OLTL:Nora & Troy
JOHNGY1
of the pairing? I still think it seems forced and phoney. I was originally in
the 'Reunite Bo & Nora' corner, but I don't care much for that anymore, since
both characters seem so out of character anyway. I just don't like the way
Nora acts like Troy is the love of her life. He still did some Colin-esque
things, which Nora seems to ignore. They just bug me together.
Natasha
No, I don't like them either. I read somewhere months ago that TPTB felt TT
and HSB had loads of chemistry when TT was Colin. But because Colin went too
over the deep end, he had to be bumped off and it would be offensive to
viewers to depict an intelligent, self-confident woman as Nora used to be
falling for a man who had imprisoned her, etc.
So Colin was revamped as Troy and voila! I don't see all this great
chemistry that people thought was there, although perhaps there's a bit more
than w/ Nora and Sam (yeesh!).
I hate the way Troy has come off as this miracle healer and major
humanitarian, as well as super hero. And it still gives me the creeps to
think of falling in love w/ a man who looks and sounds identical to the man
who was a psychopath and held the woman prisoner.
I'm no Nora-Troy fan, that's for sure. I doubt she and Bo will ever get back
together, but that was the best pairing for her (IMO) since she's been on
the show. Oh well.
Natasha
Kim
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Yea, I don't know what it is, but the pairing bugs me too. It just seems
forced. I no longer care about Bo & Nora either. Actually, I could really
careless about Bo all together.
Rthrquiet
>But because Colin went too
>over the deep end, he had to be bumped off and it would be offensive to
>viewers to depict an intelligent, self-confident woman as Nora used to be
>falling for a man who had imprisoned her, etc.
And yet this stuff they're feeding us *is* supposed to be credible and *isn't*
supposed to be offensive? I saw the Friday of Live Week, when Nora and Colin
first had sex (I just can't make myself say "made love" because it seemed so
contrived to me). I think Hillary B. Smith is top-notch, and even she couldn't
seem to come up with a convincing way to play the drivel dialogue they were
giving her to explain why she "had to" move forward with a relationship with
Trolin (pronounced "Trawlin"; the alternative would be "Coy," I guess, but that
applies more to the writers). I don't think she (HBS) bought it, and she sure
didn't make me buy it. And when a really, really good actress can't make the
material believable, despite the fact that you can see she's really trying,
that really says something. It's very noble of Nora not to hold Troy
responsible for what Colin did to her and to want to take pains to treat him
fairly, but c'mon, the fact that he looks just like Colin would have creep her
out.
I don't care anymore whether there's a Nora-Bo reunion, and as long as they're
going to write Sam as a hot-headed Neanderthal, I guess I don't want Nora with
Sam either. But this thing with Trolin is just plain icky and makes Nora look
even dumber than when they were making her try to justify sleeping with Sam
(when she was married to Bo). Since I know they won't go with a "Nora is
entirely disgusted with the men around her and decides to remain happily single
for the indefinite future" storyline, how about putting her back with Hank?
Barring that, I'd take any relationship that makes her look strong, sensible,
and competent again as opposed to this love-starved ninny she's apparently
become. If she isn't reconciling with Bo and they won't put her back with Hank,
then can't she at least have somebody worthy of her? (Hint to Gary, Lorraine,
and Chris: Trolin isn't it.)
Michael
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I'm not either. There's something about Nora falling for the twin of the man
that held her captive for months that really turns my stomach.
That, plus the fact that Nora is willing to sleep with someone who slept with
her worst enemy (Lindsay) annoys me as well.
Nora and Troy are definitely my least two favorite characters on OLTL.
Troy because he's this shirt-less wonder, who can apparently do no wrong, and
Nora because she no longer has a brain. JMO, unpopular though it may be.
Had Colin never existed, my view might be different, but since he did, I can't
see why Nora would want to be with his twin.
startrek granny
>Since I know they won't go with a "Nora
> is entirely disgusted with the men
>... around her and decides to remain
> happily single for the indefinite future"
> storyline, how about putting her back>
> with Hank?
Happily single sounds great to me but you know that baloon won't fly in
soapland. That being the case I think you have a great idea there with
Hank. I didn't watch the show back then but they must have had a good
relationship since he's the one she remembered being married to when she
first came back from captivity. I, personally adore Max but I know I'm
alone there so moving on.......
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chased by a new man. I'm waiting for Troy's true colors to come out..he always
seems like he's hiding a darker side. (I guess Lindsay saw some of that)
>Now that the couple is official (at least for now), what is everyone's
>opinion
>of the pairing? I still think it seems forced and phoney.
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Rthrquiet
>Happily single sounds great to me but you know that baloon won't fly in
>soapland.
No, I know, they just don't "do" that kind of storyline. Still, it's the only
thing I can think of that might really redeem the character of Nora for me and
restore her to some kind of balance. If she just woke up one day and said, "My
God, I've spent the last four years of my life obsessing over one man or
another and you know what? That's not me. I need to take some time and assess
my life and my relationships before I go plunging into the next one. Troy
MacIver? Twin brother of Colin MacIver, who terrorized me? What was I
*thinking*?" But as you noted, they'll never go there.
>That being the case I think you have a great idea there with
>Hank. I didn't watch the show back then but they must have had a good
>relationship since he's the one she remembered being married to when she
>first came back from captivity. I, personally adore Max but I know I'm
>alone there so moving on.......
>
I think she was already divorced from Hank when she came on the show, but of
all the men in Nora's life since she's been in Llanview, he seems to me to have
the healthiest attitude toward her. I'm not sure what was supposed to have gone
wrong in their marriage, but divorced spouses have been known to get back
together on soaps . . . .
Michael
The Bvilles
>
> Happily single sounds great to me but you know that baloon won't fly in
> soapland. That being the case I think you have a great idea there with
> Hank. I didn't watch the show back then but they must have had a good
> relationship since he's the one she remembered being married to when she
> first came back from captivity. I, personally adore Max but I know I'm
> alone there so moving on.......
>
Actually, you're not alone. I really enjoy Max doing the comedy thing and I think a pairing of Max and Nora would at least be more interesting than Nora and Troy. Max and Nora have an easy rapport with each other.
Xan
Suzanne Dallapè
"The Bvilles" <res0...@gte.net> wrote in message
> I really enjoy Max doing the comedy thing and I think a pairing of Max and
Nora would at least be more interesting than Nora and Troy. Max and Nora
have an easy rapport with each other.
I agree. They are played by two good actors who click really well in scenes
together. They have always had a sort of affectionate respect for each
other too. Their ease on today's show, when they were talking about Max's
marriage, was stunning, and they didn't even do much! I don't know if Max
and Nora could meld character-wise, but the two actors certainly look more
dynamic together that Nora and Troy or Nora and Sam.
--S.
Donna L. Bridges
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rthr...@aol.com (Rthrquiet) shared:
>I don't care anymore whether there's a Nora-Bo reunion, and as long as they're
>going to write Sam as a hot-headed Neanderthal, I guess I don't want Nora with
>Sam either. ...
In his handling of Nora & her relationship with Troy & their shared
custody of Matthew, he is Alan Alda, all the way. Total sensitive
modern man.
As to her & Troy boinking, I simply don't believe it. Not credible.
Time to fiddle one's thumbs, think about whether I like this new
[again] longer hairstyle on HBS or not, etc.
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Rthrquiet
>>I don't care anymore whether there's a Nora-Bo reunion, and as long as
>they're
>>going to write Sam as a hot-headed Neanderthal, I guess I don't want Nora
>with
>>Sam either. ...
>
>In his handling of Nora & her relationship with Troy & their shared
>custody of Matthew, he is Alan Alda, all the way. Total sensitive
>modern man.
>
Oh, so they've banished that weird, obsessive, chronically angry and yelling
guy that Sam had become the last time I tuned in with any regularity (which was
about the time Troy Boy appeared). Whew, what a relief. I wasn't minding the
Larry Lau recast as much as I thought, but at the time, they were continuing to
write Sam as they had during the last year or so of Kale Browne's tenure, as
this hotheaded, dictatorial, overbearing type, and I didn't like the Lau
version of that any better than I had liked the Browne version. I'm glad to
hear they've gotten Sam back on an even keel.
>As to her & Troy boinking, I simply don't believe it. Not credible.
>Time to fiddle one's thumbs, think about whether I like this new
>[again] longer hairstyle on HBS or not, etc.
When a gifted actress like HBS can't sell me on something, there are PROBLEMS.
Big ones. And I did not buy one syllable of Nora's "explanation" the last day
of Live Week, which was the day she and Troy Boy slept together for the first
time. I could almost *see* HBS struggling to make it credible, and that was
painful to watch. I mean, I felt bad *for HBS* as much as for the viewers.
Michael
Natasha
Rthrquiet wrote:
>Donna L. Bridges wrote:
>>In his handling of Nora & her relationship with Troy & their shared
>>custody of Matthew, he is Alan Alda, all the way. Total sensitive
>>modern man.
>Oh, so they've banished that weird, obsessive, chronically angry and
yelling
>guy that Sam had become the last time I tuned in with any regularity (which
was
>about the time Troy Boy appeared). Whew, what a relief. I wasn't minding
the
>Larry Lau recast as much as I thought, but at the time, they were
continuing to
>write Sam as they had during the last year or so of Kale Browne's tenure,
as
>this hotheaded, dictatorial, overbearing type, and I didn't like the Lau
>version of that any better than I had liked the Browne version. I'm glad to
>hear they've gotten Sam back on an even keel.
Well, don't break out the champagne glasses yet, Michael! IMO, Sam is as
much a jerk as ever. On Friday, he went looking for Blair in a very
proprietary way, when no one asked for his help. He saw her car parked in
front of Break Bar, so went in to see what she was up to. When he didn't see
her anywhere in plain sight, he had a female patron check the ladies' room,
and when that turned up nothing, he took it upon himself to check private
areas not intended for customers. Blair was in some kind of back room w/
Chad to makeout and her dress was off, as was his shirt. Sam burst in the
room, hollered at Chad to "Get off of her!!" (they were standing) and he
rushed over to cover Blair in this very proprietary way w/ his suit coat. He
yelled at Chad abusively and ordered him out of the room, when in fact Chad
as an employee had a right to be there and Sam, as a visitor and not even a
paying customer, did not.
Then he took Blair home and carried her up to her bed, although she appeared
perfectly able to walk, albeit a little wobbily. Some people might call what
Sam did the act of a devoted friend and/or attorney looking out for a
friend/client who he views as vulnerable since she was badly wounded by her
husband. But I say, who asked him? Last I heard, Blair doesn't have to get
permission from Sam, or anyone, to go out for drinks or seek male
companionship. It's one thing to advise a client that her actions may be
compromising her legal position in an upcoming divorce/custody
determination. It's another thing altogether to hunt the client down
unsolicited, burst into private rooms uninvited and bellow like a jealous
husband at a young man she happens to be w/, cover her up like he owns her
and cart her off in his arms like a sack of potatoes, depositing her in her
bed.
If he was really so concerned about her, why didn't he guide her to a chair
or couch in her living room and make her some coffee? No, instead he carries
her in his arms up to her bedroom like she was a two-yr-old and plops her in
her bed, hovering over her lasciviously.
I'll grant you he behaved reasonably and maturely a few days ago, when he
brought Matthew home and found Nora and Troy smooching on the sofa. But my
guess is the only reason he didn't get huffy is because he got over Nora,
the supposed love of his life, in about two minutes, and is distracted
enough by his interest in Blair to not give a crap what Nora does these
days...or who she does it w/.
No, if you ask me, Sam is still a first-class....well, male sex organ. He's
just about my least-favorite character right now. He even makes Assholio
look nearly virtuous by comparison.
Natasha
Ursa
> I don't care anymore whether there's a Nora-Bo reunion, and as long as
they're
> going to write Sam as a hot-headed Neanderthal, I guess I don't want Nora
with
> Sam either. But this thing with Trolin is just plain icky and makes Nora
look
> even dumber than when they were making her try to justify sleeping with
Sam
> (when she was married to Bo). Since I know they won't go with a "Nora is
> entirely disgusted with the men around her and decides to remain happily
single
> for the indefinite future" storyline, how about putting her back with
Hank?
> Barring that, I'd take any relationship that makes her look strong,
sensible,
> and competent again as opposed to this love-starved ninny she's apparently
> become. If she isn't reconciling with Bo and they won't put her back with
Hank,
> then can't she at least have somebody worthy of her? (Hint to Gary,
Lorraine,
> and Chris: Trolin isn't it.)
>
> Michael
>
....next week on a "very special" OLTL.....Nora and Lindsay discover that
there's a very fine line between love & hate.....just kidding......
I always hoped they'd return some level of professional and personal
competence to both Bo and Nora and put them back together, but I'm not
holding my breath on this one, either. The Nora/Troy thing is, well, yeah,
kinda freaking me out, too. Apparently, less of Nora's mind came back than
we were led to believe, and half the time, I catch myself wondering if
Collin actually died.....
My Theory: Collin secretly got the real Troy to come see him the same day
he kidnapped Nora after the dinner party - probably invited him to a
conference on Psychoses in Twins (possibly with the intention of killing him
himself). A drugged Nora mistakenly threw a confused Troy down the stairs
("I was just looking for the bathroom!"), but she, of course kept a
repressed memory of killing Collin - how would she know the difference?
Collin is now "dead", free of all those little legal hassles, free to nail
Lindsay (I meant that in the legal sense, but go there, if you must), and
free to openly pursue Nora as Troy....of course, this would make Nora's
current relationship about a thousand times ickier than it is.......just a
thought.
Take Care,
Ursa
Rthrquiet
>Well, don't break out the champagne glasses yet, Michael! IMO, Sam is as
>much a jerk as ever.
Oh well, drat.
>On Friday, he went looking for Blair in a very
>proprietary way,
Just breaking in to say: I wondered, on Day 1 of Live Week, when he was so
solicitous of Blair and her feelings upon learning about Todd's manipulations,
whether they were planning to go back down the road of Sam and Blair, Round 2.
I'm glad to see that my soap foreshadowing sensibilities have not atrophied.
>when no one asked for his help. He saw her car parked in
>front of Break Bar, so went in to see what she was up to. When he didn't see
>her anywhere in plain sight, he had a female patron check the ladies' room,
>and when that turned up nothing, he took it upon himself to check private
>areas not intended for customers. Blair was in some kind of back room w/
>Chad to makeout and her dress was off, as was his shirt. Sam burst in the
>room, hollered at Chad to "Get off of her!!" (they were standing) and he
>rushed over to cover Blair in this very proprietary way w/ his suit coat. He
>yelled at Chad abusively and ordered him out of the room, when in fact Chad
>as an employee had a right to be there and Sam, as a visitor and not even a
>paying customer, did not.
Yes, this is the Sam that I (unfortunately) recognize. Very similar to how he
was behaving when Troy first came to town--hotheaded, opinionated, dictatorial,
and overbearing, ranting and raving all over the place and trying to strong-arm
Colin into leaving town. Alas. Remember how charming and supportive-of-Nora
Sam was when he first came to town? I liked him. I'd like to have that Sam back
again.
>Then he took Blair home and carried her up to her bed, although she appeared
>perfectly able to walk, albeit a little wobbily. Some people might call what
>Sam did the act of a devoted friend and/or attorney looking out for a
>friend/client who he views as vulnerable since she was badly wounded by her
>husband. But I say, who asked him? Last I heard, Blair doesn't have to get
>permission from Sam, or anyone, to go out for drinks or seek male
>companionship. It's one thing to advise a client that her actions may be
>compromising her legal position in an upcoming divorce/custody
>determination. It's another thing altogether to hunt the client down
>unsolicited, burst into private rooms uninvited and bellow like a jealous
>husband at a young man she happens to be w/, cover her up like he owns her
>and cart her off in his arms like a sack of potatoes, depositing her in her
>bed.
Pretty puke-inducing behavior in my book, and I find it appalling that Lorraine
and Chris apparently think this is an appropriate way for him to signal his
interest in Blair, in such a way that we'll root for Sam to win her heart.
Eeeew. To me it sounds only a few steps above caveman-dragging-woman-by-hair
tactics. OK, so he knows she's vulnerable and might do something she'll regret
later. It's noble of him to want to save her from that, but she's a big girl.
This is *Blair* we're talking about, for goodness sakes: she does *not* need
*anyone* to protect her.
>If he was really so concerned about her, why didn't he guide her to a chair
>or couch in her living room and make her some coffee? No, instead he carries
>her in his arms up to her bedroom like she was a two-yr-old and plops her in
>her bed, hovering over her lasciviously.
>
>I'll grant you he behaved reasonably and maturely a few days ago, when he
>brought Matthew home and found Nora and Troy smooching on the sofa. But my
>guess is the only reason he didn't get huffy is because he got over Nora,
>the supposed love of his life, in about two minutes, and is distracted
>enough by his interest in Blair to not give a crap what Nora does these
>days...or who she does it w/.
Can we say, "changed storyline directions?" I thought we could. Apparently
they've decided, for God knows what reason, to go with Nora/Troy as the next
hot pairing, so they've got to do something with Sam fast, hey, I know, let's
put him back with Blair since Todd's leaving.
>No, if you ask me, Sam is still a first-class....well, male sex organ. He's
>just about my least-favorite character right now. He even makes Assholio
>look nearly virtuous by comparison.
Oh now *that's* really saying something, given how truly loathsome the Holio
has been since his return from the West Coast. If Sam has ventured into that
territory, I fear he may be lost to us forever. Yuck.
Michael
Natasha
Rthrquiet wrote:
>"Natasha wrote:
>>Well, don't break out the champagne glasses yet, Michael! IMO, Sam is as
>>much a jerk as ever.
>>On Friday, he went looking for Blair in a very
>>proprietary way,
>Just breaking in to say: I wondered, on Day 1 of Live Week, when he was so
>solicitous of Blair and her feelings upon learning about Todd's
manipulations,
>whether they were planning to go back down the road of Sam and Blair, Round
2.
>I'm glad to see that my soap foreshadowing sensibilities have not
atrophied.
No, they're intact and sharp as ever, IMO, Michael. This was my intuition as
well. Which is absurd in that Sam dumped Blair because she kept something
from him -- a "secret" she had every right to keep to herself, IMO (she knew
Todd was faking the DID). No discussion, no second chance, no stopping to
talk things over to see if they could be worked out. He reasoned she had
proved herself unworthy of his Superior Sam Morality, and he cut her from
his life on the spot. What's changed since then that he finds her more
suitable? Is it because he's since evolved into enough of a moral
compromiser to recognize the hypocracy of dumping a woman who isn't squeaky
clean honest?
>>when no one asked for his help. He saw her car parked in
>>front of Break Bar, so went in to see what she was up to. When he didn't
see
>>her anywhere in plain sight, he had a female patron check the ladies'
room,
>>and when that turned up nothing, he took it upon himself to check private
>>areas not intended for customers. Blair was in some kind of back room w/
>>Chad to makeout and her dress was off, as was his shirt. Sam burst in the
>>room, hollered at Chad to "Get off of her!!" (they were standing) and he
>>rushed over to cover Blair in this very proprietary way w/ his suit coat.
He
>>yelled at Chad abusively and ordered him out of the room, when in fact
Chad
>>as an employee had a right to be there and Sam, as a visitor and not even
a
>>paying customer, did not.
>Yes, this is the Sam that I (unfortunately) recognize. Very similar to how
he
>was behaving when Troy first came to town--hotheaded, opinionated,
dictatorial,
>and overbearing, ranting and raving all over the place and trying to
strong-arm
>Troy into leaving town.
Yeah, that's him all right! Did you see the scene from back then when Sam
entered Troy's apartment illegally to toss the place and went into
histrionics when he came across a box of African art artifacts? He acted
like he took this as evidence Troy was a full-fledged witch doctor and
canibal. LOL!
>Alas. Remember how charming and supportive-of-Nora
>Sam was when he first came to town? I liked him. I'd like to have that Sam
>back again.
Yes, I do remember, and I liked him, too, and would love to have that Sam
back. Not this sleazy hypocrite he's morphed into.
>>Then he took Blair home and carried her up to her bed, although she
appeared
>>perfectly able to walk, albeit a little wobbily. Some people might call
what
>>Sam did the act of a devoted friend and/or attorney looking out for a
>>friend/client who he views as vulnerable since she was badly wounded by
<snip>
>Pretty puke-inducing behavior in my book, and I find it appalling that
Lorraine
>and Chris apparently think this is an appropriate way for him to signal his
>interest in Blair, in such a way that we'll root for Sam to win her heart.
>Eeeew. To me it sounds only a few steps above
caveman-dragging-woman->by-hair tactics.
It is right there! Only difference is he carried her, not dragged her by her
hair. And yes, I do think the writers assume this will appeal to women. I
can't speak for my entire sex, of course...but it sure don't appeal to me!
>OK, so he knows she's vulnerable and might do something she'll regret
>later. It's noble of him to want to save her from that, but she's a big
girl.
>This is *Blair* we're talking about, for goodness sakes: she does *not*
need
>*anyone* to protect her.
That's right. Blair isn't his 14-yr-old daughter. She's very much a grown
woman and if she wants to go to bars, get blitzed and pick up guys, that's
her choice, and her right. It's not up to Sam to police her.
>>I'll grant you he behaved reasonably and maturely a few days ago, when he
>>brought Matthew home and found Nora and Troy smooching on the sofa. But my
>>guess is the only reason he didn't get huffy is because he got over Nora,
>>the supposed love of his life, in about two minutes, and is distracted
>>enough by his interest in Blair to not give a crap what Nora does these
>>days...or who she does it w/.
>Can we say, "changed storyline directions?" I thought we could.
LOL!
>Apparently they've decided, for God knows what reason, to go with
>Nora/Troy as the next
>hot pairing, so they've got to do something with Sam fast, hey, I know,
let's
>put him back with Blair since Todd's leaving.
That's my interpretation, as well. You probably also don't know that a
couple of months ago, when Sam was all broken up for about a half hour after
he told Nora it was over, Sam himself got wasted, Blair shepherded him from
the bar at the Palace, and he pulled her down on top of him on the couch
where she had him lie down, and locked lips w/ her. Todd walked in on them,
separated them and I think he decked Sam, too. Blair said Sam was wasted and
she didn't want the kiss...but I tell you she didn't appear to me to be
trying too hard to stop it.
I can't get over all the people on this show who are unwilling participants
in big ol' long smooches. I've never had a kiss forced on me for more than a
second. But in Llanview, folks there seem powerless to fend off unwanted
kisses.
>>No, if you ask me, Sam is still a first-class....well, male sex organ.
He's
>>just about my least-favorite character right now. He even makes Assholio
>>look nearly virtuous by comparison.
>Oh now *that's* really saying something, given how truly loathsome the
Holio
>has been since his return from the West Coast. If Sam has ventured into
>that territory, I fear he may be lost to us forever. Yuck.
Yeah. The guy's a jerk.
Natasha
kaci
"Rthrquiet" <rthr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020527231854...@mb-fn.aol.com...
> Troy
> MacIver? Twin brother of Colin MacIver, who terrorized me? What was I
> *thinking*?" But as you noted, they'll never go there.
I don't have a real problem with Nora dating Colin's brother. Ok, they look
the same but Troy is not Colin. What bothers me is that I see no basis for
the relatively sudden, intense attraction they both have for one another. An
attraction which, for Nora, is so strong she can get over Sam in a day or
so. At least with Bo, she suffered some angst, but now it's, "Oh well,
that's how it goes".
I wish they would go there, and we discover Nora has-- what is that syndrome
where you grow to love your victimizer (or in this case, a reasonable
facsimile)? If it turned out Nora was indeed has not been in her right mind
for a while, I'd be satisfied with that explanation for her un-Nora like
behavior.
kaci
Natasha
kaci wrote:
>I don't have a real problem with Nora dating Colin's brother. Ok, they look
>the same but Troy is not Colin. What bothers me is that I see no basis for
>the relatively sudden, intense attraction they both have for one another.
An
>attraction which, for Nora, is so strong she can get over Sam in a day or
>so. At least with Bo, she suffered some angst, but now it's, "Oh well,
>that's how it goes".
That's because I'm convinced she never cared all that much about Sam. She
just liked the secure feeling of being adored, especially after Bo dumped
her.
>I wish they would go there, and we discover Nora has-- what is that
syndrome
>where you grow to love your victimizer (or in this case, a reasonable
>facsimile)?
Stockholm Syndrome. Named after a famous hostage siege years ago in
Stockholm, Sweden in which hostages, once freed, wouldn't testify against
their captors and some of them expressed empathy and concern for the captors
and sought out personal contact w/ them after the siege was over.
Natasha
KMS
Rthrquiet wrote:
> I think she was already divorced from Hank when she came on the show, but of
> all the men in Nora's life since she's been in Llanview, he seems to me to have
> the healthiest attitude toward her. I'm not sure what was supposed to have gone
> wrong in their marriage, but divorced spouses have been known to get back
> together on soaps . . . .
I think what went wrong in their marriage was RJ. Wasn't there some question at
one point about whether Hank or RJ was Rachael's father? Or did I dream that?
As far as Nora and Troy, I wasn't even watching during the Colin stuff and it
still weirds me out. It does feel forced, and it hasn't been handled well. At
first Nora was completely freaked out by Troy because he looked so much like
Colin. Then she practically became best buddies with him. Then she was attracted
to him for ages and ages. Then they started in with lots of smooching. Then,
after all that attraction and all that smooching she suddenly has a moment of
clarity where the whole Troy/Colin thing puts her off. Then she gets over it in
like 12 hours. Wha..?
This whole excuse about the actors having chemistry doesn't quite fly with me.
RH and Susan Haskell, who played Marty, had loads of chemistry together (not
sexual chemistry - acting chemistry). Their scenes together were amazing and the
two actors really seemed to bring out one another's best work. But can you
imagine if they'd killed Todd and brought back RH as his identical twin to
romance Marty?! Ewww!
-Kathy
Tante Joan
<badge...@puttyhead.combustible> wrote:
>Rthrquiet wrote:
>
>
>> I think she was already divorced from Hank when she came on the show, but of
>> all the men in Nora's life since she's been in Llanview, he seems to me to have
>> the healthiest attitude toward her. I'm not sure what was supposed to have gone
>> wrong in their marriage, but divorced spouses have been known to get back
>> together on soaps . . . .
>
>
>I think what went wrong in their marriage was RJ. Wasn't there some question at
>one point about whether Hank or RJ was Rachael's father? Or did I dream that?
No, but that's not why their marriage broke up. In fact, Hank didn't
know about Nora's affair -- a one-night stand, really -- with RJ until
long after the divorce, when Rachel was grown and going through her
druggie experience. And, for the record, although there was much
speculation about Rachel's paternity on the newsgroup and, very
briefly, by Rachel, Nora stated categorically that Hank was the
father, period.
Nora and Hank's marriage broke up over politics more than anything
else. They loved each other, but Hank became very involved in black
power politics on campus. He began spending less time with his white,
Jewish wife, who responded rather like Blair does now: she partied
hearty, drinking too much and flirting with RJ. RJ's constant envy of
his brother's Golden Boy position in the family translated into a
seduction of Hank's wife. But once Nora became pregnant she cleaned
up her act, and Hank's brush with a radical group's bombing of a
campus facility (he was innocent, but RJ later tried to frame him)
made them reconcile and make a go of it during Rachel's early
childhood. It didn't stick, and they divorced, about the time when
she and Sam first connected.
I, too, believe that Hank remains Nora's true love, more than Bo.
They are so good together, it is almost criminal that we never saw
them in the days when their love was strong. Very briefly, when Nora
came back to herself after her captivity, she thought she was still
married to Hank. I always felt cheated that that story didn't lead to
a true reconciliation. Sigh.
TJ
Natasha
Tante Joan wrote:
>No, but that's not why their marriage broke up. In fact, Hank didn't
>know about Nora's affair -- a one-night stand, really -- with RJ until
>long after the divorce, when Rachel was grown and going through her
>druggie experience. And, for the record, although there was much
>speculation about Rachel's paternity on the newsgroup and, very
>briefly, by Rachel, Nora stated categorically that Hank was the
>father, period.
Thank you! I remember hearing that, too, and when I quoted it once, a bunch
of folks corrected me and said it didn't mean anything because Nora fudged
on that and couched her definition of "father" in psuedo-terms.
Let them say what they like; it is my humble opinion that Rachel is Hank's
daughter...his biological child.
>Nora and Hank's marriage broke up over politics more than anything
>else. They loved each other, but Hank became very involved in black
>power politics on campus. He began spending less time with his white,
>Jewish wife, who responded rather like Blair does now: she partied
>hearty, drinking too much and flirting with RJ. RJ's constant envy of
>his brother's Golden Boy position in the family translated into a
>seduction of Hank's wife. But once Nora became pregnant she cleaned
>up her act, and Hank's brush with a radical group's bombing of a
>campus facility (he was innocent, but RJ later tried to frame him)
>made them reconcile and make a go of it during Rachel's early
>childhood. It didn't stick, and they divorced, about the time when
>she and Sam first connected.
See, I remember it differently here. I recall Hank saying the black politics
stuff on campus and breaking into the dean's office happened before he met
Nora. I always figured they met in law school. I remember Nora telling Bo
that she and Hank both got into their careers pretty heavily, and we're also
partying and drinking kind of heavily in whatever time they had outside
their work and that's when they began to drift apart. That's when she said
the slip w/ RJ happened. I also swear I remember Rachel once saying
something about her being 10 or 11 when her parents divorced. This is the
big reason I think RJ could not be her father. His dalliance w/ Nora
occurred toward the end of her marriage w/ Hank, and according to Rachel,
she was well into the world by then.
Maybe my memory of all this is flawed, and maybe history has been amended in
revision. But that's how I remember it, and that's the history I'm sticking
to.
>I, too, believe that Hank remains Nora's true love, more than Bo.
>They are so good together, it is almost criminal that we never saw
>them in the days when their love was strong. Very briefly, when Nora
>came back to herself after her captivity, she thought she was still
>married to Hank. I always felt cheated that that story didn't lead to
>a true reconciliation. Sigh.
I know. I felt that way too. I always thought it was extremely significant
pyschologically that when Nora's memory returned, this is where it
started... back in her marriage to Hank, prior to things turning sour.
I think they have a much more natural and believable rapport than her and
Troy...even though Hank-Nora bonding moments are few and far between.
Natasha
Tante Joan
wrote:
>
>Tante Joan wrote:
>>No, but that's not why their marriage broke up. In fact, Hank didn't
>>know about Nora's affair -- a one-night stand, really -- with RJ until
>>long after the divorce, when Rachel was grown and going through her
>>druggie experience. And, for the record, although there was much
>>speculation about Rachel's paternity on the newsgroup and, very
>>briefly, by Rachel, Nora stated categorically that Hank was the
>>father, period.
>
>Thank you! I remember hearing that, too, and when I quoted it once, a bunch
>of folks corrected me and said it didn't mean anything because Nora fudged
>on that and couched her definition of "father" in psuedo-terms.
>
>Let them say what they like; it is my humble opinion that Rachel is Hank's
>daughter...his biological child.
>
Me too. Although I did feel sorry for RJ, in his momentary excitement
about being Rachel's dad. I suspect that was the inspiration for the
current Keri storyline.
No, I think your time line is right and my recollection wrong. got
the emotions right, but apparently put th marriage earlier than it
really occurred, though I do have a distinct memory of Nora saying
that her being white and Jewish was a factor politically. That always
interested me (being Jewish), because he apparently got past the
feeling very quickly. In fact, I really loved the way that Hank was
adored by Nora's parents, and still is. And at Nora's memorial
service, which Hank organized, he wore a yarmulke.
>>I, too, believe that Hank remains Nora's true love, more than Bo.
>>They are so good together, it is almost criminal that we never saw
>>them in the days when their love was strong. Very briefly, when Nora
>>came back to herself after her captivity, she thought she was still
>>married to Hank. I always felt cheated that that story didn't lead to
>>a true reconciliation. Sigh.
>
>I know. I felt that way too. I always thought it was extremely significant
>pyschologically that when Nora's memory returned, this is where it
>started... back in her marriage to Hank, prior to things turning sour.
>
Yes, she returned to a mental place where she was secure and loved.
>I think they have a much more natural and believable rapport than her and
>Troy...even though Hank-Nora bonding moments are few and far between.
>
Whenever they are together, they have a natural rhythm one sees in
successfully married couples. Nathan Purdee and Hilary B. Smith just
work together, period. I have to believe that if the writer ever got
smart and reunited them, they'd be a real anchor couple for the show.
TJ
Rthrquiet
>As far as Nora and Troy, I wasn't even watching during the Colin stuff and it
>
>still weirds me out. It does feel forced, and it hasn't been handled well.
The writing hasn't helped, but it's also problematic because Ty T. is sort of a
limited actor, and to me, at least, Troy and Colin are indistinguishable. They
more than just look alike: with the exception of toward the end, when Colin
went wacko, Troy and pre-wacko Colin seem largely interchangeable. If TT were
playing Troy in some way that clearly distinguished Troy from Colin, this all
might be at least a tad less ick-inducing. But he isn't, and consequently it
*feels* like Nora + Colin even though I know intellectually it's Nora + Troy.
And it's icky.
Michael
Nancy
turn out to be Colin.
KMS
Tante Joan wrote:
> No, but that's not why their marriage broke up. In fact, Hank didn't
> know about Nora's affair -- a one-night stand, really -- with RJ until
> long after the divorce, when Rachel was grown and going through her
> druggie experience. And, for the record, although there was much
> speculation about Rachel's paternity on the newsgroup and, very
> briefly, by Rachel, Nora stated categorically that Hank was the
> father, period.
Ah, thank you, it's starting to come back to me now! So it was nothing to do
with Hank's inability to get over Nora's affair with RJ? I remember that being a
big issue at one time. I know Hank held it against RJ for a long time, anyway,
and it was a big part of the bad blood between them when RJ first appeared on
the show, IIRC.
> I, too, believe that Hank remains Nora's true love, more than Bo.
> They are so good together, it is almost criminal that we never saw
> them in the days when their love was strong.
At this point I couldn't care less who they hook Nora up with because I find her
almost unbearable to watch. But maybe if they put her back with Hank, she'd be
more her old self and I could like her again.
-Kathy
Natasha
KMS wrote:
>Ah, thank you, it's starting to come back to me now! So it was nothing to
do
>with Hank's inability to get over Nora's affair with RJ? I remember that
being a
>big issue at one time. I know Hank held it against RJ for a long time,
anyway,
>and it was a big part of the bad blood between them when RJ first appeared
on
>the show, IIRC.
No, that's not true. Hank didn't know about the thing w/ Nora and his
brother then. He didn't find out about it for quite a while. He and RJ had
been on the outs for years. Hank was the straight-arrow, successful,
do-gooder, while RJ was a repeat offender and long-standing ne'er-do-well.
RJ did mess w/ Hank's fiance, Sheila Price, though. He played this game like
he was going to blackmail her for sex w/ the security tape he had of Hank
breaking into the dean's office. Maybe that's what you're thinking about.
Natasha
Donna L. Bridges
rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc <20020528084049...@mb-mh.aol.com>
rthr...@aol.com (Rthrquiet) shared:
>>In his handling of Nora & her relationship with Troy & their shared
>>custody of Matthew, he is Alan Alda, all the way. Total sensitive
>>modern man.
>
>Oh, so they've banished that weird, obsessive, chronically angry and yelling
>guy that Sam had become the last time I tuned in with any regularity (which was
>about the time Troy Boy appeared). Whew, what a relief. I wasn't minding the
>Larry Lau recast as much as I thought, but at the time, they were continuing to
>write Sam as they had during the last year or so of Kale Browne's tenure, as
>this hotheaded, dictatorial, overbearing type, and I didn't like the Lau
>version of that any better than I had liked the Browne version. I'm glad to
>hear they've gotten Sam back on an even keel.
I must have missed most of what you're pointing at. And, I definitely
did tune out for a while, so maybe so.
>When a gifted actress like HBS can't sell me on something, there are PROBLEMS.
>Big ones. And I did not buy one syllable of Nora's "explanation" the last day
>of Live Week, which was the day she and Troy Boy slept together for the first
>time. I could almost *see* HBS struggling to make it credible, and that was
>painful to watch. I mean, I felt bad *for HBS* as much as for the viewers.
She's a beautiful woman who gets paid to do something she's wonderful
at. If she is saddled with a loser romance for a long long time, then
I'll consider feeling sorry for her. <G> Till then, I'll just
concentrate on her, get a kick out of reading the accounts of that
live bed scene, maybe hold my thumb up to block him out of view.
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rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc <ad03jm$e9o$1...@bob.news.rcn.net> "Natasha"
<star...@enteract.com> shared:
But, yet, what has been described happens to be exactly what a really
really good friend would have done for Blair. I just don't see
anything wrong about Sam's actions. They seem very realistic to me,
whether that had been Sam or had been a female friend, if Blair had
any in town at the moment.
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rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc <20020528130044...@mb-mh.aol.com>
rthr...@aol.com (Rthrquiet) shared:
>Yes, this is the Sam that I (unfortunately) recognize. Very similar to how he
>was behaving when Troy first came to town--hotheaded, opinionated, dictatorial,
>and overbearing, ranting and raving all over the place and trying to strong-arm
>Colin into leaving town. Alas. Remember how charming and supportive-of-Nora
>Sam was when he first came to town? I liked him. I'd like to have that Sam back
>again.
Okay, well, no, then, that's definitely not the Sam from this week
then.
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kaci
"Tante Joan" <tant...@SoftHome.net> wrote in message
news:9e28fus3v6clm2dbd...@4ax.com...
> And, for the record, although there was much
> speculation about Rachel's paternity on the newsgroup and, very
> briefly, by Rachel, Nora stated categorically that Hank was the
> father, period.
But did she? I remember Nora saying Hank was Rachel's father "in every way
that counts"-- or words similar. I was left with a sense that the question
was never really answered but I defer to the better memories of such RATSA
posters as yourself, TJ, and realize I could be wrong about this. At any
rate, the issue was tabled shortly after that, and I suspect for good.
>
> I, too, believe that Hank remains Nora's true love, more than Bo.
I actually thought *Sam* was-- they have the history, and when their lives
connected again years later, the spark was still there though they tried to
repress it for months. I bought it. I'm not talking about post-accident
Nora, who Sam pathetically tried to will into loving him again and when that
failed, tried to start afresh by creating new memories for the two of them
hoping the love would follow.
Had the crazy "having a baby with Sam for Bo" story never happened, I would
have thought *Bo* was her One True Love. But the contrivance created to get
Nora and Sam into bed was the beginning of the end for her, and ultimately
reduced Sam, Bo, and Hank (who I suspect carries a huge torch for her to
this day) to a trio of ex-lovers who can trade war stories over beers.
kaci
Chaoz
>really good friend would have done for Blair. I just don't see
>anything wrong about Sam's actions. They seem very realistic to me,
>whether that had been Sam or had been a female friend, if Blair had
>any in town at the moment.
I thought his actions were a bit cro-magnon, he was nice to get her out of a
situation which she would surely regret later (due to her lingering feelings
for Todd) but they way he did it was a bit much, it's not like the kid was
trying to rape her or hurting her.
Chaoz
Suzanne Dallapè
"kaci" <kac...@msn.com> wrote in message news:3cf5...@news.mhogaming.com...
>
> "Tante Joan" <tant...@SoftHome.net> wrote in message
> news:9e28fus3v6clm2dbd...@4ax.com...
> > And, for the record, although there was much
> > speculation about Rachel's paternity on the newsgroup and, very
> > briefly, by Rachel, Nora stated categorically that Hank was the
> > father, period.
>
> But did she? I remember Nora saying Hank was Rachel's father "in every way
> that counts"-- or words similar.
Yes, Kaci, that's EXACTLY what Nora said. She never "stated categorically"
that Hank was her father. They left it wide open. I assume the intent was
sort of like why Jess & Viki have not been tested for a DNA match. The
questions (who Rachel's father is, whether Jess is Viki's child) have been
answered and dropped for current purposes, but they left a huge loophole for
future stories as they should appear. Nora never said, "My affair with RJ
was way too late/early for him to be Rachel's father," or "I know my body
well enough to know exactly when I got pregnant" or anything else that would
give us no doubt.
--S.
Suzanne Dallapè
"Nancy" <TA...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12462-3CF...@storefull-2357.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> Nora and Troy bug me too, I think somewhere down the road Troy will be
> turn out to be Colin.
I thought that for a while, but I don't think it can be so, as witnessed by
the fact that we saw Troy (in the privacy of his own home--not for anyone
else's benefit) practicing to be Colin from the videotapes. If he were
truly Colin, he wouldn't have to practice (and get mad at himself when he
had an inflection or gesture wrong).
--S.
Donna L. Bridges
rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc <20020529180103...@mb-fl.aol.com>
chaoz...@aol.comnospam (Chaoz) shared:
>I thought his actions were a bit cro-magnon, he was nice to get her out of a
>situation which she would surely regret later (due to her lingering feelings
>for Todd) but they way he did it was a bit much, it's not like the kid was
>trying to rape her or hurting her.
Well, obviously it's a judgment call. I didn't think that Sam thought
he was averting a rape or an assault either. I just didn't get that
out of it. And, I did note that apparently from Blair's perspective it
was the right thing for him to have done. But, primarily it passed the
gender swap test. If it's not suspicious if it had been done by a
girlfriend or by Kelly or Cassie were either of them here, then it's a
fair litmus strip.
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Natasha
Donna L. Bridges wrote:
>Chaoz shared:
>>I thought his actions were a bit cro-magnon, he was nice to get her out of
a
>>situation which she would surely regret later (due to her lingering
feelings
>>for Todd) but they way he did it was a bit much, it's not like the kid was
>>trying to rape her or hurting her.
>Well, obviously it's a judgment call. I didn't think that Sam thought
>he was averting a rape or an assault either. I just didn't get that
>out of it. And, I did note that apparently from Blair's perspective it
>was the right thing for him to have done. But, primarily it passed the
>gender swap test. If it's not suspicious if it had been done by a
>girlfriend or by Kelly or Cassie were either of them here, then it's a
>fair litmus strip.
It would be one thing if Sam went to Break Bar for a drink or something and
ran into Blair stumbling drunk and some guy about to take advantage, or if
he saw her struggling and calling for help or saying "no" and being pushed
into something by some creep. It would be another thing, too, if Blair had
asked him to look out for her and keep her from doing something stupid, or
from drinking. But Sam took it upon himself to make himself Blair's
guardian, as though she was some hotpants teenager of his breaking curfew
and out on the town to raise hell.
He hunted her down and barged in on her in a room closed to customers and
chose to inject himself into a personal interaction she was having w/
someone which he had no immediate reason to think she didn't want. He
couldn't tell from first glance that she was too drunk to decide for herself
it's what she wanted. He made that decision for her. And he did it in a very
proprietary way, as though she was his property, hanging his coat on her,
bellowing at Chad as though he was a rapist and carting Blair up to her bed
like a sack of apples.
You may call that friendship, but that's no friend I'd want. I call that
sick, dysfunctional behavior...total overinvolvement. Blair is not his
responsibility and I think he could find a more worthy project. Why doesn't
he pay better attention to "parenting" the kids he does have here, Matthew
and Jen, both of whom really could use some parental guidance, and leave a
grown, unrelated woman and mother of two to live her own life and make her
own choices....and mistakes. If Blair winds up in bed w/ some guy in a bar
while so blotto she barely remembers and lives to regret it, then so be it.
Maybe she'll be smarter next time and find better ways to address her
psychic pain.
And if she gets pregnant again, I hope to heck she demands a thorough,
immediate investigation if anyone claims her baby died right after birth.
Natasha
Donna L. Bridges
rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc <ad3npu$4ea$1...@bob.news.rcn.net> "Natasha"
<star...@enteract.com> shared:
>It would be one thing if Sam went to Break Bar for a drink or something and
>ran into Blair stumbling drunk and some guy about to take advantage, or if
>he saw her struggling and calling for help or saying "no" and being pushed
>into something by some creep. It would be another thing, too, if Blair had
>asked him to look out for her and keep her from doing something stupid, or
>from drinking. But Sam took it upon himself to make himself Blair's
>guardian, as though she was some hotpants teenager of his breaking curfew
>and out on the town to raise hell.
Yeah, he did. Just like he took it on himself to drop by the house to
check on her. Yep, realized that fully, that he is the only person
outside of Blair who seems to have any insight into what's going on
with her & he has taken it upon himself to keep a watch. I would much
prefer that Kelly or Cassie or Dorian were in town, but, they're not.
>You may call that friendship, but that's no friend I'd want. ...
Yeah, that's why we have vanilla & chocolate in the world.
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kim birney
"Donna L. Bridges" wrote:
> But, primarily it passed the
> gender swap test. If it's not suspicious if it had been done by a
> girlfriend or by Kelly or Cassie were either of them here, then >it's a
> fair litmus strip.
I strongly disagree with this.
You are in a private room, getting ready to, um, do it with an
attractive member of the opposite sex. Suddenly, a girlfriend pops in
and acts like you are doing something wrong, and drags you out.
It doesn't work for me at all. It was all very strange, and has made me
start to think of Sam as kind of a jerk. And Blair as an idiot to have
put up with it.
kb
Donna L. Bridges
rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc <3CF56EAF...@cox.net> kim birney
<halfa...@cox.net> shared:
>"Donna L. Bridges" wrote:
>> But, primarily it passed the
>> gender swap test. If it's not suspicious if it had been done by a
>> girlfriend or by Kelly or Cassie were either of them here, then >it's a
>> fair litmus strip.
>
>I strongly disagree with this.
>
>You are in a private room, getting ready to, um, do it with an
>attractive member of the opposite sex. Suddenly, a girlfriend pops in
>and acts like you are doing something wrong, and drags you out.
Well, I didn't get that at all out of Sam, that it was a judgment of
him on me, I mean on Blair, LOL. But, was it a private room? I don't
think so. I think it was a staff room in a public place where anyone
could have walked in at any moment, else why was Chad so concerned
about doing it right there, right then? Anyway, disagreeing is
certainly allowed, especially on a judgment call like this one, IMO.
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Susan Barnett
shall...@rcn.com wrote on 5/29/02 5:19 PM:
> While hoping for spring on Thu, 30 May 2002 00:16:29 GMT, in
> rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc <3CF56EAF...@cox.net> kim birney
> <halfa...@cox.net> shared:
>
>> "Donna L. Bridges" wrote:
>>> But, primarily it passed the
>>> gender swap test. If it's not suspicious if it had been done by a
>>> girlfriend or by Kelly or Cassie were either of them here, then >it's a
>>> fair litmus strip.
>>
>> I strongly disagree with this.
>>
>> You are in a private room, getting ready to, um, do it with an
>> attractive member of the opposite sex. Suddenly, a girlfriend pops in
>> and acts like you are doing something wrong, and drags you out.
>
> Well, I didn't get that at all out of Sam, that it was a judgment of
> him on me, I mean on Blair, LOL. But, was it a private room? I don't
> think so. I think it was a staff room in a public place where anyone
> could have walked in at any moment, else why was Chad so concerned
> about doing it right there, right then? Anyway, disagreeing is
> certainly allowed, especially on a judgment call like this one, IMO.
Actually, I thought Blair and Chad were in the alley in back of Capricorn
when they were about to do it. When Chad called Blair the next day, didn't
he say he was sorry about what they had almost done "in back of Capricorn"?
I thought that was the reason Chad was so surprised that Blair wanted him to
take her right there and then -- and why Sam was able to walk in on them so
easily.
Susan
Donna L. Bridges
rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc <B91BE712.475C%slbw...@earthlink.net> Susan
Barnett <slbw...@earthlink.net> shared:
>in article errafu46d0tt5g7b7...@4ax.com, Donna L. Bridges at
>shall...@rcn.com wrote on 5/29/02 5:19 PM:
>> Well, I didn't get that at all out of Sam, that it was a judgment of
>> him on me, I mean on Blair, LOL. But, was it a private room? I don't
>> think so. I think it was a staff room in a public place where anyone
>> could have walked in at any moment, else why was Chad so concerned
>> about doing it right there, right then? Anyway, disagreeing is
>> certainly allowed, especially on a judgment call like this one, IMO.
>
>Actually, I thought Blair and Chad were in the alley in back of Capricorn
>when they were about to do it. When Chad called Blair the next day, didn't
>he say he was sorry about what they had almost done "in back of Capricorn"?
>I thought that was the reason Chad was so surprised that Blair wanted him to
>take her right there and then -- and why Sam was able to walk in on them so
>easily.
Sure could've been an alley. I honestly didn't know where they were!
But, before the writing finger moves on, I was thinking that I don't
think Sam is over Nora at all. He was completely civilized, generous,
grown-up, mature with Nora, with Matthew, etc., why I thought of Alan
Alda, but he also appears to me to have an anger or a discomfort or a
hurt just under the surface which he is controlling, about Nora.
[shrug] I know that when I stopped watching awhile back I was
regularly shaking my head, wondering why they recast Sam & what they
meant to be going for, etc. but, I simply don't see anything right now
that makes Sam a bad guy. A human with foibles, yes.
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Natasha
Susan Barnett wrote:
>Actually, I thought Blair and Chad were in the alley in back of Capricorn
>when they were about to do it. When Chad called Blair the next day, didn't
>he say he was sorry about what they had almost done "in back of
>Capricorn"?
>I thought that was the reason Chad was so surprised that Blair wanted him
to
>take her right there and then -- and why Sam was able to walk in on them so
>easily.
It wasn't Capricorn, that I'm sure of. Chad works for Max at Break Bar, not
Carpricorn. And I thought it was a store room or something out back. But I
admit I wasn't paying the closest attention when they ended up back there.
Unless I'm mixed up. Isn't Chad working at Break Bar these days?
Natasha
Suzanne Dallapè
"Natasha" <star...@enteract.com> wrote in message
> It wasn't Capricorn, that I'm sure of. >
I believe he works at both,. Either that or he made the switch to
Capricorn, because that's where the Blair scenes took place.
--S.
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"Suzanne Dallapè" <kar...@smugglersalliance.net> wrote in message
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of the show. I believe he turned down RJ's offer to work at the Capricorn,
and may have been there on a night off from Break Bar.
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Susan Barnett
bebe....@verizon.net wrote on 5/30/02 10:56 PM:
>
> "Suzanne Dallapè" <kar...@smugglersalliance.net> wrote in message
> news:OBCJ8.21$8A...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Natasha" <star...@enteract.com> wrote in message
>>> It wasn't Capricorn, that I'm sure of. >
>>> Unless I'm mixed up. Isn't Chad working at Break Bar these days?
>>
>> I believe he works at both,. Either that or he made the switch to
>> Capricorn, because that's where the Blair scenes took place.
>> --S.
>>
> I honestly wonder if he was working that night or not, as I missed that part
> of the show. I believe he turned down RJ's offer to work at the Capricorn,
> and may have been there on a night off from Break Bar.
> --
> BeBe (Marchioness Shedding Her Fears)
He wasn't working that night. He was just hanging out at Capricorn with Jess
and Seth, having a few drinks. He was about to leave because he had to get
up early the next morning for class when Blair honed in and started singing
to him. Jess and Seth watched with amusement, then left. Chad was going to
leave, too, but when he saw that Blair was too drunk to drive herself home,
he offered to take her. They went outside and that's when she pounced on
him.
Susan