I am familiar with Robin Stassar's work as Dorian and have collected enough
testimonials about how Dorian was while played by the original actress, Nancy
Pinkterton.
Can someone here tell me about Elaine Princi's time in the role. What was she
like? What did she bring to the role? What was her demeanor? What was
Dorian's personality/vibe like while Elaine had her. Did you like her/hate
her? Anyone else have any fond accounts or gripes that they can share about
EP's time on OLTL?
Also, this goes out to loooong time One Life viewers who can remember Clair
Malis (Dorian #2). Same question. What was she like as Dorian? I never hear
anyone say zilch about her version. Guess she's the forgotten Dorian.
Thanx much.
~~ Final question, this one is not really much more than a topic starter but if
all four actresses (NP, CM, RS, EP) were available to return as Dorian. Who
would YOU rather see reclaim back the role and why?
>Also, this goes out to loooong time One Life viewers who can remember Clair
>Malis (Dorian #2). Same question. What was she like as Dorian? I never
>hear
>anyone say zilch about her version. Guess she's the forgotten Dorian.
There are probably good reasons for this, too. Claire Malis was a perfectly
competent actress, probably even a good one, but she didn't have Nancy
Pinkerton's bite or formidability, and instead of coming across like hell on
wheels, as Pinkerton's Dorian had, Malis's seemed sort of fecklessly
malevolent. Dorian was there, she was in the stories and mixing it up with
Viki, with Joe, with Larry, but she just wasn't the force she had been. Then
Strasser came in, and although her interpretation was rather different from
Pinkerton's, she very quickly made Dorian a force in Llanview again.
If Malis is, as you say, the forgotten Dorian, it's because she was sandwiched
between two very distinctive actresses who imprinted Dorian with their own
styles and strong characterizations, whereas Malis never really put her mark on
the role. She never made most viewers (I would guess--I haven't talked to many
people who even have been watching long enough to remember her, but I'm
assuming most viewers had a similar reaction to mine) forget or stop regretting
the loss of Pinkerton, and then Strasser came in right after her and made such
a strong impression so quickly that most viewers pretty much forgot there had
even been a Dorian between Pinkerton and Strasser. I mean, for example, I can
remember certain Pinkerton Dorian scenes vividly, even a quarter of a century
later, and most of us can come up with very distinctive Strasser Dorian scenes
we remember, but I can't recall a single Malis Dorian scene--and she was on the
show for, I think, two years, and was used heavily in the story while she was
on.
From what I remember, Malis seemed to know how to act, but she just wasn't a
good fit for the role of Dorian.
Michael
> I mean, for example, I can
>remember certain Pinkerton Dorian scenes vividly, even a quarter of a century
>later, and most of us can come up with very distinctive Strasser Dorian
>scenes
>we remember,
What are some of the Pinkerton scenes you recall? I'd love to hear them. In the
photos she looks so much like Grayson Hall circa 1967, and very different from
Strasser.
SRG, Creator of Rich Chocolate...(A Decadently Delicious Affair)
Visit the world of Rich Chocolate, where image is everything, but nothing and
no one is what or who they seem...
=There are probably good reasons for this, too. Claire Malis was a perfectly
=competent actress, probably even a good one, but she didn't have Nancy
=Pinkerton's bite or formidability, and instead of coming across like hell on
=wheels, as Pinkerton's Dorian had, Malis's seemed sort of fecklessly
=malevolent. Dorian was there, she was in the stories and mixing it up with
=Viki, with Joe, with Larry, but she just wasn't the force she had been. Then
=Strasser came in, and although her interpretation was rather different from
=Pinkerton's, she very quickly made Dorian a force in Llanview again.
=
=If Malis is, as you say, the forgotten Dorian, it's because she was sandwiched
=between two very distinctive actresses who imprinted Dorian with their own
=styles and strong characterizations, whereas Malis never really put her mark on
=the role. She never made most viewers (I would guess--I haven't talked to many
=people who even have been watching long enough to remember her, but I'm
=assuming most viewers had a similar reaction to mine) forget or stop regretting
=the loss of Pinkerton, and then Strasser came in right after her and made such
=a strong impression so quickly that most viewers pretty much forgot there had
=even been a Dorian between Pinkerton and Strasser. I mean, for example, I can
=remember certain Pinkerton Dorian scenes vividly, even a quarter of a century
=later, and most of us can come up with very distinctive Strasser Dorian scenes
=we remember, but I can't recall a single Malis Dorian scene--and she was on the
=show for, I think, two years, and was used heavily in the story while she was
=on.
=
=From what I remember, Malis seemed to know how to act, but she just wasn't a
=good fit for the role of Dorian.
Malis was my first Dorian. I thought she played her more wounded and
misguided than anything else. When Strasser started, she picked up on
that, but then channeled the pain into incredible strength. I thoroughly
enjoyed Malis' work, but Strasser certainly raised the character to new
highs.
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I remember her so many of her scenes vividly too. She was a powerful
character and was my main reason for watching OLTL for a while there.
Some of her most memorable work, I guess, was her affair w/ Tommy Lee Jones
as the starting-off-heroic Dr. Mark Toland. Their adulterous affair scenes
were hot stuff, let me tell you. Those two were on fire together. NP Dorian
was tremendously seductive in a black widow sort of way.
I'll never forget her scenes fighting for her job at the hospital when she
came under fire for the affair w/ Mark and whatever negligence of theirs
that contributed to the death of the terminally ill Rachel Wilson, w/ whom
lonely Larry Wolek was smitten. She tried so valiantly to maintain composure
and dignity while she made a plaintive case to Viki and to Dr. Craig. The
scene of Dr. Craig coming to her after the board vote to give her the news
that she was being expelled is burned in my memory. She was crushed, it was
plain to see, but fought to hold on to the personal dignity as she took the
news. Her request to know how the vote went was refused by Dr. Craig, who
was clearly sympathetic but said the vote had to remain confidential. She
mistakenly, and tragically, took this to mean the vote was unanimous, an
especially stinging thought as it would mean her private case to Viki fell
upon deaf ears. Her bitterness over this is what fueled her years of feuding
and rivalry w/ Viki, all the more tragically ironic in that Dorian never
knew Viki alone voted to save Dorian's post.
I remember how she returned home to her sister Melinda after Jim fired her,
her pain and humiliation building to fury. Trying to be comforting, Melinda
suggested maybe not everyone voted w/ the decision and Dorian said they must
have because Jim would have given her at least the satisfaction to know it
was not unanimous. But Dorian was wrong...she underestimated how exactingly
Jim executed his grim duty as chief of medicine. The ballot was to be
secret, and Jim would never betray this necessity.
Melinda asked her sister what would she do, and Dorian looked off at the
camera, her eyes shining w/ the tears she held back as she stated in a
steely, icy firmness that belied the fires burning behind her promise: "What
will I do?" she repeated. "I'll get even w/ them...each and every last one
of them!"
She was a very effective soap villian. Her plots usually succeeded, even
when forced to take a circuitous route. She manipulated things very
cleverly, seldom missing the mark. She was smart, decisive, effective,
strong and surprisingly passionate when she unleashed her seductive powers.
Those were the days when soap writers knew how to design and deliver strong,
solid female villians, w/ multi-dimension and nuances. <sigh>
Natasha
>She [Dorian as played by Nancy Pinkerton] was a very effective soap villian.
Her plots usually succeeded, even
>when forced to take a circuitous route. She manipulated things very
>cleverly, seldom missing the mark. She was smart, decisive, effective,
>strong and surprisingly passionate when she unleashed her seductive powers.
This is what I remember too. (Also, NP could be absolutely *chilling* in her
cold-blooded, calculating fury.) Unlike today's villains, who come across
generally as bothersome little gnats who could reasonably be stopped if anyone
would bother to swat them hard enough, Dorian plotted cleverly and worked hard
to make her schemes come off, and since she was, as you said, generally
effective at pulling them off, she was a villainness folks couldn't just
discount. People in Llanview had good reason to sit up and take notice of her
wherever and whenever she showed up.
I was 15 or 16 when I started watching. Pinkerton's Dorian actually used to
scare me.
Malis tried hard, but she just did not have that glint-in-the-eye,
knife-in-the-back, ice-in-the-heart mien and delivery that made Pinkerton's
Dorian so formidable. Malis's Dorian just came off, as I said previously, as
feckless and aimlessly malevolent, rather than focused, directed, and
determined, as Pinkerton's was.
Then Strasser's was a different interpretation yet, with a lot more
vulnerability showing through than Pinkerton's, but it worked, and Dorian
became a force again--if a force of a somewhat different kind.
>Those were the days when soap writers knew how to design and deliver strong,
>solid female villians, w/ multi-dimension and nuances. <sigh>
>
I'll match your sigh and raise you two. Of course, when soap writers' solution
to the how-to-write-a-villain(ness) challenge is to make everyone around the
villain(ness) stupid to the nth degree to drive the plot, it doesn't make for
the kind of fascinating, infuriating, genuinely menacing villain(nesse)s of
yesteryear. What amazes me is how today's writers and producers don't get that
a really good villain(ness), who has to work hard and contrive carefully to
make his/her plots work, can actually make you feel sympathy for the
protagonists on whom he/she sets his/her sights. On the other hand, when
everything falls into the villain's hands oh-so-easily, as though he/she (and
only he/she) leads a charmed life, and when Mr. Hero and Ms. Heroine act like
total idiots, it's just . . . boring: you just wish they'd all go away. How
different it was when Mr. Hero and Ms. Heroine acted like intelligent and
(usually) decent people, but Mr. Villain and/or Ms. Villainness really had to
come up with a good plot, involving lots of careful manipulation and brain work
(with perhaps an *occasional* lucky break), to put one over on Mr. Hero and Ms.
Heroine. Great drama, or at least great melodrama, could come from that.
Michael
<snip memories>
Wow, thanks, that was above and beyond anything I expected. If you remembered
that much, Nancy must have been staggering.
I always wished they had done a story about Dorian resuming interest in
medicine. She rarely even mentioned her doctor past...I think she mentioned it
once or twice when the Labines were writing.
>
>I'll match your sigh and raise you two. Of course, when soap writers'
>solution
>to the how-to-write-a-villain(ness) challenge is to make everyone around the
>villain(ness) stupid to the nth degree to drive the plot, it doesn't make for
>the kind of fascinating, infuriating, genuinely menacing villain(nesse)s of
>yesteryear. What amazes me is how today's writers and producers don't get
>that
>a really good villain(ness), who has to work hard and contrive carefully to
>make his/her plots work, can actually make you feel sympathy for the
>protagonists on whom he/she sets his/her sights. On the other hand, when
>everything falls into the villain's hands oh-so-easily, as though he/she (and
>only he/she) leads a charmed life, and when Mr. Hero and Ms. Heroine act like
>total idiots, it's just . . . boring: you just wish they'd all go away. How
>different it was when Mr. Hero and Ms. Heroine acted like intelligent and
>(usually) decent people, but Mr. Villain and/or Ms. Villainness really had to
>come up with a good plot, involving lots of careful manipulation and brain
>work
>(with perhaps an *occasional* lucky break), to put one over on Mr. Hero and
>Ms.
>Heroine. Great drama, or at least great melodrama, could come from that.
The problem with villains now is that they are thought of only in the short
term. Even long-term stories have short-term planning by the writers ("we'll
have so-and-so fake a pregnancy and then she can fake a miscarriage so that the
poor chump will stay with her even longer!"). The soaps don't think about how
to keep the villains redeemable or malleable. This leaves them with cartoons
like Caleb on PC, Lindsay (saved only by Cat Hickland) or Jen on OLTL, or, back
on AW, Grant. Villains are designed only to further plots, to be plot devices,
and their own feelings or beliefs are as one-note/cartoonish as you can get.
At times there is also a tone, especially with villainesses, of "isn't she just
TERRIBLE, you HAVE to watch her", because fans are supposed to be shocked and
enthralled by what this crazy person will get away with next. This was
definitely the intention with Jen, considering all the scenes of Jen smirking
for the camera where only the viewers could see her. But as you said, if the
good characters are made into saps solely for the bad character to triumph,
there's no reason to care. I can't remember the last time I saw an effective
villain or villainess who did not have to be surrounded by morons. It says a
lot about how smart OLTL's good set are now that only two of the "evil"
characters like Todd and Shawna were allowed to expose Jen's manipulations.
>What did she bring to the role?
She brought nothing original to the role. They made her up to look like Robin
Strasser and she basically imitated her. Think of it this way, "Elaine Princi
as Robin Strasser playing Dorian Lord."
Viki:
Gillian Spenser
Joanne Dorian
Erika Slezak
Blair:
Mia Korf
Kassie DePaiva
Max:
James DePaiva
Nicholas Walker
Dorian:
Nancy Pinkerton
Claire Malis
Robin Strasser
Elaine Princi
Cristian:
Yorlin Madera
David Fumero
Sam:
Kale Brown
Larry Lau
Tina:
Andrea Evans
Kelli Maroney
Marsha Clark
Karen Witter
Krista Tesreau
Kevin Buchanan:
Morgan K. Melis
Chris Cunningham
Ryan Janis
Matthew Vipond
Joey Thrower
Kirk Geiger
Jack Armstrong
Ken Kenitzer
Kevin Stapleton
Timothy Gibbs
Cassie:
Cusi Cram
Ava Haddad
Holly Gagnier
Laura Koffman
Al:
Evan Bonifant
Michael Roman
Eddie Karr
Jason Alexander Fischer
Michael Tipps
Nathaniel Marston
Joey:
Ryan Morris
John Paul Learn
Chris McKenna
Nathan Fillion
Don Jeffcoat
Rachel:
Ellen Bethea
Mari Morrow
Sandra P. Grant
Michelle wrote:
> Which actors did you think best fit the role?
>
> Viki:
> Gillian Spenser
> Joanne Dorian
> Erika Slezak
ES is the only Viki I've really known.
> Blair:
> Mia Korf
> Kassie DePaiva
Hmm, tough one! I dislike Kassie (as an actress, not a person ;) but she's had
the role so much longer than MK did. I think MK's Blair was a little tougher,
though, and I liked her. Can't picture her with Todd for a minute, though!
> Max:
> James DePaiva
> Nicholas Walker
Ugh. I'm also no fan of JdP, but did Nicholas Walker really make an impression
on *anyone*? I'll have to abstain from voting on this one!
> Dorian:
> Nancy Pinkerton
> Claire Malis
> Robin Strasser
> Elaine Princi
I loved Robin's Dorian.
> Cristian:
> Yorlin Madera
> David Fumero
Oh, how I miss Yorlin Madera! When I started watching again after being absent a
few years, I could not believe they picked a new actor who was so completely
unlike him. He was so genuine in his scenes with Carlotta, and I loved the
budding romance between him and Jess back in the beginning.
> Sam:
> Kale Brown
> Larry Lau
I only saw Kale Brown once or twice as Sam, because I wasn't watching regularly
when the Rappa-Davidsons were invented. But I very much dislike the character as
he is now, and I don't think Larry Lau has chemistry with *anyone* in the cast.
> Tina:
> Andrea Evans
> Kelli Maroney
> Marsha Clark
> Karen Witter
> Krista Tesreau
Andrea, definitely.
> Kevin Buchanan:
> Morgan K. Melis
> Chris Cunningham
> Ryan Janis
> Matthew Vipond
> Joey Thrower
> Kirk Geiger
> Jack Armstrong
> Ken Kenitzer
> Kevin Stapleton
> Timothy Gibbs
You know, I have no idea which Kevin was which. All I remember is that I hated
Suspender Boy, whichever one he was. Kevin was always a non-entity for me - I
was never interested in him one way or the other.
> Cassie:
> Cusi Cram
> Ava Haddad
> Holly Gagnier
> Laura Koffman
No real opinon here. Cassie was another of those non-entity characters for me.
> Al:
> Evan Bonifant
> Michael Roman
> Eddie Karr
> Jason Alexander Fischer
> Michael Tipps
> Nathaniel Marston
Well, I adore Nate Marston. I think he's a fine actor who has brought a lot of
dimension to the role. I hope he gets much better writing under the new regime
and that we see a lot more of Al acting like a relatively mature adult.
> Joey:
> Ryan Morris
> John Paul Learn
> Chris McKenna
> Nathan Fillion
> Don Jeffcoat
Nathan Fillion will *always* be Joey in my eyes!
> Rachel:
> Ellen Bethea
> Mari Morrow
> Sandra P. Grant
I loved Ellen Bethea. She had great chemistry with HBS, I thought.
--Kathy
Have only known Erika as Viki, so she gets it by default.
>Blair:
>Mia Korf
>Kassie DePaiva
I think I like the first Blair a tad bit more, but Kassie has made the role her
own.
>Max:
>James DePaiva
>Nicholas Walker
I only know Max with James at the helm.
>Dorian:
>Nancy Pinkerton
>Claire Malis
>Robin Strasser
>Elaine Princi
Robin.
>Cristian:
>Yorlin Madera
>David Fumero
Yorlin all the way. I miss him and his babyface.
>Sam:
>Kale Brown
>Larry Lau
Larry Lau. I didn't like Kale's Sam at all. He was too relaxed and easy
going, whereas Larry put more intensity in the role. I'll miss him.
>Tina:
>Andrea Evans
>Kelli Maroney
>Marsha Clark
>Karen Witter
>Krista Tesreau
Even though everyone identifies Tina with Andrea, I never got to see her in the
role. My first Tina had Karen's face, and she was a doll! I loved her kooky
but sweet behavior. Krista was blah! She ruined Tina by being kooky and
bitchy/airheaded.
>Kevin Buchanan:
>Morgan K. Melis
>Chris Cunningham
>Ryan Janis
>Matthew Vipond
>Joey Thrower
>Kirk Geiger
>Jack Armstrong
>Ken Kenitzer
>Kevin Stapleton
>Timothy Gibbs
So many came and went, I can barely say. I guess Kevin Stapleton. I resented
every moment Tim Gibbs was called Kevin.
>Cassie:
>Cusi Cram
>Ava Haddad
>Holly Gagnier
>Laura Koffman
I only know Laura as Cassie.
>Al:
>Evan Bonifant
>Michael Roman
>Eddie Karr
>Jason Alexander Fischer
>Michael Tipps
>Nathaniel Marston
Nate!
>Joey:
>Ryan Morris
>John Paul Learn
>Chris McKenna
>Nathan Fillion
>Don Jeffcoat
I'm gonna go against the grain and say Don. Unlike most people, I liked the
wet behind the ears babyface and goofy persona he gave to Joey. I think he
embodied everything to compliment Joey being "the sensitive middle child."
>Rachel:
>Ellen Bethea
>Mari Morrow
>Sandra P. Grant
Ellen Bethea, followed very closely by Mari.
>Max:
>James DePaiva
(I don't know the other one either, but WTF)
>Cristian:
>Yorlin Madera
>Sam:
>Larry Lau
>Tina:
>Andrea Evans
>Kevin Buchanan:
>Kirk Geiger
>Cassie:
>Laura Koffman
>Al:
>Jason Alexander Fischer
>Joey:
>Chris McKenna
>Rachel:
>Ellen Bethea
my .02,
~!*jase*!~
"'Chumbawumba'?! What the hell is that?!" -- the intrepid Lindsey Rappaport,
OLTL, 3/13/02
"That motherfucker R.J. bought the last donuts, didn't he? DIDN'T HE?"
That same thing happened to me. I stopped watching maybe for a year or so and
when I came back, Fumero had claimed the role. I thought it was weird. DF
tried to leave the show in 2001 but was convinced to stay until this year, I
think. When his contract comes up, I hope they let him go and consider
inviting Yorlin back.
LifeInLlanview
------------------------
* site coming soon *
ES. She's the only Viki I know.
>
> Blair:
> Mia Korf
> Kassie DePaiva
>
MK. And it's not just my current annoyance at Blair...;) Kassie was,
and will always be, miscast in this role, IMO. Sometimes a character's
personality can be tweaked to fit the actor and it's a success. It was
done with Robin Strasser's Dorian who was a schemer, but a lightweight
compared to Nancy Pinkerton-- whose Dorian was pretty humorless but
very convincing in the cold, calculated version she played.
> Max:
> James DePaiva
> Nicholas Walker
This is a tough one. I think if NW had been allowed to stay, he would
have grown on me as Max. My complaints about JD's Max have been
legion, but they are all regarding the character, not the actor.
>
> Dorian:
> Nancy Pinkerton
> Claire Malis
> Robin Strasser
> Elaine Princi
NP, of course!
>
> Cristian:
> Yorlin Madera
> David Fumero
YM. He added a sweetness to Cristian that disappeared when they
decided to ditch him and go for the beefcake. Too bad. He and Erin
were far more believable as a young couple in love.
>
> Sam:
> Kale Brown
> Larry Lau
LL.
>
> Tina:
> Andrea Evans
> Kelli Maroney
> Marsha Clark
> Karen Witter
> Krista Tesreau
Hey, this isn't fair! I don't even recognize two of those names... But
my #1 Tina is AE.
> Kevin Buchanan:
> Morgan K. Melis
> Chris Cunningham
> Ryan Janis
> Matthew Vipond
> Joey Thrower
> Kirk Geiger
> Jack Armstrong
> Ken Kenitzer
> Kevin Stapleton
> Timothy Gibbs
Narrowing this list down to the adult Kevins, I'll chose KG.
>
> Cassie:
> Cusi Cram
> Ava Haddad
> Holly Gagnier
> Laura Koffman
AH.
>
> Al:
> Evan Bonifant
> Michael Roman
> Eddie Karr
> Jason Alexander Fischer
> Michael Tipps
> Nathaniel Marston
NM; again voting on adult Al.
>
> Joey:
> Ryan Morris
> John Paul Learn
> Chris McKenna
> Nathan Fillion
> Don Jeffcoat
NF.
>
> Rachel:
> Ellen Bethea
> Mari Morrow
> Sandra P. Grant
SG. I think she was the best actress of the three; Rachel wasn't as
pablum when she played her. EB put me to sleep, and MM was
frightening...
kaci
Boy, there was a passel of 'em, huh?
All I remember is that I hated
> Suspender Boy, whichever one he was.
I think that was Kevin Stapleton. Jack Armstrong (or Ken Kenitzer) was
an adult Kevin-- but if you blinked you missed either of them. IIRC,
JA was the one Tori(?) clunked over the head with a vase before she
burned down Llanfair. He did a dazed pirouette and then fell to the
floor. I just remember he was horribly, horribly bad, and blond.
Correct me on the details.
kaci
>
>Which actors did you think best fit the role?
>
>Viki:
>Gillian Spenser
>Joanne Dorian
>Erika Slezak
I've only seen Erika, although I probably would have preferred Gillian if I
ever saw her.
>
>
>Blair:
>Mia Korf
>Kassie DePaiva
Kassie, by a wide margin. Mia's Blair was quite icy and remote, and I could
never care about her. Kassie has her *out there* moments, yes, but I think she
has handled a lot of crapola writing better than Mia would have.
>
>Max:
>James DePaiva
>Nicholas Walker
I don't remember Nicholas or if I ever saw him, but I'll still pick him over
Jim, because he annoys me most of the time.
>
>Dorian:
>Nancy Pinkerton
>Claire Malis
>Robin Strasser
>Elaine Princi
Elaine...eh. I never saw Nancy or Claire. Robin was indescribable, the life
force of the show at some points of her tenure. I miss her Dorian every day.
>
>Cristian:
>Yorlin Madera
>David Fumero
David. I just never liked Yorlin that much.
>
>Sam:
>Kale Brown
>Larry Lau
Neither.
>
>
>Tina:
>Andrea Evans
>Kelli Maroney
>Marsha Clark
>Karen Witter
>Krista Tesreau
>
Of the two I saw, Karen.
>
>
>Kevin Buchanan:
>Morgan K. Melis
>Chris Cunningham
>Ryan Janis
>Matthew Vipond
>Joey Thrower
>Kirk Geiger
>Jack Armstrong
>Ken Kenitzer
>Kevin Stapleton
>Timothy Gibbs
Kevin or Kirk. Maybe Kirk by a hair.
>
>Cassie:
>Cusi Cram
>Ava Haddad
>Holly Gagnier
>Laura Koffman
>
Only saw Laura.
>
>Al:
>Evan Bonifant
>Michael Roman
>Eddie Karr
>Jason Alexander Fischer
>Michael Tipps
>Nathaniel Marston
>
No real contest, since 4 of these actors were children and Tipps only real
skill would probably lie in underwear modeling. Nate, hands down.
>
>Joey:
>Ryan Morris
>John Paul Learn
>Chris McKenna
>Nathan Fillion
>Don Jeffcoat
Don's Joey was a whiny wimp, and that sort of flew in the face of everything a
Buchanan (or a Lord or Riley for that matter) should be. Chris was wonderful,
but Nathan, who ties with Tuc Watkins as the sex god of OLTL for me (remember
when the eye candy could ACT? Those were the days), wins this easily.
>
>
>Rachel:
>Ellen Bethea
>Mari Morrow
>Sandra P. Grant
>
Ellen Bethea! Mari made her some type of boring minx and Sandra helped make
Rachel a pathetic sadsack. The talk show confrontation, the endless massages
with equally dysfunctional Tea, the generally whiny demeanor, not a good era
for Rachel. The most disturbing part of Georgie beating Rachel with the
telephone was that some of her words rang a bit too true. I wasn't sorry to see
Sandra go...too bad OLTL basically banished Rachel afterwards.
Which one was the model they hired that was so awful he was fired almost
immediately? I had thought it was Ken Kenitzer, but...
Yes, you are correct. He was on about a week.
Chris
"I never thought I'd say this, but Lindsay didn't do it." - Nora Buchanan,
7/16/01
That was Ken. He was the airhead fratboy type who could barely speak.
1994-1996 were a revolving door of Kevins every other month. It seemed like
they finally found one viable with KS. I don't understand why JFP fired him
for Tim Gibbs. She should have let KS stay on as Kevin and created a new role
for Gibbs. Perhaps as Colin McIver. *shrug*
>
>All I remember is that I hated
>> Suspender Boy, whichever one he was.
>
>I think that was Kevin Stapleton. Jack Armstrong (or Ken Kenitzer) was
>an adult Kevin-- but if you blinked you missed either of them. IIRC,
>JA was the one Tori(?) clunked over the head with a vase before she
>burned down Llanfair. He did a dazed pirouette and then fell to the
>floor. I just remember he was horribly, horribly bad, and blond.
>Correct me on the details.
Jack also wore suspenders fairly often, IIRC. He's much more intentionally
funny on the soap opera parody which is in the special features for the 28 Days
(Sandra Bullock movie) DVD.
Who was playing Cassie when she was involved with Mitch Lawrence's cult and
stole Dorian's boyfriend? Was that the Cassie who wrote the wedding dress with
the huge cleavage? I know that some fans told me they always hated Cassie after
that period (due to the Dorian business).
Oh, and I was wondering what the reaction of some of you the first time you saw
Kassie as Blair. I think mine was, "WTF". Over time I grew to like her, but at
the time, it seemed very Soapdish.
>Which actors did you think best fit the role?
>
>Viki:
>Gillian Spenser
>Joanne Dorian
>Erika Slezak
I loved Gillian Spencer and it took me forever to get used to Erika
Slezak
>
>Blair:
>Mia Korf
>Kassie DePaiva
Kassie DePaiva
>Max:
>James DePaiva
>Nicholas Walker
James DePaiva
>
>Dorian:
>Nancy Pinkerton
>Claire Malis
>Robin Strasser
>Elaine Princi
Robin Strasser
>Cristian:
>Yorlin Madera
>David Fumero
Yorlin Madera. He could actually act.
>
>Sam:
>Kale Brown
>Larry Lau
Kale Brown. I hated his head bobbing, but liked him better than LL.
>
>Tina:
>Andrea Evans
>Kelli Maroney
>Marsha Clark
>Karen Witter
>Krista Tesreau
Andrea Evans. She is Tina to me.
>
>Kevin Buchanan:
>Morgan K. Melis
>Chris Cunningham
>Ryan Janis
>Matthew Vipond
>Joey Thrower
>Kirk Geiger
>Jack Armstrong
>Ken Kenitzer
>Kevin Stapleton
>Timothy Gibbs
>
Kirk Geiger.
>Cassie:
>Cusi Cram
>Ava Haddad
>Holly Gagnier
>Laura Koffman
I pretty much liked all of them, but especially Laura Koffman.
>
>Al:
>Evan Bonifant
>Michael Roman
>Eddie Karr
>Jason Alexander Fischer
>Michael Tipps
>Nathaniel Marston
I guess Nathaniel Marston has grown on me.
>
>Joey:
>Ryan Morris
>John Paul Learn
>Chris McKenna
>Nathan Fillion
>Don Jeffcoat
Nathan Fillion. What a cutie.
>
>Rachel:
>Ellen Bethea
>Mari Morrow
>Sandra P. Grant
Ellen Bethea.
Martha Anderson
Peter J. wrote:
> Jack also wore suspenders fairly often, IIRC. He's much more intentionally
> funny on the soap opera parody which is in the special features for the 28 Days
> (Sandra Bullock movie) DVD.
I think JA might have been Suspender Boy. I remember Suspender Boy was blonde.
The suspenders he seemed to wear daily looked like they had fishing lures on them.
> Oh, and I was wondering what the reaction of some of you the first time you saw
> Kassie as Blair. I think mine was, "WTF". Over time I grew to like her, but at
> the time, it seemed very Soapdish.
LOL! My reaction was exactly the same, except I *didn't* grow to like her over
time. There was a very, very brief period when Todd & Blair first became a real
couple (after the first wedding, maybe?) when they set out to sort of thumb
their noses at the rest of Llanview and flaunt their status as newly rich. Like
"yeah, we're trash, but we have more money than you!" That was sort of fun, but
it didn't last long at all. And since then - ew.
-Kathy
>
>
>That was Ken. He was the airhead fratboy type who could barely speak.
>1994-1996 were a revolving door of Kevins every other month. It seemed like
>they finally found one viable with KS. I don't understand why JFP fired him
>for Tim Gibbs. She should have let KS stay on as Kevin and created a new
>role
>for Gibbs. Perhaps as Colin McIver. *shrug*
She hired him because he's one of her pets. When she was at Santa Barbara, he
played a rapist. Louise Sorel found out that she was supposed to fall in love
with him, even though he had raped her *sister*. When she balked at playing
such a storyline, she was fired. At least I think that was the JFP era.
When JFP was at Another World, he was on the show as an alcoholic, brooding
cop, Gary, and she tried to make him one of the show's stars. Then she got her
job at OLTL and immediately hired him, and since he doesn't exactly have a
range (I much preferred the Gary who replaced him, although few others did),
she made Kevin a brooding drunk. JFP clearly had nothing but disdain for
everything Kevin had ever been, because that didn't fit into the agenda she had
for her great friend Tim.
My guess is that either Tim himself or ABC interference is the only reason she
hasn't hired him for GH yet.
>Oh, and I was wondering what the reaction of some of you the first time you
>saw
>Kassie as Blair.
I still remember her first episode when she was laying in the beach chair with
those hunky guys rubbing her down with tanning lotion and the announcer chimed
in with--"The role of Blair Daimler will now be played by Kassie Wesley). I
thought it was strange because I remembered the first Blair and, well--you
know. I just sorta went with it and over time, she became Blair in my eyes.
When I now think back on the first Blair, it's a little humorous and ironic.
>>Joey:
>>Ryan Morris
>>John Paul Learn
>>Chris McKenna
>>Nathan Fillion
>>Don Jeffcoat
>
>I'm gonna go against the grain and say Don. Unlike most people, I liked the
>wet behind the ears babyface and goofy persona he gave to Joey. I think he
>embodied everything to compliment Joey being "the sensitive middle child."
I would probably not have such a hard time accepting DJ had he followed CM, who
IMO was a younger version of his version, but I just couldn't ever accept Joey
being shruken (sizewise and personalitywise) from the ruggedly masculine NF to
the thick eyebrowed pinup type that was DJ. It was as though he had regressed.
>Which actors did you think best fit the role?
>
>Viki:
>Gillian Spenser
>Joanne Dorian
>Erika Slezak
Erika IS Viki. I can't imagine anyone else playing her.
>Blair:
>Mia Korf
>Kassie DePaiva
I can't decipher between the two. Both played Blair to a degree that was a 180
degree difference from the other. I suppose I'll go with Kassie since she had
more time to cultivate the character in her own style.
>Max:
>James DePaiva
>Nicholas Walker
I only know JdP as Max.
>Dorian:
>Nancy Pinkerton
>Claire Malis
>Robin Strasser
>Elaine Princi
Robin Strasser. Elaine Princi was too Lindsay-esque as Dorian, IMO. I never
saw the other two, but from what I read--I wish I had seen the first NP in
action, she sounds like she was fun.
>Cristian:
>Yorlin Madera
>David Fumero
If I HAD to choose between the two, Yorlin. However, I thought his version of
Cristian was rather, I dunno, 'childish'. It's been awhile and maybe I'm not
remembering clearly, but it always looked like he had an attitude. But I'd
take that over the living dead who is playing him now.
>Sam:
>Kale Brown
>Larry Lau
Laurence Lau all the way. With the picture that was painted of the Rappaports,
and how Sam and Lindsay were so young when they married, KB didn't look the
part, IMO.
>Tina:
>Andrea Evans
>Kelli Maroney
>Marsha Clark
>Karen Witter
>Krista Tesreau
Karen Witter. I know Andrea Evans has been asked back to the show repeatedly
since she left, and I heard that when they were tossing around the idea of
bringing Tina back--it was said that the last two actresses to play her
weren't. KT, I understand. But why not KW? If AE was the best Tina, then
IMHO--KW easily second. The most memorable in the role after her. I think
it's obvious that AE isn't interested in being Tina again, so dagnamit Frank
Valentini, ask KW back!
>Kevin Buchanan:
>Morgan K. Melis
>Chris Cunningham
>Ryan Janis
>Matthew Vipond
>Joey Thrower
>Kirk Geiger
>Jack Armstrong
>Ken Kenitzer
>Kevin Stapleton
>Timothy Gibbs
I'm going to shock everyone and say suspender boy, Jack Armstrong. Not
neccesarily the *best* of the Kevins (though I'd take him over Gibbs), but he
seemed the friendliest of them all. He didn't have that pretentious swager
(which I suppose is part of Kevin's personality) and the habit of mugging for
the camera that the others did.
>Cassie:
>Cusi Cram
>Ava Haddad
>Holly Gagnier
>Laura Koffman
Laura, she's the only face of Cassie I know.
>Al:
>Evan Bonifant
>Michael Roman
>Eddie Karr
>Jason Alexander Fischer
>Michael Tipps
>Nathaniel Marston
NM w/o question. He is so adorable in a non plastic and aestectic way (which
makes him even cuter, IMO) and embodies the talent that a real actor should
have.
>Joey:
>Ryan Morris
>John Paul Learn
>Chris McKenna
>Nathan Fillion
>Don Jeffcoat
NF. He and NM almost remind me of each other.
>Rachel:
>Ellen Bethea
>Mari Morrow
>Sandra P. Grant
Mari Morrow, if only because she looked the part of someone who is biracial.
>She hired him because he's one of her pets. When she was at Santa Barbara, he
>played a rapist. Louise Sorel found out that she was supposed to fall in love
>with him, even though he had raped her *sister*. When she balked at playing
>such a storyline, she was fired. At least I think that was the JFP era.
If I am remembering it correctly, JFP did indeed hire Gibbs and do the rape
storyline, but the execuprod who tried to have Augusta (Louise Sorel's
character) fall in love with her sister's rapist (several years later) was none
other than our favorite ex-Guiding Light execuprod/Sexist Pig/Actress Harasser
of the Decade, Paul Rauch. If memory serves me correctly, there were hints in
the soap press that Rauch and Sorel had been involved when he was EP on OLTL in
the 1980s and she was playing Judith Sanders, and he therefore made a real
effort to make her life miserable when he took over as SB's execuprod in, like,
1991 or 1992.
Michael
>
>If I am remembering it correctly, JFP did indeed hire Gibbs and do the rape
>storyline, but the execuprod who tried to have Augusta (Louise Sorel's
>character) fall in love with her sister's rapist (several years later) was
>none
>other than our favorite ex-Guiding Light execuprod/Sexist Pig/Actress
>Harasser
>of the Decade, Paul Rauch. If memory serves me correctly, there were hints in
>the soap press that Rauch and Sorel had been involved when he was EP on OLTL
>in
>the 1980s and she was playing Judith Sanders, and he therefore made a real
>effort to make her life miserable when he took over as SB's execuprod in,
>like,
>1991 or 1992.
>
Oh. Thanks for the correction. Sounds similar to what he did to Ellen Holly at
OLTL and Maeve Kinkead at GL. He has quite a history apparently.
I remember when I started watching soaps, it was such a delight to discuss the
various storylines and character intwinings with other fans. Now discussing the
various gnarled histories of tyrannical writers/producers seem to be about as
close to entertainment as some of the soaps can provide us.
>
>If I am remembering it correctly, JFP did indeed hire Gibbs and do the rape
>storyline, but the execuprod who tried to have Augusta (Louise Sorel's
>character) fall in love with her sister's rapist (several years later) was
>none
>other than our favorite ex-Guiding Light execuprod/Sexist Pig/Actress
>Harasser
>of the Decade, Paul Rauch. If memory serves me correctly, there were hints in
>the soap press that Rauch and Sorel had been involved when he was EP on OLTL
>in
>the 1980s and she was playing Judith Sanders, and he therefore made a real
>effort to make her life miserable when he took over as SB's execuprod in,
>like,
>1991 or 1992.
By the way, while this subject is still here - why exactly did Rauch have such
animosity for Robin Strasser? Didn't he basically run her off OLTL in the
mid-80's? Was that because of past history when she was Rachel on Another
World?
>I remember when I started watching soaps, it was such a delight to discuss
>the
>various storylines and character intwinings with other fans. Now discussing
>the
>various gnarled histories of tyrannical writers/producers seem to be about as
>close to entertainment as some of the soaps can provide us.
>
I've been saying that for a number of years now. Sad, isn't it?
Michael
>By the way, while this subject is still here - why exactly did Rauch have
>such
>animosity for Robin Strasser? Didn't he basically run her off OLTL in the
>mid-80's? Was that because of past history when she was Rachel on Another
>World?
>
Hmmm. I don't know. DonnaB might.
I'll have to go check my Lemay book to see if Strasser and Rauch even
overlapped at AW. Strasser was there, playing Rachel, when Lemay got to AW in
1971, but she left shortly thereafter, and somebody else was execuprod
initially when Lemay was HW, so it's possible that Rauch and Strasser weren't
at AW at the same time.
I didn't realize Rauch was the reason for Strasser's first departure from OLTL.
Wow. He's second only to GodJilla, isn't he, in terms of the number of Major
Soap Names he's harassed, harangued, or otherwise run off. He might even have
her beat--but then GodJilla's young and has plenty of time to ruin more shows
and run off more talented actors.
Michael
>
>Dorian:
>Robin Strasser
>Cristian:
>Yorlin Madera
>
>Sam:
>Kale Brown
>Tina:
>Andrea Evans
>
>Kevin Buchanan:
>Kevin Stapleton
>
>Cassie:
>Laura Koffman
>
>Al:
>Michael Tipps
>
>Joey:
>Nathan Fillion
>
>Rachel:
>Ellen Bethea
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Viki:
Gillian Spenser
Blair:
Mia Korf
Kassie DePaiva
(i only saw kassie in the role)
Max:
James DePaiva
Nicholas Walker
(i only saw james in the role)
Dorian:
Nancy Pinkerton or
Robin Strasser
( liked both)
Cristian:
Yorlin Madera
David Fumero
(i only saw fumero in the role)
Sam:
Kale Brown
Larry Lau
(i only saw lau in the role)
Tina:
Andrea Evans
(there's only one tina!)
Kevin Buchanan:
Morgan K. Melis
Chris Cunningham
Ryan Janis
Matthew Vipond
(never saw any of these)
Joey Thrower
Kirk Geiger
Jack Armstrong
Ken Kenitzer
Kevin Stapleton
Timothy Gibbs
(never saw any of these)
Cassie:
Cusi Cram
Ava Haddad
Holly Gagnier
Laura Koffman
(dont recall,,,,)
Al:
Evan Bonifant
Michael Roman
Eddie Karr
Jason Alexander Fischer
Michael Tipps
Nathaniel Marston
(only saw last 2 old al better than NuAl
)
Joey:
Ryan Morris
John Paul Learn
Chris McKenna
Nathan Fillion
Don Jeffcoat
(never saw any of these)
Rachel:
Ellen Bethea
Mari Morrow
Sandra P. Grant
(who's rachel?)
> Which actors did you think best fit the role?
>
> Viki:
> Erika Slezak (the only one I know)
>
> Blair:
> Mia Korf
>
> Max:
> James DePaiva
>
> Dorian:
> Robin Strasser
>
> Cristian:
> Yorlin Madera
>
> Sam:
> Kale Brown
>
> Tina:
> Karen Witter
>
> Kevin Buchanan:
> Kevin Stapleton
>
> Cassie:
> Laura Koffman
>
> Al:
> Nathaniel Marston
>
> Joey:
> Nathan Fillion
>
> Rachel:
> Ellen Bethea
> Sandra P. Grant (either)
--S.
>
>I didn't realize Rauch was the reason for Strasser's first departure from
>OLTL.
>Wow. He's second only to GodJilla, isn't he, in terms of the number of Major
>Soap Names he's harassed, harangued, or otherwise run off. He might even have
>her beat--but then GodJilla's young and has plenty of time to ruin more shows
>and run off more talented actors.
>
She's probably beaten his record, given she ran off 3 major actors on GH within
a year and a half, and who knows how many others on the other soaps she's been
at.
I remember reading an interview where Robin mentioned she had a lunch in the
early 90's where she resolved all of her differences with Rauch (which implied
they had big issues at one point), and then she also mentioned him a few years
earlier asking her to return for the Mendorra shoot, promising a lot of money
and a free trip on location to Vienna. She turned him down, she says because of
pilot season, but I wonder if that was the only reason. I've heard people say
that the writing for and even the wardrobe for her during the Rauch era was
hideous, as if he wanted her off the show.
> Which actors did you think best fit the role?
>
> Viki:
While Gillian from what I understand did a stand out performance, most of
us are more familiar with Slezak.
> Blair:
> Kassie DePaiva
>
> Max:
> Nicholas Walker
>
> Dorian:
> Robin Strasser
although Elaine Princi was a good temp replacement
>
> Cristian:
> Yorlin Madera
>
> Sam:
> Kale Brown
>
> Tina:
> Andrea Evans
> and Karen Witter
Thank you! This kid is Al for me.
Erika, because she's the only one I've seen (I wasn't born until 78!). But
I've read and heard that Gillian gave a striking performance.
>
>Blair:
>Mia Korf
>Kassie DePaiva
I really enjoyed Korf towards the end of her role, and her final scene remains
vividly burned into my head. As she was leaving town a ruined woman, she
turned to Asa and yelled, "I'll see you in hell!" Korf said it with such fury
I believed her! On the other hand, Kassie has had the role so long...she never
has been my cup of tea until recently. She was nothing short of mesmerizing
during live week, giving Emmy-caliber performances under the most difficult of
circumstances.
>
>Max:
>James DePaiva
>Nicholas Walker
The role is DePaiva's...Walker was okay, but his Max had no fire. Of course,
nothing about OLTL during that time had any fire...
>
>Dorian:
>Nancy Pinkerton
>Claire Malis
>Robin Strasser
>Elaine Princi
Robin, although I would kill to see tapes of Pinkerton! My mother still talks
about her performance!
>
>Cristian:
>Yorlin Madera
>David Fumero
Yorlin, who delivered such an honest sincere performance backed up by sensitive
writing...Fumero's Cris has been nothing but a bumbling half-dressed idiot
since day one.
>
>Sam:
>Kale Brown
>Larry Lau
I've always hated Sam, so Clark Gable could play him and I wouldn't care. But
I don't buy Lau as looking old enough to have been a FATHER figure to Todd.
>
>Tina:
>Andrea Evans
>Kelli Maroney
>Marsha Clark
>Karen Witter
>Krista Tesreau
Andrea, hands down, although Witter still inmy mind is the best recast of a
popular performer EVER.
>
>Kevin Buchanan:
>Morgan K. Melis
>Chris Cunningham
>Ryan Janis
>Matthew Vipond
>Joey Thrower
>Kirk Geiger
>Jack Armstrong
>Ken Kenitzer
>Kevin Stapleton
>Timothy Gibbs
Kirk Geiger turned in great performances during his time, but the producers got
rid of him because he was too short. Kevin Stapleton eventually grew on me
even though I hated Kevin and Cassie's affair with every bone in my body. But
I didn't hate that affair as much as I hated Timothy Gibbs and the Jill Farren
Phelps version of the character. To this day I hate the character thanks to
them.
>
>Cassie:
>Cusi Cram
>Ava Haddad
>Holly Gagnier
>Laura Koffman
Ava Haddad was good, as was Koffman. Cassie has never been that exciting of a
character...it's a role that can be played by any dark haired actress who can
cry.
>
>Al:
>Evan Bonifant
>Michael Roman
>Eddie Karr
>Jason Alexander Fischer
>Michael Tipps
>Nathaniel Marston
Marston
>
>Joey:
>Ryan Morris
>John Paul Learn
>Chris McKenna
>Nathan Fillion
>Don Jeffcoat
Fillion hands down...I hated Jeffcoat immensely.
>Rachel:
>Ellen Bethea
>Mari Morrow
>Sandra P. Grant
Hard one! Bethea was good, quiet and dignified like Hillary Bailey Smith, yet
strong and believable as the girl who stood by her man when he was accused of
rape. Marrow, an actress who seems to get fired from every job she gets,
didn't make an impression. By the time Grant took over the character had
changed totally, but I enjoyed Grant's electrifying performance as Rachel slid
into drug addiction.
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>Elaine was a good actress, as her work on Days of Our Lives prior to OLTL
>showed.
Whenever I try to get a picture of Elaine Princi in either OLTL or
ATWT back then, I always see Linda from DOOL. That's an image really
burned in. She just pushed other images outta the way!
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