ATWT: TV Guide spoilers
JC
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TV Guide says Nancy will pass away in her sleep on Aug 30 and the
entire Aug 31 episode will be a tribute to her.
The mag also mentions Casey & Alison might be getting engaged again &
Chris could have a life-threatening heart condition. And there will be
lots of fan-pleasing closure on the way to the final ep (Sept 17)
including romances, reunions, and weddings.
KC
wrote:
Yes, it matters to me, enormously. I'm always willing to talk about
ATWT and I think I respond to every ATWT post.
Regardless, thanks for this update. I stopped subscribing to TV Guide
*and* Soap Opera Digest a few years ago, so I really appreciate
knowing these dates.
I like the timing of Nancy's death. They can do the tribute and still
have 2 and a half weeks to have some happier endings. Interesting that
TV Guide didn't mention the one rumour I've been hearing about, the
one that involves a tragedy. Oh, wait, they did mention "fan-pleasing
closure" and "reunions", so ugh, maybe that one *is* true.
KC
mjcic...@gmail.com
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:20:12 -0700 (PDT), JC <jasonw...@austin.rr.com>
Speculation KC? What do You think they mean by that? Who might they
have in mind for re uniting? Oh ya Lilly and Holden or wold that be
closure?
I was thinking the other day haw long we have been typing around this
newsgroup. I remember "meeting" Dana in maybe 1993 1994 ish. We need
to pick a show to talk about when this is all over so we can keep in
touch.
MJ
JC
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:20:12 -0700 (PDT), JC <jasonw...@austin.rr.com>
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A sad tidbit I forgot to mention. Unsurprisingly, Goutman stated in
the article that his plan had been for Nancy to repeat the line that
began ATWT (Good morning, dear) at the end of the final episode. How
sad for all the ATWT lovers that won't happen.
Justis Price
I come here nearly every day hoping to find some topic about the show
so yes I am definitely interested in all of this. Thanks
:)
Phyllis Stone
"Justis Price" <justi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Me too. I try so hard to stay interested in Y&R because that is what people
mostly watch, but it is not the same. I was wondering the other day which
soap has spawned the most actors and actresses to have gone on to bigger and
better things. My guess would be GL but I bet a close second would be ATWT.
Has anyone ever seen any data about that?
> :)
KC
I think we'll definitely end up with Jack/Carly, Holden/Lily, and
Dusty/Janet.
I joined the group in 1995 or 1996. I've tried to sidle up to the ABC
group, even the Y&R contingency of this group, but I don't think
people know me, so they don't really engage in much conversation with
me, unlike the GL and ATWT fans here. I used to poke around at the
DOOL group (the misc group, IIRC), but there were some odd people
there and I found that they were more interested in commenting on how
hot this or that actor was than engage in any substantive analysis. I
try to watch Y&R a little, but (sorry, fans) that show's kind of a
drag.
As for other speculations or spoilers, I'll tell you what Record
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There's a rumor that Reid will be killed in the final few episodes and
that Luke and Noah will begin to reunite. This came from Terri C.
mentioning that the last few eps contained emotional, sad scenes that
involved a character close to Katie. We thought it might be Nancy's
death, but we now know that's not it. There were also some pictures
leaked of Luke holding an urn of ashes, which could mean that Damian
is finally killed, but *apparently* there's been some sort of set-side
confirmation that Reid dies. Now, there's also been speculation that
he dies in some big multi-car crash, but other rumors that he is
killed by that angry father. So, I don't know what to think about it
all, but I do know there's a Nuke fan base that feverishly wants Luke
and Noah to at least be open to a reconciliation at the end.
KC
KC
wrote:
>On Jul 30, 11:58 pm, KC <cmk1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Grr. That was *my* idea, Goutman!! Several people suggested that they
tape some things with her, just in case. I thought it would be great
to have her either say, "Good night, dear", or have the final scene be
set maybe in the hospital, with Nancy at the volunteer table and Bob
walks in and she says, "Good morning, dear." Bob smiles broadly and
they fade to black.
I know it would have seemed morbid to have her tape ahead of time, but
I believe Helen was a practical person and a true professional and
wouldn't have been offended. I'm actually surprised she didn't suggest
it.
KC
KC
My first instinct is that it's ATWT first, GL second, but that's just
based on the star power of Julianne Moore, Marisa Tomei, Meg Ryan, and
possibly William Fitchner and Steven Weber. But when it comes to
actors who have gone on to appear in lots of things, sometimes guest
spots, sometimes co-starring roles, yeah, GL's got quite the
impressive list.
Whenever I think about this topic, there are three categories for me:
1) actors who got their start on the show in a significant role and
went on to be household names (the true "spawning"), 2) actors who got
their start playing some bit part that not even fans remember, and 3)
actors who went on to appear in primetime shows, movies, theater, but
aren't household names. Personally, I don't think it counts to have
been not much more than a day player; I count the people who played a
decent -sized role and made the transition to other work. But I'll
throw a bunch of the others in there, too.
I only time to go GL right now. I'll do ATWT later.
GL:
James Earl Jones
Ruby Dee
Melina Kanakaredes
Hayden Panettiere
Cindy Pickett
Christina Pickles
Cynthia Watros
Kevin Bacon
Allison Janney
Ian Ziering
Wendy Moniz
Michael Zaslow
Daniel Cosgrove
John Wesley Shipp
James Rebhorn
Matt Bomer
Frank Grillo
Sharon Leal
Nia Long
Bethany Joy Lenz
Brittany Snow
Sherry Stringfield
Thomas O'Rourke
Elizabeth Dennehy
Aubrey Dollar
Paige Turco
Jeffrey Phillips
Billy Dee Williams
Christopher Walken (I mean, really, does anyone remember him playing
Mike Bauer from 1954-1956? Didn't think so.)
Peter Hermann
Mark Derwin
Laura Bell Bundy
Tammy Blanchard
Callista Flockhart
Taye Diggs
Rachel Miner
Mira Sorvino
KC
JC
> I think we'll definitely end up with Jack/Carly, Holden/Lily, and
> Dusty/Janet.
I'm assuming Casey/Alison per the TV Guide article, as well as Babs/
Henry. I can't imagine we've been through all this stuff the past 6
months without them ending up together. I'd like it.
> As for other speculations or spoilers, I'll tell you what Record
> Hunter and I have seen online, but I'm leaving spoiler space, so just
> in case it's true and you don't want to know ahead of time, you won't
> be spoiled. Really, honestly, only go below if you love spoilers.
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> There's a rumor that Reid will be killed in the final few episodes and
> that Luke and Noah will begin to reunite. This came from Terri C.
> mentioning that the last few eps contained emotional, sad scenes that
> involved a character close to Katie. We thought it might be Nancy's
> death, but we now know that's not it. There were also some pictures
> leaked of Luke holding an urn of ashes, which could mean that Damian
> is finally killed, but *apparently* there's been some sort of set-side
> confirmation that Reid dies. Now, there's also been speculation that
> he dies in some big multi-car crash, but other rumors that he is
> killed by that angry father. So, I don't know what to think about it
> all, but I do know there's a Nuke fan base that feverishly wants Luke
> and Noah to at least be open to a reconciliation at the end.
Interesting. I'm not a Nuke fan for sure, but I'm also not too
invested in Reid, so I guess this will be ok. Now that you mention it,
I heard (or maybe saw here) this same rumor & my immediate thought was
Henry dies. Someone close to Katie, plus around that time I saw CZP's
twitter feed saying Babs was really going through the ringer
emotionally. I assume now that was referring to her captivity. So I
guess Henry is safe.
Dave
"KC" <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> Whenever I think about this topic, there are three categories for me:
> 1) actors who got their start on the show in a significant role and
> went on to be household names (the true "spawning"), 2) actors who got
> their start playing some bit part that not even fans remember, and 3)
> actors who went on to appear in primetime shows, movies, theater, but
> aren't household names. Personally, I don't think it counts to have
> been not much more than a day player; I count the people who played a
> decent -sized role and made the transition to other work. But I'll
> throw a bunch of the others in there, too.
>
> I only time to go GL right now. I'll do ATWT later.
What a fascinating list!! When you have time, I'd love to see one for Y&R
(the only names that I can come up with are The Hoff and whatsherface from
Desperate Housewives).
Dave - Toronto
Phyllis Stone
"KC" <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I joined the group in 1995 or 1996. I've tried to sidle up to the ABC
> group, even the Y&R contingency of this group, but I don't think
> people know me, so they don't really engage in much conversation with
> me, unlike the GL and ATWT fans here. I used to poke around at the
> DOOL group (the misc group, IIRC), but there were some odd people
> there and I found that they were more interested in commenting on how
> hot this or that actor was than engage in any substantive analysis. I
> try to watch Y&R a little, but (sorry, fans) that show's kind of a
> drag.
KC
That is so funny about the Dool group. Hardly anyone is there now, Maybe
their servers quit carrying news groups. They would fight among themselves
and acted like they only posted there to tell each other how dumb or evil
someone was. It always made me feel like the show didn't really matter, just
who was bad mouthing who.
ka...@notme.com
Calista Flockhart? When was she on and who did she play?
Caroline McWilliams went on to a regular role on Benson.
Kate
Koko
Here is the Wikipedia list of past and present cast members w/ the
characters they played:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Young_and_the_Restless_cast_members#Former_cast_members
Koko
KC
Yep, that's what I'm referring to. Horrible name calling and
disrespect, wasn't it? There was one poster, Spanglie something or
other, who acted like her opinion was fact, so there was no way to
have any kind of discussion.
I'm going to miss people here more than I can say. I've long felt that
this was a group with a real thirst for insightful conversation, be it
soaps or dog food or politics or whatever. An inspiring bunch; a class
act.
Well, once we ran that crazy Jetson person off. ;-)
KC
KC
<Snort!> That's what I mean. I see her mentioned from time to time as
having gotten her break on GL, yet no one remembers her! She played
Elise, Marah and Shayne's babysitter in 1989, during the timeframe of
Reva's postpartum depression (that resulted in her header off the pier
in Florida). Yeah, I don't remember her, either. I can't even find a
Youtube clip of her. She was included in one of those specials about
people who started on soaps.
I did, however, find this tribute, in two parts. Amazing collection of
clips from GL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtP2bMHDO3Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYvOsLK1eWs
>Caroline McWilliams went on to a regular role on Benson.
>
>Kate
I didn't see her on the list that I was working from, but yes, I
remember her well. I was happy to see her show up on "Soap", then on
"Benson".
Oh, and JoBeth Williams, who played Brandy Shelloe, the woman Justin
Marler had an affair with that led to Jackie giving baby Phillip away
(to Alan) and telling Justin the baby had died.
KC
ka...@notme.com
Wow - thanks! Mike was even in a clip. I did notice the abscence of
Gus and Harley. Perhaps the creator wasn't a fan.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYvOsLK1eWs
That was nice too, with an actual Calista clip! Nice touch ending it
with Bert.
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>>Caroline McWilliams went on to a regular role on Benson.
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>>Kate
>
>I didn't see her on the list that I was working from, but yes, I
>remember her well. I was happy to see her show up on "Soap", then on
>"Benson".
I had forgotten she was on Soap - I loved that show. She isn't in
this clip but it's one I actually remember.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-1Qg3_cikw
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>Oh, and JoBeth Williams, who played Brandy Shelloe, the woman Justin
>Marler had an affair with that led to Jackie giving baby Phillip away
>(to Alan) and telling Justin the baby had died.
I'd forgotten that too. I remember her more from Somerset as Carrie
Wheeler.
Kate
mur...@kw.igs.net
Alright. Let's see who I remember. I'm only going to include the
ones that I can recall. The rest are either before my time or I'm
clueless about.
> GL:
> Melina Kanakaredes
Eleni!
> Hayden Panettiere
Lizzie!
> Cynthia Watros
Annie!
> Kevin Bacon
slightly before my time... Tim Werner, I think... a teen aged
alcoholic
> Allison Janney
one of Alex's maids! She was sooo awesome! Can't remember her name,
though.
> Ian Ziering
stupid Cam
> Wendy Moniz
Dinah!!
> Michael Zaslow
who? I kid! Roger!
> John Wesley Shipp
Kelly
> James Rebhorn
Bradley Raines
> Matt Bomer
bad Ben
> Frank Grillo
Hart Jessup
> Sharon Leal
Dahlia?
> Nia Long
Kat
> Bethany Joy Lenz
Michelle
> Brittany Snow
Daisy
> Sherry Stringfield
Blake!
> Thomas O'Rourke
Justin!
> Elizabeth Dennehy
another Blake!
> Aubrey Dollar
Marina (the good one)
> Paige Turco
Dinah (the boring one)
> Peter Hermann
the guy that cloned Reva
> Mark Derwin
AC Mallet
> Laura Bell Bundy
Marah
> Tammy Blanchard
what's her name... Michelle's frenemy...
> Taye Diggs
Sugar? Was that his name? Sugar?
> Rachel Miner
the one true Michelle Bauer
murr
KC
>On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:05:13 -0400, KC <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:36:22 -0500, ka...@notme.com wrote:
<snipped list of for GL actors>
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>>>Caroline McWilliams went on to a regular role on Benson.
>>>
>>>Kate
>>
>>I didn't see her on the list that I was working from, but yes, I
>>remember her well. I was happy to see her show up on "Soap", then on
>>"Benson".
>
>I had forgotten she was on Soap - I loved that show. She isn't in
>this clip but it's one I actually remember.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-1Qg3_cikw
OMG! LOL! I was crazy about Soap, still am. I could watch it daily and
never tire of it. That clip was classic. What an ensemble.
I just saw Katherine Helmond on the second episode of "The Glades" and
she can still knock it out of the park, even in a tiny cameo.
KC
KC
Nicely done! Yes, Taye Diggs played Sugar Hill for a brief time, then
the role was recast. Tammy Blanchard played, ugh, I have to look it
up, Drew Jacobs (nope, I would have never come up with it), who had a
thing with Michelle's boyfriend Jesse Blue (who had received Maureen's
heart), and turned out to be Selena's (Patty D'Arbanville) daughter.
Tammy is joining "The Good Wife".
KC
Rthrquiet
> A sad tidbit I forgot to mention. Unsurprisingly, Goutman stated in
> the article that his plan had been for Nancy to repeat the line that
> began ATWT (Good morning, dear) at the end of the final episode. How
> sad for all the ATWT lovers that won't happen.
And if he had a lick of sense (which his actions in the last two or
three years have cast seriously in doubt), he would have pretaped that
scene the minute the cancellation was announced. Heck, even people on
here--more than one person--mentioned that as something that should
have been a priority.
Michael
ka...@notme.com
I bet she can. Her Jessica Tate is a favorite of mine. My Soap will do
the reren cirsuit again. It's been years since I've seen it but
remembered that scene as if it were yesterday.
Wasn't Robert Urich her tennis pro?
Kate
KC
Yes, he was. Of course, he was also everyone else's tennis pro, too!
KC
Dana Carpender
> On Jul 31, 4:53 pm, KC <cmk1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Alright. Let's see who I remember. I'm only going to include the
> ones that I can recall. The rest are either before my time or I'm
> clueless about.
>
>
>> Allison Janney
> one of Alex's maids! She was sooo awesome! Can't remember her name,
> though.
>
Ginger. She took a minor role and ran with it; she had killer timing.
We all knew she was going places.
Dana
FirstHit
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:41:15 -0700 (PDT), "mjcicca...@gmail.com"
ATWT has sure screwed up Luke and Noah's story. It was supposed to be
a love story, but the two are mostly apart. Whenever there's conflict
they separate rather than face the problem as a team. For 9 months
they've been apart again. Does it really matter if they get back
together? If they do, based on their history, I will imagine that
they will be apart again soon.
Killing off Reid makes things worse. It would be better if Noah would
fight for Luke. I am watching the story to the bitter end now. I
don't see a way to end this story well at this point. There's just
too much bad history and not enough time to fix thing well enough to
make me believe Luke and Noah will live happily ever after. There are
a lot of people who feel as I do. For those who are hoping for at
least Nuke open to a reconciliation, I hope you get what you want, but
I can't understand how you can be happy with the few crumbs the
writers are throwing out.
FirstHit
santarosie
I read an interview with Goutman that he had thought of pretaping
Helen Wagner's line for the final show, but he felt it was bad karma,
so didnt go thru with it. I suppose they could always use an old
recording of her saying it...
KC
wrote:
The thing about Luke and Noah's story is that it works as a first
love, you know, the kind that's based on mutual attraction and maybe
some shared obstacles, but doesn't last because the two people just
aren't right for each other. I like the idea of them trying to be
friends, holding a special place in each other's hearts, etc., but
realizing that they are very different people who probably could never
make it work. But the show never told this story; they insist (it
appears) that Luke and Noah are destined for each other the way Carly
and Jack or Holden and Lily are, even though many of us believe those
couples, too, have proven to be unworkable pairings. Why can't Luke
choose Reid because they are compatible, or Holden choose Molly
because the relationship is more fun, or Carly choose Craig because he
doesn't have a problem with her bending of the rules? They are writing
Harlequin romances here and it's depressing.
But I've been in it since the late 70's, so I'm not going anywhere
now. Six weeks to go, folks.
KC
They see Reid as an obstacle, I guess, and I feel like they are still
squeamish about the gay relationships, since they've only let Luke and
Reid kiss a couple of times and they still haven't slept together,
which was *somewhat* believable for virgins Luke and Noah, is *not at
all* realistic for Luke and Reid.
Dana Carpender
Am I the only one who finds Luke and Reid vastly hotter than Nuke?
Maybe it's because Jake Silberman was never my cup of tea, either
physically or as an actor, or maybe it's because Reid's abrasive
personality is at least assertive, instead of dishrag-y like Noah can
be, but either way, I found myself very much wanting a hot encounter for
these two in the honeymoon suite today.
Dana
KC
Raises hand. The actor who plays Reid is very hot and he's not the
type I usually find so attractive. Reid is abrasive, yes, but it's
partly based in a deep passion for his work and you can't help but
believe he'd be that intense in bed. I found his talk with Molly
interesting when he complained that the people of Oakdale change
partners like he changes his socks. Seemed to indicate that he is more
of a romantic than he lets on, that when he falls in love, that's it
for him. He's much nicer than he even realizes.
The Nice Boy *I* Married is quite like that, tough guy with others,
but in private, he's the guy who kisses the dogs even before he kisses
me when he gets home from work.
KC
FirstHit
> On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 04:27:42 -0700 (PDT), FirstHit <First...@aol.com>
Good, thoughtful post, KC!
I agree; it seems that they wrote a first-love story, but then rather
than break them up, they kept moving them apart and together, never
really resolving their issues. There were parts of the Nuke story
that were good, but when you look at the big picture, it's not such a
good story.
FirstHit
KC
wrote:
>On Aug 2, 8:32 am, KC <cmk1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
I've taken out the spoiler and the rumor, to talk about Luke, Noah,
and Reid.
They missed out on some great opportunities to explore Luke and Noah's
perspectives developed. Even though Noah's father turned out to be a
horrible person, Noah was raised to think in an orderly manner, to
weigh information and form a plan. It's probably what makes him a good
filmmaker, that he plans his story, the shots, etc. to be efficient
and effective. I'd like to have seen them explore how Noah can despise
what his father turned out to be, but embrace the things he learned
that are actually useful.
I think we all come to that place with our parents, recognizing that
they weren't perfect, but they weren't idiots, either, and take the
aspects that work for us.
They did touch a bit on how Luke was more willing than he expected to
be to embrace parts of Damian's perspective on life when it came to
using underhanded tactics to get what he wanted. He learned from
Damian and from Lucinda that throwing his name, or some money, around,
gets the job done. That was never going to sit well with Noah, whose
grew up around military people whose lives were about hard work and
honor. Although Luke would be respectful of what military people have
achieved, he probably would not understand how someone could just
follow orders. This would have been an interesting discussion.
Luke has a great need to fix things. Hmm, could that be because he's
basically raised his younger siblings? How many times did we see 12 yr
old Luke taking the girls to the kitchen for a cookie, or hear the
adults mention that Luke was home with the girls? Holden and Lily have
so many dramas and kidnappings and "deaths" that Luke has been holding
down the fort his whole life. I wish they'd explored how Luke's
attempts to fix Noah's problem with the professor and the eyesight
thing are almost parental in nature. When Luke moved back to Lily's to
help with the kids when Holden "died", that would have been a great
opportunity to explore how Luke was raised to take care of people,
while Noah was raised that adults make all decisions for children.
Neither is right or wrong, but it speaks to the basic nature of their
incompatibility.
I could go on and on. The character of Noah had a lot of potential,
but they cast the role with a cute, but inept actor and played the
military aspect of his life as pretty much all bad. They should have
introduced an officer friend of Noah's father who could have been that
tie to Noah's upbringing, but who wasn't a homophobic murderer. Maybe
this person could have been someone who knew Noah's mother and could
be a sort of "uncle" to Noah.
I believe some of the suits feel they got stuck when they had Luke
come out, because then they needed a boyfriend, then they had to
address the sexual aspect, then they threw a few gay characters in
there to appease people. I don't feel that they truly embraced this
story and if Luke wasn't a character with such a deep history, he
would have gone off to college and we'd only see him when he comes
home for weddings. Oh, he'd be in a relationship, but his boyfriend
wouldn't attend, because he'd be unable to get off work.
The fact that Luke's story actually brought new viewers, some being
new to soaps as a genre, seemed to go right over the suits heads. Over
on OLTL, they made the same stupid mistake. Two guys raising the baby
one had after a drunken tryst with a woman, sharing the baby with the
dead mother's sister. Come on, that's gold. But no, they showed the
guys getting custody, discussing how they'd, of course, include the
aunt, then they were off the show. They just *gave* those fans away.
KC
FirstHit
> I could go on and on. The character of Noah had a lot of potential,
> but they cast the role with a cute, but inept actor and played the
> military aspect of his life as pretty much all bad. They should have
> introduced an officer friend of Noah's father who could have been that
> tie to Noah's upbringing, but who wasn't a homophobic murderer. Maybe
> this person could have been someone who knew Noah's mother and could
> be a sort of "uncle" to Noah.
Interestingly, they did introduce an officer friend or associate when
Winston was originally jailed for the attempt on Luke's life. I
thought we'd see more of him, but I don't think we ever saw him
again. It seemed Dusty could have been a mentor for Noah. Actually,
he was to an extent, and I liked the interaction, but the writers
dropped that like a hot potato when Dusty "died" and never picked that
potato back up when Dusty resurfaced.
Regarding Jake the actor, he was a bit green, but I don't think the
acting was really the problem. It was the writing, IMO.
> I believe some of the suits feel they got stuck when they had Luke
> come out, because then they needed a boyfriend, then they had to
> address the sexual aspect, then they threw a few gay characters in
> there to appease people. I don't feel that they truly embraced this
> story and if Luke wasn't a character with such a deep history, he
> would have gone off to college and we'd only see him when he comes
> home for weddings. Oh, he'd be in a relationship, but his boyfriend
> wouldn't attend, because he'd be unable to get off work.
I agree, they never truly embraced this story. But they talked like
they were embracing it, especially at the beginning, so fan
expectations were higher than results.
FirstHit
chicagofan
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:20:12 -0700 (PDT), JC<jaso...@austin.rr.com>
> wrote:
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>> TV Guide says Nancy will pass away in her sleep on Aug 30 and the
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>>
>> Chris could have a life-threatening heart condition. And there will be
>> lots of fan-pleasing closure on the way to the final ep (Sept 17)
>> including romances, reunions, and weddings.
>>
> Yes, it matters to me, enormously. I'm always willing to talk about
> ATWT and I think I respond to every ATWT post.
>
I think you may be the only reason people still check in here. :)
Thanks for all your contributions, KC.
> Regardless, thanks for this update. I stopped subscribing to TV Guide
> *and* Soap Opera Digest a few years ago, so I really appreciate
> knowing these dates.
>
> I like the timing of Nancy's death. They can do the tribute and still
> have 2 and a half weeks to have some happier endings. Interesting that
> TV Guide didn't mention the one rumour I've been hearing about, the
> one that involves a tragedy. Oh, wait, they did mention "fan-pleasing
> closure" and "reunions", so ugh, maybe that one *is* true.
>
> KC
>
If it has to do with Luke and Noah that makes me sick. I want Reid and
Luke's relationship to continue. I am accustomed to being disappointed
by these finishes though [i.e. Carly/Jack and Reba /Josh].
bj
chicagofan
> FirstHit wrote:
>
>> On Jul 31, 1:10 pm, KC<cmk1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:41:15 -0700 (PDT), "mjcicca...@gmail.com"
>>>
>>>
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>>> <mjcicca...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Jul 31, 12:58 am, KC<cmk1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:20:12 -0700 (PDT), JC<jasonw...@austin.rr.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if it even matters anymore as it seems very few ATWT
>>>>>> folks remain in this newsgroup, but I'll leave spoiler space
>>>>>> anyway ...
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>>>>>> TV Guide says Nancy will pass away in her sleep on Aug 30 and the
>>>>>> entire Aug 31 episode will be a tribute to her.
>>>>>> Chris could have a life-threatening heart condition. And there will be
>>>>>> lots of fan-pleasing closure on the way to the final ep (Sept 17)
>>>>>> including romances, reunions, and weddings.
>>
> Maybe it's because Jake Silberman was never my cup of tea, either
> physically or as an actor, or maybe it's because Reid's abrasive
> personality is at least assertive, instead of dishrag-y like Noah can
> be, but either way, I found myself very much wanting a hot encounter for
> these two in the honeymoon suite today.
>
> Dana
>
You definitely are not!!! We felt the same about Silberman in every
way, and maybe that's why I never took to Luke & Noah as a couple. His
acting improved a little, but that didn't help. The personalities of
their characters weren't compatible, and the challenge for Luke and Reid
to get along is just so much more intriguing and fun to watch, than
dullsville "Nuke".
I'm really sad to hear that Reid is going to be dumped. :(
bj
KC
wrote:
>KC wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:20:12 -0700 (PDT), JC<jaso...@austin.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't know if it even matters anymore as it seems very few ATWT
>>> folks remain in this newsgroup, but I'll leave spoiler space
>>> anyway ...
>>>
>>> :
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>>> TV Guide says Nancy will pass away in her sleep on Aug 30 and the
>>> entire Aug 31 episode will be a tribute to her.
>>>
>>> The mag also mentions Casey& Alison might be getting engaged again&
>>> Chris could have a life-threatening heart condition. And there will be
>>> lots of fan-pleasing closure on the way to the final ep (Sept 17)
>>> including romances, reunions, and weddings.
>>>
>> Yes, it matters to me, enormously. I'm always willing to talk about
>> ATWT and I think I respond to every ATWT post.
>>
>
>I think you may be the only reason people still check in here. :)
>Thanks for all your contributions, KC.
That's so sweet of you to say.
KC
Karen
I agree! Your memory (or your ability to pull info from whatever
sources you have at your disposal) has always amazed me, KC!
Thanks for the memories :-)
Karen
KC
wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:21:38 -0400, KC <cmk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:16:45 -0400, chicagofan <m...@privacy.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>KC wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:20:12 -0700 (PDT), JC<jaso...@austin.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if it even matters anymore as it seems very few ATWT
>>>>> folks remain in this newsgroup, but I'll leave spoiler space
>>>>> anyway ..
>>>>>
>>>>> TV Guide says Nancy will pass away in her sleep on Aug 30 and the
>>>>> entire Aug 31 episode will be a tribute to her.
>>>>>
>>>>> The mag also mentions Casey& Alison might be getting engaged again&
>>>>> Chris could have a life-threatening heart condition. And there will be
>>>>> lots of fan-pleasing closure on the way to the final ep (Sept 17)
>>>>> including romances, reunions, and weddings.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, it matters to me, enormously. I'm always willing to talk about
>>>> ATWT and I think I respond to every ATWT post.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think you may be the only reason people still check in here. :)
>>>Thanks for all your contributions, KC.
>>
>>That's so sweet of you to say.
>>
>>KC
>
>I agree! Your memory (or your ability to pull info from whatever
>sources you have at your disposal) has always amazed me, KC!
>
>Thanks for the memories :-)
>
>Karen
Thank you for your kind words. I do have a pretty good memory with
ATWT and GL are concerned, but yes, I double-check a lot before I hit
Send to be sure I've got the facts straight.
What I will miss the most is the analysis of the show, the debate
about various characters and storylines, the literary criticism, as it
were. I work with a few women that watch soaps, GH mostly, and all
they talk about is how cute this one or that one is. They refer to the
actors by the character name and can't discuss, for example, how the
introduction of the mob element changed the soap, or the concept of
portraying the mob on a daytime drama, without just flat-out defending
it (or just defending Sonny).
For instance, I was trying to discuss the performance of Laura Wright
(ex-Cassie, GL) in her role as Carly on GH. One of the women used to
watch GL, so she agreed with me that there was a warmth to her as
Cassie that belied what a self-absorbed bitch Cassie could be, but
when the role was recast with Nicole Forrester, who gave a more
brittle performance, many people thought they had started writing the
character as nastier. Nope, she was pretty arrogant all along!
But, while this woman felt that Laura was miscast as Carly, because
that warmth was, in her opinion, coming through when the character is
supposed to be quite the bad girl, the GH fan had nothing but praise,
didn't even get what we were talking about. As she spoke, it became
clear that she just loves having Carly on GH in any incarnation,
because the character is such a fixture and because she loves "Jason"
and "Sonny" and Carly is in their orbit.
I can't have a deep analysis of character development and storyline
merit with someone who views a soap in a blind fanboy way and frankly,
it's depressing. It's bad enough having to go there every day now
after years of working from home, but geez, you can't even have a good
storyline discussion there.
I was a huge fan of GL and ATWT, watched til the end, watched when
others gave up, watched when I was frustrated, and I've always
believed in the value of soaps as a unique way to tell a story. But,
I'm sure as hell going to critique them in earnest. That's how I roll.
;-) I have no doubt that people here have given more thought to the
direction their soap should take, which characters have been played
out, which favorites should be brought back, and who should be cast in
those roles than many of TPTB do.
My mother, who watched ATWT since the day it debuted, told me today
that she turned on the TV at 2pm just to see what was on (Price is
Right) and to feel what it's like to not see those familiar faces. I
found myself coming home from work, going through the routine of
flipping on the TV, going to TiVo recordings and, for a second, forgot
the show was gone. It's been a 40+ year habit and when GL ended last
year, I still had a soap. Now I don't. I haven't quite processed it
yet.
I also haven't watched the final episode, if you were wondering why I
haven't posted any opinions about it yet.
KC
Karen
I'd certainly be interested in reading what you think of the ATWT
finale. As for discussing in depth the soaps we love and the
characters who populate them, this newsgroup is all I have. Even when
I did work in an office, no one there watched - or admitted to
watching any soaps.
Karen, who can't believe ATWT is really gone for good. My TiVo is
weeping.
chicagofan
> <snip>
> My mother, who watched ATWT since the day it debuted, told me today
> that she turned on the TV at 2pm just to see what was on (Price is
> Right) and to feel what it's like to not see those familiar faces. I
> found myself coming home from work, going through the routine of
> flipping on the TV, going to TiVo recordings and, for a second, forgot
> the show was gone. It's been a 40+ year habit and when GL ended last
> year, I still had a soap. Now I don't. I haven't quite processed it
> yet.
>
Same here, KC... it hasn't sunk in yet. :(
> I also haven't watched the final episode, if you were wondering why I
> haven't posted any opinions about it yet.
>
> KC
>
I have been wondering... hoping nothing was wrong with you. :)
bj
KC
Thanks for thinking of me. I used to work from home, gosh, for the
past 10 years, but now I have to work in the office, so between
getting ready for work (instead of padding over to the computer in my
jammies) and the long drive in, it's a long day. Hate it, hate it,
hate it. At home, I could take a break and post a little, but I don't
have Forte Agent at the office, so I have to catch up on the weekends.
Bummer.
KC