ATWT ending, no real spoilers
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so okay everyone happy but the gays, got it show. thanks for the big fuck
you to Luke fans.
Alia
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> so okay everyone happy but the gays, got it show. thanks for the big fuck
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> Alia
Although I will say this much: Luke had the one genuinely touching/
affecting/emotional moment in the entire show, when he listened to
Reid's heart through the stethoscope. Cliched as that whole idea is,
the way Van played it made it work (with some help from Daniel
Cosgrove), and I felt something. (And this is from someone who barely
saw any of the Reid-Luke stuff, so my reaction can't be chalked up to
sentimentality or anything on that order.) And it was just about the
only time during the episode that I did feel something.
Other than that, I found the episode underwhelming, just as I did the
tribute to Nancy. There were a few amusing or cute moments, but Van/
Luke got the only really emotionally satisfying one. I guess that's
something.
(And now that it's over, I'm left wondering why Reid was killed. I had
assumed they were planning to reunite Luke and Noah, and killing Reid
was the only way to accomplish that in the time remaining--truncate
the Reid-Luke story and go back to Luke and Noah. Since that obviously
wasn't it, I've come around to agreeing with you and RH--just a big
"screw you" to the gay viewers. It would be different if anybody else
was left in a similarly sad state, but when everybody else gets a
happy ending, and the gay couple is the only one that ends up unhappy/
dead, sorry, that's a "message," no matter how else you try to spin
it. Just despicable.)
Small items worthy of comment: Barbara's peacock blue jacket was
gorgeous. Henry and Barbara's dance sequence was cute (as silly as it
was), and it was good that they gave a nod to Colleen Zenk's past as a
dancer. Zenk is nearly 60? How is that possible? She's still
breathtaking. Ditto for Hubbard and Bryggman--can they really be in
their 70s and look that good?
So many people we coulda-woulda-shoulda seen but didn't. Emma Snyder
tops the list.
That's all. For a series-ending episode, surprisingly little worth
remarking on, really, I thought.
Michael
Seth J. Bookey
>Michael
You know, as finales go, I liked it. They pretty much cleared the decks of all the new young characters we don't
care about yesterday. I liked that they focused on Bob, Kim, Margo, Tom, Katie, Chris, Lily, Holden, Luke, Lisa,
etc. Very glad that Lisa was at least shown. THey actually had two triangle nods there--Lisa-John-Lucinda and
Kim-Bob-Susan.
But a very big fuck-you to the crew. Other shows have sometimes shown the behind the scenes people in finales. But
not ATWT. In fact, they had a promo for Y&R during the closing credits. Couldn't they for once have normal
old-style closing credits and give credit to everyone who worked behind the scenes all year on this show?
My other quibble: I have been watching this show for only 9 years, but you would think that they would have found
a way to have more flashbacks during the past two weeks. Honestly, I didn't give a damn about Liberty or Faith or
Gabriel at this point? And they couldn't bring in the kid who played J.J. for ONE EPISODE when Carly and Jack got
married?
The outdoor wedding was certainly better than most of the outdoor scenes on GL, but it was clear to me that if
they were going to have a wedding, they were not going to spend money on a church set. They could have at least
had them marry in their house. The outdoor stuff just reeked of obvious cost-cutting concerns.
I am glad they pushed this episode up a month from the previous episode (sort of how GL went a year ahead in their
finale) and that they wrapped some things up. Would have been nice if maybe they had once mentioned Nancy (did
they? I am going to re-watch it). Also not happy that they couldn't have found a way to work in Emma. I mean, no
last glimpse of Emma's kitchen? And a scene of Emma comforting Luke really would have been nice. I mean, what says
"soap" more than a grandmother helping her grandson deal with a horrible loss?
--Seth
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ejfan1973
showed up to see Emily (her one remaining connection).
Seth J. Bookey
>It really would have been something if Patricia Bruder (Ellen Stewart)
>showed up to see Emily (her one remaining connection).
When was she last seen on the show?
ka...@notme.com
I thought is was ok. Made me cry. I'm going to miss these friends. I
haven't kept up, and now they're gone forever.
Watched the dance several times.
Grateful for youtube.
Good night, indeed - oh, this hurts.
Kate
Rthrquiet
> In <7d2915a8-3982-4652-bb68-0c25f2f4e...@t11g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> ejfan1973 <ejfan1...@aol.com> writes:
>
> >It really would have been something if Patricia Bruder (Ellen Stewart)
> >showed up to see Emily (her one remaining connection).
>
> When was she last seen on the show?
>
I've been trying to remember, ever since I saw ejfan's post. I think
it was 1997 for Nancy's birthday party on the Valletta (the one that
Penny also attended, uttering the infamous line "Who ARE all these
people?").
Michael
santarosie
I read that P&G is going to pull all the AW, GL and ATWT videos from
youtube in October. Watch the old clips while you can!
Rthrquiet
> I read that P&G is going to pull all the AW, GL and ATWT videos from
> youtube in October. Watch the old clips while you can!
If they're planning to do it, I'm surprised they haven't already. They
certainly have legal grounds (the shows are, I'm sure, copyright-
protected), and YouTube will aid and abet them (as they have regarding
music videos).
Oh, this is worse news than the cancellations! I've become quite
addicted to watching Curlee-era Guiding Light and Marland-era ATWT on
You Tube! It's a real treat to go back and watch Beverlee McKinsey or
the vastly underrated Maureen Garrett, for example, at the top of
their game. I've probably watched Beverlee's Alexandra decimate
Michael Zaslow's Roger at the country club a dozen times or more in
the last six months to a year, and I always see something I didn't
notice before--and Beverlee is, of course, endlessly fascinating to
watch.
I've also caught scenes I never saw, such as the ATWT scene when Iva
Snyder confronted her sister, Ellie, over the fact that Ellie had
begun a relationship with Kirk when Iva wasn't over him. Hadn't seen
it the first time, for some reason. Good stuff. I also had missed
Maureen's death on GL entirely, and I'm extremely glad I got to see
that. I can't watch that over and over because it's just too painful--
Ellen Parker was phenomenal; she really made me feel Maureen's rage
and pain--but I'm so thankful I did finally get to see it.
Oh, this really does suck, if it's true. (And I guess it means the
clips from Search for Tomorrow, Edge of Night, and any other P&G soap
along the way are being pulled as well.)
Michael
record hunter
> On Sep 18, 5:21 am, santarosie <santaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I read that P&G is going to pull all the AW, GL and ATWT videos from
> > youtube in October. Watch the old clips while you can!
>
> If they're planning to do it, I'm surprised they haven't already. They
> certainly have legal grounds (the shows are, I'm sure, copyright-
> protected), and YouTube will aid and abet them (as they have regarding
> music videos).
>
> Oh, this is worse news than the cancellations! I've become quite
> addicted to watching Curlee-era Guiding Light and Marland-era ATWT on
> You Tube! It's a real treat to go back and watch Beverlee McKinsey or
> the vastly underrated Maureen Garrett, for example, at the top of
> their game. I've probably watched Beverlee's Alexandra decimate
> Michael Zaslow's Roger at the country club a dozen times or more in
> the last six months to a year, and I always see something I didn't
> notice before--and Beverlee is, of course, endlessly fascinating to
> watch.
>
What is the point in removing old scenes from youtube? It's kind of
late to act on the embarrassment they feel for writing and producing
an all-but-unwatchable show for 15 years +/-. What does P&G and/or CBS
hope to gain besides even more bad will? They're creating some
seriously pissed-off viewers. I can see not watching anything on CBS
for a good long time.
santarosie
Maybe because Soapnet is going to be running shows from the last few
years of GL and ATWT...they don't want youtube competition?
Mr. Hole the Magnificent
> In <e9781905-92e5-439c-bba1-a9f9a00c5...@g18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> Rthrquiet <rthrqu...@aol.com> writes:
> I am glad they pushed this episode up a month from the previous episode (sort of how GL went a year ahead in their
> finale) and that they wrapped some things up. Would have been nice if maybe they had once mentioned Nancy (did
> they? I am going to re-watch it).
Bob has a big photo of Nancy facing the camera on his desk at the
start of the episode when he enters his office.
Rthrquiet
> Maybe because Soapnet is going to be running shows from the last few
> years of GL and ATWT...they don't want youtube competition?
Really? Is that confirmed?
If it's true, I'm very surprised, for several reasons. First of all,
SoapNet gravitated away from carrying soap content, other than re-
broadcasts of the ABC soaps, a few years ago, in favor of original
programming that's, I guess, vaguely soapy but not really soap
content, in the way I would think of it, anyway. If they now go back
and start carrying things like ATWT and GL, that would be another
shift in direction back to something closer to their old programming
strategy. That would be quite a surprise to me.
Secondly, SoapNet felt Another World wasn't getting very good ratings
when they dropped it a few years ago. I would be stunned if they felt
that reruns of the last few years of Guiding Light and As the World
Turns, which had very low ratings during their original broadcast,
would do better than Another World did.
If I were going to repurpose GL and ATWT, it wouldn't be anything from
the last few years, it would be Marland-era ATWT (1985-1993) and
Curlee-era GL (1991-1994). But that's just me, of course. (I'd
actually pay cash money to see either one of those.)
An interesting development.
Michael
JC
Yes, but at least he could have packed that last. Picked it up &
looked at as he was standing in the office by himself. Put it in his
briefcase & then leave the room. The show is over now, so I'm trying
to let it go (ha ha).
JC
For the type of ending it was, I thought it was decent. The Bob
narration was nice. The normal day in Oakdale made me feel a little
warm inside. But this past week, few weeks, month, few months,
whatever has just not been what I wanted. I don't understand the
obsession with following through with all the current stories. Ratings
don't matter any more, attracting a new audience doesn't matter any
more, how about just giving something to the fans who have been
watching for decades (sorry, newer fans, not so concerned with you).
I wanted to see old characters -- did we get any? Will & Gwen -- is
that supposed to count? Frannie, I guess, for 7 minutes simply because
of Julianne Moore. And John Dixon -- that was the bright spot of the
past couple of weeks. Heaven forbid Andy or any of the other Snyder
children return for a day or two. I won't bore you, but of course
there are dozens of folks who could have come back.
And WTH? Emma "left" months ago never to be seen again? Emma Snyder,
who has been on the show since the mid-80s, can't get an appearance in
the final weeks? Even Susan, I beleive I saw her twice in the final
months of the show. And Lisa gets three lines in the final ep?
Damn ...
The final week of the show, Faith Synder had more screentime & lines
than Lisa. I don't care that Lisa already had a tribute episode. I
could do a better tribute to Lisa with some paper cutouts, my old
boombox & my two pit bulls as performers than the show did. And that
tribute to Lisa (supposedly a grand party at Metro) was attended by
approximately 3.5 people. I could get a bigger crowd too.
I am going to try to lay off the Nancy episode because it was actually
better than I was expecting. Was it good? Not really. But better than
I thought it would be, so I'll shut up.
We could have been getting old clips weaved in the the past solid
month. Screw the fact that some of the actors have changed -- no one
would give a crap, but even just focusing on flashbacks for those
actors who remain the same -- Bob, Kim, Lisa, Susan, Tom & Margo,
Holden, Lucinda, Emma, Barbara, James, any clips with children (when
Chris was on his deathbed they could have shown great flashbacks of
Kim and child Chris).
Oh man, I just thought of the Bob & Kim wedding anniversary thing too.
That was soooooo bad I cannot tell you. Painful. All of a sudden Kim
is so furious at Bob for what -- I honestly don't even remember --
that she might not want to remarry him. Because of course they haven't
been married this whole time. It was not valid. Holy freakin' sugar.
I could go on & on.
But having said all of that, I am so sad. I've watched this show
virtually every day for 30 years & it feels so weird and empty to know
I won't be watching it any more.
Phyllis Stone
>I am saving the last three shows to watch at a future time when I won't
>care that much. One of the things that in my opinion should have been done
>was having Martha Byrne (sp?) come back and be Lily. That was kind of a
>final insult to all the fans of ATWT.
MG
That's rather naive: there are tons of website where you can see past
episodes and even download them. YouTube is the worst of them because
the episodes are cut in 4, 5 or even 6 pieces. There are sites where
whole episodes can be watched and/or downloaded.
MG
Jay
> There are tons of website where you can see past
> episodes and even download them. YouTube is the worst of them because
> the episodes are cut in 4, 5 or even 6 pieces. There are sites where
> whole episodes can be watched and/or downloaded.
Care to share where?
MG
http://s4.zetaboards.com/Soapaliens_TV_Forum/index/
You've got to be a member, I'm not sure SoapAlien still accepts new
members but you can try...
Jay
Thanks.
KC
Soapcentral lists Bruder's last appearance as November 30, 1998.
Sounds like a Thanksgiving appearance.
They list Rosemary Prinz's last appearance as December 26, 2000.
They list August 17 and 18, 1998, respectively, as the second to last
appearances. August 1998 was when Nancy's 80th birthday was celebrated
aboard the Valletta. So, you are correct in tying them to the Valletta
story, you were just off a year.
KC
KC
<rthr...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Sep 18, 5:21 am, santarosie <santaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I read that P&G is going to pull all the AW, GL and ATWT videos from
>> youtube in October. Watch the old clips while you can!
>
>If they're planning to do it, I'm surprised they haven't already. They
>certainly have legal grounds (the shows are, I'm sure, copyright-
>protected), and YouTube will aid and abet them (as they have regarding
>music videos).
>
>Oh, this is worse news than the cancellations! I've become quite
>addicted to watching Curlee-era Guiding Light and Marland-era ATWT on
>You Tube! It's a real treat to go back and watch Beverlee McKinsey or
>the vastly underrated Maureen Garrett, for example, at the top of
>their game. I've probably watched Beverlee's Alexandra decimate
>Michael Zaslow's Roger at the country club a dozen times or more in
>the last six months to a year, and I always see something I didn't
>notice before--and Beverlee is, of course, endlessly fascinating to
>watch.
I've watched tons of clips of Beverlee as well. Sometimes you wonder
if it was as good as you remember, or if it's just nostalgia. Those
clips confirm that it was just wonderful. I love clips of Michelle
Forbes as Sonni, too. She was one whom I predicted would go far and
that was one of my favorite storylines.
>I've also caught scenes I never saw, such as the ATWT scene when Iva
>Snyder confronted her sister, Ellie, over the fact that Ellie had
>begun a relationship with Kirk when Iva wasn't over him. Hadn't seen
>it the first time, for some reason. Good stuff. I also had missed
>Maureen's death on GL entirely, and I'm extremely glad I got to see
>that. I can't watch that over and over because it's just too painful--
>Ellen Parker was phenomenal; she really made me feel Maureen's rage
>and pain--but I'm so thankful I did finally get to see it.
Maureen's "You broke my heart!" is just searing to watch. I'm glad you
got to see it. The show was never the same again without Maureen. I'm
not sure they ever truly realized what they had done.
KC
KC
Especially when Noelle Beck offered to step aside and let Martha Byrne
finish it out.
KC
Rthrquiet
> I've watched tons of clips of Beverlee as well. Sometimes you wonder
> if it was as good as you remember, or if it's just nostalgia. Those
> clips confirm that it was just wonderful.
Indeed. Its a nice antidote when people try to claim that there really
hasn't been a deterioration in quality. Ptooey.
> > I also had missed
> >Maureen's death on GL entirely, and I'm extremely glad I got to see
> >that. I can't watch that over and over because it's just too painful--
> >Ellen Parker was phenomenal; she really made me feel Maureen's rage
> >and pain--but I'm so thankful I did finally get to see it.
>
> Maureen's "You broke my heart!" is just searing to watch. I'm glad you
> got to see it.
She just ripped Ed to shreds (not that he didn't deserve it, the
jerk). I was just wincing as she tore into him. While killing Maureen
was clearly the wrong, wrong, wrong decision to make, I agree with
Nancy Curlee that, given that the decision was made (by somebody
else), the writing team wrote the hell out of it. I also was jaw-drop
astonished watching Maureen's confrontation scene with Lillian, in
which she accused her of dragging her into some kind of bad suburban
cliche (or something like that). Awesome. I'm so glad Ellen Parker got
the Emmy for that year--not only because it was a beautiful kiss-off
from the Academy to Jill Farren Phelps, but because I've rarely seen a
performance that made me so clearly think, "He/she MUST have an Emmy
for that." There have been a lot of people robbed through the years
(for example, I thought Ellen Dolan should have won the year Margo was
raped), but that would probably have been the biggest injustice, right
up there with Beverlee never getting an Emmy.
> The show was never the same again without Maureen. I'm
> not sure they ever truly realized what they had done.
Phelps has claimed, sometime in the last year to 18 months, probably
in something I read in connection with the cancellation, that yes, she
finally does realize. Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. And it
doesn't do any good now, in any case. And besides, it just rings so
hollow. Lots of bad decisions were also made by those who came after
her, but it's hard to point to any other single bad decision that did
as much irreparable long-term damage as that one. So she regrets it,
in retrospect. Big deal.
Michael
KC
wrote:
>On Oct 2, 12:56 pm, KC <cmk1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Yes, the writers really made the most of it, including marvelous
scenes between Holly and little Michelle, who turned to Holly with her
questions when she entered puberty. Rachel Miner was heartbreakingly
good. All of it was written by people who clearly respected the
characters, the show, and the fans more than Phelps did.
>
>> The show was never the same again without Maureen. I'm
>> not sure they ever truly realized what they had done.
>
>Phelps has claimed, sometime in the last year to 18 months, probably
>in something I read in connection with the cancellation, that yes, she
>finally does realize. Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. And it
>doesn't do any good now, in any case. And besides, it just rings so
>hollow. Lots of bad decisions were also made by those who came after
>her, but it's hard to point to any other single bad decision that did
>as much irreparable long-term damage as that one. So she regrets it,
>in retrospect. Big deal.
>
>Michael
Maureen was an important character in that she was sweet, but not
sappy, understanding, but not a doormat. She told people what she
thought without being judgmental; she told them what they needed to
hear, but didn't stop caring about them if they didn't follow her
advice. Bert was like that in her last decade (though clearly not so
sweet in those early years, yikes!), but when Charita died, Maureen
became the successor of that role. Emma Snyder and Kim Hughes shared
that function on ATWT. But when Maureen was killed off, there was no
one to be that voice. Bea Reardon had some of those qualities, but she
was already gone by the time Mo died. There wasn't any younger
character poised to step into that role, either.
I believe that lack of heart deeply damaged the show in its final 16
years. There was no counterbalance to the antics of most of the
characters and the show often felt like a group of screwed up people
just ricocheting off the walls. For instance, imagine the depth
stories like Ashlee's lap band surgery and her insecurities about her
looks and her relationship with her mother would have been if Maureen
had been there for Ashlee to confide in instead of Daisy.
KC