Y&R - Jess Walton quits Y&R !
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Posted Monday, March 30, 2009 6:43:08 PM
by Elizabeth Albanese
The Young and the Restless has a potentially crippling problem on its
hand. Emmy-winning actress Jess Walton has walked off the set -- and
it is not because she's been ill, as previously reported elsewhere. A
new report claims that the actress refused to take a paycut and
bolted. Walton has been on Y&R for more than 20 years.
Storylines aren't the only things heating up the set of The Young and
the Restless. Backstage insiders are buzzing about Emmy winner Jess
Walton's (Jill Abbott) unexpected time off from the top-rated CBS
soap. Initially, Walton's health was blamed as the reason the actress
wasn't showing up for work. Now, however, there's a decidedly
different take on her situation.
Contrary to a report published in Soap Opera Digest's web site, Walton
isn't missing-in-action because she's ill. Though the actress has
admittedly been feeling under the weather, TVGuide Canada's soap
blogger Nelson Branco reports that the actress bolted after being told
she had to work for less money.
"Y&R asked her to take a pay cut, and she walked off the set," Branco
posted in his latest blog entry. "She had been feeling ill, but that's
not the reason she bolted."
Many daytime stars have made waves over the years about not wanting to
take a salary cut, but Walton appears to " be the first daytime actor
to actually stand up to these pay cuts everyone is being forced to
take."
With Walton out - at least temporarily - the casting department at The
Young and the Restless is racing to find someone to take over the role
of Jill. The character is currently involved in major story, and
there's no way that the show can work around not having someone play
Jill.
A casting call went out last week for the role of Jill Abbott. The
notice shocked many insiders, especially since shows will typically
use false names when casting or recasting major roles. The casting
call sought an "established actress" for the contract role. In the
notice, Jill was described as "late '50s, Caucasian, female. This
sexy, fiery woman is a smart and confident CEO of a successful
company. While she is strong and can hold her own, she is also a
mother and grandmother who wants what is best for her family."
Almost immediately upon hearing of Walton's exit, names of other
industry vets began surfacing as possible new Jills. Recently ousted
Days of our Live star Deidre Hall's (ex-Marlena Evans) name seemed at
the top of many fans' lists of recasts. One actress that The Young and
the Restless might consider is Finola Hughes (Anna Devane, General
Hospital). Hughes was previously signed to appear in a short-term role
on Y&R last year, but ABC appealed to Hughes' sense of loyalty -- and
the promise of a big storyline -- to convince Hughes not to appear on
a rival network.
Walton joined the cast of The Young and the Restless in June 1987. She
assumed the role from Brenda Dickson, who originated the role in 1973.
It appears unlikely that Dickson will be asked to reprise the role.
While long-time Y&R viewers may remember the actress, an insider tells
soapcentral.com that Dickson doesn't carry the instant name
recognition that the show is looking for.
Shirl
> The Young and the Restless has a potentially crippling problem on its
> hand. Emmy-winning actress Jess Walton has walked off the set -- and
> it is not because she's been ill, as previously reported elsewhere. A
> new report claims that the actress refused to take a paycut and
> bolted. Walton has been on Y&R for more than 20 years.
Hard to know unless you hear it from the horse's mouth ... but ...
If that's what happened, good for JW! It appears the whole thing is
being run by first graders. There are ANY NUMBER of extraneous
characters who could have been cut to save $. In the current state of
the show *and* the genre, it NEEDS the stability of its veteran
characters, especially those with such significant connections to
others and who are in major storylines (lame as they are...MY
opinion).
Has Eric Braeden been asked to take a pay cut? If you're going to be
asking the VETERANS to take pay cuts, why not start with the person
who's making the MOST? Let him set the example for the others! (I'd
pay $ to see that happen!)
If true, good for you, JW ... stand your ground!
Shirl <---shaking head, unbelievable
MarkH
yesterday.
It does appear that the request for "pay cuts" (usually defined as a
lower guarantee, in particular) is being asked for across the board.
It is being reported that Walton ALREADY took a pay cut on the last go-
round.
It is over. Jess-as-Jill continues for 3 more years we hope.
In Jeanne Cooper's last (recent) contract, she was given 3 years with
no cycles (meaning they could not fire her until the three years was
up). Here's hoping Jess gets something similar.
record hunter
I wonder what the show would be like without Victor. Who would replace
him and Jack as the show's supercouple?
MarkH
>
> I wonder what the show would be like without Victor. Who would replace
> him and Jack as the show's supercouple?
I'm going to assume we'll never have to find out :-)
Pat Wadley
"MarkH" <mark...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 31, 12:37 pm, record hunter <record.hun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I wonder what the show would be like without Victor. Who would replace
> him and Jack as the show's supercouple?
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I'm going to assume we'll never have to find out :-)
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I'm just glad that Jess Walton is not leaving. I can't imagine anyone else
in that role. And when they started suggesting other people like Finola
Hughes and others, I was shocked. They seem so pallid compared to JW.
Like getting someone else to play Katherine or Victor. Just no way.
Or Phyllis.
There are just actors who have made a character "theirs" that it is
impossible to imagine anyone else in the role. And if they are "replaced"
the whole show is altered. It took me forever, and I am still not quite
sure about it, to accept Heather Tom's replacement. It still doesn't quite
work for me. She is nice enough, but, she just does not project the
strength that Tom did in the same role. Tom stood up to the withering blast
of Victor's anger and gave it back. This one floats in front of it and gets
blown away.
But, that is just me and I am sure that if I had never see Tom in the role
first, that it would make no difference.
I am just glad that Jess Walton is staying.
my2cents
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Shirl
> There are just actors who have made a character "theirs" that it is
> impossible to imagine anyone else in the role. And if they are "replaced"
> the whole show is altered. It took me forever, and I am still not quite
> sure about it, to accept Heather Tom's replacement. It still doesn't quite
> work for me. She is nice enough, but, she just does not project the
> strength that Tom did in the same role. Tom stood up to the withering blast
> of Victor's anger and gave it back. This one floats in front of it and gets
> blown away.
>
> But, that is just me and I am sure that if I had never see Tom in the role
> first, that it would make no difference.
I agree to some extent -- I think most recasts are generally "jarring"
to viewers even if they end up working out in the long run. Some roles
are better written out than recast. Some roles enjoy new life and
possibilities with a recast. I used to share your opinion that some
roles are near impossible to recast, until Sandra Nelson took Michelle
Stafford's place as Phyllis -- she did it differently, but she was,
IMO, every bit as effective as Phyllis as MS is. Not all recasts fill
the shoes that well, but I'd never say "never" anymore.
rh, I think it would be really bad for the show to do it now, but
there was a time when I absolutely could have seen a Victor recast
working very well. EB has banked on the notion that he is the only
person who can effectively play that role...when you consider all the
risks TPTB have taken over the years, I wish they would have taken
that one. There's nothing THAT extraordinary about the character of
Victor Newman that another competent actor couldn't have handled at
least as well if not better.
Re the pay cuts being "across the board", do you really believe that
stuff applies to *everyone*?
;-)
Shirl
MarkH
Brenda Dickson - Bond Gideon - Deborah Adair - Brenda Dickson - Jess
Walton
Jess was very hard (for me) to accept for a while in the beginning,
because she was SO the antithesis of campy Dickson. (Do a youtube
search on her if you want to see classic 80s style camp).
But after 22 years, this bitter, brittle portrayal simply seems to own
the role.
I have no doubt a recast could work. But it is always a crap shoot.
Recasts go bad as often as they do well.
Rumors are that Walton may not have taken a lower per-episode fee, but
that she may have agreed to a reduced number of guaranteed episodes
per season. In other words, she blinked and took a pay cut, once the
producers started (publically) recasting.
A question is WHO played hardball? Bell Dramatic Serials (i.e., Bill
Bell Jr. and Maria Arena Bell)? or Sony? Walton listed Sony as her
employer of record on her last contribution to her political party of
choice.
MarkH
> rh, I think it would be really bad for the show to do it now, but
> there was a time when I absolutely could have seen a Victor recast
> working very well. EB has banked on the notion that he is the only
> person who can effectively play that role...when you consider all the
> risks TPTB have taken over the years, I wish they would have taken
> that one. There's nothing THAT extraordinary about the character of
> Victor Newman that another competent actor couldn't have handled at
> least as well if not better.
While other actors could play other strong men ... EB DEFINES the
Victor role. Nobody else could play Victor. Nobody. Ever.
If Braeden leaves, Victor can leave. If they want another Victor-
esque magnate, I have no doubt they can create and cast one...but it
better not be Victor. That is a jersey that needs to be retired, like
"Marlena" on DOOL or "Erica" on AMC or "Viki" on OLTL. Or, for that
matter, "Luke and Laura" on GH.
Some characters are SO iconically associated with actors that they
cannot be successfully recast.
Even when Julia Barr left the role of "Brooke" on AMC...the show could
not successfully recast (they tried). Some performers are simply SO
connected with their roles.
It goes the other way, too. I doubt Lucci or Braeden or any of them
would "click" if they went to another soap. Look at the lukewarm
reception Ricky Paull Goldin and Beth Ehlers from GL are now getting
on AMC.
FirstHit
> Pat Wadley:
>
> > There are just actors who have made a character "theirs" that it is
> > impossible to imagine anyone else in the role. And if they are "replaced"
> > the whole show is altered. It took me forever, and I am still not quite
> > sure about it, to accept Heather Tom's replacement. It still doesn't quite
> > work for me. She is nice enough, but, she just does not project the
> > strength that Tom did in the same role. Tom stood up to the withering blast
> > of Victor's anger and gave it back. This one floats in front of it and gets
> > blown away.
>
> > But, that is just me and I am sure that if I had never see Tom in the role
> > first, that it would make no difference.
>
> I agree to some extent -- I think most recasts are generally "jarring"
> to viewers even if they end up working out in the long run. Some roles
> are better written out than recast. Some roles enjoy new life and
> possibilities with a recast. I used to share your opinion that some
> roles are near impossible to recast, until Sandra Nelson took Michelle
> Stafford's place as Phyllis -- she did it differently, but she was,
> IMO, every bit as effective as Phyllis as MS is. Not all recasts fill
> the shoes that well, but I'd never say "never" anymore.
I find them jarring, usually. I think the Gloria recast was a good
one and was not too jarred by it. Looking back now, I think nuGlo is
much more suited for the part than ol'Glo.
For most characters though, the recast seems like a *new character* to
me with the same name and circumstances as the old. The recasts of
Coleen and Lily have been like that for me. I can enjoy the new
character, but unfortunately it's like the old character died.
Oh, one last thought... I didn't have any problem with Noah's recast,
but that's probably because (1) I never was too bonded to the younger
Noah, (2) the new character was a good match, and (3) the SORASing
made the change in Noah's attributes understandable and believable.
FirstHit
record hunter
> On Mar 31, 4:51 pm, Shirl <shinn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > rh, I think it would be really bad for the show to do it now, but
> > there was a time when I absolutely could have seen a Victor recast
> > working very well. EB has banked on the notion that he is the only
> > person who can effectively play that role...when you consider all the
> > risks TPTB have taken over the years, I wish they would have taken
> > that one. There's nothing THAT extraordinary about the character of
> > Victor Newman that another competent actor couldn't have handled at
> > least as well if not better.
>
> While other actors could play other strong men ... EB DEFINES the
> Victor role. Nobody else could play Victor. Nobody. Ever.
>
> If Braeden leaves, Victor can leave. If they want another Victor-
> esque magnate, I have no doubt they can create and cast one...but it
> better not be Victor. That is a jersey that needs to be retired, like
> "Marlena" on DOOL or "Erica" on AMC or "Viki" on OLTL. Or, for that
> matter, "Luke and Laura" on GH.
>
> Some characters are SO iconically associated with actors that they
> cannot be successfully recast.
Yeah, I was talking about "Victor" leaving the show, not EB (though
obviously if Victor leaves...)
Diva
> "MarkH" <markhs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3e7312cb-636e-4be3...@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 31, 12:37 pm, record hunter <record.hun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I wonder what the show would be like without Victor. Who would replace
> > him and Jack as the show's supercouple?
>
> *****************************************
> I'm going to assume we'll never have to find out :-)
> ******************************************
>
> I'm just glad that Jess Walton is not leaving.
She is so damn cranky. Before and after Ji Min she is in sour mode all
the time.
Diva
Cheri
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I don't agree. EB is Victor Newman to me, can't imagine anybody else playing
it. Many people feel the same way about Sally Spectra on B&B, that she can't
be replaced, but I would have been OK with somebody else in the role.
Actually, I think Victor is the only one that couldn't be replaced to me. I
agree with you about Sandra Nelson, she did a great job, and I was very
happy to see sour puss Heather Tom go. Different tastes I reckon.
Cheri
Cheri
While other actors could play other strong men ... EB DEFINES the
Victor role. Nobody else could play Victor. Nobody. Ever.
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+1
Cheri
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FirstHit
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To me, young Noah was irritating with his smart mouth, now that he's older,
you sort of expect it from a teenager, so I like the SORAsing too.
Gracie
>
> > rh, I think it would be really bad for the show to do it now, but
> > there was a time when I absolutely could have seen a Victor recast
> > working very well. EB has banked on the notion that he is the only
> > person who can effectively play that role...when you consider all the
> > risks TPTB have taken over the years, I wish they would have taken
> > that one. There's nothing THAT extraordinary about the character of
> > Victor Newman that another competent actor couldn't have handled at
> > least as well if not better.
>
> While other actors could play other strong men ... EB DEFINES the
> Victor role. Nobody else could play Victor. Nobody. Ever.
>
> If Braeden leaves, Victor can leave. If they want another Victor-
> esque magnate, I have no doubt they can create and cast one...but it
> better not be Victor. That is a jersey that needs to be retired, like
> "Marlena" on DOOL or "Erica" on AMC or "Viki" on OLTL. Or, for that
> matter, "Luke and Laura" on GH.
>
> Some characters are SO iconically associated with actors that they
> cannot be successfully recast.
>
When talk turned to the possibility of Deirdre Hall taking on the role
of Jill Abbott I thought my heart was going to stop. Just the thought
of such an enormous casting snafu almost makes me wish it would have
come true only so I could say I actually saw it for myself, kind of
like when Joan Crawford stepped in for her daughter on The Secret
Storm back in the 1960s.
MarkH
y associated with actors that they
> > cannot be successfully recast.
>
> When talk turned to the possibility of Deirdre Hall taking on the role
> of Jill Abbott I thought my heart was going to stop. Just the thought
> of such an enormous casting snafu almost makes me wish it would have
> come true only so I could say I actually saw it for myself, kind of
> like when Joan Crawford stepped in for her daughter on The Secret
> Storm back in the 1960s.
I agree. Hall as Jill would have been a freak of nature, something
glorious to behold.
Shirl
> The irony is that Jill is recast FOUR TIMES.
>
> Brenda Dickson - Bond Gideon - Deborah Adair -
> Brenda Dickson - Jess Walton
Yeah, but as you said later in your post, Jess has been there for over
TWO DECADES. Bond Gideon and Deborah Adair weren't in the role long
enough to make them irreplaceable, IMO.
> Jess was very hard (for me) to accept for a while in the beginning,
> because she was SO the antithesis of campy Dickson. (Do a youtube
> search on her if you want to see classic 80s style camp).
BD was campy but played the role well, IMO. Her scenes with Liz Foster
and her brothers were very realistic, and her scenes with Philip
Chancellor were about as steamy as they get! It was her behind-the-
scenes acting that was the problem, and seeing some of her "look at
me, I'm Brenda Dickson" videos and commentary about how she was
wronged cast a pretty dark shadow on on-screen material that actually
worked pretty well...IMO.
> I have no doubt a recast could work. But it is always a crap shoot.
> Recasts go bad as often as they do well.
I'm sure a recast could work **IF** the show were in the same
situation it was while in its heyday, during the years when it was
enjoying enormous popularity and when the genre was still going
strong. But NOW isn't the time to recast a two-decade or more veteran.
The show has taken so many hits to its foundation and stability in the
last few years, the loss of another veteran (by BAD MANAGEMENT) would
have devastating effects, IMO. It's one thing when a veteran actor
wants to retire or leaves for health reasons. But when TPTB do
something STUPID to cause them to leave, it's unfortunately so public
these days that it hurts the show even more.
> A question is WHO played hardball? Bell Dramatic Serials (i.e., Bill
> Bell Jr. and Maria Arena Bell)? or Sony? Walton listed Sony as her
> employer of record on her last contribution to her political party of
> choice.
Maybe it's just me, but that, to me, is nobody else's business. Yeah,
yeah, I know "public record", "on the internet" and all that, but
still ... IMO digging into that kind of personal info is just ...
well ... wrong. Do you know when she visited her gynecologist last?
Why don't you post that, too? That kind of thing is, IMO, one of
things the internet makes FAR too easy.
Shirl
Shirl
> > rh, I think it would be really bad for the show to do it now, but
> > there was a time when I absolutely could have seen a Victor recast
> > working very well. EB has banked on the notion that he is the only
> > person who can effectively play that role...when you consider all the
> > risks TPTB have taken over the years, I wish they would have taken
> > that one. There's nothing THAT extraordinary about the character of
> > Victor Newman that another competent actor couldn't have handled at
> > least as well if not better.
MarkH:
> While other actors could play other strong men ...
> EB DEFINES the Victor role. Nobody else could
> play Victor. Nobody. Ever.
I disagree, and I wouldn't make that kind if definitive statement
unless another competent, capable actor tried and failed. People
*might* be surprised!
Again, I wouldn't recast Victor NOW, with the show and the genre in
the state they're in, but I totally disagree that "nobody else could
play Victor". I think there are other capable actors who could play
Victor every bit as well, if not better, than Eric Braeden, just as
Sandra Nelson played Phyllis every bit as effectively although
*differently* than Michelle Stafford. It's interesting how MUCH
suspension of disbelief you are willing to give to stories that make
ZERO sense to some of us, yet you close your mind totally to the
possibility that anyone else could "ever" play Victor.
I admit, there were times when EB as Victor was compelling. here have
been times, when watching various scenes in the last few years, that
I've thought that another actor playing the same scene could have made
it WAY more compelling. I know EB has his loyal fans, and he does
Victor in the only way we've ever known Victor, so
> If Braeden leaves, Victor can leave.
That would work for me!
But I believe that EB/Victor still has a substantial number of loyal
fans -- his departure would hurt the show significantly, IMO, but not
because nobody else could play the role as well or as effectively.
Shirl
Dave
"Pat Wadley" <mj...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> There are just actors who have made a character "theirs" that it is
> impossible to imagine anyone else in the role. And if they are "replaced"
> the whole show is altered. It took me forever, and I am still not quite
> sure about it, to accept Heather Tom's replacement. It still doesn't
> quite work for me. She is nice enough, but, she just does not project the
> strength that Tom did in the same role. Tom stood up to the withering
> blast of Victor's anger and gave it back. This one floats in front of it
> and gets blown away.
Agreed 100% (or as you folks say...+1).
Heather Tom played the roll with some balls. The new actress (aimile or amy
or whatever her name is) is more reactive than proactive. The show itself
did not go into the tank as a result of that recast (and HT is no where near
the stature of EB). However, I do think the character suffered tremendously
(and to this day has not recovered). As a result the writers have written
the role differentenly from how they did for HT. I remember when there was
a hint of Victoria starting to think about screwing over Brad when she was
married to him. I thought to myself....hell yeah!! It's about time she
showed some spunk!! But they dropped it. Hard to imagine HT taking the
same crap dished out to the character that the new actress has.
I'll be honest here. I still hold out hope that HT will reprise the role
some day.
Dave - Toronto
Dave
are asking the actors to take a pay cut?? How exactly does a bad economy
affect a soap adversely?? I thought Y&R was always in the top slot for
daytime TV. Are ratings plumetting whereby CBS needs to cut corners with
actors salaries??
Dave - Toronto
queenie
wrote:
>But I believe that EB/Victor still has a substantial number of loyal
>fans -- his departure would hurt the show significantly, IMO, but not
>because nobody else could play the role as well or as effectively.
Count me in as one of Victor's fans. Victor and Nikki never get old
to me but then I like Sheila in all of her reincarnations.
queenie
wrote:
>I don't agree. EB is Victor Newman to me, can't imagine anybody else playing
>it. Many people feel the same way about Sally Spectra on B&B, that she can't
>be replaced, but I would have been OK with somebody else in the role.
>Actually, I think Victor is the only one that couldn't be replaced to me. I
>agree with you about Sandra Nelson, she did a great job, and I was very
>happy to see sour puss Heather Tom go. Different tastes I reckon.
I never cared for SN's Phyllis. I agree with everything else you
said.
JW is one of my fav characters on Y&R. I sure would hate to see her
leave the show.
Shirl
> Heather Tom played the roll with some balls. The new actress (aimile or amy
> or whatever her name is) is more reactive than proactive. The show itself
> did not go into the tank as a result of that recast (and HT is no where near
> the stature of EB). However, I do think the character suffered tremendously
> (and to this day has not recovered). As a result the writers have written
> the role differentenly from how they did for HT.
Well, in fairness, the writers changed, too! Who knows what would have
been in store for Victoria if the original writers had stayed in
place. Victoria used to be a front-and-center character...LOTS of
interaction with Victor and Nikki and Nick/Sharon ... not so much in
recent years, almost back-burner.
Shirl
MarkH
Heather had AMAZING chemistry with Christian Leblanc.
Had she stayed, I'm sure it would have been Michael-Victoria, not
Michael-Lauren.
Shirl
> >But I believe that EB/Victor still has a substantial number of loyal
> >fans -- his departure would hurt the show significantly, IMO, but not
> >because nobody else could play the role as well or as effectively.
queenie:
> Count me in as one of Victor's fans. Victor and Nikki never get old
> to me but then I like Sheila in all of her reincarnations.
I like Victor and Nikki...together, even if they're arguing. You could
always feel their deep love for one another, despite their faults.
When apart, they were frequently shown longing for each other. I hate
the way he's always berating her now. Why, after ALL THOSE YEARS and
ALL THOSE prior break-ups and reunions, does he have all that
animosity for her NOW? He used to tell Nick that Sharon was "the
mother of his children", but he treats Nikki like dirt. I hate it. And
no, they don't have to be "boring" if they're together.
I won't get started on Sheila!
;-)
Shirl
Cheri
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> I'll be honest here. I still hold out hope that HT will reprise the role
> some day.
>
> Dave - Toronto
Bite your fingers!
Cheri
Cheri
>
> Heather had AMAZING chemistry with Christian Leblanc.
Not!!!
Cheri
Dave
>
> Heather had AMAZING chemistry with Christian Leblanc.
>
> Had she stayed, I'm sure it would have been Michael-Victoria, not
> Michael-Lauren.
Yeah...I remember that chemistry. That would have been an explosive love
affair with many different storyline possibilities springing from it.
Victor likes and trusts Michael (though apparently not enough to offer him a
board seat)....but would he have accepted him as a son-in-law?? Who am I
kidding...Victor accepts no one as a son-in-law.
Dave - Toronto
Dave
Shirl
***
Ok, I'll give you that point. I guess I'm just not seeing the new actress
being able to pull off "uber-bitch" the way Heather Tom could. I'm not
saying the new chick couldn't play that role if it was written for her. I
just think HT is a stronger actress for which the role of Victoria is better
suited.
Dave - Toronto
Dave
"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> I'll be honest here. I still hold out hope that HT will reprise the role
>> some day.
> Bite your fingers!
>
> Cheri
Heh!! I didn't realize there were HT-haters here. I always thought most
everyone preferred her. This is interesting.
Dave - Toronto
record hunter
> "Cheri" <cher...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
Oh, I'm SO glad she's not on the show anymore. I couldn't STAND
Victoria before. She was such a bitch, and did she have another facial
expression than pinched sphincter. One of the most overrated actresses
of all time.
Shirl
> Ok, I'll give you that point. I guess I'm just not seeing the new actress
> being able to pull off "uber-bitch" the way Heather Tom could. I'm not
> saying the new chick couldn't play that role if it was written for her. I
> just think HT is a stronger actress for which the role of Victoria is better
> suited.
I like AH, but I agree with you that HT's Victoria was very different
-- stronger, more in-your-face, a better match for Victor -- than AH's
Victoria.
I think the original team of writers were better at determining how to
write for various actors, taking into consideration their individual
strengths and weaknesses, than those that have followed. JMO -- I
think Gloria was FAR more interesting as a character who was torn
between good and evil than the almost completely evil she has been
since John died; I think Victor and Nikki were far more compelling as
the loves of each others lives who finally acknowledged that they
belonged together even WITH their unchangeable flaws vs. Victor
verbally abusing Nikki and treating her like dirt every chance he
gets; I think Brad was far better and more believable as a guy who
sometimes got caught up in Jack's schemes but who, by soap standards,
was mostly a decent guy vs. the guy who was supposedly running and
hiding for the 20 high-profile years we watched him and who could kill
by thigh-vice without giving it a second thought; I think Kevin *and*
Daniel were both more interesting before Amber and everything since
Amber; and I think Jack was FAR more believable as a maturing-but-
sometimes-over-the-top businessman than as a *sex addict* (how PB got
through those few episodes with a straight face is beyond me!), etc.,
etc.
I was told that one of the biggest parts of a successful formula is
the ability to assess what your actors' strengths and weaknesses and
writing story for them accordingly, like matching up certain types of
music to certain instruments -- in recent years, it seems little
thought has been given to who does what best, and consequently, it's
often like they are trying to play a lullaby on a tuba or hard rock on
a cello.
Shirl
Shirl
> Oh, I'm SO glad she's not on the show anymore. I couldn't STAND
> Victoria before. She was such a bitch, and did she have another facial
> expression than pinched sphincter. One of the most overrated actresses
> of all time.
I don't think HT was overrated -- I think she did a really good job
with material that she was well-suited for and vice versa. For a lot
of that story, she WAS a bi*ch! She could be one of the coldest,
haughty-taughty, bitchiest young girls around -- she WAS, after all,
Victor NEWMAN's daughter, and she USED that to her advantage whenever
she felt like it! I remember how she bossed Ryan and Neil around when
she was head of Brash and Sassy and how she would get on the phone and
bark orders in a rude, obnoxious way JUST LIKE Victor. But she also
had a vulnerable, little girl side and, when it would emerge, she
could have me crying with her in a nanosecond.
AH's Victoria hasn't been written that well, IMO ... I don't think she
has been given anywhere near as much quality story to work with (JMO).
Shirl (is it just me, or are the Google words sometimes IMPOSSIBLE to
read?)
Cheri
> record hunter:
>> Oh, I'm SO glad she's not on the show anymore. I couldn't STAND
>> Victoria before. She was such a bitch, and did she have another facial
>> expression than pinched sphincter. One of the most overrated actresses
>> of all time.
>
> I don't think HT was overrated -- I think she did a really good job
> with material that she was well-suited for and vice versa. For a lot
> of that story, she WAS a bi*ch! She could be one of the coldest,
> haughty-taughty, bitchiest young girls around -- she WAS, after all,
> Victor NEWMAN's daughter, and she USED that to her advantage whenever
> she felt like it! I remember how she bossed Ryan and Neil around when
> she was head of Brash and Sassy and how she would get on the phone and
> bark orders in a rude, obnoxious way JUST LIKE Victor. But she also
> had a vulnerable, little girl side and, when it would emerge, she
> could have me crying with her in a nanosecond.
It's the actress for me. Couldn't stand her on Y&R, can't stand her on B&B.
She just has an unpleasant look on her face at all times, as RH said...close
to pinched sphincter expression. :-)
> Shirl (is it just me, or are the Google words sometimes IMPOSSIBLE to
> read?)
No, it's not just you. Sometimes they are absolutely ridiculous and
unreadable.
record hunter
> Shirl (is it just me, or are the Google words sometimes IMPOSSIBLE to
> read?)
I don't have to do them anymore when posting here, but I was trying to
get someone's e-mail address, and yeah, I had to click three
Googlewords before I got one I could read.
Shirl
> I don't have to do them anymore when posting here, but I was trying to
> get someone's e-mail address, and yeah, I had to click three
> Googlewords before I got one I could read.
Thank you (Cheri, too). I was thinking maybe my old eyes were really
getting a lot worse!
Seems silly to ask you to type a word you can't even read, doesn't it?
Shirl
MarkH
I often have to take 2-3 tries. Google does it so that no computer
with optical character recognition can remotely guess the word. This
is done to avoid spambots, and I'm basically thankful for it...even if
it is a hassle.
RH is right. After a certain number of posts under a given email
address, Google realizes you're "good", and stops bothering you with
the words. So just keep posting heavily.
ravelation
shin...@gmail.com (Shirl) wrote:
> Jess has been there for over TWO
>DECADES. Bond Gideon and Deborah
>Adair weren't in the role long enough to
>make them irreplaceable, IMO.
I remember DA being really good in the role and sorry when they replaced
her with Brenda Dickson again. I always liked BD, but she was *so* over
the top campy, that I really appreciated DA's softer Jill.
Ravl
record hunter
Shirl
> I often have to take 2-3 tries. Google does it so that no computer
> with optical character recognition can remotely guess the word. This
> is done to avoid spambots, and I'm basically thankful for it...even if
> it is a hassle.
Yeah, I know why they do it. It's still annoying to have to try 3x
before you get one you can even READ.
> RH is right. After a certain number of posts under a given email
> address, Google realizes you're "good", and stops bothering you with
> the words. So just keep posting heavily.
They haven't stopped bothering me yet, and I think I post pretty
frequently, especially when there's a "hot debate" going on! Even when
I've posted numerous times in the same day without logging out, it
still often takes 3 tries to get a readable word. Damned annoying.
Shirl
Shirl
> I remember DA being really good in the role and sorry when they replaced
> her with Brenda Dickson again. I always liked BD, but she was *so* over
> the top campy, that I really appreciated DA's softer Jill.
I usually don't care much for campy, but I liked BD in the role, maybe
because she was the original Jill. But when you see how much she
actually towned DOWN the campy *for the role*, wow, that's pretty
weird, huh?
;-)
Shirl
queenie
wrote:
I agree. Leblanc's chemistry with Lauren isn't all that hot either.
Pat Wadley
On Mar 31, 4:51 pm, Shirl <shinn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> rh, I think it would be really bad for the show to do it now, but
> there was a time when I absolutely could have seen a Victor recast
> working very well. EB has banked on the notion that he is the only
> person who can effectively play that role...when you consider all the
> risks TPTB have taken over the years, I wish they would have taken
> that one. There's nothing THAT extraordinary about the character of
> Victor Newman that another competent actor couldn't have handled at
> least as well if not better.
While other actors could play other strong men ... EB DEFINES the
Victor role. Nobody else could play Victor. Nobody. Ever.
***********************************************************************
I have been thinking about this. You are right, Eric Braeden defines the
Victor role. BUT if they needed another Victor type character, if Victor
were to die or leave or whatever, I can think of only one person who could
fill that role. Only one person who could bring the quiet authority, the
total disregard for other people, the one person who could manipulate and
control and that is Brad.
Now think about it, the only person who has ever been able to get Brad is
Victor. Brad has out maneuvered everyone else on that show. The only time
he has failed is when he didn't quite have enough control. Not quite enough
power, but he managed to do as much as Victor did without as much power.
If he had the money Victor has then he would be another Victor.
And I think that is why Victor hates Brad so much. And I think that is
really why Victoria left him.
my2cents
p
Nyssa
I was thinking that Ji Min Kim could have become
a counterpoint to TGVN. Another big shot international
corporate type to battle for this deal, that
woman, or the other rush-to-market new product.
Plus the actor was a real find and could do
sexy, classy, or boardroom manipulations with
ease and believability. It was such a waste
to kill the character off and for absolutely
no good purpose in the overall scheme of the
storylines.
Nyssa, who would much rather see Ji Min battle
Newmans than Tyra and Ana doing anything at all
Pat Wadley
"Nyssa" <Ny...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:grb8qp$hg4$1...@aioe.org...
>
> Nyssa, who would much rather see Ji Min battle
> Newmans than Tyra and Ana doing anything at all
>
I am so glad to know that I am not the only one who finds Tyra and Ana
boring, tiresome, irritating and totally without redeeming qualities,
though, for a short time I was thinking that there might be something
interesting. The only thing that happened though, was to show what a total
hypocrite Neil is and always has been.
my2cents
p
MarkH
>
> I am so glad to know that I am not the only one who finds Tyra and Ana
> boring, tiresome, irritating and totally without redeeming qualities,
> though, for a short time I was thinking that there might be something
> interesting. The only thing that happened though, was to show what a total
> hypocrite Neil is and always has been.
>
> my2cents
> p
I agree with every single word you have written in this paragraph
queenie
queenie
For me it was too much of them at the beginning. Ana and Tyra were
joined at the hip--in practically every scene together. Two new
comers at the same time who were always together and one of them was
always singing and the other one had distracting oily looking lips. I
haven't been able to stand them since.
record hunter
> On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:03:55 -0700 (PDT), MarkH
>
Am I ever going to be able to look at her without going first for her
"oily looking lips"? Ewwww.