OLTL: Robin Strasser Squeeze?
The Parks
true? Sure, her Dorian character ebbs in storyline and visibility, but
would TPTB actually want to get her out of there? I've only been in this
newsgroup for 6 months or so, but I find it interesting the comments
concerning the writers, etc. Who truly has the power behind the scenes and
why? Tell me more. Personally I can't imagine the soap without her.
Scarlet in SC
Gregory Rayner
Hi Scarlet,
I am quite certain this is true.
First, a little prehistory. Last year, there was a rumor that Linda Dano
was being courted by JFP (her friend) to come to OLTL from AW to be the
new Dorian. This rumor was dismissed as wild and unfounded, but frankly
I'm not so sure. I have no idea what Dano's take on the issue is, but,
for one thing, her contract on AW (if AW is still around) is up next
year at almost the same time Robin Strasser's contract is up in Feb.
2000. Exhibit 2--there have been rumors that Robin Christopher, Dano's
AW daughter, was being considered as a recast for Cassie. JFP would LOVE
the matched set to have mother and daughter back together on OLTL.
Even if all of the above is NOT true, RS's relationship with JFP is not
the best. It started last year. RS was backburnered all of the time. RS
had a meeting with ANgela Shapiro, JFP's boss, to discuss Dorian. This
could not sit well with JFP. At any rate, Robin was "kindly offered" the
opportunity to be of the show for about 8 weeks to do a play, mainly
because the idiotic writers couldn't find anything for her to do. In
Jan, she was supposed to start this "great story" but it meant losing
both Mel and Cassie. I think this was partly a punishment for RS
demanding a story.
This led to RS's hotline message where she basically blasted JFP about
the firing, said she did NOT want Mel to leave, and said it was only a
matter of time before she gets the ax too. In this week's Soap Opera
Digest, much of the message is reproduced--letting millions of people
read about the problems with JFP.
Even if JFP probably won't get rid of her, I think she is making it easy
for RS to leave in Feb. 2000. Or, she my give Robin an early out--which
is even worse.
I don't trust JFP more than I can throw her.
Greg
Scoot Rob
sure she will fire her since that is what she does best. I think it's a shame
that OLTL has turned into FOJ (Friends of Jill). OLTL is a soap for all of
Jill's best friends. So if you are an actor or an actress and you happen to be
a good friend of Jill then call her and I'm sure she will put you on OLTL.
Carolyn Adams
Gregory Rayner <gra...@gte.net> wrote in article
>I am quite certain this is true.
>
> First, a little prehistory. Last year, there was a rumor that Linda Dano
> was being courted by JFP (her friend) to come to OLTL from AW to be the
> new Dorian. This rumor was dismissed as wild and
I am going to skip most of this very Machiavellian conniving, which, by the
way, I found fascinating. What a strange midset, if this is true.
People always say that Jill courts various actors, and has favorites that
transcend whatever show she works on. The converse must also be true. She
either fails to nurture any relationship with actors who are new to her, or
gives them only a momentary chance to prove their mettle before she
discards them for her fortunate few.
So many of these seem to be AW actors. I don't know much about AW, except
that axes keep falling over there. It doesn't do too well in the ratings.
And I don't think it was especially more successful when Jill was there.
So why is it Jill is so often rumored to be recreating OLTL in AW's image?
It doesn't seem like an improvement, to me.
I was a long term OLTL viewer when Robin Strasser was hired. Anyone with
any history with this show knows that Strasser is one of the lynch pins to
OLTL. It would be self destructive to lose her.
I don't know if Robn Strasser is difficult to work with. She seems like a
very bright, articulate, and focussed person who truly cares about the
quality of the work. Those are valuable traits. Curiously, there are
rumors about the actors Jill has brought in, to the effect that THEY are
the difficult ones to work with. Not the Stephen Merkels, or Robin
Strassers.
It's interesting to speculate. I hope a lot of this is blown out of
proportion, and that all this AW stuff is an internet urban legend. I
can't believe Linda (Felicia) Dano would stand for this horse shit. I know
the fans won't.
--Carolyn Adams
Gregory Rayner
> Gregory Rayner <gra...@gte.net> wrote in article
>
>
> >I am quite certain this is true.
> >
> > First, a little prehistory. Last year, there was a rumor that Linda Dano
> > was being courted by JFP (her friend) to come to OLTL from AW to be the
> > new Dorian. This rumor was dismissed as wild and
>
> I am going to skip most of this very Machiavellian conniving, which, by the
> way, I found fascinating. What a strange midset, if this is true.
I don't know if this is as far-fetched as it seems. First, I repeat, I
don't know how Dano would react to this. I personally think she is FAR
to classy to do something like this.
Now, the fact is that JFP has had a preference for many AW actors (see
below). She considered Kevin McKlatchey (sp?) who I believe (correect me
if I'm wrong) was Kale Brown's son on AW. JFP also has pushed to take on
Bolger on a contract basis, but was rejected by the network
Then we have the rumor that WOULD NOT DIE about Dano coming to OLTL at a
time when she was having difficult negotiations at AW. Now, we have
rumors about Robin CHristopher, Dano's daughter, being considered as a
Cassie recast. Now, Christopher and Bolger were lovers on AW. Then if
Dano were added to the mix...
I know this sounds like a HUGE conspiracy theory. But, I think its just
that JFP likes certain actors (or got to like a group of actors working
on one story) and would like to bring them to OLTL.
Plus, it is not a new practice to try and reunite actors who worked
together on other shows, witness
Alex/LuJak GL to AMC
Patch/Kayla DAYS to GH
and many other DAYS actors went to GH.
> So many of these seem to be AW actors. I don't know much about AW, except
> that axes keep falling over there. It doesn't do too well in the ratings.
> And I don't think it was especially more successful when Jill was there.
> So why is it Jill is so often rumored to be recreating OLTL in AW's image?
> It doesn't seem like an improvement, to me.
I don't think anyone is saying that she has a plan to "bring AW to
OLTL". She just, for whatever reason, has hired most people from this
show, possibly because she feels the most animosity to this show and
wants it to suffer. It's especially a slapin the face if characters
appear on a higher-rated show which is opposite AW in many markets.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure she genuinely likes the people she hires.
Let us not forget--Derwin and Satra are from GL, and JFP would probably
try to fire Viki herself if she could get A. Martinez (SB)--who
accompanied her to the last Soap Opera Awards (and who she visibly
drewls over)
We should distinguish between the SHOW and the CAST. In my (obviously
biased opinion) AW and OLTL -HAD- the best casts on daytime--from young
to old. The AW cast deserves special kudos. Some of them have had wage
cuts, haave been through many cut-backs and lay-offs, the show's total
budget is the smallest fraction of what, say, DAYS and Y&R get. Despite
all of this crap, they perservere and give their all. Now, the SHOW has
sucked in the past, with poor writing and poor management, which of
course severely affects the ratings. My take--good cast, sucky total
quality (due to the above-entioned reasons). So, I can see JFP wanting
to get some of these hard-working, talented actors. But JFP is
completely out of hand, using a friend whether he or she is necessary or
not.
A case in point-- Sykes. Look, he admitted he helped Barbara and made
the anonymous calls, but he still comitted some serious crimes, and used
his position to push for the arrest of Dorian and R.J. He should
probably be arrested himself, or, at least be sent from Llanview. Why
does he stay after all of this? JFP.
> I was a long term OLTL viewer when Robin Strasser was hired. Anyone with
> any history with this show knows that Strasser is one of the lynch pins to
> OLTL. It would be self destructive to lose her.
>
> I don't know if Robn Strasser is difficult to work with. She seems like a
> very bright, articulate, and focussed person who truly cares about the
> quality of the work. Those are valuable traits. Curiously, there are
> rumors about the actors Jill has brought in, to the effect that THEY are
> the difficult ones to work with. Not the Stephen Merkels, or Robin
> Strassers.
I've never heard of any of the actors not loving RS. But even if she is
difficult, as long as she doesn't make outrageous claims, they should
live with it considering she is pivotal to the show. I think her worst
crime was demanding that OLTL give her a story.
> It's interesting to speculate. I hope a lot of this is blown out of
> proportion, and that all this AW stuff is an internet urban legend. I
> can't believe Linda (Felicia) Dano would stand for this horse shit. I know
> the fans won't.
>
I don't know what's so out-landish, though. Look at her track record:
Sam, who dominates the show
Satra, who was the focus of the show for most of the fall, all of
December
Bolger, who gets more airtime than any other recurring player in history
Derwin, who will be central for a long time
Tim Gibbs--a major focus for a long time.
Why wouldn't she try to bring Dano, Christopher et al to the show if she
likes them. It's just like her, actually.
Greg
DonnaB
netizen gra...@gte.net (Gregory Rayner) posted the
following in Msg# <7bq3ob$1po$1...@news-1.news.gte.net> :
| Now, the fact is that JFP has had a preference for many AW actors (see
| below). She considered Kevin McKlatchey (sp?) who I believe (correect me
| if I'm wrong) was Kale Brown's son on AW.
Kevin McClatchey played Nick Hudson #2 on AW. I thought that
JFP brought him on & had Justin Chambers fired since JFP had
worked with KevinM on GL. He was horribly miscast trying to
play Nick, too old, too edgy, ewww.
| JFP also has pushed to take on
| Bolger on a contract basis, but was rejected by the network
John Bolger also has GL & AW in common.
East Coast soaps tend to *share* actors over a long period
of time. And, as inbred as things are you do get people on
ATWT furious about the people they're getting from OLTL &
from AMC, etc., etc., etc.
| Then we have the rumor that WOULD NOT DIE about Dano coming to OLTL at a
| time when she was having difficult negotiations at AW.
Although for some reason AW negotiated & announced Dano's
signing far early of her contract date. All of that rumor
folderol looked like a whole lot of hooey when Dano's
announcement came down the pike far in advance of her end of
the year contract date.
| Now, we have
| rumors about Robin CHristopher, Dano's daughter, being considered as a
| Cassie recast. Now, Christopher and Bolger were lovers on AW. Then if
| Dano were added to the mix...
Well, yeah, but if they really wanted to get Dano's
daughters, why no go for Alla Korot, who played Jenna her
adopted daughter or Alicia Coppolla Lorna #1, Felicia's long
lost daughter, etc. Yeah, RC was Lorna #2 but she came over
from AMC, ya know, and was totally different & all that so
was a hard recast for anyone to accept. But, yes, she &
Bolger were incredible together before they left. However,
if anyone were to think of Felicia & her daughter, it would
be unlikely that they'd think of RC.
| But, I think its just
| that JFP likes certain actors (or got to like a group of actors working
| on one story) and would like to bring them to OLTL.
Oh, she definitely does. And, has very very distinct likes &
dislikes, etc. She's not alone in that.
| I've never heard of any of the actors not loving RS. But even if she is
| difficult, as long as she doesn't make outrageous claims, they should
| live with it considering she is pivotal to the show. I think her worst
| crime was demanding that OLTL give her a story.
Well, obviously we don't know what has happened behind the
scenes, but JFP has her own ego to also get into the act, so
to speak. If she & RS are & have squared off, well, it ain't
gonna be pretty unless they can find a way to make up.
| Why wouldn't she try to bring Dano, Christopher et al to the show if she
| likes them. It's just like her, actually.
If I were to fathom a guess I'd think that she'd look at
what is or isn't happening & decide to try someone else out
as Dorian's daughter & from there think of Robin
Christopher.
--
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RIP Dusty Springfield "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me"
"If those 4 stooges think they're fitting *me* for a pair of
cement shoes, they've got another think coming. Besides,
they're nothing compared to a Quartermain Board Meeting." -
TracyQ, 3/18/97, CITY
DonnaB
netizen "Carolyn Adams" <ca...@enter.net> posted the
following in Msg#
<01be6751$6a8eade0$5e9b...@carri-enter.net> :
| I am going to skip most of this very Machiavellian conniving, which, by the
| way, I found fascinating. What a strange midset, if this is true.
It's on pretty rocky ground, but those of us who are also AW
fans have said so & said so & said so to the point that I'm
not sure there's much interest in the difference between
truth & fiction.
| People always say that Jill courts various actors, and has favorites that
| transcend whatever show she works on. The converse must also be true. She
| either fails to nurture any relationship with actors who are new to her, or
| gives them only a momentary chance to prove their mettle before she
| discards them for her fortunate few.
However, that very much seems not to be the case. She
gathers new actors to her bosom with every show she does.
Just as much as she leaves a wake of fans who hate her &
love her, she has this growing repertory of actor fans who
are both friends & who like to work with her, like the reel
worthy stories they get, etc., etc. And, the good side of
her approach is what's good about a rep company, or why
Bochco loves to work with a set of people, why DEK uses some
people over & over, but, those groups aren't closed sets of
people. They add actors to their group all the time.
| So many of these seem to be AW actors.
I think that the last time I counted there were 3 AW actors.
| And I don't think it was especially more successful when Jill was there.
She is said to have gotten the desired demographic numbers
up but not to have been able to keep them up. You don't want
me to get started on the damage that she did.
| So why is it Jill is so often rumored to be recreating OLTL in AW's image?
| It doesn't seem like an improvement, to me.
The only thing I can find in common between them is that
they're both East Coast soaps which are out now, that they
both are better than their ratings show & that they're on
opposite each other in many places. They both have docks.
LOL. AW had Robin Strasser first & OLTL had Stephen
Schnetzer & Linda Dano first.
| I don't know if Robn Strasser is difficult to work with. She seems like a
| very bright, articulate, and focussed person who truly cares about the
| quality of the work. Those are valuable traits. Curiously, there are
| rumors about the actors Jill has brought in, to the effect that THEY are
| the difficult ones to work with. Not the Stephen Merkels, or Robin
| Strassers.
|
| It's interesting to speculate. I hope a lot of this is blown out of
| proportion, and that all this AW stuff is an internet urban legend. I
| can't believe Linda (Felicia) Dano would stand for this horse shit.
It's not like Linda at all. Of course, it's not at all like
Kale Brown either & some of the stuff that's been said is
best left unrepeated.
Jill Farren Phelps, production, Music, etc. then, EP at
Santa Barbara, EP at Guiding Light, EP at Another World, EP
at One Life to Live.
--
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RIP Dusty Springfield "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me"
"Alex, you can't just walk away. We've come so far, so many
subways ..." - TracyQ, 3/21/97, CITY
altoid
ESPECIALLY if they bring back Andrea Evans as Tina, who seems to be ready to
come back!
Tim Gibbs, on the other hand, is TOO OLD to be playing Kevin and portrays
Kevin as too big a jerk.
Gregory Rayner wrote in message <7bq3ob$1po$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>...
altoid
DonnaB wrote in message <36ebe232...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:37:45 -0800 the rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc
>netizen gra...@gte.net (Gregory Rayner) posted the
>following in Msg# <7bq3ob$1po$1...@news-1.news.gte.net> :
>
>| Now, the fact is that JFP has had a preference for many AW actors (see
>| below). She considered Kevin McKlatchey (sp?) who I believe (correect me
>| if I'm wrong) was Kale Brown's son on AW.
>
>Kevin McClatchey played Nick Hudson #2 on AW. I thought that
>JFP brought him on & had Justin Chambers fired since JFP had
>worked with KevinM on GL. He was horribly miscast trying to
>play Nick, too old, too edgy, ewww.
>
>| JFP also has pushed to take on
>| Bolger on a contract basis, but was rejected by the network
>
>John Bolger also has GL & AW in common.
>
>East Coast soaps tend to *share* actors over a long period
>of time. And, as inbred as things are you do get people on
>ATWT furious about the people they're getting from OLTL &
>from AMC, etc., etc., etc.
>
>| Then we have the rumor that WOULD NOT DIE about Dano coming to OLTL at a
>| time when she was having difficult negotiations at AW.
>
>Although for some reason AW negotiated & announced Dano's
>signing far early of her contract date. All of that rumor
>folderol looked like a whole lot of hooey when Dano's
>announcement came down the pike far in advance of her end of
>the year contract date.
>
>| Now, we have
>| rumors about Robin CHristopher, Dano's daughter, being considered as a
>| Cassie recast. Now, Christopher and Bolger were lovers on AW. Then if
>| Dano were added to the mix...
>
>Well, yeah, but if they really wanted to get Dano's
>daughters, why no go for Alla Korot, who played Jenna her
>adopted daughter or Alicia Coppolla Lorna #1, Felicia's long
>lost daughter, etc. Yeah, RC was Lorna #2 but she came over
>from AMC, ya know, and was totally different & all that so
>was a hard recast for anyone to accept. But, yes, she &
>Bolger were incredible together before they left. However,
>if anyone were to think of Felicia & her daughter, it would
>be unlikely that they'd think of RC.
>
>| But, I think its just
>| that JFP likes certain actors (or got to like a group of actors working
>| on one story) and would like to bring them to OLTL.
>
>Oh, she definitely does. And, has very very distinct likes &
>dislikes, etc. She's not alone in that.
>
>| I've never heard of any of the actors not loving RS. But even if she is
>| difficult, as long as she doesn't make outrageous claims, they should
>| live with it considering she is pivotal to the show. I think her worst
>| crime was demanding that OLTL give her a story.
>
>Well, obviously we don't know what has happened behind the
>scenes, but JFP has her own ego to also get into the act, so
>to speak. If she & RS are & have squared off, well, it ain't
>gonna be pretty unless they can find a way to make up.
>
>| Why wouldn't she try to bring Dano, Christopher et al to the show if she
>| likes them. It's just like her, actually.
>
>If I were to fathom a guess I'd think that she'd look at
>what is or isn't happening & decide to try someone else out
>as Dorian's daughter & from there think of Robin
>Christopher.
>
>--
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>RIP Dusty Springfield "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me"
>
Patt B.
>
> Is Robin Christopher the one who used to be Sky Chandler on AMC ???
Yup, Robin was Skye #2, the one who married Tom Cudahy and faked
paralysis to keep him. (Skye #1 was a little British singer; she's the
one who boinked Tad.) patt.
--
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FOC David Renaldi: Keeper of His Expressive Eyes
FRC Adrian: net.daddy of my net.daughter
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"altoid" <alt...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Is Robin Christopher the one who used to be Sky Chandler on AMC ???
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>scenes, but JFP has her own ego to also get into the act, so
>to speak. If she & RS are & have squared off, well, it ain't
>gonna be pretty unless they can find a way to make up.
>
>
From what RS said and the way she said it on the Hotline and looking at
Dorian's psycho current storyline (cutting up that picture of Viki & Mel and
consulting the medium) I think that it is safe to say that she is on JFP's
_____list
Melissa
Meliss9900
>ESPECIALLY if they bring back Andrea Evans as Tina, who seems to be ready to
>come back!
>
or commute and Andrea Evans is on B&B.
>Tim Gibbs, on the other hand, is TOO OLD to be playing Kevin and portrays
>Kevin as too big a jerk.
>
And Tim Gibbs is only 32 (or will be in a matter of days) Altho I agree about
the jerk part.
Carolyn L. Adams
Meliss9900 <melis...@aol.com> wrote in article <fa1.aol.com>...
> >Personally, I think that A. Martinez would be EXCELLENT as Cord Roberts,
> >ESPECIALLY if they bring back Andrea Evans as Tina, who seems to be
ready to
> >come back!
> >
> From what I have read A. Martinez neither wants to relocate to the East
Coast
> or commute and Andrea Evans is on B&B.
Good. I adore A Martinez. I thought he was fabulous on SB. I don't want
him as Cord. I hate to say it, but he is too old for Cord. He is also a
very different type. The best Cord is John Loprieno, who has shown he can
play the part anyway he is directed to play it. However, Cord is and
always should be based on how the character was created and played in the
first 5 years, not how Malone changed him.
A Martinez is a fine actor and I'd love to see him in daytime again.
However, he should not be forced to play a character nearly 10 years
younger than he is. Like Tim Gibbs.
Gregory Rayner
> On 5 Mar 1999 16:44:10 +0500 the rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc
> netizen "Carolyn Adams" <ca...@enter.net> posted the
> following in Msg#
> <01be6751$6a8eade0$5e9b...@carri-enter.net> :
>
> | I am going to skip most of this very Machiavellian conniving, which, by the
> | way, I found fascinating. What a strange midset, if this is true.
>
> It's on pretty rocky ground, but those of us who are also AW
> fans have said so & said so & said so to the point that I'm
> not sure there's much interest in the difference between
> truth & fiction.
Can someone please tell me what's so far-fetched here? Again, A) I'm not
saying this is a wide-scale mission to get AW to OLTL, it just so
happens that she likes numerous actors from AW. B) I'm not saying that
Dano would go for it.
Now, let's look at the facts:
Strasser has basically said she's out of there next Feb. (prob. unless
JFP leaves or the two magically become soul sisters).
OLTL without Dorian is a dangerous move, even for Il Duce. The role
would likely be recast. It's not like casting Will Rappaport. A recast
would require an experienced actress, who could be a suitable opponent
for Viki. preferably with somewhat of a name.
Now, Dano IS JFP's friend and has experience on OLTL. Why wouldn't JFP
try to contact Dano and offer her the role? She thought Gibbs would be a
better Kevin than Stapleton, why not Dano as Dorian?
Doesn't the timing strike you as interesting? If this were true, there
had to be a big enough window of time to get a commitment from Dano, NOT
re-sign with Strasser by the end of her negotiations period, and bring
on Dano when her contract was up--when APril? May? So they'd have an
eight week hiatus wihtout Dorian (which they did in the fall, anyway)
until Dano came on. Again, this is from JFP's ASSUMED point of view
only, not Dano's.
You also suggested that Dano's early re-signing indicated that this
whole theory is a bunch of hooey. I see the situation a bit differently.
As I recall, this was a time in which rumors of cancellation of AW
(maybe by summer) were pretty strong, at AW cast morale was low, just
after Savitz was axed. I think the TPTB at AW were eager to show that,
"WE are committed to Dano and she is committed to us". I think it's
quite common practice to announce that a major player is staying way in
advance--because the negotiation process starts earlier too. There's a
big difference even between, "Clint is not staying" and "Viki is not
staying". They leave lots of time to work out in contract kinks, or,
conversely, to prepare for the shockwaves if the major player should
decide to leave.
If this is all nonsense, Donna, how do you envision the future? RS
leaves in Feb (and the chances are pretty good), do you think JFP will
A) Not replce Dorian?
B) Start a new search for an unknown Dorian?
C) Try to bring back Princi, Mallis etc. as Dorian?
I still say it's a good bet JFP would ask one of her friends. And, if
this is so, if she wanted Dano, why wait until she was in a new, 2 (or
more) year contract?
Again, tell me what is so out-landish here.
Greg
Meliss9900
>
>
Considering all of the outlandish things that are happening onscreen, I don't
think it is the least bit difficult to assume that some equally outlandish
things are happening backstage.
In fact ever since I read that TVGen Blind item late last year (about a veteran
actress' upcoming storyline forcing her off her show)
I was convinced that RS was being forced out to make way for someone new. Now
whether it is JFP's intention to offer the role to Dano or some other FOJ, I
don't know.
SIPort27
Dorian's psycho current storyline (cutting up that picture of Viki & Mel and
consulting the medium) I think that it is safe to say that she is on JFP's
_____list>>>
I can't even watch OLTL anymore. It's too painful. It's been a long time since
I've seen one person be able to completely ruin a show the way that Phelps has
been doing with OLTL. Her treatment of Strasser, Slezak, et al......in favor of
her sycophants has resulted in a OLTL that I can no longer watch. To see a
veteran like Strasser being treated like complete garbage while Phelps runs her
off the show ....is disgusting.
I had to LMAO when I read in this week's issue of SODigest that Ben was a G.D.
Rappaport. It was either laugh, or cry to see cronyism at its worst.
SIP
SIPort27
wronged Bridget &Jerome Dobson on Santa Barbara.
SIP
Lindy
Robin Strasser has been given just sucks! I think she plays her part very
well but her current storyline is just ridiculous, especially her blaming
Vicky for Mel's death. Not to mention Vicky's storyline, Bo and Nora's
storyline, Jessica's storyline, I'm sorry but the whole drunken night with
Will was so totally UN-Jessica-like, I mean what the hell is she doing to
our soap? I don't even know these characters anymore and seem to have a
permanent scowl on my face everytime I watch it. If Robin Strasser is
replaced by Linda Dano then I'm outta here. Nothing personal against Linda
but that would just clinch it for me. Leave the AW actors where they are
-- I'm a OLTL fan, not an AW fan.
Shoshanna <no-...@fightingback.com> wrote in article
<36e29e6a...@news.harborside.com>...
>
> Having recently returned to watching OLTL after giving up on it four
> years ago, the difference between Dorian-then and Dorian-now are
> painful evident. Perhaps it's the writing, and perhaps Strasser has
> become bored and lost interest-- or perhaps it's a combination of the
> two-- but something serious needs to be done, and a recast might be
> just the place to start.
>
> Shoshanna
>
>
>
DonnaB
melis...@aol.com (Meliss9900) posted the following in Msg#
<19990306115024...@ng-fa1.aol.com> :
| >Well, obviously we don't know what has happened behind the
| >scenes, but JFP has her own ego to also get into the act, so
| >to speak. If she & RS are & have squared off, well, it ain't
| >gonna be pretty unless they can find a way to make up.
|
| From what RS said and the way she said it on the Hotline and looking at
| Dorian's psycho current storyline (cutting up that picture of Viki & Mel and
| consulting the medium) I think that it is safe to say that she is on JFP's
| _____list
And, that in summary is my fear, not an elaborate
conspiracy, just plain FOJ & ego of JFP clashing with RS,
and how they can now get out of it. One way to get out of it
is for tptp to fire Jill. Everyone else has fired her. I
think there's a handbook on how to do it. <G> Otherwise, I
would constantly fear that she'd be trying to make RS mad
enough to get her to quit. Sounds like an absolutely divine
work situation, doesn't it?
--
DonnaB RATSFuzz, CCWF, MPW, LGAW, GRITS, SWATCHr & ARIAA <*>
www.delphi.com/soapopera 8^> icq308592
RIP Dusty Springfield "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me"
"Where are you from? 90210? I hear there are no people of
color on that planet, either." - Jacob, first meeting with
TracyQ in The CITY Bar 10/15/96
Carolyn L. Adams
Dobsons, who created and wrote SB, were locked out by New World. They
successfully sued New World to get their ownership rights clarified and
their right to write (!) back. I believe JFP was an associate producer at
the time, so this was never her call, nor was she a litigant in the action.
She became the EP during the time the Dobsons were gone, and consequently
couldn't/wouldn't use certain Dobson characters, like most of the
Lockridges. Again, not JFP's call to rid the canvas of many Dobson
characters, but dictated by the legal action. Am I misinformed?
--Carolyn
SIPort27 <sipo...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990306181006...@ng116.aol.com>...
Mndredr
It's difficult to predict exactly how Dano would play Dorian, but
there can't be much doubt that the character would be very different
than she is now. And it may be that I'm the only one who thinks that
"different" would be an improvement. :)
Shoshanna >>
I've had enough of the AW invasion. And enough of the veteran actors of OLTL
being pushed to the backburner or off the show entirely. RS is Dorian. If JFP
wants Dano let her find another role for her. OLTL is almost unrecognizable
now, and if JFP has her way it will be the FOJ Hour - wait a minute - it
already is.
Glenda
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> I had to LMAO when I read in this week's issue of SODigest that Ben was a
>G.D.
>Rappaport. It was either laugh, or cry to see cronyism at its worst.
>
>
be a G.D. Buchanan. Renee gave a baby up for adoption (Ben was adopted) and
Ben's age fits in with the time period when Renee and Asa were together before
Llanview.
Melissa
LOVEINMAY
>replaced by Linda Dano then I'm outta here.
IMO, RS owns this role. I've been a viewer for more than 20 years. Strasser
and Slezak are the backbone of this show. PERIOD. Strasser leaves. I leave too.
Princi was fine in the role as Dorian and Dano is a great actress but RS and
Slezak rock. This show is weak enough without jfp tampering with its strength.
Cheryl
DonnaB
netizen "Carolyn L. Adams" <ca...@enter.net> posted the
following in Msg# <01be6834$7eab5ba0$969c10cf@default> :
| Please explain that one to me, SIP. It is my understanding that the
| Dobsons, who created and wrote SB, were locked out by New World. They
| successfully sued New World to get their ownership rights clarified and
| their right to write (!) back. I believe JFP was an associate producer at
| the time, so this was never her call, nor was she a litigant in the action.
| She became the EP during the time the Dobsons were gone, and consequently
| couldn't/wouldn't use certain Dobson characters, like most of the
| Lockridges. Again, not JFP's call to rid the canvas of many Dobson
| characters, but dictated by the legal action. Am I misinformed?
Not the first person I've heard of to be holding things
against JFP since SB. No way do I think all of what was &
wasn't going on between the Dobsons & others can be sorted
out, for sure, from outside. I can only hope that someday it
will be prominent in people's memoirs.
--
DonnaB RATSFuzz, CCWF, MPW, LGAW, GRITS, SWATCHr & ARIAA <*>
www.delphi.com/soapopera 8^> icq308592
RIP Dusty Springfield "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me"
"And, then, Mr. Stefano DiMera had me artificially
incinerated." - Susan to Edmund DOOL 4/98
DonnaB
netizen no-...@fightingback.com (Shoshanna ) posted the
following in Msg# <36e2dbc4...@news.harborside.com> :
| I agree with you about not being a fan of AW, but I've seen enough of
| Linda Dano to think that she would bring a new dimension to Dorian-- I
| imagine that her portrayal would have greater depth, subtlety, and
| intelligence.
I love Linda Dano but I can not imagine anyone bringing her
in as a recast for Dorian. I hope that Dano continues as
Felicia on AW for many, many successful years, but barring
that, she needs a totally new character written for her,
somewhere. I hate to even discuss this since I know it would
creep Dano out for people to keep talking about her taking
Robin Strasser's job! It's just not a fit, folks.
Anyway, I know that most of Llanview of late seems
unappreciated by long term fans here on RATSa, although fans
elsewhere, or maybe newer fans, seem to be enjoying the heck
out of a number of things, all that said, in spite of
agreeing that Dorian's current "storyline" is shallow,
repetitive, over the top, etc. that I still got a great kick
out of watching Strasser & Sofie at the CrossXRoads the
other day. LOL, dish it up, if this is what you're given, at
least you can tromp all over it & then some.
--
DonnaB RATSFuzz, CCWF, MPW, LGAW, GRITS, SWATCHr & ARIAA <*>
www.delphi.com/soapopera 8^> icq308592
RIP Dusty Springfield "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me"
"Death doesn't seem nearly the handicap I thought it was.
Clearly there *is* an afterlife & it's right here in Salem.
Move to Salem, where death isn't a permanent condition...
merely a temporary inconvenience." - Eve, AltDAYS #144
kaci
<36e29e6a...@news.harborside.com>...
>On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:10:41 -0800, gra...@gte.net (Gregory
Rayner)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Strasser has basically said she's out of there next Feb.
(prob. unless
>>JFP leaves or the two magically become soul sisters).
>>
>>OLTL without Dorian is a dangerous move, even for Il Duce.
The role
>>would likely be recast. It's not like casting Will
Rappaport. A recast
>>would require an experienced actress, who could be a
suitable opponent
>>for Viki. preferably with somewhat of a name.
>
>
nature of
>Strasser's recent performances, it might actually be a good
idea.
>Remember that Dorian has been recast before-- on another
occasion when
>Strasser left-- and the actress who adoped the role (Elaine
Princi?)
>was excellent in the role and was very quickly accepted.
>
I agree, Princi played Dorian very well, though the
quintessential Dorian for me has always been Nancy
Pinkerton. It took me a while to get used to Strasser's
Dorian, at first she seemed flighty and superficial by
comparison but then the writing got better and eventually I
accepted her because, well, she wasn't going anywhere.
But in fairness to RS, she has said she doesn't like what
she is being given to do, *she* is unsatisfied with the
writing, and it is so painfully obvious why. I mean, cutting
up photographs, sneaking into Viki's office and trolling for
dirt on her-- it's all so beneath Dorian, who always plotted
and schemed with a lot more intelligence. This classless,
shrieking shrew is just plain embarrassing.
So I'm inclined to believe RS-- that the way Dorian is being
written is JFP's design to get her off the show. Whatever
else may be going on behind the scenes, this much we've
*seen*, and RS corroborated on her hotline, so I believe it
to be true. If Dorian is recast, no matter how capable the
actress, I would bet she'd have a hard time being accepted
because of the circumstances under which she'll be brought
on.
kaci
Fryman-Maddern
Meliss9900 wrote in message <19990307012652...@ng41.aol.com>...
I guessed that one (and that it was Asa's) when it was scooped that Renee
told Jessie she gave a baby up for adoption. Or do I have to know that that
baby was Ben?
Monica
Meliss9900
>I guessed that one (and that it was Asa's) when it was scooped that Renee
>told Jessie she gave a baby up for adoption. Or do I have to know that that
>baby was Ben?
>Monica
>
>
>
A Frango.
Unfortunately Frangos are only a part of the AMC side of RATSA. OLTL, GH and
PC don't have them.
Melissa
Gregory Rayner
> If it turns out that that adopted baby is coming back, do I win a whatever?
> I guessed that one (and that it was Asa's) when it was scooped that Renee
> told Jessie she gave a baby up for adoption. Or do I have to know that that
> baby was Ben?
> Monica
Monica, you get a special prize--lunch with our beloved EP JFP ; )
mha...@ecn.ab.ca
: Having recently returned to watching OLTL after giving up on it four
: years ago, the difference between Dorian-then and Dorian-now are
: painful evident. Perhaps it's the writing, and perhaps Strasser has
: become bored and lost interest-- or perhaps it's a combination of the
: just the place to start.
Wow, I think it was 4 or so years ago that the Trial of Dorian was on
wasn't it? That was a great story. That was the story that got me into
watching OLTL every day and very involved. Dorian and Nora were fabulous
in it. No way can I agree that Dorian needs to be recast to be a good
character.
For myself, I find OLTL to be pretty much unwatchable these days. I last
took a look at the karaoke ep because I heard it was good, but otherwise
I don't much bother any more. No way this show compares to what it used
to be 4 yrs ago IMO.
--
Marg
shos...@my-dejanews.com
> Wow, I think it was 4 or so years ago that the Trial of Dorian was on
> wasn't it? That was a great story. That was the story that got me into
> watching OLTL every day and very involved. Dorian and Nora were fabulous
> in it. No way can I agree that Dorian needs to be recast to be a good
> character.
> For myself, I find OLTL to be pretty much unwatchable these days. I last
> took a look at the karaoke ep because I heard it was good, but otherwise
> I don't much bother any more. No way this show compares to what it used
> to be 4 yrs ago IMO.
>
I never saw Dorian's trial-- nor did I know that she was even tried!-- so
perhaps my disinterest in OLTL began earlier than I had thought. I really
don't remember much that happened after Todd & Company were sent to prison,
and so it may well be that I missed some excellent storylines. Today,
however, I'm finding it very difficult to rekindle my interest-- the only
hopeful note on the horizion is Ben!
Shoshanna
mha...@ecn.ab.ca
: I never saw Dorian's trial-- nor did I know that she was even tried!-- so
: perhaps my disinterest in OLTL began earlier than I had thought. I really
Oh yes, she was even on death row! She was being tried for the murder of
Victor Lord. That story went on all summer, and it was great. It ended
by bringing on David Vickers, which ultimately led up to the "Lord Heir"
thing. Ah the good old days <g>
: don't remember much that happened after Todd & Company were sent to prison,
: and so it may well be that I missed some excellent storylines. Today,
: however, I'm finding it very difficult to rekindle my interest-- the only
: hopeful note on the horizion is Ben!
One person's excellence could be another person's @#$% I guess.<g>
But for myself, I did like the show back then.
Marg
William Brainard
When Dorian was a practicing physician back in the early 1970s she lost
her license when a hospital patient died and Dr. Larry Wolek was blamed.
This was when Nancy Pinkerton's Dorian Cramer was having an affair with
Tommy Lee Jones Mark Toland MD. Ah, the real good old days.
--
William Brainard
p020...@pb.seflin.org
Carolyn L. Adams
practice, hooked a big fish with Victor Lord, and went into the rich wife
business. I don't remember that she ever lost her license.
---Carolyn
William Brainard <p020...@pb.seflin.org> wrote in article
<7cdr9f$e...@nntp.seflin.org>...
William Brainard
is fiction and what is fact. Thanks for setting me straight. The
way Dorian has acted over the years I have to assume she kept her
medical license.
Carolyn L. Adams (ca...@enter.net) wrote:
: No, Bill, she only lost her hospital privileges. Dorian started her own
: ---Carolyn
--
William Brainard
p020...@pb.seflin.org
mha...@ecn.ab.ca
: This was when Nancy Pinkerton's Dorian Cramer was having an affair with
: Tommy Lee Jones Mark Toland MD. Ah, the real good old days.
LOL - boy I would have liked to have seen that!
--
Marg
gla...@my-dejanews.com
mha...@ecn.ab.ca () wrote:
> shos...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> : I never saw Dorian's trial-- nor did I know that she was even tried!-- so
> : perhaps my disinterest in OLTL began earlier than I had thought. I really
>
> Oh yes, she was even on death row! She was being tried for the murder of
> Victor Lord. That story went on all summer, and it was great. It ended
> by bringing on David Vickers, which ultimately led up to the "Lord Heir"
> thing. Ah the good old days <g>
> But for myself, I did like the show back then.
>
> Marg
>
material has not been the best or to every one's liking. I can think of the
following just my head (and I DID like some of these stories)
Dorian on death row
Dorian trapped at Llanfair during Viki's DID
Some very amusing scenes with David Vickers
Some great scenes with Zas
Many great scenes in the Canton story, despite problems in the story itself
Dorian and Mel's early relationship
etc.
RS, like ES, is almost writer-proof. Unles the material is god-awful (as it is
now) and she is really disgusted (as she is now) I think she has consistently
done some really good acting.
Greg