Y&R- There Appears To Be More Realism Lately
ravelation
feeling about Y&R of late, but it feels like there's more 'regular life'
kinda stuff happening on the show.
Take for example....Jill in sweats. She looks great for a woman in her
50's, huh?
Also, Nick and Diego sharing some beers and guy talk. I've noticed a
more relaxed tone with Nikki and Victor as well. I like it.
How about you?
Ravl
Tuulia Fuller
[snipped]
> I've noticed a
> more relaxed tone with Nikki and Victor as well. I like it.
> How about you?
>
> Ravl
There is no way I would ever like Nikki and Victor in any kind of
storyline, except maybe where he will end up in the homeless shelter or
the death row, and Nikki turns her back to him for good. I find it very
tiring and annoying that once again Nikki's life has to center around
the most selfish, arrogant, wrinkled old mumbler ever on any show. "It"
(the mumbler) is like an old chewing gum stuck on Nikki's sole (soul??).
She can't take one step anywhere without Victor being there.
Hasn't this pair's romance been beaten to death many times over already?
No, I don't like any tone between these two. I like Nikki the way she
had become, an independent business woman. This nonsense is very
degrading to her.
Tuulia
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Mommarella
>I don't know if that's the right word to use to describe what I'm
>feeling about Y&R of late, but it feels like there's more 'regular life'
>kinda stuff happening on the show
All I know is that I'm enjoying the show very much now. I haven't ff anything
lately, and I know a lot of adults here don't like the teen stories but I just
love them. Maybe it's more interesting to me because I'm around teens a lot.
I'm getting a kick out of Brittany--she's kind of ticked off at herself for
liking Raul because she has always thought she was so above him. And I think JT
is a gem--so glad he's on more now. I like the fact that Ashley has to sit
there and listen to her brother talk about how he's going after custody of his
son--she must have such mixed emotions about that, considering the same thing
could happen to her. I'm kind of hoping Jill has a fling with Larry while she's
teaching him how to be a gentleman. Poor Sean--I just can't see him with Jill
for some reason.
Mary
Linda Kachur
> more relaxed tone with Nikki and Victor as well. I like it.
>
This realism is very endearing especially the embarrassment Victoria caused
over her anxiety with her parent's pairing up again. Funny, but it seems
to be the most natural thing in the world for Nikki and Victor to be
together again. This time around, Nikki doesn't seem to be drowning
herself in the swoon. I hated it when these two went separate ways and did
it with other people: Nikki with Brad (sleezy) and Victor with Ramona (ugh)
and not to forget Victor with Trisha (ugh plus plus).
Nick is appearing to be more average and human with other guys. And what
about that Sean's reaction to his wife's screwed up antics?
Madeupagin
(Mommarella) writes:
>I like the fact that Ashley has to sit
>there and listen to her brother talk about how he's going after custody of
>his
>son--she must have such mixed emotions about that, considering the same thing
>could happen to her.
Ok. I missed the revelation, if there was one, WHO WAS THE SPERM DONOR?! I
know it wasn't that dude from Paris, on the cruise, but WHO was it?
Copyright 2002 -- Tere
Thanks for noticing me. ~~ Eeyore
ravelation
madeu...@aol.com (Madeupagin)
wrote:
>Ok. I missed the revelation,
errr, don'tcha mean 'ravelation'? Let's be sure to check our spelling,
little missy! ;)
>if there was one, WHO WAS THE
>SPERM DONOR?!
Shhhhh. Don't tell Phil. But, baby Abby is going to turn out to be
Victor's. Ashley is a slimy, underhanded, sperm stealing, breast cancer
victim....
Ravl
Anthony D. Langford
>teaching him how to be a gentleman. Poor Sean--I just can't see him with Jill
>for some reason.
When Larry accepted Jill's offer all I could think was: she's gonna screw him
LITERALLY. Given their antipathy for one another, it's bound to happen. And
how much you wanna bet when the affair is blazing at it's highest, Katherine
finds out, tells Sean and he dumps Jill... and reignites that old fued between
the two?
Anthony D. Langford
Creator and Writer of Covington Bay--An Online Soap Opera
http://www.covingtonbay.com
ravelation
momma...@aol.com (Mommarella)
wrote:
>and I know a lot of adults here don't like
>the teen stories but I just love them.
I've been enjoying them a lot more lately, too. They've managed to
bridge the gap for us <gulp> 'older generation' folks. <gag>
>Maybe it's more interesting to me
>because I'm around teens a lot. I'm
>getting a kick out of Brittany--she's kind
>of ticked off at herself for liking Raul
>because she has always thought she
>was so above him.
This has been so delicious! You've described her feelings quite well,
too.
As I watch them, I think to myself "Too bad there's so many who are ff
because of what they *think* is going on. They're missing out on some
great scenes."
>And I think JT is a gem--so glad he's on
>more now.
He's got a great look to him. I'm curious to see where his story will
head. It's hard to picture Mac and him together. <cue recast music
-here->
>I like the fact that Ashley has to sit there
>and listen to her brother talk about how
>he's going after custody of his son--she
>must have such mixed emotions about
>that, considering the same thing could
>happen to her.
I hadn't thought about this. You're an astute watcher! I thought she was
so amazing in her final shot of Wednesday.
Her intropective look while she was picturing what it would be like
without a breast was short of amazing. I'm getting choked up thinking
about it.
>I'm kind of hoping Jill has a fling with
>Larry while she's teaching him how to
>be a gentleman.
No one had responded when I started a thread about how cute it was they
"matched" wearing the same color. Larry's shirt was the exact color of
Jill's sweat suit. I wonder if it means they will end up horizontal
with each other?
>Poor Sean--I just can't see him with Jill
>for some reason.
Actually, this is the first time they've been able to convince me that
it's possible. Sean's no glass look is so much better and he seems to
have settled a bit more into the character. Whatever, I'm so glad the
writers saw fit to make Sean and Larry friends. It's tied a nice
grouping of characters together. Let the games begin!
I can see it now-- Jill and Kay will be fighting for Larry's attention!
Both of them seem smitten with him.
Ravl
Chris Henderson
> In article <20020403233548...@mb-mq.aol.com>, momma...@aol.com
> (Mommarella) writes:
>
> >I like the fact that Ashley has to sit
> >there and listen to her brother talk about how he's going after custody of
> >his
> >son--she must have such mixed emotions about that, considering the same thing
> >could happen to her.
>
> Ok. I missed the revelation, if there was one, WHO WAS THE SPERM DONOR?! I
> know it wasn't that dude from Paris, on the cruise, but WHO was it?
We still don't know, but the common belief around here (by everyone
other than Phil, that is) is that Victor is Abby's father. And he
will never sue for custody because he doesn't even know!
chenders
Chris Henderson
> >From: ravel...@webtv.net (ravelation)
>
> >I don't know if that's the right word to use to describe what I'm
> >feeling about Y&R of late, but it feels like there's more 'regular life'
> >kinda stuff happening on the show
>
> All I know is that I'm enjoying the show very much now. I haven't ff anything
> lately, and I know a lot of adults here don't like the teen stories but I just
> love them. Maybe it's more interesting to me because I'm around teens a lot.
> I'm getting a kick out of Brittany--she's kind of ticked off at herself for
> liking Raul because she has always thought she was so above him. And I think JT
> is a gem--so glad he's on more now.
I can't say that I like watching all the teens all the time. I can't
stand the new Mac, and don't really care what happens to her, Billy,
Danielle and JT, but I am really enjoying Raul and Brittany.
> I like the fact that Ashley has to sit
> there and listen to her brother talk about how he's going after custody of his
> son--she must have such mixed emotions about that, considering the same thing
> could happen to her.
Only if the true identity of Abby's father is ever revealed, which may
or may not happen. If Abby's father is Victor, then Ashley has
nothing to worry about because there is no way he will ever find out,
unless SHE tells him, which is not likely to happen.
> I'm kind of hoping Jill has a fling with Larry while she's
> teaching him how to be a gentleman. Poor Sean--I just can't see him with Jill
> for some reason.
Yeah, I hope that Jill falls for Larry too. As for Sean, I don't care
what happens to him. He's trying to turn Jill into a better person.
Too bad he hasn't yet realized he's fighting a losing battle!
chenders
Madeupagin
ravel...@webtv.net (ravelation) writes:
>Shhhhh. Don't tell Phil. But, baby Abby is going to turn out to be
>Victor's. Ashley is a slimy, underhanded, sperm stealing, breast cancer
>victim....
Oh, ok. We don't KNOW yet. That's coming . . . a ravelation-yet-to-be.
Ok. I have fixed my brain to spell the word correctly. Thanks for the heads
up.
Madeupagin
ravel...@webtv.net (ravelation) writes:
>No one had responded when I started a thread about how cute it was they
>"matched" wearing the same color. Larry's shirt was the exact color of
>Jill's sweat suit. I wonder if it means they will end up horizontal
>with each other?
>
This is JILL, remember? OF COURSE they'll end up horizontal together.
The only bigger slut on CBS is Brooke, and she blew her wad showing her
underwear to Vic. LOL
Carol Frilegh
toby
wrote:
>
>Only if the true identity of Abby's father is ever revealed, which may
>or may not happen. If Abby's father is Victor, then Ashley has
>nothing to worry about because there is no way he will ever find out,
>unless SHE tells him, which is not likely to happen.
>
Or if the kid gets sick and needs blood/bone marrow/something
transfer, as usually happens to kids with the wrong fathers on soaps.
toby.
Josey
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Yeah, but tell us how you REALLY feel!
Josey
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the truth about Abby.
queenmother
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> Maybe under sedation for cancer surgery-she will think she's dying and
tell
> the truth about Abby.
>
>
her own mortality, she'll decide it's important to tell.
And then she'll be cured, of course.
--
Judy
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Phil R.
>>if there was one, WHO WAS THE
> >SPERM DONOR?!
>
>Shhhhh. Don't tell Phil. But, baby Abby is going to turn out to be
>Victor's. Ashley is a slimy, underhanded, sperm stealing, breast cancer
>victim....
I can almost guarantee that Abby's paternity will never be an issue on this
show. And you can quote me.
--Phil
Phil R.
>>Shhhhh. Don't tell Phil. But, baby Abby is going to turn out to be
>>Victor's. Ashley is a slimy, underhanded, sperm stealing, breast cancer
>>victim....
>
>Oh, ok. We don't KNOW yet.
Of course we don't. And we won't know, because it will never be an issue. And
also, Ashley's morals are at stake. That would be a big blow to her character's
morality and I don't think the viewers are ready for such a letdown.
--Phil
queenmother
news:20020405155437...@mb-fo.aol.com...
> I can almost guarantee that Abby's paternity will never be an issue on
this
> show. And you can quote me.
>
> --Phil
Okay, so who's in charge of keeping track of this post for when we need it
later?
Not only does Phil not believe Ashley used Victor's sperm to get pregnant,
but that that part of the story will just be dropped. It's just such a
classic soap opera storyline!
Phil R.
>We still don't know, but the common belief around here (by everyone
>other than Phil, that is) is that Victor is Abby's father.
I am SURE I am NOT the only one who thinks Ashley has more than a few brain
cells flowing through that head of hers.
> And he
>will never sue for custody because he doesn't even know!
He will never sue for custody because Abby is not his child. Duh.
--Phil
Phil R.
>but that that part of the story will just be dropped.
It has. It's done.
--Phil
queenmother
> He will never sue for custody because Abby is not his child. Duh.
>
> --Phil
Your loyalty is adorable.
I'll tell you the same thing I just told my husband over dinner - "You're so
cute when you're clueless".
Mommarella
>No one had responded when I started a thread about how cute it was they
>"matched" wearing the same color. Larry's shirt was the exact color of
>Jill's sweat suit. I wonder if it means they will end up horizontal
>with each other?
I missed that thread and many others, I think. I had some problems with AOL. I
guess there's quite a few of us who think those two might get together. :-)
>Actually, this is the first time they've been able to convince me that
>it's possible. Sean's no glass look is so much better and he seems to
>have settled a bit more into the character.
He is looking good, but I still can't see him with Jill. Not that Jill couldn't
be with a younger guy--she's gorgeous--just a 'different' guy.
>. Whatever, I'm so glad the
>writers saw fit to make Sean and Larry friends. It's tied a nice
>grouping of characters together.
I'm enjoying Larry hangin' out at the mansion--can you picture him telling the
guys at the local bar? I just hope he doesn't blab to his ex-con friends about
it, or the place could be robbed. hmmm, might make for an interesting story:
Jill & Kay all tied up and exchanging barbs while the guy is robbing the place,
then Larry comes in and saves the day. :-)
Mary
Mommarella
>If Abby's father is Victor, then Ashley has
>nothing to worry about because there is no way he will ever find out,
>unless SHE tells him, which is not likely to happen.
Unless there is an investigation into what happened at the sperm bank, now that
it's been revealed that there was a mix-up of Jack's and Victor's sperm. Why
hasn't Victor thought to ask if all of his sperm vials are accounted for? As
for Ashley being worried that Abby's father might one day sue for visitation,
she should be worried. Because even if the father is some one-night fling, he
may someday look her up and find out about the baby.
As for Victor finding out, it wouldn't take much for him to put two and two
together because she acts so spaced out whenever she talks about the baby's
father.
Mary
Madeupagin
(Mommarella) writes:
>Why
>hasn't Victor thought to ask if all of his sperm vials are accounted for?
This is a joke question, right? Victor? Thinking?
Yes, it's a joke alright!
ravelation
jrus...@epix.net (queenmother)
wrote:
>I'll tell you the same thing I just told my
>husband over dinner - "You're so
>cute when you're clueless".
LOL!! May I borrow that line sometime? It's priceless!
Ravl
queenmother
All yours!
My husband was suggesting that I had *lots* of time to get a little cleaning
project done - between dinner last night and 8AM this morning when he needed
(wanted) it done. Like he had a prayer of me doing something like that
either Friday evening after a long week of work or before Saturday morning
coffee!
ravelation
jrus...@epix.net (queenmother)
wrote:
>My husband was suggesting that I had
>*lots* of time to get a little cleaning
>project done - between dinner last night
>and 8AM this morning when he needed
>(wanted) it done. Like he had a prayer
>of me doing something like that either
>Friday evening after a long week of
>work or before Saturday morning coffee!
LOL! Did he add a "Hop To, Little Woman!" to that?
I hope (know) you reminded him that if he needed (wanted) to have the
project done, his two wittle hands could magically work overtime, too!
I have to laugh with the
'needed (wanted)' part of your post. My son and I had a "women/venus
men/mars" talk yesterday.....after he very selfishly aborted my Palm
Springs FREE vacation because he was... bored.
He has now learned what the wrath of a woman scorned feels like. I
didn't even get my room service breakfast yesterday!!
That 2-1/2 hour ride home wasn't pleasant, and that's putting it mildly!
It *is* amazing what a good night's sleep can do for one's psyche.
Yesterday, I wasn't sure how I was going to get over the hurt he caused
me (not to mention the boredom of sitting alone on the couch as my
husband had to stay in PS because of work (hence the FREE part of the
equation.) Did I mention it was the Riviera Resort?!
Ravl
who better clam up 'cause she's getting steamed all over again!
queenmother
> LOL! Did he add a "Hop To, Little Woman!" to that?
>
> I hope (know) you reminded him that if he needed (wanted) to have the
> project done, his two wittle hands could magically work overtime, too!
>
Actually, unfortunately, it was a sorting project that I wouldn't trust him
to do. But the deadline was mostly of his own doing. It rolls around every
month. There's nothing there that's bothering anyone in the least tonight.
And probably by next month, I'll have it done. Or not.
.....after he very selfishly aborted my Palm
> Springs FREE vacation because he was... bored.
>
Did you remind him - as my dog's breeder just said while she was grooming
him - that you brought him into this world and you can take him out?
> I didn't even get my room service breakfast yesterday!!
Ungrateful spawn!
> That 2-1/2 hour ride home wasn't pleasant, and that's putting it mildly!
>
But it gave you lots of time to reflect on what you were going to do with
him. And enough time to discard most of the illegal ones.
> husband had to stay in PS because of work (hence the FREE part of the
> equation.) Did I mention it was the Riviera Resort?!
>
You are definitely owed Big Time! And by both of them!
And where do I get one of those jobs that include stays in Palm Springs?
Ours only send us to places no one goes to willingly! (Actually, there
*was* that one last fall at the inn on the coast of Maine and the B&B in
Vermont the summer before. They just don't come often enough.)
jaie
Ashley's morals? HAH! Some of us viewers are completely used to her
being a self-serving hypocrite.
jaie
>
> I have to laugh with the
> 'needed (wanted)' part of your post. My son and I had a "women/venus
> men/mars" talk yesterday.....after he very selfishly aborted my Palm
> Springs FREE vacation because he was... bored.
>
> He has now learned what the wrath of a woman scorned feels like. I
> didn't even get my room service breakfast yesterday!!
> That 2-1/2 hour ride home wasn't pleasant, and that's putting it mildly!
>
Okay, I gotta ask. How does your SON get to abort your vacation?
> who better clam up 'cause she's getting steamed all over again!
Umm, never mind. I can see it's still bothering you.
Mommarella
>That 2-1/2 hour ride home wasn't pleasant, and that's putting it mildly!
I hope you made him run alongside the car whilst your foot was makin' contact
with his butt...
Mary, feeling your pain
Phil R.
>Ashley's morals? HAH! Some of us viewers are completely used to her
>being a self-serving hypocrite.
>
Can you please give me some examples of her hypocrisy?
--Phil
Mommarella
RE:Ashley
>Can you please give me some examples of her hypocrisy?
Well, for starters, when she was having emotional problems, she moved in with
Victor and Nikki and ended up breaking up their home. Then she went after her
sister's husband (even though Traci and Brad were split, she knew Traci still
loved him) Then she went after Cole, her ex-daughter-in-law's husband, when she
knew Victoria was trying to save her marriage. She tells Jack all the time to
butt out of her affairs and then she turns around and sticks her nose in his.
Now, I don't know if I've left anything out, but I think this is enough proof
that Ashley is not the saint that you seem to think she is--she's not a bad
person, either, but she knows she's going to hurt people when she goes after
something she wants, and she seems to show a little guilt, but then she does
what she wants anyway.
Mary
ravelation
ja...@law.com (jaie)
wrote:
>Okay, I gotta ask. How does your SON
>get to abort your vacation?
Fair question. There were a few moments riding home where my head said,
"Screw this! I'm going back and I don't care about how he feels." Then,
the guilt monster (not me guilty, but me laying TONS of guilt) overtook
the sitch and it became a lesson in gratitude and putting others
feelings before your own sometimes. He knew this trip was my 'big'
vacation for my spring break, yet all the times I jump for him and his
friends needing a ride here or there didn't factor in. I had a 15 year
old boy in need of a reality check. Those with teens can relate that
sometimes the lesson is worth the pain it causes. He learned about the
ol' "Careful what you ask for, 'cause you just might get it." scenario.
He got it all right. Other nice sidebars to this is he hasn't once
tried to put his cRap music on the radio....I didn't have to fork out
his allowance...*And* I came to the conclusion that a planned trip to
Hawaii would be a waste of money for the three of us. The fact he isn't
actively engaged 24/7 would infuriate me. I love my son dearly but one
of his quirks is thinking a vacation is fun Fun FUN! the *whole* time.
Being an only child, the world revolves around him, don'tcha know?!
As a person who makes her living dishing out discipline to kids, your
question was at the heart of my inner dilemma. But, when you break down
the equation to -- Do I sit there listening and watching him be
'depressed' because there's nothing to do, thus ruining my vacation, or
do I give the baby his bottle and heat it up to the point that it burns
his mouth? I chose the latter. (as I reread this, it makes it sound like
I chose to be the bad mother. But I still like the analogy so, it
stays!)
If I was going to be miserable, he was going to be miserabler. :)
>Umm, never mind. I can see it's still
>bothering you.
Not so much anymore, but at the time, I was as steamed as Japanese rice!
Ravl
who raveled in all the ways I was able to lay guilt... ;^0
Ian J. Ball
momma...@aol.com (Mommarella) wrote:
I second this posting.
Ian (Ashley used to be one of my favorite characters back in the 80's.
Now I despise her...)
--
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Madeupagin
ravel...@webtv.net (ravelation) writes:
>*And* I came to the conclusion that a planned trip to
>Hawaii would be a waste of money for the three of us. The fact he isn't
>actively engaged 24/7 would infuriate me. I love my son dearly but one
>of his quirks is thinking a vacation is fun Fun FUN! the *whole* time.
>Being an only child, the world revolves around him, don'tcha know?!
Ravl, I'm very glad you've learned this BEFORE spending the bucks.
If he's 15, as I recall, you can expect him to return to the nice person he was
before puberty hit at around age 23. Or sooner, if he has a kid. LOL
One thing you learn with a kid in puberty/teen years -- how much you put YOUR
parents through. Call them. Apologize. Tell them you love them. I know I
did to my mother!
Skip and Martha Anderson
>In article <9865-3CB...@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net>,
>ravel...@webtv.net (ravelation) writes:
>
>>*And* I came to the conclusion that a planned trip to
>>Hawaii would be a waste of money for the three of us. The fact he isn't
>>actively engaged 24/7 would infuriate me. I love my son dearly but one
>>of his quirks is thinking a vacation is fun Fun FUN! the *whole* time.
>>Being an only child, the world revolves around him, don'tcha know?!
I guess I'm lucky because when my hubby and I took our three kids (16,
15, and 11 at the time) to Hawaii, we all had a great time and I can
honestly say I wasn't sure we would! We all snorkled, went
sightseeing, and went out to dinner together and when the two teens
(both girls) got tired of that, we split up and the girls went
shopping while we took our son (the youngest) to the pool and we
lounged. (We were in Lahaina on Maui, so they could walk a couple of
blocks to where the shops were.) When the girls were younger, they
fought like cats and dogs and I thought that phase would never end. I
actually envied people with one child. Now, however, they get along
well most of the time and have become pretty good friends.
I really do understand how "unfun" it is to have a kid with you who
really does not want to be there doing whatever it is you want to do.
They can think of lots of ways to make you not want to be there too!
Martha Anderson
Mommarella
>But, when you break down
>the equation to -- Do I sit there listening and watching him be
>'depressed' because there's nothing to do, thus ruining my vacation, or
>do I give the baby his bottle and heat it up to the point that it burns
>his mouth?
I think you made the right choice, Ravl. Your vacation would have been ruined
anyway and he would have learned nothing because he would be too busy playing
'look how miserable I am and it's your fault.' You turned the tables on that
one, and it's one I'm sure he'll never forget.
Mary
Mommarella
>I guess I'm lucky because when my hubby and I took our three kids (16,
>15, and 11 at the time) to Hawaii, we all had a great time
But the difference is your 16 and 15 yr-old girls have each other and basically
the same interests. Your 11 yr.old son is still too young to be bored. Maybe
the solution for Ravl is to invite a friend (male, of course) so her son will
enjoy himself. If truth be told, I can see how lonely it can be for him.
Mary
queenmother
Maybe
> the solution for Ravl is to invite a friend (male, of course) so her son
will
> enjoy himself. If truth be told, I can see how lonely it can be for him.
> Mary
This is what we usually did. Quite often it was two friends (but not if I'm
paying airfare). Car trips to rental cottages at the beach always involved
taking a friend and - if Grandma didn't go so there was another seat in the
car - often two. Makes the 12 hour car ride easier to deal with also. So
it costs you a little more when you stop to eat - it's worth it many times
over!
And a couple of times, one of the friend's family took our daughter on
*their* vacation. (They had the same problem of having an only child.)
The funny thing is - I *knew* how old Ravl's son was just from the story!
Girls are a little earlier.
Kathryn Morningblue
: But the difference is your 16 and 15 yr-old girls have each other and
basically
: the same interests. Your 11 yr.old son is still too young to be bored.
Maybe
: the solution for Ravl is to invite a friend (male, of course) so her son
will
: enjoy himself. If truth be told, I can see how lonely it can be for him.
Speaking as an only child, I can tell you that it's much more fun to have a
friend along! I used to go with my best friend (also an only child) on a
couple of vacations. Once to Panama City, once to Jensen Beach and Orlando.
And I know that there are other times when she's taken other friends. I
usually had to pay for my own meals, unless we were on vacation on my
birthday--then her family would pay for my meal. I also paid for my share of
the accommodations. (In the case of Panama City, I guess my parents did,
since I was 14/15--one of those birthday deals.)
Even at 23, my best friend STILL wants me to go on some family trips with
her, mainly because no one in her family is close to her age. (I think her
closest cousin is in his mid-30s.) Usually with my own family, I was the
only kid along (except for the one year we went to visit family in Florida).
It did get boring sometimes when my parents didn't want to do the things I
did. At least if there are two of you, you can go off and do your own thing,
and it's more fun.
Katie :)
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ravelation
momma...@aol.com (Mommarella)
wrote:
>Maybe the solution for Ravl is to invite a
>friend (male, of course) so her son will
>enjoy himself. If truth be told, I can see
>how lonely it can be for him. Mary
I agree, Mary. Unfortunately, his best friend isn't one of our favorite
characters.
Not that he's a bad kid, but he rubs us the wrong way a lot, especially
my husband.
Something about wanting to be like Allen Iverson... that's a clue to our
dislike. (no this kid isn't black, just a wanna be. Tracy Morgan of SNL
hit the nail on the head the other night on Leno--black kids want to be
white and white kids want to be black. But that's a whole 'nother very
long topic...)
Any "vacations" we take will have to be of the local kind where we can
take this kid along, but not feel stuck with him for a week.
Thanks everyone for reading along and adding some .02s. If ever a thread
were to stray and stay 'on topic', this sure fits into the "realism"
category!
Ravl
who's grateful her house and yard are an awesome hangout....takes the
heat off of having to 'get away'.
queenmother
> Any "vacations" we take will have to be of the local kind where we can
> take this kid along, but not feel stuck with him for a week.
You might find that you like him better than you think. Or not. It's
worked both ways for us. One of the girls who went with us several times
was really moody. Her mother even said "Why would you want her to go with
you - she's such a bitch!". (Can you imagine such a mother?) She had a
great time, went fishing with my husband when no one else wanted to, and
still calls us Mom and Dad. She's become a second daughter. She's 26 now
and calls us when she needs advice or is lonely.
Perhaps what you need to do is send your son on a vacation of his own while
you and husband go on yours. If he thinks he was "bored" in Palm Springs,
send him to me and I'll show him what a boring place really is!
Actually, that might not work. My two nephews stayed with us for a week
while their parents went to a conference in Spain (why don't I ever get
those?) and they went home telling their parents it was the best vacation
ever! They spent the week playing video games on the TV and periodically
being dragged to the pond for swimming or fishing. I think we did a county
fair one evening. Sounded boring to me when I compared it to their normal
busy lives.
I know! Send him to Diane (homesic)! That'll be a real experience!
>
> If ever a thread
> were to stray and stay 'on topic', this sure fits into the "realism"
> category!
LOL - I thought the same thing when I read the last few posts!
And isn't it great how easy it is to fix everybody else's lives? I normally
try to limit myself to my own, my husband's and our daughter's. But
sometimes I just have to stray into others!
jaie
> In article <20020407091901...@mb-md.aol.com>,
> momma...@aol.com (Mommarella) wrote:
>
> > >
> > Well, for starters, when she was having emotional problems, she moved in with
> > Victor and Nikki and ended up breaking up their home. Then she went after her
> > sister's husband (even though Traci and Brad were split, she knew Traci still
> > loved him) Then she went after Cole, her ex-daughter-in-law's husband, when
> > she
> > knew Victoria was trying to save her marriage. She tells Jack all the time to
> > butt out of her affairs and then she turns around and sticks her nose in his.
> > Now, I don't know if I've left anything out, but I think this is enough proof
> > that Ashley is not the saint that you seem to think she is--she's not a bad
> > person, either, but she knows she's going to hurt people when she goes after
> > something she wants, and she seems to show a little guilt, but then she does
> > what she wants anyway.
>
> I second this posting.
>
> Ian (Ashley used to be one of my favorite characters back in the 80's.
> Now I despise her...)
Same here.
Phil, Ashley has always claimed the moral high ground, so I hold her
to that standard. She's usually a "good" person when there's no
conflict with her self-interest. I can't tell you how many times I've
heard her say "that relationship was already in trouble before I came
into the picture." She always finds a way to rationalize her hurtful
decisions.
jaie
>
> As a person who makes her living dishing out discipline to kids, your
> question was at the heart of my inner dilemma. But, when you break down
> the equation to -- Do I sit there listening and watching him be
> 'depressed' because there's nothing to do, thus ruining my vacation, or
> do I give the baby his bottle and heat it up to the point that it burns
> his mouth? I chose the latter. (as I reread this, it makes it sound like
> I chose to be the bad mother. But I still like the analogy so, it
> stays!)
My parents had a quick fix for anyone who claimed to be "bored."
They'd find something "interesting" for us to do, like laundry,
washing the car, scrubbing the floors, doing some plumbing (!), etc.
If I'd tried that nonsense on vacation, I'm sure my parents would've
created homework for me to do, like math problems, reading the
newspaper to them. (You get the idea.) I can guarantee you that we
kids made sure never to be bored--on vacation or otherwise. And,
frankly, we weren't ever bored because we were forced to find ways to
occupy our minds or suffer the consequences.
> If I was going to be miserable, he was going to be miserabler. :)
I hear you, but see if taking a page out of my parents' book helps
next time.
startrek granny
>Well, for starters, when she was having
> emotional problems, she moved in with
> Victor and Nikki and ended up breaking
> up their home. Then she went after her
> sister's husband (even though Traci and
> Brad were split, she knew Traci still
> loved him) Then she went after Cole,
> her ex-daughter-in-law's husband, when
> she
>knew Victoria was trying to save her
> marriage.
And may I add she had an abortion and she knows she is not John Abbott's
daughter but she has never told him!
Phil R.
> I can't tell you how many times I've
>heard her say "that relationship was already in trouble before I came
>into the picture." She always finds a way to rationalize her hurtful
Yes, but does that necessarily mean that she's comparable to the likes of
Diane, Mary Jo, or Phyllis?
--Phil
ravelation
Gran...@webtv.net (startrek granny)
wrote:
>Mommarella answered poor Phil:
You know, Granny, ever since you started posting here, you've had that
'air of familiarity' about you. You wouldn't happen to be an alien on
Startrek, now would you?
Ravl
whose big clue is how nicely you cute and past your responses....
Mommarella
>Yes, but does that necessarily mean that she's comparable to the likes of
>Diane, Mary Jo, or Phyllis?
>
Geez, Phil, I wouldn't put her in the same league with would-be murderers like
Phyllis and Mary Jo, but she's probably not too much different than Diane,
except that she knows how to cover her tracks better. :-)
Mary
Madeupagin
ihaveeve...@aol.complicated (Phil R.) writes:
>Yes, but does that necessarily mean that she's comparable to the likes of
>Diane, Mary Jo, or Phyllis?
Of course not. *She's* boring.
Madeupagin
<jrus...@epix.net> writes:
>And a couple of times, one of the friend's family took our daughter on
>*their* vacation. (They had the same problem of having an only child.)
>
My daughter was involved in one such trip last month. The fun thing was FOR
both kids -- the grandparents were so tickled to have TWO kids to play with,
they took them places they never would have taken one kid, such as Stone
Mountain.
The fun part was when I got a call from the mom -- YOU WROTE THANK YOU LETTERS.
Well, duh.
LOL
jaie
Yeah, what she said. Besides, if you look back at Diane's history,
she hasn't done all that much evil compared to Ashley. There's
certainly the whole Kyle scenario (which I would argue, was an
incredibly unlikely thing for the Diane I've known for 20-plus years
to do, but, hey, that's the way it was written); she cheated with Jack
on her first husband Andy and on Jack's wife Patty (and of course was
caught); she bitchslapped Nikki a few times, but that was well within
her rights.
Besides, I'm not trying to say that Ashley is evil. Phil, you keep
trying to convince us that she's some paragon of virtue, and maybe she
was before she met Victor Newman, but she hasn't been virtuous for at
least half the years I've known her. I think she wants to do what's
right (thus the self-inflicted guilt), but she's a morally weak and
self-indulgent woman who always ends up doing what she wants,
regardless of the consequences. She's not someone I can respect.
startrek granny
>You know, Granny, ever since you
> started posting here, you've had that 'air
> of familiarity' about you. You wouldn't
> happen to be an alien on Startrek, now
> would you?
Ya got me!!! I'm Worf's never seen Grandma.
jaie
> In article <20020408190014...@mb-mv.aol.com>,
> ihaveeve...@aol.complicated (Phil R.) writes:
>
> >Yes, but does that necessarily mean that she's comparable to the likes of
> >Diane, Mary Jo, or Phyllis?
>
> Of course not. *She's* boring.
>
LOL. You forgot to mention that Ashley could never say "JAAHH-bo" the
way Mari Jo could.
ravelation
ja...@law.com (jaie)
wrote:
>LOL. You forgot to mention that Ashley
>could never say "JAAHH-bo" the way
>Mari Jo could.
Drove me nutz, too! I *hated* the way she said it. HATED it!!
Ravl
who's 'thanking' jaie for planting that gawdawful sounding word in my
brain for the day....
jaie
> ja...@law.com (jaie)
> wrote:
>
> >LOL. You forgot to mention that Ashley
> >could never say "JAAHH-bo" the way
> >Mari Jo could.
>
> Drove me nutz, too! I *hated* the way she said it. HATED it!!
Actually, I loved it (one of my favorite things about Mari Jo), but I
know a lot of you considered her "evil" for it.
>
> Ravl
> who's 'thanking' jaie for planting that gawdawful sounding word in my
> brain for the day....
Any time, sweetie. ; )