Re: Joan Collins dishes the dirt on Linda Evans
Jim Beaver
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> Joan Collins: Why I'll never work with Linda Evans again!
Why I'd never work with either of them.
Jim Beaver
Richard Schultz
:> Joan Collins: Why I'll never work with Linda Evans again!
: Why I'd never work with either of them.
Not because if Captain Kirk hadn't intervened, Joan Collins would have
enabled the Nazis to win World War 2?
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> Joan Collins: Why I'll never work with Linda Evans again!
Linda Evans is still tainted by that sex scene with Joe Don Baker.
Brandon
Grant Hurlock
>
Never watched Dynasty (so don't get the catfight), but Island in the Sun
iconography here is clear.
(1950s Joan Collins & 1960s Linda Evans--each quite amazing!)
MarkH
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> Joan Collins: Why I'll never work with Linda Evans again!
>
>
> Their vicious onscreen catfights helped turn Dynasty into a 1980s TV
> hit.
>
> Then, last year, Joan Collins, 74, and Linda Evans, 64, reunited to
> play a pair of feuding former Hollywood stars in a touring play. Now,
> in an extraordinary one-off extract from her personal diary, Joan
> reveals the truth about the worst theatrical experience of her life.
>
> Spring 2005: New York
>
> At last - a funny play that has the perfect role for me. It's called
> Legends, and my character, Sylvia, is a sharp and witty former
> Hollywood star who's fallen on hard times. She meets up with her rival
> Leatrice - a drippy type who used to play nuns and nurses - and away
> we go. Lots of badinage, bitching, insults and all-out hand-to-hand
> fighting.
>
> But who's going to play Leatrice?
>
> It has to be the right actress or the whole thing could collapse like
> a tent in the wind.
>
> The idea of doing a tour, culminating on Broadway, comes from a
> producer called Ben Sprecher - who turns out to be a short, bald man
> with what I suspect is a bit of a Napoleon complex. My husband, Percy
> Gibson, will also be onboard as one of the producers.
>
> Scroll down for more...
>
> Summer 2005
>
> Legends was last performed in 1986, so it will need a lot of updating.
> Percy and I work on the dialogue to try to make it funnier and submit
> some rewrites.
>
> Ben Sprecher and the director, John Bowab, love all our changes, which
> are seamlessly incorporated.
>
> Autumn 2005
>
> I'm not thrilled when Ben suggests Linda Evans to play Leatrice. We
> starred together for nine years in the TV series Dynasty - she played
> saintly Krystal and I played bitchy Alexis.
>
> However, I'm convinced she's always disliked me, since she rarely
> spoke to me on set. Ben tells me that he's talked to Linda and "she's
> (pause) fond of you".
>
> "I don't believe her," I say. "She needs the work, and for God's sake,
> she's never been on stage at all - and she wasn't even that good on
> TV!"
>
> "The bookers want Linda," he says firmly, so that's that.
>
> Why do I have this sudden sense of foreboding?
>
> I tell Percy: "I want this 30-week tour to be fun - and I don't think
> it will be with her."
>
> August 2006: Los Angeles
>
> I arrange an interview on Larry King Live for Linda and me.
>
> When Percy and I arrive at the studio, Linda is already there with her
> manager/agent, Mike Greenfield. He's a rough man who curses at every
> opportunity and slinks around glaring at me but not daring to say a
> word.
>
> He's always disliked me, but I don't know why.
>
> Larry puts us in a tight spot when he asks: "Joan Collins and Linda
> Evans - who decides who gets first billing?"
>
> Quickly and rather diplomatically, I reply: "Oh, Larry, it's simply
> alphabetical, of course."
>
> As we wrap the interview, I notice Greenfield - whom I've privately
> nicknamed the Toad - bending Percy's ear about something.
>
> (Much later, after the tour is under way, Percy tells me that the Toad
> said: "You'd better keep your lady in line and not let her pull any
> diva s**t, or Linda will be very unhappy." Percy told him: "I've
> worked with Joan for over five years and she is nothing but
> professional, punctual and hard-working - but she won't be bullied.")
>
> Late August 2006: New York Linda arrives at first rehearsal with
> cosmetic-surgery tape over and under her eyelids and underneath her
> chin.
>
> Naturally, the cast all pretend to ignore this, but it's obvious she's
> come straight from either the face-lift shop or a car crash.
>
> She also has the weirdest collagen-enhanced lips I've ever seen. In
> fact, she epitomises the expression 'trout pout', with those huge lips
> that make her look like a gargoyle when she smiles. It's quite
> off-putting to have to look at that face, which used to be so pretty,
> and pretend not to notice.
>
> Everyone who sees Linda is shocked by how she's spoiled her looks.
>
> (Later, one of our reviews even says: "Evans' face, sadly, has
> undergone the kind of transformation that results in permanently
> pursed lips and little facial expression.")
>
> In rehearsals, we're now mapping out the fight scenes, during which we
> rip off each other's wigs, throw them at each other and have a pillow
> fight.
>
> Linda says: "I love to fight. Barbara Stanwyck taught me to do my own
> stunts. I don't do car crashes or falling off buildings, but fighting
> with another woman is not a problem for me."
>
> Well, ha, ha, and thanks, Linda - but this woman was taught by Gene
> Kelly never to do your own stunts.
>
> "Firstly," he told me, "it's dangerous, and second, you're putting
> some poor stunt girl out of work."
>
> So I subscribe to the Kelly theory - or have done ever since twice
> ending up in hospital after an over-enthusiastic bout of cat-fighting
> with Krystal on Dynasty.
>
> Once, in our infamous lily-pond fight, she pulled my leg so hard that
> it was practically dislocated; and, another time, I ended up in the
> emergency ward with a dislocated neck vertebra.
>
> I voice my concerns to the producer and director, but they pooh-pooh
> them. Still, they do agree to hire the best fight director in NY.
>
> I can't see why we have to run rapidly around the set several times,
> pushing and shoving each other hard, actually hitting each other over
> the head with pillows, swatting each other in the face with the wigs.
> Isn't a fight director supposed to show us how to simulate all this?
>
> I'm starting to feel we won't get to the first performance without an
> injury, never mind the 300 others we're contracted to do.
>
> A few days later, I discover that the person hired by our esteemed
> producer is not a fight director at all, but a choreographer.
>
> At this point, I put my foot down: I refuse to let Linda rip my wig
> off onstage (and vice versa) and insist that this be done off-stage,
> where we can continue screaming while we carefully unpin our wigs.
> Otherwise, by the end of the run, we'll have no hair left!
>
> Finally, the moves are restaged so that neither of us will get hurt -
> although Linda insists on doing a dramatic fall off the sofa on to the
> floor when I push her. Let's see how sanguine she is about that after
> 30 weeks!
>
> Over these three weeks of rehearsals, Linda seems sweet and naive and
> very vulnerable. She's clearly worried about being on stage for the
> first time and has actually broken down in tears in front of Percy.
>
> I help her with her make-up and hair; I find her an acting coach she
> can work with after rehearsals; I give her advice on what to expect on
> tour; and I tell her what she should concentrate on. I keep asking the
> director to help her with her voice projection as well, as it's almost
> impossible to hear her on stage.
>
> As time wears on, Linda gets better and grows in confidence - although
> her acting coach tells me: "Her body language is not good and she has
> very little stage presence."
>
> To try to boost her morale, Percy and I invite her and her best
> friend, Bunky, out for dinner several times, but she always declines.
>
> September 2006: Toronto - first preview
>
> Once we're into technical rehearsals, Linda starts pulling herself
> together and her confidence balloons. Unfortunately, what tends to
> happen when an unseasoned actor feels comfortable on stage is that
> they get carried away and lose control.
>
> First preview. Linda's supposed to give me a gentle push, which
> appears to propel me off a coffee table and on to the floor.
>
> Unfortunately, her confidence has grown so much that she gives me an
> almighty shove that sends me flying on to my knees. The thud is so
> resounding that I hear the audience gasp in sympathy.
>
> (For the next six weeks, I need therapy on my left knee for the
> bursitis and pain caused by the impact of my whole weight falling on
> it.)
>
> I note that Linda hasn't even asked if I'm OK - it's as if nothing has
> happened.
>
> More complications: we have to restage the fight scene to cut down on
> all the running around in order not to aggravate my injury. Then, on
> the second night, Linda suddenly throws my wig at me with the accuracy
> of a sniper - I have to duck to prevent it from striking me in the
> face.
>
> A few days later, she actually steals a piece of comedy 'business'
> that I've developed.
>
> I've been peeling a banana and then taking a bite out of it while
> discussing husbands, which gets a big laugh. One night, Linda reaches
> over and bites the top off the banana herself - which loses me my
> laugh.
>
> Anyway, the director says it's equally funny, so why don't we just let
> her do it? And, figuring that a laugh's a laugh, I agree.
>
> I know all these 'accidents' are due to Linda's inexperience, but no
> one seems to be pointing out to her where she's going astray - so she
> naturally concludes that it's OK to do these things.
>
> I keep trying to think of new bits of funny "business" because I'm
> starting to realise this play is not nearly as good as I first
> thought. John Bowab, the director, isn't giving me any ideas or input
> - instead, he's putting all his energy into trying to help Linda.
>
> There are still some mind-numbingly awful lines. I'm obsessed with
> making the play better and funnier. The result is that I don't get
> much sleep, which is a pain in the ass and I'm sure makes me one as
> well!
>
> September 14
>
> Linda scrapes a spoon across my chin on stage while I'm speaking. This
> really p***es me off. You never invade another actor's space.
>
> Towards the end of the month, Linda and I have a couple of verbal
> battles because the fight scene isn't working. It's being held up
> because she tries to put her wig back on after I throw it at her.
>
> I keep saying this isn't funny (the audience certainly isn't laughing)
> and it's holding up the next bit of action - when we hit each other
> over the head with cushions, releasing feathers all over the stage
> (totally cribbed from Dynasty.)
>
> One night, I throw her wig off the balcony (which substitutes for a
> 14th-storey apartment) instead of to her, which gets an enormous laugh
> from ...
>
> read more »
Perfect, terrific...this is the kind of beautiful dish about old divas
that just defines what soaps used to be! Quoting the whole thing
once, just to ensure a permanent place in the usenet archive.
Anim8rFSK
"Grant Hurlock" <jhur...@pacbell.net> wrote:
1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
--
"No man ever notices a woman's shoes, unless they have boobs on them."
-- Mark Nobles
Buttercup
>
> 1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
>
<<<<<<<<<<
She is still much more beautiful than Evans.
I never saw the appeal of Linda. I thought
she looked like an ugly transvestite on Dynasty.
doomella
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It depends on whether you're angling for a tacky, camped-up poor man's Liz
Taylor or a (dish)-watered-down, vapidly ethereal poor man's Bo Derek.
Grant Hurlock
>
To me they seem different types & not all that comparable.
Also, Collins went into eclipse in the '60s, stooping to a lot of tv
work between her string of starring roles in the 1950s and her re-emergence
as big-screen cougar in the 1970s.
(A couple of movie roles that stand out as particularly hot memories for
me are her ingenue turn in Cosh Boy at about age 18 & then a couple of
decades later as milf in Revenge aka Inn of the Frightened People.)
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Collins is one of the principal reason (but not the only reason) why the
last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
forgiveness.
--
Frank in Seattle
____
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"Millennium hand and shrimp."
Anim8rFSK
Buttercup <Butterc...@aol.com> wrote:
She was surprisingly small and thin in person.
Grant Hurlock
> I never saw the appeal of Linda. I thought
> she looked like an ugly transvestite on Dynasty.
>
>
I found Linda Evans quite gorgeous in the 1960s & '70s with a couple of
different looks. During her long run on Big Valley she was a big-boned
blonde baby, meek-voiced & virginal. Then in the '70s Farrah era, Evans
showed up transformed for a string of tv-movies & series guest-shots with a
tawny beach body & blonde shag. Both looks proved very effective.
(I never watched Dynasty, & from your description it sounds like a good
miss.)
Grant Hurlock
> last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
> forgiveness.
>
And I don't think there was much forgiveness for Collins for about a
decade thereafter. It's to her credit though that she came back fighting in
the 1970s. Also, I think the Road Picture franchise, which was fun in the
'40s, was entirely effed out by the time they aimed it at Hong Kong. (Can't
think exactly what Collins was doing there, except that she was quite good
in Stopover Tokyo.)
Buttercup
> "Buttercup" <ButtercupDa...@aol.com> wrote in message
John Derek replaced LInda with Bo.
Richard Carnahan
THE ROAD TO HONG KONG only comes alive when Peter Sellers is onscreen.
Richard Schultz
: Collins is one of the principal reason (but not the only reason) why the
: last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
: forgiveness.
But you can always enclose her in a pyramid which you then fill with
grain. . .
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Frank R.A.J. Maloney <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
>
> : Collins is one of the principal reason (but not the only reason) why the
> : last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
> : forgiveness.
>
> But you can always enclose her in a pyramid which you then fill with
> grain. . .
I haven't seen _Land of the Pharoahs_ since 1955. I've always meant to
get a copy just to revist my youth lost in the darkness of the orchestra
seats of the Fox Theater, Spokane's fabulous Art Deco movie palace.
Gregory Morrow
Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote:
> Richard Schultz wrote:
> > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Frank R.A.J. Maloney <fr...@blarg.net>
wrote:
> >
> > : Collins is one of the principal reason (but not the only reason) why
the
> > : last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
> > : forgiveness.
> >
> > But you can always enclose her in a pyramid which you then fill with
> > grain. . .
>
> I haven't seen _Land of the Pharoahs_ since 1955. I've always meant to
> get a copy just to revist my youth lost in the darkness of the orchestra
> seats of the Fox Theater, Spokane's fabulous Art Deco movie palace.
>
It's just out in a sparkling new DVD, part of a Joan Collins set...the
special effects are pretty good. It's not just a camp item, it stands up
well on it's own...
Now if you want Joan and really dire special effects, you can always opt for
her 1978 _Empire of the Ants_, lol...
--
Best
Greg
"I am smarter than you think I am"
- Maryanne "Loafhead" Kehoe to me
in alt.gossip.celebrities
Audie Murphy's Ghost
<fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
> Collins is one of the principal reason (but not the only reason) why the
> last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
> forgiveness.
Blaming Collins for that disaster is like blaming the ship's cook for
the Titanic.
I blame Hope and Crosby. If there were ever two guys with enough power
to nip that disaster in the bud, it was they -- but they either thought
it was fine, or they just didn't care.
The humiliation of Dorothy Lamour was right in line with Hope and
Crosby's approach to this film.
Anim8rFSK
"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
> Richard Schultz wrote:
> > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Frank R.A.J. Maloney <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
> >
> > : Collins is one of the principal reason (but not the only reason) why the
> > : last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
> > : forgiveness.
> >
> > But you can always enclose her in a pyramid which you then fill with
> > grain. . .
>
> I haven't seen _Land of the Pharoahs_ since 1955. I've always meant to
> get a copy just to revist my youth lost in the darkness of the orchestra
> seats of the Fox Theater, Spokane's fabulous Art Deco movie palace.
It's great, and IIRC, they released a bunch of Joan Collins DVDs this
year, including that one, in proper aspect ratio.
Grant Hurlock
>
Linda with B.O.?
Anim8rFSK
"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
> Grant Hurlock wrote:
> >> 1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
> >>
> >
> > To me they seem different types & not all that comparable.
> > Also, Collins went into eclipse in the '60s, stooping to a lot of tv
> > work between her string of starring roles in the 1950s and her re-emergence
> > as big-screen cougar in the 1970s.
> > (A couple of movie roles that stand out as particularly hot memories
> > for
> > me are her ingenue turn in Cosh Boy at about age 18 & then a couple of
> > decades later as milf in Revenge aka Inn of the Frightened People.)
> >
> >
>
> Collins is one of the principal reason (but not the only reason) why the
> last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
> forgiveness.
Did they rush that out on a shoestring or something? There's got to be
some reason it's black and white . . .
Anim8rFSK
"Grant Hurlock" <jhur...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > 1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
> >
>
> To me they seem different types & not all that comparable.
> Also, Collins went into eclipse in the '60s, stooping to a lot of tv
Ooo - stooping? The City on the Edge of Forever ain't stooping!!
Neither is her love interest role in Mission: Impossible (the first time
a team member just out and out killed somebody).
If she stooped, it was in movies like the Stud and the Bitch.
> work between her string of starring roles in the 1950s and her re-emergence
> as big-screen cougar in the 1970s.
> (A couple of movie roles that stand out as particularly hot memories for
> me are her ingenue turn in Cosh Boy at about age 18 & then a couple of
> decades later as milf in Revenge aka Inn of the Frightened People.)
--
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
> Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote:
>
>> Richard Schultz wrote:
>>> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Frank R.A.J. Maloney <fr...@blarg.net>
> wrote:
>>> : Collins is one of the principal reason (but not the only reason) why
> the
>>> : last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
>>> : forgiveness.
>>>
>>> But you can always enclose her in a pyramid which you then fill with
>>> grain. . .
>> I haven't seen _Land of the Pharoahs_ since 1955. I've always meant to
>> get a copy just to revist my youth lost in the darkness of the orchestra
>> seats of the Fox Theater, Spokane's fabulous Art Deco movie palace.
>>
>
>
> It's just out in a sparkling new DVD, part of a Joan Collins set...the
> special effects are pretty good. It's not just a camp item, it stands up
> well on it's own...
>
> Now if you want Joan and really dire special effects, you can always opt for
> her 1978 _Empire of the Ants_, lol...
>
Here's an mystery. Amazon doesn't appear to know about a Joan Collins
set that includes _Land of the Pharaohs_. It does have a box with _Girl
in the Red Velvet Swing_, _Rally 'Round the Flag, Boys!_, _The Sea
Wife_, _Seven Thieves_, and _Stopover Tokyo_.
Additionally, Amazon has _Cult Camp Classics 4 - Historical Epics (The
Colossus of Rhodes / Land of the Pharaohs / The Prodigal)_.
I wonder what the deal is. Poor search engine, incompetent searcher, or
something else?
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
You're quite right to blame Hope an Crosby, who clearly no longer gave a
damn. I'm just saying that Collins was another reason to hate the film
and to regret it was ever made.
But, as for Lamour, you ought to know that it was she who refused to
have a major role in the _Road to Hong Kong_; Collins was brought in as
a non-singing Lamour-lite. Dotty was persuaded to do a cameo as a favor
to the "boys" and the tradition, but it was in no way a humiliation for
her. She was just showing her usual good taste and judgment.
Audie Murphy's Ghost
<fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
> Audie Murphy's Ghost wrote:
> > In article <13apfe2...@corp.supernews.com>, Frank R.A.J. Maloney
> > <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Collins is one of the principal reason (but not the only reason) why the
> >> last Hope-Crosby Road picture was such dreck. For that there can be no
> >> forgiveness.
> >
> >
> > Blaming Collins for that disaster is like blaming the ship's cook for
> > the Titanic.
> >
> > I blame Hope and Crosby. If there were ever two guys with enough power
> > to nip that disaster in the bud, it was they -- but they either thought
> > it was fine, or they just didn't care.
> >
> > The humiliation of Dorothy Lamour was right in line with Hope and
> > Crosby's approach to this film.
>
> You're quite right to blame Hope an Crosby, who clearly no longer gave a
> damn. I'm just saying that Collins was another reason to hate the film
> and to regret it was ever made.
>
> But, as for Lamour, you ought to know that it was she who refused to
> have a major role in the _Road to Hong Kong_; Collins was brought in as
> a non-singing Lamour-lite. Dotty was persuaded to do a cameo as a favor
> to the "boys" and the tradition, but it was in no way a humiliation for
> her. She was just showing her usual good taste and judgment.
That's not the way I've always heard the story -- not that I'm doubting
you, Frank, because I want you to be right. Thank you for the
information.
Audie Murphy's Ghost
<ANIM8Rfsk-98346...@news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <L_2ri.53621$5j1....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
> "Grant Hurlock" <jhur...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > 1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
> > >
> >
> > To me they seem different types & not all that comparable.
> > Also, Collins went into eclipse in the '60s, stooping to a lot of tv
>
> Ooo - stooping? The City on the Edge of Forever ain't stooping!!
> Neither is her love interest role in Mission: Impossible (the first time
> a team member just out and out killed somebody).
>
> If she stooped, it was in movies like the Stud and the Bitch.
Unfortunately, the people making "The Stud" and "The Bitch" were the
only ones knocking at her door at that time. It's no disgrace to want
to eat. Anyway, I'm glad she recovered. She's a tough one.
Gregory Morrow
Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote:
The deal is an incompetent poster aka *myself*... :-)
_Land of the Pharoahs_ is of course in the "Cult Camp Classics" box, not the
Joan Collins box...
I wish they'd release her 1956 film _The Wayward Bus_, it also stars Jayne
Mansfield. This was originally to be included in the Jayne box set that was
released last year, but was at the last minute unaccountably replaced with
the risibly bad 1959 Jayne English western - shot - in - Spain _The Sheriff
of Fractured Jaw_...
Oh, one of the other releases in that "Cult Camp" series (in another box) is
the 1969 Lana Turner exploitation flick _The Big Cube_. Wealthy Lana's
wayward daughter gets mixed up with a hippie boyfriend and they decide to
drive her insane with LSD so as to put her in the nuthaus and take over her
fortune...poor Lana!
Gregory Morrow
Anim8rFSK wrote:
That _Road_ franchise was long past the end of it's rope by the time Collins
came along, would have been a crummy movie whatever...
Gregory Morrow
Anim8rFSK wrote:
> In article <L_2ri.53621$5j1....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
> "Grant Hurlock" <jhur...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > 1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
> > >
> >
> > To me they seem different types & not all that comparable.
> > Also, Collins went into eclipse in the '60s, stooping to a lot of tv
>
> Ooo - stooping? The City on the Edge of Forever ain't stooping!!
> Neither is her love interest role in Mission: Impossible (the first time
> a team member just out and out killed somebody).
And don't forget her as that "siren" character on _Batman_...pretty funny!
> If she stooped, it was in movies like the Stud and the Bitch.
>
By that time she was haunting the unemployment lines, one takes what one can
get in order to eat...
Dave in Toronto
The biggest mistake was in making "Hong Kong" in England. The whole
production had a cheap tired look and lacked the much needed Hollywood
gloss. Sellers was good though.
Agreed about Collins in "Stopover Tokyo". I seem to recall she was OK
in the Western she made with Gregory Peck "The Bravadoes" also. She
looked good in jeans anyway.
Dave in Toronto
doomella
Yup - hence the easy analogy!
Hilton, Warner, Burton, Fisher, Todd, Wilding, and hell--even Larry
Fortensky--somehow weren't tempted to make the switcheroo. Thought
Fortensky and Collins somehow seem like a decent match.
doomella
"Grant Hurlock" <jhur...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:Vg3ri.53625$5j1....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
The immaculate, often winged platinum modified stewardess pageboy got a
little old after a while (but inspired so many drag queens that it's been
pardoned). She's still sportin' it:
http://www.readexpress.com/read_freeride/photos/2006-11-17-Linda_Evans.jpg
Is it just me or has she morphed into quite a medley of familiar faces? It
looks like someone threw her into a high-speed centrifuge with Suzanne
Somers, Daryl Hannah, Candy Spelling, Karen Black and Amanda Lepore, then
reconstituted her face with a sprinkle of Glenn Close -- before surgically
grafting on Julia Roberts' lips.
Or maybe she just sat through so many symphonic Yanni extravaganzas with
that devoted gaze of adoration and mild shame, and her face just froze that
way?
doomella
> "Grant Hurlock" <jhurl...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Vg3ri.53625$5j1....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >> She is still much more beautiful than Evans.
> >> I never saw the appeal of Linda. I thought
> >> she looked like an ugly transvestite on Dynasty.
>
> > I found Linda Evans quite gorgeous in the 1960s & '70s with a couple of
> > different looks. During her long run on Big Valley she was a big-boned
> > blonde baby, meek-voiced & virginal. Then in the '70s Farrah era, Evans
> > showed up transformed for a string of tv-movies & series guest-shots with
> > a tawny beach body & blonde shag. Both looks proved very effective.
> > (I never watched Dynasty, & from your description it sounds like a good
> > miss.)
>
> The immaculate, often winged platinum modified stewardess pageboy got a
> little old after a while (but inspired so many drag queens that it's been
>
> Is it just me or has she morphed into quite a medley of familiar faces? It
> looks like someone threw her into a high-speed centrifuge with Suzanne
> Somers, Daryl Hannah, Candy Spelling, Karen Black and Amanda Lepore, then
> reconstituted her face with a sprinkle of Glenn Close -- before surgically
> grafting on Julia Roberts' lips.
> Or maybe she just sat through so many symphonic Yanni extravaganzas with
> that devoted gaze of adoration and mild shame, and her face just froze that
> way?
> "Grant Hurlock" <jhurl...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Vg3ri.53625$5j1....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >> She is still much more beautiful than Evans.
> >> I never saw the appeal of Linda. I thought
> >> she looked like an ugly transvestite on Dynasty.
>
> > I found Linda Evans quite gorgeous in the 1960s & '70s with a couple of
> > different looks. During her long run on Big Valley she was a big-boned
> > blonde baby, meek-voiced & virginal. Then in the '70s Farrah era, Evans
> > showed up transformed for a string of tv-movies & series guest-shots with
> > a tawny beach body & blonde shag. Both looks proved very effective.
> > (I never watched Dynasty, & from your description it sounds like a good
> > miss.)
>
> The immaculate, often winged platinum modified stewardess pageboy got a
> little old after a while (but inspired so many drag queens that it's been
>
> Is it just me or has she morphed into quite a medley of familiar faces? It
> looks like someone threw her into a high-speed centrifuge with Suzanne
> Somers, Daryl Hannah, Candy Spelling, Karen Black and Amanda Lepore, then
> reconstituted her face with a sprinkle of Glenn Close -- before surgically
> grafting on Julia Roberts' lips.
> Or maybe she just sat through so many symphonic Yanni extravaganzas with
> that devoted gaze of adoration and mild shame, and her face just froze that
> way?
Woops -- that opus certainly deserved a link.
or:
Turk
>
> - Show quoted text -
Both box sets were released at about the same time, so this is where
confusion may lie. Also, you can rent DVDs individually.
Both these women are Hollywood survivors. For any woman to be 50ish
(Collins) or 40ish (Evans) and make it big, as they did in Dynastry,
is almost unheard-of at that time. Especially given they were looked
upon as sex objects rather than grandmas, this was a switch in youth-
obsessed culture. They were both passed their individual beauty
peaks, but devised looks that worked for them at the time, trashiness
notwithstanding.
Turk
Grant Hurlock
>> Also, Collins went into eclipse in the '60s, stooping to a lot of tv
>
> Ooo - stooping? The City on the Edge of Forever ain't stooping!!
> Neither is her love interest role in Mission: Impossible (the first time
> a team member just out and out killed somebody).
>
I just mean Collins made around 25 movies in the '50s & no tv, whereas
in the '60s she was in only a handful of movies & lots of tv. Then in the
'70s it was another 25 or so movies & a handful of tv.
I think in the '60s she was seen as a '50s star, yesterday's girl, so
folks casting movies would opt for an up-&-coming '60s star instead. (Note
that that '60s Star Trek episode, set in the 1930s, played upon her appeal
as someone from the past.)
Then in the '70s she'd aged enough to be just right to play sexy wives &
mothers (e.g., Revenge) or mothers-to-be (The Devil Within Her) before
crowning as a literal MILF in 1982's Homework.
Copasetic
doomella wrote:
> "Grant Hurlock" <jhur...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:Vg3ri.53625$5j1....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
> >> She is still much more beautiful than Evans.
> >> I never saw the appeal of Linda. I thought
> >> she looked like an ugly transvestite on Dynasty.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I found Linda Evans quite gorgeous in the 1960s & '70s with a couple of
> > different looks. During her long run on Big Valley she was a big-boned
> > blonde baby, meek-voiced & virginal. Then in the '70s Farrah era, Evans
> > showed up transformed for a string of tv-movies & series guest-shots with
> > a tawny beach body & blonde shag. Both looks proved very effective.
> > (I never watched Dynasty, & from your description it sounds like a good
> > miss.)
>
> The immaculate, often winged platinum modified stewardess pageboy got a
> little old after a while (but inspired so many drag queens that it's been
> pardoned). She's still sportin' it:
> http://www.readexpress.com/read_freeride/photos/2006-11-17-Linda_Evans.jpg
>
It was a horrible plastic look, the style, the color. Looking at
these pictures
from the Big Valley, she at least looked better without the bangs.
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1294/1867_0016.jpg
http://www.public.asu.edu/~kheenan/west/images/filmandtv/audra.jpg
http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/comedy/richardlong/richardlong6.jpg
She doesn't even look like Linda Evans here.
http://upload.moldova.org/movie/actors/l/linda_evanstad/thumbnails/tn2_linda_evans_3.jpg
Don't know when this one was taken, but she looks young.
http://www.operagloves.com/Modern/70s80sCelebrities/lindaevans_k7903.jpg
Copasetic
> > On Jul 29, 8:58?am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> 1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
> >>
> > <<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > I never saw the appeal of Linda. I thought
> > she looked like an ugly transvestite on Dynasty.
>
>
> Taylor or a (dish)-watered-down, vapidly ethereal poor man's Bo Derek.
Check out these pictures from Linda's Playboy pictorial. Bo and she
had a similar look.
http://members.pinkflora.com/spleet/hot-linda-evans-naked-pics1.htm
http://www.allpics.org/pictures/linda-evans/linda-evans-009-pics.jpg
http://www.allpics.org/pictures/linda-evans/linda-evans-012-pics.jpg
http://www.allpics.org/pictures/linda-evans/linda-evans-006-pics.jpg
Anim8rFSK
Copasetic <deepsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Don't forget Ursula. Frankly I think he traded down each time.
George Peatty
wrote:
> (A couple of movie roles that stand out as particularly hot memories for
>me are her ingenue turn in Cosh Boy at about age 18 & then a couple of
>decades later as milf in Revenge aka Inn of the Frightened People.)
She rang my chimes .. to the extent a ten-year-old can have his chimes rung
.. in Rally Round the Flag, Boys.
Dave in Toronto
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:11:23 GMT, "Grant Hurlock" <jhurl...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> > (A couple of movie roles that stand out as particularly hot memories for
> >me are her ingenue turn in Cosh Boy at about age 18 & then a couple of
> >decades later as milf in Revenge aka Inn of the Frightened People.)
>
> She rang my chimes .. to the extent a ten-year-old can have his chimes rung
> .. in Rally Round the Flag, Boys.
She certainly rang my 20-year-old bell in those early British movies.
Why did ever marry that twit Anthony Newley? - May have been a
backlash after her first husband Maxwell Reed tried to sell her to an
Arab Sheik for 10,00 pounds seven months after the wedding.
Dave in Toronto
Patricia Wadley
> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Jim Beaver <jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote:
>
> :> Joan Collins: Why I'll never work with Linda Evans again!
>
> : Why I'd never work with either of them.
>
> Not because if Captain Kirk hadn't intervened, Joan Collins would have
> enabled the Nazis to win World War 2?
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
All by her lonesome, she won WWII.
So THERE Linda Evans.
blssst
my2cents
p
Hal Erickson
Just because audiences have lined up to see a senile Groucho Marx read his
ad-libs from index cards at Carnegie Hall, or an at-death's-door Yul Brynner
avoiding all physical action in those pathetic KING AND I revivals, or two
senior-citizen damsels who are certainly old enough to know better playing
characters at least twenty years younger than themselves, doesn't mean these
sort of things should be inflicted on the public. (Speaking of KING AND I,
audiences in Milwaukee DIDN'T line up to see 60-something Stefanie Powers
when she brought that show to town. The local newspaper reviewer
diplomatically suggested that perhaps the PLAY is a bit too old to be
performed!)
Maybe I'm being too hard on these actors, most of whom, after all, have very
fragile egos and like to think of themselves
as they were instead of as they are. But then I remember the ones who have
had the sense to act their ages in their choice of characters...Paul Newman,
Melvyn Douglas, Shirley MacLaine...
The touring show I'm waiting to see in, oh, the year 2017, is the one
starring Meg and Jennifer Tilly as the Brewster sisters in ARSENIC AND OLD
LACE.
--Hal E
(who will never see 50 again)
Dave in Toronto
> Maybe I'm being too hard on these actors, most of whom, after all, have very
> fragile egos and like to think of themselves
> as they were instead of as they are. But then I remember the ones who have
> had the sense to act their ages in their choice of characters...Paul Newman,
> Melvyn Douglas, Shirley MacLaine...
> --Hal E
> (who will never see 50 again)
Add Cary Grant to that list. He wisely quit while he was ahead
although he knew that he could have got away with playing romantic
leads for a few more years. In his last role in "Walk Don't Run" he
played a secondary character role who wasn't in the running for the
attentions of Samantha Eggar. Women in the audience couldn't
understand any woman going for Jim Hutton when Grant was on the scene.
Dave in Toronto
gerry
Say what you will about Joan Collins, she usually tells the truth. I
remember her comments when Clive James interviewed her on his BBC
show. She said the guy next to her was also getting make up put on.
He was a bald headed guy with a pasty and pudgy face, whom she
couldn't at first recognize. After the make up and hairpiece were on,
why it was William Shatner.
As an young actress in 1950s Hollywood, Collins had her work cut out
to have a career when actressses were disposable assets as the big
movie companies cratered. Collins ended up going back to England to
perform in movies, just like another young British actor, Roger Moore,
who went to the ITV series The Saint when the jobs grew scarce in
Hollywood.
On the other hand, Linda Evans was a TV actress who appeared in two
series, Big Valley, where she looked great, and Dynasty, where she
looked embalmed. Evans apparently did not learn much from her
boyfriend, John Derek, who had contempt for the Hollywood star system.
Copasetic
Was Linda Evans picked for the role on Dynasty because she was Derek's
former wife and Bo Derek had just made her debut in 10? There must
have been plenty other 40-something actresses at the time that were
more interesting.
Anim8rFSK
gerry <2ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
Too bad that description doesn't fit Shatner as of THE CITY ON THE EDGE
OF FOREVER at all.
>
> As an young actress in 1950s Hollywood, Collins had her work cut out
> to have a career when actressses were disposable assets as the big
> movie companies cratered. Collins ended up going back to England to
> perform in movies, just like another young British actor, Roger Moore,
> who went to the ITV series The Saint when the jobs grew scarce in
> Hollywood.
>
> On the other hand, Linda Evans was a TV actress who appeared in two
> series, Big Valley, where she looked great, and Dynasty, where she
> looked embalmed. Evans apparently did not learn much from her
> boyfriend, John Derek, who had contempt for the Hollywood star system.
--
Richard Schultz
: Why did ever marry that twit Anthony Newley?
You mean, what kind of fool was she?
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Gregory Morrow
Hal Erickson wrote:
> There has to be a statue of limitations for "star vehicles."
>
> Just because audiences have lined up to see a senile Groucho Marx read his
> ad-libs from index cards at Carnegie Hall, or an at-death's-door Yul
Brynner
> avoiding all physical action in those pathetic KING AND I revivals, or two
> senior-citizen damsels who are certainly old enough to know better playing
> characters at least twenty years younger than themselves, doesn't mean
these
> sort of things should be inflicted on the public. (Speaking of KING AND I,
> audiences in Milwaukee DIDN'T line up to see 60-something Stefanie Powers
> when she brought that show to town. The local newspaper reviewer
> diplomatically suggested that perhaps the PLAY is a bit too old to be
> performed!)
About 15 years ago Ms. Powers did an interview for WGN radio here in
Chicago, it was done at the Tribune Tower on N. Michigan Avenue. Even then
she was a somewhat forgotten comodity, but that did not prevent her from
having several security guards around to escort her, in case, in her words
(as a gossip columnist reported), she "got mobbed by gawkers". She was
staying at a hotel a whole *two* blocks away...
[_Die Die, My Darling!_ ]
> Maybe I'm being too hard on these actors, most of whom, after all, have
very
> fragile egos and like to think of themselves
> as they were instead of as they are. But then I remember the ones who have
> had the sense to act their ages in their choice of characters...Paul
Newman,
> Melvyn Douglas, Shirley MacLaine...
Speaking of Melvyn Douglas, this past weekend I watched the Bobby Darin
biopic _Beyond the Sea_, the best part of this rather insipid flick was when
when Bobby came came home in a rage after Douglas had won the Oscar for
_Hud_, he was wondering why Douglas had won it...
Lol...
OT, but also, Hal, last night TCM showed the abysmal 1957 Jane Russell
vehicle _The Fuzzy Pink Nightgown_. I was somewhat aware of it's stinky
notoriety, but *man*...and I simply ADORE Jane Russell. How on earth could
she consider it her *best* film...!!!??? At least I think her "best" bad
film is _The Revolt Of Mamie Stover_...
[Interestingly, I think Jayne Mansfield would have been great in _The Fuzzy
Pink Nightgown_...]
In any case, Miss Russell is 86 and she still looks glam on that red carpet
at the Oscars...I should not carp.
--
Best
Greg
Turk
I think the stage can be more forgiving for a good actor. There are
many stories of actors being technically too old for stage parts yet
excelling anyway. The Collins and Evans of the world are not about
acting but being seen. Collins is not a great actress nor did she
ever care to be but she managed to jolt Dynasty to life back in the
day. She has been playing the Joan Collins character now for a very
long time. She can be funny though - I remember an interview where
she imitated the Vivien Leigh diction she had been taught in acting
school and she was dead on. Evans is far worse for the wear - she's a
far more limited actress and has aged poorly with grotesque surgery.
Turk
KC
I could understand it, though. I adore Cary Grant, but I've always
found Jim Hutton very appealing and back in the day of that movie, he
was very cute in that quirky way. I always seem to be drawn to
offbeat or non-traditional looks, even when I admire the classically
beautiful.
KC
FragileWarrior
@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> Say what you will about Joan Collins, she usually tells the truth. I
> remember her comments when Clive James interviewed her on his BBC
> show. She said the guy next to her was also getting make up put on.
> He was a bald headed guy with a pasty and pudgy face, whom she
> couldn't at first recognize. After the make up and hairpiece were on,
> why it was William Shatner.
Oh, now THAT'S good dish.
I always respected Joan Collins for appearing in a photo, without make-up,
years and years ago. She was almost unrecognizable, too. In my opinion, it
takes a lot of guts to do that in Hollywood.
Richard Schultz
: I always respected Joan Collins for appearing in a photo, without make-up,
: years and years ago. She was almost unrecognizable, too. In my opinion, it
: takes a lot of guts to do that in Hollywood.
That's why movie star mug shots tend to be so embarrassing. Not the arrest
(there's no such thing as bad publicity), but it's the public's chance to
see what the movie star looks like without any makeup.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"French bread makes very good skis"
FragileWarrior
news:f8nfnq$gmp$2...@news.iucc.ac.il:
> In rec.arts.movies.past-films FragileWarrior
> <FragileWarrior@f'loonsmustdie.com> wrote:
>
>: I always respected Joan Collins for appearing in a photo, without
>: make-up, years and years ago. She was almost unrecognizable, too. In
>: my opinion, it takes a lot of guts to do that in Hollywood.
>
> That's why movie star mug shots tend to be so embarrassing. Not the
> arrest (there's no such thing as bad publicity), but it's the public's
> chance to see what the movie star looks like without any makeup.
>
I don't think it was quite THAT raw, though. I think it might have been
for Annie Liebovitz.
mc
> On Jul 29, 8:58?am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > 1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
>
> <<<<<<<<<<
>
> She is still much more beautiful than Evans.
> I never saw the appeal of Linda. I thought
> she looked like an ugly transvestite on Dynasty.
Funny, I thought the exact opposite!
And wtf are these two old bats doing fight scenes?
mc
mc
> On Jul 29, 11:11?am, "doomella" <doome...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Buttercup" <ButtercupDa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1185722817.5...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Jul 29, 8:58?am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > >> 1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
>
> > > <<<<<<<<<<
>
> > > She is still much more beautiful than Evans.
> > > I never saw the appeal of Linda. I thought
> > > she looked like an ugly transvestite on Dynasty.
>
> > Taylor or a (dish)-watered-down, vapidly ethereal poor man's Bo Derek.
>
> <<<
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I remember how strikingly obvious a trade-in for a new model that was.
mc
George Peatty
Schultz) wrote:
>That's why movie star mug shots tend to be so embarrassing. Not the arrest
>(there's no such thing as bad publicity), but it's the public's chance to
>see what the movie star looks like without any makeup.
And, the sometimes hard to accept realization that what is beautiful about
them is all a .. mirage. Smoke and mirrors. It doesn't exist in any real
sense.
George Peatty
Schultz) wrote:
>: Why did ever marry that twit Anthony Newley?
>
>You mean, what kind of fool was she?
Ooh, ooh! I get this one! :)
Richard Schultz
: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:27:43 +0000 (UTC), sch...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard
: Schultz) wrote:
Well, now I know who I can turn to when nobody needs me.
Copasetic
>> 1960s Joan Collins still beats 1960s Linda Evans.
>>
>
> Also, Collins went into eclipse in the '60s, stooping to a lot of tv
> re-emergence as big-screen cougar in the 1970s.
> (A couple of movie roles that stand out as particularly hot memories
> for me are her ingenue turn in Cosh Boy at about age 18 & then a couple of
> decades later as milf in Revenge aka Inn of the Frightened People.)
>
Wasn't Collins engaged to Warren Beatty in the early 1960s?
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