed himself.
>
>Sorry.
See above. <G>
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"Just because things are obvious doesn't mean they're true." - Terry
Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters, 1988
Gail Weasel
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:38:35 -0700, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
> <9muq...@enews4.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
>
> >Except, locigally, there are thousands of web sites who want to out gay
> >actors. Once agian, I'm telling you, after an extensive search, I have
not
> >seen Diamont outed, or his outing himself.
>
> Yes, you told us the results of your exhaustive web search.
Yes, and others can do what I did will likely come to the same conclusion as
I did. I just wanted to present another side of the story before lots of
people start spreading a rumor, which I believe to be unfounded. Once again,
the only Diamont I found to be gay was Dave Diamont, a state senator in
California.
> >If Diamont outed himself as bi, it would have been all over the net and
all
> >over the gay magazines. I've done a search on OUT magazine, I've read gay
> >magazines, and I've never read or heard that Diamont is bi. Once again, I
> >did a search on Diamont on search engines and no one says that he has
outed
> >himself.
>
> Yes, I don't think OUT magazine existed then, but, again, I heard what
> you said, you heard what I said, hmmm, life is a circle without a
> beginning? <G> Amazing when you think about it how many things are
> around now that weren't around when this happened.
No one in the gay media remembers this self-outing? He might not be a big
star but People named him one of most beautiful people in America not long
ago. Logically, many people would have used this opportunity to remind the
world that Diamont is bi.
Google can pull up lots of obscure information. It sorts through billions of
web sites, and I truly believe that Diamont had outted himself, there'd be
some evidence independnet of your and the other poster's memory.
Jay
There are 2 CBS soap stars right now who
> want to out themselves & their EP won't let them.
Who, Who, Who? E-mail me offlist if you like, Donna, but please, Who, Who, Who?
Cyndi Glass
--
cyndi
Rthrquiet
>Do ANY web search. No evidence at all that Diamont outed himself.
>
But Gail, the crux of your argument seems to be that "if this had actually
happened, it would *have* to be on the Internet somewhere." I'll gladly grant
your right to believe the Internet/World Wide Web is that infallible, or that
close to infallible, but let's at least acknowledge that another opinion is
possible. I don't know, first-hand, whether Diamont ever came out as bisexual
or not, but I certainly don't see its absence on the Web as proof that he
didn't, especially if the statement was made nearly 20 years ago. (Especially
since, pre-Luke and Laura, comparatively little attention was paid to soap
"stars" and what they did and said.) As I said, I don't know if he did or he
didn't say it (though I've known DonnaB for quite a while now, and if she said
she remembers it, that's reliable in my book--Donna will be the first to tell
you if she's not sure of her memory, can't really remember, etc.)--but the mere
fact that it doesn't show up in a Web search doesn't convince me the way it
does you.
Michael
Donna L. Bridges
<20010901162250...@mb-fl.aol.com> tcoop...@aol.comnope
(Lindy) wrote:
>James K. Meltzer said:
>
>>Yeah tell Alan Thicke that :=). Don singlehandedly broke up a thirteen year
>>marriage between Thicke and Loring with the affair
>
>Singlehandedly? Please tell me you're kidding. What, Gloria Loring had no
>part in it? It was all Don's doing?
None of us are in a position to know how much either of his hands had
to do with anything! <G> ba-dump-bah
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"You're not a good parent, if at some point you are not an
embarrassment to your children." - Malcom Forbes, Sr., [told by his
son, Malcom "Steve" Forbes, Jr., during a speech to the Christian
Coalition on 2 Oct '99; on C-SPAN]
Rthrquiet
What I was able to turn up in a relatively brief (about 30 minutes) search of
the Web is that the quote comes from a Liz Smith column from summer of 1992. I
went to the NY Post's website (that's the newspaper from which Liz Smith's
column originates) and their archives (online archives, at least) go back only
as far as 1998, so no way of verifying it online, at least that I can see.
Michael
ravelation
rthr...@aol.com (Rthrquiet) wrote:
>But Gail, the crux of your argument
>seems to be that "if this had actually
>happened, it would *have* to be on the
>Internet somewhere."
Something as juicy/gossipy as what's being discussed here would surely
have a place *somewhere* on the 'net. With so much "urban legend" stuff
floating around, don't you think this little tidbit would be divulged,
if not as fact, but as a hotly contested rumour? I find Gail's argument
and presentation very convincing.
The betting half of me thinks if someone were to find the factoid about
when this Dave Diamont, the politician, outted himself, methinks it
would be very close to when some people think Don Diamont outted
himself.
I'm not trying to discount memories, but 20 years ago is a long time
and, for a lot of us, would put us in our teens or early 20s. I don't
remember things too perfectly from that time, perhaps some others share
my affliction? ;)
To give you an example of "real memories", there are many on the various
Y&R boards that "know" they saw a scene where Ashley and John Abbott
have a conversation about him not being her real father. I "know" it
never happened. Who's right? Why, *me*, of course. :^)
(FTR, the show agrees with me, too.)
Ravl
Donna L. Bridges
<9995271...@irys.nyx.net> cgl...@nyx10.nyx.net (Cyndi Glass)
wrote:
>I don't care what his sexual preference is, but who is he?
He played Carlo Liz's boy toy in the 80s on DOOL, has done movies
including some very interesting ones & Brad on Y&R.
Hopefully none of us would judge him for his sexual identity as he
defined it.
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"No, no, don't go. I mean, would you mind? I could use some company
right now. You know, I want to have another one of these. And what'll
you have?" - Jake "Another one of those. Comforting people isn't
really one of my talents." - Greenlee, AMC, 2001
Victoria Lee Hirt
wrote:
>Except, locigally, there are thousands of web sites who want to out gay
>actors. Once agian, I'm telling you, after an extensive search, I have not
>seen Diamont outed, or his outing himself.
I read that he was bisexual years ago in a magazine. This was way
back when he and Nikki were going to get married.
Hella
Brad Carlton!! I don't care if he is bi-sexual or omni- sexual or
whatever,
Isn't he married and the father of a new baby??
Evidently he must be doing something right!!! ~Hella
George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.
"Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote in message
news:9muji...@enews3.newsguy.com...
In the NY Times, I think, on Saturday I am pretty sure, was a long and very
touching and intriguing piece on how Mr Lane is not actually happy, despite
his rip-roaring hit in The Producers, in which it indicated, as I vaguely
recall, that he felt at one point in his career that his homosexuality might
limit his roles. I don't recall that he DENIED his preference, but that he
sort of suppressed it. Of course now he says that he is seeing Matthew
Broderick, but that Matt won't put out - ssh - don't tell Matt's wife.
Is life a challenge or what, Ms Weasel?
Tuppence
"Blackbeard" <lur...@home.ca> wrote in message
news:3B92592E...@home.ca...
home beautiful women or good looking men .
Does this mean that his mother liked the men or his mother liked the women
he brought home. Couldn't the mother just like him best because he wasn't
a alcoholic.
Tuppence
Gail Weasel
Victoria "Lee" Hirt <hax...@scican.net> wrote in message
news:3b940aa3...@news2.reliable-net.net...
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:38:35 -0700, "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Except, locigally, there are thousands of web sites who want to out gay
> >actors. Once agian, I'm telling you, after an extensive search, I have
not
> I read that he was bisexual years ago in a magazine. This was way
> back when he and Nikki were going to get married.
Well, you have cleared it up for all of us. Brad is bisexual! The actor
playing Brad may or not be. Brad and Nikkie were going to be married 2 or 3
years ago. The other posters have said that Diamont outed himself years
ago--long before there was an Internet. Donna said that because he outed
himself pre-Internet, there was no reason for any World Wide Web site to
have something about Diamont being bi. (There is none. Not a hint of one And
when you consider how the gay media likes to out people...). Now you are
saying that you read in a magazine two or three years ago that Diamont had
outed himself. Funny that I can't find anything on the Web. I found an
article about Diamont from the early 80s when he was living with Gloria
Loring. But nothing, zero, zip about his being bi. I guess I'll go back to
google and search Brad Carleton.
Sounds like an urban myth to me.
Gail Weasel
Hella <Helt...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18308-3B...@storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> >Who is Dan Diamont?
>
> Brad Carlton!! I don't care if he is bi-sexual or omni- sexual or
> whatever,
Neither do I, and I should probably apologize for my contributions to this
thread. I'm a skeptic by nature, and when I read that "everyone knows" that
the actor outed himself years ago, my skeptic radar went off. I immediately
went to several searches engines and discovered that what "everyone knows"
cannot be found in the billions of bandwidth contributed to the Net. I don't
watch Y&R, I'm a certified liberal with absolutely no homophobic tendencies.
But I thought I recognized an urban myth when I saw one.
> Isn't he married and the father of a new baby??
He has four sons! I just hope that they are still not "trying" for a girl!
Sorry, kidding. What he does in his personal life is none of my business. Or
anyone else's here for that matter.
> Evidently he must be doing something right!!! ~Hella
He's doing something right!!! He's making a living and supporting his family
by being an actor (average wage something like $6000) and is involved in the
arts!
I'm a writer by trade. And because I am, I so admire actors. They can
breathe life in my work that I cannot. I admire everyone who makes a living
as an actor. Diamont seems good-looking, talented, socially responsible, and
can do a rare thing: bring life into what the writer writes.
I think it's fine that we gossip about them, but their jobs/life are so
tenuous. And I worry because some of them, some of their wives, some of
their children read these newsgroups. How would you like it if you turned
into this newsgroup and read that your husband outed himself as bi years ago
(and it was just a rumor)? What if your child was playing with the computer
and did a search on his dad's name and found "Don Diamont bisexual?")
I guess some would say that ANY publicity is okay as long as the name is
spelled right. LOL. In this case, it's not.
Gail Weasel
very
> touching and intriguing piece on how Mr Lane is not actually happy,
despite
> his rip-roaring hit in The Producers, in which it indicated, as I vaguely
> recall, that he felt at one point in his career that his homosexuality
might
> limit his roles. I don't recall that he DENIED his preference, but that he
> sort of suppressed it. Of course now he says that he is seeing Matthew
> Broderick, but that Matt won't put out - ssh - don't tell Matt's wife.
>
Parker would just let him! A few weeks from now, someone will post on Usenet
that Broderick admitted to being bi, thanks to your post.
Donna L. Bridges
<9n17j...@enews3.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
>Well, you have cleared it up for all of us. Brad is bisexual! The actor
>playing Brad may or not be. Brad and Nikkie were going to be married 2 or 3
>years ago. The other posters have said that Diamont outed himself years
>ago--long before there was an Internet. Donna said that because he outed
>himself pre-Internet, there was no reason for any World Wide Web site to
>have something about Diamont being bi.
Not what I said, but, FYI, the Internet pre-dates the web by several
decades. And, for something from the past to get onto the Web takes
someone scanning it & checking it or typing it up & checking it &
current & forward has a much better chance of being up on the web than
does past unless there's been a funded program to try to get it on
there. But, even at that, many of us are aware of reading about this
online as well as in real paper print not only back then but all along
in the ensuing, nearly 10 years. This isn't new at all. It's just new
to some people here likely because the tradition in RATS for a long
while was to avoid these discussions because some people took them the
wrong way. Voila. In some quarters of RATS that's been changing,
breath of fresh air, but, maybe not everywhere, ... yet.
>Sounds like an urban myth to me.
Well, it's not an urban myth, but, perhaps you'd want to get it
invesitgated by the urban mythers & then you MIGHT be satisfied. This
is why people don't usually talk about these kinds of things on RATS
because some soap fans apparently can't deal without getting so upset.
If anyone ever wants to try to learn more about something they read
about anywhere, great idea, but, please do not limit yourself to the
web & think that you have covered your bases. This concept is
terrifying to me that seemingly intelligent persons would try to use
the illogic about the web as a source for proving a negative that
we're seeing here. Nothing's harder than proving a negative & JUST the
web as proof is more than ludicrous, especially in something where
information has been known but protected for so long in this biz or
any biz like it. But, also, please, if it makes you somehow
uncomfortable to be confronted with this kind of information, just
ignore it & laugh & go on. No compelling reason not to; let the people
who enjoy it do so but don't let it bother you, really, whoever you
are. That's cool as cool can be. BUT, talking about someone who is
known to have outed themselves as a bisexual is in no way an
accusation of wrong-doing! The amount of judgment & assumption that is
going on here is a bit frightening here. I'm hoping people just aren't
thinking about what they're saying *also* says about their judgments
of bisexuals, who probably have more barriers thrown in front of them
than anyone else today, without extra. Especially since it's very
likely that in theory we are all of us bi-sexual on some level,
whether we would ever in this lifetime act on it or even identify it
in ourselves or not.
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"If only I could get that wonderful feeling of accomplishment, without
having to accomplish anything." - Ashleigh Brilliant
Donna L. Bridges
<9n18o...@enews3.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
>... I immediately
>went to several searches engines and discovered that what "everyone knows"
>cannot be found in the billions of bandwidth contributed to the Net.
Where's the quoting from? Did someone actually say that everyone knows
it? LOL, cute. If so, don't you think they were joking, using the
cliche on purpose? I can't say as I haven't seen anyone say that, but,
it could be a very feasible explanation.
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"How often does someone get canned for performing unwarranted surgery
with a power tool?!" - Chris Ramsey in response to an inquiry by Eve,
PC, 6/5/97
Donna L. Bridges
<5EVk7.6123$IP6.4...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "George Leroy
Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebi...@workmail.com> wrote:
>In the NY Times, I think, on Saturday I am pretty sure, was a long and very
>touching and intriguing piece on how Mr Lane is not actually happy, despite
>his rip-roaring hit in The Producers, in which it indicated, as I vaguely
>recall, that he felt at one point in his career that his homosexuality might
>limit his roles. I don't recall that he DENIED his preference, but that he
>sort of suppressed it. Of course now he says that he is seeing Matthew
>Broderick, but that Matt won't put out - ssh - don't tell Matt's wife.
There you go, Matthew Broderick & Sarah Jessica Parker, another of
those couples, rumored to mutually be bearding for each other! <G>
What an apt example to reach for! But, no neither of them has ever
outed themselves or been outed. Of course, most people have never been
outed & most people have never outed anyone & only a tiny percentage
of elevant people even believe in outing people & usually only in the
most egregious of circumstances.
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an
invincible summer." - Albert Camus, ACTUELLES [January 6, 1960]
MsLiz
<shall...@aaahawk.com> was sworn in and testified:
>On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:54:30 -0700, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
><9n18o...@enews3.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
>
>>... I immediately
>>went to several searches engines and discovered that what "everyone knows"
>>cannot be found in the billions of bandwidth contributed to the Net.
>
>Where's the quoting from? Did someone actually say that everyone knows
>it? LOL, cute. If so, don't you think they were joking, using the
>cliche on purpose? I can't say as I haven't seen anyone say that, but,
>it could be a very feasible explanation.
Okay ya'll, time to cut it out.
God help us all if there is a master list of every one we ever had
sexual contact with is named on the internet. However, I can see
J.Edgar Hoover keeping a database like that, but he's not around
anymore.
Howabout letting this thread die.
MsLiz
Phil R.
>>Who is Dan Diamont?
>
>Brad Carlton!!
You're mistaken. That would be *Don* Diamont, silly.
--Phil
Donna L. Bridges
<17990-3B...@storefull-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
ravel...@webtv.net (ravelation) wrote:
>Something as juicy/gossipy as what's being discussed here would surely
>have a place *somewhere* on the 'net. With so much "urban legend" stuff
>floating around, don't you think this little tidbit would be divulged,
>if not as fact, but as a hotly contested rumour? I find Gail's argument
>and presentation very convincing.
You'll find it being discussed on Usenet way back & along, coming back
up, but, then, you also find urban myths doing that, too. Just that
they are out there & just that they come up from time to time doesn't
per se mean they are real, they could be Memorex, they could be real.
A case by case analysis is required as there's no one blanket you can
throw over it & call it logic. <G> Good try, though. However, this is
the first time I've ever seen it contested! LOL
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"You can delegate authority, but not responsibility." - Stephen W.
Comiskey
Donna L. Bridges
<20010903111944...@mb-ml.aol.com> rthr...@aol.com
(Rthrquiet) wrote:
>... As I said, I don't know if he did or he
>didn't say it (though I've known DonnaB for quite a while now, and if she said
>she remembers it, that's reliable in my book--Donna will be the first to tell
>you if she's not sure of her memory, can't really remember, etc.)--but the mere
>fact that it doesn't show up in a Web search doesn't convince me the way it
>does you.
Thanks, Michael, the irony is not lost on me given the hoops I go
through at times to be very clear about what I am saying & what I'm
not saying. <G> As well as the proven record of times I say, 'Oops, I
got that wrong, sorry, darn,' etc., etc. And, cool of you to find the
Liz Smith 1992 item.
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"No one can evade the fact, that in taking up a masculine calling,
studying and working in a man's way, woman is doing something not
wholly in agreement with, if not directly injurious to, her feminine
way." - Carl Jung
Donna L. Bridges
<3b9464a6...@news.mindspring.com> lizg...@mindspring.commotion
(MsLiz) wrote:
>Okay ya'll, time to cut it out.
>
>God help us all if there is a master list of every one we ever had
>sexual contact with is named on the internet. However, I can see
>J.Edgar Hoover keeping a database like that, but he's not around
>anymore.
>
>Howabout letting this thread die.
Well, okay, if it means that much to you. <G>
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"A life isn't significant except for its impact on other lives." -
Jackie Robinson
Osei
: Donna L. Bridges <shall...@aaahawk.com> wrote in message
: news:beu5ptg3nualtvgcp...@4ax.com...
:> On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:38:35 -0700, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
:> <9muq...@enews4.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
:>
:> >Except, locigally, there are thousands of web sites who want to out gay
:> >actors. Once agian, I'm telling you, after an extensive search, I have
: not
:> >seen Diamont outed, or his outing himself.
:>
:> Yes, you told us the results of your exhaustive web search.
: Yes, and others can do what I did will likely come to the same conclusion as
: I did. I just wanted to present another side of the story before lots of
: people start spreading a rumor, which I believe to be unfounded.
Gail, Don Diamont is bisexual... others have read it and I *know* I've
read an actual quote from Diamont himself admitting his sexuality. This is
no absurd Loch Ness monster/'Eileen Davidson is a man!' urban myth. The
World Wide Web is VERY comprehensive, but your assumption that it is
ALL-inclusive is false. Believe it or not, there are numerous tidbits of
personal information about celebrities, politicians, etc. that have (for
whatever reason) escaped the Web's wrath. Last night, I did an extensive
Internet and newspaper database search (a database which dates back ~10
years searching all of the major newspapers in the country) on B&B
star Susan Flannery and could find only ONE website (which I posted in
another thread in this ng) mentioning Flannery's homosexuality, yet
it is a known FACT that Susan Flannery is a lesbian. Thus, it is not
unreasonable that there would be NO Internet sites outing Don Diamont as
bisexual especially since, according to DonnaB, he has apparently tried to
"re-in" himself and has been living the last few years of his life married
with 4 kids (only 2 of whom he is the biological father, BTW). In any
case, a search of the web that fails to mention Diamont's bisexuality is
FAR from a "refutation" that Dan Diamont is bisexual (as you claimed in a
previous post); it is merely a failure to confirm what myself and others
on this ng have already confirmed...
You've also implied in other posts, Gail, that Diamont living with Gloria
Loring when he was 23 and his current marriage (w/4 kids) precludes him
from being a bisexual because he "lives his life like a straight man." It
is ignorant to assume that Diamont CAN'T be bisexual because of previous
romances with women and his current marriage, especially since bisexuality
implies sexual orientation towards both men AND women. Bisexuality and
homosexuality are two different things... Diamont is known to have dated
men (as well as women) before his relationship with Gloria Loring in the
early/mid 80s, he has ADMITTED this much in articles I (and others,
apparently) have read. It's possible (though I don't know this for a
fact) that Diamont is a bisexual who prefers women over men, which could
explain your perception that he "lives his life as a straight man."...
: Once again, the only Diamont I found to be gay was Dave Diamont, a
: state senator in California.
Can you provide proof (a link) for this claim? Earlier tonight, I did an
extensive web and newspaper database search on Dave Diamont and there were
NO articles or websites mentioning a Senator Dave Diamont from California
that is outwardly gay. The only Dave Diamont I found is a former House
representative from North Carolina (and he is not gay). Does the fact that
I could find no mention of a gay Senator Diamont from California on any
website PROVE that this senator doesn't exist? Certainly not... yet you
claim that the lack of websites discussing Diamont's bisexuality is
virtual proof that he is not a bisexual...
:> >If Diamont outed himself as bi, it would have been all over the net and
: all
:> >over the gay magazines. I've done a search on OUT magazine, I've read gay
:> >magazines, and I've never read or heard that Diamont is bi. Once again, I
:> >did a search on Diamont on search engines and no one says that he has
: outed
:> >himself.
:>
:> Yes, I don't think OUT magazine existed then, but, again, I heard what
:> you said, you heard what I said, hmmm, life is a circle without a
:> beginning? <G> Amazing when you think about it how many things are
:> around now that weren't around when this happened.
: No one in the gay media remembers this self-outing? He might not be a big
: star but People named him one of most beautiful people in America not long
: ago. Logically, many people would have used this opportunity to remind the
: world that Diamont is bi.
People are not NECESSARILY waiting to dish out the dirt and out Diamont
just because he is a second-tier soap star who was featured once in People
magazine... that is just an assumption on your part. Susan Flannery, a
more accomplished, Golden Globe and Emmy award winning actress is known to
be a lesbian, yet the VAST majority of Bold and the Beautiful viewers are
probably not even aware of this fact as it has rarely been publicized (I
myself was not aware of her sexuality until a couple of months ago)...
: Google can pull up lots of obscure information. It sorts through billions of
: web sites, and I truly believe that Diamont had outted himself, there'd be
: some evidence independnet of your and the other poster's memory.
By my count, there are *5* different posters in this thread alone who
read about Don Diamont' sexuality, not just Donna and some "other
poster." I am very young (relative to the rest of this group), but have
been reading this newsgroup for over 5 years and DonnaB has been a regular
the whole time. I have found her to be very credible and VERY
knowledgeable about soap opera celebrities and soap operas in general. I
can't imagine her posting false information, especially when I (and 3
others in this thread) have read the same info presented as FACT (not
gossip) and know it to be true...
Osei
--
'I'm a GROWN-ass man, dawg...'
--Cedric the Entertainer (Kings of Comedy)
Gail Weasel
> Loring when he was 23 and his current marriage (w/4 kids) precludes him
> from being a bisexual because he "lives his life like a straight man."
I didn't say that. That's a misattribution. I have been very careful. I know
it's possible for bis and evey gays to be married to someone of the opposite
sex. For all I know Diamont is bi. I just said I haven't found any evidence
for it.
Josey
every day doesn't mean he denies it. He's a great entertainer and really,
who cares who is or isn't? It doesn't seem to matter now anyway-Back when I
was a kid David Bowie and Rod Stewart both had embarrassing gay type stories
printed about them (Rod's had something to do with passing out on stage and
a large amount of a certain male liquid substance was found in his stomach
that no straight man would have...hint hint) Yet both men married and had
kids. Bowie is still married, and is a new father. So, who cares?!? Isn't
Don Diamont married with kids? I swear I read a SOD article about his
family...maybe one kid has a handicap-if I remember right. Not sure on that
part.
"Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote in message
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>
> Donna L. Bridges <shall...@aaahawk.com> wrote in message
> news:0co5pt8hffbhieugc...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:40:33 -0700, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
> > <9muji...@enews3.newsguy.com> "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Donna L. Bridges <shall...@aaahawk.com> wrote in message
> > >news:6q54ptgg1lnru0qqa...@4ax.com...
> > >> On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:47:42 -0700, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
> > >
> > >Google is a search engine. It looks for articles posted on the Web that
> > >predate its existence. If you take a random name, Google might even
show
> you
> > >that some Conneciticut person died in 1624. So, if Diamont outed
himself,
> > >someone on the world wide web probably noticed it and wrote about it. I
> did
> > >an extensive search on his name, and I have not found one web site over
> the
> > >entire world wide web that remembers that Diamont outed himself.
> >
> > Yes, I realize that & his outing of himself as a bisexual may easily
> > have pre-dated the World Wide .
>
> Except, locigally, there are thousands of web sites who want to out gay
> actors. Once agian, I'm telling you, after an extensive search, I have not
> seen Diamont outed, or his outing himself.
>
> Wait. Going back in time & uploading
> > things to the web that had already happened takes longer, somehow, is
> > lower on priority lists, etc. besides which, I am sure many fan sites,
> > which is one of the few WEB places you'd find it, as opposed to Usenet
> > [which Google only archives as of 1995], wouldn't put it up since he
> > has backpedaled on it somewhat.
>
> If Diamont outed himself as bi, it would have been all over the net and
all
> over the gay magazines. I've done a search on OUT magazine, I've read gay
> magazines, and I've never read or heard that Diamont is bi. Once again, I
> did a search on Diamont on search engines and no one says that he has
outed
> himself.
>
> > > or maybe any number of things, but, he did
> > >> out himself as a bisexual & then later pulled a Nathan Lane
> > >
> > >Nathan Lane denied his homsexuality? When and where?
> >
> > After he kinda outed himself, he kinda tried to climb right back into
> > the closet, and has since pretty much outed himself again. It was all
> > over the entertainment news at the time.
>
> Like Diamont confessed he was bi? I'm a big Lane fan, and I know for a
fact
> that he came out and never went back. Read today's New York Times profile
of
> him.
>
> > >Lots of people remembered the President of Proctor/Gamble "confessing"
to
> > >Phil Donahue years ago that he admired Satan. Most of those people
don't
> > >know each other, but if you talked to them today, they would probably
> assert
> > >dramatically and postively they saw it with their own eyes. But it
never
> > >actually happened.
> >
> > Could be, but, more likely they read that in some of the anti-P&G
> > propaganda that was put out. And, that did exist, the fallacious
> > allegations in print, letters, flyers, etc.
>
> And fallacious articles exist about Diamont, about Davidson. Maybe you
want
> Diamont to be gay or bi, but your evidence that he is weak.
>
> > >> But, in many places it's well-known, yes, that he did out himself as
a
> > >> bi-sexual & then later tried to re-in himself.
> > >
> > >In many places it's well known that the Loch Ness monster lives.
> >
> > Whatever you say.
>
> Do you know you're going to a public newsgroup saying someone admitted to
> being bi? When there is no evidence (except you're memory and the memory
of
> one or two others?) Do you have any idea how irresonsible you're being?)
>
> > >> But, that's not a surprise. There are 2 CBS soap stars right now who
> > >> want to out themselves & their EP won't let them. Most of the people
> > >> in soaps who are gay or lesbian, whether onscreen or off, are not
out,
> > >> and over the years have not been out.
> > >
> > >So why would Diamont sabotage his own career years ago?
> >
> > Brave? Stupid? It's not known. But, I don't think it hurt his career
> > one bit. It may even have increased his allure. I do know that since
> > that time he was set up as a kind of a mentor to a younger soap actor
> > who handlers were trying to get back into a much more low profile
> > attitude about his homosexuality.
> >
>
> You have no real evidence that this actor is gay or bi. In real life, he's
> married and has four sons, and you still insinuate that he is not bi, he
is
> gay, and he's into a "mentor" relationship with some young actor on the
> soap! If you have inside information, spell it out, please.
>
> > >I'm not saying he is, I'm not saying he isn't. I'm just saying it's
> > >unbelievable that he would come out "awknowleding" his bisexuality
while
> > >AIDS was at its full height. While homosexuality/bisexuality was SO
> > >POLITICALLY INCORRECT. Like I said, I did a search on his name, and I
> have
> > >not found one Gay or Bisexual group that claims him as one of their
own.
> >
> > If you don't want to believe it, no one can make you.
>
> LOL. I'm saying he's straight, and if you don't want to believe it, no one
> can make youl. He lived with Gloria Loring when he was 23. He lives his
life
> as as a straight man. I've seen a couple of posts where he outed himself
as
> bi years ago, but a simple search by any search engine refutes it.
>
> We undoubtedly
> > disagree about some of these side statements you're making but that's
> > another whole can of worms.
> >
> > >Interestingly, I found a link to a California polictician named Dave
> Diamont
> > >who is outwardly gay.
> > >
> > >I think some of you may have confused the two.
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > >Once again, I neither know or care if the actor is gay, bi, or
whatever.
> I
> > >just think that after doing extensive research, the actor has never
said
> he
> > >way bisexual. If you can point to a web site anywhere on the world wide
> web
> > >that says that he has, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Maybe you consider the World Wide Wait the be-all-and-end-all of info
> > & veracity, but, I don't.
>
> Yes, what you heard by the grapevine must trump my research. Laughing out
> loud.
>
> And, I've no intention of spending the time
> > trying to find *proof* for you. You're on your own. It's okay with me
> > if you don't believe it even if I know it to be true. <G> That's the
> > way it goes.
> >
>
> Do ANY web search. No evidence at all that Diamont outed himself.
>
> Sorry.
> > DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
> >
> > "We keep moving forward, opening new doors, and doing new things,
> > because we're curious and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths."
> > - Walt Disney (1901-1966) US movie, producer
>
>
Donna L. Bridges
<vE4l7.17369$Kv5.229...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> "Josey"
<josey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>... It doesn't seem to matter now anyway-Back when I
>was a kid David Bowie and Rod Stewart both had embarrassing gay type stories
>printed about them ...
(Rod's had something to do with passing out on stage and
>a large amount of a certain male liquid substance was found in his stomach
>that no straight man would have...hint hint)
This is an infamous urban myth.
>Yet both men married and had kids.
Is there something fundamental that people aren't understanding about
what bisexual means?
>Bowie is still married, and is a new father.
And, David Bowie as well as his first wife have both definitely outed
him as a bisexual.
>So, who cares?!? Isn't
>Don Diamont married with kids? I swear I read a SOD article about his
>family...maybe one kid has a handicap-if I remember right. Not sure on that
>part.
Simply amazing. Yes, he's married & has kids, no question about it,
not that that has ANYTHING at all to do with whether he is bisexual or
not or outed himself as such or not. Totally possible to be married
&/or have children & be a bisexual by self-identification.
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"They are just a bunch of people with no lives." - Natalie, OLTL,
8/01, a tweak to some fans?
Josey
senior in HS, I was listening to Larry Lujack on WLS (Ex huge radio station
in Chicago) when he announced it as part of the daily headlines-and it made
the papers. My father even used it to ridicule my taste in music. "You'd
never hear about Charlie Daniels doing something disgusting like that!" He
collapsed from drugs or exaustion, the other was something found when they
pumped his stomach.
"Donna L. Bridges" <shall...@aaahawk.com> wrote in message
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Donna L. Bridges
<qk8l7.24196$C64.351...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com> "Josey"
<josey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Urban myth my ass-I remember exactly when it happened. I was a junior or
>senior in HS, I was listening to Larry Lujack on WLS (Ex huge radio station
>in Chicago) when he announced it as part of the daily headlines-and it made
>the papers. My father even used it to ridicule my taste in music. "You'd
>never hear about Charlie Daniels doing something disgusting like that!" He
>collapsed from drugs or exaustion, the other was something found when they
>pumped his stomach.
Yes, it's been reported about him & 5 or 6 other rockers.
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"But she's okay. She's with Jack." - Lucy "Jack is a vampire, Lucy." -
Kevin, PC, August 2001, Tainted Love
Jay
There are 2 CBS soap stars right now who
> want to out themselves & their EP won't let them.
I watched a CBS soap opera today. The guys who play Danny, Alan or Ross?
Also, why do they want to out themselves?
Jimmy Murphy
"Josey" <josey...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qk8l7.24196$C64.351...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> Urban myth my ass-I remember exactly when it happened. I was a junior or
> senior in HS, I was listening to Larry Lujack on WLS (Ex huge radio
station
> in Chicago) when he announced it as part of the daily headlines-and it
made
> the papers. My father even used it to ridicule my taste in music. "You'd
> never hear about Charlie Daniels doing something disgusting like that!" He
> collapsed from drugs or exaustion, the other was something found when they
> pumped his stomach.
There are DJ's on our local radio station who do a semi-daily "Hollywood
Update" segment in their morning show. They literally read the gossip pages
from "The Star," the "Enquirer," and the "Globe" aloud, word-for-word.
Hardly the bastions of journalistic integrity, but they make for good radio,
and since it's supposed to be "entertainment" they don't have to adhere to
any rules about censoring such things (short of anything
libelous/slanderous, but since someone else wrote it, they would not get
sued, but I digress). I have no way of knowing if the DJ you mentioned was
reading out of a tabloid or off the AP wire, but I'm simply saying "don't
believe everything you hear on the radio" because these people can get their
"material" from dubious sources.
Jimmy
cka...@erinet.com
>Okay ya'll, time to cut it out.
>God help us all if there is a master list of every one we ever had
>sexual contact with is named on the internet. However, I can see
>J.Edgar Hoover keeping a database like that, but he's not around
>anymore.
>Howabout letting this thread die.
>MsLiz
Hey, if you've handled a penny, they've got your DNA. Why do you
think they keep them in circulation? (Thank you Chief Wiggum.) But
honestly, yes, let it go. The horse is dead, and the jockey is in
critical condition.
Cheryl 8-)
Josey
if it was in the Sun Times (Very Enquirer like) I would doubt it. Larry
Lujack wasn't a shock jock-he was very tame-retired now I'm sure, his style
was closer to Imus than Stern. There were shock jocks in Chicago at the
time-Steve Dahl and Garry Meyer come to mind. Steve Dahl is the jock who
did the big "Disco Sucks" thing where they blew up a huge pile of disco
records at Wrigley Field-he also got a vasectomy on the air.
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Victoria Lee Hirt
wrote:
>Sounds like an urban myth to me.
Who cares besides you? What is your problem anyway?
Gail Weasel
I'm a skeptic. Sue me.
Victoria Lee Hirt
wrote:
>
>Victoria "Lee" Hirt <hax...@scican.net> wrote in message
>news:3b9884ed...@news2.reliable-net.net...
>> On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:34:39 -0700, "Gail Weasel" <gai...@jps.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Sounds like an urban myth to me.
>>
>> Who cares besides you? What is your problem anyway?
>
>I'm a skeptic. Sue me.
So you're a skeptic. But why on earth make such a big deal out of it?
If you really didn't think it was true, then shouldn't you have just
voiced that and then dropped it. Now you've made it into a major
thread and given this issue a lot of attention.
Jay
No, that would be thanks to your post.
Donna L. Bridges
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(Jay) wrote:
Well, I don't really know. I imagine if they were allowed to do so,
they'd tell why. I know one of them wanted to do so last year,
sometime in the fall, I think, so I suppose it could have been near
National Come Out day, etc. but, she wanted to do it as a kind of a
tip of the hat to the wonderful coming out story that was being played
out then on AMC.
Personally I think they're in the dark ages in thinking that soap fans
couldn't handle it if their people came out.
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John Gault
says...
> >E-mail only. Most of the gay people in soaps have had it kept out of
> >the soap press & some have had it kept out of any press, period. Yes,
> >it's true, but, not widely known outside of certain entertainment,
> >gossip, lesbian, etc. circles. Rita Mae Brown semi-outed Susan
> >Flannery in an auto-biography when she talked about an affair she had
> >with Fanny Flagg & made reference to the woman who had been with Flagg
> >for many years. That woman, a Blind Item sorta, is Susan Flannery.
> >Plus, another actress & a producer at B&B had a fight over her on set
> >some years ago on set. That actress is I dunno where now, that female
> >producer is at another West Coast soap & Flannery is still at B&B. Of
> >course, just watching Flannery when she is herself helps to illustrate
> >this, when she's out of Stephanie's wig & costume & in her own short,
> >spiky hair & women's tuxedos, etc.
> >Long long list of gay people in soaps. Very surprised if you'd know
> >most of them if you don't know Flannery since she is [now] one of the
> >least obscure, of the obscure.
>
Wow! I didn't realize that Stephanie was a homosexual. Where can I see
pictures of her as she looks away from her job?
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John Gault
ward...@rac2.wam.umd.edu says...
> In a Liz Smith column that appeared in the Baltimore Sun (major newspaper
> in my area of residence) nearly a decade ago. I have mentioned this a
> couple of times in this newsgroup before. I am aware Liz Smith is a gossip
> columninst, but Diamont's sexuality was presented as fact, not gossip,
> with (as I recall) an actual quote from Diamont indicating its
> truthfulness. This was a while ago (I was still in MIDDLE school when I
> read this) and I've never heard it mentioned since. But I DEFINITELY
> remember reading this because it shocked the hell out of me... Don Diamont
> doesn't exactly fit my 'perception' of gay or bi-sexual. He 'looks' like a
> ladies' man, was a standout athlete in high school, and I heard he's
> even posed for Playgirl...
>
>
> Sarah J. Parker <z...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
> : where did you read this ?
>
>
> : Osei wrote:
>
> :>This actually shocked me more than finding out a few years
> :>ago that Dan Diamont (Brad Carlton, Y&R) is bi-sexual...
>
>
> Osei
>
You don't say! Our man Brad is a pillow biter huh?
DASBABY932
I just love the idea of a B&B actress and some producer fighting over Susan
Flannery. That's just hysterical. I'm assuming the actress was the chick who
played "Caroline" since practically every soap opera board pegged her as gay
and she did some indie film stuff with Flannery and cited her as a mentor. Who
the producer could be I haven't a clue, unless the producer is a guy.
As to Flannery's appearance, I've seen soap mag pics of her more "au naturale".
There's not a huge, striking difference, since she's the pantsuit queen on B&B
anyhow. Just short gray/blonde hair about the same texture as "Stephanie's"
and no make-up (she's pale, and toss in some rosacea). She's not an oil
painting but it's not scary. About the same impact as when she's in full B&B
drag.
Donna L. Bridges
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Hey, you, yes, you, wicked you, you live around here, right? Check in,
are you okay today?
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Donna L. Bridges
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(DASBABY932) wrote:
Stephanie is such a matron & Susan appears to be so kickAss. <G>
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