GL -- Holly and Blake
Shawn H
It sort of burns me up that Vanessa keeps getting called back for Dinah,
but Holly never gets called back for Blake.
I know it's because Dinah's on all the time, and Blake isn't, anymore.
Which sucks, because Liz is a trouper and is there with everything they
need whenever they need it. Just watch her work this Jeffrey story, the
death of everyone's career except for Laura Wright.
It's interesting that Van and Dinah don't need a man to define them on the
show (they can change partners), but Holly needs Roger and Blake needs
Ross, period.
If only Ed were around, Holly might actually see the light of day. But I
don't blame Peter Simon for getting fed up.
I just hate that Holly doesn't matter since Roger died. She shouldn't just
be his adjunct.
With Van's it's the other way around: Matt never appears except as a talk
to for Dinah or Van, even when Van isn't on contract.
Shawn H.
.... .**.....*.. . **. * ....*.... . . * . . ** .
"Daddy knew a good man when he saw one....
I guess I learned it from him," says Vanessa, as Matt
suppresses a smile
shill...@fas.harvard.edu
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Erica C.
Shawn H wrote:
> It sort of burns me up that Vanessa keeps getting called back for Dinah,
> but Holly never gets called back for Blake.
>
> I know it's because Dinah's on all the time, and Blake isn't, anymore.
> Which sucks, because Liz is a trouper and is there with everything they
> need whenever they need it. Just watch her work this Jeffrey story, the
> death of everyone's career except for Laura Wright.
>
> It's interesting that Van and Dinah don't need a man to define them on the
> show (they can change partners), but Holly needs Roger and Blake needs
> Ross, period.
>
> If only Ed were around, Holly might actually see the light of day. But I
> don't blame Peter Simon for getting fed up.
>
> I just hate that Holly doesn't matter since Roger died. She shouldn't just
> be his adjunct.
>
> With Van's it's the other way around: Matt never appears except as a talk
> to for Dinah or Van, even when Van isn't on contract.
>
> Shawn H.
This is an interesting analysis. I do have some questions though.
Didn't Holly have storylines after Roger left the show? She was
married to Fletcher and then went crazy when he left and took their
daughter with him, I believe. More recently I thought she and
Sebastian were very interesting until they wrote him into a corner and
made him disappear.
Also, having seen Blake with Philip and Alan-Michael, I have trouble
seeing her as defined by Ross. Of course, that doesn't mean TPTB
think about things the way I do.
I wish Holly, Vanessa and Blake were all on more. And Matt and Ed for
that matter. :)
Erica C.
Jude Cormier
"Erica C." <random_t...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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quicker than a hot potato.
If anyone still represents old guard GL, it's Holly and it is shameful than
TPTB don't realize what a treasure she is.
As for Maureen Garrett, she has gone on with her life, starting her own
business, I believe. Don't recall what though.
Shawn H
: They also started a storyline involving her and Alan that was dropped
: quicker than a hot potato.
And remember the picnics with Billy? That was before Ed came back the
second to last time, and didn't stay.
: If anyone still represents old guard GL, it's Holly and it is shameful than
: TPTB don't realize what a treasure she is.
Very much so.
: As for Maureen Garrett, she has gone on with her life, starting her own
: business, I believe. Don't recall what though.
That's nice to hear.
Shawn H.
Shawn H
: This is an interesting analysis. I do have some questions though.
: Didn't Holly have storylines after Roger left the show? She was
: married to Fletcher and then went crazy when he left and took their
: daughter with him, I believe. More recently I thought she and
Roger was still on the show (or at least not officially severed yet), at
the end in the person of Dennis Parlato rather than Michael Zaslow, during
that time. Fletcher left her because she was seeing Roger again, and
couldn't promise to stop.
Then she went crazy a very, very long time later, turning out to be the
Springfield stalker threatening bad moms (including her own daughter),
until Reva talked her down from (I think) driving a bus full of kids off a
bridge. This was not a very good period to be Holly.
: Sebastian were very interesting until they wrote him into a corner and
: made him disappear.
In a story that was about Sebastian, as Roger's son, picking up where Roger
left off, and giving us closure on Roger, and then gone again. I didn't
find they'd written him into a corner. What'd he do, kill Tony? Big loss.
They just wrote him off, period.
: Also, having seen Blake with Philip and Alan-Michael, I have trouble
: seeing her as defined by Ross. Of course, that doesn't mean TPTB
: think about things the way I do.
Has she done anything other than have scenes with Ross in years? The whole
Ben/Ross thing was a story, and the stalker that Ross developed from
teaching was too, and occasional forays into her literary career, but
Philip and Alan-Michael was a whole different world (and different Blake)
ago.
: I wish Holly, Vanessa and Blake were all on more. And Matt and Ed for
: that matter. :)
Agreed. That's all I'm saying.
Shawn H.
KC
<sh...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>Erica C. <random_t...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>: This is an interesting analysis. I do have some questions though.
>
>: Didn't Holly have storylines after Roger left the show? She was
>: married to Fletcher and then went crazy when he left and took their
>: daughter with him, I believe. More recently I thought she and
>
>Roger was still on the show (or at least not officially severed yet), at
>the end in the person of Dennis Parlato rather than Michael Zaslow, during
>that time. Fletcher left her because she was seeing Roger again, and
>couldn't promise to stop.
>
>Then she went crazy a very, very long time later, turning out to be the
>Springfield stalker threatening bad moms (including her own daughter),
>until Reva talked her down from (I think) driving a bus full of kids off a
>bridge. This was not a very good period to be Holly.
>
>: Sebastian were very interesting until they wrote him into a corner and
>: made him disappear.
>
>In a story that was about Sebastian, as Roger's son, picking up where Roger
>left off, and giving us closure on Roger, and then gone again. I didn't
>find they'd written him into a corner. What'd he do, kill Tony? Big loss.
>They just wrote him off, period.
Well, locking Holly and Michelle in a cage for weeks was kind of a
corner in my book. I didn't even remember the Tony thing, in fact, I
had to stop and think about what you were talking about! I guess I
regained those brain cells I lost during the whole Tony, Michelle,
"Light" story.
>
>: Also, having seen Blake with Philip and Alan-Michael, I have trouble
>: seeing her as defined by Ross. Of course, that doesn't mean TPTB
>: think about things the way I do.
>
>Has she done anything other than have scenes with Ross in years? The whole
>Ben/Ross thing was a story, and the stalker that Ross developed from
>teaching was too, and occasional forays into her literary career, but
>Philip and Alan-Michael was a whole different world (and different Blake)
>ago.
>
I have enjoyed her friendship with Harley and Cassie, though.
KC
Erica C.
LOL.
He didn't kill Tony. Tony fell off a cliff after a fight with Danny. I
think. Or both Michelle and Tony fell off and Danny could only save
one so Tony let go. I'd forgotten how much I couldn't stand Michelle
and Tony.
Sebastian killed that guy who knew that Alan had shot Phillip. He was
a doctor maybe? This is when Harley and Gus were on the run and
staying on that soap set.
I really had liked Sebastian and Holly's interactions. Despite the
cage nonsense.
Erica C. (has Blake noticed that her brother is missing?)
Shawn H
: He didn't kill Tony. Tony fell off a cliff after a fight with Danny. I
: think. Or both Michelle and Tony fell off and Danny could only save
: one so Tony let go. I'd forgotten how much I couldn't stand Michelle
: and Tony.
But wasn't Tony like horribly injured or snakebit or something on the
island, searching for Michelle? I know he came there and confronted
Sebastian.
: Sebastian killed that guy who knew that Alan had shot Phillip. He was
: a doctor maybe? This is when Harley and Gus were on the run and
: staying on that soap set.
That was later, though, when Sebastian was trying to worm his way into
Spaulding as Alan's flunky. It didn't last long, and Sebastian washed his
hands of the whole thing.
: I really had liked Sebastian and Holly's interactions. Despite the
: cage nonsense.
: Erica C. (has Blake noticed that her brother is missing?)
I think she remembers Hart, but not Sebastian at this point.
Shawn H.
Shawn H
: Well, locking Holly and Michelle in a cage for weeks was kind of a
: corner in my book. I didn't even remember the Tony thing, in fact, I
: had to stop and think about what you were talking about! I guess I
: regained those brain cells I lost during the whole Tony, Michelle,
: "Light" story.
Maybe in time, we'll all heal. :)
What I remember most about that story was that Holly wore a really
flattering green wrap dress (maybe a Diane von Furstenburg?) that was very
popular amongst celebrities that year.
And Tony grew a beard, which was kinda hot.
: >Has she done anything other than have scenes with Ross in years? The whole
: >Ben/Ross thing was a story, and the stalker that Ross developed from
: >teaching was too, and occasional forays into her literary career, but
: >Philip and Alan-Michael was a whole different world (and different Blake)
: >ago.
: >
: I have enjoyed her friendship with Harley and Cassie, though.
Me too, though I don't think it happens enough to really keep it
convincing. Why can't they put HER with Frank now? Police cheif dates
mayor's widow? It writes itself! Somebody should be giving Olivia a run
for her money other than dull Ava.
Shawn H.
Erica C.
Shawn H wrote:
> Erica C. <random_t...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> : He didn't kill Tony. Tony fell off a cliff after a fight with Danny. I
> : think. Or both Michelle and Tony fell off and Danny could only save
> : one so Tony let go. I'd forgotten how much I couldn't stand Michelle
> : and Tony.
>
> But wasn't Tony like horribly injured or snakebit or something on the
> island, searching for Michelle? I know he came there and confronted
> Sebastian.
That's right. Tony was hurt and Michelle helped him after Sebastian's
people found him.
Tony didn't die then. It was later and had nothing to do with
Sebastian.
>
> : Sebastian killed that guy who knew that Alan had shot Phillip. He was
> : a doctor maybe? This is when Harley and Gus were on the run and
> : staying on that soap set.
>
> That was later, though, when Sebastian was trying to worm his way into
> Spaulding as Alan's flunky. It didn't last long, and Sebastian washed his
> hands of the whole thing.
>
Oh, right. He kidnapped Lizzie who made herself so annoying that he
gave up and let her go. Was that the last we saw of him?
> : I really had liked Sebastian and Holly's interactions. Despite the
> : cage nonsense.
>
> : Erica C. (has Blake noticed that her brother is missing?)
>
> I think she remembers Hart, but not Sebastian at this point.
:)
Maybe Sebastian can come back, expose Jeffrey's past and help her win
the election.
Erica C.
Shawn H
: That's right. Tony was hurt and Michelle helped him after Sebastian's
: people found him.
: Tony didn't die then. It was later and had nothing to do with
: Sebastian.
Yep, I remember now. Sort of. I didn't care when Tony died, but I liked
him on the island being all "castaway."
: > That was later, though, when Sebastian was trying to worm his way into
: > Spaulding as Alan's flunky. It didn't last long, and Sebastian washed his
: > hands of the whole thing.
: Oh, right. He kidnapped Lizzie who made herself so annoying that he
: gave up and let her go. Was that the last we saw of him?
Yes! That was a funny scene. If there's one thing that Lizzie could do, it
was be annoying. We're confusing the two stories because both involved
Sebastien threatening people in aircraft, I think.
: > I think she remembers Hart, but not Sebastian at this point.
: Maybe Sebastian can come back, expose Jeffrey's past and help her win
: the election.
Maybe he can *kill* Jeffrey, and she becomes mayor by default!
Shawn H.
Erica C.
> : Maybe Sebastian can come back, expose Jeffrey's past and help her win
> : the election.
>
> Maybe he can *kill* Jeffrey, and she becomes mayor by default!
Oh, I see. You're looking for ways to redeem Sebastian. ;)
Erica C.
jean
wrote:
>
>>
>> : Sebastian killed that guy who knew that Alan had shot Phillip. He was
>> : a doctor maybe? This is when Harley and Gus were on the run and
>> : staying on that soap set.
>>
>> That was later, though, when Sebastian was trying to worm his way into
>> Spaulding as Alan's flunky. It didn't last long, and Sebastian washed his
>> hands of the whole thing.
>>
>
>Oh, right. He kidnapped Lizzie who made herself so annoying that he
>gave up and let her go. Was that the last we saw of him?
He was on the Spaulding jet and opened the cockpit door and said to
the pilot "Just get me out of here".
jean
wrote:
>
OMG, someone else who could be behind "Springfield Burns"!