GL: This is what I watch soaps for
Peter J
children are knocking my socks off. Finally, the veil of synthetic patriarchy
has been lifted. Ever since Ed came back, they have tried to position him as
the father figure, generally ignoring the years of separation and resentment
between Ed and his children. That isn't a part of the present story, but is
still buried in the undertones. Here is a man who truly has demons and who has
once again erected a brick wall between himself and his family. His behavior is
much more believable to me than the days when he was running around squawking
about Danny/Michelle and running the invisible free clinic.
The scene which sent a chill up my spine was when he told Rick, "I don't
forgive easily." Peter Simon had such cold malice in his voice -- it was
obvious that Ed was not threatening, he was stating a clearcut fact. Rick was
shaken up, and so was I.
Rick and Ed's confrontation on Wednesday was one of the best moments I have
seen on Guiding Light in *years*. YEARS. Too bad the rest of the show is shit.
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"Peter J" <peter...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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>
> Rick and Ed's confrontation on Wednesday was one of the best moments I
have
> seen on Guiding Light in *years*. YEARS. Too bad the rest of the show is
shit.
I have loved the Ed/Michelle stuff and the Ed/Rick stuff. But unfortunately
this week I had my fill of GL. I've turned it off for 4 days in a row now.
I tried to watch snippets of it...tried to have it on in the background.
But the stories and performances that are interesting to me simply aren't
strong enough for me to get past the stench that is Tony/Eden/Bill. Today
in the 10 minutes I watched I was mortified to see even Mark Pinter and Beth
Ehlers completely sucking wind. Beth is a strong actress but not strong
enough to carry this mess. Pinter has always been so good when he is
smarmy, but he's like a pathetic cartoon right now. Ick. So it's off. And
unfortunately it means I miss some excellent scenes like those you describe.
But I just can't watch this anymore.
Thank God I'm enjoying ATWT or what would I do with my afternoon?
SarahE
U82many
I also thought the Jeffery/ Sandy scene was good. First time those two came
off as convincing.
"Peter J" <peter...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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Sarah
>
> In the midst of such a dim-witted storyline, Ed's confrontations with his
> children are knocking my socks off. Finally, the veil of synthetic patriarchy
> has been lifted. Ever since Ed came back, they have tried to position him as
> the father figure, generally ignoring the years of separation and resentment
> between Ed and his children. That isn't a part of the present story, but is
> still buried in the undertones. Here is a man who truly has demons and who has
> once again erected a brick wall between himself and his family. His behavior is
> much more believable to me than the days when he was running around squawking
> about Danny/Michelle and running the invisible free clinic.
>
> The scene which sent a chill up my spine was when he told Rick, "I don't
> forgive easily." Peter Simon had such cold malice in his voice -- it was
> obvious that Ed was not threatening, he was stating a clearcut fact. Rick was
> shaken up, and so was I.
>
> Rick and Ed's confrontation on Wednesday was one of the best moments I have
> seen on Guiding Light in *years*. YEARS. Too bad the rest of the show is shit.
Totally agree Peter, has that ever happened before? I mean Michael and
Peter are ROCKING their scenes together and they are SO beautifully
performed and written, you have to wonder if Michael pulled the old
doctoring the script trick again.
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>
> You are right. Exceptional acting and uncharacteristically good writing.
> I also thought the Jeffery/ Sandy scene was good. First time those two came
> off as convincing.
Really??? Man that was annoying as heck to me, especially with Sandy
threatening Jeffy-boy. I mean he is Marah's LITTLE brother ...
Harvey R. Stone
"Sarah Estell" <est...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> I have loved the Ed/Michelle stuff and the Ed/Rick stuff. But
unfortunately
> this week I had my fill of GL. I've turned it off for 4 days in a row
now.
> I tried to watch snippets of it...tried to have it on in the background.
> But the stories and performances that are interesting to me simply aren't
> strong enough for me to get past the stench that is Tony/Eden/Bill. Today
> in the 10 minutes I watched I was mortified to see even Mark Pinter and
Beth
> Ehlers completely sucking wind. Beth is a strong actress but not strong
> enough to carry this mess. Pinter has always been so good when he is
> smarmy, but he's like a pathetic cartoon right now. Ick. So it's off.
And
> unfortunately it means I miss some excellent scenes like those you
describe.
> But I just can't watch this anymore.
>
> Thank God I'm enjoying ATWT or what would I do with my afternoon?
>
> SarahE
I had watched GL for at least 30yrs. and about a month ago I just erased a
whole week without watching except the first 10 min. I don't know, maybe
something in the water, but it is just not the least bit interesting. I
guess I still have some interest because I read some of the GL comments and
I have most certainly not given up on soaps, just this one.
Phyl
>
>
Fred/Libby Barclay
I totally agree, Peter. Peter Simon has always been so understated,
vulnerable, honest in his portrayal of Ed. I have alway loved him, even
when he was on Love of Life, way back when.
I also have been a fan of Rick (his name escapes me now because it's
been so long since he's been front and center).
Those scenes rocked.
And, whoever said "fish lips" hit it on the head. I never could
describe what he does when upset. He used to be soooo handsome on Love
of Life, and still is, but in a quirky sort of way. I love him!
Libby
Jim
along with Eden, Nico, and Tony.
Totally worthless, and a waste of air time, IMO. JDR
Rthrquiet
>In the midst of such a dim-witted storyline,
"Dim-witted" is very kind, Peter; I commend you for your restraint
>Ed's confrontations with his
>children are knocking my socks off. Finally, the veil of synthetic patriarchy
>has been lifted. Ever since Ed came back, they have tried to position him as
>the father figure, generally ignoring the years of separation and resentment
>between Ed and his children. That isn't a part of the present story, but is
>still buried in the undertones. Here is a man who truly has demons and who
>has
>once again erected a brick wall between himself and his family. His behavior
>is
>much more believable to me than the days when he was running around squawking
>about Danny/Michelle and running the invisible free clinic.
It's not at all a story I would have chosen for him, but at least it does give
Peter Simon something to sink his teeth into, and given how far down the tubes
this show has gone in such a short time, that does count for something.
>The scene which sent a chill up my spine was when he told Rick, "I don't
>forgive easily." Peter Simon had such cold malice in his voice -- it was
>obvious that Ed was not threatening, he was stating a clearcut fact. Rick was
>shaken up, and so was I.
And Rick, incidentally, is the only one in this scenario I feel sorry for.
>Rick and Ed's confrontation on Wednesday was one of the best moments I have
>seen on Guiding Light in *years*. YEARS. Too bad the rest of the show is
>shit.
And even this storyline is excrement; the fact that it gives Peter Simon and
Michael O'Leary something interesting to act doesn't change the fact that the
storyline itself is an incredible, wretched mess. We all knew it would go to
hell in a handbasket--I can remember several of us who were enjoying the
initial stuff with Carrie remarking that we were just bracing ourselves for
when Weston's usual inability to sustain a storyline would kick in and the
whole thing would go straight to hell--but I never dreamed it would turn this
bad this quickly, nor did I envision just what a stinking cesspool of a story
it would become.
Michael
Jeffrey Varnado
Carruthers still alive as Carrie...
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Yes, but will that make the story any less of a cesspool for you (assuming you
agree it's become a cesspool)? It won't for me, because Carrie/Maryanne (Carrie
Anne? I keep wanting to sing the Hollies song [sorry, I know the Hollies are
*waaaaaaaay* before the time of most RATSC denizens] "Hey-y-y-y-y-y, Carrie
Ann, what's your game now, can anybody play?") is really periphery in this
story; she's essential to move it forward, but the "real story" is about the
Fab Five and M-cubed and how this affects them all. And thus the
Carrie-is-Maryanne revelation isn't going to change my perception that the
storyline is a cesspool; the damage is done. (It's irrelevant to me that Carrie
Anne is still alive, although that's probably how the show will get around the
Fab Five having to suffer any legal consequences for what they did. They
*thought* she was dead and they walked away without reporting it, and they are
so ashamed of it that they've covered it up and hidden it for "thirty years."
It doesn't somehow become less appalling ethically or morally, on the same
grounds that led them to cover up and hide the act, just because Carrie Anne
turns out to be alive.)
As I said, a stinking cesspool--and far worse of one than I expected.
Michael
Sarah Estell
"Rthrquiet" <rthr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
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But they aren't way before the time of the Fab 5 or Mary Ann.
she's essential to move it forward, but the "real story" is about the
> Fab Five and M-cubed and how this affects them all.
I completely agree here. Now with news that the story is cut short "due to
negative fan reaction" what do you want to bet that all is forgotten and
forgiven. Marah returns to idolizing Josh-U-Ugh. Ed never slapped
Michelle. Heck, maybe this story will all be a dream that Michelle had or
something.
SarahE
Jude Cormier
Michelle hears someone using her shower.........she goes to look........she
opens the bathroom door and hears....."Oh good morning,
Michelle!"...........Michelle screams.....
in the shower is........
MAUREEN!!!!!!!!!
:D
Primrose
rthr...@aol.comatose says...
> I know the Hollies are
> *waaaaaaaay* before the time of most RATSC denizens] "Hey-y-y-y-y-y, Carrie
> Ann, what's your game now, can anybody play?")
LOL...I've thought of that song too. I liked the Hollies, esp. "Bus
Stop."
DonnaB
<40071C...@pacbell.net>, Sarah <sar...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> U82many wrote:
> > I also thought the Jeffery/ Sandy scene was good. First time those two came
> > off as convincing.
>
> Really??? Man that was annoying as heck to me, especially with Sandy
> threatening Jeffy-boy. I mean he is Marah's LITTLE brother ...
Oh, lord, yes, as soon as Sandy began to get pouty I feared but it was
so much worse than I could have imagined!!!
Needless to say that Jeffrey & Sandy's scene was not what I watch
soaps for. I haven't seen anything on GL except examples of what not
to do in ages. But I am a day behinder, so, ...
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Jude Cormier
"DonnaB" <shall...@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:16:46 GMT in Msg.#
> <40071C...@pacbell.net>, Sarah <sar...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > U82many wrote:
> > > I also thought the Jeffery/ Sandy scene was good. First time those two
came
> > > off as convincing.
> >
> > Really??? Man that was annoying as heck to me, especially with Sandy
> > threatening Jeffy-boy. I mean he is Marah's LITTLE brother ...
>
> Oh, lord, yes, as soon as Sandy began to get pouty I feared but it was
> so much worse than I could have imagined!!!
>
> Needless to say that Jeffrey & Sandy's scene was not what I watch
> soaps for. I haven't seen anything on GL except examples of what not
> to do in ages. But I am a day behinder, so, ...
>
Not to mention the actor's eyebulge of death routine he has down pat LOL
Sarah Estell
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OK, I would be completely and totally fine with that.
SarahE
Dana Carpender
Sarah Estell wrote:
Well, and think of all that would let us get rid of: If the past -- how
many years? -- have all been a dream, we don't have to have lost Nadine,
either. Michelle isn't married to Danny; indeed, the whole Santos mob
family was a dream, too. Vanessa's still in town, and probably never
met Matt (though she could!) Alex was never a stalker, and Reva was
never cloned, so Josh, though still a jerk, might possibly be
forgivable. Phillip and Harley were never married, so Zack doesn't
exist, and of course, Rick and Mel never met.
We could fix a *LOT*.
But wouldn't Michelle have to still be about 12 years old?
Dana
Niki
> Needless to say that Jeffrey & Sandy's scene was not what I watch
> soaps for. I haven't seen anything on GL except examples of what not
> to do in ages. But I am a day behinder, so, ...
Donna, being a day behind isn't going to make it *any* less painful. Not at
all.
Niki
> Not to mention the actor's eyebulge of death routine he has down pat LOL
Doesn't he though. It's even worse than Deacon on B&B (which I like). I
think the actor who plays Sandy or whatever his nom du jour is wouldn't be
so bad, if he weren't in such a lame story to begin with. But he does fit
the role perfectly (whatever that means).
Sarah Estell
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So was I the only one today (realFriday) wanting Buzz to give Michelle a
shiner on her other eye?
MICHELLE: Stop following me! It is an invasion of my privacy!
BUZZ: Guess you know how your father feels.
Hehehehe. At least Buzz got to tell her off until Fish Lips Ed stepped in
and made him stop. And how stupid is it that Meechelle now believes that
Buzz and Ed would actually kill Carrie?
Grrr........Today was the first day I watched all week. I am treated to
Olivia preying on a vulnerable Phillip. Jeffrey manipulating an incredibly
stupid Cassie. Another Danny/Cassie scene to remind me of how good these
two SHOULD have been together. Beth Ehlers trying desperately to make it
through a scene with Marj Dusay (a remarkably reserved MD today). The best
part of the day was Alan telling off the rest of the Fab Five (except for
Billy) who have somehow cast him as the villain in this Carruthers nonsense.
At least Alan has the guts to call a spade a spade.
But hey - no Tony and no Eden and no Bill. All in all I guess that should
count as a good day.
SarahE
Jude Cormier
"Dana Carpender" <dcarpen...@kiva.net> wrote in message
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No, it can be explained that Michelle has been in a deep coma and that she
only recently woke up LOL
Sarah Estell
Perhaps the dream smack from Ed started her out of her coma. Hey guys - I
think we can work with this!
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DonnaB
Well, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt that this one
thing that Peter was saying was good was something I won't see till
Monday, for example. But, I suspect that you're right & the benefit of
the doubt has gone to hell & back.
Jude Cormier
> > > > "Jude Cormier" <jh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:bu93b1$esubi$1...@ID-45768.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > >
Do you think Barbara Bloom is reading these posts and willing to give us
jobs??
:D
Sarah
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> So was I the only one today (realFriday) wanting Buzz to give Michelle a
> shiner on her other eye?
Oh E, you know that as long as Michelle is this judgemental,
hypocritcal, Mrs. Santos, I want her beaten within an inch of her life
on EVERY episode she is on!
> MICHELLE: Stop following me! It is an invasion of my privacy!
>
> BUZZ: Guess you know how your father feels.
Talk about words I wish I could bronze or stitch on a pillow! This was
CLASSIC! How DARE that brat talk about an invasion of privacy???!!! How
dare she tell Buzz to stop following her when she is going to meet up
with a woman out to destroy these men USING her, Marah, and Marina! You
don't think he has a right to face his accuser missy??? She feels he
isn't in the right sneaking around on her sneaking. Hit Buzz, hit her!!!
Seriously, I adore St. Alban, still believes she's the best Michelle
we've had since Miner, but I'm beginning to think Danny should kill her
and we can move on ...
> Hehehehe. At least Buzz got to tell her off until Fish Lips Ed stepped in
> and made him stop.
And lord WHY did he make him stop??? I think if Buzz had beaten the crap
out of Michelle, Rick might finally realize the problem is his brat
little sister.
> And how stupid is it that Meechelle now believes that
> Buzz and Ed would actually kill Carrie?
Well, I guess the good news is that Michelle has a habit of forgiving
murders, just look at her husband ...
> Grrr........Today was the first day I watched all week. I am treated to
> Olivia preying on a vulnerable Phillip.
To think I EVER let my guard down about the witch, I was taken for a
fool.
> Jeffrey manipulating an incredibly
> stupid Cassie.
You get what you pay for in that case IMO.
> Another Danny/Cassie scene to remind me of how good these
> two SHOULD have been together.
What a mess they made for Laura and Paul. They avoided doing the obvious
and what does she get? Great chemistry with DAM but a HORRID story and
then Cole. He's got the brat Michelle and his smug campaign manager. Oy,
oy, oy! You know back when Cassie was close to Ed and working with
Danny, it seemed her future was bright ... sigh.
> Beth Ehlers trying desperately to make it
> through a scene with Marj Dusay (a remarkably reserved MD today). The best
> part of the day was Alan telling off the rest of the Fab Five (except for
> Billy) who have somehow cast him as the villain in this Carruthers nonsense.
Well he and Billy did initiate the crime though, correct? I must be
incredibly ammoral, I just don't see the big deal with this whole crash
besides the drugging, I really don't.
Niki
Niki
> Well, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt
Don't hold your breath.
Jeri
Dana Carpender wrote:
Hummmmmmmmmmm, sounds good to me.
Jeri
>
Dawn Compton
>Really??? Man that was annoying as heck to
>me, especially with Sandy threatening
>Jeffy-boy. I mean he is Marah's LITTLE
>brother ...
How could that scene possibly be annoying? That was very much in
character for Sandy. He thinks a lot of Marah, even though it has come
out she is his sister. The fact that he cares so much is why he
threatened him. He was afraid Jeffrey was going to hurt his sister.
Who cares if it is her little brother. Plus, the writers have made him
close to her age anyway.
Dawn Compton
>In the midst of such a dim-witted storyline,
>Ed's confrontations with his children are
>knocking my socks off.
This is actually more unlike Ed than anything. He usually does not hide
that he has done bad stuff, so this makes him look like a hypocrite.
>The scene which sent a chill up my spine was
>when he told Rick, "I don't forgive easily."
>Peter Simon had such cold malice in his voice
>-- it was obvious that Ed was not threatening,
>he was stating a clearcut fact. Rick was
>shaken up, and so was I.
I did like this scene. It really seemed to fit the actor, if not the
character as much.
Dawn Compton
>out of the cesspool will emerge Maryann
>Carruthers still alive as Carrie...
She could be Mary-anne Caruthers ghost. Maybe that is why she keeps
acting like she is trapped in the museum and Michelle's house.
Dawn Compton
Sandy is one of the best characters anymore, though I do agree with you
on the other three. They need to take with them:
--Ed-He is turning into such a hypocrite.
--Buzz-Same.
--Carrie-She is becoming so annoying.
--Michelle-The only emotion she can do is "pity me."
--Phillip-The writers have ruined him anyway.
--Marah-She just throws herself at men who don't want or can't have her.
Peter J
>
>--Ed-He is turning into such a hypocrite.
>--Buzz-Same.
They're turning into hypocrites? How long have you been watching Guiding Light?
They have been hypocrites for as long as I can remember.
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>
>This is actually more unlike Ed than anything. He usually does not hide
>that he has done bad stuff, so this makes him look like a hypocrite.
>
Ed hid his affair w/Lillian for months; Maureen only found out because of a
letter Lillian wrote. If he had told Mo the truth, she would still he alive
today.
Ed has never told anyone that he terminated Eve's life support.
Richard Varnado
has stepped down from being Mayor of Springfield; Jeffrey and Cassie are
involved and Beth and Phillip have reunited. Lizzie is having a fling
with Tony Santos.
Dana Carpender
Dawn Compton wrote:
Oh, boy, have to disagree. Just because characters are behaving badly
doesn't make me want them to leave the show. Ed and Buzz have been
great, and it's nice to see these terrific actors get a chance to show
their chops. And I'm thrilled that Grant Alexander has gotten a chance
to play something other than Skeletor Master of the Universe --
Phillip's breakdown is about my favorite thing on the show right now.
Dana
Jude Cormier
"Peter J" <peter...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> >DComp...@webtv.net (Dawn Compton) wrote:
>
> >
> >This is actually more unlike Ed than anything. He usually does not hide
> >that he has done bad stuff, so this makes him look like a hypocrite.
> >
>
> Ed hid his affair w/Lillian for months; Maureen only found out because of
a
> letter Lillian wrote. If he had told Mo the truth, she would still he
alive
> today.
>
> Ed has never told anyone that he terminated Eve's life support.
>
Sarah
God it is a shame Grant can't use yesterday's interrogation of himself
for an Emmy reel, that was PERFECTION!
Niki
January 1993.
Dawn Compton
>They're turning into hypocrites? How long
>have you been watching Guiding Light? They
>have been hypocrites for as long as I can
>remember.
I will admit I have only been watching about five or six years, but they
were not this bad before. I have always liked Buzz, but he is becoming
so annoying. I always thought Ed was sort-of self-righteous, but he is
getting much worse.
Dawn Compton
>Ed hid his affair w/Lillian for months; Maureen
>only found out because of a letter Lillian wrote.
>If he had told Mo the truth, she would still he
>alive today.
>Ed has never told anyone that he terminated
>Eve's life support.
I have only been watching like six years, so I never knew Ed before he
deserted his children to go to Africa. Since he has come back, he has
been a little more open to show his bad points, though his attitude is a
little self-righteous.
Dawn Compton
Ian J. Ball
DComp...@webtv.net (Dawn Compton) wrote:
> Dana wrote:
>
> >Oh, boy, have to disagree. Just because
> >characters are behaving badly doesn't make
> >me want them to leave the show.
>
> Then what is supposed to make us hate them? Seriously, you must, and
> have to, be joking. Everyone hates Reva when she is playing psychic or
> being her usual sl*tty self or Marah for being like her mom. But I
> guess, to you, I am not allowed to hate the characters you like, right?
> That is what is wrong with adults anymore; they feel like children are
> too inferior to have a thought on issues.
I think you need to reread what Dana wrote, because your response to
what she wrote doesn't jibe with what you're saying at all.
Bascially, Dana is right - I've seen a lot of folks here, and in ratsa,
call for a character to get booted off the show virtually the minute
they do something unlikeble or "bad". Which has never made any sense to
me as it's often the "bad" or "screwed up" characters who are the most
interesting.
This show would be an absolute empty shell without Ed, Buzz, Phillip and
even Marah as she's presently constructed. Yeah, I hate Michelle too,
and wouldn't miss her, but I think that has more to do with the actress
(and the writing for Michelle over the last several years), and I think
it would be bad if the show lost the character.
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Ed is definitely self-righteous but he has always - always - been a
hypocrite.
SarahE
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>>
> God it is a shame Grant can't use yesterday's interrogation of himself
> for an Emmy reel, that was PERFECTION!
Why can't he?
SarahE
Susan Smith
I think someone dying at the hands of a drunk driver is a big deal.
Drugging the girl was awful but the drunk driving was the big deal although
that seems to be very glossed over in this story.
Susan Smith
>
>
> Dawn Compton wrote:
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> > Jim wrote:
> >
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> >>Sandy HAS GOT TO GO.......
> >>along with Eden, Nico, and Tony.
> >>Totally worthless, and a waste of air time,
> >>IMO.
> >
> >
> > Sandy is one of the best characters anymore, though I do agree with you
> > on the other three. They need to take with them:
> >
> > --Ed-He is turning into such a hypocrite.
Turning into one?? He's been a hypocrite for as long as I can remember. He
wasn't all that close to Hilary barely even adknowledged her existence but
we got to hear endlesly for months about how he lost his sister. He berated
Maureen for her feelings toward Fletcher which she never actually acted on
while he slept with Holly. He ranted on and on about Alan marrying a younger
woman when Alan married Hope yet Ed married Rita, Maureen (who started out
quite a bit younger than Ed until they recast) and later Eve. Ed thought he
deserved second chances for all the awful things he did to Maureen like
getting Claire Ramsey pregnant but hated that Maureen felt that Roger had a
good side. I've always been a bit repulsed by Ed. His attitude toward women
and the way he uses people have always grated on my nerves. The fact that
he went to Africa when Michelle was still in high school bugged me too.
> > --Buzz-Same.
> > --Carrie-She is becoming so annoying.
> > --Michelle-The only emotion she can do is "pity me."
> > --Phillip-The writers have ruined him anyway.
I'm hoping that after this breakdown we'll get the old Philip back I think
it may be too much to hope for considering the current storylines though.
Rthrquiet
>> God it is a shame Grant can't use yesterday's interrogation of himself
>> for an Emmy reel, that was PERFECTION!
>
>Why can't he?
He can, for 2004, but what I think sarah was referring to is that he's a strong
contender for his work for 2003, but this particular scene came too late in the
storyline to use for the 2003 award. (But I suppose it turns out to be a good
insurance policy: if he doesn't win for 2003, he's got a great scene to submit
in 2004.)
Michael
Carol Frilegh
fail to come through!
In article <29504-400...@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net>, Dawn
Compton <DComp...@webtv.net> wrote:
> Dana wrote:
>
> >Oh, boy, have to disagree. Just because
> >characters are behaving badly doesn't make
> >me want them to leave the show.
>
> Then what is supposed to make us hate them? Seriously, you must, and
> have to, be joking. Everyone hates Reva when she is playing psychic or
> being her usual sl*tty self or Marah for being like her mom. But I
> guess, to you, I am not allowed to hate the characters you like, right?
> That is what is wrong with adults anymore; they feel like children are
> too inferior to have a thought on issues.
>
> >Ed and Buzz have been great, and it's nice to
> >see these terrific actors get a chance to show
> >their chops.
>
> Ed is not exactly terrific. The actor who plays him is decent, but the
> character is basically ruined anymore.
>
> >And I'm thrilled that Grant Alexander has
> >gotten a chance to play something other than
> >Skeletor Master of the Universe -- Phillip's
> >breakdown is about my favorite thing on the
> >show right now.
>
> The way Phillip is now is so out of character. The writers have
> basically ruined him. His breakdown was WAY too fast to seem normal.
> Breakdowns usually build up for YEARS or at least a year or two, not
> just in a few months. Plus, the actor is not being that realistic in
> portraying the breakdown.
>
>
--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman
Sarah Estell
"Rthrquiet" <rthr...@aol.comatose> wrote in message
Ahhh....OK. I was wondering if there was some obscure Emmy requirement that
you have to be acting in a scene WITH someone. Makes sense. But hey -
maybe he can win in 2003 and 2004.
SarahE
Dana Carpender
Dawn Compton wrote:
> Dana wrote:
>
>
>>Oh, boy, have to disagree. Just because
>>characters are behaving badly doesn't make
>>me want them to leave the show.
>
>
> Then what is supposed to make us hate them? Seriously, you must, and
> have to, be joking. Everyone hates Reva when she is playing psychic or
> being her usual sl*tty self or Marah for being like her mom. But I
> guess, to you, I am not allowed to hate the characters you like, right?
>
I never said you couldn't hate them; you're free to hate whom you like
(though I don't hate women for having casual sex, having done quite a
lot of that myself in my youth.) I said that disliking a character
isn't, *for me*, a reason to want them to leave the show. What would
drama be without villains?
But again, I was stating how *I* felt, not how I demand you feel.
Dana
Peter J
And Buzz has always been a hypocrite. The man bitched out his daughter in front
of all her friends, relatives, and children on Thanksgiving. He threw a party
specifically for this purpose. That ain't a nice guy.
Sarah
Yeah, that's what I meant. Somehow, the part of that sentence where I
made clear I meant for 2003 was something I just forgot to type :)
As for 2004, depending on how long this story goes on and whether it
goes into even more ridiculous territory, by the time the Emmys come
around for that year, Grant's work might be forgotten.
Sarah
Oh I don't deny that it is a crime, I'm aware of that. The drunk driver
crash (which frankly Ed's made a habit of) is something that is wrong,
no question. But with the intensity of the guy's panic and the girls
"horror", I just don't think it fits. Danny being a mobster, much worse.
Tony being an attempted rapist, much worse. Ben being a serial killer,
THE worst. But the guys when they were "young" getting drunk and
covering up a crime, while wrong, ain't even CLOSE to the same severity
in my mind. If there had been a more nefarious intent involved in the
crimes, I might agree, but all I see is GROSS neglience and
irresponsibility, so the reactions seem overdone to me.
Sarah Estell
. But the guys when they were "young" getting drunk and
> covering up a crime, while wrong, ain't even CLOSE to the same severity
> in my mind.
I'll say it again - they were NOT young. They were in their mid 30's. They
weren't teenagers.
SarahE
Rthrquiet
>If there had been a more nefarious intent involved in the
>crimes, I might agree, but all I see is GROSS neglience and
>irresponsibility, so the reactions seem overdone to me.
>
I'm not a legal scholar (where IS Ms. Liz these days, anyway? Haven't seen a
post from her in ages), but I think the legal implications may be more serious
than you think. If Alan's drugging of Maryann is what caused her to drown, as
opposed to surviving (given the fact that the Felonious Five survived and she
didn't, I think that's the way the police would see it), or could even be shown
to be a contributing factor, Alan, as the driver and the drugger, could be
facing either manslaughter or second-degree murder charges. Once the other four
decided to walk away and not report the accident, they became accessories to
<manslaughter/second-degree murder>. The fact that Alan didn't intend for
Maryanne to drown because of the drugging probably wouldn't negate his legal
culpability if it could be reasonably shown that the effects of the drug
prevented Maryanne from saving herself. If it's like the date rape drugs I'm
familiar with, and its effects are paralytic, that's pretty damning, I'd say.
ON THE OTHER HAND, this story is so far out there that WHO KNOWS what we're
supposed to think--or more to the point what Conboy and Weston think--so I'm
not going to jump into defending my assessment of the legal situation with any
vigor. It's just all too over-the-top for rational discussion, really. I'm
already thinking I've wasted more typing time and bandwidth complaining about
how appalling I find this storyline than it's probably worth. (In fact, I've
probably spent more time complaining about it on here than Ellen spent in
conceiving it and writing the story treatment for it.)
Michael
Anthony D. Langford
I agree. Michelle's husband has knowingly done much worse, things that
Michelle are aware of They weren't a mistake, they weren't an accident.
They were on purpose. What happened with Ed was a crime, but it was an
accident. Doesn't Michelle see her actions as just a bit hypcritical? I
don't understand why Michelle, Marina and Marah are treating their parents
like violent criminals and persecuting them at every turn. After losing her
father for so long, you think she'd fight to keep in her life, not push him
away.
--
Anthony D. Langford
Creator and Writer of Covington Bay -- An Online Soap Opera
http://www.geocities.com/covingtonbayonline
Anthony D. Langford
Weren't both GA and RPG nominated last year? Or was it the year before?
Anthony D. Langford
> >"Sarah Estell" est...@wi.rr.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >"Dawn Compton" <DComp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >news:29505-400...@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
> >> Peter J wrote:
> >>
> >> >They're turning into hypocrites? How long
> >> >have you been watching Guiding Light? They
> >> >have been hypocrites for as long as I can
> >> >remember.
> >>
> >> I will admit I have only been watching about five or six years, but
they
> >> were not this bad before. I have always liked Buzz, but he is becoming
> >> so annoying. I always thought Ed was sort-of self-righteous, but he is
> >> getting much worse.
> >>
> >
> >Ed is definitely self-righteous but he has always - always - been a
> >hypocrite.
> >
>
> And Buzz has always been a hypocrite. The man bitched out his daughter in
front
> of all her friends, relatives, and children on Thanksgiving. He threw a
party
> specifically for this purpose. That ain't a nice guy.
>
I didn't see GL that day. Why did Buzz do that?
Anthony D. Langford
news:4026-400...@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
Sadly, I don't think the show will be on in 2005 and if it is, the
cancellation date will have already been announced.
Peter J
>
>I didn't see GL that day. Why did Buzz do that?
>
Because Claire Labine wanted to make Buzz as obnoxious and detestable as
possible?
No, that isn't fair to Claire (as if she had more than a scintilla of control
over her stories anyway).
Selena had run out on Buzz a few weeks earlier. Since Buzz had therefore been
forced to deal with one of the dumbest and most pointless rewrites in the
history of Guiding Light (that is saying a hell of a lot) and since he didn't
spend enough time in the day verbally abusing Holly and Blake every time they
came into Company, he decided to throw a special Thanksgiving dinner for his
kids.
Frank showed up, along with Meta, Rick, perhaps Beth, Harley, Phillip, and
their kids. This was when Harley had taken Phillip back after she had found out
he had knocked Beth up.
Buzz got roaring drunk and tore into Harley over and over for taking back a
cheater. She was an idiot, a patsy, on and on, for an agonizing length of time.
I have never felt quite so degraded during Guiding Light as I did during that
episode. Apparently, I was not the only one, because GL has almost always had
positive and happy holiday episodes ever since.
CMK1996
>From: "Sarah Estell" est...@wi.rr.com
>Date: 1/18/2004 7:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <iIFOb.92941$fq1....@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>
My mother and I were just discussing this last night, that there's the ages the
characters were in the real 1977, their ages in this revised 1977, their ages
based on how old their kids are now, how old the kids would be un-SORASed, the
ages of the actors, the apparent ages of the actors playing the revised 1977
characters. Aye carrumba.
The flashback scenes made it look like they were in their mid-twenties, based
on the actors and that it didn't sound like any of them were married, which
would have been true of Ed and Alan. It's a mess.
KC
Anthony D. Langford
> > "Anthony D. Langford" anthony_d...@yahoo.comnospam wrote:
>
> >
> >I didn't see GL that day. Why did Buzz do that?
> >
>
> Because Claire Labine wanted to make Buzz as obnoxious and detestable as
> possible?
>
> No, that isn't fair to Claire (as if she had more than a scintilla of
control
> over her stories anyway).
>
> Selena had run out on Buzz a few weeks earlier. Since Buzz had therefore
been
> forced to deal with one of the dumbest and most pointless rewrites in the
> history of Guiding Light (that is saying a hell of a lot) and since he
didn't
> spend enough time in the day verbally abusing Holly and Blake every time
they
> came into Company,
This must've been before he started dating Holly. Well, did Holly and Buzz
ever really date or did they just talk about it? For that matter, did Holly
ever really date Billy? And isn't it a shame the show just dumped the whole
thing?
>
> Frank showed up, along with Meta, Rick, perhaps Beth, Harley, Phillip, and
> their kids. This was when Harley had taken Phillip back after she had
found out
> he had knocked Beth up.
>
> Buzz got roaring drunk and tore into Harley over and over for taking back
a
> cheater. She was an idiot, a patsy, on and on, for an agonizing length of
time.
>
>
> I have never felt quite so degraded during Guiding Light as I did during
that
> episode. Apparently, I was not the only one, because GL has almost always
had
> positive and happy holiday episodes ever since.
>
Oh. I thought you meant *last* Thanksgiving. That's why I was so confused;
I couldn't get why Buzz would do something so mean to Harley and while I
didn't see the show, I thought it was centered on Harley's attempts to cook
Thanksgiving dinner. And I felt degraged after I watched the episode where
Harley flirted with Brad Green in the gym. That whole thing was just
disgusting.
cher
Michelle sitting bolt right up in bed and revealing it was all just a
dream! <sigh>
Sarah
>
> Sarah sar...@pacbell.net posted:\
>
> >If there had been a more nefarious intent involved in the
> >crimes, I might agree, but all I see is GROSS neglience and
> >irresponsibility, so the reactions seem overdone to me.
> >
>
> I'm not a legal scholar (where IS Ms. Liz these days, anyway? Haven't seen a
> post from her in ages), but I think the legal implications may be more serious
> than you think.
Wasn't really speaking legally, just morally. Morally, I'm not inclined
to be as horrified as the girls are or half the posters on this group
are. Legally, they were criminal, but I'm not sure much can be done
about it now.
> If Alan's drugging of Maryann is what caused her to drown, as
> opposed to surviving (given the fact that the Felonious Five survived and she
> didn't, I think that's the way the police would see it),
Which BTW is a MAJOR convenience of this plot. All five just survive in
that crowded car, but she is the ONLY one who can't get out??? IMO,
she'd have to be comatose and sink immediately into oblivion for her not
to be rescued.
> or could even be shown
> to be a contributing factor, Alan, as the driver and the drugger, could be
> facing either manslaughter or second-degree murder charges.
Oh absolutely. Of course, I _think_ only first degree murder charges
don't have a statute of limitations, so either way, he isn't in danger
of being charged of those crimes. He's only in danger of being charged
in obstruction of justice and charges related to covering up the crime.
> The fact that Alan didn't intend for
> Maryanne to drown because of the drugging probably wouldn't negate his legal
> culpability if it could be reasonably shown that the effects of the drug
> prevented Maryanne from saving herself.
Wouldn't they need oh I don't know, a body for that? They've got a car,
but NO body. These guys could never be tried for anything more than the
accident, there's no proof that she was drugged besides Carrie's say so
and unless she is Maryann, that ain't enough.
> If it's like the date rape drugs I'm
> familiar with, and its effects are paralytic, that's pretty damning, I'd say.
Those kind of drugs just weren't readily available in 77.
> It's just all too over-the-top for rational discussion, really. I'm
> already thinking I've wasted more typing time and bandwidth complaining about
> how appalling I find this storyline than it's probably worth. (In fact, I've
> probably spent more time complaining about it on here than Ellen spent in
> conceiving it and writing the story treatment for it.)
Oh I KNOW the second any of us complained, we'd already thought about
the story more than Ellen.
Sarah
Honey, I know that, notice I put young in quotation marks. But if we are
going to talk at all about this rewritten nonsense, we have to do it as
presented and as presented, those were young guys, not teenagers, but
the guys in the flashbacks were NOT in their mid-30s, no way no how, not
in their look and not in their actions either. They did not portray them
as four adults and one young adult (Josh) who fled their wives, young
children, and the war, came to a carnvial (???? that right there proves
to me they ain't adults), decided to get drunk (one being an alcholic)
and then just drove around discussing the meaning of life with an adult
woman who wanted to have her way with a bunch of men like sailors on
shore leave only to accidentally crash the car. EVERYTHING about that
flashback screamed behavior that was at least, five years younger than
they were, puncuated by that stupid pact they made, kids make pacts, not
married men. In real time, yes, you and I both know they were adults,
but this story is saying otherwise and I'm speaking from that
perspective.
CMK1996
>Date: 1/19/2004 6:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <400C60...@pacbell.net>
Kidnapping may also have no statute of limitations, but I'm not sure. A case
might be made that drugging her and seating her in a speeding car between the
men was, in a sense, holding her against her will. The drug may have made her
incapable of even trying to escape. Of course, if Maryanne is alive, the drug
would also have made her foggy on the details and one of the guys would have to
bail on the others and say that they were keeping her in the car. It's probably
more of a case of reckless endangerment (if she's alive), but someone who wants
to make an example out of the guys could try to make a case for kidnapping,
especially since Maryanne was the only daughter of a wealthy, powerful man.
KC
Dana Carpender
Sarah wrote:
>
>
>
> Wouldn't they need oh I don't know, a body for that? They've got a car,
> but NO body. These guys could never be tried for anything more than the
> accident, there's no proof that she was drugged besides Carrie's say so
> and unless she is Maryann, that ain't enough.
>
>
Excellent point. Without a body, there's *NO* evidence that Maryanne
Carruthers is dead, much less that these guys had anything to do with it.
Dana
Sarah Estell
Why did the idea of Carrie keeping Maryanne's body in the sarcophagus just
pop into my mind?
SarahE
Sarah
No, it does. The only crime that doesn't have a statute is murder, but
I'm not sure if it is only first degree.
Dana Carpender
Dana Carpender wrote:
Piggybacking on my own post, but come to think of it -- has there been
any explanation yet as to why Maryanne's body *isn't* in the car? How
would it have gotten out?
I mean, obviously it's because they were *going* to have Carrie turn out
to be Maryanne, but if they've actually scrapped that (because we're too
smart for their bad plots,) what explanation do they have for the
missing body?
Dana
Teri
And, if there is no body and no one ever knew that Maryanne was killed
- why is there a grave? Or, if there was a body that was buried in
the grave, why was there never an investigation back in the day as to
why this young woman was dead?
Teri
Dawn Compton
>I said that disliking a character isn't, *for me*,
>a reason to want them to leave the show.
If no one EVER hated a character, very few would ever leave a show. By
the way, what, in your perfect opinion, is the reason for you to want a
character to leave a show?
Dawn Compton
>I think you need to reread what Dana wrote,
>because your response to what she wrote
>doesn't jibe with what you're saying at all.
I can READ perfectly fine. She said that people shouldn't hate
characters because of what they do. I SAID that if you never hated a
character by what they did, you would HAVE to LOVE every character on a
show. Maybe you need to REREAD what she wrote.
Just in case you haven't noticed, insulting my intelligence will not
make me see your point of view. Especially considering that I CAN READ
just fine. Actually, I read better than A LOT of people I know.
>I've seen a lot of folks here, and in ratsa, call
>for a character to get booted off the show
>virtually the minute they do something
>unlikeble or "bad". Which has never made any >sense to me as it's often
the "bad" or "screwed
>up" characters who are the most interesting.
Most of the characters that I LISTED have done MORE than ONE bad thing.
If you READ my list or WATCH the show, you would know this.
In my honest opinion, I think you two are just sure you are always right
and everyone should trust everything you say. I do not conform to what
everyone else thinks, especially when the people find it OK to INSULT
me.
Dana Carpender
Dawn Compton wrote:
> Ian wrote:
>
>
>>I think you need to reread what Dana wrote,
>>because your response to what she wrote
>>doesn't jibe with what you're saying at all.
>
>
> I can READ perfectly fine. She said that people shouldn't hate
> characters because of what they do. I SAID that if you never hated a
> character by what they did, you would HAVE to LOVE every character on a
> show. Maybe you need to REREAD what she wrote.
>
>
\
No, Dawn, I didn't say that you should do anything. I said that *I*
don't consider disliking a character a reason for wanting them to leave
the show. I want a show with both people I can like and cheer for, and
people I can hate and boo. So long as a character entertains me,
disliking them is not a reason for me to want them to leave the show.
And indeed, I have wanted relatively pleasant characters to leave
because I found them boring.
I don't know how to make it any clearer than that.
Dana
Dana Carpender
Dawn Compton wrote:
Boredom.
Dana
DonnaB
<QywQb.11663$U%5.62694@attbi_s03>, Dana Carpender
<dcarpen...@kiva.net> wrote:
> And indeed, I have wanted relatively pleasant characters to leave
> because I found them boring.
The cardinal sin on a soap --> being boring!
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"Alyson, we've been through a fire in a barn, we've run from the cops, we've been in jail, come on, compared to that, what is marriage? Gotta be cake." - Aaron Snyder, ATWT, 12-9-03
Sarah
>
> Dana wrote:
>
> >I said that disliking a character isn't, *for me*,
> >a reason to want them to leave the show.
>
> If no one EVER hated a character, very few would ever leave a show.
If characters viewers hated were to leave a show, Dusty would be gone by
now, Jeffrey would be gone by now, and so would Brooke. There is a
difference between hating a character's actions and hating the
character. There is a place for characters whose actions we loathe.
> By
> the way, what, in your perfect opinion, is the reason for you to want a
> character to leave a show?
Usually characters never properly developed who bring nothing to the
show and don't have more than two, let alone three dimensions (like Brad
Green, ATWT's Gabriel, or B&B's Sam)
Sarah
>
> This show would be an absolute empty shell without Ed, Buzz, Phillip and
> even Marah as she's presently constructed. Yeah, I hate Michelle too,
> and wouldn't miss her, but I think that has more to do with the actress
> (and the writing for Michelle over the last several years), and I think
> it would be bad if the show lost the character.
I like the actress a lot, I blame the writing. But I am to the point I'd
like to either have a personality 180 overnight or disappear. I just
can't handle her anymore. She's too one-note!
Niki
are looking forward to it's aftermat. Huh ? On what planet ?
Jim
Jeffrey wrote:
out of the cesspool will emerge Maryann
Carruthers still alive as Carrie...
She could be Mary-anne Caruthers ghost.
Maybe that is why she keeps acting like she is trapped in the museum and
Michelle's house.
=========
ACTING??? There are other words but acting is not one of them. JDR
Jim
then(2005). Until june or july? Maybe. But not until next year.
JDR
Patricia Wadley
>
>
> In my honest opinion, I think you two are just sure you are always right
> and everyone should trust everything you say.
No, no, no, I am always right, the others are just a little coincidental
when they happen to stumble across truth.
;~)
my2cents
p
Patricia Wadley
Because they are boring.
Hello, Brooke? Pay attention.
You too, Eric.
Oh, Bridge, come here and bring your big brother with you.
my2cents
p
Carol Frilegh
<mj...@sysascend.com> wrote:
> Dawn Compton wrote:
>
> > Dana wrote:
> >
> > >I said that disliking a character isn't, *for me*,
> > >a reason to want them to leave the show.
> >
> > If no one EVER hated a character, very few would ever leave a show. By
> > the way, what, in your perfect opinion, is the reason for you to want a
> > character to leave a show?
>
> Because they are boring.
>
Hello B&BIs that you they are talking about on OE?
> Hello, Brooke? Pay attention.
>
> You too, Eric.
>
> Oh, Bridge, come here and bring your big brother with you.
>
> my2cents
> p
>
>
--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman
Dana Carpender
Jim wrote:
> Sandy HAS GOT TO GO.......
> along with Eden, Nico, and Tony.
> Totally worthless, and a waste of air time, IMO. JDR
>
I like Sandy better than Eden, Nico, or Tony, but he still doesn't do
much for me. At least he's related to a core family.
Dana
Patricia Wadley
>
> >
> > Because they are boring.
> >
>
> Hello B&BIs that you they are talking about on OE?
And this would mean??????????
Inquiring minds are confused.
;~)
my2cents
p
Dawn Compton
>Hello B&B
Some of us can't watch all four soaps that air every day on CBS.