ATWT: Cass & His Crabs
Gregory
Monday.
My score, so far..
Jake: Keep
Vicky: Dump
Cass: Go Away Now!
Lila: Jury is still out.
Worshiped,
but not Gregory
Loved
Linda
Gregory wrote in message <93121648...@news.remarQ.com>...
>That impropteau exposition regarding crabs did not endear me to Cass,
>Monday.
Oh nooooo. Give him a chance. He really is wonderful. He is funny and
ATWT needs some humor right now. ATWT hasn't had a good, humorous character
since...hmm, it's been a long time. I guess maybe it was Justin Dees as
Tom.
Gregory
Linda wrote in message <7lsmm7$t33$1...@mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com>...
I agree that ATWT needs some humor right now. The last lime I laughed out
loud at ATWT was naked Kirk hiding in Lucinda's house. She eventually found
him, hiding behind the couch, covering his bits with her mail. "Kirk, give
me my mail."
I talked to a friend on the phone last night. He was huge AW fan. He said
that for the past few years, Cass had been used for comic relief, and that I
should give him another chance. I am willing to put this debacle down to
the writers, but it did not help introduce a (new to me) character. First
impressions are lasting ones.
Sal Bono & Jane Reel
great lines and the actor Tom W. delivered them very well. As I recall his
delivery was very dry and sometimes barbed but I loved that humor. Although
I can't recall any lines to quote you, they were usually witty and
intelligent comments. Lucinda is another character who has delivered very
intelligent humor in the past. Justin Deas was on ATWT before I got a vcr
so I didn't see him very often back then. But for awhile you could always
count on Kirk to say something funny.
Jane
Linda <linda.s...@lexis-nexis.com> wrote in message
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Brookwooda
>Vicky: Dump
>Cass: Go Away Now!
>Lila: Jury is still out.
I wonder why you'd like to dump Vicky...as an AW fan, she's always been one of
my faves, and especially with Jake. Why don't you like her?
Jedpeck
>>Vicky: Dump
>>Cass: Go Away Now!
>>Lila: Jury is still out.
Jake: Keep
Vicky: Ride her out of town on the rail, unless someone else, like Ellen
Wheeler, who will be directing portrays Vicky (she also originated the role).
Jensen Buchanan is too patrician for "white trash" and her contractual demands
are legend! I don't like her as Vicky--never have. She has her defenders, but
I am not one. When SOD did its rate the replacements, she got a C-; she should
have received an F. She's no Ellen Wheeler or Anne Heche. Hell, even the
atrocious Rhonda Lewin was better...the sooner she goes back to Bay City (which
is located very near Oakdale) the better.
CASS: Does Oakdale really need another lawyer? I love Stephen Schnetzer, but
don't see a place for his character...yet.
LILA: She could function the same as Julie did, but she's not a Snyder and
she's not the Tennessee Williams type belle she was brought on as at
first...after all, in backstory, her mother was a prostitute and Lila was a
witness to some tawdry goings-on in New Orleans.
cheryl
>
> I agree that ATWT needs some humor right now. The last lime I laughed out
> loud at ATWT was naked Kirk hiding in Lucinda's house. She eventually found
> him, hiding behind the couch, covering his bits with her mail. "Kirk, give
> me my mail."
Thanks for the reminder of this! I laughed my you-know-what off at that.Cheryl
8-0
Gregory
Cyndi Glass wrote in message <93131460...@iris.nyx.net>...
>
>Oh, you must have missed out on Kirk Anderson, then. Margo's had her
>share of humorous stuff as well. And the Molly-like Shannon O'Hara, whom I
>loathed just as much.
OOOOOOOOOOOO Another Shannon hater! At the time, the only person I hated
more than Shannon was Duncan. Brad, even if for all the right reasons, like
Duncan, is not the first to force a woman into marrying him. By the way, I
loved Harriet.
DonnaB
netizen "Gregory" <wb...@werewolf.net> posted the following
in Msg# <93126417...@news.remarQ.com> :
| I talked to a friend on the phone last night. He was huge AW fan. He said
| that for the past few years, Cass had been used for comic relief, and that I
| should give him another chance. I am willing to put this debacle down to
| the writers, but it did not help introduce a (new to me) character. First
| impressions are lasting ones.
Here's the thing. Cass has always been there for the comedy,
especially when they'd play off of his history with Felicia,
but, that comedy was a kind of Cary Grant thing, not Adam
Sandler. And, in the past few years Cass has been well-used
in all ways but most especially in one of the most
traditional soap love stories I have ever seen, the real
deal again with everything working. But, that crabs speech
wasn't Cass. Some AW fans are even saying that if that's
what ATWT is going to do TO Cass, then, they'd rather not
have him on at all!! That's HOW wrong the crabs speech was
for Cass. So wrong that it needed a disclaimer & an apology
from whomever wrote it scrolling along the bottom. That
wrong! Get my drift? <G>
So, just as you're having this bad "first" impression of
Cass, some AW fans are having this bad "first" impression of
what ATWT does to classy characters, if you see what I mean.
It would be similar to writing a crossover where Lucinda
stormed into the conference room at Cory Publishing & began
swearing like a sailor because no one had brought her coffee
yet or sumpin'. <BG>
I mean to me they aren't Cass's crabs they're Oakdale's!
LOL, all in the POV.
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netizen moul...@knickerspost.queensu.ca (Lynda Moulton)
posted the following in Msg# <7lt2v3$bqf$3...@knot.queensu.ca>
:
| Not to mention that Lila Roberts Cory Winthrop (Lisa Peluso) was the BEST
| thing Michael Malone did on AW. My favorite scene was while b*tching at Cass,
| she talked him backwards over the couch and stood over him, between his
| upturned legs, still gritching. LOL.
Best & only good thing Michael Malone gave AW!! So many good
memorable scenes with those two.
| It couldnt' have been Laiman writing this yet? I'm surprised Goutman let it
| slide...
Goutman wasn't there yet! FMB was EP through June 4th, at
least, and this stuff was taped beginning Monday May 28th,
right after AW wrapped on 5/25.
| Wish I'd seen the mail bit with Lucinda and Kirk!
Amen. Ya know, ATWT's Kirk was AW's Gil Fenton, Felicia's
chauffeur/lover.
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netizen jed...@aol.com (Jedpeck) posted the following in
Msg# <19990706131203...@ng-fd1.aol.com> :
Jake: Whatever, but pair him with an Oakdale female.
Vicky: Whatever
Cass: KEEP
Lila: KEEP
Ellen Wheeler: Pull her out of the booth & put her in front
of the camera again. Pair her with an Oakdale male.
R. Scott Collishaw: Hire Him!
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Jedpeck
Now this is the soundest idea of all...marvelous wit, sense of humor, etc.
Give this man-boy a job behind the scenes at Oakdale so it gets some wit...
And someone really needs to do something about the show's lighting.
DonnaB
| >R. Scott Collishaw: Hire Him!
|
| Now this is the soundest idea of all...marvelous wit, sense of humor, etc.
| Give this man-boy a job behind the scenes at Oakdale so it gets some wit...
And, he's another for off camera! (Not that he couldn't be
an extra sometime. He'd be a cutie as an ordinary restaurant
diner or whatever.) But his diary of his POV for the last
days of AW as done for SOD is really something to read,
still! Wow.
| And someone really needs to do something about the show's lighting.
Was AW just lit better than other shows all these years & we
took it for granted & didn't realize what a difference it
can make?!!
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Jedpeck
>took it for granted & didn't realize what a difference it
>can make?!!
AW was always lit with wonderful golden hues where people just sparkled...not
like the dull, flat, white light that drowns out everything on ATWT. The
lighting on AW really set mood (even in the dumb cradle-in-the-tree story--very
fairytale like lighting and quite good even if the story stunk, the scenery and
lighting did not). Maybe when the show moves away from CBS central on West
57th into new facilities, lighting will change--and lets hope it's more of a
Y&R type lighting...where things (even the fake outdoor stuff) look *almost*
real....
DonnaB
netizen cgl...@nyx10.nyx.net (Cyndi Glass) posted the
following in Msg# <93146764...@iris.nyx.net> :
| In article <378eb92e...@enews.newsguy.com>,
| DonnaB <wes...@vol.com> wrote:
| >It would be similar to writing a crossover where Lucinda
| >stormed into the conference room at Cory Publishing & began
| >swearing like a sailor because no one had brought her coffee
| >yet or sumpin'. <BG>
|
| But...that we could probably accept out of Lucinda, since it would be
| somewhat in character. :)
Hmm, well, if so, then I wrote an inept comparison. So,
scratch that. I think of Lucinda as power & classy, not
petty & trashy. <G> Maybe I was all off.
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> netizen "Gregory" <wb...@werewolf.net> posted
> | I talked to a friend on the phone last night. He was huge AW fan. He said
> | that for the past few years, Cass had been used for comic relief, and that I
> | should give him another chance. I am willing to put this debacle down to
>
> Here's the thing. Cass has always been there for the comedy,
> especially when they'd play off of his history with Felicia,
> but, that comedy was a kind of Cary Grant thing, not Adam
> wasn't Cass. Some AW fans are even saying that if that's
> what ATWT is going to do TO Cass, then, they'd rather not
> have him on at all!! That's HOW wrong the crabs speech was
> for Cass. So wrong that it needed a disclaimer & an apology
> from whomever wrote it scrolling along the bottom. That
> wrong! Get my drift? <G>
>
> LOL, all in the POV.
> --
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ICAM!!! I couldn't watch it, I left the room. :-( I haven't
been very happy with much of Cass's dialogue, period. Lila's
seems on target, but not Cass. And what are they doing with
his hair... curling it *more* in front??? Something doesn't
look right... is it just too short?
Hopefully, this horrid dialogue will disappear soon. I forgot
to check the credits, has *anything* changed yet?
bjw
Barbara Wolfe
DonnaB wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:00:57 GMT the rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
> netizen cgl...@nyx10.nyx.net (Cyndi Glass) posted the
> following in Msg# <93146764...@iris.nyx.net> :
>
> | In article <378eb92e...@enews.newsguy.com>,
> | DonnaB <wes...@vol.com> wrote:
> | >It would be similar to writing a crossover where Lucinda
> | >stormed into the conference room at Cory Publishing & began
> | >swearing like a sailor because no one had brought her coffee
> | >yet or sumpin'. <BG>
> |
> | But...that we could probably accept out of Lucinda, since it would be
> | somewhat in character. :)
>
> Hmm, well, if so, then I wrote an inept comparison. So,
> scratch that. I think of Lucinda as power & classy, not
> petty & trashy. <G> Maybe I was all off.
No, you weren't. Lucinda would not swear like a
sailor, but she very well might swoop into a room calling
over her shoulder for someone to bring her coffee right
away and for heaven's sake, make sure it isn't the inferior
swill someone served her the day before when her
assistant was out. She is imperious, true, but never trashy.
Barbara
Tim & Lisa Webster
Jedpeck wrote:
> AW was always lit with wonderful golden hues where people just sparkled...not
> like the dull, flat, white light that drowns out everything on ATWT. The
But I don't like that lighting. I like ATWT as it is. I hate that hazy
incredibly fake lighting on soaps that I see on other networks. I much
prefer the bright lights!
Lisa
cheryl
>
> What we won't accept is a dumbed down, weak Lucinda.
I would guess, since Elizabeth Hubbard initially refused to sign a new contract because she was unhappy with the way her character was behaving,
that her return would signal that her character will be back to normal; i.e., strong and forceful.
Cheryl 8-0
Jeri
than any of the other soaps.
Jeri
Gregory
chica...@bell.south.net wrote in message
<37854643...@bell.south.net>...
>ICAM!!! I couldn't watch it, I left the room. :-( I haven't
>been very happy with much of Cass's dialogue, period. Lila's
>seems on target, but not Cass. And what are they doing with
>his hair... curling it *more* in front??? Something doesn't
>look right... is it just too short?
I think it is a wig.
DonnaB
netizen chica...@bell.south.net posted the following in
Msg# <37854643...@bell.south.net> :
| ICAM!!! I couldn't watch it, I left the room. :-( I haven't
| been very happy with much of Cass's dialogue, period. Lila's
| seems on target, but not Cass. And what are they doing with
| his hair... curling it *more* in front??? Something doesn't
| look right... is it just too short?
Yes, I think it's just a bad haircut still. One day finally
I could begin to see the tiniest portion of THE CURL, but I
fear the worst, yes, someone cut it. Alas.
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Tammy P.
>
>
>Yes, I think it's just a bad haircut still. One day finally
>I could begin to see the tiniest portion of THE CURL, but I
>fear the worst, yes, someone cut it. Alas.
According to Lisa Peluso's SOD chat, the ATWT hairdresser
cut Cass' curl off. He plans to grow it back apparently. <g>
Tammy
S. Wardell
class (the 'white trash' statement) Lila is definitely white trash and I
hated her character at first, but she grows on you (outstanding acting,
probably-- she kept the character from becoming a "charicature") But after
AW was blacked out here for about 5 years then revived, I had to catch up
with a lot of the AW storylines, and Jensen B's Vicky seemed more of the
role of the 'reformed' down-to-earth-well-loved type of soap character than
the out of control teen character Vicky from the 70s. AW came back on here
(NW) about the time the character of Ryan died, so that was my first intro
to JB's Vicky and her scenes surrounding his death seemed exceptionallly
well done (good writing AND acting) The actors who portray Jake and Vicky
together have great chemistry. I have switched back and forth between ATWT
and AW for about 3 years so am pretty familiar with characters from both
considering I only watch in summer.
My vote for leaving ATWT would be Reid/Julia/Molly/and both Brad and Jack.
When AW was still on, I would immediately switch away from ATWT whenever any
storyline of the above characters came on screen.
Bring on more Babs an Lila together-- I loved that scene. Have Lila start
working for Babs fashion house. And please bring back more Emma.
I have been watching ATWT since I was little because it was my Gran's only
'story' she watched every afternoon. I loved staying at her house and would
watch along side. My mom would NOT let me watch any soaps at our house ( ;-)
DonnaB <wes...@vol.com> wrote in message >
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netizen t...@cgocable.net (Tammy P.) posted the following in
Msg# <378a7439...@news.cgo.wave.ca> :
See! How cruel! Thank goodness hair grows back. Do you know
if that chat log is up yet & if so where?
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Tammy P.
>On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:04:05 GMT the rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs
>netizen t...@cgocable.net (Tammy P.) posted the following in
>Msg# <378a7439...@news.cgo.wave.ca> :
>
>| On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:26:04 GMT, wes...@vol.com (DonnaB) wrote:
>|
>| >Yes, I think it's just a bad haircut still. One day finally
>| >I could begin to see the tiniest portion of THE CURL, but I
>| >fear the worst, yes, someone cut it. Alas.
>|
>| According to Lisa Peluso's SOD chat, the ATWT hairdresser
>| cut Cass' curl off. He plans to grow it back apparently. <g>
>
>See! How cruel! Thank goodness hair grows back. Do you know
>if that chat log is up yet & if so where?
Yes, it's up at the SOD page (www.soapdigest.com) under the
heading "chat transcripts).
Tammy
DonnaB
netizen "S. Wardell" <sswr...@wolfenet.com> posted the
following in Msg# <7meksf$hs6$1...@sparky.wolfe.net> :
| Isn't Vicky an heiress?
Vicky was sole heir to the Love Family bucks & assets, since
she was the only one of his progeny that he even remotely
liked or thought worthy of his legacy of villainy at the
time of his death! Of course, Jake has money out the wazoo
too, now. When he was thought to be dead & buried in Bay
City he was wondering the financial world as Bunny Eberhart
& making a killing in more than one market. They both grew
up poor, but are poor no more!
| ... But after
| AW was blacked out here for about 5 years then revived, I had to catch up
| with a lot of the AW storylines, and Jensen B's Vicky seemed more of the
| role of the 'reformed' down-to-earth-well-loved type of soap character than
| the out of control teen character Vicky from the 70s.
Basically, Jensen Buchanan's Vicky became Marley. Then, MADD
decided that she should become AW's new traditional heroine.
Everyone loved her as the bad twin, trying to do good or
not, etc. Some people followed her to her cottage with her 2
sons where she still couldn't cook but didn't get into stuff
anymore. ???
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