GL Harley recast?
Jinx
I'd read about there being a "wishlist" of established actresses
compiled by tptb. One of the actresses on the list being Cady McClain
(Dixie, AMC, Rosanna, ATWT). Ironically I remember Beth Ehlers being
on a list of actresses a Soap mag once suggested as recasts for
McClain's Dixie years ago).
Ehlers will be difficult to replace, but if they do go ahead with a
recast, who would be on YOUR wishlist?
Cory
@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, jin...@hotmail.com says...
Hayley Barr (ex-Courtney, ATWT... she also filled in temporarily for
Ehlers a couple of times last year when Ehlers had health emergencies),
but I don't think she'd do it full-time. She's a photographer these
days.
--- Cory
CM 2
recast, who would be on YOUR wishlist?"
No one. Once she's gone, I won't be watching anyway.
Candy
Pidge
I think she's pretty much irreplaceable. They'll try but I think it will fail.
They'll get it wrong.
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Rthrquiet
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:41:13 -0400, cmsquar...@webtv.net (CM 2) wrote:
> >"Ehlers will be difficult to replace, but if they do go ahead with a
> >recast, who would be on YOUR wishlist?"
>
> >No one. Once she's gone, I won't be watching anyway.
>
> >Candy
>
> I think she's pretty much irreplaceable. They'll try but I think it will fail.
> They'll get it wrong.
Especially since they'll probably try to do it on the cheap, if they
do it at all.
Cady McClain is an interesting idea. I don't know how she feels about
Procter & Gamble these days. She'd certainly be considered a casting
coup, and she'd at least have a *prayer* of succeeding.
But I agree that Ehlers is pretty much irreplaceable.
Michael
MsLiz
<rthr...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 15, 12:06=A0pm, Pidge <pi...@antispam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:41:13 -0400, cmsquar...@webtv.net (CM 2) wrote:
>> >"Ehlers will be difficult to replace, but if they do go ahead with a
>> >recast, who would be on YOUR wishlist?"
>>
>> >No one. =A0Once she's gone, I won't be watching anyway.
>>
>> >Candy
>>
>> I think she's pretty much irreplaceable. =A0 They'll try but I think it wi=
>ll fail.
>> They'll get it wrong.
>
>Especially since they'll probably try to do it on the cheap, if they
>do it at all.
>
>Cady McClain is an interesting idea. I don't know how she feels about
>Procter & Gamble these days. She'd certainly be considered a casting
>coup, and she'd at least have a *prayer* of succeeding.
>
>But I agree that Ehlers is pretty much irreplaceable.
>
>Michael
I love Cady McClain and would be interested in seeing her take on the
role. We've seen her as rich and refined (Rosanna), country and sweet
(Dixie), now we could see her as hard-edged and cynical with a big
heart.
Does anyone know when we will see Beth on AMC? I don't watch it
every day.
MsLiz
DonnaB shallotpeel
>Does anyone know when we will see Beth on AMC? I don't watch it
>every day.
No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
Liza, which was the original plan.
I continue to believe that Ehlers has made a big mistake. Continues to scare
me.
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(in article <jona54puol86k18gd...@4ax.com>):
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:00:36 GMT, in <48555815....@news.charter.net>
> Ms...@msliz.com (MsLiz) wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know when we will see Beth on AMC? I don't watch it
>> every day.
>
> No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
> playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
> her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
> Liza, which was the original plan.
>
> I continue to believe that Ehlers has made a big mistake. Continues to scare
> me.
Maybe she has played the character of Harley too long. Jumping in without
thinking into an unknown situation is just exactly what Harley would do.
Fionn
DonnaB shallotpeel
<0001HW.C47ADE81...@news.verizon.net> Fionn
<Fi...@finnbarr.netinvalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:29:34 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel wrote
>(in article <jona54puol86k18gd...@4ax.com>):
>
>> No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
>> playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
>> her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
>> Liza, which was the original plan.
>>
>> I continue to believe that Ehlers has made a big mistake. Continues to scare
>> me.
>
>Maybe she has played the character of Harley too long. Jumping in without
>thinking into an unknown situation is just exactly what Harley would do.
LOL!! What about pressure from RPG? What about an inability to have something
she hoped to have but learned she wouldn't get to. However, RPG was firmly in
place prior to the HW change-over & is locked in as a core family member, even
though twice before they've run out of story to tell with adult Jake Martin!
(When J. Eddie Peck & Michael Lowry both played the character.)
JosieK
wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:00:36 GMT, in <48555815.380893...@news.charter.net>
>
> Ms...@msliz.com (MsLiz) wrote:
> >Does anyone know when we will see Beth on AMC? I don't watch it
> >every day.
>
> No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
> playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
> her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
> Liza, which was the original plan.
Well, that ought to make the big announcement planned for Friday at
the Emmys very strange indeed. I have to think they have determined
by now who she's going to be and they're just keeping it very top
secret so it can be a surprise at the Emmys.
virgini...@gmail.com
Yes, the announcement which is no doubt being made at the Emmys (SPW
said both Ricky and Beth would be participating in the broadcast) will
keep me watching the Emmys this year!
I think her decision was sound...what could provide a scarier job
security scenario than GL with ratings sitting at 1.6?
va
M
temporarily..something like Hallie (Sparks, Spares) and she did an
excellent job.
M
Cory
says...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:36:47 -0700 (PDT), Rthrquiet
> <rthr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 15, 12:06=A0pm, Pidge <pi...@antispam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:41:13 -0400, cmsquar...@webtv.net (CM 2) wrote:
> >> >"Ehlers will be difficult to replace, but if they do go ahead with a
> >> >recast, who would be on YOUR wishlist?"
> >>
> >> >No one. =A0Once she's gone, I won't be watching anyway.
> >>
> >> >Candy
> >>
> >> I think she's pretty much irreplaceable. =A0 They'll try but I think it wi=
> >ll fail.
> >> They'll get it wrong.
> >
> >Especially since they'll probably try to do it on the cheap, if they
> >do it at all.
> >
> >Cady McClain is an interesting idea. I don't know how she feels about
> >Procter & Gamble these days. She'd certainly be considered a casting
> >coup, and she'd at least have a *prayer* of succeeding.
> >
> >But I agree that Ehlers is pretty much irreplaceable.
> >
> >Michael
>
> I love Cady McClain and would be interested in seeing her take on the
> role. We've seen her as rich and refined (Rosanna),
I know I'm just one person, but I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER bought Cady's
portrayal of Rosanna. YP *is* Rosanna to me... ALWAYS. No one else
will ever be able to do the character justice, I believe.
--- Cory
--
http://my-wheel-life.vox.com/
> country and sweet (Dixie), now we could see her as hard-edged and cynical
Cory
@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, virgini...@gmail.com says...
<re: Ehler's decision to leave GL...>
> I think her decision was sound...what could provide a scarier job
> security scenario than GL with ratings sitting at 1.6?
>
> va
Allow me to play Devil's Advocate... AFAIK, Ehlers' only role in daytime
television has been Harley. What if we find out, because of the AMC
role, that Ehlers is a one trick pony (I SERIOUSLY doubt she is, FTR),
and can't play any other role but Harley convincingly??
What then?
IOW, yeah, being on a sinking ship like GL ISN'T good for an actress'
career, but neither would going to a different show... one that's
relatively successful and has been for a long time, and bombing on that
show.
JM2CW... and again, I was only playing DA. I DO believe that Ehlers has
it in her to do other roles VERY successfully.
Kolbard
wrote:
I've always felt that, as well.
Kolbard
Rthrquiet
wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:00:36 GMT, in <48555815.380893...@news.charter.net>
>
> Ms...@msliz.com (MsLiz) wrote:
> >Does anyone know when we will see Beth on AMC? I don't watch it
> >every day.
>
> No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
> playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
> her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
> Liza, which was the original plan.
>
> I continue to believe that Ehlers has made a big mistake. Continues to scare
> me.
Well, the fact that they signed her without a specific and concrete
idea of whom she would play is in itself not a good sign, wouldn't you
say? Soap PTB never seem to learn that particular lesson. I'm in favor
of snatching up proven talent when it becomes available, but the track
record on crossovers when PTB don't have a definite plan in mind for
the actor/actress from the get-go is pretty dismal.
That said, I think choosing not to have her play Liza is a wise move.
I don't think AMC fans are ready for anybody other than Marcy Walker
in that role.
Michael
virgini...@gmail.com
They signed her with the concrete idea of her playing Liza, but the
new H'W changed that. I agree that it was a wise move for several
reasons. The audience seems to want only Marcy Walker, and also Beth
is able to play comedy really well and that role doesn't seem to me to
be one that calls for that. Perhaps Pratt is having her play a role
(existing or new) that will play to her strengths which are numerous.
I think Beth will do just fine.
va
Cory
kol...@alternate.reality says...
I will admit, though, after thinking about it a bit, that the way TPTB
wrote Cady's Rosanna was VASTLY different than the way they wrote for
YP's Rosanna. IOW, I didn't like ROSANNA too much after Cady took over,
either.
Still, I stand by what I said. If Cady had to do YP's Rosanna, I don't
think she would have been able to portray her as well as YP did.
Cory
mbor...@rochester.rr.com says...
Sorry to disagree, but watching soap operas has taught me otherwise.
Cory
mbor...@rochester.rr.com says...
Hayley Barr (was Hayley Barr Sparks, but there have been rumors swirling
that she and hubby Willis are now divorced), and I don't think she'd be
interested in a long-term gig now. She's a photographer these days.
She used to have a website promoting her work, but it's up and
disappeared last I checked.
Rthrquiet
> I think Beth will do just fine.
Oh, I have no doubt of that; what concerns me, and what I think
concerns Donna, is whether All My Children is going to turn out to be
an improvement in terms of work environment, for both Beth Ehlers and
RPG, or whether they've gone from what was clearly, to them, an
unsatisfactory situation at GL to something even worse. That would be
really upsetting for all concerned--just a loss all the way around.
Michael
JosieK
Is it that hard to fathom that maybe Beth just wants to do something
different now? She's being doing this same role for 20+ years and
maybe she wants a change. And she's not dumb - I'm sure she saw the
writing on the wall and realized that with its plummeting ratings and
draconian budget cuts, GL is no longer in any position to offer her
long term stability. Why not take a chance now? She probably would
have been job hunting soon enough anyway.
AMC may not turn out to be a nirvana and it is certainly not without
problems but they seem to being doing something right while GL seems
to be doing everything wrong. And even if the working environment at
AMC doesn't turn out to be a bed of roses, Beth might enjoy once again
performing full-sized scripts in a climate controlled studio on
professional looking, properly lit sets. She might be thrilled that
she no longer has to schlep out to Peapack, New Jersey to deliver her
lines in an empty field or by the side of the road.
Sorry, I just can't see leaving GL for another soap as a bad thing.
Pidge
wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:00:36 GMT, in <48555815....@news.charter.net>
>Ms...@msliz.com (MsLiz) wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know when we will see Beth on AMC? I don't watch it
>>every day.
>
>No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
>playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
>her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
>Liza, which was the original plan.
>
>I continue to believe that Ehlers has made a big mistake. Continues to scare
>me.
I think she had to do it....sinking ship, poor writing for Harley....
I'm sure she got bored with it all.
>
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>Yahoo Msgr: shallotpeel <*> http://tinyurl.co.uk/h193
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>
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<54nb54tnlnjggcftk...@4ax.com> Pidge <pi...@antispam.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:29:34 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel <shall...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
>>playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
>>her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
>>Liza, which was the original plan.
>>
>>I continue to believe that Ehlers has made a big mistake. Continues to scare
>>me.
>
>I think she had to do it....sinking ship, poor writing for Harley....
>I'm sure she got bored with it all.
No way. She didn't *have* to do it. Beth has been very very valued at GL. Beth
cares that the mortgage is paid. Otherwise she's going to give 100% most of
the time & 110% the rest & she is talented enough to play anything, anywhere.
But, she's a newbie, with a price tag, at AMC. And, AMC has seen many newbies
come & go. Plus, actors at GL are getting a taste of not liking change in
production methods, while they've been having to face that for years at AMC.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<fd45e0c4-b615-400c...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
virgini...@gmail.com wrote:
>I think her decision was sound ...
I hope so.
> ... what could provide a scarier job
>security scenario than GL with ratings sitting at 1.6?
Being a newbie at AMC, that's what.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<45abffc1-ba0d-4b48...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
virgini...@gmail.com wrote:
>They signed her with the concrete idea of her playing Liza, but the
>new H'W changed that. I agree that it was a wise move for several
>reasons. The audience seems to want only Marcy Walker, and also Beth
>is able to play comedy really well and that role doesn't seem to me to
>be one that calls for that.
Marcy had as much good dry humor as Liza as Beth had as Harley! They're teen
backgrounds are not similar, but they both have had men & children & heartache
& gone on the run & pathos & hilarity, but moreso zingy one-liners.
> Perhaps Pratt is having her play a role
>(existing or new) that will play to her strengths which are numerous.
>I think Beth will do just fine.
Fitz, I didn't say anything at all about Beth's abilities!! Life paying the
mortgage & school fees & helping out with family & friends if needed & feeling
secure doesn't come from sheer talent.
At any rate, just because it's something I am worried about, and I think that
is warranted, it doesn't mean other people who are as big Ehlers fans as I am,
have to agree.
Pidge
wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:23:30 -0400, in
><54nb54tnlnjggcftk...@4ax.com> Pidge <pi...@antispam.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:29:34 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel <shall...@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
>>>playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
>>>her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
>>>Liza, which was the original plan.
>>>
>>>I continue to believe that Ehlers has made a big mistake. Continues to scare
>>>me.
>>
>>I think she had to do it....sinking ship, poor writing for Harley....
>>I'm sure she got bored with it all.
>
>No way. She didn't *have* to do it. Beth has been very very valued at GL. Beth
>cares that the mortgage is paid. Otherwise she's going to give 100% most of
>the time & 110% the rest & she is talented enough to play anything, anywhere.
>But, she's a newbie, with a price tag, at AMC. And, AMC has seen many newbies
>come & go. Plus, actors at GL are getting a taste of not liking change in
>production methods, while they've been having to face that for years at AMC.
>
>--
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>Yahoo Msgr: shallotpeel <*> http://tinyurl.co.uk/h193
>http://tinyurl.co.uk/wdp8 http://tinyurl.co.uk/byv9
Beth may be valued, but I don't think Harley's been valued by TPTB.
I support her leaving, I'll even check out AMC once in a while.
MarkH
history are doomed to repeat it".
I am referring to me.
I've been reading that fabulous Museum of Radio and Television book
"Worlds Without End", which was an exhibition devoted to the soap
opera about a decade ago. There are some terrific academic essays and
so forth about soaps.
But that's not my point here. My point is all about the foo-foo-rah
about the "new production model". Well, it turns out part of it is
"back to the future".
The first essay talks a lot about the transition of soaps from radio
to television. It talks about how the change in the production model
evolved over time, and that the experiments occurred on air. And it
talks about how many soaps failed to make the transition
successfully...it took the whole genre some time to get there.
For example, the early scripts written by radio writers specified no
movement. A stage direction like "she stands at the mailbox" would be
provided, without clarification of where the mailbox was or how it
related to anything else.
As has oft been written, ATWT/GL had lots of generic black
backgrounds, from which things like window frames and pictures hung
from the rafters with wire. To compensate for this, THE EXTREME
CLOSEUP came to be popular...so you couldn't see the surrounding
environment so much.
Sounds a lot like something "new and improved" that has been happening
on GL. Of course, the real difference in GL is these handhelds and
these locations...whereas the classic transition to TV was still a
multi-camera operation.
The essay goes on to pick up another interesting thread. In the
beginning, primetime and daytime production values didn't differ that
much. Paddy Chayefsky and Rod Serling were producing primetime plays,
and daytime was producing its' daytime variant...but many of the
stylistic conventions were similar.
However, EVEN THEN, the male-driven primetime was getting much more
respect than the for-female programmed daytime. This is despite the
fact that both forms were actually striving for verisimilitude and
(according to the essay) melodrama hadn't yet become quite so
infused. (Although the early soaps were undeniably about trials and
tribulations).
Other interesting tidbits: The essayist tries to claim that Dickens'
"Pickwick Papers" (serialized stories) were the first "serials", and
that comics/comic strips predated radio dramas as the serial form.
It also says that "voiceovers" were developed because (a) radio
writers were used to doing them, and didn't know what else to do, but
(b) it gave female viewers a chance to follow their stories while
listening...without having to look up from ironing or peeling the
potatoes :-).
I love love love this book :-). Every picture is beautiful and perfect
(not grainy/dark)...and best of all, it was $1.99 used at Amazon.com!
But, here is how I relate it back to this thread:
We're all saying GL is dying, GL is dying. And it MAY be. Many soaps
failed in their transition from radio, or in their invention for the
new form (television). So, maybe GL will be a casualty.
But, in historical context, GL was the standard-bearer for the
transition from one medium to another, and it is fitting that GL
strives to do it again. It is a path that is fraught with risk...but
if the early pioneers hadn't tried to get GL off radio all those years
ago....that show would never have survived for this reinvention.
One of the things about the transition from radio was that P&G and the
network gave the show TIME to work out the on-camera experiments and
the reinvention of the narrative style. It later gave the shows time
to expand from 15 minutes and then from 30 minutes. I'm not sure that
patience exists any more, but the implication is that if we give GL
enough TIME...it may blaze the trail again.
I'm sure many old GL viewers didn't like that their show changed its
emphasis off Reverend Rutledge, or that it moved from California to
Springfield. They might have said "that is not the show I started to
love...these are not the characters I valued...". But all these
changes (making the Bauers front and center) had to be done to make
the canvas desirable to viewers AT THAT TIME. Maybe now GL needs to
find its post-television equivalent of "leaving Springfield" and
"finding a new core family".
On another board, "marceline" has said that "nostalgia" is the REAL
soap killer. We hang on relentlessly to the way it was...and that
stunts evolution and adaptation.
Is GL dying, or is it evolving? Can a patient audience and a new
audience let it become whatever it next will be?
virgini...@gmail.com
You have brought up so many good points, and GL might survive IF P&G
and CBS give it time to get the writing back on track. Had the
writing been compelling, if the plots had been character-driven, I
think GL would have survived these production changes until they could
get them refined. But the writing took a back seat to the change in
production techniques, and scripts were half the size they had been
according to one of the actors. We didn't need to be told that - many
shows turned into long videos with lots of music (bad music for the
most part IMO), characters moving around, ducks in the pond etc. but
very little dialogue. It appears to me that perhaps they are
correcting that, but it bothers me that the show thought it was a good
idea to turn GL into an old MTV video to begin with.
Maybe they can turn it around - I hope so!
va
virgini...@gmail.com
wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:11:29 -0700 (PDT), in
I bow to your knowledge of Liza because I don't know the character
other than reading some in the press when Marcy played her and what
others have said.
Also, my intention was not to imply that you questioned her skill. I
think I was just replying to Michael about their not having a part in
mind for her when they hired her. I then gave what seemed to be
reasonable possibilities why Pratt chose to go another direction. I
was lazy and didn't c/p as I should have.
va
virgini...@gmail.com
> >
>
> Beth may be valued, but I don't think Harley's been valued by TPTB.
> I support her leaving, I'll even check out AMC once in a while.
>
> -------------
>
as has the writing for most of the characters over the last year or
two.
va
DonnaB shallotpeel
<fosc541evcgcahksm...@4ax.com> Pidge <pi...@antispam.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:53:28 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel <shall...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:23:30 -0400, in
>><54nb54tnlnjggcftk...@4ax.com> Pidge <pi...@antispam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:29:34 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel <shall...@comcast.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
>>>>playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
>>>>her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
>>>>Liza, which was the original plan.
>>>>
>>>>I continue to believe that Ehlers has made a big mistake. Continues to scare
>>>>me.
>>>
>>>I think she had to do it....sinking ship, poor writing for Harley....
>>>I'm sure she got bored with it all.
>>
>>No way. She didn't *have* to do it. Beth has been very very valued at GL. Beth
>>cares that the mortgage is paid. Otherwise she's going to give 100% most of
>>the time & 110% the rest & she is talented enough to play anything, anywhere.
>>But, she's a newbie, with a price tag, at AMC. And, AMC has seen many newbies
>>come & go. Plus, actors at GL are getting a taste of not liking change in
>>production methods, while they've been having to face that for years at AMC.
>
>Beth may be valued, but I don't think Harley's been valued by TPTB.
>I support her leaving, I'll even check out AMC once in a while.
Oh, sorry, I should have been more clear: Beth Ehlers as Harley Cooper has
been valued for many years, at GL.
I support Beth Ehlers in anything she attempts, period, but that has nothing
to do with my concerns.
I've watched AMC off & on since it went on the air. I've been watching it
now/this time, since slightly before Angie's return.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<665d7b81-fc7c-42ac...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>
virgini...@gmail.com wrote:
>I agree. The writing for Harley has been detrimental to the character
>as has the writing for most of the characters over the last year or
>two.
I completely disagree.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<0b99d37b-4113-4001...@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
virgini...@gmail.com wrote:
>I bow to your knowledge of Liza because I don't know the character
>other than reading some in the press when Marcy played her and what
>others have said.
>
>Also, my intention was not to imply that you questioned her skill. I
>think I was just replying to Michael about their not having a part in
>mind for her when they hired her. I then gave what seemed to be
>reasonable possibilities why Pratt chose to go another direction. I
>was lazy and didn't c/p as I should have.
Okay, Fitz, no problem. Now I see what you were saying. And, I agree that a
recast for Liza wasn't a good idea for Beth EVEN THOUGH it would be timely to
have Liza back in Pine Valley, which it very much would. <G>
But, you bring me to another point. Actors who sign to another soap, rather
than the soap they're on, with B&E as HWs. NUTS!!
Meanwhile AMC fans just saw Greg back (Larry Lau) and already would like to
have him back!
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Rthrquiet
> On another board, "marceline" has said that "nostalgia" is the REAL
> soap killer. We hang on relentlessly to the way it was...and that
> stunts evolution and adaptation.
What nostalgia is it that's killing soaps? Nostalgia for the days of
quality storytelling? Nostalgia for the days of character consistency?
Nostalgia for the days when the creative personnel were valued?
Nostalgia for the days when the actors who were hired could . . . act?
Nostalgia for the days when the entire audience was important, not
just a slice of it?
Oh yeah, all of those nostalgias, they're what is killing soaps, they
absolutely are, no question about it.
Michael
Rthrquiet
wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:47:54 -0700 (PDT), in
> <665d7b81-fc7c-42ac-ab4b-e2e5bf25c...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>
>
> virginia.ca...@gmail.com wrote:
> >I agree. The writing for Harley has been detrimental to the character
> >as has the writing for most of the characters over the last year or
> >two.
>
> I completely disagree.
>
That surprises me, Donna. On the whole, I find GL to be pretty well
written, though the storylines have big problems of the same sort that
ATWT's storylines have. But the character of Harley, specifically, was
woefully damaged, in my opinion, by this latest involvement with
Cyrus.
Michael
DonnaB shallotpeel
<d1f9584c-0c2f-4a23...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Rthrquiet
<rthr...@aol.com> wrote:
>That surprises me, Donna. On the whole, I find GL to be pretty well
>written, though the storylines have big problems of the same sort that
>ATWT's storylines have. But the character of Harley, specifically, was
>woefully damaged, in my opinion, by this latest involvement with
>Cyrus.
I know many people feel that way, but I just don't. Partly because I like the
pairing; they were hot as can be; Partly because I completely bought the
reason for their coming together: two people who lived through an amazing,
terrifying near-death experience that bonded them together. And, partly
because I don't think that Marina & Cyrus was ever a credible couple. I don't
believe he loved Marina, although I do believe he wanted to make her happy if
he could. And, I'm not sure if Marina knows what love is.
I've given up. I like this Marina. But, they have tried her with every male on
the show & she doesn't *do* romance or couples. And, she seems to have
desperation, neediness & whininess just crawling off of her!!
I hate all things Natalia. I hate all things Rafe. But, I think RPG should
have tried harder to play this alternative 'life'. He's a professional.
Thoughts?
What storyline problematic comparisons do you see with ATWT?
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DonnaB shallotpeel
<mbor...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>It some point there was another actress who portrayed Harley
>temporarily..something like Hallie (Sparks, Spares) and she did an
>excellent job.
I thought she was just barely adequate as a very temp temp, but I couldn't buy
her as Harley full time.
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<8cd43919-1b09-4a88...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> JosieK
<Joseph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 15, 2:29 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>> No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
>> playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
>> her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
>> Liza, which was the original plan.
>
>Well, that ought to make the big announcement planned for Friday at
>the Emmys very strange indeed. I have to think they have determined
>by now who she's going to be and they're just keeping it very top
>secret so it can be a surprise at the Emmys.
Well, if so, that freaks me out even more! That sounds just like Fronsie's
ineffective stunt promoting.
Who said what where?
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<2a5af307-336d-4aac...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Jinx
<jin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Any more word on a Harley recast?
>I'd read about there being a "wishlist" of established actresses
>compiled by tptb. One of the actresses on the list being Cady McClain
>(Dixie, AMC, Rosanna, ATWT). Ironically I remember Beth Ehlers being
>on a list of actresses a Soap mag once suggested as recasts for
>McClain's Dixie years ago).
>
>Ehlers will be difficult to replace, but if they do go ahead with a
>recast, who would be on YOUR wishlist?
Just waiting. I can't think past just waiting. Later they can recast if they
still need to.
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<MPG.22bf3c614...@news.motzarella.org> Cory
<my_whe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Allow me to play Devil's Advocate... AFAIK, Ehlers' only role in daytime
>television has been Harley. What if we find out, because of the AMC
>role, that Ehlers is a one trick pony (I SERIOUSLY doubt she is, FTR),
>and can't play any other role but Harley convincingly??
You never saw her in THE HUNGER or any of her many guest shots?!! Of course
she's not a one trick pony. She's been working since she was a child.
If Ehlers doesn't succeed at AMC, it will be a reflection on AMC.
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MarkH
I think Marceline means it in the sense that one is boxed into these
legacy characters, legacy families, legacy histories.
Of course, that can be an asset!
But, when you have vitriolic fan bases that resist EVERY little change,
it can be destructive.
A case in point is a nostalgia in which I participated. On Y&R, they
stopped doing a lingering shots of flower bouquets. Silly thing, but as
the show drifted more and more away from what it once was, those flowers
became more and more grating. How DARE they eschew a signature Y&R look?
People got angry because something comfortable and familiar had been
taken away.
You can see how these things can go too far. If fans resist every
recast, every writing off of a character, every growth in personality....
I see marceline's point.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<MPG.22bf509c9...@news.motzarella.org> Cory
<my_whe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I will admit, though, after thinking about it a bit, that the way TPTB
>wrote Cady's Rosanna was VASTLY different than the way they wrote for
>YP's Rosanna. IOW, I didn't like ROSANNA too much after Cady took over,
>either.
>
>Still, I stand by what I said. If Cady had to do YP's Rosanna, I don't
>think she would have been able to portray her as well as YP did.
I always personally liked Yvonne Perry, but, honestly, there are so many more
proficient actresses that could have done justice to anyone's version of
Rosanna. Now, whether YP would have become that accomplished, we'll never
know.
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MarkH
>
> Well, if so, that freaks me out even more! That sounds just like Fronsie's
> ineffective stunt promoting.
>
> Who said what where?
>
Sounds like you're asking for a MarkH (TM??...nah) source!
I wish we could all source, for attribution, when we hear this stuff.
But, yes, a big announcement at the Emmys seems consistent with my
understanding of the ABC promotional machine.
With our luck, she'll be playing Dixie back from the dead :-)...even as
Cady just left....(that's a silly faux-speculation...I know that won't
happen)
DonnaB shallotpeel
<a9211524-3b68-4c81...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Rthrquiet
<rthr...@aol.com> wrote:
>Oh, I have no doubt of that; what concerns me, and what I think
>concerns Donna, is whether All My Children is going to turn out to be
>an improvement in terms of work environment, for both Beth Ehlers and
>RPG, or whether they've gone from what was clearly, to them, an
>unsatisfactory situation at GL to something even worse. That would be
>really upsetting for all concerned--just a loss all the way around.
From the frying pan directly into the fire. Er. In a way, at least. Thanks for
understanding aka comprehending.
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virgini...@gmail.com
wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:07:21 -0700 (PDT), in
>
> <JosephineK...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 15, 2:29 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >> No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
> >> playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
> >> her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
> >> Liza, which was the original plan.
>
> >Well, that ought to make the big announcement planned for Friday at
> >the Emmys very strange indeed. I have to think they have determined
> >by now who she's going to be and they're just keeping it very top
> >secret so it can be a surprise at the Emmys.
>
> Well, if so, that freaks me out even more! That sounds just like Fronsie's
> ineffective stunt promoting.
>
> Who said what where?
>
> --
>
think Beth's signing will be announced at that time and hopely they
will clue us to the role she will be playing.
I agee about Sparks - she's not the one.
I think the setup for Harley/Cyrus was promising - made sense and had
the potential for strong story. They have lots of chemistry and I
enjoyed them until the story became about sex and Harley as the
homewrecking aunt to the little twit who even this last week said to
Buzz and Frank that she missed Harley but she is still a "man-eating
skank box." Wow - where did the writers come up with that one?? They
made some wrong turns that caused a lot of grief for both Harley and
Cyrus. And they continue to do so.
va
DonnaB shallotpeel
<dc91c4b2-3417-4a29...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> JosieK
<Joseph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Is it that hard to fathom that maybe Beth just wants to do something
>different now? She's being doing this same role for 20+ years and
>maybe she wants a change.
Doesn't sound like Beth, so, yeah, in that sense, it's a bit hard to fathom.
> And she's not dumb - I'm sure she saw the
>writing on the wall and realized that with its plummeting ratings and
>draconian budget cuts, GL is no longer in any position to offer her
>long term stability.
Plummeting ratings? No, that doesn't represent GL. Draconian budget cuts?
They've been gradual for years & the ABC soaps have been right behind the P&G
soaps in cuts & now the Bell soaps are feeling them.
>Why not take a chance now?
Why not do it before when she possibly could have maneuvered herself into
something plum? Or, why not go with loyalty & keep getting all she could of
being the real person that was at GL's heart & core?
>She probably would
>have been job hunting soon enough anyway.
No moreso or less so than any other actor. She could be looking sooner after
AMC than if she'd stuck it out with GL.
>AMC may not turn out to be a nirvana and it is certainly not without
>problems but they seem to being doing something right while GL seems
>to be doing everything wrong.
Respectfully I would totally disagree. They haven't even begun to recover from
years of McTrash & then they had a year of B&E. Oh, lord. Either AMC or ATWT
was the worst written soap in daytime last year! And, AMC didn't even have the
redemption of Luke & Noah.
>And even if the working environment at
>AMC doesn't turn out to be a bed of roses, Beth might enjoy once again
>performing full-sized scripts in a climate controlled studio on
>professional looking, properly lit sets.
Are you kidding me? Do you watch AMC? I do. I watched their first shaky cam
show & watch the incredibly ugly 'FilmLook'. And, no, it certainly does not
look well lit.
>She might be thrilled that
>she no longer has to schlep out to Peapack, New Jersey to deliver her
>lines in an empty field or by the side of the road.
As far as some implication that Ehlers would leave over playing outside &
inside in NJ, I simply don't believe it.
>Sorry, I just can't see leaving GL for another soap as a bad thing.
Nobody's asking you to.
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JosieK
wrote:
> <JosephineK...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 15, 2:29 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >> No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will be
> >> playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't given
> >> her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to play
> >> Liza, which was the original plan.
>
> >Well, that ought to make the big announcement planned for Friday at
> >the Emmys very strange indeed. I have to think they have determined
> >by now who she's going to be and they're just keeping it very top
> >secret so it can be a surprise at the Emmys.
>
> Well, if so, that freaks me out even more! That sounds just like Fronsie's
> ineffective stunt promoting.
>
> Who said what where?
>
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Well, RPG mentioned it in his most recent blog, for one. And Soap
Opera Weekly (6/23 issue, page 2) came right out and said that AMC
newcomers RPG and BE will also be a part of the broadcast. Sounds
like an announcement to me.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<4d7fff3d-a1a0-452c...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> MarkH
<MarkH_s...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Other interesting tidbits: The essayist tries to claim that Dickens'
>"Pickwick Papers" (serialized stories) were the first "serials", and
>that comics/comic strips predated radio dramas as the serial form.
Just FYI, but many people consider DICKENS to have begun serials. Others
consider the novel PAMELA. And, I forget the third one. You get into a serious
discussion of this where my partner & I are present with others, and
simultaneously I say PAMELA, my partner says the one I can't think of, and
someone else says DICKENS. <G>
>I love love love this book :-). Every picture is beautiful and perfect
>(not grainy/dark)...and best of all, it was $1.99 used at Amazon.com!
Mine cost more but then I've had it since it was new. <G>
Does she mean by that a refusal to consider change? Does she mean by that, as
I often have said, that we have to judge today's medium in their own
timeframes?
>Is GL dying, or is it evolving? Can a patient audience and a new
>audience let it become whatever it next will be?
And, don't forget that when Jerry ver Dorn got his first contract, NO ONE in
daytime had a contract. Everyone worked 13 weeks, 13 weeks, 13 weeks, etc. If
their show was even picked up at 13 weeks, then they - as a group - thought
about whether any of them wouldn't be there for the next 13 weeks. It was
UNHEARD of to get a contract.
And, Mary Stuart said that when SFT was picked up for its second 13 week
period, they were all shocked & amazed!! Of course, they had to get past
elephants in the hall, too.
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virgini...@gmail.com wrote:
>You have brought up so many good points, and GL might survive IF P&G
>and CBS give it time to get the writing back on track. Had the
>writing been compelling, if the plots had been character-driven, I
>think GL would have survived these production changes until they could
>get them refined. But the writing took a back seat to the change in
>production techniques, and scripts were half the size they had been
>according to one of the actors.
Were they speaking of while the show was on strike?
My understanding is that the pages of script have been able to be reduced
because of the efficiency of the production model, but that if you combine the
NJ shooting with the NY shooting & allow for more of the show being created
through intensive editing that, basically, it is the same size show.
That given, I understand that the actors have to get used to new ways of doing
things. And, that is uncomfortable.
>We didn't need to be told that - many
>shows turned into long videos with lots of music (bad music for the
>most part IMO), characters moving around, ducks in the pond etc. but
>very little dialogue. It appears to me that perhaps they are
>correcting that, but it bothers me that the show thought it was a good
>idea to turn GL into an old MTV video to begin with.
An old MTV video? I was a big fan of MTV when it first came on, which is
surely when their videos were old, LOL, and, no, they were nothing like GL.
Instead what's happened is they have experimented with levels, yes. That's
obvious to all of us, and, frankly, I salute them for doing so. And. besides
their levels of light, volume, long shots, close shots, beauty shots, all of
which I still enjoy, they were adding a soundtrack to the show. Me, I love it.
And, in a way they were doing that, gradually, for 2 years before they
changeover. Some of the best quality shows have music, a musical underbed by
themes, songs, etc. where the music is essentially a character. I say Brava.
And, what music did you find to be bad music? Obviously they had to figure out
how much to use, and not use, how loud to use it, and not use it. Music used
to be a character in soaps. Today music is a character in primetime shows & in
movies.
Remember they ran the new opening, which I still love, first on Feb. 29th.
That's March, April, May & half of June. They've been making changes &
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>
> Just FYI, but many people consider DICKENS to have begun serials. Others
> consider the novel PAMELA. And, I forget the third one. You get into a serious
> discussion of this where my partner & I are present with others, and
> simultaneously I say PAMELA, my partner says the one I can't think of, and
> someone else says DICKENS. <G>
Well, I'm not learned enough to know :-). I haven't read the arguments
for PAMELA or the other one :-).
Earlier I wrote:
>> On another board, "marceline" has said that "nostalgia" is the REAL
>> soap killer. We hang on relentlessly to the way it was...and that
>> stunts evolution and adaptation.
and Donna asked:
> Does she mean by that a refusal to consider change? Does she mean by that, as
> I often have said, that we have to judge today's medium in their own
> timeframes?
I think both, but mostly resistance to change.
>
> And, don't forget that when Jerry ver Dorn got his first contract, NO ONE in
> daytime had a contract. Everyone worked 13 weeks, 13 weeks, 13 weeks, etc. If
> their show was even picked up at 13 weeks, then they - as a group - thought
> about whether any of them wouldn't be there for the next 13 weeks. It was
> UNHEARD of to get a contract.
That is VERY interesting to me. When did the actor contracts begin,
roughly?
DonnaB shallotpeel
<4cde26ca-0861-4df2...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
virgini...@gmail.com wrote:
>On Jun 16, 7:30 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>> Who said what where?
>>
>SPW says that Ricky and Beth will be part of the broadcast,
I got that, but what issue, or where on the website, etc.? And, is this just
that they are in the endless list of SOOOO many ABC actors who will be
involved? That's why I'm trying to find out about what you two are referring
to. And, thanks. I frakin could not believe how few CBS actors are involved
compared to how many ABC ones are! In the past they used to be pretty even
handed with this stuff, because they knew it was going around between them.
> and I
>think Beth's signing will be announced at that time
You mean officially announced? But, that is already known.
> and hopely they
>will clue us to the role she will be playing.
>
>I agee about Sparks - she's not the one.
>
>I think the setup for Harley/Cyrus was promising - made sense and had
>the potential for strong story. They have lots of chemistry and I
>enjoyed them until the story became about sex and Harley as the
>homewrecking aunt to the little twit who even this last week said to
>Buzz and Frank that she missed Harley but she is still a "man-eating
>skank box." Wow - where did the writers come up with that one?? They
>made some wrong turns that caused a lot of grief for both Harley and
>Cyrus. And they continue to do so.
What's wrong with their having sex? LOL
See, to me the negative just shines on Marina. And, the show gets it from
realistic dialogue. But, I don't think Marina has noticed that everyone else
has made moves away from that angry place where she still is - alone.
Tell me, would you be in favor of Ehlers moving to AMC if RPG had not moved
there?
I mean the track record for these things to strike twice in daytime with the
same actors but different characters on different shows is abysmal. I think
they've all been failures!
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JosieK
wrote:
>
> <JosephineK...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Is it that hard to fathom that maybe Beth just wants to do something
> >different now? She's being doing this same role for 20+ years and
> >maybe she wants a change.
>
> Doesn't sound like Beth, so, yeah, in that sense, it's a bit hard to fathom.
She left GL for a reason. Wanting a change can't be a part of that
reason? Wow.
> > And she's not dumb - I'm sure she saw the
> >writing on the wall and realized that with its plummeting ratings and
> >draconian budget cuts, GL is no longer in any position to offer her
> >long term stability.
>
> Plummeting ratings? No, that doesn't represent GL. Draconian budget cuts?
> They've been gradual for years & the ABC soaps have been right behind the P&G
> soaps in cuts & now the Bell soaps are feeling them.
GL's ratings have been continually hitting record lows. Sounds
plummeting to me. And apparently this fancy new production model is
way over budget. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear news of more belt
tightening.
> >Why not take a chance now?
>
> Why not do it before when she possibly could have maneuvered herself into
> something plum? Or, why not go with loyalty & keep getting all she could of
> being the real person that was at GL's heart & core?
Happy at GL before, not happy now, wants to do something different?
Not that hard a concept to grasp.
> >She probably would
> >have been job hunting soon enough anyway.
>
> No moreso or less so than any other actor. She could be looking sooner after
> AMC than if she'd stuck it out with GL.
Or she could be at AMC long after Ellen Wheeler finally drives GL off
the cliff once and for all.
> >AMC may not turn out to be a nirvana and it is certainly not without
> >problems but they seem to being doing something right while GL seems
> >to be doing everything wrong.
>
> Respectfully I would totally disagree. They haven't even begun to recover from
> years of McTrash & then they had a year of B&E. Oh, lord. Either AMC or ATWT
> was the worst written soap in daytime last year! And, AMC didn't even have the
> redemption of Luke & Noah.
I'm so not shocked that you would disagree. I haven't watched ATWT in
years. And I haven't watched AMC until recently, so I don't have your
years of expertise in this, but so what? From what I've seen of AMC,
I like it so far. Is it perfect? No. Could Kendall and Greenlee be
anymore annoying? Probably not. But, it's watchable. And after over
30 years of watching GL, I can no longer say that about that show.
Ellen Wheeler and David Kreizman have turned GL into a show I no
longer recognize and can no longer watch. I don't say that lightly.
I find Guiding Light unwatchable.
> >And even if the working environment at
> >AMC doesn't turn out to be a bed of roses, Beth might enjoy once again
> >performing full-sized scripts in a climate controlled studio on
> >professional looking, properly lit sets.
>
> Are you kidding me? Do you watch AMC? I do. I watched their first shaky cam
> show & watch the incredibly ugly 'FilmLook'. And, no, it certainly does not
> look well lit.
No, I'm not kidding you. I am watching AMC. It looks great. The
hospital looks like a hospital. The bars looks like bars. Houses
have space and room to walk around in. Offices look like offices.
And the sets aren't lit like dungeons.
> >She might be thrilled that
> >she no longer has to schlep out to Peapack, New Jersey to deliver her
> >lines in an empty field or by the side of the road.
>
> As far as some implication that Ehlers would leave over playing outside &
> inside in NJ, I simply don't believe it.
Cool.
> >Sorry, I just can't see leaving GL for another soap as a bad thing.
>
> Nobody's asking you to.
Gee, thanks.
Whatever, it's done. Beth is at AMC now. GL's loss, their gain.
> --
> : ^> DonnaB
DonnaB shallotpeel
<b8754260-090f-4cec...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> JosieK
<Joseph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Well, RPG mentioned it in his most recent blog, for one. And Soap
>Opera Weekly (6/23 issue, page 2) came right out and said that AMC
>newcomers RPG and BE will also be a part of the broadcast. Sounds
>like an announcement to me.
Thanks, I thought I had seen them listed on that enormous list of ABC
performers who will be involved. I wasn't surprised & I didn't read anything
at all into it. From what you initially said I didn't get that it was surmise
on your part. Got it now.
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puuuuuke. I really don't like Marina or Natalia and don't care at all about
Rafe. I liked Cyley, but they were no GusH. I just had a feeling for many,
many months that Beth was going to leave.
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MarkH
Patch and Kayla from DOOL become Stefan and Katherine on GH. Wasn't
that a big success? LOL?
But now they are trying to replicate this with Jason Cook and Kristen
Storms.
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> June 16: The July 1 isue of Soap Opera Digest reports that Ehlers
> will
> play soldier Taylor McBride on "AMC," a new character. Taylor comes to
> town with a purpose and upon waiting for her next tour of duty will
> become side-tracked. Ehlers will begin taping this month and her first
> air-date will be Tuesday, August 5.
MsLiz
wrote:
>I know I'm just one person, but I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER bought Cady's
>portrayal of Rosanna. YP *is* Rosanna to me... ALWAYS. No one else
>will ever be able to do the character justice, I believe.
>
>--- Cory
Weren't there two particular reasons why you preferred Yvonne Perry?
; ) 3
MsLiz
MsLiz
wrote:
>In article <h70b54hadqrsct6vc...@4ax.com>,
>kol...@alternate.reality says...
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:18:18 -0500, Cory <my_whe...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <48555815....@news.charter.net>, Ms...@msliz.com
>> >says...
>> >> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:36:47 -0700 (PDT), Rthrquiet
>> >> <rthr...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Jun 15, 12:06=A0pm, Pidge <pi...@antispam.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:41:13 -0400, cmsquar...@webtv.net (CM 2) wrote:
>> >> >> >"Ehlers will be difficult to replace, but if they do go ahead with a
>> >> >> >recast, who would be on YOUR wishlist?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >No one. =A0Once she's gone, I won't be watching anyway.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Candy
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think she's pretty much irreplaceable. =A0 They'll try but I think it wi=
>> >> >ll fail.
>> >> >> They'll get it wrong.
>> >> >
>> >> >Especially since they'll probably try to do it on the cheap, if they
>> >> >do it at all.
>> >> >
>> >> >Cady McClain is an interesting idea. I don't know how she feels about
>> >> >Procter & Gamble these days. She'd certainly be considered a casting
>> >> >coup, and she'd at least have a *prayer* of succeeding.
>> >> >
>> >> >But I agree that Ehlers is pretty much irreplaceable.
>> >> >
>> >> >Michael
>> >>
>> >> I love Cady McClain and would be interested in seeing her take on the
>> >> role. We've seen her as rich and refined (Rosanna),
>> >
>> >I know I'm just one person, but I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER bought Cady's
>> >portrayal of Rosanna. YP *is* Rosanna to me... ALWAYS. No one else
>> >will ever be able to do the character justice, I believe.
>> >
>> >--- Cory
>>
>> I've always felt that, as well.
>>
>> Kolbard
>
>I will admit, though, after thinking about it a bit, that the way TPTB
>wrote Cady's Rosanna was VASTLY different than the way they wrote for
>YP's Rosanna. IOW, I didn't like ROSANNA too much after Cady took over,
>either.
>
>Still, I stand by what I said. If Cady had to do YP's Rosanna, I don't
>think she would have been able to portray her as well as YP did.
>
Yvonne had Rosanna when Rosanna was running away from Alexander Cabot
and his money. She mucked out stalls and fell in love with a
mechanic. When Alexander Cabot died, she met Carly, a previously
unknown half-sibling and naively trusted her.
After Rosanna learned that Carly was pregnant with Mike's baby and
cancelled her wedding to Mike, she ran away and returned as a Rosanna
with too much money and a gambling problem. I did not like her very
much, and thought her character had been ruined.
Rosnna changed the terms of her deal with Carly to give her a deadline
to have a baby by someone other than Mike to get $50 million in trust
for the child (does Parker know about this money yet?).
Cady's Rosanna is more knowledgeable and and sophisticated than
Yvonee, which could have happenned as a consequence of inheriting her
father's entire estate. Much as I missed Yvonne, I like Cady in any
role, and thought she played Rosanna as well as anyone could, despite
some stupid writing. (Paul, Craig, Paul, Craig, Paul, etc.)
MsLiz
DonnaB shallotpeel
MarkH <MarkH_s...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
>>
>> I mean the track record for these things to strike twice in daytime with the
>> same actors but different characters on different shows is abysmal. I think
>> they've all been failures!
>
>Patch and Kayla from DOOL become Stefan and Katherine on GH. Wasn't
>that a big success? LOL?
You're being facetious because of what an unmitigated disaster it was, right?
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DonnaB shallotpeel
<da1f864d-5418-4f92...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com> JosieK
<Joseph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 16, 9:03 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>>
>> <JosephineK...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Is it that hard to fathom that maybe Beth just wants to do something
>> >different now? She's being doing this same role for 20+ years and
>> >maybe she wants a change.
>>
>> Doesn't sound like Beth, so, yeah, in that sense, it's a bit hard to fathom.
>
>She left GL for a reason. Wanting a change can't be a part of that
>reason? Wow.
You think Beth Ehlers would leave the secure place she has at GL for change
for the sake of change? Yeah, totally wow.
>> Plummeting ratings? No, that doesn't represent GL. Draconian budget cuts?
>> They've been gradual for years & the ABC soaps have been right behind the P&G
>> soaps in cuts & now the Bell soaps are feeling them.
>
>GL's ratings have been continually hitting record lows. Sounds
>plummeting to me. And apparently this fancy new production model is
>way over budget. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear news of more belt
>tightening.
Fancy? Uh, no, cutting edge, yeah, more efficient, yeah, but not fancy & not
intended to be fancy.
If you read Mark's post in this thread or if you follow soap ratings, then,
you know that GL's ratings are far from plummeting.
And, I haven't heard any reliable info about the budget currently being way
over budget. It would be ironic since Conboy left Wheeler with budgets in the
red, but, way over budget, I don't believe & you want to believe it. That's
okay with me.
>> >Why not take a chance now?
>>
>> Why not do it before when she possibly could have maneuvered herself into
>> something plum? Or, why not go with loyalty & keep getting all she could of
>> being the real person that was at GL's heart & core?
>
>Happy at GL before, not happy now, wants to do something different?
>Not that hard a concept to grasp.
Wait, we've moved from the realms of discussion & you now KNOW why Ehlers
left? If so, cough it up, with some context, knowing that actors are actors &
what they say one day is different than what they say another day.
The last I knew what she wanted in her heart of hearts was to play out Harley
& Gus's Reunion in 2008.
>> >She probably would
>> >have been job hunting soon enough anyway.
>>
>> No moreso or less so than any other actor. She could be looking sooner after
>> AMC than if she'd stuck it out with GL.
>
>Or she could be at AMC long after Ellen Wheeler finally drives GL off
>the cliff once and for all.
If not for Ellen Wheeler GL would've been cancelled already. If the grand dame
goes out on her watch she can be proud of what she took from Rauch/then Conboy
and the writers Rauch liked followed by, OY, Weston, ... and Ellen can again
hold her head high as she has with every job she's ever had on any of the 4
soaps she's worked on.
>> >AMC may not turn out to be a nirvana and it is certainly not without
>> >problems but they seem to being doing something right while GL seems
>> >to be doing everything wrong.
>>
>> Respectfully I would totally disagree. They haven't even begun to recover from
>> years of McTrash & then they had a year of B&E. Oh, lord. Either AMC or ATWT
>> was the worst written soap in daytime last year! And, AMC didn't even have the
>> redemption of Luke & Noah.
>
>I'm so not shocked that you would disagree.
Cool.
>> >And even if the working environment at
>> >AMC doesn't turn out to be a bed of roses, Beth might enjoy once again
>> >performing full-sized scripts in a climate controlled studio on
>> >professional looking, properly lit sets.
>>
>> Are you kidding me? Do you watch AMC? I do. I watched their first shaky cam
>> show & watch the incredibly ugly 'FilmLook'. And, no, it certainly does not
>> look well lit.
>
>No, I'm not kidding you. I am watching AMC. It looks great. The
>hospital looks like a hospital. The bars looks like bars. Houses
>have space and room to walk around in. Offices look like offices.
>And the sets aren't lit like dungeons.
I've already begun to grieve the fact what I will never again be able to
capture a clip or still with Beth looking clear, due to the always dreaded ABC
lighting & the FILMLOOK they've been stuck with for about 3 years with every
sign they will continue to be stuck with because Fronsie likes it. Veteran
fans hate it.
>> >She might be thrilled that
>> >she no longer has to schlep out to Peapack, New Jersey to deliver her
>> >lines in an empty field or by the side of the road.
>>
>> As far as some implication that Ehlers would leave over playing outside &
>> inside in NJ, I simply don't believe it.
>
>Cool.
Yep. You betcha.
>> >Sorry, I just can't see leaving GL for another soap as a bad thing.
>>
>> Nobody's asking you to.
>
>Gee, thanks.
No problem.
>Whatever, it's done. Beth is at AMC now.
Well, she hasn't actually begun to work there yet as far as we know.
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>On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:18:18 -0500, Cory <my_whe...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I know I'm just one person, but I NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER bought Cady's
>>portrayal of Rosanna. YP *is* Rosanna to me... ALWAYS. No one else
>>will ever be able to do the character justice, I believe.
>
>Weren't there two particular reasons why you preferred Yvonne Perry?
Are you kidding? If we compare Yvonne's ledge with Cady's puppies, my oh my,
Cady wins!
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MsLiz
<rthr...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 16, 12:30=A0pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:47:54 -0700 (PDT), in
>> <665d7b81-fc7c-42ac-ab4b-e2e5bf25c...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>
>>
>> virginia.ca...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >I agree. =A0The writing for Harley has been detrimental to the character
>> >as has the writing for most of the characters over the last year or
>> >two.
>>
>> I completely disagree.
>>
>
>That surprises me, Donna. On the whole, I find GL to be pretty well
>written, though the storylines have big problems of the same sort that
>ATWT's storylines have. But the character of Harley, specifically, was
>woefully damaged, in my opinion, by this latest involvement with
>Cyrus.
>
>Michael
I hated the day when Harley went out of a family gathering to get
something out of the car, and ended up in the back seat half naked
with Cyrus.
MsLiz
KC
>
>Rosnna changed the terms of her deal with Carly to give her a deadline
>to have a baby by someone other than Mike to get $50 million in trust
>for the child (does Parker know about this money yet?).
No, but, to me, there's no need for him to know. Carly has proven that
loves Parker and that she loves kids. She doesn't treat JJ any
differently because he's not hers.
When Carly got pregnant with Nora, she freaked out, but finally
realized that she wanted Nora and loved her and was devastated at her
loss. I think Carly initially thought she didn't want kids and didn't
think she could be a parent, but Nora changed that. When she was faced
with the possibility to have a baby by a certain date and get $50
million, it just gave her permission to have the baby she wanted
anyway. If I could collect $50 million for doing something I wanted to
do anyway, just by a certain date, you bet I would.
Plenty of Carly's actions have shown poor judgment, especially many
surrounding her attempts to keep that money, but I fault Rosanna more
for putting a timeline on having a baby than on Carly for getting
pregnant.
KC
Kolbard
<rthr...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 16, 10:46 am, MarkH <MarkH_slipr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On another board, "marceline" has said that "nostalgia" is the REAL
>> soap killer. We hang on relentlessly to the way it was...and that
>> stunts evolution and adaptation.
>
>What nostalgia is it that's killing soaps? Nostalgia for the days of
>quality storytelling? Nostalgia for the days of character consistency?
>Nostalgia for the days when the creative personnel were valued?
>Nostalgia for the days when the actors who were hired could . . . act?
>Nostalgia for the days when the entire audience was important, not
>just a slice of it?
>
>Oh yeah, all of those nostalgias, they're what is killing soaps, they
>absolutely are, no question about it.
>
>Michael
That's not the point. A show like Days, for example, grasps onto the
past so tightly that it constricts it. It constantly reminisces about
the past, usually attempting to draw a parallel between the original
story and the new one. Instead of creating modern classics, they try
to rehash the old ones. The highlight of an episode is usually a
flashback from 20+ years ago.
I watched an old Days episode not too long ago, and it was like a
friggin' '80s action movie. They had a ROCK soundtrack, and actual
suspense. It seemed more modern than the modern Days. And of course
it looked nothing like a '60s or '70s episode.
Kolbard
chicagofan
I can't wait to see Beth again, but I dread the "backlash" on RATSA, if
she and RPG start getting as much airtime as the AMC regulars. I don't
know if it is the same in other ABC forums, but RATSA fans are tough on
newcomers.
bj
chicagofan
> On Jun 15, 6:11 pm, virginia.ca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I think Beth will do just fine.
>>
>
> Oh, I have no doubt of that; what concerns me, and what I think
> concerns Donna, is whether All My Children is going to turn out to be
> an improvement in terms of work environment, for both Beth Ehlers and
> RPG, or whether they've gone from what was clearly, to them, an
> unsatisfactory situation at GL to something even worse. That would be
> really upsetting for all concerned--just a loss all the way around.
>
>
I have the same reservations about ABC/AMC being a good fit for BE. I
hope I'm wrong and it will work out, and she will be happy there. With
new writers, maybe we [who have been watching AMC too] will all be
surprised.
bj
chicagofan
> Remember they ran the new opening, which I still love, first on Feb. 29th.
> That's March, April, May & half of June. They've been making changes &
> tweaking all along.
>
>
of the storylines, but I'm definitely not as unhappy as some people are
with the show. I just wanted to say, even if the show should decline
rather than improve, as long as it is on... I will be watching to see
the INTRO. I LOVE THE OPENINGS!!! :)
I think whoever is responsible for the photography in those openings
should get an AWARD. Love the theme song too.
bj
Aisling Willow Grey
<HuQ5k.68$9b3...@newsfe07.lga>):
> MarkH wrote:
>> From
>>
>> http://www.soapoperanetwork.com/soaps/amc/news/1-article/350-amc-ehlersvasip
I would say instead that we are _fair_ on newcomers. If someone is a lousy
actor, we're not going to hold our tongues because they're a newcomer. As
I've long said, ABCD shouldn't be hiring student actors and hope they make
the learning curve. Just because they repeatedly and consistently do so
(hire unprepared actors who need to train on the job), doesn't mean we have
to take it without comment!
And to dispel what you said, I think that if you search the last few weeks of
posts, you'll find that people are having a largely positive reaction to
Ricky Paull Goldin. It's Jake we don't like. :-)
Aisling
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again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George
W. Bush, May 24, 2005
DonnaB shallotpeel
<0001HW.C47D6948...@news.verizon.net> Aisling Willow Grey
<ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:11:32 -0400, thus spake chicagofan (in article
><HuQ5k.68$9b3...@newsfe07.lga>):
>
>>>
>>>
>> I can't wait to see Beth again, but I dread the "backlash" on RATSA, if
>> she and RPG start getting as much airtime as the AMC regulars. I don't
>> know if it is the same in other ABC forums, but RATSA fans are tough on
>> newcomers. <<
They've had plenty of reason.
>I would say instead that we are _fair_ on newcomers. If someone is a lousy
>actor, we're not going to hold our tongues because they're a newcomer. As
>I've long said, ABCD shouldn't be hiring student actors and hope they make
>the learning curve. Just because they repeatedly and consistently do so
>(hire unprepared actors who need to train on the job), doesn't mean we have
>to take it without comment!
In all fairness, all soaps have always hired actors who needed OJT!! Some of
them shine. Most of them sink like stones - all over soapdom.
>And to dispel what you said, I think that if you search the last few weeks of
>posts, you'll find that people are having a largely positive reaction to
>Ricky Paull Goldin. It's Jake we don't like. :-)
That doesn't really speak to what may or may not happen to/with Ehlers or does
with many newcomers. For one thing veteran fans of shows don't want to see
veteran actors & characters dumped to make room for newbies. And, that's not
just about AMC; that's all soaps.
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MarkH
wrote:
>
> You're being facetious because of what an unmitigated disaster it was, right?
>
Yes. Now I actually thought Nicholls' Stefan was okay in places...and
Evans' Katherine too. But I guess the two of them never caught fire.
chicagofan
Of course not! All soap fans kvetch about newcomers, and perhaps I
should have phrased my comment better, but I *really* like Beth Ehlers,
and I don't want TPTB to force feed her on AMC fans, and create the
enduring hatred that happened with "Babe". That is my fear... how they
handle it.
> And to dispel what you said, I think that if you search the last few weeks of
> posts, you'll find that people are having a largely positive reaction to
> Ricky Paull Goldin. It's Jake we don't like. :-)
>
> Aisling
>
So far, I'm not liking RPG as Jake... hope that will change, as I forget
about his great former role on CBS. :)
bj
franci...@hotmail.com
> Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:11:32 -0400, thus spake chicagofan (in article
>
> > <HuQ5k.68$9b3...@newsfe07.lga>):
>
> >> MarkH wrote:
>
> >>> From
>
I love this guy who's playing Jake! I sit there and really think of
him as Jake. Immediately!
It's that blond sink of dishwater that I still look at and try to
place. What's her character name? Oh, that's right. Babe.
Francine "Ricky Paull Goldin! Love him!" Goldberg
Phyllis Stone
"chicagofan" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>>> I
>>
!
>>
>
> Of course not! All soap fans kvetch about newcomers, and perhaps I should
> have phrased my comment better, but I *really* like Beth Ehlers, and I
> don't want TPTB to force feed her on AMC fans, and create the enduring
> hatred that happened with "Babe". That is my fear... how they handle it.
>
>
> So far, I'm not liking RPG as Jake... hope that will change, as I forget
> about his great former role on CBS. :)
> bj
When GL Cassie went to GH there were some pretty bad comments. One person
fixated on her mouth (?) and couldn't stand to look at her. And when the
first Carly came to ATWT some people couldn't stand her small eyes (?). I
was fine with both actresses but there was a guy who was wonderful on GL and
moved over to ATWT and he just wasn't as good. He was a bad boy and I think
his character's name was David. I don't remember who he was on ATWT but it
was a disappointment.
chicagofan
LOL!!! Touche', Francine!
bj
SFJason
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah but NuBabe is freakin' Meryl Streep compared to that nuColby.
Wow is she a stunningly bad actress. They have been ripping on her
hilariously on the Pine Valley Podcast. If you haven't been
listening, please check it out. The Podcast is hilarious and they
really know and love the show so they really think about their
opinions.
SFJason
Fred/Libby Barclay
from TVGuide......
LOGAN RIFF
"I can't believe it's been almost 21 years since Beth Ehlers hit CBS'
Guiding Light as Harley Cooper. It's even harder to believe she's
leaving. The actress, unhappy with the new direction of the show, will
play her final scenes June 23, then join ABC's All My Children in
August. The loss to GL will be staggering, for Ehlers is an actress of
the people-so honest and relatable and real that we feel she's one of
us. How on earth could CBS let this great star go?"
Libby
MarkH
Thank you for posting this.
If Logan is right, then this seems to be at odds with what DonnaB has
been saying.
It would seem to say that Ehlers is looking for something new
CREATIVELY, and this caused her to eschew her relative stability at
GL.
Who knows....I think it could be interesting, but so many of these
movements to other shows and attempts to recapture big romances on new
shows have gone down in flames.
Didn't Alice and Steve from AW go to OLTL (as Pat and and Tony?)...and
flame out? Wasn't that the first attempt? It is amazing how much
these big successess are really due to specific actors on specific
shows in specific roles written/produced by specific teams. As soon
as you mess with any one ingredient the whole thing flames out.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<2c355179-d512-4fe3...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> MarkH
<MarkH_s...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Jun 17, 4:21 pm, fre...@webtv.net (Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote:
>> from TVGuide......
>>
>> LOGAN RIFF
>>
>> "I can't believe it's been almost 21 years since Beth Ehlers hit CBS'
>> Guiding Light as Harley Cooper. It's even harder to believe she's
>> leaving. The actress, unhappy with the new direction of the show, will
>> play her final scenes June 23, then join ABC's All My Children in
>> August. The loss to GL will be staggering, for Ehlers is an actress of
>> the people-so honest and relatable and real that we feel she's one of
>> us. How on earth could CBS let this great star go?"
>
>Thank you for posting this.
Yes, thank you for typing this up, Libby.
>If Logan is right, then this seems to be at odds with what DonnaB has
>been saying.
LOL, no, it just means that the official reason is very likely different than
any of the other things we're talking about. But, if you'll note I have been
saying more than one thing about the actors being uncomfortable about getting
used to the new production model. They are. They have been. This is known.
And, that really has nothing to do with what I began talking about in the
first place. Of course, Beth has the right to decide anything she wants to,
and some of us have the right to worry about those results, as well. Maybe I
should have gotten that back on track but I felt like shit & was upset, so,
sue me. <G> I just let it play out. And, I left it without even noting that
actors rarely know what it is like at another show, or another network.
And, hey, don't think everything I'm discussing is *just* me or even original
to me.
But, I will note that what Beth had to say upon leaving was classy (not what's
here, BTW). It could be a primer on what to say if you must leave! And, some
actors need to learn that lesson. Beth is something special. (aka the official
reason should be different than discussions involving tactics, RPG's calls,
the grief of not being able to play a Gus & Harley reunion, which died with
RPG's NO, etc.) And, that Beth is something special is something many of us
agree on.
And, of course, this has NOTHING to do with my original point, which is that
I'm concerned about Beth's future, beginning at AMC as the namesake of Lisa
Rinna on MELROSE PLACE.
But, yeah, AW to OLTL - which was traditionally the 2 p.m. timeslot, may have
been the first couple transplant that was rejected.
But, Logan is his usual dumbkoff when he says in print that he doesn't know
how CBS could let her go.
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<e8a0d25b-c3a9-48d2...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> MarkH
<MarkH_s...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh, I agree with you. Stefan was a success. Veteran fans hated Katherine to
about the 97% mark, though, unfortunately. Stefan had ties as a Cassadine,
with Laura, Nik's his son, and he was on there long before they introduced
Katherine, who had little or no ties. And, they introduced the great love
story in the most misogynistic way! Stefan albeit accidentally shot &
paralyzed Katherine & voila they were in love. HUH?!!
Oh my.
If it weren't GH you'd think someone didn't want it to work!!
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Rthrquiet
> On Jun 17, 4:21 pm, fre...@webtv.net (Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote:
>
> > from TVGuide......
>
> > LOGAN RIFF
>
> > "I can't believe it's been almost 21 years since Beth Ehlers hit CBS'
> > Guiding Light as Harley Cooper. It's even harder to believe she's
> > leaving. The actress, unhappy with the new direction of the show, will
> > play her final scenes June 23, then join ABC's All My Children in
> > August. The loss to GL will be staggering, for Ehlers is an actress of
> > the people-so honest and relatable and real that we feel she's one of
> > us. How on earth could CBS let this great star go?"
>
> > Libby
>
> Thank you for posting this.
>
> If Logan is right, then this seems to be at odds with what DonnaB has
> been saying.
The key words in that sentence are "If Logan is right," which I might
amend to "If Logan is right and is playing it straight with us."
I've found through the years that one has to take what Logan (whom I
like, though perhaps not as much as I once did) says and view it very
critically. He's more than willing to be both misleading and
disingenuous when it suits him.
> It would seem to say that Ehlers is looking for something new
> CREATIVELY, and this caused her to eschew her relative stability at
> GL.
I don't know, Mark. Where are you getting that? What he says is that
she was unhappy with the new direction of the show. That could be
other things than creative dissatisfaction, don't you think?
> Who knows....I think it could be interesting, but so many of these
> movements to other shows and attempts to recapture big romances on new
> shows have gone down in flames.
>
> Didn't Alice and Steve from AW go to OLTL (as Pat and and Tony?)...and
> flame out?
George Reinholt was gone after a year or so (for the same kinds of
acting-out over his dissatisfactions that cost him his job at Another
World). Jacquie Courtney lasted for about a decade, I think, so
although the crossover romance may not have succeeded, Courtney
certainly did. Let's not write it off as a total loss.
>Wasn't that the first attempt?
Certainly not the first daytime stars to jump ship, but possibly the
first attempt to transfer a popular *couple.*
> It is amazing how much
> these big successess are really due to specific actors on specific
> shows in specific roles written/produced by specific teams. As soon
> as you mess with any one ingredient the whole thing flames out.
True, but we could also point to a number of instances in which
somebody who is immensely popular on one show manages to become
equally popular (or more so) on another. Beverlee McKinsey comes to
mind immediately.
If you could tally, I would bet the flame-outs would outnumber the
successes, but there have been enough successes through the years that
I don't think one can blame TPTB for making the attempt. What
surprises me again and again is how little attempt seems to be made to
assess what factors make a crossover successful and use that knowledge
to increase the chances of success.
Michael
Cory
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:22:41 -0500, Cory <my_whe...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <4855786E...@rochester.rr.com>,
> >mbor...@rochester.rr.com says...
> >> Jinx wrote:
> >> > Any more word on a Harley recast?
> >> > I'd read about there being a "wishlist" of established actresses
> >> > compiled by tptb. One of the actresses on the list being Cady McClain
> >> > (Dixie, AMC, Rosanna, ATWT). Ironically I remember Beth Ehlers being
> >> > on a list of actresses a Soap mag once suggested as recasts for
> >> > McClain's Dixie years ago).
> >> >
> >> > Ehlers will be difficult to replace, but if they do go ahead with a
> >> > recast, who would be on YOUR wishlist?
> >>
> >
> >Sorry to disagree, but watching soap operas has taught me otherwise.
> >
> >--- Cory
>
> Michael Zaslow.
>
> MsLiz
And yet, they stupidly, selfishly and foolishly went ahead and replaced
him.
Didn't work, mind you, but they tried to do it anyway.
--- Cory
Cory
Ya know what? I never really found YP all that attractive. She IS
attractive, yes, but she never did trip my trigger very much at all.
I think Jordana Brewster was on ATWT at the same time YP was on, and SHE
was the one (JB, I mean) who had me all hot and bothered.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<7002510c-a080-410b...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> Rthrquiet
<rthr...@aol.com> wrote:
>The key words in that sentence are "If Logan is right," which I might
>amend to "If Logan is right and is playing it straight with us."
>
>I've found through the years that one has to take what Logan (whom I
>like, though perhaps not as much as I once did) says and view it very
>critically. He's more than willing to be both misleading and
>disingenuous when it suits him.
Well, also 'right' is a loaded word in anything like this. Beth could be
unhappy that Gus is dead & that she doesn't get to play out the reunion of Gus
& Harley. That's a creative feeling. <G> (And, also it is more surmise, as was
most of the discussion where I've been labeled as 'not right'. I'm still
wondering if that means I am 'not right' to worry about Beth at AMC. LOL
>George Reinholt was gone after a year or so (for the same kinds of
>acting-out over his dissatisfactions that cost him his job at Another
>World). Jacquie Courtney lasted for about a decade, I think, so
>although the crossover romance may not have succeeded, Courtney
>certainly did. Let's not write it off as a total loss.
I think they are entirely different issues: trying to hit gold again with a
couple and an actor being able to be excellent & popular on more than one
show.
> ... What
>surprises me again and again is how little attempt seems to be made to
>assess what factors make a crossover successful and use that knowledge
>to increase the chances of success.
How would we know?
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Cory
And RATSC fans AREN'T tough on newcomers?!
C'mon, bj... I KNOW you're smarter than that.
Cory
says...
> > have phrased my comment better, but I *really* like Beth Ehlers, and I
> > don't want TPTB to force feed her on AMC fans, and create the enduring
> > hatred that happened with "Babe". That is my fear... how they handle it.
I, personally, understand where you are coming from with this. There
are a lot of times that TPTB will force a new CHARACTER down our throats
and have them in every single stinkin' scene when they first show up on
a show. As a result, fans tire of them VERY quickly, and in a lot of
instances end up hating the character, and then, the actor/actress later
on.
> > So far, I'm not liking RPG as Jake... hope that will change, as I forget
> > about his great former role on CBS. :)
> > bj
>
> When GL Cassie went to GH there were some pretty bad comments. One person
> fixated on her mouth (?)
Laura Wright's got crooked teeth. I've known about 'em for a while now.
One shot with her mouth wide open will reveal it in an instant.
> and couldn't stand to look at her. And when the
> first Carly
AFAIK, there's only been one Carly on ATWT... Maura West. Are you
talking about the first Carly from GH??
> came to ATWT some people couldn't stand her small eyes (?). I
> was fine with both actresses but there was a guy who was wonderful on GL and
> moved over to ATWT and he just wasn't as good. He was a bad boy and I think
> his character's name was David. I don't remember who he was on ATWT but it
> was a disappointment.
Are you talking about Lesli-Kay's husband, who played David/Reid (hence
the moniker "Ravid")?? He's got dark hair. I cannot recall the actor's
name at the moment.
Cory
94cdb6...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, virgini...@gmail.com
says...
> On Jun 16, 7:30=A0pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:07:21 -0700 (PDT), in
> > <8cd43919-1b09-4a88-b9cb-575e25f43...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> JosieK
> >
> > <JosephineK...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Jun 15, 2:29=A0pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >> No, no one knows, because they haven't decide what character she will b=
> e
> > >> playing, they're in the middle of changing HWs & the literally haven't =
> given
> > >> her a report-to-work day. They have decided that she is NOT going to pl=
> ay
> > >> Liza, which was the original plan.
> >
> > >Well, that ought to make the big announcement planned for Friday at
> > >the Emmys very strange indeed. =A0I have to think they have determined
> > >by now who she's going to be and they're just keeping it very top
> > >secret so it can be a surprise at the Emmys.
> >
> > Well, if so, that freaks me out even more! That sounds just like Fronsie's=
>
> > ineffective stunt promoting.
> >
> > Who said what where?
> >
> > --
> >
> SPW says that Ricky and Beth will be part of the broadcast, and I
> think Beth's signing will be announced at that time and hopely they
> will clue us to the role she will be playing.
>
> I agee about Sparks - she's not the one.
For the record (and what feels like the hundredth time, but I know dang
well it's WAY less than that, so I'm NOT picking on ANYONE here), it's
not Sparks anymore. Hayley's divorced and, I'm pretty sure, has gone
back to using her maiden name, Barr.
Hayley did a nice job temporarily filling in for Beth in emergency
situations, but I agree, to an extent, that she just wouldn't completely
"gel" as Harley, on a full-time basis. I don't think Hayley would WANT
the role of Harley on a full-time basis anyway. She's too busy with her
photography biz these days.
--- Cory
> I think the setup for Harley/Cyrus was promising - made sense and had
> the potential for strong story. They have lots of chemistry and I
> enjoyed them until the story became about sex and Harley as the
> homewrecking aunt to the little twit who even this last week said to
> Buzz and Frank that she missed Harley but she is still a "man-eating
> skank box." Wow - where did the writers come up with that one?? They
> made some wrong turns that caused a lot of grief for both Harley and
> Cyrus. And they continue to do so.
>
> va
MarkH
>
> Are you talking about Lesli-Kay's husband, who played David/Reid (hence
> the moniker "Ravid")?? He's got dark hair. I cannot recall the actor's
> name at the moment.
>
> --- Cory
>
Keith Coulouris (sp)
JosieK
> For the record (and what feels like the hundredth time, but I know dang
> well it's WAY less than that, so I'm NOT picking on ANYONE here), it's
> not Sparks anymore. Hayley's divorced and, I'm pretty sure, has gone
> back to using her maiden name, Barr.
>
> --- Cory
Her imdb.com page says Barr but her photography website says Sparks.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0056510/
http://www.hayleysparks.com/
Phyllis Stone
"Cory" <my_whe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22c215378...@news.motzarella.org...
>>>
>> When GL Cassie went to GH there were some pretty bad comments. One
>> person
>> fixated on her mouth (?)
>
> Laura Wright's got crooked teeth. I've known about 'em for a while now.
> One shot with her mouth wide open will reveal it in an instant.
>
>> and couldn't stand to look at her. And when the
>> first Carly
>
> AFAIK, there's only been one Carly on ATWT... Maura West. Are you
> talking about the first Carly from GH??
>
stuff and resurfaced on ATWT as ---can't remember her name, she was involved
with Jack and was JJ's mom.
>> moved over to ATWT and he just wasn't as good. He was a bad boy and I
>> think
>> his character's name was David. I don't remember who he was on ATWT but
>> it
>> was a disappointment.
>
> Are you talking about Lesli-Kay's husband, who played David/Reid (hence
> the moniker "Ravid")?? He's got dark hair. I cannot recall the actor's
> name at the moment.
>
> --- Cory
No, this guy is Afro- American and was involved with Bridget. When he came
to ATWT the part just didn't seem to suit him. I don't know what went wrong
but he didn't stand out at all.
DonnaB shallotpeel
<1wZ5k.14280$co7....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com> "Phyllis Stone" <nob...@msn.com>
wrote:
Nothing spoiler left. Add space if it goes back ...
>> AFAIK, there's only been one Carly on ATWT... Maura West. Are you
>> talking about the first Carly from GH??
>>
>Yes, I believe her last name is Brown. She left GH to do some prime time
>stuff and resurfaced on ATWT as ---can't remember her name, she was involved
>with Jack and was JJ's mom.
Sarah Brown, who is now back on GH as another character. She was Julia
Huckabee (Huckabee?) on ATWT. I've liked her on everything I've ever seen her
on, daytime & primetime.
>>> moved over to ATWT and he just wasn't as good. He was a bad boy and I
>>> think
>>> his character's name was David. I don't remember who he was on ATWT but
>>> it
>>> was a disappointment.
>>
>> Are you talking about Lesli-Kay's husband, who played David/Reid (hence
>> the moniker "Ravid")?? He's got dark hair. I cannot recall the actor's
>> name at the moment.
>
>No, this guy is Afro- American and was involved with Bridget. When he came
>to ATWT the part just didn't seem to suit him. I don't know what went wrong
>but he didn't stand out at all.
Monti Sharp played David Grant #1 on GL with Bridget, with Nia Long playing
Cat, and the diner & boarding house & all that. He was an Emmy winner on GL, I
think.
Then, he was awful on ATWT and SUPER awful on GH as Justus Ward #2 - which was
so weird.
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Phyllis Stone
"Phyllis Stone" <nob...@msn.com> wrote in message
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I have been searching for the name of this actor and it is Monti Sharp from
about 1992.
Cory
says...
Oh! Sarah Brown.
> She left GH to do some prime time stuff and resurfaced on ATWT as
> ---can't remember her name, she was involved with Jack and was JJ's mom.
>
> >> moved over to ATWT and he just wasn't as good. He was a bad boy and I
> >> think his character's name was David. I don't remember who he was on ATWT but
> >> it was a disappointment.
> >
> > Are you talking about Lesli-Kay's husband, who played David/Reid (hence
> > the moniker "Ravid")?? He's got dark hair. I cannot recall the actor's
> > name at the moment.
> >
> > --- Cory
>
>
> No, this guy is Afro- American and was involved with Bridget. When he came
> to ATWT the part just didn't seem to suit him. I don't know what went wrong
> but he didn't stand out at all.
OH!!!! Monti Sharpe, I think, is who you're thinking of.
Cory
shall...@comcast.net says...
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:27:25 -0500, in
> <1wZ5k.14280$co7....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com> "Phyllis Stone" <nob...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Nothing spoiler left. Add space if it goes back ...
>
> >> AFAIK, there's only been one Carly on ATWT... Maura West. Are you
> >> talking about the first Carly from GH??
> >>
> >Yes, I believe her last name is Brown. She left GH to do some prime time
> >stuff and resurfaced on ATWT as ---can't remember her name, she was involved
> >with Jack and was JJ's mom.
>
> Sarah Brown, who is now back on GH as another character. She was Julia
> Huckabee (Huckabee?)
Larabee, if my memory serves me correctly.
> on ATWT. I've liked her on everything I've ever seen her
> on, daytime & primetime.
>
> >>> moved over to ATWT and he just wasn't as good. He was a bad boy and I
> >>> think his character's name was David. I don't remember who he was on
> >>> ATWT but it was a disappointment.
> >>
> >> Are you talking about Lesli-Kay's husband, who played David/Reid (hence
> >> the moniker "Ravid")?? He's got dark hair. I cannot recall the actor's
> >> name at the moment.
> >
> >No, this guy is Afro- American and was involved with Bridget. When he came
> >to ATWT the part just didn't seem to suit him. I don't know what went wrong
> >but he didn't stand out at all.
>
> Monti Sharp played David Grant #1 on GL with Bridget, with Nia Long playing
> Cat, and the diner & boarding house & all that. He was an Emmy winner on GL, I
> think.
>
> Then, he was awful on ATWT and SUPER awful on GH as Justus Ward #2 - which was
> so weird.
I am drawing a complete and utter blank here... who did Monti play on
ATWT???
TIA.
MsLiz
wrote:
>In article <4856c054...@news.charter.net>, Ms...@msliz.com says...
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:22:41 -0500, Cory <my_whe...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <4855786E...@rochester.rr.com>,
>> >mbor...@rochester.rr.com says...
>> >> Jinx wrote:
>> >> > Any more word on a Harley recast?
>> >> > I'd read about there being a "wishlist" of established actresses
>> >> > compiled by tptb. One of the actresses on the list being Cady McClain
>> >> > (Dixie, AMC, Rosanna, ATWT). Ironically I remember Beth Ehlers being
>> >> > on a list of actresses a Soap mag once suggested as recasts for
>> >> > McClain's Dixie years ago).
>> >> >
>> >> > Ehlers will be difficult to replace, but if they do go ahead with a
>> >> > recast, who would be on YOUR wishlist?
>> >>
>> >> Lets face it...Nobody is irreplaceable...nobody
>> >
>> >Sorry to disagree, but watching soap operas has taught me otherwise.
>> >
>> >--- Cory
>>
>> Michael Zaslow.
>>
>> MsLiz
>
>And yet, they stupidly, selfishly and foolishly went ahead and replaced
>him.
>
>Didn't work, mind you, but they tried to do it anyway.
>
Dennis Parlato, who did not know the circumstances when he took the
job. I know what a sore point this was with you Cory. At least,
Roger was written off fairly quickly.
I still regret that the character was killed off, and the way they did
it was awful Sebastian and that whole Holly kidnapping story was
exceedingly stupid.
I still believe that Roger got the CIA to take Hart to a secret
hospital and nursed him back to health, and they are all alive and
living on a Carribean Island. Sebastian lied about Roger being dead.
I can pretend, can't I?
MsLiz
MsLiz
MsLiz
wrote:
That means they are real!
>> and couldn't stand to look at her. And when the
>> first Carly
>
>AFAIK, there's only been one Carly on ATWT... Maura West. Are you
>talking about the first Carly from GH??
Doesn't Laura Wright play Carly on GH? I think that was the intended
meaning.
>> came to ATWT some people couldn't stand her small eyes (?). I
>> was fine with both actresses but there was a guy who was wonderful on GL and
>> moved over to ATWT and he just wasn't as good. He was a bad boy and I think
>> his character's name was David. I don't remember who he was on ATWT but it
>> was a disappointment.
>
MsLiz
Aisling Willow Grey
article <advf549pji75k24ja...@4ax.com>):
> That doesn't really speak to what may or may not happen to/with Ehlers or
does
> with many newcomers. For one thing veteran fans of shows don't want to see
> veteran actors & characters dumped to make room for newbies. And, that's not
> just about AMC; that's all soaps.<<
Well, true -- no one is happy when a newcomer eats the show (cough cough
Alexa Havins cough cough). But I'm willing to reserve judgement until I see
what AMC does with her. Who's to say she and Ricky Paull Goldin are going to
eat the show? Unless some of you know more about upcoming storylines than I
do?
Aisling
(p.s. - Donna, I hope you feel better soon! And, day _six_ of azithromycin?
Why didn't they give you the 5-day Z-pak? You must be REALLY sick!)
--
FAC Will Cortlandt
Jewelled Frango 2001
President Pro Tem, RATSA 'Just Smack Jack' Society - protecting Pine Valley
citizens from the corrosive sanctimony of Jackson Montgomery
"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over
again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George
W. Bush, May 24, 2005
Aisling Willow Grey
article <4c483116-44e1-4649...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> It's that blond sink of dishwater that I still look at and try to
> place. What's her character name? Oh, that's right. Babe. <<
Hee. That's great, Francine. I think that's her new name: "that blonde sink
of dishwater."
Aisling