ATWT Casting shocker, wow just wow
MarkH
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You can't keep a bad man down – but you can give him a handsome new
puss. As the World Turns has cast former General Hospital fave Jon
Lindstrom as Craig Montgomery, the arch-scoundrel who fled Oakdale
last February after attempting murder. The actor's first airdate is
Dec. 3.
"Jon is a witty and immensely likable actor even when he's doing
unspeakable things – as he did [playing twins Kevin and Ryan] on GH,"
says ATWT head writer Jean Passanante. "And that pretty much sums up
Craig."
The character will return to Oakdale "with a deep desire to reconnect
with his family," adds the scribe, "though his first order of business
is to get himself off the hook for trying to kill Paul [Roger
Howarth]. It's a big problem, but Craig is up for the challenge."
Though Craig, who first appeared in 1982, is one of the great villains
in suds history, this marks the fourth recast in three years. Hunt
Block was dropped from the role in 2005. His replacement Jeffrey Meeks
was fired in 2007 and replaced by the original Craig, Scott Bryce, who
in turn got the ax early this year.
Look for an exclusive interview with Lindstrom in TV Guide magazine.
Suzanne
back Hunt.
Suzanne Lanoue
The TV MegaSite, Inc.
http://tvmegasite.net
D.M. Stillwood
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> http://www.tvguide.com/Soaps/ATWT-Exclusive-Jon-20068.aspx
>
> Spoiler space
>
Yet one more instance of the ABC'ing of ATWT.
sheesh.
D.
Jinx
> "MarkH" <MarkH_slipr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Lindstrom is awesome. Everytime I see the character of Laney on GH, I
think to myself: "Wow I wish that were Kevin instead"
Cory
@v53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, jin...@hotmail.com says...
See, here's what I don't understand... according to the spoiler, both
Hunt Block and Scott Bryce were fired.
How in the world do you FIRE the two men who, I'm gonna go out on a limb
and guess, were probably THE most popular incarnations of Craig...
EVER???!!
If they both had left of their own accord, that would have been one
thing, but according to the spoiler, they didn't.
I sure as hell don't get it...
--- Cory
MY NAME SHOULD NOT BE PART OF MY E-MAIL ADDRESS... REMOVE IT TO REPLY
KC
wrote:
It depresses me that we won't see Bryce and McCouch act together. I
know McCouch isn't everyone's cuppa tea, but I would love to see them
in an intense scene together. Sniff.
KC
Grace Noble
"KC" <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:panqe45mem6t7sa5h...@4ax.com...
Scott Bryce was a wonderful Craig. Perhaps he wasn't interested in being
screwed around again. It appears loyalty is in short supply amongst the
management on that show.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<MPG.23570fed8...@news.motzarella.org> Cory
<my_wheel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <d04535e6-8472-449e-9acd-49f91d599973
>@v53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, jin...@hotmail.com says...
>> On Oct 8, 5:30 pm, "D.M. Stillwood" <dmst...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > "MarkH" <MarkH_slipr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:f3a4d34f-2e56-4411...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > >http://www.tvguide.com/Soaps/ATWT-Exclusive-Jon-20068.aspx
>> >
>> > > Spoiler space
>> >
>> > Yet one more instance of the ABC'ing of ATWT.
>> >
>> > sheesh.
Hey, Jon was on other soaps before GH, then PC!!! LOL
>> Lindstrom is awesome. Everytime I see the character of Laney on GH, I
>> think to myself: "Wow I wish that were Kevin instead"
>
>See, here's what I don't understand... according to the spoiler, both
>Hunt Block and Scott Bryce were fired.
>
>How in the world do you FIRE the two men who, I'm gonna go out on a limb
>and guess, were probably THE most popular incarnations of Craig...
>EVER???!!
>
>If they both had left of their own accord, that would have been one
>thing, but according to the spoiler, they didn't.
Cory, there was no question that either of them left of their own volition AT
THE TIME. IOW, ya know, not news. Although Hunt's situation was something he
got himself into that he couldn't get himself out of. And, Goutman called
Bryce at home over the Christmas holidays to let him go. He wasn't at all
happy with the Craig he was getting out of him. Plus, just for the record, the
in between Craig, the one who was one of the McCleary brothers back on SFT,
well, he was let go, too, although I don't really know anyone who actively
liked him.
--
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Dana Carpender
I have to say, I started watching ATWT because I'd really liked Block on
GL, and I was at home working on recipes for my first cookbook, and
needed a show to fill in between the noon showing of L&O and the
then-2pm showing of GL. Was *really* sorry when they let Block go.
Didn't care for Meeks. But Bryce? Holy crap. Bryce was a freakin'
revelation. Bryce was the best "bad guy who thinks he's a good guy"
since Zaslow on GL, and that's saying a *LOT*. That they fired Bryce
and hired *ANYONE* else, tells me they're stupid, tasteless, moronic
assholes.
Dana
Cory
dcar...@kivanospam.net says...
<snip...>
> I have to say, I started watching ATWT because I'd really liked Block on
> GL, and I was at home working on recipes for my first cookbook, and
> needed a show to fill in between the noon showing of L&O and the
> then-2pm showing of GL. Was *really* sorry when they let Block go.
> Didn't care for Meeks. But Bryce? Holy crap. Bryce was a freakin'
> revelation. Bryce was the best "bad guy who thinks he's a good guy"
> since Zaslow on GL, and that's saying a *LOT*.
Others may disagree with me, and that's fine, but Bryce's most recent
incarnation of Craig wasn't even his best incarnation. I blame that on
the writing and character development/direction MUCH more than Bryce.
Some of Scott Bryce's best work was back in the 80's, IMNSHO.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<pcadnY3ojK0TGXDV...@comcast.com> Dana Carpender
<dcar...@kivanospam.net> wrote:
>I have to say, I started watching ATWT because I'd really liked Block on
>GL, and I was at home working on recipes for my first cookbook, and
>needed a show to fill in between the noon showing of L&O and the
>then-2pm showing of GL. Was *really* sorry when they let Block go.
>Didn't care for Meeks. But Bryce? Holy crap. Bryce was a freakin'
>revelation. Bryce was the best "bad guy who thinks he's a good guy"
>since Zaslow on GL, and that's saying a *LOT*. That they fired Bryce
>and hired *ANYONE* else, tells me they're stupid, tasteless, moronic
>assholes.
Dumping Bryce last Christmas (and by calling him at home while on their brief
hiatus to tell him so) is one of those points when I got serious about
thinking that Goutman had lost it.
wtfa...@yahoo.com
*flips off Chris Goutman* You couldn't find a use for Scott Bryce,
but we need another ABC actor? Ugh ATWT for me is currently going the
route of GL and has been for 6 months.
wtfa...@yahoo.com
> Cory wrote:
> > In article <d04535e6-8472-449e-9acd-49f91d599973
>
> - Show quoted text -
<3 Dana. I couldn't have said it better myself. And I'm not saying
Lindstrom isn't a good actor. He's one of soaps' best. But come on.
Hunt Block was terrific. Scott Bryce was even better. The show
couldn't make room for them, yet we have room for him? It's just
another slap in the face to long-term fans.
KC
I can hardly blame him. If Goutman, so well-known as being on the
actors' side, as a former actor himself, could do the things he did,
yeah, loyalty has pretty much left the building.
KC
wtfa...@yahoo.com
> In article <pcadnY3ojK0TGXDVnZ2dnUVZ_gmdn...@comcast.com>,
> dcarp...@kivanospam.net says...
> <snip...>> I have to say, I started watching ATWT because I'd really liked Block on
> > GL, and I was at home working on recipes for my first cookbook, and
> > needed a show to fill in between the noon showing of L&O and the
> > then-2pm showing of GL. Was *really* sorry when they let Block go.
> > Didn't care for Meeks. But Bryce? Holy crap. Bryce was a freakin'
> > revelation. Bryce was the best "bad guy who thinks he's a good guy"
> > since Zaslow on GL, and that's saying a *LOT*.
>
> <small snip...>
>
> Others may disagree with me, and that's fine, but Bryce's most recent
> incarnation of Craig wasn't even his best incarnation. I blame that on
> the writing and character development/direction MUCH more than Bryce.
> Some of Scott Bryce's best work was back in the 80's, IMNSHO.
>
> --- Cory
>
>
> MY NAME SHOULD NOT BE PART OF MY E-MAIL ADDRESS... REMOVE IT TO REPLY
That's the thing though, Cory. The writing was atrocious, and yet
Bryce's performance was still exquisite. The character was written so
blandly, and yet Bryce added layers that were nowhere to be found in
the writing.
KC
I'm glad to hear that Hunt fan was won over by Bryce, your comments
mirror what my mother (also not familiar with Bryce's Craig) said to
me after about one day of Bryce. Well, minus the freakin'. ;-))
I've always been surprised that Bryce didn't take off in nighttime. I
could see him playing James Spader's role on Boston Legal, for
example. He somehow got relegated to the role of the guy that married
(fill in the name of a lead female in a cast).
KC
MarkH
>
> *flips off Chris Goutman* You couldn't find a use for Scott Bryce,
> but we need another ABC actor? Ugh ATWT for me is currently going the
> route of GL and has been for 6 months.
I wonder if his ex co-star (ex-Eve, PC; Janet, ATWT) was at all
instrumental in lobbying for him for the gig.
As an OUTSIDER (all I do is catch occasional episodes or portions of
episodes on CBS.com), I am struck by the high voltage, experienced,
generally-viewed-as-talented soap actors who have been brought in over
the past year or so. For the most part (although there is mixed
opinion on Austin Peck), I haven't heard people say any of these
performers are duds. I'm impressed that they are not just cheaping
out and hiring the newest of newbies.
Pidge
wrote:
Grrrr @*@&#*!
No offense to Lindstrom. I don't watch ATWT anymore, stopped when they fired
Bryce, but pulllllleaze. They will never learn.
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Pidge
wrote:
>Cory wrote:
Exactly what I think of them!
And Bryce is an acting god. 'Nuff said.
Pidge
They gave him crap, he came out with golden performances. How dare he!!
KC
Duds? Well, no, not exactly duds, but I wouldn't say "high-voltage"
either. The last actor on ATWT that was high-voltage, experienced,
and talented was Scott Bryce and they got rid of him good and fast.
Peck has improved in a role that's a total rewrite of the character,
but he's better than he was.
Noelle Beck is OK as Lily, but not exceptional. Gets the job done.
Pinson's Janet started out as an Italian caricature until she added
some layers that probably weren't on the page. Then her talent came
through and generated some excitement.
I'd say that the latest Chris Hughes was a dud (partly due to the
disastrous rewrite of the character).
Marnie S. as Alison started off as a horrible recast, equal parts
wrong actor and character assassination, but she's a little better
now.
Who am I missing that set ATWT on fire? ;-)
I'm not sure newbies would be so bad. Jennifer Ferrin and Jennifer
Landon were soap newbies. I think the bigger problem is that the show
rewrites returning characters to suit the actor they want to hire,
longtime viewers be damned.
KC
Kolbard
Bryce was so good that he stuck out like a sore thumb. It was almost
sad watching him tower over nearly every scene partner. I don't think
he ever got the memo that he was supposed to be cheesy and
one-dimensional. =|
Kolbard
TheBahboo
Sadly, this is it for me. I have already stopped watching GL due to
inability to sit thru the stupid. Now, I shall give up on ATWT as
well. I have been watching these shows since 1967. Over 40 years,
but cannot keep watching.
Rthrquiet
I'm pretty well speechless at that one.
> "Jon is a witty and immensely likable actor even when he's doing
> unspeakable things – as he did [playing twins Kevin and Ryan] on GH,"
> says ATWT head writer Jean Passanante. "And that pretty much sums up
> Craig."
And what, exactly, in the above scenario does NOT apply to Scott
Bryce, pray tell? I thought Goutman's whole problem with Bryce's Craig
was that he made him too human and too likable, when they wanted
somebody sufficiently unlikable to make Paul look like a hero by
comparison. Why is likability an asset all of a sudden?
> The character will return to Oakdale "with a deep desire to reconnect
> with his family," adds the scribe, "though his first order of business
> is to get himself off the hook for trying to kill Paul [Roger
> Howarth]. It's a big problem, but Craig is up for the challenge."
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about Jean, Leah, and their
team.
> Though Craig, who first appeared in 1982, is one of the great villains
> in suds history, this marks the fourth recast in three years. Hunt
> Block was dropped from the role in 2005. His replacement Jeffrey Meeks
> was fired in 2007 and replaced by the original Craig, Scott Bryce, who
> in turn got the ax early this year.
>
> Look for an exclusive interview with Lindstrom in TV Guide magazine.
I think very highly of Lindstrom as an actor. If Bryce had left of his
own accord, I would be very be willing to give Lindstrom a chance. But
I'm sorry, no. Much as I like Jon Lindstrom, he brings nothing to the
table that Scott Bryce did not.
TPTB have not learned one single thing from the Martha Byrne debacle,
have they? Scott Bryce is gone, and there's no undoing that (or the
way it was handled), but they could at least have let Craig stay gone;
that would have been the sensible thing to do.
Lordy, what a freaking train wreck this whole production has become.
Michael
Rthrquiet
> But Bryce? Holy crap. Bryce was a freakin'
> revelation. Bryce was the best "bad guy who thinks he's a good guy"
> since Zaslow on GL, and that's saying a *LOT*. That they fired Bryce
> and hired *ANYONE* else, tells me they're stupid, tasteless, moronic
> assholes.
I'm utterly floored that they would even try this. I don't know
whether to think they're totally clueless or incredibly arrogant.
Given some of the things Mr. Goutman has said in the press, I'm
inclining toward the latter.
You'd have to be either incredibly inept or incredibly arrogant to
think this was going to work. They're either so stupid that they don't
understand how miffed people were about Bryce's departure, or they're
so arrogant that they think they can put somebody new on the screen,
even somebody well known and well liked, and we won't notice or care.
(Because the latter tactic worked so well in the case of Noelle Beck,
right? Yeah, exactly.)
Michael
Kolbard
wrote:
Really, it's codeword for "unspeakable villain." How many times do
they bring somebody on as a new or existing character, promising
three-dimensionality but instead making them horrible? I mean, Roscoe
Born's character on DoOL was supposed to be more than the typical
villain he always played, and look how that went over... ATWT is no
different.
Kolbard
Mr. Hole the Magnificent
I thought he didn't want to play Kevin on GH any more.
Dana Carpender
The plus side is that a friend is starting a new company and may want me
to work with her. Nice to know I won't suffer from working through the
afternoon, isn't it?
Dana
DonnaB shallotpeel
<52d43fb9-bdc8-4bc3...@q35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> "Mr. Hole
the Magnificent" <Classic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 8, 5:33 pm, Jinx <jinx...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 5:30 pm, "D.M. Stillwood" <dmst...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> > "MarkH" <MarkH_slipr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:f3a4d34f-2e56-4411...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > >http://www.tvguide.com/Soaps/ATWT-Exclusive-Jon-20068.aspx
>>
>> > > Spoiler space
>>
>> > Yet one more instance of the ABC'ing of ATWT.
>>
>> > sheesh.
>>
>> Lindstrom is awesome. Everytime I see the character of Laney on GH, I
>> think to myself: "Wow I wish that were Kevin instead"
>
>I thought he didn't want to play Kevin on GH any more.
ABC threw both him & Lynn Herring away, not the other way around.
alia robinson
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"TheBahboo" <TheDark...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, I'm out too. I loved hunt block, adored him. I could even tolerate
Meeks, and thought scott bryce performed miracles with the crap he was given
although I do still like HB more, but to see craig recast again by someone I
have seen for years in a very signature role? I'm sorry I can't swallow it.
I'm not a big fan of dusty, so to see him come back to start up the old
rivalry with paul..I can't watch that either, and since Luke/Noah might as
well become catholic priests..and the new Lil is annoying, and it looks like
carly/jack are heading towards another reunion..I am sitting here trying to
think of one reason to watch..I am finding none.
and with comcast taking away newsgroups I can't even come here to bitch
about it so what's the point..lol. Well, I will miss all of you and the
discussions even though I didn't post much.
Alia
KC
wrote:
Well, every time Paul and Craig start fighting or threatening each
other with the same tired dialogue we've seen a hundred times, I'll
yell at the TV, "That Alia would be REALLY pissed if she was seeing
this!" How's that? ;-))
KC
alia robinson
LOL, I think you'll lose your voice, but at least someone will be yelling on
my behalf. Knowing me I'll be checking in. I always say I'm stopping, but
usually go back.
Alia
chicagofan
I think you've nailed it best... he couldn't[or wouldn't] play that one
note villain that they wanted, because he knows that's not what
audiences want to see. He's too good an actor to be the cheesy
character they were writing. I hope they consider Roger Howarth worth
the sacrifice of SB... I certainly don't.
I agree with Dana's description of TPTB... they're stupid, tasteless and
all the rest! I can't picture Jon as Craig, but like others have
said... I'll just look at him as a new character.
bj
Cory
@earthlink.net says...
<snip...>
> I'm not sure newbies would be so bad. Jennifer Ferrin and Jennifer
> Landon were soap newbies. I think the bigger problem is that the show
> rewrites returning characters to suit the actor they want to hire,
> longtime viewers be damned.
>
> KC
And it pisses me off to no end that TIIC rewrite the characters... or
should I say, destroys them... to suit any chosen actor's strengths and
weaknesses.
--- Cory
KC
Exactly. In so many cases, it would have been perfectly acceptable for
the character to be a new one, for instance, instead of rewriting, and
I agree, destroying, Adam Hughes, he could have just been a records
producer *friend* of Adam Hughes.
The whole point of that story was to have Gwen's music career pull her
towards a man wthl the same interests who she's spending tons of time
with and threaten her marriage, only to discover that this guy is a
creep. It felt like they thought throwing us a history bone in having
it be Adam would satisfy that miniscule portion of their minds that
acknowledges long time fans. Gee, thanks.
I think the most egregious example is hiring Howarth and rewriting
Paul to become nuTodd.
KC
Cory
@earthlink.net says...
<snip...>
> I think the most egregious example is hiring Howarth and rewriting
> Paul to become nuTodd.
>
> KC
Exactly.
Roger Howarth on DAWSON'S CREEK was a double-edged sword for me. I DO
believe that he gave the show a shot in the arm. At the same time, the
character that he played was ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT PodTodd, and I
would have liked to have seen a little variation on that character on
DC.
I feel the same way about ToddPaul on ATWT. I DO think that Roger
Howarth's appearance on the show gives ATWT a shot in the arm.
Regardless of the reasons why, I feel that RH has sensational name
recognition in the daytime television industry. Fans will flock to
whichever show(s) he's on, just to see him.
That said, the only character they are going to see is a variation (and
a minor variation, at that) of Todd Manning, because that's the only
character that I feel RH can play. THAT is the downside to having RH on
one of your shows, and there are a lot of fans out there who, I feel,
for whatever reason, are either ignoring that or haven't figured that
out yet (that RH has limited range, I mean).
--- Cory