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AMC: "A Portrait of the Quick Change Artist as an Old Bride"

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Pamela Shrimpton

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Jul 31, 2003, 8:08:57 PM7/31/03
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Opal did her thing and said EEK was re' to go (in her weird but
suitable for a non-virgin bride suit) and long, loose hair. And then
not three minutes later Erica walks down the aisle in a wedding gown
with a mini-train and an up-do on her head...I know IOAS but don't
TPTB realize that it doesn't make sense and makes us want to throw
something at the tv, like our mini-Erica dolls, if we had them!??!!
None of us changed our clothes and make-up during the commercial
break, let alone on our wedding day, between unleashing the
bridesmaids and ourself. Sheesh!

Pam "okay, I will slowly count to ten, I will not throw my imaginary
Erica doll" Shrimpton

CynW514

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Jul 31, 2003, 10:02:00 PM7/31/03
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>Opal did her thing and said EEK was re' to go (in her weird but
>suitable for a non-virgin bride suit) and long, loose hair.

>Opal did her thing and said EEK was re' to go (in her weird but
>suitable for a non-virgin bride suit) and long, loose hair.

I really liked the weird suit! Nice and Edwardiam, and it made EEK look not
wizened but _dainty_, and also went with the decorations. Her upswept hair
would have been fine with that, sort of captain's table of the Titanic et al.
But NOOOO. Here came the rock Cornish game hen, yet again...

Cyn (or maybe an ortolan?)
Cynthia Walker (Cyn...@aol.com)
"I have seen the future and it licks itself clean"
--Bucky the cat

startrek granny

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Jul 31, 2003, 9:48:16 PM7/31/03
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I was headed for the web to see if Shaqqie would please give us a
critique of the Pilgrim Bride and behold she was transformed. I must say
I like this one better than any, except maybe the turban she wore to
marry Tom. Now that was a hat!!

Aisling Willow Grey

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Jul 31, 2003, 11:39:43 PM7/31/03
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>>Pamela Shrimpton wrote:
> Opal did her thing and said EEK was re' to go (in her weird but
> suitable for a non-virgin bride suit) and long, loose hair. And then
> not three minutes later Erica walks down the aisle in a wedding gown
> with a mini-train and an up-do on her head...I know IOAS but don't
> TPTB realize that it doesn't make sense and makes us want to throw
> something at the tv, like our mini-Erica dolls, if we had them!??!!<<

Worse yet, Opal _sprayed her hair_ before pronouncing her done. Who
would spray their hair _before_ putting it in an up-do? And, with All
Set, yet?!!

Aisling
FAC Will Cortlandt
Jewelled Frango 2001

Tante Joan

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Aug 1, 2003, 8:58:59 AM8/1/03
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On 31 Jul 2003 17:08:57 -0700, plshr...@yahoo.com (Pamela
Shrimpton) wrote:

>Opal did her thing and said EEK was re' to go (in her weird but
>suitable for a non-virgin bride suit) and long, loose hair. And then
>not three minutes later Erica walks down the aisle in a wedding gown
>with a mini-train and an up-do on her head...I know IOAS but don't
>TPTB realize that it doesn't make sense and makes us want to throw
>something at the tv, like our mini-Erica dolls, if we had them!??!!
>None of us changed our clothes and make-up during the commercial
>break, let alone on our wedding day, between unleashing the
>bridesmaids and ourself. Sheesh!
>

Not to mention that her cover-me-up-I'm-giving-Jack-a-Strip-O-Bride
coat was in ice aqua (at least on my monitor) and the gown was pink.
AND vaguely reminiscent of one of the gowns she used to pose in when
she was Erica Kane, The World's Smallest Supermodel. Why would not
her wedding gown be the same hue as the cover-up, or vicey-versey?

TJ, Fashion Damn Stringer to the Stars

Carol B.

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Aug 1, 2003, 3:46:08 PM8/1/03
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Tante Joan <tant...@softhome.net> wrote in message news:<2ookivsge2213eh9q...@4ax.com>...

our trinitron showed her gown pure white and
her cover me up as silver grey (and wrinkled).
Personally, the cover up would have been more
"appropriate" for EEK's wedding:-)
Carol B.- I wore psychedelic colors

David

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Aug 4, 2003, 12:09:14 PM8/4/03
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Tante Joan <tant...@softhome.net> wrote in message news:<2ookivsge2213eh9q...@4ax.com>...

I may be in the minority, but I actually loved the cover-up. I
thought it was actually the gown, and I briefly gave Erica props for
wearing something elegant, unique, and mature. Then, out she came in
that gown, made especially at home for the prom queen of Wood Nymph
High. The hell? And did I see nipple? I'm *positive* I saw nipple.

Other than that, I thought the wedding was fun. I loved Ruth's "as
long as she's not marrying a Brent or a Martin" crack. I love that
Erica is reaping precisely what she's sown with Greenlee. I love
David and Maggie's ardent, ongoing attempts to support Bianca. I love
Kendall torn between Erica and Greenlee. I love Mary Smythe,
Repentant Mom for a New Generation. Good stuff, really.

David "But, Darnell, though you know I love you, COACH... HARDER"
Welsh.

Scott Lindstrom

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Aug 4, 2003, 12:18:01 PM8/4/03
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David wrote:

>
> Other than that, I thought the wedding was fun. I loved Ruth's "as
> long as she's not marrying a Brent or a Martin" crack. I love that
> Erica is reaping precisely what she's sown with Greenlee. I love
> David and Maggie's ardent, ongoing attempts to support Bianca. I love
> Kendall torn between Erica and Greenlee. I love Mary Smythe,
> Repentant Mom for a New Generation. Good stuff, really.


This is a trademark of McT writing. Months of agonizing
writing that destroys characters. Then for 3 days during
sweeps, there are satisfying fireworks as the plot-driven
plot climaxes.

Scott, throwing cold water

Carol

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Aug 4, 2003, 3:39:20 PM8/4/03
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>Scott Lindstrom Scot...@netscape.net virtually pens:

Who are all these characters who have been destroyed in this storyline? I think
this is the best material Greenlee, Erica, Kendall and Jack have had in several
years, Mary is very entertaining, and nothing in this story is wildly out of
character for them. Even though I hate what's been done to Bianca, her
character hasn't been destroyed (yet) and this is bang-up material for her,
Maggie, David, and eventually Erica, Kendall, etc. I do wish Lena were more
involved.

If you want to see agonizing, character-destroying writing, I'd suggest the
"Ben is a serial killer because of 2 days of backstory no one has ever heard of
before" storyline on Guiding Light.

Texensis

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Aug 5, 2003, 6:22:49 AM8/5/03
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"David" <dave...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:aaf23346.03080...@posting.google.com...

| Tante Joan <tant...@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:<2ookivsge2213eh9q...@4ax.com>...
| > On 31 Jul 2003 17:08:57 -0700, plshr...@yahoo.com (Pamela
| > Shrimpton) wrote:
| >
/SNIP/

| > Not to mention that her
cover-me-up-I'm-giving-Jack-a-Strip-O-Bride
| > coat was in ice aqua (at least on my monitor) and the gown was
pink.
| > AND vaguely reminiscent of one of the gowns she used to pose in
when
| > she was Erica Kane, The World's Smallest Supermodel. Why would
not
| > her wedding gown be the same hue as the cover-up, or vicey-versey?
|
| I may be in the minority, but I actually loved the cover-up. I
| thought it was actually the gown, and I briefly gave Erica props for
| wearing something elegant, unique, and mature. Then, out she came
in
| that gown, made especially at home for the prom queen of Wood Nymph
| High. The hell? And did I see nipple? I'm *positive* I saw
nipple.
|

/SNIP/


| David "But, Darnell, though you know I love you, COACH... HARDER"
| Welsh.

I liked the cover-up and thought it would have made a more suitable
outfit for the wedding. Her hair was more elegant also.
...........to see another too-much-uncovered bride-of-a-certain-age
emphasizing unsightly scrawny parts, see wedding pix of Donna Hanover
(Rudy's ex) floating around out there in the newspapers


Lara H

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Aug 5, 2003, 11:41:24 AM8/5/03
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speaking of scrawny parts or just way too thin..Bianca's scapulas were
just sad sticking out above the gown like they did. No flesh at all on
that girl any more. She doesn't look healthy. She used to look like a
normal healthy girl. Now she is looking more like an anorexic might.
Perhaps it is the storyline, but she has been too thin for a while.

Lara

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Photographer - editor - writer

Tante Joan

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Aug 5, 2003, 2:54:40 PM8/5/03
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:42:21 -0400, rsny <emeral...@rcn.com> wrote:

>About *what* is Mary repentant? My take is that she brought this all
>out now for her own benefit, not for Greenlee's or Jack's or anyone
>else's.

OK, here's the deal. I have no way of knowing how old you are, but I
sure as shooting know how old I am. I'm old enough to regret things
that I did in my youth or early middle age that were done out of self
interest or thoughtlessness or carelessness or depraved indifference
to the needs of others. I want to be a better person. Also, as I
grow older, things other than good times, good men, good jewelry
(well, that's a bad example; I will ALWAYS want good jewelry) come to
mean more to me than formerly. If I had a daughter, for example, I
might begin to appreciate that lovers may come and go, taking with
them varying chunks of my self-esteem, money and self-respect, but my
daughter can offer me lasting benefits that can replace these
transient pleasures. Companionship, perhaps. Grandchildren, perhaps.
Even the simple joy of sharing a common frame of reference -- someone
who will laugh at a shared family joke or with whom I can poke fun at
Aunt Fiona's silly taste in shoes.

Repentance is a process that the women SPERM chose to support
undertook, like AA, a day at a time. Arlene, a prime SPERM Lifetime
Achievement recipient, slid back as much as she inched forward. The
effort was all.

Mary may seem to be as shallow and self-involved and monstrous as she
was on arrival in Pine Valley. To my SPERM-educated eye, however, I
detect glimmerings of genuine regret at what her superficial existence
has cost her, and even more hopeful, genuine regret at what her warped
early value system -- for which her parents must accept some degree of
blame -- cost the two people she wanted least to cause injury. I'll
continue to look for the best in Mary, while standing ready to rap her
smartly with a spatula if needed.

--TJ
posting to all and sundry,especially Sundry
[Who he? He helps me shave my legs with Occam's Razor]

Tante Joan

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Aug 6, 2003, 8:26:59 PM8/6/03
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:49:50 -0400, rsny <emeral...@rcn.com> wrote:

>Like you, I also look back, regret some things and either try to right
>them or do better next time.
>
>Maybe I haven't been paying as much attention to the show, but I don't
>recall seeing *any* signs of self-awareness or other significant
>changes in Mary since she first came on the scene. My take is that
>living the good life and having some social status are still her
>overriding concerns, and that she pours on the motherly concern when
>she thinks she can use her daughter for her own means.
>
>I *do* respect your SPERM-educated eye and I do hope that you're
>right, but I guess I'm not a particularly optimistic person.

Let's both keep a good thought, then. I am wired to err on the side
of seeing the repentance waiting to emerge, but in Mary's case I
really have seen glimmers of regret.

Given her druthers, Mary would have lived a different life, I think,
but she has years of entitlement issues standing in her way. Greenlee
has them too, but is young enough to be persuaded of the basic
inequity of that mindset. When Greenlee falls back on the easy
recourse to elitist, racist or intolerant behaviors she can be brought
up short and apply a remedy. The best brake on Greenlee's innate bad
upbringing is the memory of her late husband's egalitarian facility
for taking people at their own valuation, not that of others. Mary
has not had that advantage. She tries to appear modern in thought,
but reverts quickly to atrocious behavior when thwarted. (See how
fast she can go from appearing to appreciate Carlos -- pause here for
an "Ewww" -- to calling him "Pancho.")

See? I see Mary plain, and yet I can hope for her ultimate
SPERMworthiness. I am hopelessly hopeful.

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