AMC: TAN: "The Birdcage"
Jeanie Vella
hysterical. I can't remember when I've laughed so hard in a movie.
I came away wondering what my gay friends (mostly through lurking) on
RATSA have thought about the movie? The gay couple next to me seemed
to really be enjoying it. They hollered out an occasional "Right On!"
and seemed just as amused as I. Did anyone feel that the gay
lifestyle was portrayed as too "over the top?" Were you offended, or
did you enjoy this movie?
Jeanie "I still chuckle when I think of Spartacus!" Vella
Greg Lind
Vella) wrote:>
> Did anyone feel that the gay
> lifestyle was portrayed as too "over the top?" Were you offended, or
> did you enjoy this movie?
Yes, I was offended; primarily by the premise. If Denzel Washington and
Whitney Houston were asked to play parts in which they pretended to be
white to accomodate their son and his future in-laws, I doubt the movie
would have ever been made.
I went with a group of straight friends, who, after I enlightened them as
to how I interpreted the message being sent, were also offended.
- greg
Ashley Lambert-Maberly
>> Did anyone feel that the gay
>> lifestyle was portrayed as too "over the top?" Were you offended, or
>> did you enjoy this movie?
>Yes, I was offended; primarily by the premise. If Denzel Washington and
>Whitney Houston were asked to play parts in which they pretended to be
>white to accomodate their son and his future in-laws, I doubt the movie
>would have ever been made.
> - greg
Thanks for asking, Jeanie! I very much appreciate your question.
I agree with greggles exactly. Of course I realise it's "just a movie"
(the usual comeback from friends who enjoyed it), but that doesn't me it
didn't offend me. Usually it takes some pointing out to get others to see it
from my perspective, and I appreciate being able to snitch your Whitney
analogy which should help immeasurably!
The Birdcage further offends me because (and yes I realise the irony of
suddenly being offended all over the place when I was jumping on the
oversensitive re AMC just two months ago, but I'm nothing if not inconsistent):
1. One of the leads and the composer for the production numbers (and gosh
knows who else) are gay and haven't spoken it aloud in public. I'm offended
by closeted gays making money playing gay but not admitting it.
2. The image of gays represented in the film is wildly unrepresentational.
Until we have more comedies exploring real-life, I'm uncomfortable with
spending bucks on a film this unrealistic and stereotypical.
3. The French original was better, and it was daring in subject matter (it
was made 20 years ago, not in 1995). It was a major breakthrough to show
positive gay portrayals (no matter how stereotypical) at the time. Times have
changed. America should have left La Cage Aux Folles alone.
Ashley "And What They Did To Diabolique--Oh!!" Lambert-Maberly
(ash...@oldadm.ubc.ca)
Keeper of the FAC List, and RATSA Reading Group Moderator
FAC Marianna Starkweather, LCAS Spearcarrier #3
Pope Ular of the IHLC, & Cheese Hostess for SPERM
Cathy Sands
>>>Jeanie Vella wrote:>
>>> Did anyone feel that the gay
>>> lifestyle was portrayed as too "over the top?" Were you offended, or
>>> did you enjoy this movie?
>>Yes, I was offended; primarily by the premise. If Denzel Washington and
>>Whitney Houston were asked to play parts in which they pretended to be
>>white to accomodate their son and his future in-laws, I doubt the movie
>>would have ever been made.
>> - greg
>I agree with greggles exactly. Of course I realise it's "just a movie"
>(the usual comeback from friends who enjoyed it), but that doesn't me it
>didn't offend me. Usually it takes some pointing out to get others to see it
>from my perspective, and I appreciate being able to snitch your Whitney
>analogy which should help immeasurably!
>Ashley "And What They Did To Diabolique--Oh!!" Lambert-Maberly
Hi guys! I was waiting to hear what you thought. I just saw the movie
myself and I kept thinking this is not nearly as funny as it seemed to have
been hyped to be. The reason - I found it too stereotypical and unrealistic.
I am not gay (nor do I play a lesbian on tv :-) ) and I'm not speaking for
anyone else, but, having many gay friends I felt that they were being given a
bad rap. Much the same as I am offended who think that all of us in the South
are a bunch of bigotted, robe-wearing, cross-burning, toothless, unclean bunch
of hicks. I have known many gay men who were very effeminate, but I have
known just as many whom a person not knowing any better would assume to be
straight. Every *group* has its extremes on both ends, I just don't
understand why the gay community has never been shown in the movies as
anything but *over the top*. We've got a long way to go baby...
BTW, I have heard about the documentary *The Celluloid Closet* (hosted by Lily
Tomlin, isn't it?) but have not had the opportunity to see it. I heard that
it very realistically deals with just this very problem in Hollywood and does
so with much class. Can anyone else confirm this. I'm dying to see it. Of
course, that would mean that I have to get off of my hind side and actually go
TO the video store...
Cathy Sands - Firm believer that who you choose to love isn't nearly as
important as just choosing to love is.
FAC Pierce's Paint Brush
V.P. FOC Renee - Keeper of Her Eyebrows
Proud Co-Founder of RATSlanta - The Peach of RATSA
Charlotte Freeman
offensive that the movie considered it perfectly normal that the son would
treacherously request
that one of the two people who raised him a) leave or b) hide who he is.
The movie continually stressed that the son "belonged" to the Robin
Williams character and *didn't* belong to teh Nathan Lane character who
had, nonetheless raised him. And considering all the people I know who've
been thrown out of their families because they couldn't "pass" for
straight -- I found the scenes where Nathan Lane was trying to pass
incredibly painful. For me at least, the ending didn't redeem the deeply
offensive assumption throughout the movie that being gay, living in a
long term gay relationship was something to be ashamed of. I loved the
performances, and some of the scenes were very funny, but the way the
movie reinscribed all teh worst stereotypes about gay life was really
problematic for me.
Charlotte Freeman
Jeanie Vella (jea...@teleport.com) wrote:
: My husband & I saw "The Birdcage" last weekend and thought it was just
: hysterical. I can't remember when I've laughed so hard in a movie.
:
: I came away wondering what my gay friends (mostly through lurking) on
: RATSA have thought about the movie? The gay couple next to me seemed
: to really be enjoying it. They hollered out an occasional "Right On!"
: and seemed just as amused as I. Did anyone feel that the gay
: lifestyle was portrayed as too "over the top?" Were you offended, or
: did you enjoy this movie?
:
: Jeanie "I still chuckle when I think of Spartacus!" Vella
:
Shonnese Stanback
{snipped}
>
> Hi guys! I was waiting to hear what you thought. I just saw the Much the same as I am offended who think that all of us in the South
> are a bunch of bigotted, robe-wearing, cross-burning, toothless, unclean bunch
> of hicks. I have known many gay men who were very effeminate, but I have
> known just as many whom a person not knowing any better would assume to be
> straight. Every *group* has its extremes on both ends, I just don't
> understand why the gay community has never been shown in the movies as
> anything but *over the top*. We've got a long way to go baby...
>
> Cathy Sands - Firm believer that who you choose to love isn't nearly as
> important as just choosing to love is.
Cathy et al,
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I totally understand your points. I
have felt the same way about the ways Blacks have been portrayed in
movies and on television for years. I guess this would also go along
with the African Americans on OLTL thread that was started earlier.
The biggest problem Hollywood has these days is in casting
actors in roles that are not only challenging, but also a departure
from the stereotypes. Look at how many movies have come out lately
that have a white actor in the starring role, and some non-white
actor as the trusty sidekick. The other *huge* problem Hollywood
casting agents have is with intimacy. The movie industry and
television are quick to show Michael Douglas's flabby behind, but when
do we ever see a loving an intimate ethnic/gay relationship. I do
understand that many heterosexual people do not have the ability to
handle seeing a gay couple on screen without going ballistic, but geez
people! Gays and non-whites *do* have intimate relationships! Not
that I'm only going to the movies to see a good sex scene, but for a
change, even on tv, it would be nice to have an ethnic/gay couple do
more than just hug and then meet each other at the breakfast table in
the morning.
Climbing down from the soapbox.....
Shonnese--who would *love* to see Whitney Houston *act*! Is that too
much to ask?
Ramblin' Rose
>BTW, I have heard about the documentary *The Celluloid Closet* (hosted by Lily
>Tomlin, isn't it?) but have not had the opportunity to see it. I heard that
>it very realistically deals with just this very problem in Hollywood and does
>so with much class. Can anyone else confirm this. I'm dying to see it. Of
>course, that would mean that I have to get off of my hind side and actually go
>TO the video store...
I don't believe it is out in video yet. It is playing at our local
"art" cinema house, so you should check the papers and see if it is
playing in your town. I haven't see it yet, but it has gotten good
reviews, and I would like to see it.
By the way, I loved "The Birdcage", but more because of the actors in
it - Robin Williams, Nathan Lane, the lady from Cybil, the guy who
played the maid/butler, etc. than the actually plotline. I am always a
little skeptical when they take a play (especially a musical) and turn
it into a movie.
Sylvia "although, I thought they did a good job with 'Steel
Magnolias'"
CSmall
On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Cathy Sands wrote:
<snipped were Greg's and Ashley's responses to seeing 'The
Birdcage'...which I agreed with entirely for the same reasons>
> BTW, I have heard about the documentary *The Celluloid Closet* (hosted by Lily
> Tomlin, isn't it?) but have not had the opportunity to see it. I heard that
> it very realistically deals with just this very problem in Hollywood and does
> so with much class. Can anyone else confirm this. I'm dying to see it. Of
> course, that would mean that I have to get off of my hind side and actually go
> TO the video store...
>
"Celluloid Closet" hasn't made it to the big screen yet in Raleigh, but
the guy who reviews films for us here lent a preview copy to me a few
weeks back. It's excellent, and I urge anyone who has questions about
gays/lesbians in film or possible reactions to "The Birdcage" to see it.
Basically, it notes how invisible gays and lesbians had been in movies,
but how despite that, how frequently a "gay sensibility" (camp at times,
allegorical and moving at other times) filtered in anyhow. Harvey
Fierstein (of "Torch Song Trilogy" fame) notes that he was so hungry for
gay/lesbian images growing up that he didn't mind the "sissy" stereotypes
that formed the entirety of Hollywood's portrayal of gay men for decades.
Unfortunately, despite the seemingly p.c. overtones of movies like "The
Birdcage," the reality is that we haven't come far at all in our
portrayals. Where we have come far is in realizing that as an audience,
we're less likely
than previous generations to accept one-dimensional stereotypes as at
least SOME form of visibility.
Bringing this back to AMC (before it sounds like I should have posted it
to alt.politics.homosexuality), where I think the show's Michael Delaney
storyline has been valuable has NOT been in its much-ballyhooed image of
hunk Michael Delaney/Chris Bruno as a gay man (that got most of the
attention in the current SOW profile on him too...sigh). But it's been
those instances in which Delaney has told Trevor (and by extension, the
audience) that it shouldn't make a difference whether he was
limp-wristed, whether he was or wasn't a football hero, etc. -- his
rights are his rights. (I know, it's soapbox-ing, but sometimes a point
has to be made that boldly, and I applaud AMC for having done so.)
Now, they just need to move on with Michael's and Kevin's lives and fully
integrate them into the Pine Valley fabric, and I'll be in heaven.
Chuck Small
FAC WRCW Rudy...who'd like to be part of that "fabric"
Anne Kaider
sly...@airmail.net (Ramblin' Rose) wrote:
>By the way, I loved "The Birdcage", but more because of the actors in
>it - Robin Williams, Nathan Lane, the lady from Cybil, the guy who
>played the maid/butler, etc. than the actually plotline. I am always a
>little skeptical when they take a play (especially a musical) and turn
>it into a movie.
Actually, this story was a movie first! La Cage is a French film
(you can rent it at video stores, with English sub-titles). The
original movie is not a musical. (But it's hilarious!)
The French film was made into a play (La Cage) and music was
added. Now they are taking the play and turning it back into a
movie (Birdcage), but an American one this time.
I have not seen Birdcage yet, but it would be hard to beat the
original.
--
Anne Kaider (a.ka...@netcom.com)
President - ILJC
AFAC Brooke, AFAC Pierce
Greg Lind
In article <4lpd5f$7...@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>, a.ka...@ix.netcom.com
(Anne Kaider) wrote:
> I have not seen Birdcage yet, but it would be hard to beat the
> original.
IMHO, If you really want a gay "slice of life" film that has some
thoughtful insight and some truly funny (and tender) moments in it, rent
"Jeffrey", with that good-looking bald guy from Star Trek in it (sorry,
Treksters, can't remember his name).
- greg
Auphanim
Wouldn't it be nice if Kevin actually HAD some form of retrospective?
It would be nice to see him interacting with other guys, and when they
start talking about their lives, dates, weekends, etc.....Kevin's drama
comes forth.
Too often a gay character is added to a show with little follow-up, i.e.
OLTL; the end result is a "commercialized" storyline with little true
character development. As for Kevin, I hope his story has just begun. It's
refreshing to see gay teens acknowledged. There is a whole world of unique
stories yet untold; and this show has the chance few others have had.
Thanks
M
Joan0328
The film was produced with backing from HBO, and while it is making the
rounds of art houses as a first-run feature, in major markets it also
aired on HBO during February. I saw it at the New York Film Festival in
September, where it was shown for one night only. It's based on Vito
Russo's 1980s book of the same name, but was considerably updated in the
intervening years, first by Russo and then, after his death, by friends.
It's pretty good, but strangely enough, I preferred the book, which is
lavishly illustrated. The reason? While reading about the film, I could
flip to the photo, and keep the actors' images in synch with the text.
The film moves on at its own pace, but doesn't let you return to a point
or a picture. I still give the film a thumbs up.
TJ
Anne Kaider
li...@llnl.gov (Greg Lind) wrote:
>IMHO, If you really want a gay "slice of life" film that has some
>thoughtful insight and some truly funny (and tender) moments in it, rent
>"Jeffrey", with that good-looking bald guy from Star Trek in it (sorry,
>Treksters, can't remember his name).
Does anyone else know of good videos that portray the gay
lifestyle with both its problems and blessings, without being
stereotypical? If so, please post them!
Courtenay Keough
>IMHO, If you really want a gay "slice of life" film that has some
>thoughtful insight and some truly funny (and tender) moments in it, rent
>"Jeffrey", with that good-looking bald guy from Star Trek in it (sorry,
>Treksters, can't remember his name).
> - greg
Patrick Stewart (As opposed to Patrick Stuart, of Evil Will fame). And yes,
"Jeffrey" is just fabulous. My favorite scene features Nathan Lane as a
priest, explaining that all gay men picture God as the puppeteer in the
clouds from the cover of the original London cast album of "My Fair Lady"
(which gave me the final evidence that my upbringing has caused a gay man to
be lodged inside my heterosexual female body--I *always* pictured God like
that!); conversely, Andrew Lloyd Weber is the Devil. Then he bursts into
song.
There are less campy moments, too--bring lots of hankies and prepare to have
your heart-strings tugged.
Courtenay
U18...@uicvm.uic.edu
By far the best movie about gay life yet done is Parting Glances.
You should be able to find it at video place that stocks
independent releases.
Stephanie Blitz
In article <4ln111$m...@nadine.teleport.com>,
Jeanie Vella <jea...@teleport.com> wrote:
>My husband & I saw "The Birdcage" last weekend and thought it was just
>hysterical. I can't remember when I've laughed so hard in a movie.
>
>I came away wondering what my gay friends (mostly through lurking) on
>RATSA have thought about the movie? The gay couple next to me seemed
>to really be enjoying it. They hollered out an occasional "Right On!"
>and seemed just as amused as I. Did anyone feel that the gay
>lifestyle was portrayed as too "over the top?" Were you offended, or
>did you enjoy this movie?
I saw "The Birdcage" a few weeks ago with my (lesbian) lover, and we
both thought it was hysterical. Definitely an "over-the-top" portrayal
of gay life, but that was why it was so much fun! The movie plays the
"screaming queen" stereotype to the hilt, but that's the thing about
stereotypes--sometimes they have some truth in them. My favourite,
fall-down-funny moment was watching Nathan Lane playing the screaming
queen trying to be "butch" in a suit. Just perfect! Robin Williams was
pretty OK too, and the houseboy was hilarious!
Another really terrific movie I just saw is "Jeffrey", with Patrick
Stewart from ST-TNG playing a gay interior designer. I loved it, but I
don't know if straight people would find it nearly as funny. Anyone
here seen it?
Jacy
sbl...@chass.utoronto.ca <----note address change!
Mitch
jea...@teleport.com (Jeanie Vella) wrote:
>My husband & I saw "The Birdcage" last weekend and thought it was just
>hysterical. I can't remember when I've laughed so hard in a movie.
>I came away wondering what my gay friends (mostly through lurking) on
>RATSA have thought about the movie? The gay couple next to me seemed
>to really be enjoying it. They hollered out an occasional "Right On!"
>and seemed just as amused as I. Did anyone feel that the gay
>lifestyle was portrayed as too "over the top?" Were you offended, or
>did you enjoy this movie?
>Jeanie "I still chuckle when I think of Spartacus!" Vella
Hello everybody!
I was first in line to see "The Birdcage". I've read all the reviews,
interviews (in print and on the telly), and seen all they hype about
this movie and I could hardly wait.
I bought my ticket and took my seat where I usually sit, right in the
middle to get the perfect view. The lights dimmed and the show began.
Lovely little musical number "We are family" (believe me, it wears
thin after hearing it for the third time in the movie), everybody
looking lovely etc...then the number is done and the girls go
backstage to reveal that, in fact, they are not. Immediately, the
couple (male/female) up and left. Not even 10 minutes into the movie
and they left!
So anyway, I sat and watched this movie. Did I laugh? No. Was I
supposed to? Probably. This, to me, looked like a straight man's
version of what it is to be gay. I love Robin Williams and Nathan
Lane (better in the movie "Jeffery"BTW) and I thought they did a
wonderful job, it's just I sat there wondering what's in this movie
for me?
I left the movie no smarter than before, in fact I felt cheated.
Entertaining? For me, not really. The movie taught me nothing at
all. As I was walking out of the theater to my car, I happened to
overhear a woman say to her boyfriend "I just wish it could have been
better." I already knew the message the movie was trying to teach us,
but I wondered if my friends (who happen to be straight) or my family
(ditto) would get the message as well.
I went to work the following week and told one of my (straight)
co-workers that I had seen "The Birdcage" and I just told him it was
"alright, nothing to fantastic" meaning to him "it was just plain
stupid", nevertheless, he still wanted to see it with his wife.
The following weekend, my Grandmother (of all people) asked me if I
had seen "The Birdcage". I didn't know how to answer that, knowing
that my Grandmother (bless her heart) is a bigot who would probably
laugh her head off at a gay bashing. Before I answered, she then went
on to tell me it was the funniest movie she had ever seen. She hadn't
laughed so hard in all her life (which is saying alot). Did I miss
some hidden meaning in this film? What was going on here?
Back at work, I relayed the message to my co-worker friend who in turn
relayed a similar message from the parents of some friends of he and
his wife. He was dead set on seeing this movie.
He, of course, loved it.
We went to lunch together one day and he asked me why I had such a big
problem with that movie. I then asked him "Ok then, what was the
message that this movie was telling you?"
He thought about it for a second, looked at me and proceeded to tell
me like I was a four-year old "That it's ok to be gay."
"and??"
"that's it."
"BZZZT, wrong answer. Thanks for playing." Now it was my turn to
talk to a four-year old. I said something about being good parents
doesn't necessarily mean one dad and one mom, it could mean two
mommies or two daddies. He then told me that the Nathan Lane
character was the Mom, because he was "the girl" in the relationship.
<<Fast forward through the argument about men being "the girl" which I
never win, I don't know why I even bother.>>
Mitch
Fac Gloria
Mitch
li...@llnl.gov (Greg Lind) wrote:
>IMHO, If you really want a gay "slice of life" film that has some
>thoughtful insight and some truly funny (and tender) moments in it, rent
>"Jeffrey", with that good-looking bald guy from Star Trek in it (sorry,
>Treksters, can't remember his name).
> - greg
Patrick Stewart is his name Greg. I especially loved the "Pink
Panther" bit. It's strange he's not doing more comedy, he's a natural
at it.
Here's my list of favorite gay "slice of life" films:
The Sum Of Us (I've heard the play is better though)
Jeffery (I've head the play is better though)
The Adventures Of Priscilla Queen of the Desert
honorable mention:
Murial's Wedding
Mitch"I'd marry Murial just to get the fab posters from her wall"
Fac Gloria
Jeremy
> >IMHO, If you really want a gay "slice of life" film that has some
> >thoughtful insight and some truly funny (and tender) moments in it, rent
> >"Jeffrey", with that good-looking bald guy from Star Trek in it (sorry,
> >Treksters, can't remember his name).
> Does anyone else know of good videos that portray the gay
> lifestyle with both its problems and blessings, without being
> stereotypical? If so, please post them!
Well, there's "Deathtrap" with Michael Caine and Christopher Reeve...
though it doesn't really portray the problems, or the blessings... or
indeed the lifestyle... they're just gay. Hmmm... maybe that's not such a
good example after all. Great movie though.
Jeremy
jer...@injersey.com
Michael & Michelle Martinez
a.ka...@ix.netcom.com (Anne Kaider) wrote:
>Does anyone else know of good videos that portray the gay
>lifestyle with both its problems and blessings, without being
>stereotypical? If so, please post them!
I really liked "Longtime Companion." I know it's about AIDS, does that
make it stereotypical? Sorry. But it showed some really loving and
tender realtionships. It's a sad one, though.
Michelle
Ramblin' Rose
sbl...@chass.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Blitz) eloquently posted:
>Another really terrific movie I just saw is "Jeffrey", with Patrick
>Stewart from ST-TNG playing a gay interior designer. I loved it, but I
>don't know if straight people would find it nearly as funny. Anyone
>here seen it?
Straight gal here. I've seen Jeffrey - both the play and the movie -
and thought both were incredibly moving and wickedly funny. Also, I
think that anyone "out there" in the dating world could relate to some
of the fears that Jeffrey expressed.
Being a big ST-TNG fan, I also got a great kick out of seeing Patrick
Stewart have *so* much fun in a role that is a huge departure from
Captain Piccard. He was terrific!
Sylvia
J. Marie Davis
In article <4m1b5o$f...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Mdm...@ix.netcom.com
I don't know if anyone else would agree with me, but I would
recommend "Kiss of the Spider Woman" with Raul Julia (I'm suddenly
not so sure that I have his name correct!) and William Hurt.
It's basically about sharing and compassion and the friendship
that evolved between 2 men who had very little in common other
than the jail cell they shared.
J. Marie - "I give it 2 thumbs up!"
Darren Meahl
In article <catherine.sand...@gtri.gatech.edu> catheri...@gtri.gatech.edu (Cathy Sands) writes:
>From: catheri...@gtri.gatech.edu (Cathy Sands)
> Much the same as I am offended who think that all of us in the South
>are a bunch of bigotted, robe-wearing, cross-burning, toothless, unclean bunch
>of hicks.
Wait----you mean that isn't TRUE?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?
8^)
Darren "couldn't resist" Meahl
me...@pilot.msu.edu
Hope Braun
In article <4m1b5o$f...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Mdm...@ix.netcom.com (Michael & Michelle Martinez) writes:
>a.ka...@ix.netcom.com (Anne Kaider) wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone else know of good videos that portray the gay
>>lifestyle with both its problems and blessings, without being
>>stereotypical? If so, please post them!
>
>I really liked "Longtime Companion." I know it's about AIDS, does that
>make it stereotypical? Sorry. But it showed some really loving and
>tender realtionships. It's a sad one, though.
I second that. I've seen it at least four times and I cry every time!
But there are also some very cute moments (how 'bout the classical
version of YMCA played at the AIDS benefit?).
--
Hope E. Braun (br...@cig.mot.com)
Greg Lind
> Hello everybody!
> I was first in line to see "The Birdcage". I've read all the reviews,
> interviews (in print and on the telly), and seen all they hype about
> this movie and I could hardly wait.
<excellent critique snipped for brevity>
I couldn't agree with you more, Mitch. As one of the boyz, my main issue is:
Is the movie OK then, since uninformed straight people come away having
"learned" that gay is OK? Is this a step (albeit, a clumsy one) toward
acceptance?
What got to me and made me both angry and sad was the way the director
played it up for laughs, most often at *our* expense. When I hear people
say things like "that was the funniest movie I have ever seen", it scares
the bejeezus outta me.
- greg
Pete
> li...@llnl.gov (Greg Lind) wrote:
>
>
> >IMHO, If you really want a gay "slice of life" film that has some
> >thoughtful insight and some truly funny (and tender) moments in it, rent
> >"Jeffrey", with that good-looking bald guy from Star Trek in it (sorry,
> >Treksters, can't remember his name).
>
> > - greg
>
>
> Patrick Stewart is his name Greg. I especially loved the "Pink
> Panther" bit. It's strange he's not doing more comedy, he's a natural
> at it.
>
> Here's my list of favorite gay "slice of life" films:
>
> The Sum Of Us (I've heard the play is better though)
> Jeffery (I've head the play is better though)
> The Adventures Of Priscilla Queen of the Desert
>
> honorable mention:
> Murial's Wedding
>
> Mitch"I'd marry Murial just to get the fab posters from her wall"
> Fac Gloria
Anyone seen "Parting Glances"? It's from c. 1986 and stars Steve Buscemi
and John Bolger (of "Another World"). It does concern AIDS but is also an
interesting look at everyday gay life in NYC.
Pete
SE...@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
Hello,
I have to add my "Nay" to this film as well. I thought it a sorry
rip off of the original french film "La Cage o'Folles" (God help
my spelling) which I really enjoyed.
It was about a couple who ran a theatre, trying to hide their
lifestyle from a straight son's fiance's extremely straight, uptight
family. I found the french version had more characterization and warmth.
I found the depth of emotion lacking in the characters of the Birdcage.
Although there were some comical parts, it was by the use
of overblown stereotypical gay characitures.(sp)
This girl says "two-thumbs-down"
Sharon
In article <lind1-30049...@doe6189134.llnl.gov>
Cathy Sands
>catheri...@gtri.gatech.edu (Cathy Sands) writes:
>> Much the same as I am offended by those who think that all of us in the
>>unclean bunch of hicks.
In article <20676doc.6...@msu.edu> 2067...@msu.edu (Darren Meahl) writes:
>Wait----you mean that isn't TRUE?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?
>8^)
>Darren "couldn't resist" Meahl
Now I know where they got the phrase "Damn Yankees"!!!!!!!!! :-)
Cathy Sands - me either
Stephanie Blitz
In article <4lt0sp$e...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
Anne Kaider <a.ka...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Does anyone else know of good videos that portray the gay
>lifestyle with both its problems and blessings, without being
>stereotypical? If so, please post them!
Well, first of all you should be aware that there is no such thing as
"the gay lifestyle". Everyone's experience is different and the gay
and lesbian communities are made up of wildly varied people. Here are
a few vidoes I can recommend, but they may be hard to find in many
mainstream video stores.
"Jeffrey"--but you already know this one
"The Incredible True Story of Two Girls in Love"--a very sweet
coming-out tale of 2 teenage girls
"Forbidden Love"--a Canadian documentary about lesbian bar culture and
pulp fiction in the 1950's and 60's. A great look at older lesbians'
experiences. May not be available in the U.S.
"Go Fish"--a reasonably good lesbian love story with a diverse cast
"Paris is Burning"--incredibly depressing documentary about drag
queens in New York, some of whom are also sex workers. Very good.
"Longtime Companion"--never seen it, but a friend recommended it
That's all I can think of just now...
Stephanie Blitz
In article <1996Apr27....@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
Courtenay Keough <ck0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> wrote:
>
>Patrick Stewart (As opposed to Patrick Stuart, of Evil Will fame). And yes,
>"Jeffrey" is just fabulous. My favorite scene features Nathan Lane as a
>priest, explaining that all gay men picture God as the puppeteer in the
>clouds from the cover of the original London cast album of "My Fair Lady"
>(which gave me the final evidence that my upbringing has caused a gay man to
>be lodged inside my heterosexual female body--I *always* pictured God like
>that!); conversely, Andrew Lloyd Weber is the Devil. Then he bursts into
>song.
I have two favourite moments in "Jeffrey": the scene where Jeffrey
calls his parents and talks about sex ("Have you tried phone sex, son?
Father, let's help him out--what are you wearing, son? Oh, that's
hot!") and Sigourney Weaver as the self-help guru (OK, I like
Sigourney as anything *sigh*). I thought Patrick Stewart was very
believable as a gay man. And I also thought that they guy who played
Steve the bartender was *gorgeous*! If I was a gay man instead of a
dyke <wink> I'd date him in a second!
Jacy "One of my best friends is a cater-waiter" Blitz
Janice Pearson
Mitch (mitch...@iquest.net) wrote:
: better." I already knew the message the movie was trying to teach us,
What do you think it was?
: doesn't necessarily mean one dad and one mom, it could mean two
: mommies or two daddies. He then told me that the Nathan Lane
: character was the Mom, because he was "the girl" in the relationship.
Now, this one you may never win. People, well MOST people, just can't
shift paradigms. A relationship is.... a man and a woman in love. That's
it for them. If you present them with a different model, they have to
frame it in the same context or they get a headache! You won't get them
to understand it. Don't even try.
OTOH, psychologists and even some human types will tell you in every
relationship there is a top and a bottom. In a good relationship, though,
these power roles can switch. And another twist - those stuck in the
"normal" paradigm will tell you even then - the top is the masculine role
and the bottom is the feminine role. This, even though they must know
many couples where this doesn't happen at all. When it's a same-sex
couple, they get so confused. Well, who leads when you dance, they ask
with consternation.
Just give them a valium and smile. They'll never get it. Maybe I don't
even get it.
Mitch, I confess I liked Birdcage (and La Cage too) but not because it was a
movie about gays. I just watched it for the entertainment value. If I
thought I was supposed to get some deep message from it, I couldn't have
enjoyed it. I just suspended my belief systems and had fun with it. Men,
women, gay, straight, who cares? It was funny. But I know very well that
this was not an accurate depiction of gay life, not as I have seen it anyway.
Thanks for your post!
Janice
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Christine Malcom
Stephanie Blitz <sbl...@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>"Go Fish"--a reasonably good lesbian love story with a diverse cast
I loved _Go Fish_ if only for the discussion of euphemisms for female nether
regions and the final result: Definitely something in the French Fry Family
Christine Malcom-Department of Anthropology (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu)
"I didn't mean it when I said I hope the cable in the elevator snaps when you
step on board. And I was joking when I said I hope you crack your head and
get mangled by the downstairs revolving door. And I was kidding when I said I
hope the #103 bus hits and makes a pancake out of you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
isn't it amazing what a woman in love will do?" Christine Lavin
pis...@onr.com
Mitch wrote:
> Here's my list of favorite gay "slice of life" films:
>
> The Sum Of Us (I've heard the play is better though)
> Jeffery (I've head the play is better though)
> The Adventures Of Priscilla Queen of the Desert
>
> honorable mention:
> Murial's Wedding
>
I second the "Priscilla" nomination. Saw it 2 weeks ago,
laughed my head off. Excellent performances, great story.
Lynn Riley
IHTC/TSS Slap-fest MC
FAC Erica's 12-Step Program
Tink Toyz/Vice Pres.-Plot Devices and Gimmickry Department
Nancy at Dorsai
In article <phed-30049...@host-80.subnet-96.med.umich.edu>, ph...@umich.edu (Pete) wrote:
>In article <DqLI7...@iquest.net>, mitch...@iquest.net (Mitch) wrote:
>
>> Here's my list of favorite gay "slice of life" films:
>>
>> The Sum Of Us (I've heard the play is better though)
>> Jeffery (I've head the play is better though)
>> The Adventures Of Priscilla Queen of the Desert
>>
>> honorable mention:
>> Murial's Wedding
How about Torch Song Trillogy?
-Nancy- Member of PEACE
E-Mail: ca...@dorsai.org
Home Page: http://www.dorsai.org/~calz/
Greg Lind
In article <4m6t20$r...@chass.utoronto.ca>, sbl...@chass.utoronto.ca
(Stephanie Blitz) wrote:
> "Forbidden Love"--a Canadian documentary about lesbian bar culture and
> pulp fiction in the 1950's and 60's. A great look at older lesbians'
> experiences. May not be available in the U.S.
I loved this one. The history was fascinating. Showed here on PBS last year.
> Jacy
What did you think of "Desert Hearts"? I think that was the name. 50's
Nevada; uptight soon-to-be divorcee' finds love with the dude ranch
owner's daughter. I thought it was pretty good for a mainstream type of
lesbian flick.
- greggles
David Llewellyn
After reading some of the comments about "The Birdcage," I just wanted to
add my own thoughts. I think they're in defense of the movie.
To me, the theme was, "Sometimes you need to bend over backward for the
ones you love, but you should also learn to forgive them for asking."
Maybe not deep, but that's what I saw. The male parents were incensed
over being asked. The son was unhappy about asking, and unhappy that his
fiance would make up such a lie. The fact that Robin Williams and Nathan
Lane (and Spartacus) were willing to undergo this nightmare for their son
was heroic. They weren't "wrong" for being who they were, and they
weren't "right" for pretending to be brothers or a straight couple, but
their love for their "piglet" was worth the effort.
The son knows it from the start--intellectually, at first, but
emotionally as it continues. True, he took a while to act on this, but
he came through, and made all three of his parents proud.
To continue with Gene Hackman and Dianne Wiest, well, they needed
forgiveness, too. That the rest of the main characters were able to do
so and let them out without alerting the media, well, that was the
ultimate in heroism: Helping someone who hates what you stand for, and
showing them that you're willing to go past it.
Just my thoughts.
Dave Llewellyn
AFAC Hector
Michael & Michelle Martinez
David Llewellyn <dw...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>After reading some of the comments about "The Birdcage," I just wanted to
>add my own thoughts. I think they're in defense of the movie.
>To me, the theme was, "Sometimes you need to bend over backward for the
>ones you love, but you should also learn to forgive them for asking."
I dunno. I thought the theme was "Family values means loving your
family and doing everything you can to make them happy, even if it
goes against everything else you believe in, and you don't have to be
a straight white Episcopalian Republican man to have them."
Michelle
Greg Lind
In article <4mgai7$4...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, David Llewellyn
<dw...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> To me, the theme was, "Sometimes you need to bend over backward for the
> ones you love, but you should also learn to forgive them for asking."
It's not like he asked to borrow the car and then wrecked it. Asking your
parents (or *anyone*, for that matter) to pretend to be something they're
not because you are ashamed of who they are is altogether another matter.
> The fact that Robin Williams and Nathan
> Lane (and Spartacus) were willing to undergo this nightmare for their son
> was heroic.
Heroic?
Based on your definition, every gay person I know, including myself, is a
hero. Being asked to, or even *more* insidiously, "expected" to lie about
who you are and who you love is a rapidly disintegrating paradigm of being
gay.
Perpetuating this as acceptable behavior (regardless of *any* motive), as
exemplified by this ludicrous, fluff piece of Hollywood dung is doing a
great disservice to the gay population as a whole; youth in particular.
- greg, who is no longer ashamed and lies for no one
Stephanie Blitz
In article <glind-04059...@dynamic-225.dnai.com>,
Greg Lind <gl...@dnai.com> wrote:
>
>What did you think of "Desert Hearts"? I think that was the name. 50's
>Nevada; uptight soon-to-be divorcee' finds love with the dude ranch
>owner's daughter. I thought it was pretty good for a mainstream type of
>lesbian flick.
>
> - greggles
I actually found "Desert Hearts" kind of disappointing, but only
because the book (_Desert of the Heart_ by Jane Rule) is so much
better. The book isn't "mainstream" at all, but it was sanitized
somewhat in the film. Overall I liked it, though. Heck, lesbians are
so desperate to see themselves in the movies, that we'll even go see
awful films like "Three of Hearts" or "Bar Girls".
Oh yeah, for the record, my *fave* lesbian scene ever: Susan Sarandon
and Catherine Deneuve in "The Hunger". I could just die!
Jacy "always thought Daisy Cortlandt would make a great dyke" Blitz
sbl...@chass.utoronto.ca
lea
i could have enjoyed the movie if i hadn't spent most of it trying to
resist the urge to reach out and *slap* that boy *right* upside the
head and say 'how *dare* you make these people who've cared for you
and loved you and supported you for your entire life feel in *any* way
bad for being who they are and have always been, and by the way,
they're quite successful and happy and have a great relationship the
likes of which you should get down on your *knees* and pray for, even
though you probably haven't a hope in hell of getting it, because of
all the things you neglected to learn in your obviously much-loved and
safe life, you forgot to learn how to be honest and *open* with people
you love! and why you can't realise that if someone can't accept you
for what you are, no matter *what* that is, then they aren't worth
farting around with at all!"
other than that, it was a pretty good movie.
lea bob
*Soon to be seen on HBO's 'Sex Bites'! show!*
Mdm...@ix.netcom.com (Michael & Michelle Martinez) wrote:
>David Llewellyn <dw...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>To me, the theme was, "Sometimes you need to bend over backward for the
>>ones you love, but you should also learn to forgive them for asking."
>I dunno. I thought the theme was "Family values means loving your
Janice Pearson
Greg Lind (li...@llnl.gov) wrote:
: Based on your definition, every gay person I know, including myself, is a
: hero. Being asked to, or even *more* insidiously, "expected" to lie about
: who you are and who you love is a rapidly disintegrating paradigm of being
: gay.
I really have to agree with you there, Greg. Although I did enjoy the
Birdcage, I have to say I kept wondering why they were so willing to
compromise themselves. That was embarrassing.
Janice
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In article <4mmnam$4...@news.tdl.com>, lea <li...@mail.tdl.com> wrote:
>
>lea bob
>*Soon to be seen on HBO's 'Sex Bites'! show!*
>
Maggie "will you be nekkid?" Newman
Cathy Sands
In article <4mmnam$4...@news.tdl.com> li...@mail.tdl.com (lea) writes:
>lea bob
>*Soon to be seen on HBO's 'Sex Bites'! show!*
Oh? Care to give us details?
Cathy Sands - ever-inquisitive.
FAC Pierce's Paint Brush
V.P. FOC Renee - Keeper of Her Eyebrows
Proud Newbie Sponsor of Tess Wogan - Flame Protected until 6/2/96 by moi!
David Claypoole
Thanks Greg,
I agree completely
Carolyn Zaccaria
>Maggie "will you be nekkid?" Newman
Is that buck or stark???????????????
Caz "what's sex bites, what am i missing?"
1996 No Frango Award Winner
Riley
In article <4mlfkj$7...@chass.utoronto.ca>
sbl...@chass.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Blitz) writes:
>
>
>Jacy "always thought Daisy Cortlandt would make a great dyke" Blitz
>sbl...@chass.utoronto.ca
>
finals and i can't think of too many things anymore, but a movie just popped
into my head. i don't really know if anyone has said this before or not,
but "Boys on the Side" was pretty mainstream and it involved a lesbian woman.
i also saw a play that wasn't very mainstream, in fact, i don't think it was
mainstream at all, but it was very good at least. it was called Stages and was
about a 21 year old lesbian woman dealing with breast cancer and its effects on
her life and those around her.
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Stephanie Blitz
In article <lind1-06059...@doe6189134.llnl.gov>,
Greg Lind <li...@llnl.gov> wrote:
>In article <4mgai7$4...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, David Llewellyn
><dw...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> The fact that Robin Williams and Nathan
>> Lane (and Spartacus) were willing to undergo this nightmare for their son
>> was heroic.
<snip>
>Perpetuating this as acceptable behavior (regardless of *any* motive), as
>exemplified by this ludicrous, fluff piece of Hollywood dung is doing a
>great disservice to the gay population as a whole; youth in particular.
>
> - greg, who is no longer ashamed and lies for no one
Greg, I just want to comment here that what I saw the movie saying was
that the son's asking his parents to lie was *not* acceptable. I never
felt that the audience was supposed to sympathize with the son or his
motivations. Instead we were *supposed* to feel outraged on his
parents behalf, but sympathetic to their mixed emotions. I agree with
you that this was a fluff piece, but a "disservice to the gay
population"? Naaaah. This isn't a movie that claims to illustrate
"the gay experience" or "the gay community"--it's a caricature, a
farce, a cartoon. That's all.
Jacy (now, take "To Wong Foo...", *there's* a disservice to drag
queens everywhere)
Greg Lind
In article <4mr4cm$c...@chass.utoronto.ca>, sbl...@chass.utoronto.ca
(Stephanie Blitz) wrote:
> Greg, I just want to comment here that what I saw the movie saying was
> that the son's asking his parents to lie was *not* acceptable.
The fact that his parents *did* succumb to the masquerade *is*
unacceptable, IMHO, and *that* is the message I find dangerous.
> This isn't a movie that claims to illustrate
> "the gay experience" or "the gay community"--it's a caricature, a
> farce, a cartoon. That's all.
So was Amos and Andy and it was yanked from the airwaves thirty plus years
ago by the NAACP.
> Jacy (now, take "To Wong Foo...", *there's* a disservice to drag
> queens everywhere)
Oh God, don't even get me started on *that* disaster.
- greg
lea
i think it'll air sometime in july - here's what happened - my oldest
daughter, autumn, started a company that made historical costumes
(renfaire) & corsets. found out that people don't want to pay what it
costs for costumes, but will pay for wedding gowns and corsets in
leather - fetishwear. so she starts making leather gowns & such for
the S&M - type trade. does fashion shows, etc. is making a good name
for herself (Dark Garden in San Francisco).
skip ahead. a friend of hers, who makes similar items, but in latex,
is contacted by HBO re: putting on a wedding for their show. autumn &
john have recently gotten engaged. said friend contacts them & says
'will you?' & they said 'yes, if we get to keep the clothes'. a deal
is made & a latex wedding is staged. beautiful event. took place at
Club DNA in SF. they draped the place in muslin, arranged flowers,
everything. it was beautiful. of course, the Mom & Dad of the bride
(philip & me) were there (john's australian & his parents will be at
the *real* wedding in august).
some of the wedding party (the flower 'sluts' - their name - & ring
bearer) were in Not Much - thongs & latex paint. made for an
interesting outfit, but the paint begins to peel up after a couple of
hours. then we have the ceremonial Peeling of the paint. i got to
peel the ringbearer - much giggling & fun. did you know that you have
to shave *everything* before you do that? if anything i did makes it
to the show, it'd be that - or waltzing with Jennifer Holmes at the
first dance (well, philip had to leave for Yet Another business trip,
and Jennifer leads really well)
so there you are. i'm the one in the plain black dress, btw.
lea bob
(not nekkid (buck *or* stark) & not in latex)
ps. 'Sex Bites' is a show which seems to investigate/portray/show
'alternate' sexual styles. several of autumn's more *out there*
friends are near-regulars.
lea (adding 'call cable co. re: HBO' to to-do list) bob
smne...@gsbkma.uchicago.edu (Maggie Newman) wrote:
>In article <4mmnam$4...@news.tdl.com>, lea <li...@mail.tdl.com> wrote:
>>
>>lea bob
>>*Soon to be seen on HBO's 'Sex Bites'! show!*
>>
>Hey!! Can't slip this past me!! When???
>Maggie "will you be nekkid?" Newman
Cathy Sands
In article <4mvpv8$1...@news.tdl.com> li...@mail.tdl.com (lea) writes:
>i think it'll air sometime in july
Sounds mucho fab, lea. Please let us know when you find out more about the
actual air date.
Cathy Sands - looking forward to the latex paint.
Alexandra Mordecai
lea wrote:
a deal
> is made & a latex wedding is staged. beautiful event. took place at
> Club DNA in SF.
> some of the wedding party (the flower 'sluts' - their name - & ring
> bearer) were in Not Much - thongs & latex paint. made for an
> interesting outfit, but the paint begins to peel up after a couple of
> hours. then we have the ceremonial Peeling of the paint. i got to
> peel the ringbearer - much giggling & fun.
These were adults, I hope??
Lexy
lea
Alexandra Mordecai <Alexandra...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>> some of the wedding party (the flower 'sluts' - their name - & ring
>> bearer) were in Not Much - thongs & latex paint. made for an
>> interesting outfit, but the paint begins to peel up after a couple of
>> hours. then we have the ceremonial Peeling of the paint. i got to
>> peel the ringbearer - much giggling & fun.
>These were adults, I hope??
>Lexy
yup... everybody *had* to be over 21 - to protect HBO & the club. in
fact, i had a hard time explaining to my 7-year old daughter why she
couldn't go to autumn's 'wedding'.
"it's a grownup thing - i can't explain"
"why not?"
"that's a grown up thing, too"
anthea will be flower girl at the real wedding & gets an adorable new
dress to boot.
lea bob
Cathy Sands
In article <4n6b47$v...@news.tdl.com> li...@mail.tdl.com (lea) writes:
>anthea will be flower girl at the real wedding & gets an adorable new
>dress to boot.
Will it be latex??? :^)
Cathy Sands - start 'em young (it's a JOKE)
Cathy Sands
>>>FAC Pierce's Paintbrush On:
>>>
>>>I wanna do the wedding portrait!!! I'm *very* good, you know. I even have
>>>references. Brooke, oh Brooke... Anybody seen Brooke? What about Janut?
>>>
>>>FAC Pierce's Paintbrush Off
>Valley of the Calls <Mat.Tr...@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>Matt"I know *I'd* love a wedding portrait"
In article <DrF1A...@midway.uchicago.edu> cm...@midway.uchicago.edu
(Christine Malcom) writes:
>A wedding portrait would be lovely, but I guarantee
it, we won't be posing>ala Brooke for it. That should be a *big* relief to
Cathy's FAC.
Christine and Matt,
While I have relinquished my FAC due to unacceptable cast changes, the FAC
Formerly Known as Pierce's Paintbrush will still be delighted to do your
wedding portrait as an independent!
FAC FKaPP On:
Matt and Christine dahlings, I would be most delighted to paint your wedding
portrait in any attire or lack thereof of your choosing. Let me assure you
that if I was able to survive that Brooke portrait debacle without all of my
bristles falling out I can survive ANYTHING. (I've kept it a closely guarded
secret that my former owner and I DO NOT have the same taste in women - I
just didn't want to disappoint him.) Besides, I know that the two of you
would be a much lovelier sight to behold than the redhead wannabe (yes, I KNOW
for a fact that she owns much stock in Clairol). If I may, I think that you
might find some good suggestions for a wedding from Lea Bob. She sounds like
a perfect wedding coordinator given her recent experiences.
FAC FKaPP Off
Cathy Sands - the FAC FKaPP just LOVES latex!
Treasurer IHN&JC
V.P. FOC Renee - Keeper of Her Eyebrows
Proud Co-Founder of RATSlantA <tm> - The Peach of RATSA
Valley of the Calls
>
>>Matt"I know *I'd* love a wedding portrait"
>
>ala Brooke for it. That should be a *big* relief to Cathy's FAC.
>
>Reigning Queen of AFAC Brooke
Christine, "my pet" (ala Langley)
Lets make a list of the classic shots to have taken, New
Pierce might be better at Photography...
1) You in front of mirror with parents beaming in back round
(dressing room)
2) Wife beaming at ring (foggy photo)
3) Happy couple looking from out side of the get-away car.
Matt"any others?"
FAC Myrtle
Christine Malcom
On 15 May 1996, Valley of the Calls wrote:
> >A wedding portrait would be lovely, but I guarantee it, we won't be posing
> >ala Brooke for it. That should be a *big* relief to Cathy's FAC.
> >
Awww... *blush* Matty...you're so *Sweet*
> Lets make a list of the classic shots to have taken, New
> Pierce might be better at Photography...
>
> 1) You in front of mirror with parents beaming in back round
> (dressing room)
> 2) Wife beaming at ring (foggy photo)
> 3) Happy couple looking from out side of the get-away car.
Don't forget the ones of our joined hands superimposed on a wedding
invitation....and the one with my immense train all spread out behind me
with the flowers artfully arranged around it while I smile beatifically
over my shoulder.
And the one of beery greggles tearfully singing "Feelings" into the
microphone he's stolen from the band.
Christine "But maybe we want video footage on that last one" Malcom
(cm...@midway.uchicago.edu)
Department of Anthropology Reigning Queen of AFAC Brooke
FAC Dixie's Kidney, Candidate for Forensic Anthropologist to TPTB
"This is ridiculous! What am I doing here? I'm in the wrong story...."
"Why not both instead? There's the answer if you're clever. Have a child for
warmth and a baker for bread and a prince for...whatever..."
The Baker's Wife---Into the Woods
Mary Bob in Big D
Christine Malcom <cm...@kimbark.uchicago.edu> thinks that:
>> 1) You in front of mirror with parents beaming in back round
>> (dressing room)
>> 2) Wife beaming at ring (foggy photo)
>> 3) Happy couple looking from out side of the get-away car.
>Don't forget the ones of our joined hands superimposed on a wedding
>invitation....and the one with my immense train all spread out behind me
>with the flowers artfully arranged around it while I smile beatifically
>over my shoulder.
Christine and Matt, for your wedding present I'm giving you one of
your wedding invitations, mounted upon a doily and nicely framed in a
ready-made wall frame with about 6" of excess space all around the
perimeter of the invitation.
Mary Bob in Big D (I know you'll treasure it always)
Raspberry Frango Winner - 1996
FAC Daughters of Fine Lineage
Valley of the Calls
>Christine and Matt,
>
>While I have relinquished my FAC due to unacceptable cast changes, the FAC
>Formerly Known as Pierce's Paintbrush will still be delighted to do your
>wedding portrait as an independent!
>
>FAC FKaPP On:
>
>Matt and Christine dahlings, I would be most delighted to paint your wedding
>portrait in any attire or lack thereof of your choosing. Let me assure you
>that if I was able to survive that Brooke portrait debacle without all of my
>bristles falling out I can survive ANYTHING. (I've kept it a closely guarded
>
>
>Cathy Sands - the FAC FKaPP just LOVES latex!
>Treasurer IHN&JC
Thank you ever so, FFaPP!!
We'll be ready, with freshly pinched checks for color!
Matt
FAC Myrtle
Valley of the Calls
>>Don't forget the ones of our joined hands superimposed on a wedding
>>invitation....and the one with my immense train all spread out behind me
>>with the flowers artfully arranged around it while I smile beatifically
>>over my shoulder.
>
>Christine and Matt, for your wedding present I'm giving you one of
>your wedding invitations, mounted upon a doily and nicely framed in a
>ready-made wall frame with about 6" of excess space all around the
>perimeter of the invitation.
>
>Mary Bob in Big D (I know you'll treasure it always)
>Raspberry Frango Winner - 1996
>FAC Daughters of Fine Lineage
>
affair?!?)
Matt
FAC Myrtle
Greg Lind
In article <4niog7$h...@morrow.stanford.edu>,
Mat.Tr...@forsythe.stanford.edu (Valley of the Calls) wrote:
> Is this true!?!? Well it WILL be a "purdified" affair! (did I say
> affair?!?)
>
> Matt
I dreamt of a wedding last night in some tacky banquet room and all the
groomsmen had on black tuxedos with clear plastic pants. Must have been a
sign.
- greg, Can we wear those Matt? Please?
Michelle Martin
In article <glind-19059...@dynamic-219.dnai.com>, gl...@dnai.com
(Greg Lind) wrote:
Oooh, can I be the photographer? I have a really crappy camera, I'd
have to get reeeaalll close.... ;)
Michelle, in the gutter again....
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
M. R. Martin O- "Oh, bite me, it's fun!"
Anchorage, Alaska Crow T. Robot
mrh...@aonline.com
Christine Malcom
Greg Lind <gl...@dnai.com> wrote:
>Mat.Tr...@forsythe.stanford.edu (Valley of the Calls) wrote:
>
>> Is this true!?!? Well it WILL be a "purdified" affair! (did I say
>> affair?!?)
>>
>> Matt
>
>I dreamt of a wedding last night in some tacky banquet room and all the
>groomsmen had on black tuxedos with clear plastic pants. Must have been a
>sign.
Oh, greggles! You're inspired! The last wedding nightmare I had (in which I
was being forced to marry the other player in my ex relationship that wouldn't
die) the groomsmen were wearing purple and orange sequined tuxedos, but that
pales in comparison to clear plastic pants!
> - greg, Can we wear those Matt? Please?
Please say yes, Mattykins!
Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
Christine Malcom
Michelle Martin <mrh...@aonline.com> wrote:
>(Greg Lind) wrote:
>
>> In article <4niog7$h...@morrow.stanford.edu>,
>>
>> > Is this true!?!? Well it WILL be a "purdified" affair! (did I say
>> > affair?!?)
>> >
>> > Matt
>>
>> I dreamt of a wedding last night in some tacky banquet room and all the
>> groomsmen had on black tuxedos with clear plastic pants. Must have been a
>> sign.
>>
>
>have to get reeeaalll close.... ;)
>Michelle, in the gutter again....
Michelle, my dear, I hereby request the honor of your services in manning
(womanning?) our crotch shot cam...an homage to Sean's FAc.
Christine Malcom
Mary Bob in Big D <smi...@airmail.net> wrote:
>Christine Malcom <cm...@kimbark.uchicago.edu> thinks that:
>>> 1) You in front of mirror with parents beaming in back round
>>> (dressing room)
>>> 2) Wife beaming at ring (foggy photo)
>>> 3) Happy couple looking from out side of the get-away car.
>
>>invitation....and the one with my immense train all spread out behind me
>>with the flowers artfully arranged around it while I smile beatifically
>>over my shoulder.
>
>Christine and Matt, for your wedding present I'm giving you one of
>your wedding invitations, mounted upon a doily and nicely framed in a
>ready-made wall frame with about 6" of excess space all around the
>perimeter of the invitation.
Mary bob! I'm touched...we'll hang it in the hall powder room!
Greg Lind
In article <Drrns...@midway.uchicago.edu>, cm...@midway.uchicago.edu
(Christine Malcom) wrote:
> Mary Bob in Big D <smi...@airmail.net> wrote:
> >Christine Malcom <cm...@kimbark.uchicago.edu> thinks that:
> >>> 1) You in front of mirror with parents beaming in back round
> >>> (dressing room)
> >>> 2) Wife beaming at ring (foggy photo)
> >>> 3) Happy couple looking from out side of the get-away car.
> >
> >>Don't forget the ones of our joined hands superimposed on a wedding
> >>invitation....and the one with my immense train all spread out behind me
> >>with the flowers artfully arranged around it while I smile beatifically
> >>over my shoulder.
I'm having them all collaged and put on a Crock-Pot and then a heavy resin
glaze applied over it. Isn't that festive?
- greg, or maybe you'd prefer a fondue pot? Your choice!
Valley of the Calls
>>
>> I dreamt of a wedding last night in some tacky banquet room and all the
>> groomsmen had on black tuxedos with clear plastic pants. Must have been a
>> sign.
>>
>> - greg, Can we wear those Matt? Please?
>
>Oooh, can I be the photographer? I have a really crappy camera, I'd
>have to get reeeaalll close.... ;)
>
>Michelle, in the gutter again....
Oh no problem Greg, I'm *trying* to get in shape so I can look good
in jock strap! Michelle, I like your style! ;-)
Matt"tulle of course!"
FAC Myrtle
Patty Sawyer-Ethen
:
:In article <4niog7$h...@morrow.stanford.edu>,
:Mat.Tr...@forsythe.stanford.edu (Valley of the Calls) wrote:
:
:: Is this true!?!? Well it WILL be a "purdified" affair! (did I say
:: affair?!?)
::
:: Matt
:I dreamt of a wedding last night in some tacky banquet room and all the
:groomsmen had on black tuxedos with clear plastic pants. Must have been
:a sign.
:
: - greg, Can we wear those Matt? Please?
Yeah, please Matt? Can they, can they?
Patty "you'd *never* catch me *dead* in clear plastic pants!!!!" Ethen
Robyn Ansley
FAC Laurel's Lifeless Lips Part
Oh, Mattie and Christine, may I please sing at your wedding? No need for
amplifiers. My lovely voice will reach the back of the church with NO
problem! Of course, Grease Monkey, um Louie, will have to be my escort in
case I need lubrication during my rendition of "Close to You." I also
know selections by Manilow and Humperdick. Please??!!!
FAC Laurel's Lifeless Lips Close
Rob Bob
BELCH Member - Loud & Proud
SPERM Keeper of the Hankies
VP:IHSB
Alexandra Mordecai
Greg Lind wrote:
(re. the wedding photos)
> I'm having them all collaged and put on a Crock-Pot and then a heavy resin
> glaze applied over it. Isn't that festive?
>
> - greg, or maybe you'd prefer a fondue pot? Your choice!
Greg, you goofball, you are too funny!!
Lexy
Christine Malcom
On Tue, 21 May 1996, Greg Lind wrote:
> (Christine Malcom) wrote:
> > Mary Bob in Big D <smi...@airmail.net> wrote:
> > >Christine Malcom <cm...@kimbark.uchicago.edu> thinks that:
> > >>> 1) You in front of mirror with parents beaming in back round
> > >>> (dressing room)
> > >>> 2) Wife beaming at ring (foggy photo)
> > >>> 3) Happy couple looking from out side of the get-away car.
> > >
> > >>Don't forget the ones of our joined hands superimposed on a wedding
> > >>invitation....and the one with my immense train all spread out behind me
> > >>with the flowers artfully arranged around it while I smile beatifically
> > >>over my shoulder.
>
> glaze applied over it. Isn't that festive?
>
> - greg, or maybe you'd prefer a fondue pot? Your choice!
fondue fondue fondue!
Christine "and skewers! Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of
Anthropology
Reigning Queen of AFAC Brooke, FAC Dixie's Kidney
Valley of the Calls
>
>I'm having them all collaged and put on a Crock-Pot and then a heavy resin
>glaze applied over it. Isn't that festive?
>
> - greg, or maybe you'd prefer a fondue pot? Your choice!
I'll check with my "Honey-Lamb," but how often do ya eat Fondue!?!
Matt"I'm a decent cook"
FAC Myrtle
Valley of the Calls
>>
>>I dreamt of a wedding last night in some tacky banquet room and all the
>>groomsmen had on black tuxedos with clear plastic pants. Must have been a
>>sign.
>> - greg, Can we wear those Matt? Please?
>
>
>Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
You don't have to twist my arm! Now let's go over the lineup for
groomsmen....Greg, Sean, Ashley (oh yes you are) Mitch, Ken,
Mark......who am I marrying?!?!
Matt"I'm not so very drunk..-hic-"
FAC Myrtle
p.s. and little Marty as flower child-person...
DENNIS R. DUNHAM
>
>You don't have to twist my arm! Now let's go over the lineup for
>groomsmen....Greg, Sean, Ashley (oh yes you are) Mitch, Ken,
>Mark......who am I marrying?!?!
>
>Matt"I'm not so very drunk..-hic-"
>FAC Myrtle
>
If you will have me....I would consider it an honer to be a part of
the celebration.
Lets do lunch at Roble soon :-)
Dennis
Valley of the Calls
>:I dreamt of a wedding last night in some tacky banquet room and all the
>:groomsmen had on black tuxedos with clear plastic pants. Must have been
>:a sign.
>:
>: - greg, Can we wear those Matt? Please?
>
>
>Patty "you'd *never* catch me *dead* in clear plastic pants!!!!" Ethen
>
Oh Greg just dreamt that because he's going to be in a wedding!
Honestly Greg, that subliminal x-ray vision is SO campy!! :-)
Matt"but hot!"
FAC Myrtle
Ashley Lambert-Maberly
>Matt writes:
>Now let's go over the lineup for
>groomsmen....Greg, Sean, Ashley (oh yes you are) Mitch, Ken,
>Mark......who am I marrying?!?!
I am *not* wearing that thing, not even for the joy of standing up for you and
Ms. Sparkle. How about I just drape it up against me, like this? Isn't that
better?
And I want an EXPENSIVE groomsman's gift. And I want it made of gold, and
I want it to tick, and I want it to say "Rolex," okay?
In return I promise to brush my hair and not snigger during the ceremony.
Ashley "Dibs On The Drummer At The Reception, If He's Cute" Lambert-Maberly
Keeper of the FAC List,
RATSA Reading Group Moderator
FAC Marianna Starkweather.
[SPERM, LCAS, TT, IHLC,
AFAC Brooke, and AFAC Tad]
Christine Malcom
Ashley Lambert-Maberly <ASH...@oldadm.ubc.ca> wrote:
>>Matt writes:
>>Now let's go over the lineup for
>>groomsmen....Greg, Sean, Ashley (oh yes you are) Mitch, Ken,
>>Mark......who am I marrying?!?!
>
>I am *not* wearing that thing, not even for the joy of standing up for you and
>Ms. Sparkle. How about I just drape it up against me, like this? Isn't that
>better?
So does this mean you won't be wearing anything *including* the plastic
pants? Hmmmm....
>And I want an EXPENSIVE groomsman's gift. And I want it made of gold, and
>I want it to tick, and I want it to say "Rolex," okay?
I'm leaving that to Matty...my attendants are all getting massages at the
Aveda spa in Minnesota.
>In return I promise to brush my hair and not snigger during the ceremony.
Oh, your hair! Ack....how *is* the Mateo cut growing out dear? How insensitive
of us not to have asked before!
As for sniggering during the ceremony, well I'm counting on Rob, Mark, and
Sean MiSTing it for us live.
>Ashley "Dibs On The Drummer At The Reception, If He's Cute" Lambert-Maberly
Go for the accordionist....they know how to squeeze and press and do
lots of complicated things all at the same time.
Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
Reigning Queen of AFAC Brooke
FAC Dixie's Kidney, Candidate for Forensic Anthropologist to TPTB
Thomas P Collins
Christine Malcom <cm...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>>Ashley "Dibs On The Drummer At The Reception, If He's Cute" Lambert-Maberly
>
>Go for the accordionist....they know how to squeeze and press and do
>lots of complicated things all at the same time.
Hey! I resemble that remark! :-)
--
Tom Collins
tcol...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
colli...@osu.edu
Carolyn Zaccaria
In article <4nvuq5$b...@morrow.stanford.edu> Mat.Tr...@forsythe.stanford.edu (Valley of the Calls) writes:
>>Patty "you'd *never* catch me *dead* in clear plastic pants!!!!" Ethen
>Oh Greg just dreamt that because he's going to be in a wedding!
>Honestly Greg, that subliminal x-ray vision is SO campy!! :-)
This reminded me of Kathy Bates character in "Fried Green Tomatoes".
Remember she wrapped herself in Saran Wrap so her husband would notice
her? :)
CAZ "I never tried that"
Christine Malcom
On 22 May 1996, Robyn Ansley wrote:
> FAC Laurel's Lifeless Lips Part
>
> Oh, Mattie and Christine, may I please sing at your wedding? No need for
> amplifiers. My lovely voice will reach the back of the church with NO
> problem! Of course, Grease Monkey, um Louie, will have to be my escort in
> case I need lubrication during my rendition of "Close to You." I also
> know selections by Manilow and Humperdick. Please??!!!
>
> FAC Laurel's Lifeless Lips Close
Weeeeeelll....do you do Copacabana? And The Night Chicago Died?
I *have* to have both of those.
Christine Malcom
On 22 May 1996, Valley of the Calls wrote:
> >:I dreamt of a wedding last night in some tacky banquet room and all the
> >:groomsmen had on black tuxedos with clear plastic pants. Must have been
> >:a sign.
> >:
> >: - greg, Can we wear those Matt? Please?
> >
> >Yeah, please Matt? Can they, can they?
> >
>
> Oh Greg just dreamt that because he's going to be in a wedding!
> Honestly Greg, that subliminal x-ray vision is SO campy!! :-)
>
I'm going to do a reading at my brother's wedding.
I sure hope that my flesh doesn't sizzle on contact with the Bible.
Ashley Lambert-Maberly
>I'm going to do a reading at my brother's wedding.
>I sure hope that my flesh doesn't sizzle on contact with the Bible.
>Christine Malcom
As long as you still have a reflection in a mirror, you can usually get away
with holding a Bible.
[This Old Man tune on:]
"I see you, You see Me
Let's read Deuteronomy ..."
Ashley Lambert-Maberly
I'm a BABE (Banding Against Brooke English)
Valley of the Calls
>> Oh, Mattie and Christine, may I please sing at your wedding? No need for
>>
>
>Weeeeeelll....do you do Copacabana? And The Night Chicago Died?
>I *have* to have both of those.
>
>Reigning Queen of AFAC Brooke
Not to mention.."Dancing Queen," and "Love Is in The Air!"
Matt
FAC Myrtle
Valley of the Calls
>
>I'm going to do a reading at my brother's wedding.
>I sure hope that my flesh doesn't sizzle on contact with the Bible.
>
>Reigning Queen of AFAC Brooke
Christine, do be careful and lets hold off and sizzle together at
our wedding!
Matt"Sexual Orientation Be Damned Wedding"
FAC Myrtle
Valley of the Calls
>
>Don't you be silly, Matty ma dear...you see something you like, you go
>for it.
>
>Christine "I certainly will" Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu)
>Department of Anthropology Reigning Queen of AFAC Brooke
Is she not the GREATEST woman in the world!?!?
Matt"I bet Pheobe and Langely are the same way"
FAC Myrtle
Valley of the Calls
>Oh Matty...I love the way your...mind...works.
>
>Christine "And how!" Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of
And you have my heart!
Matt
FAC Myrtle
Greg Lind
In article <4o4n7r$2...@morrow.stanford.edu>,
Mat.Tr...@forsythe.stanford.edu (Valley of the Calls) wrote:
> >Weeeeeelll....do you do Copacabana? And The Night Chicago Died?
> >
> >Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
>
> Not to mention.."Dancing Queen," and "Love Is in The Air!"
>
> Matt
"Close to You" by The Carpenters. Oh please, oh please.
"why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are neeeeeear?
"just like me, they long to be, close to you"
la la la
- greg, with the clear pants on
Christine Malcom
Greg Lind <li...@llnl.gov> wrote:
>Mat.Tr...@forsythe.stanford.edu (Valley of the Calls) wrote:
>
>> >Weeeeeelll....do you do Copacabana? And The Night Chicago Died?
>> >
>> >Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
>>
>> Not to mention.."Dancing Queen," and "Love Is in The Air!"
>
>"why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are neeeeeear?
>"just like me, they long to be, close to you"
>
>la la la
>
> - greg, with the clear pants on
Good golly Miss Matty!
Greggles with the clear pants clear pants on
Greggles with the clear pants on!
Christine "Nora and Bo had Little Richard at their wedding, why can't we?"
Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
Reigning Queen of AFAC Brooke
Cathy Sands
>On 22 May 1996, Robyn Ansley wrote:
>> Oh, Mattie and Christine, may I please sing at your wedding?
In article Christine Malcom <cm...@kimbark.uchicago.edu> writes:
>Weeeeeelll....do you do Copacabana? And The Night Chicago Died?
>I *have* to have both of those.
Christine, might I suggest some nice ABBA tunes a la *Muriel's Wedding*?
Cathy Sands - oooh see that girl, watch that scene, the Dancing Queen...
Treasurer IHN&JC
V.P. FOC Renee - Keeper of Her Eyebrows
Proud Co-Founder of RATSlantA <tm> - The Peach of RATSA
Proud Newbie Sponsor of Tess Wogan - Flame Protected until 6/2/96 by moi!
Janice Pearson
Ashley Lambert-Maberly (ASH...@oldadm.ubc.ca) wrote:
: "I see you, You see Me
: Let's read Deuteronomy ..."
Ashley, have anyone ever told you that you're very, very clever? ;)
If only you'd marry me, just for show I mean.
Janice
who has to figure out how to do her sig in Pine - anyone know?
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Ashley Lambert-Maberly
>Ashley, have anyone ever told you that you're very, very clever? ;)
>If only you'd marry me, just for show I mean.
>Janice
What, and run the risk of upstaging Matt & Christine's Pending Nuptials?
(Note to Ms. English Person--it's your wedding, so you can spell it however
you like, but I suggest "Nuptials" if you want to stop tongues from wagging.)
This has possibilities though ... you see, Christine is my official
long-distance stalker ... she might be marrying Matt as a next-best-thing for
all I know (I think we can be assured that the marriage is of convenience, not
love) ... and when we announce at her reception that we were married at Elk
Green last week, why, she might dye her hair ... umm ... Janice-coloured ...
and secret your remains in her Forensic Anthropology laboratory, while poor
Matt wonders where is new wife has gone, and I cope with Janice's strange
personality conversion.
'Course, you might not like ending up in a F.A. lab, but it furthers the plot,
n'est-ce-pas? Let me know ...
Ashley Lambert-Maberly
Janice Pearson
Ashley Lambert-Maberly (budg...@interchg.ubc.ca) wrote:
: >Ashley, have anyone ever told you that you're very, very clever? ;)
: >If only you'd marry me, just for show I mean.
: What, and run the risk of upstaging Matt & Christine's Pending Nuptials?
: (Note to Ms. English Person--it's your wedding, so you can spell it however
: you like, but I suggest "Nuptials" if you want to stop tongues from wagging.)
When have I worried about upstaging anyone? Oh, I do hope no one thinks
*I* was the wrong speller! 'twas not I. I will continue to press my suit,
Ashley. I was looking at some rather spectacular rubber goth wear today.
We'll see who upstages whom!
: This has possibilities though ... you see, Christine is my official
: long-distance stalker ... she might be marrying Matt as a next-best-thing for
: all I know (I think we can be assured that the marriage is of convenience, not
: love) ... and when we announce at her reception that we were married at Elk
: Green last week, why, she might dye her hair ... umm ... Janice-coloured ...
: and secret your remains in her Forensic Anthropology laboratory, while poor
: Matt wonders where is new wife has gone, and I cope with Janice's strange
: personality conversion.
: 'Course, you might not like ending up in a F.A. lab, but it furthers the plot,
: n'est-ce-pas? Let me know ...
Hm. Will they let me remain in my spectacular rubber goth wear and style
my Janice-coloured hair before they close my body drawer? I'll give it
some serious thought. Just promise me that if I agree to this plot
device, you will never marry again.
Janice
Hopeful or desperate, or maybe both
Christine Malcom
On Sat, 25 May 1996, Ashley Lambert-Maberly wrote:
> >Ashley, have anyone ever told you that you're very, very clever? ;)
> >If only you'd marry me, just for show I mean.
>
>
> What, and run the risk of upstaging Matt & Christine's Pending Nuptials?
> (Note to Ms. English Person--it's your wedding, so you can spell it however
> you like, but I suggest "Nuptials" if you want to stop tongues from wagging.)
Well dahlin'...I tried to change the header to the correct spelling some
time back, but it was one of those that didn't get followed up. Also
changed it to 'im'pending which I believe is correct. Aren't I the
elitist modern bride?
> This has possibilities though ... you see, Christine is my official
> long-distance stalker ... she might be marrying Matt as a next-best-thing for
> all I know (I think we can be assured that the marriage is of convenience, not
> love) ...
Ashley tells the truth....Matty may not know about it because I started
stalking Ashley long before my darling brought joy here, but though I'm a
woman obsessed, I do love my Matty. So nyah.
> and when we announce at her reception that we were married at Elk
> Green last week, why, she might dye her hair ... umm ... Janice-coloured ...
> and secret your remains in her Forensic Anthropology laboratory, while poor
> Matt wonders where is new wife has gone, and I cope with Janice's strange
> personality conversion.
I really hope Janice has a better hair color than mine...and I also hope
I don't have to cut too much...it's been growing out for *ages*
Yeah...I'd do it all just to torment you for a bit, but I wouldn't
abandon Matty...maybe I can impersonate Janice on the weekends and count
on her acting in true soap fashion and never ever communicating remotely
uselful information to another character under any circumstances...
Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
Christine Malcom
Ashley Lambert-Maberly <ASH...@oldadm.ubc.ca> wrote:
>>I'm going to do a reading at my brother's wedding.
>>I sure hope that my flesh doesn't sizzle on contact with the Bible.
>
>>Christine Malcom
>
>with holding a Bible.
Damn, I regrettably still have a reflection.
And I was looking forward to sizzling.
Oh well, maybe the Holy Water will have some fun in store.
Christine "I knew the bride when she used to channel Satan" Malcom
Christine Malcom
I ask for no more...
Christine "Well, someone to cook occasionally and change the cat litter once in a while would be great" Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu)
Patty Sawyer-Ethen
In article <lind1-24059...@doe6189134.llnl.gov>, li...@llnl.gov
says...
:
:In article <4o4n7r$2...@morrow.stanford.edu>,
:Mat.Tr...@forsythe.stanford.edu (Valley of the Calls) wrote:
:
:: :Weeeeeelll....do you do Copacabana? And The Night Chicago Died?
:: :
:: :Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
::
:: Not to mention.."Dancing Queen," and "Love Is in The Air!"
::
:: Matt
:
:"Close to You" by The Carpenters. Oh please, oh please.
:
:"why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are neeeeeear?
:"just like me, they long to be, close to you"
:
:la la la
:
: - greg, with the clear pants on
How about "Devil With The Blue Dress On?" And I don't mean Christine!
Patty "Oh God, hubby just came over here, read this and said, 'You're starting
to scare me!'"
Valley of the Calls
>:
>:"Close to You" by The Carpenters. Oh please, oh please.
>:
>:"why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are neeeeeear?
>:"just like me, they long to be, close to you"
>:
>:la la la
>:
>: - greg, with the clear pants on
>
>How about "Devil With The Blue Dress On?" And I don't mean Christine!
>
>Patty "Oh God, hubby just came over here, read this and said, 'You're starting
>to scare me!'"
>
I wasn't planning on wearing blue, though I love electric blue
anything! Let's have Opal wear that blue sapphire sparkly number to
the wedding!
Matt
FAC Myrtle
Valley of the Calls
>>And you have my heart!
>
>I ask for no more...
>
>Christine "Well, someone to cook occasionally and change the cat litter once in a while would be great" Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu)
>Department of Anthropology
Oh can I pack up my John Martin?? He cleans the cat boxes! But I do
most of the cooking so you see it could work out??
Matt"and he likes to garden"
FAC Myrtle
Christine Malcom
Absolutely, the more in the marriage the marriagier...er...merrier too..
Definitely bring your John Martin, though I'd suggest buying him a ticket
rather than packing him.
Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
Valley of the Calls
>
>This has possibilities though ... you see, Christine is my official
>long-distance stalker ... she might be marrying Matt as a next-best-thing for
>all I know (I think we can be assured that the marriage is of convenience, not
>Green last week, why, she might dye her hair ... umm ... Janice-coloured ...
>and secret your remains in her Forensic Anthropology laboratory, while poor
>Matt wonders where is new wife has gone, and I cope with Janice's strange
>personality conversion.
>
>n'est-ce-pas? Let me know ...
>
Aah!! But Ashley *I* have the Peach Hyacinth Hand Lotion!! (wink)
Matt
FAC Myrtle
Valley of the Calls
>
>Ashley tells the truth....Matty may not know about it because I started
>stalking Ashley long before my darling brought joy here, but though I'm a
>woman obsessed, I do love my Matty. So nyah.
>Christine Malcom (cm...@midway.uchicago.edu) Department of Anthropology
This is very true! I say to people all the time , "I love Christine
Malcom!" "I had a secret love!"
Matt"Guess my secrets no secret anymore!"
FAC Myrtle