Posting on top
kokopup
don't like that as I have read the first post and have to reread it again
and when there are many post then I have to sift through all of the previous
post to find the new one. I rarely post but it is aggravating and a waste of
time and space to scroll through every thing. I know I will be flamed but
so be it.
Kokopup
Niki
> I keep reading a message that you are suppose to post on bottom.
One reads from top to bottom. When you top post, there is no reference as
to what you're responding to. If one is to lazy to cut what one is
responding to so as to make it easier to enjoin in conversation, that
doesn't say much for the OP. I have a habit of blocking top posters just
because of this. It makes a total mess of the conversation flowing easily.
When you top post, one must scroll down anyway to see what you are
responding to. Why not follow netiquette and play by the rules?
> I know I will be flamed but so be it.
So you like this it seems.
The Baba
>>I rarely post but it is aggravating and a waste of time and space to
scroll through every thing.>>
Then stay the fuck away, that'll solve your problem...
>>I know I will be flamed but so be it.>>
Asshole...
--
*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
I'm not an alien, but I play one on TV.
Niki
> k says:
> >>I rarely post but it is aggravating and a waste of time and space to
> scroll through every thing.>>
> Then stay the fuck away, that'll solve your problem...
ROFLMAO! Go AFB !
> >>I know I will be flamed but so be it.>>
> Asshole...
Right on !! lol
T. David Bamford
"..."
David
Top-posters cheerfully ignored.
Remove SPAM to reply via e-mail.
missmary
or bottom.....m
Carol Frilegh
kokopup <soni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If we all did what we were supposed to there would be no stories for
soap operas. For my two cents, post where you are happy but keep
posting!
--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman
Carol Frilegh
<tdba...@SPAMgwi.net> wrote:
> >I keep reading a message that you are suppose to post on bottom. Well I
> >don't like that as I have read the first post and have to reread it again
> >and when there are many post then I have to sift through all of the previous
> >post to find the new one. I rarely post but it is aggravating and a waste of
> >time and space to scroll through every thing. I know I will be flamed but
> >so be it.
> >Kokopup
Pup, there is no shame in taking flame. get yourself an asbestoes thong
and hang in there!
Sarah Estell
"kokopup" <soni...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I keep reading a message that you are suppose to post on bottom. Well I
> don't like that
What you like you like or don't like really isn't the issue. The FAQ's for
the group set bottom posting as the way to go. And besides, don't you have
to read through the whole message anyway in order to know what you are
responding to?
SarahE
Kim
soni...@yahoo.com says...
> I keep reading a message that you are suppose to post on bottom. Well I
> don't like that
There are so many other things that it is fun and acceptable to do on
top, why not go with the FAQ's and post the conventional way!
-kim
coasterqueen
"The Baba" wrote in message
> k says:
> >>I rarely post but it is aggravating and a waste of time and space to
> scroll through every thing.>>
>
> Then stay the fuck away, that'll solve your problem...
That's right, baby. Sic her! :-)
--
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert
Barbara Wolfe
The real problem for me, isn't the top posting, since
at least 80% of the time the person is responding to a post
I have just finished reading and my memory is not that short.
Yet...
The problem is that many people don't seem to understand
the art of judicious snipping or the reasons behind it. It drives
me NUTS to scroll down through four or five screens of old messages
to arrive at "You hit the nail on the head" or some such thing.
BTW, in Netscape the default seems to be top posting unless
you change it and you have to know where in the menu to do that.
Fortunately, I both saw that and read enough tirades before I started
posting to save my skin from a scalding scolding or two. <g>
Barbara
Ron Hubbard
your or a message? You know some software like Outlook Express
AUTOMATICALLY places text at the top and makes it difficult for someone
responding to a post to place text at the bottom, especially for long
text where ten people have responded, each time repeating the same
message and adding their own. How easy is it read that?
"Niki" <n...@n.tv> wrote in message
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mzmeryze
<hubba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>And what if, as in this instance, the person is the only one to post to
>your or a message? You know some software like Outlook Express
>AUTOMATICALLY places text at the top and makes it difficult for someone
>responding to a post to place text at the bottom, especially for long
>text where ten people have responded, each time repeating the same
>message and adding their own. How easy is it read that?
>
As easy as this. How hard is it to cut and paste exactly what you're
responding to. People are just lazy, I guess.
T. David Bamford
wrote:
*DING-DING-DING*...!!!! We have a winner...!!!!
coasterqueen
"mzmeryze" wrote in message
"Ron Hubbard" wrote:
>
> >And what if, as in this instance, the person is the only one to post to
> >your or a message? You know some software like Outlook Express
> >AUTOMATICALLY places text at the top and makes it difficult for someone
<snip>
>
> As easy as this. How hard is it to cut and paste exactly what you're
> responding to. People are just lazy, I guess.
With Outlook Express, you don't have cut and paste. Just scroll down to the
bottom of the message you're responding to.
Sarah Estell
"Ron Hubbard" <hubba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> And what if, as in this instance, the person is the only one to post to
> your or a message?
It still is not appropriate per the FAQ.
You know some software like Outlook Express
> AUTOMATICALLY places text at the top and makes it difficult for someone
> responding to a post to place text at the bottom, especially for long
> text where ten people have responded, each time repeating the same
> message and adding their own. How easy is it read that?
I use Outlook Express. Posting at the bottom (or in the middle when
discussing points at various spots in a post) is no more difficult than
using the scroll bar. I can't imagine anyone that would find scrolling to
be "difficult." - at least anyone who is using a computer.
SarahE
Sarah Estell
"mzmeryze" <scree...@domain.com> wrote in message
news:c21n009ana0qut224...@4ax.com...
You don't even have to cut and past. Just scroll to the bottom and start
typing!
SarahE
>
KellyH
> >>I keep reading a message that you are suppose to post on bottom. Well I
> >>don't like that
> >
Then Barbara said:
> The problem is that many people don't seem to understand
> the art of judicious snipping or the reasons behind it. It drives
> me NUTS to scroll down through four or five screens of old messages
> to arrive at "You hit the nail on the head" or some such thing.
> BTW, in Netscape the default seems to be top posting unless
> you change it and you have to know where in the menu to do that.
> Fortunately, I both saw that and read enough tirades before I started
> posting to save my skin from a scalding scolding or two. <g>
>
The best way to post, IMHO, is to quote the original, if it is a long post,
SNIP it down to the important parts, and post at the bottom, or, in between
the points, putting your response after the related point. If you are
responding to a post that has a number or responses, you do not have to
quote every post in the thread. Just the one to which you are responding.
I also don't like scrolling through a big long post just to read "I agree!"
I will give RATSC props for being one of the few ng's where bottom-posting
is the norm. Some of the other ng's I read, it's mostly top-posting, and
that can be real annoying when threads get long and you aren't sure what
exactly someone is responding to. Also, sometimes someone does bottom post,
but they have no indication of what's original and what's theirs. Now THAT
is annoying!
-----
Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
Check out www.snittens.com
ravelation
scree...@domain.com (mzmeryze)
wrote:
>As easy as this. How hard is it to cut and
>paste exactly what you're responding to.
>People are just lazy, I guess.
And, if a Webtv'er can do it, what's your excuse? (Not *your* excuse,
but their excuse?)
Seriously, this little ravelation takes a buttload of steam out of a
bunch of lazy 'puter people who profess to being superior (to us on
webtv) because they access through a "Computer".
Cut and paste is your friend, people! Try hitting 'delete' on the
unrelated discussion within a posting that's cascading.
I'm just sayin'....
Ravl
The Baba
>>People are just lazy, I guess.>>
And assholes as well...
--
*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose. But you should never
pick your friend's nose.
mzmeryze
<coaster...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"mzmeryze" wrote in message
>
> "Ron Hubbard" wrote:
>>
>> >And what if, as in this instance, the person is the only one to post to
>> >your or a message? You know some software like Outlook Express
>> >AUTOMATICALLY places text at the top and makes it difficult for someone
><snip>
>>
>> As easy as this. How hard is it to cut and paste exactly what you're
>> responding to. People are just lazy, I guess.
>
>With Outlook Express, you don't have cut and paste.
Sure you do. I used Outlook Express for a long time. All you do is go
in there, highlight the text you want OUT OF THERE, and hit CUT. It's
a process, yes, but an important one.
coasterqueen
"mzmeryze" wrote in message
"coasterqueen" wrote:
> Sure you do. I used Outlook Express for a long time. All you do is go
> in there, highlight the text you want OUT OF THERE, and hit CUT. It's
> a process, yes, but an important one.
Ohhhhh, see you've just taught me something! All of this time, I've been
reading the message, then highlighting the part I didn't want and deleting
it, then responding. It's so much simpler to cut and paste and then
respond. Thanks
So maybe people aren't necessary lazy, maybe they just don't know how.
Judy
Or highlight and then hit backspace. Or highlight and then hit Enter. Or
don't highlight, just start at the end of what you want gone and keep your
finger on Backspace until it's gone.
And even though it tries to start your reply at the top, all you have to do
is move the already posted message back up to the top (by cutting or somehow
deleting the space above it), then go down to the bottom (while deleting
anything that is not pertinent to your response) and then type your reply.
I have always used OE. And I managed to use it on this message and do all
the things I said above. Honestly, until I played with it while typing this
message, I had never noticed that when you highlight that CUT becomes
available.
It's only difficult if you are.
~~Judy
Judy
Now tell me what I'm responding to. You can't tell for certain without
reading through the whole message.
That's why you don't top post.
"T. David Bamford" <tdba...@SPAMgwi.net> wrote in message
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Judy
news:400bc1c6...@news.gwi.net...
And rude.
NOW - isn't this message easier to make sense out of than my other one? You
read from top to bottom and get the gist of the entire conversation. If you
remember all the previous posts, then it will go quickly. More quickly than
when you post something at the top that responds to something, somewhere in
the long stream of messages that come below.
To save yourself a few seconds, you waste everybody else's time. Whatever
you have to say isn't all that important (admittedly true for me also) so
why would you make it more difficult for the person you're trying to
communicate with? It's not that big a deal for you to NOT top post and it
makes reading easier for everyone else.
It's all a matter of manners.
~~Judy
T. David Bamford
>And rude.
>Now tell me what I'm responding to. You can't tell for certain without
>reading through the whole message.
>That's why you don't top post.
Brilliant, Judy. Well said.
T. David Bamford
>> Sure you do. I used Outlook Express for a long time. All you do is go
>> in there, highlight the text you want OUT OF THERE, and hit CUT. It's
>> a process, yes, but an important one.
Coasterqueen:
>Ohhhhh, see you've just taught me something! All of this time, I've been
>reading the message, then highlighting the part I didn't want and deleting
>it, then responding. It's so much simpler to cut and paste and then
>respond. Thanks
>So maybe people aren't necessary lazy, maybe they just don't know how.
Which would make them too lazy to LEARN, right...?
coasterqueen
"Judy" wrote in message
> "mzmeryze" wrote in message
"coasterqueen" wrote:
>
> > >With Outlook Express, you don't have cut and paste.
>
> > Sure you do. I used Outlook Express for a long time. All you do is go
> > in there, highlight the text you want OUT OF THERE, and hit CUT. It's
> > a process, yes, but an important one.
>
> Or highlight and then hit backspace. Or highlight and then hit Enter. Or
> don't highlight, just start at the end of what you want gone and keep your
> finger on Backspace until it's gone.
>
> And even though it tries to start your reply at the top, all you have to
do
> is move the already posted message back up to the top (by cutting or
somehow
> deleting the space above it), then go down to the bottom (while deleting
> anything that is not pertinent to your response) and then type your reply.
That's what I was talking about when I said you don't have to cut and paste.
The top-poster only has to scroll down to the end of the message they are
replying too. After they've mastered the scrolling then they can experiment
with cutting and pasting.
>
> I have always used OE. And I managed to use it on this message and do all
> the things I said above. Honestly, until I played with it while typing
this
> message, I had never noticed that when you highlight that CUT becomes
> available.
Neither did I. I've always just highlighted and hit the delete key. But I
think cutting and pasting just might be a little quicker. I'll have to play
with it.
--
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert
>
Danishone2
I don't care if someone posts top, bottom, or sideways as long as they have
something interesting to say and do so in an articulate way.
Posting is not a right, it's a privilege...one that's being abused here on a
daily basis.
mzmeryze
you said didn't make sense, though. But why did you write what you
wrote when you writ. Curious.
--Phil
yeah, not quoting people is fun! : )
Ron Hubbard
dozen lines of text to get to the bottom, I'll do-- but not for people like
you-- but because the situation may call for it. If it doesn't, well, then--
If you and others think that's rude, you probably have psychological problem
and should seek help for being so anal retentive.
By the way, why didn't you bitch about this to Microsoft who made its email
program respond by "top posting?" Too lazy? Or just too apathetic to deal
with the people who are really at fault?
"Judy" <noway...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Ron Hubbard
"Sarah Estell" <est...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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I said when its an answer to a question nobody else has bothered to answer
to (and probably wouldn't have bothered answering if someone like me didn't
answer it) and there's no long item to scroll down to.
Where's the logic of scrolling down forty lines just to post the inevitable
"Me, to," or "Yep" or some other brilliant answer? Just in this thread
alone, there has been over twenty posts to say the same thing, so scrolling
all the way down to the last message to reply with a terse or succinct
message that may be to the point is more admirable, why? Just because every
other moron does it, so you got to do it too? Or is one's attention span
just too short to remember the point without refreshing it at each post?
More monkeys picking fleas off of each other, I guess.
Sarah Estell
>
>
> Where's the logic of scrolling down forty lines just to post the
inevitable
> "Me, to," or "Yep" or some other brilliant answer?
There is no logic there which is why the FAQs also state that people should
snip judiciously. As I did with your post, I deleted all but the part that
I was replying to. I completely agree with you that scrolling down and down
and down only to find a "me too" at the bottom is annoying. But so is top
posting.
SarahE
Judy
> By the way, why didn't you bitch about this to Microsoft who made its
> program respond by "top posting?" Too lazy? Or just too apathetic to deal
> with the people who are really at fault?
Because it's not that big of a deal to work with the system they have and
still adhere to the guidelines of this group. I couldn't tell you that it
only takes two seconds to adjust the post because it's something I just do
without consideration of the time involved.
It is part of the agreed rules of the group - from way back when it was set
up. And the rule was made for clarity.
It *is* confusing to read a top post response when it is answering a post
that I read yesterday and may not remember with any accuracy. I can see
that when you're typing a response immediately after reading a post that
it's perfectly clear to you. It's still fresh in your mind because you just
read it. But when I read it the next day, it's not so clear to me. I have
to make an effort to understand what you are saying, rather than you making
the effort.
The question of rudeness is best answered by considering whether you are
writing to see your own words or if you are writing for some other audience.
If you are writing to voice your thoughts to an audience, then you must
consider how the audience will view your post.
~~Judy
DonnaB
<bul681$islkh$1...@ID-43450.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Ron Hubbard"
<hubba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If you and others think that's rude, you probably have psychological problem
> and should seek help for being so anal retentive.
Yes, in RATSa the accusation was being neurotic. Nothing like
name-callers to point fingers at themselves when that wasn't where
they aimed! LOL
> By the way, why didn't you bitch about this to Microsoft who made its email
> program respond by "top posting?" Too lazy? Or just too apathetic to deal
> with the people who are really at fault?
E-mail programs have nothing to do with Usenet and Outlook Express
isn't set to top post. The cursor has to land somewhere. You can have
it land at the bottom just as easily as the top. It's just called
learning how to use your software & choose the appropriate settings,
whatever they are. That's one thing, at least, MS did right on that,
have as much as possible be user-set.
--
DonnaB 8^> Yahoo: shallotpeel <*>
"Every day when you do well, you put a brick in the wall.
And on days you don't, you don't tear the whole wall down.
You just don't put in a brick for that day." - Dr. Harding
DonnaB
<bul7ck$idjjd$1...@ID-43450.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Ron Hubbard"
<hubba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I said when its an answer to a question nobody else has bothered to answer
> to (and probably wouldn't have bothered answering if someone like me didn't
> answer it) and there's no long item to scroll down to.
Huh?
> Where's the logic of scrolling down forty lines just to post the inevitable
> "Me, to," or "Yep" or some other brilliant answer?
Well, those posts are against the FAQs as well. That's nothing but a
waste of bandwidth.
But, the sense of it is that you selectively quote or auto-quote most
or all & you either page down/space down to edit out & reply OR you
page up/scroll up to edit out & reply. Very simple.
> Just in this thread
> alone, there has been over twenty posts to say the same thing,
Yet, apparently you're an example of someone who has yet to comprehend
what's being described. Is it any wonder that some things get said
more than once? But, let's be fair, to all of ourselves, this is
Usenet & often not every post will get to everyone & more often they
will get to different people at different times, in different orders.
So, yes, there will always be a certain amount of repetition because
others don't necessarily know that someone else has already said what
they said, too. Oops. The nature of the beast, Usenet.
> so scrolling
> all the way down to the last message to reply with a terse or succinct
> message that may be to the point is more admirable, why? Just because every
> other moron does it, so you got to do it too? Or is one's attention span
> just too short to remember the point without refreshing it at each post?
Are you just not listening? You're not, yet, describing what the goal
is of the FAQs.
I hope this helps.
DonnaB
<d7vOb.34268$873.7...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "missmary"
<miss...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> when i return a post my page is blank so i know not weather it posts on top
> or bottom.....m
Your page does not have to be blank. You can be quoting or
paraphrasing as the FAQs ask.
coasterqueen
--
Music is the Prozac of my life - Ottmar Liebert
"DonnaB" wrote in message
<snip>
>
> E-mail programs have nothing to do with Usenet and Outlook Express
> isn't set to top post. <snip>
Diane
In the business world emails are answered with top posting. A lot of us are
used to that type of replying. I try to remember to bottom post - because
that is what some people like in this group. If I come across a long
message with several replies - a lot of times I will read the last one or
two replies to jog my memory of the subject. If I were top posting - I
would only have to go through a small amount of text - but bottom posting is
sometimes quite a lot of scrolling to get to the very bottom and then read a
small amount and type at the bottom.
Agreed rules of the group? There are newcomers to this group every day
(where are the rules posted for this group?) and not all groups "require"
bottom posting and y'all sure get nasty with people who do.
Cut and paste is important in long messages. The only problem with that is
if you accidentally cut something incorrectly - the wrong words get
attributed to the wrong poster and someone ends up getting their feelings
hurt.
There are pros and cons to both ways of posting and you will never ever get
everyone to agree on the "correct" way to post. There isn't one.
Diane
Ray Geneburn
Niki
> In the business world emails are answered with top posting.
The business world is not usenet.
> Agreed rules of the group? There are newcomers to this group every day
> (where are the rules posted for this group?) and not all groups "require"
> bottom posting and y'all sure get nasty with people who do.
Good question. I've never seen the FAQ either. But, when in Rome, do as the
Romans do.
> Cut and paste is important in long messages. The only problem with that
is
> if you accidentally cut something incorrectly - the wrong words get
> attributed to the wrong poster and someone ends up getting their feelings
> hurt.
If you accidentally drive on the wrong side of the road, that happens too.
> There are pros and cons to both ways of posting and you will never ever
get
> everyone to agree on the "correct" way to post. There isn't one.
Yes there is. When in group A, follow that protocol. Same as with group B,
etc.
Jennifer Kalman
: In the business world emails are answered with top posting. A lot of us are
: used to that type of replying. I try to remember to bottom post - because
: that is what some people like in this group. If I come across a long
: message with several replies - a lot of times I will read the last one or
: two replies to jog my memory of the subject. If I were top posting - I
: would only have to go through a small amount of text - but bottom posting is
: sometimes quite a lot of scrolling to get to the very bottom and then read a
: small amount and type at the bottom.
This is actually one of the most well written responses I've read.
I dislike top-posting. But after reading this message, I can at least
understand why some people do it.
To me, there are a few reasons why we should post at the bottom.
1.This is a newsgroup where MANY people respond in one thread. It is not
practical for some people to top post, because it is impossible to follow.
2.I think everyone's problems would be solved if people quoted ONLY a
small part of messages. So many people quote entire messages. And it is
tedious for everyone (top and bottom posters).
The Baba
>>snip>>
Fuck you... *Plonk*
--
*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
We drank beer, we played golf, we watched baseball - WE EVOLVED!
Niki
> RG says:
> >>snip>>
> Fuck you... *Plonk*
Fuck you too ! I've w8ed so long !!!!!!!!! :-)