OLTL: Ex-Seth/SUPERMAN RETURNS
whodunit
funny to see Brandon Routh, who really wasn't all that great on OLTL,
on the big screen.
Trailer and photos here:
http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/photos.html
Leigh
At least the concept has been hovering in the background nearly since
the comic began (never mind the Christopher Reeve movies which pretty much
stated it baldly).
I'm not nearly as put off by that suggested connection as I am that
they're not
using Smallville as a jumping off point. Mind you I'm not upset that
they're not
using Welling (mildly disappointed, maybe, but not upset), but since the
show
is there and very little prior to this season would put a crimp in any
direction
the movie wanted to go in, I don't see why they didn't use it as a
background
concept.
What I'm referring to is the scenes in the trailer of Clark doing
mega-leaps through
cornfields and such as a younger teen. I would much have preferred if
they had just
left it out and started with Clark/Kal-El as an adult since that's when
most of the movie
appears to be set.
But that's just me.
--Leigh
whodunit
> whodunit wrote:
>
>> Not quite sure about the "Superman as Jesus" connection, but...
>> funny to see Brandon Routh, who really wasn't all that great on OLTL,
>> on the big screen.
>>
>> Trailer and photos here:
>> http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/photos.html
>
>
>
>
> At least the concept has been hovering in the background nearly since
> the comic began (never mind the Christopher Reeve movies which pretty much
> stated it baldly).
See, I don't remember a statement sounding like "I'm sending my only
begotten son to show them the light to lead them to the path of
righteousness" in the Chris Reeve movies. :-) Not so much put off by
the statement, just really wasn't expecting to hear it. :-)
I've been a Superman fan since the 60s when I was a kid, and I know
there is religious connotations at times, but when I saw the trailer, it
kind of made me sit up and go, "Hmmmm!" :-)
> I'm not nearly as put off by that suggested
> connection as I am that they're not
> using Smallville as a jumping off point. Mind you I'm not upset that
> they're not
> using Welling (mildly disappointed, maybe, but not upset), but since the
> show
> is there and very little prior to this season would put a crimp in any
> direction
> the movie wanted to go in, I don't see why they didn't use it as a
> background
> concept.
> What I'm referring to is the scenes in the trailer of Clark doing
> mega-leaps through
> cornfields and such as a younger teen. I would much have preferred if
> they had just
> left it out and started with Clark/Kal-El as an adult since that's when
> most of the movie
> appears to be set.
I don't watch Smallville, so I don't really know much about the show--
is this movie supposed to be from the same people? Is it a continuation
of the series? Who is Welling?
SFJason
>is this movie supposed to be from the same people? Is it a continuation
>of the series? Who is Welling?
Tom Welling is the star of Smallvile. He plays a "teenage" Clark Kent.
Smallville is actually a pretty good show.
SFJason
whodunit
I guess.
Thanks!
SFJason
not that religious so it doesn't particularly bother me. My biggest
criticism of Superman was that he was too perfect. He was always so
good and true and perfect. Batman was always more intriguing because
he straddled the line of being a hero but was very flawed. Guess I
always liked the bad boy ;-)
SFJason
SFJason
> I guess.
That's not true. That's why I put "teenage" in quotes. The character
is this year is supposed to be in his first year in college (hence
about 17 or 18) but the actor looks like he is probably late 20's early
30's in real life. When the show started I always chuckled a little
because he was supposed to be high school frieshmen (15 or so) but the
actor had to be mid 20's (and definitely looked it). Tom Welling is
handsome (but not really my cup of tea...now the actor playing Lex
Luthor...mmmm)
SFJason
whodunit
Smallville is pretty popular, I didn't realize the actor looked that
much older! Superman sorta SORASED. Try saying that 3 times fast. :-)
Leigh
> Leigh wrote:
>
>> whodunit wrote:
>>
>>> Not quite sure about the "Superman as Jesus" connection, but...
>>> funny to see Brandon Routh, who really wasn't all that great on OLTL,
>>> on the big screen.
>>>
>>> Trailer and photos here:
>>> http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/photos.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At least the concept has been hovering in the background nearly since
>> the comic began (never mind the Christopher Reeve movies which pretty
>> much
>> stated it baldly).
>
>
> See, I don't remember a statement sounding like "I'm sending my only
> begotten son to show them the light to lead them to the path of
> righteousness" in the Chris Reeve movies. :-) Not so much put off by
> the statement, just really wasn't expecting to hear it. :-)
I guess my definition of 'pretty much stated it baldly' differs from the
norm.
I mean, yes, there was the whole 'Lara get into the pod/my life is here,
our son will have a better chance of survival alon' business, but
ultimately what I got out of the whole 'prologue' of the first movie was
that they weren't just sending Kal-El out in a random direction but had
specifically chosen Earth, and later through the rest of the series of
movies it becomes obvious that Jor-El had some sort of plan... (and not
the 'recreate Krypton' one suggested by Brainiac in this latest few eps
of Smallville)
Of course maybe my recollection is skewed because I've also read
'Superman: Last Son Of Krypton' (which I highly recommend), in which
a probe shows up to Einstein (it was homing in on the smartest person on
the planet) and he's the one who picked the Kents and got them
out to the coordinates where the pod was landing (he, with his trademark
hair hidden under a knit cap, lured them out there by offering to sell
them a tractor....*laugh*). Later Clark becomes Superman because he has
a choice: he can lead by example or take over (pretty much the one he's
working up to on Smallville), but a time of choice is at hand for this
planet either way and he wants to nudge us past the nuclear anihilation
phase....
And that doesn't even begin to touch on the whole prophesy quatrains
that lead into the rest of the book....
(and S:LSOK is the first time that I am aware of where it is stated that
Clark and Lex were friends in HS....)
>
>
> I've been a Superman fan since the 60s when I was a kid, and I know
> there is religious connotations at times, but when I saw the trailer, it
> kind of made me sit up and go, "Hmmmm!" :-)
Well, okay. You've got this guy. He's got superpowers (yes, it's
'cause he's an alien...so?).
His parents send him off to this planet and then 'Daddy' re-contacts him
because he wants
his son to have every advantage (cue 'Fortress of Solitude'). Junior,
being stronger, faster, etc,
could go either way (megalomaniac dictator or, well, 'savior of
mankind'), but whatever he chooses
he's stuck here (well, okay, we all know Supes can fly and can go into
space etc, so he can *leave*,
but the point is he doesn't want to because he grew up here and he
thinks people are basically good).
So, since he's chosen the 'savior' route, what other iconic figure
(religious or otherwise) are you going
to compare him to?
If you add the overlay (as they have in Smallville) that Daddy chose
this planet because a)we look like them
b)we're 'primitive' in relation to Kryptonians and c)weaker than any
Kryptonian arriving on our planet so 'Junior' will be invulnerable*,
faster, stronger, able to fly (difference in gravity/atmosphere), etc.
If you were Jor-El, what would you expect your son, who you're sending
off, to do exactly?
(*in the absence of the various kinds of Kryptonite anyway)
I've always been curious to find out if the writers/director/producers
of The Christopher Reeve movies were
Monty Python fans or not (I think we can take as given that the W/D/Ps
of Smallville are).
I mean, a lot of the Jor-El communications sound like the God
communications in Holy Grail....
>
>
>> I'm not nearly as put off by that suggested connection as I am that
>> they're not
>> using Smallville as a jumping off point. Mind you I'm not upset that
>> they're not
>> using Welling (mildly disappointed, maybe, but not upset), but since
>> the show
>> is there and very little prior to this season would put a crimp in
>> any direction
>> the movie wanted to go in, I don't see why they didn't use it as a
>> background
>> concept.
>> What I'm referring to is the scenes in the trailer of Clark doing
>> mega-leaps through
>> cornfields and such as a younger teen. I would much have preferred
>> if they had just
>> left it out and started with Clark/Kal-El as an adult since that's
>> when most of the movie
>> appears to be set.
>
>
> I don't watch Smallville, so I don't really know much about the show--
> is this movie supposed to be from the same people? Is it a
> continuation of the series? Who is Welling?
As another poster has already said, Tom Welling plays Clark on Smallville.
--Leigh
Donna B
<1132330454....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "SFJason"
<sfja...@aol.com> wrote:
> That's not true. That's why I put "teenage" in quotes. The character
> is this year is supposed to be in his first year in college (hence
> about 17 or 18) but the actor looks like he is probably late 20's early
> 30's in real life. When the show started I always chuckled a little
> because he was supposed to be high school frieshmen (15 or so) but the
> actor had to be mid 20's (and definitely looked it). ...
IIRC the first year he was 25. This is the fifth season, right? So, he's 30
now, I guess. Wow. Whoa. ... And, of course, this year he is beginning to
struggle with his adult responsibilities as Superman, spending more time in
Metropolis instead of almost all in Smallville, on the farm, etc. Last
night's show had the preview in one of its commercials. Oooh, big deal. <G>
Then, I went to a midnight showing of HARRY POTTER & it was one of the ooooh
big deal previews there, too.
I had the hardest time the first year buying Tom Welling as a HS freshman!
It's not so hard to buy now. I don't know if that's better acting on his
part or an easier age gap to manage.
--
Donna B 8^> shallotpeel <*> "Probability factor of one to one ... we have
normality, I repeat we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is
therefore your own problem." - Douglas Adams [3/11/52-5/11/01, tHHGttG]
V.
"Leigh" <lcla...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:D6udnYmWiYG...@giganews.com...
> whodunit wrote:
>
>> Not quite sure about the "Superman as Jesus" connection, but...
>> funny to see Brandon Routh, who really wasn't all that great on OLTL,
>> on the big screen.
>>
>> Trailer and photos here:
>> http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/photos.html
>
>
>
> At least the concept has been hovering in the background nearly since
> the comic began (never mind the Christopher Reeve movies which pretty much
> stated it baldly).
OK, I have to admit, I've not seen all the Superman movies, nor have I read
the comics, and I don't watch Smallville. But, the Superman/Jesus
connection for me comes from the musical "Godspell". In every production
I've seen, Jesus wears a Superman T-shirt or logo. So, if the connection is
being made in that direction (Jesus as Superman), it's not that much of a
stretch to go the other way (Superman as Jesus). Really, it's all about
archetypes. The "Jesus story" actually predates Jesus...you can find the
same archetype in Sumerian literature, Egyptian mythology, etc.
Wow, I must be really bored to be writing about the "Jesus archetype" in
relation to Superman on a soap opera newsgroup! :)
Amy
Donna B
> OK, I have to admit, I've not seen all the Superman movies, nor have I read
> the comics, and I don't watch Smallville. But, the Superman/Jesus
> connection for me comes from the musical "Godspell". In every production
> I've seen, Jesus wears a Superman T-shirt or logo. So, if the connection is
> being made in that direction (Jesus as Superman), it's not that much of a
> stretch to go the other way (Superman as Jesus). Really, it's all about
> archetypes. The "Jesus story" actually predates Jesus...you can find the
> same archetype in Sumerian literature, Egyptian mythology, etc.
>
> Wow, I must be really bored to be writing about the "Jesus archetype" in
> relation to Superman on a soap opera newsgroup! :)
I hope not. Interesting contributions shouldn't need boredom to bring them
out!! <gg>
Donna B
<1132330137.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "SFJason"
<sfja...@aol.com> wrote:
I agree, also, that the Jesus - sacrifice - redemption comparison has been
there all a long. My only serious real criticism of SM was that there was no
way that those glasses were an adequate disguise. <G> But, in terms, of
perfect, that ole horrid P word I try to avoid, it might say something that
THE ADVENTURES OF LOIS & CLARK gives on of my favorite SMs & that is
probably a more human one than most.
V.
"Donna B" <shall...@delphiforums.com> wrote in message
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> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:37:58 -0500 in Msg.#
> <YN-dnYKVYMo...@adelphia.com>, "V." <v...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, I have to admit, I've not seen all the Superman movies, nor have I
>> read
>> the comics, and I don't watch Smallville. But, the Superman/Jesus
>> connection for me comes from the musical "Godspell". In every production
>> I've seen, Jesus wears a Superman T-shirt or logo. So, if the connection
>> is
>> being made in that direction (Jesus as Superman), it's not that much of a
>> stretch to go the other way (Superman as Jesus). Really, it's all about
>> archetypes. The "Jesus story" actually predates Jesus...you can find the
>> same archetype in Sumerian literature, Egyptian mythology, etc.
>>
>> Wow, I must be really bored to be writing about the "Jesus archetype" in
>> relation to Superman on a soap opera newsgroup! :)
>
> I hope not. Interesting contributions shouldn't need boredom to bring them
> out!! <gg>
>
Well, I'm 39 weeks pregnant and sitting at home on maternity leave waiting
for this baby to make an appearance, so boredom is my middle name these
days!! One pro to that is that OLTL is a lot more interesting when you have
nothing better to do and are a little sleep deprived. Once the baby comes I
suspect I'll be so sleep deprived that OLTL will seem like genius
literature.
:)
Amy
Alane
The interesting thing about Superman-as-Jesus is that the character was
created by two Jewish young men - Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster - and was
intended to be a modern-day Moses. That works, too, if you think about
Moses' story as an infant.
Alane