GH: jason's the man [was just Re: Jason]
*bewitched*
monday and tuesday's shows reminded me why i could never really hate
jason. *sigh* what a GOOD guy! he put the best interest of the people he
loves most (and have hurt him the most) ahead of his own feelings. i'm
glad jason isn't the conceited prick i was afraid he'd become. this still
doesn't make up for being such a tease but at least, i know that what we
saw the last 3-4 years has been real... however, wasted.
he convinces the woman he loves to marry someone else. it sounds sick but
at the same time, i feel so bad for him. like he told sonny, "i did it for
carly." i wish she'd lose that bet too but i know there's no way.
no matter what he says, he IS in love w/ carly. his face when they were
saying their vows, was so sad. he actually had to turn away b/c it hurt
THAT much. (anybody remembering when jase put the rings on carly in
their silent ceremony?) he definitely wasn't a borg today. i finally
realized that it's not that he doesn't feel, it's that he chooses to hide
it.
yeah, sonny and carly are hot (as was that kiss) but that's not enough for
me. i want what J & C had... that acceptance, understanding, trust (once
upon a time), and an adoring love that was always more than friendship.
why does jason have to leave us again... now i understand why all the
women in port charles believe in him... b/c he actually DOES fix
everything. or maybe it just seems that way cuz he's been a
sweetie lately. gosh, i hope he doesn't do anything to piss me off again
before he leaves. let us have a good memory of him. not like
before. *shudder*
anyway, i was watching wondering why the heck the newlyweds were eating
practically on the ground. oh... the ottoman. sonny probably suggested
it. kinda cute. i guess i could go for some dessert, but not 'til jason
leaves. i feel guilty, ya know.
btw, is anyone besides me having a hard time decoding what all the looks
and glances btwn J&C and S&C mean? i know mostly what S&C are feeling (the
don't wanna admit love phooey) but it's still confusing. can carly really
be in love w/ them both?
btwII, i didn't realize carly's room is jason's old room. yes, i do
remember that time he got out of the shower and carly was undressed on his
bed ready to seduce him. hee... still makes me laugh. that girl's got
guts, gotta love her. and of course, steve b. looked great in that towel!
until next time the crossposter,
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Tante Joan
<josi...@nunki.usc.edu> wrote:
>
>anyway, i was watching wondering why the heck the newlyweds were eating
>practically on the ground. oh... the ottoman. sonny probably suggested
>it. kinda cute. i guess i could go for some dessert, but not 'til jason
>leaves. i feel guilty, ya know.
I'm so glad you mentioned the ottoman, Josie, because I've been
meaning to write about something that may be the key to Sonny's
behavior, at least for me. Watch what he does, not what he says. So
often, Sonny's words are sharp as knives but his behavior betrays the
deeper, softer emotions he keeps in check. An easy example is Mike:
no matter how devastatingly Sonny attacks Mike with his words, Johnny
seldom gets the order to keep Mike out of the penthouse. Even when
Sonny is verbally lashing out at his father, his body language does
not threaten. It's an interesting contrast.
Carly and Sonny continually are at loggerheads over what they say to
and about each other, yet both seem to know on an instinctual, animal
level what comforts or pleases the other. Carly knows that providing
food, first for the baby and now for her, is the most direct, basic
way Sonny can express his concern for her, just as cab fare used to be
the emblem of Jason's regard. Sonny has become adept at protecting
Carly from outside attack -- particularly from A.J. -- by placing
himself physically between Carly and trouble, and he does this even
when he is himself at war with her on the most bitter terms.
So what about that ottoman? Well, Carly bought it as one of her very
first attempts to imprint her own personality on the ultra-dark,
ultra-Fine Corinthos-Leather penthouse. Sonny rejected the ottoman,
then relented and allowed it into his home as a demonstration of his
willingness to make their cohabitation work. Fine, it's furniture,
right? For Sonny, I contend, that ottoman has become emblematic of
his commitment to Carly, an outward and visible bridge between the
two. Like Carly, Sonny accepted the ottoman reluctantly as unneeded,
unwanted excess baggage; however, from the moment he accepted it as a
part of his household, Sonny is never far from it. He is the one who
sits on it; Carly sits on the couch. When Sonny is angry at Carly he
sits, or more usually stands, at his writing desk, the one she allowed
Bobbie to rifle. It is from the desk location that the most virulent
verbal blows are launched, but the ottoman is place where tentative
truces are forged, bad news is delivered and compromises are proposed.
Yes, Sonny and Carly usually eat at the dining room table, but they
have chosen to share their first meal across the symbol of their first
compromise and mutual acquisition. It's a beginning.
-- Tante Joan, CEO FGC Carly, Mike, Faison, Tammy; FGCs:
Laura, Luke, Virginia, Bobbie, Emily, Ari/Andreas, Taggert,
Nedley, V, Jason, Helena, Alexis; FGC Sonny, Keeper of the
Vulture Snoopy Eyes; Member: PSBDT, The Four Horsewomen, Inc.
(Because it takes a junta to defend Carly); PAGGS, Keeping the Light Out
for the Return of Officer Rick - [posted and probably e-mailed to others]
Christine W. Meyer
wrote:
>
>Carly and Sonny continually are at loggerheads over what they say to
>and about each other, yet both seem to know on an instinctual, animal
>level what comforts or pleases the other. Carly knows that providing
>food, first for the baby and now for her, is the most direct, basic
>way Sonny can express his concern for her, just as cab fare used to be
>the emblem of Jason's regard. Sonny has become adept at protecting
>Carly from outside attack -- particularly from A.J. -- by placing
>himself physically between Carly and trouble, and he does this even
>when he is himself at war with her on the most bitter terms.
Very, very nice, TJ. I was going to say something about the ottoman,
but you were more eloquent than I ever could be. (You must be taking
your cues from Terry L's "small stuff.") I have one thing to add,
though. Above, you say that one of the ways Sonny cares for Carly is
by providing her with food. It's interesting that during the really
important situations, that food is fish, something she usually hates.
She only eats it when he cooks it for her, but she genuinely likes it.
Changing her mind about fish was something even Jason couldn't do for
her. She forced herself to eat fish when AJ provided it for her, even
when it was at fancy restaurants. To me, that symbolizes her disdain
for AJ and her care for Sonny. She choked down the fish that AJ gave
her, while she genuinely enjoys Sonny's fish. He's even prepared it
in different ways, and she still likes it. That symbolizes their
relationship nicely--they've gone from hating each other to enjoying
each other's company, and even to falling in love.
To close, I loved his answer to her question about how he was able to
do that for her--make her like fish. "Some people say that I'm
controlling, so I just ordered it to be good." Hah!
--
Christine, not a fish person, either
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Tante Joan
W. Meyer) wrote:
>Very, very nice, TJ. I was going to say something about the ottoman,
>but you were more eloquent than I ever could be. (You must be taking
>your cues from Terry L's "small stuff.")
Bingo. And thanks!
> I have one thing to add,
>though. Above, you say that one of the ways Sonny cares for Carly is
>by providing her with food. It's interesting that during the really
>important situations, that food is fish, something she usually hates.
>She only eats it when he cooks it for her, but she genuinely likes it.
>
>Changing her mind about fish was something even Jason couldn't do for
>her. She forced herself to eat fish when AJ provided it for her, even
>when it was at fancy restaurants.
Oh Jason knew it was a lost cause, seemingly. The first time AJ took
her to Cafe Matisse and ordered for her she came home to Jason and
reported in amazement "He ordered fish for me," to which Jason shook
his head in complicit wonder.
>To me, that symbolizes her disdain
>for AJ and her care for Sonny. She choked down the fish that AJ gave
>her, while she genuinely enjoys Sonny's fish. He's even prepared it
>in different ways, and she still likes it. That symbolizes their
>relationship nicely--they've gone from hating each other to enjoying
>each other's company, and even to falling in love.
>
Yes, she will try things for Sonny, extend herself in ways she didn't
even for Jason. I think she started doing this initially because she
felt (still feels) no security with Sonny, and Carly's first lines of
defense are usually cautious acquiescence or in-your-face hostility.
I'm really not up on the alpha male theory but if I understand it at
all, Sonny is her alpha male. He is someone she feels drawn to
please, and this instinctive urge should help her over the first days
of the marriage mishugass.
>To close, I loved his answer to her question about how he was able to
>do that for her--make her like fish. "Some people say that I'm
>controlling, so I just ordered it to be good." Hah!
It was a wonderful line, made even better because Carly and Sonny
always "get" each others' humor, much of which is based in irony.
I also liked the bizarre form of tag-team marriage counseling provided
by Jason and Alexis. Since it is obvious that Sonny and Carly had the
potential to be locked into an emotional mobius strip of misunderstood
intentions, the absurdity to getting some straightforward, useful
advice from a brain-damaged mobster who is most frequently credited
(unjustly) with having no emotions and a marriage-allergic attorney so
skittish at the thought of wedded bliss she fairly leaps off the sofa
if her beloved begins to kneel to pick up dropped loose change.
Letting Sonny and Carly know that they can begin married life of a
level playing field is good advice. Further, telling Sonny that Carly
wants to love him, is ready to love him, is exactly the right thing
for him to hear, because like royalty, he would never have asked
himself (for fear of being turned down). Now that he knows, the
pressure is off and he can let Carly come to him without paying too
much attention to her defenses. Carly, OTOH, didn't need that much
information; Alexis's assurance that it is "safe" for her to like her
husband -- coming from a woman Carly acknowledges has Sonny's respect
-- is enough of an opening for her to start building a life with
Sonny. And if there is one thing that is clear to me, it is that this
time around, after three unequal relationships, Carly needs things to
be five-oh, five-oh. She and Sonny have to construct their life
together, but the work will be the thing that makes it work. And for
all those who have complained that Carly has never worked at anything,
I say this is may be her life's work.
-- Tante Joan, CEO FGC Carly, Faison, Tammy; FGCs:
Susan Barnett
tant...@nettaxi.com wrote on 9/20/00 9:52 AM:
God! I wish the writers of the show were as insightful, erudite and witty as
you two are!!
Great analysis of the complex Carly/Sonny dynamic.
Susan
Lynn Murray
Tante Joan wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:25:52 GMT, chri...@mahnamahna.com (Christine
> W. Meyer) wrote:
>
> I also liked the bizarre form of tag-team marriage counseling provided
> by Jason and Alexis. Since it is obvious that Sonny and Carly had the
> potential to be locked into an emotional mobius strip of misunderstood
> intentions, the absurdity to getting some straightforward, useful
> advice from a brain-damaged mobster who is most frequently credited
> (unjustly) with having no emotions and a marriage-allergic attorney so
> skittish at the thought of wedded bliss she fairly leaps off the sofa
> if her beloved begins to kneel to pick up dropped loose change.
>
Go down to the basement for some speculation.....
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Did you see the scene between said beloved (Neddie) and Lila? Looks like it's
time for Alexis to get her running shoes on!
Lynn "Transplanted Yankee" Murray
*bewitched*
whoa, TJ you are gOOd. ITA w/ everything you wrote... here and
whereever... really great insight. i loved the 50:50 thing in your other
post. it'll be nice for once, to have carly be wanted as much as she wants
him. hopefully, the writers won't screw up this relationship too. *fingers
crossed*
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Tante Joan wrote:
> I'm so glad you mentioned the ottoman, Josie, because I've been
> meaning to write about something that may be the key to Sonny's
> behavior, at least for me. Watch what he does, not what he says. So
> often, Sonny's words are sharp as knives but his behavior betrays the
> deeper, softer emotions he keeps in check. An easy example is Mike:
> no matter how devastatingly Sonny attacks Mike with his words, Johnny
> seldom gets the order to keep Mike out of the penthouse. Even when
> Sonny is verbally lashing out at his father, his body language does
> not threaten. It's an interesting contrast.
>
> Carly and Sonny continually are at loggerheads over what they say to
> and about each other, yet both seem to know on an instinctual, animal
> level what comforts or pleases the other. Carly knows that providing
> food, first for the baby and now for her, is the most direct, basic
> way Sonny can express his concern for her, just as cab fare used to be
> the emblem of Jason's regard. Sonny has become adept at protecting
> Carly from outside attack -- particularly from A.J. -- by placing
> himself physically between Carly and trouble, and he does this even
> when he is himself at war with her on the most bitter terms.
>
> So what about that ottoman? Well, Carly bought it as one of her very
> first attempts to imprint her own personality on the ultra-dark,
> ultra-Fine Corinthos-Leather penthouse. Sonny rejected the ottoman,
> then relented and allowed it into his home as a demonstration of his
> willingness to make their cohabitation work. Fine, it's furniture,
> right? For Sonny, I contend, that ottoman has become emblematic of
> his commitment to Carly, an outward and visible bridge between the
> two. Like Carly, Sonny accepted the ottoman reluctantly as unneeded,
> unwanted excess baggage; however, from the moment he accepted it as a
> part of his household, Sonny is never far from it. He is the one who
> sits on it; Carly sits on the couch. When Sonny is angry at Carly he
> sits, or more usually stands, at his writing desk, the one she allowed
> Bobbie to rifle. It is from the desk location that the most virulent
> verbal blows are launched, but the ottoman is place where tentative
> truces are forged, bad news is delivered and compromises are proposed.
> Yes, Sonny and Carly usually eat at the dining room table, but they
> have chosen to share their first meal across the symbol of their first
> compromise and mutual acquisition. It's a beginning.
>
> -- Tante Joan, CEO FGC Carly, Mike, Faison, Tammy; FGCs:
> Laura, Luke, Virginia, Bobbie, Emily, Ari/Andreas, Taggert,
> Nedley, V, Jason, Helena, Alexis; FGC Sonny, Keeper of the
> Vulture Snoopy Eyes; Member: PSBDT, The Four Horsewomen, Inc.
> (Because it takes a junta to defend Carly); PAGGS, Keeping the Light Out
> for the Return of Officer Rick - [posted and probably e-mailed to others]
>
,****,,****,
SurgSon
I loved your ottoman post :)
I think the ottoman is the symbolic place of power in the penthouse. I love
the "couch" talks between Sonny and Carly; they're always good. I loved that
on Tuesday, Sonny and Jason had their own "couch" talk-- with Jason taking
Sonny's usual place of power. And with the newlyweds eating casually on the
ottoman, on friendly but opposite sides...
Who knew furniture could be so important? <g>
Jackie
Tante Joan
<josi...@nunki.usc.edu> wrote:
>
>whoa, TJ you are gOOd. ITA w/ everything you wrote... here and
>whereever... really great insight. i loved the 50:50 thing in your other
>post. it'll be nice for once, to have carly be wanted as much as she wants
>him. hopefully, the writers won't screw up this relationship too. *fingers
>crossed*
>
>
Hey, you're giving me Lobster Face, as my great-niece Jessica used to
say. Yep, I think I have, if not high, at least elevated, hopes for
this marriage, however awkwardly midwifed. For once, Carly has the
regard and attention of someone who isn't taking her as second-best.
(I do not count AJ in this because even though it was
Carly-engineered, her Q marriage still had her placing second behind
Michael. With Sonny, Michael comes as a bonus, not the goal.)
Tante Joan
CEO, FGC Carly
Tante Joan
Sometimes furniture is destiny. Ask Ikea.
After all those couch-centric loooove fests between Sonny and Hannah
and Jax and Chloe, I'm relieved and encouraged that Carly and Sonny
know that beds are for sex and couches are for conversation. After
all, decorators call them conversation pits, not a sex pits.
[p&e]
--Tante Joan
CEO, FGC Carly
Christine W. Meyer
<slbw...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>God! I wish the writers of the show were as insightful, erudite and witty as
>you two are!!
>
>Great analysis of the complex Carly/Sonny dynamic.
Thanks, you're making me blush. Mostly because you're putting me in
the same category as TJ.
Christine
Christine W. Meyer
wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:25:52 GMT, chri...@mahnamahna.com (Christine
>W. Meyer) wrote:
>
>>To close, I loved his answer to her question about how he was able to
>>do that for her--make her like fish. "Some people say that I'm
>>controlling, so I just ordered it to be good." Hah!
>
>It was a wonderful line, made even better because Carly and Sonny
>always "get" each others' humor, much of which is based in irony.
>
>I also liked the bizarre form of tag-team marriage counseling provided
>by Jason and Alexis. Since it is obvious that Sonny and Carly had the
>potential to be locked into an emotional mobius strip of misunderstood
>intentions, the absurdity to getting some straightforward, useful
>advice from a brain-damaged mobster who is most frequently credited
>(unjustly) with having no emotions and a marriage-allergic attorney so
>skittish at the thought of wedded bliss she fairly leaps off the sofa
>if her beloved begins to kneel to pick up dropped loose change.
I agree; it was marvelous. I loved that Alexis started to give Carly
the benefit of her experience of being in a marriage of convenience,
and how she stopped in her tracks when Carly seemed to not care to
hear it. She was about to tell Carly, this person she hardly knows
and doesn't really like, an important part of her life, and stopped
herself when she realized that Carly was open to hear about it. She
was protecting herself, but was willing to help Carly. In the end,
the advice Alexis gave her was out of that experience. I can't wait
to see her squirm when Ned proposes, but her logical mind won't be
able to deny that it's a good idea.
--
Christine * FAQ pages: * http://www.mahnamahna.com/ratsa
FGC Carly, Keeper of Her Mother Issues
FGC Alexis, Keeper of the Gatekeeping Duties
anna
> >W. Meyer) wrote:
<snip>
> >I also liked the bizarre form of tag-team marriage counseling provided
> >by Jason and Alexis.
I also liked the twenty-dollar bet between Carly and Jason, if only because
it gives the writers a good out if/when Sarah Brown chooses not to renew her
contract. Things start to go wrong with Carly and Sonny, and she pulls out
the twenty and gives Jason a call. And he comes, because he promised her he
would. I much prefer characters to leave town than be thought dead.
anna.
Raven Ruch
Tante Joan wrote:
<For once, Carly has the regard and attention of someone who isn't
taking her as second-best. (I do not count AJ in this because even
though it was Carly-engineered, her Q marriage still had her placing
second behind Michael. With Sonny, Michael comes as a bonus, not the
goal.)>
So I guess the miscarriage was a good idea, since otherwise Carly would
have seen the marriage as only getting Sonny the baby. She would once
again have been second. Even if Sonny had started to care for her, she
never would have believed it was about her at all.
Raven
DonnaB
summer white since its after Labor Day in
rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc Tante Joan <tant...@nettaxi.com>
said:
> Hey, you're giving me Lobster Face, as my great-niece Jessica used to
> say. Yep, I think I have, if not high, at least elevated, hopes for
> this marriage, however awkwardly midwifed. For once, Carly has the
> regard and attention of someone who isn't taking her as second-best.
I understand how this is sorta working in that direction,
but since it was a marriage of convenience to avoid
incarceration I guess it still, to a lesser degree, fits in
that same spot to me.
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