OLTL: Who Killed Colin?
almc...@bellsouth.net
into a fight with Lindsey, Jen or Melanie.
Josey
Bo, she's seperating herself. I have aways felt it was her.
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Kim
JMO.
Kim
Natasha
Kim wrote:
>Melanie just looks too guitly so she's probably a red herring.
>JMO.
I was thinking that, too, but then I have to ask a question: if she didn't
do anything, why is she so guilty?
Anyway, I wish that it would turn out to be her and that she gets caught and
shipped off for a long time. I'm sick of her wishy-washy personality, her
mousiness and her inability to complete a sentence or be straight about
anything. That constant deer-caught-in-headlights look on her face can go,
too....as can that limp, bleached platinum hair of hers. She's no match for
Bo.
Natasha
Edna
sister that were not too close to him.
Watch out folks! All this concern over Lindsey, Jenn, Melanie,Jessica
will be for naught. I predict the murderer will be someone we have
never seen.
Edna
BeeThree
sister that were not too close to him.<<<
good thought! Maybe Colin has a twin brother & he'll be showing up in Llanview
pretty soon.
>>Watch out folks! All this concern over Lindsey, Jenn, Melanie,Jessica
will be for naught. I predict the murderer will be someone we have
never seen.
Edna<<
That could be the case, however, why does everyone look so guilty with those
pathetic looks of consternation plastered all over their faces? And those
close-ups of their scared faces is getting to me. Especially poor little Jen -
I wish she'd get a grip PDQ.
Barb
Kim
or she thinks she contributed to his death - ie, she hit him, walked in on
him already dead, fought with him, something. Just my take after watching
soaps for 15 years.
I just started watching OLTL again in February after not being able to in a
while. How the heck did Melanie and Bo get together? And WHY? I see no
chemistry with them. Bo has more chemistry with John Skyes and Todd then
Melanie. Heck, he has more chemistry with his office chair than ol' Lanie!
He has more chemistry with those blonde strands of hair! Ok, you get my
point.
Kim
> Kim wrote:
> >Melanie just looks too guitly so she's probably a red herring.
> >JMO.
> "Natasha" <star...@enteract.com> wrote in message
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"Kim" <kmax...@warwick.net> wrote in message
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> Why does she look so guilty? Just my guess is because she knows who did
it
> or she thinks she contributed to his death - ie, she hit him, walked in on
> him already dead, fought with him, something. Just my take after watching
> soaps for 15 years.
>
> I just started watching OLTL again in February after not being able to in
a
> while. How the heck did Melanie and Bo get together? And WHY? I see no
> chemistry with them. Bo has more chemistry with John Skyes and Todd then
> Melanie. Heck, he has more chemistry with his office chair than ol'
Lanie!
> He has more chemistry with those blonde strands of hair! Ok, you get my
> point.
>
> Kim
>
>
I sort of want it to be Lanie. Then they can send her to Statesville or
where ever. I agree with Kim she doesn't have any chemistry with Bo. They
don't even act well together in my opinion. Bo had more spark whenever he
was messing around with Lindsey. Well, too much water has gone under the
Lindsey bridge... I hope he gets back with Nora. I wasn't watching
whenever Bo and Lanie got together, but it doesn't seem to be working.
Natasha
Kim wrote:
>Why does she look so guilty? Just my guess is because she knows who did it
>or she thinks she contributed to his death - ie, she hit him, walked in on
>him already dead, fought with him, something. Just my take after watching
>soaps for 15 years.
That's my guess, too....that she thinks she killed him, maybe because he was
knocked out resulting from a struggle w/ her. But she fled in panic and
someone of the 10 people who stopped by that night actually finished him
off.
>I just started watching OLTL again in February after not being able to in a
>while. How the heck did Melanie and Bo get together? And WHY?
Why? Rumor has it that Robert S. Woods wanted makeout scenes w/ a cute
blonde, at least 25 years younger than him and who looks great in a bikini,
so the concept of Melanie MacIver was born. I'm only being slightly
sarcastic.
How did they get together? Melanie wrecked Bo's parked motorcycle when she
ran into it w/ her car and then they met up w/ each other again that night
in the dining room of a local inn. There was a band and Bo asked her to
dance and she stepped all over his feet, being a klutz w/ no clue how to
dance. A little later, Bo heard Melanie sobbing in her room, which happened
to be next to his, w/ a door connecting them. Bo went through the door and
offered himself to Melanie for comfort, and since she didn't even know his
name, nothing could be more appealing to her.
W/ so many magical elements coming together at once, it's a wonder they
weren't engaged sooner. Adding to the irresistable appeal of being super
easy and a woman who would screw a guy whose name she doesn't know (which
always makes a guy think of a woman as great wife material) Melanie
continued to charm Bo's heart by turning up everywhere again and again, even
though they never planned to see one another again. When Bo finds out
Melanie is married to a chronic philanderer and liar and is the half-sister
of Bo's psycho ex fiancee, the spell was complete. It also didn't hurt to
find out she was a doctor. I guess that's a step better than falling for
someone w/ a lounge act, which, for all he knew when he started looking for
her, was what she did for a living. And then, considering he'd only known
her six months or so, naturally he'd have to propose. Who'd want to risk a
catch like that getting away?
>I see no
>chemistry with them. Bo has more chemistry with John Skyes and Todd then
>Melanie. Heck, he has more chemistry with his office chair than ol' Lanie!
>He has more chemistry with those blonde strands of hair! Ok, you get my
>point.
>Kim
LOL! Yeah, I get your point. Melanie is a washout. A bigger washout than
that hair color of hers. The two have no spark together at all. I wonder if
TPTB have caught on to this, too, and maybe that's why we've been spared a
lot of scenes w/ them the last couple of months. It just seems to me their
air time together has been noticeably reduced.
Natasha
Eadie Silverberg
"BeeThree" <beet...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >>>Today was the first time they mentioned that Colin had a brother and a
> sister that were not too close to him.<<<
>
> good thought! Maybe Colin has a twin brother & he'll be showing up in
Llanview
> pretty soon.
>
That would be one way to keep the actor on the boards, without having to
keep bringing Colin back as a ghost with a dirty face!! . . . . Since every
one thought he was a good actor, this would solve the problem of losing him
from the show!! Maybe the brother could be a more pleasant person, and
would be more acceptable to the fans!!
EADIE !
MrnLibn
>sister that were not too close to him.<<<
>
>good thought! Maybe Colin has a twin brother & he'll be showing up in
>Llanview
>pretty soon.
Oh My God! Another lookalike character! And I had a Benny Hill-type vision:
Ty Treadway playing *both* the sister and the brother.
At least the sister will probably keep 'her' shirt on.......
Patricia Ryan
FGC-Carly, Honorary Adoptive Grandma
proud net.mom to the incredible Michelle Debra :-)
You have every right to express your opinions; that doesn't mean I want to hear
them.
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Bville
It would also be the return of a very overused soap tactic. Remember
Marco Dane's twin brother Mario and Carlo Hesser's twin brother
Mortimer? The same formula has been used on many other soaps as well,
ad nauseum. I do think the mention of a brother and sister we haven't
heard of before may be a hint of new characters to come, but PLEASE
don't make it a twin!! It sure wouldn't surprise me, though. After
all, Nora needs someone to fall in love with...
Xan
Josey
could rush in and cheer him up...
"Kim" <kmax...@warwick.net> wrote in message
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Susan Barnett
wrote on 5/7/01 4:54 PM:
>
> Kim wrote:
>> Melanie just looks too guitly so she's probably a red herring.
>> JMO.
>
>
> I was thinking that, too, but then I have to ask a question: if she didn't
> do anything, why is she so guilty?
Well, it could be that Melanie *thinks* she killed Colin, but it will turn
out that she actually didn't. She might have had a fight with him, they
struggled, he got her hair under his nails, and she hit him with a lamp or
something. He falls, she thinks he's dead and flees in panic. BUT someone
else is lurking around, sees Colin come to and then comes in and finishes
him off.
>
> Anyway, I wish that it would turn out to be her and that she gets caught and
> shipped off for a long time. I'm sick of her wishy-washy personality, her
> mousiness and her inability to complete a sentence or be straight about
> anything. That constant deer-caught-in-headlights look on her face can go,
> too....as can that limp, bleached platinum hair of hers. She's no match for
> Bo.
>
> Natasha
I really wish Melanie would turn out to be the killer, too. Or at least
leave town after this whole mess is finished. The character is just too
boring for words -- and way too young for Bo! I also hate the fact that
because Melanie is supposed to be "good," that translates into her being
sickening sweet, mousy and a doormat. She would be so much more likable if
she would have an actual backbone. And when she's trying to tell Bo her
deep, dark secret and he interrupts her again, she should say, "Let me
finish, Bo!"
Susan
Susan Barnett
beet...@aol.com wrote on 5/7/01 7:26 PM:
>>>> Today was the first time they mentioned that Colin had a brother and a
> sister that were not too close to him.<<<
>
> good thought! Maybe Colin has a twin brother & he'll be showing up in
> Llanview
> pretty soon.
As much as I hate twin brothers and/or sisters suddenly showing up, I would
love to have Ty Treadway back onscreen. He was so much fun to watch as
Colin, especially when he got really evil. If he came back as Colin's twin
brother -- not as psycho, but still with an edge -- I'd be very happy.
>
>>> Watch out folks! All this concern over Lindsey, Jenn, Melanie,Jessica
> will be for naught. I predict the murderer will be someone we have
> never seen.
> Edna<<
>
> That could be the case, however, why does everyone look so guilty with those
> pathetic looks of consternation plastered all over their faces? And those
> close-ups of their scared faces is getting to me. Especially poor little Jen
> -
> I wish she'd get a grip PDQ.
>
> Barb
I'm also getting really tired of *everyone* looking guilty as hell. Hey,
writers! Could we please move this forward a bit??
Susan
Natasha
Susan Barnett wrote:
>As much as I hate twin brothers and/or sisters suddenly showing up, I would
>love to have Ty Treadway back onscreen. He was so much fun to watch as
>Colin, especially when he got really evil. If he came back as Colin's twin
>brother -- not as psycho, but still with an edge -- I'd be very happy.
Only trouble is, he's really the most interesting and fun to watch when he's
really evil and psycho. It's funny how little I cared about him when he was
caught in a situation of knowing he should let Nora go and knowing he'd go
to jail if he did. Once he got demonic, though, I was amazed at how gripping
his performance was. I have to say, it's been fun seeing him in people's
hallucinations of terror. When Lanie imagined him sitting up on that
coroner's slab and he made that horrible face and those boogey-man sounds,
it gave me the chills. I almost screamed.
I'm afraid he TT takes over the role of a new, less possessed character,
he'd go back to being pretty ordinary.
>I'm also getting really tired of *everyone* looking guilty as hell. Hey,
>writers! Could we please move this forward a bit??
>Susan
I'm bugged by this, too. Everyone can't be guilty! Moreover, everyone can't
be guilty AND suspect everyone else. If you think someone else committed a
murderer, it means you couldn't have done it yourself. And if you committed
the murder yourself, you know no one else did it. Obviously, it's a stall
tactic by the writers to keep us guessing. But you can only stall for so
long before you overstep the patience of the viewer. They passed this point
a month ago, IMO. I agree...let's get on w/ it!
Natasha
Kim
> How the heck did Melanie and Bo get together? And WHY?
"Natasha" <star...@enteract.com> wrote in message
> Why? Rumor has it that Robert S. Woods wanted makeout scenes w/ a cute
> blonde, at least 25 years younger than him and who looks great in a
bikini,
> so the concept of Melanie MacIver was born. I'm only being slightly
> sarcastic.
Sarcastic is good though. After seeing this couple onscreen, I think your
sarcastic reason may be the best excuse for this diabolical plot.
<some snippage>
>Bo heard Melanie sobbing in her room, which happened
> to be next to his, w/ a door connecting them. Bo went through the door and
> offered himself to Melanie for comfort, and since she didn't even know his
> name, nothing could be more appealing to her.
OMG... what a slut! <g> They actually slept together after meeting once?
What was going on in Bo's life that he actually did this? After Lindsey and
feeling depressed?
>Adding to the irresistable appeal of being super
> easy and a woman who would screw a guy whose name she doesn't know (which
> always makes a guy think of a woman as great wife material)
LOL... oh, you're funny!
<snippage>
>maybe that's why we've been spared a
> lot of scenes w/ them the last couple of months. It just seems to me their
> air time together has been noticeably reduced.
>
> Natasha
There is a God in heaven! "This episode should me marked, "Lower in Bo and
Melanie scenes than the old version."
Thanks for the info Natasha.
Kim
Claudia
> into a fight with Lindsey, Jen or Melanie.
I think that Nora killed Colin when she was drugged. (This not only
explains why Nora doesn't remember, but will let her off the hook when the
truth comes out.) The blonde hair is probably just from when the body was
discovered or moved.
Claudia
Natasha
Kim wrote:
>> How the heck did Melanie and Bo get together? And WHY?
>"Natasha" wrote:
>>Bo heard Melanie sobbing in her room, which happened
>> to be next to his, w/ a door connecting them. Bo went through the door
and
>> offered himself to Melanie for comfort, and since she didn't even know
his
>> name, nothing could be more appealing to her.
>OMG... what a slut! <g> They actually slept together after meeting once?
And they didn't even know each other's names.
>What was going on in Bo's life that he actually did this? After Lindsey
and
>feeling depressed?
Yep. They built up this whole "Bo at the end of his rope" thing. Lindsay was
driving him crazy and so was Nora. Stresses were getting to him. He was in a
police hang out one night and got into a hassle w/ RJ, who was a real bear
to be around after Tea dumped him and was blaming Bo for it, irrational as
it was. RJ taunted Bo really viciously, hitting him where he lived, and Bo
went over the edge. He pummelled the crap out of RJ, who never even had the
chance to swing back. All the cops at the bar that night protected Bo by
pretending they didn't see anything. Bo gave his badge to John Sykes, told
him he was taking some vacation days, starting immediately, and took off on
his bike.
The rest is history.
You can probably see why after all this, sacking down w/ the nameless woman
who wrecks his bike posed such an attractive escape option for him. What a
metaphor for their relationship.
>>Adding to the irresistable appeal of being super
>> easy and a woman who would screw a guy whose name she doesn't know (which
>> always makes a guy think of a woman as great wife material)
>LOL... oh, you're funny!
What are you going to do? If you don't find a way to laugh at this stuff,
you have to tear your hair out.
>Thanks for the info Natasha.
>Kim
Don't mention it. ;o)
Natasha
Natasha
Claudia wrote:
>I think that Nora killed Colin when she was drugged. (This not only
>explains why Nora doesn't remember, but will let her off the hook when the
>truth comes out.) The blonde hair is probably just from when the body was
>discovered or moved.
Seems like in the heavily drugged state Nora was in, she wasn't in any kind
of shape to do much to Colin. I still say she could've stuck him w/ that
needle Sykes found, but that's about it. I agree the drugs in her could keep
her from remembering anything she did...and, in fact, she doesn't remember
anything. I don't think she would need her drugged state, however, to get
her off the hook. It seems to me, killing a crazed kidnapper, would-be
rapist in order to get away from him is justifiable homicide.
The problem w/ your explanation of the blonde hairs is that the hairs
weren't simply found on Colin's clothes, etc., but under his fingernails.
That suggests a struggle. Which means which ever blonde was in contact w/
him before he died engaged in a heated physical struggle w/ him. Once he was
dead, he wouldn't be grabbing anyone's hair.
Natasha
Lindy
>You have a point. It would be cool if it is her. Bo would be crushed-Nora
>could rush in and cheer him up...
As much as I would have loved this to be true months ago, I must admit that I'm
over wanting Bo and Nora to be back together again. He has turned into such a
dunce that I don't even like him much anymore. I don't know if it was him
having plastic surgery in real life, catching glimpses of his bracelet (I know
he's worn it for years - I try to pretend it's not there) or watching him fall
head over heels for duh-Melanie so quickly..... probably a combo of all of the
above. I used to love him. Now I just feel sad when I see him because he's
not "real" anymore.
Lindy
Kim
find that hard to believe considering RJ looks HUGE vs Bo? That must have
been some dern good acting on Bob Woods' part!
So, are you like, the unofficial historian of OLTL or just have a good
memory?
Kim
> OMG... what a slut! <g> They actually slept together after meeting once?
Irishpig13
>keep bringing Colin back as a ghost with a dirty face!! . . . . Since every
>one thought he was a good actor, this would solve the problem of losing him
>from the show!! Maybe the brother could be a more pleasant person, and
>would be more acceptable to the fans!!
>
Or maybe Colin killed his twin brother, so everone would think he was dead.
Bville
Natasha wrote:
>
> (snipping and adding spoiler space for my response...)
> The problem w/ your explanation of the blonde hairs is that the hairs
> weren't simply found on Colin's clothes, etc., but under his fingernails.
> That suggests a struggle. Which means which ever blonde was in contact w/
> him before he died engaged in a heated physical struggle w/ him. Once he was
> dead, he wouldn't be grabbing anyone's hair.
>
> Natasha
scroll down....
Didn't we see today in Melanie's flashback that she actually did
struggle with Colin and he was pulling her hair? Or am I imagining it?
So, the hair under his fingernail will no doubt be Melanie's, but I
don't think she killed him.
Xan
Taryn
>
> Susan Barnett wrote:
> >As much as I hate twin brothers and/or sisters suddenly showing up, I would
> >love to have Ty Treadway back onscreen. He was so much fun to watch as
> >Colin, especially when he got really evil. If he came back as Colin's twin
> >brother -- not as psycho, but still with an edge -- I'd be very happy.
>
> Only trouble is, he's really the most interesting and fun to watch when he's
> really evil and psycho. It's funny how little I cared about him when he was
> caught in a situation of knowing he should let Nora go and knowing he'd go
> to jail if he did. Once he got demonic, though, I was amazed at how gripping
> his performance was. I have to say, it's been fun seeing him in people's
> hallucinations of terror.
Well, if Colin pulled the 'ol switch-eroo like Carlo Hesser/Mortimer
Burn back in the day, then conceiveably Colin could still be alive in a
sense. But Natasha is right; there's no way that Ty Treadway could come
back as a character nearly as entertaining as Colin was when he was
evil. But then again, when Carlo came back as "Mortimer," I was
entertained by that. But maybe it's just me. :)
> >I'm also getting really tired of *everyone* looking guilty as hell. Hey,
> >writers! Could we please move this forward a bit??
> >Susan
>
> I'm bugged by this, too. Everyone can't be guilty! Moreover, everyone can't
> be guilty AND suspect everyone else. If you think someone else committed a
> murderer, it means you couldn't have done it yourself. And if you committed
> the murder yourself, you know no one else did it. Obviously, it's a stall
> tactic by the writers to keep us guessing. But you can only stall for so
> long before you overstep the patience of the viewer. They passed this point
> a month ago, IMO. I agree...let's get on w/ it!
True. Seems to me like the only plausible explanation for the collective
guilt of nearly all of the Llanview residents would be the "Orient
Express" murder theory, the one discussed a few months back in this
Newsgroup. That is, if everyone had some reason to feel a little
guilty, but no one knew for SURE if he/she killed Colin... that seems
the only plausible explanation, if you consider everyone's guilty
behaviors to be a factor.
i, however, consider this mostlt irrelevant, for some intuitive reason I
can't articulate. I think the writers are throwing a lot of red herrings
our way, and I'm just ignoring the lot of them, on the whole.
I still think Will did it, but I of course have no evidence for such
speculation. :)
Taryn
Suzanne Dallapè
"Bville" <res0...@gte.net> wrote in message
> I do think the mention of a brother and sister we haven't
> heard of before may be a hint of new characters to come, but PLEASE
> don't make it a twin!!
Not only will it be a twin, but what do you want to bet that they guy in
RJ's box is NOT the real Colin, but his poor ignorant brother who got caught
in the wrong place at the wrong time??
It sure wouldn't surprise me, though. After
> all, Nora needs someone to fall in love with...
Well, they DID have good chemistry together, however twisted!
-S.
Suzanne Dallapè
>
> Kim wrote:
> >Melanie just looks too guitly so she's probably a red herring.
> >JMO.
>
>
> I was thinking that, too, but then I have to ask a question: if she didn't
> do anything, why is she so guilty?
Because those are her hairs under his fingernails. She went to his house
and had a fight, and she knows what the lab results are going to show. She
is FEARFUL, but not guilty. Remember her shock when she learned that Colin
was dead? That proves she did not do it. But yes, I think it IS going to
come out that those hairs are hers, and she knows it, so that's why she is
acting like she is about to go to jail. Now, why she doesn't tell Bo about
her meeting with Colin is a mystery, one which they will hopefully explain.
--S.
Suzanne Dallapè
"Edna" <ocean...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:16992-
> Watch out folks! All this concern over Lindsey, Jenn, Melanie,Jessica
> will be for naught. I predict the murderer will be someone we have
> never seen.
I don't think so. If it were someone we don't know, it would hold no
interest for us. It has to be someone we know and care about. The ONLY
possible exception to this is if it is NOT Colin who is dead, but his twin
brother, and COLIN was the murderer. Even then, the killer is someone we
know, even if the victim is not.
--S.
Suzanne Dallapè
> Claudia wrote:
> >I think that Nora killed Colin when she was drugged. [snip]
I am in agreement with Claudia. Nora would be the perfect killer. She was
drugged up so will get off easily, and remember, Sam was looking up legal
cases involving murder under the influence of drugs. He said it was because
he was defending Blair, but can't anyone else see the significance? I think
Sam saw what Nora had done, and he is planning on helping her if/when she is
discovered to be the killer. I also think that Lindsay and Jen know
something, though it cannot be that Nora is the killer, because otherwise
Lindsay would have totally spilled the beans on that by now. I think that
Lindsay & Jen came upon Colin's body (with or without knowing that Sam was
there), and don't want anyone to know how close they were to the murder.
Perhaps they DID see Sam there, which is why they are so quiet and
suspicious. I think Will got into a fight with Colin, and Lanie did too.
More on this below.
Natasha wrote:
> Seems like in the heavily drugged state Nora was in, she wasn't in any
kind
> of shape to do much to Colin.
The drugs were starting to wear off when we last saw them. It is possible
that the murder took place much later in the evening.
> The problem w/ your explanation of the blonde hairs is that the hairs
> weren't simply found on Colin's clothes, etc., but under his fingernails.
> That suggests a struggle.
In flashbacks, it is apparent that Melanie came to Colin's house and was
involved in some sort of struggle with him. This would explain the hairs.
Here is my take:
1. Colin was about to violate a semi-conscious Nora when the doorbell rang.
2. "You?" was Melanie. She bitched about how he was mistreating Nora and
demanded to see her. Colin, obviously not wanting her to know he drugged
Nora up, got into a fight with her, probably grabbing her by the hair.
(Hence the blonde hairs.)
3. Melanie left with a threat of some sort.
4. Will arrived, and he and Colin got into a fistfight.
5. Colin was badly hurt by Will, and was unconscious on the floor. (I don't
know if Will thought Colin was dead or not. He acted suspicious & guilty at
the hospital later, but perhaps this was due to some other reason.)
6. Meanwhile, RJ had gone to the house with a gun. He was lurking outside
the house, and saw Lanie come & go, and Will come and go. He was about to
go into the house (to threaten or kill Colin??), when Sam showed up. RJ
retreated back into the bushes.
7. Sam went inside the house, to find an unconscious or dead Colin on the
floor, and Nora standing over him (with a syringe? Baseball bat? Some
murder weapon?) in her hand. Not knowing about Will's visit, Sam believed
that Nora killed Colin. Sam hustled Nora out of there and took her to the
hospital.
8. RJ took Colin's body and hid it in the woods.
9. Lindsay went to Jen to talk to her about Colin's betrayal. (Remember,
Colin just revealed that Jen was the mole who broke up her parents'
marriage, and Lindsay wanted to console her.) For some reason, they ended
up at Colin's house. They saw something suspicious--either Sam looking at
Colin's body (perhaps saying "He's dead!" thus casting suspicion on
himself), or RJ dragging it out, or (my favorite) both. They did not tell
the police because of the letters that would come out upon Colin's death.
(Jen knew about her mom's involvement in Nora's kidnapping, so she would be
likely to want to keep Colin's death a secret to save her mother.)
10. I don't think Roseanne was at the house at all. I think her guilt stems
from her physical involvement with Colin and her criminal involvement with
RJ.
11. Whether Colin died in the fight with Will or by something Nora did will
be discovered during the autopsy.
So we have:
MELANIE knows the hairs are hers, and she's terrified that it will point to
her, hence her guilty looks.
WILL knows he knocked Colin unconscious and might have killed him, hence his
guilt and reluctance to talk to Jess about it.
SAM believes that Nora killed Colin, and is keeping quiet to protect her,
hence his certainty that Colin was dead long before the body was found.
RJ knows that Colin is dead. He moved the body so that Colin would not be
found and the letters would remain unopened.
LINDSAY knew Colin was dead. She did not tell the police because of the
letters.
JEN knew Colin was dead, but didn't tell anyone because of her mother. That
is why she was the biggest objector to telling the police when the body was
found.
CRIS is not involved.
ROSEANNE is not involved.
JESS is not involved.
NORA is the killer, but doesn't know it.
PRINT THIS OUT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE and see how close I get!!
--S.
jasey brite
I do agree with this. Next to Lanie she's been my prime suspect, and now that
the focus is pretty much all Lanie (and Lindsey/Jen, but I'm confident neither
of them did it) , Nora's looking better all the time. I was always curious
about her lying half-in, half-out of the bedroom door 'one hour later,' and
immediately pegged her as a potential culprit. I agree that she doesn't know,
and will get off easily.
!jase!
even bryant gumbel thinks that you're trash. - "ode to jerri getting voted out'
Natasha
Kim wrote:
>Ok, now I understand the sleeping together thing. Bo beat up RJ? Why do I
>find that hard to believe considering RJ looks HUGE vs Bo? That must have
>been some dern good acting on Bob Woods' part!
LOL! Bo is supposed to be a formiddable opponent, IMO. He's reasonably
large-built and has always been depicted as strong and a good fighter (going
back to his old 'Nam combat training, I guess). I think it's also that he
took RJ by surprise...even though RJ was baiting him viciously, I still
think RJ didn't expect Bo to tear into RJ w/ punches because he thought Bo
was too professional....and so he was caught off guard. Also, Bo socked him
hard in the face, knocking him down and probably stunning him, then jumped
on him and started laying hard punches into him. I think he just totally
overwhelmed RJ unexpectedly and that's why he prevailed. Otherwise, I agree,
RJ can take care of himself.
>So, are you like, the unofficial historian of OLTL or just have a good
>memory?
>Kim
LOL! I'm the "official" OLTL historian and also a Goddess who demands an
appropriate degree of worship and respect.
JOKING!!! I'M JOKING!!!
It's an inside joke, actually. Someone liked a post of mine a lot once and
responded by saying I was a goddess, which gave us all a big laugh. Anyway,
I replied to this poster another time that she should remember I'm a
goddess. Now there was this goofy, cranky old guy that was posting here for
a while, who had taken an intense dislike to me, and enjoyed flaming me (and
I him on occasion, I confess). I guess he didn't understand the reference,
and assumed I was proclaiming myself a goddess and he nearly went beserk. Me
and many others tried reminding him it was a joke, but he wasn't getting it.
He was enraged that he thought I was calling myself a goddess and in almost
every flame after that he'd make some comment like "Goddess, my patootie!"
or "that self-proclaimed "Goddess" Natasha!" He kept talking about how
arrogant and nervy I was. It was actually hysterically funny.
I feel sort of bad about it, recalling it. The poor old guy. He'd get so
worked up, he probably busted his hernia truss. He hasn't been around in
over a year, I don't think. Jeez, I sure hope he didn't cause himself a
stroke or something.
Seriously, though, my memory comes and goes. The stuff I described about Bo
meeting Lanie and the fight w/ RJ, etc, was all from just a year ago, so
it's still pretty fresh. My memory about some OLTL stuff is extremely
good...especially some long recall stuff....but it's quite spotty elsewhere.
People bring up stuff from even a few years ago and I say, "Oh yeah....now
that you mention it, I vaugely remember that." Or I don't remember it at
all, LOL.
I started watching in 1969, a year after the show debuted, but missed
periods from that point on for different reasons. There are a few people
here, however, who have watched from Day One, and consistently, all the way
through. These are our Extreme Experts, and I bow to them. <g>
Btw, I believe the title of unofficial historian would go to Linda
Martindale. She actually keeps a history book on OLTL (and the other ABC
soaps, IINM) and has co-written a book on soaps, which is due out
sometime....I hope soon.
Anyway, glad I could help. Keep posting, and feel free to ask for fill ins
whenever you need.
Natasha (retired Goddess)
Stephanie Struby
Anyone think it could be one of the other blondes on the show who haven't
been tested? Such as Kelly, Vicki (or one of alters), or someone else?
But, the way Bo acted today, I think it's one of the ones that were tested.
On a side note, I was so disappointed that Colin's shirt stayed on during
his "dead man" scenes. I'm one of the few that hopes he has a twin brother
who comes back. I know that's a tired plot, but he's such a fine looking
man. (IMHO)
-Stephanie
Patt B.
<snip a lot of hard thought :) >
> SAM believes that Nora killed Colin, and is keeping quiet to protect her,
> hence his certainty that Colin was dead long before the body was found.
> RJ knows that Colin is dead. He moved the body so that Colin would not be
> found and the letters would remain unopened.
I think that RJ hid the body, but not for the letters. I think he hid
the body for NORA. RJ's always had a soft spot in his heart for Nora --
look how distraught he was when he figured out what Lindsay did with the
memory drug! Nora did it, Sam knows, and RJ covered it up.
What do I win if I get it right? <vbg> Patt.
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The Soapy Astrologer
>
> >NORA is the killer, but doesn't know it.
>
> I do agree with this. Next to Lanie she's been my prime suspect, and now that
> the focus is pretty much all Lanie (and Lindsey/Jen, but I'm confident neither
> of them did it) , Nora's looking better all the time. I
I really believe that Lila from GH killed Colin.
IOW, who gives a crap anymore!
The Soapy Astrologer
Taryn
I'm printing this out right now. After having read your theory, Suzanne,
I've changed my mind about who the killer is!
Goodness... I'm an Agatha Christie fan, and you'd have done her proud
with your theory! :)
Taryn
Taryn
>
> >NORA is the killer, but doesn't know it.
>
> I do agree with this. Next to Lanie she's been my prime suspect, and now that
> the focus is pretty much all Lanie (and Lindsey/Jen, but I'm confident neither
> of them did it) , Nora's looking better all the time. I was always curious
> about her lying half-in, half-out of the bedroom door 'one hour later,' and
> immediately pegged her as a potential culprit. I agree that she doesn't know,
> and will get off easily.
>
OK, if Nora is the murderer (murderess?), what would her murder weapon
be? I don't think we can rely on the LPD's Forensics/Coroner's
department... they seem to take their sweet time getting back test
results (if they're even accurate).
Do you think Nora syringe'd Colin to death? What would her murder
weapon have been, given that she didn't a) plan to kill him before she
arrived at his house; and b) was in a quasi-deluded state.
I'm not saying that Nora didn't kill Colin, but I'm just speculating
about what the possible murder weapon could've been.
Taryn
mary b
<slbw...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> in article 9d7c0t$q00$1...@bob.news.rcn.net, Natasha at star...@enteract.com
> wrote on 5/7/01 4:54 PM:
>
> >
> > Kim wrote:
> >> Melanie just looks too guitly so she's probably a red herring.
> >> JMO.
> >
> >
> > I was thinking that, too, but then I have to ask a question: if she didn't
> > do anything, why is she so guilty?
>
> Well, it could be that Melanie *thinks* she killed Colin, but it will turn
> out that she actually didn't.
I think there's a heap of people who think someone near and dear to them
did the deed and are trying to cover up for them:
I think Will believes Jen done it.
I thought Jen thinks Sam done it - not so sure anymore.
I think Lindsay thinks Jen done it.
I think The Fern (Melanie - a perfect match for the Ficus) thinks Lindsay
did it.
I think Sam either thinks Nora done it or in fact he himself done it -
undecided.
Mary
mary b
<star...@enteract.com> wrote:
> Kim wrote:
>
> >I just started watching OLTL again in February after not being able to in a
> >while. How the heck did Melanie and Bo get together? And WHY?
>
> Why? Rumor has it that Robert S. Woods wanted makeout scenes w/ a cute
> blonde, at least 25 years younger than him and who looks great in a bikini,
> so the concept of Melanie MacIver was born. I'm only being slightly
> sarcastic.
When you consider the aberration that was Nora, Bo's women have
gotten progressively younger, and so, no, I wouldn't be at all
surprised if something very like that is or was in his contract at
some point.
Mary
mary b
"Stephanie Struby" <steph...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> A weird thought:
>
> Anyone think it could be one of the other blondes on the show who haven't
> been tested? Such as Kelly, Vicki (or one of alters), or someone else?
>
> But, the way Bo acted today, I think it's one of the ones that were tested.
New Sam has some blonde :)
Mary
jasey brite
>about what the possible murder weapon could've been.
>
She could've pushed him down the stairs or some such or bludgeoned him
with...uh...something. :) Also, Nora being responsible adds a whole new angle
to why R.J. would take the body.
jasey brite
Don't forget Lindsey. Although I've done my very best to forget about
Bo/Lindsey (Bindsey?) myself.
Natasha
jasey brite wrote:
someone wrote (and asked an excellent question, too, when she did):
>>I'm not saying that Nora didn't kill Colin, but I'm just speculating
>>about what the possible murder weapon could've been.
>She could've pushed him down the stairs or some such or bludgeoned him
>with...uh...something. :) Also, Nora being responsible adds a whole new
angle
>to why R.J. would take the body.
>!jase!
I still wonder why so many people think Sam or RJ or anyone would feel
compelled to cover up Nora's "crime" if they concluded she "murdered" Colin.
There isn't anyone in his/her right mind that would think Nora was not in
the least bit justified in offing Colin, if that's how she had to protect
herself. The psychopath had her drugged upstairs in his bedroom and had
plans to rape her and abduct her out of the country (or the area anyway).
Even RJ, as anti-police as he is, couldn't think for a moment his brother
Hank, Nora's ex, would bring charges against her in such a murder. It's
clear-cut self-defense if there ever was an example.
I still say Nora could've injected Colin w/ whatever it was he had in that
syringe and left by the bed. But I doubt it would've killed him, because he
was going to use whatever it was on Nora, and we know he didn't want her
dead. Unless there was an air bubble in the syringe, maybe, I don't see how
the drug would've killed him. As for Nora bludgeoning him, I say like that's
so likely. She was so drug she couldn't even sit up or get away, and even in
her best, most fit state, I'd say she's little match against Colin in a
physical confrontation.
I do, however, think the stair-pushing thing is a real possibility. But
this, I believe, would be more likely to be accomplished by Lanie. She was
not drugged when she confronted Colin and stood a better chance against
knocking him hard enough to shove him down the stairs so that she'd knock
him, and maybe assume he was dead. I think it has to be something like this,
because I just don't see Colin letting Lanie leave the house w/ what she
knew, if he'd been able to stop her. And we now know for sure she was there
and that blonde hairs are under Colin's nails, which suggests a hard fight
w/ a blonde.
When are we going to get a friggin' report from the coroner as to cause of
death??? It's been more than long enough and this will provide a lot of info
as to what happened. I'm so impatient w/ all the stalling. I'm also
irritated w/ the dragged out business of ID on the hairs. Bo is sure acting
like the hairs are Melanie's. I can't see him looking that hang dog if the
hairs were Lindsay's or Jen's. But if they are Lanie's, how did he know she
was going to the art gallery? Even Lindsay was surprised to see her. But it
was the first place he thought to look.
<boo, hiss>
Natasha
Suzanne Dallapè
"Taryn" <taryn...@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> I'm printing this out right now. After having read your theory, Suzanne,
> I've changed my mind about who the killer is!
Thanks for your confidence! But you must make two changes to the list.
One, Jasey pointed out, and I agree, that RJ would be more likely to hide
the body for Nora's sake, not because of the letters. I wouldn't even be
surprised if it turns out that he had actual contact with Nora in her
drugged state. He is very fond of Nora, and he wasn't too afraid of those
letters. Two, I forgot to give any explanation as to why Melanie would have
been so freaked out on the night of the murder. We know that she did not
kill Colin, since she was the "You?" who interrupted Colin's little romantic
evening, and Will beat Colin up AFTER that. Also, Melanie showed genuine
shock when she heard that Colin was dead--not the reaction of someone who
KNEW he was dead. So Melanie did not kill him. But she "confessed" to
killing him today, so I believe she knows something that rattled her very
much, and she is now covering up for that person. Theories are welcome on
this. Perhaps she had tried to help Nora escape (remember, she told Bo that
Nora was at Colin's house, so this much she knew), and something went wrong,
and Melanie escaped. Did she try to help Nora out of bed, and when a raving
Colin tried to stop her, she hit him hard enough to render him immobile,
then ran for help? (And then, when Melanie learned that Colin was dead, she
assumed Nora was the killer and wishes to protect her?) Any other ideas?
> Goodness... I'm an Agatha Christie fan, and you'd have done her proud
> with your theory! :)
My Christie-lovin' mom (Bville, AKA Xan) would be happy to hear you say
that!
--S. (Who played Mollie Ralston in Christie's "The Mousetrap" next to Xan's
Mrs. Boyle in a local theatre production that otherwise sucked big rubber
donkey lungs.)
Taryn
>
> jasey brite wrote:
>
> someone wrote (and asked an excellent question, too, when she did):
> >>I'm not saying that Nora didn't kill Colin, but I'm just speculating
> >>about what the possible murder weapon could've been.
>
> >She could've pushed him down the stairs or some such or bludgeoned him
> >with...uh...something. :) Also, Nora being responsible adds a whole new
> angle
> >to why R.J. would take the body.
> >!jase!
>
> I still wonder why so many people think Sam or RJ or anyone would feel
> compelled to cover up Nora's "crime" if they concluded she "murdered" Colin.
I think RJ would cover it up, but that Sam would not. You know how Sam
(or the Old Sam, anyway-- I have a hard time taking this new Sam
seriously, but that's a whole other discussion... he looks like he
should be playing the role of Lucky's father on GH) would always go on
and on about him being "an officer of the court" and all... I just don't
see Sam flinching from that, even for Nora. He'd want to help and
protect her, but I don't think he would let someone else take the rap
for murder if he suspected that Nora killed Colin.
RJ, though would be a different matter. It's true, RJ has always had
feelings for Nora, and I think he WOULD help cover up a crime, if he
thought it would keep Nora from doing time.
> There isn't anyone in his/her right mind that would think Nora was not in
> the least bit justified in offing Colin, if that's how she had to protect
> herself. The psychopath had her drugged upstairs in his bedroom and had
> plans to rape her and abduct her out of the country (or the area anyway).
> Even RJ, as anti-police as he is, couldn't think for a moment his brother
> Hank, Nora's ex, would bring charges against her in such a murder. It's
> clear-cut self-defense if there ever was an example.
True, but maybe they subscribe to the whole "Nora's been through so much
this past year" theory, and didn't want her to go through another
ordeal? I mean think about it. She can't remember the past few years,
can't remember that night when Colin died... there'd be no proof. It
would only be RJ's or Sam's testimony that he found Nora atop the stairs
and Colin dead at the foot of the stairs, but they could only infer at
that point that Nora killed him... unless they walked in on her actually
doing the deed.
Think of it this way: if Nora can't remember doing it, and no one saw
her kill Colin, has a crime been committed? (Kind of like, if a tree
falls in a forest and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?)
:)
> I still say Nora could've injected Colin w/ whatever it was he had in that
> syringe and left by the bed. But I doubt it would've killed him, because he
> was going to use whatever it was on Nora, and we know he didn't want her
> dead. Unless there was an air bubble in the syringe, maybe, I don't see how
> the drug would've killed him. As for Nora bludgeoning him, I say like that's
> so likely. She was so drug she couldn't even sit up or get away, and even in
> her best, most fit state, I'd say she's little match against Colin in a
> physical confrontation.
True. I'm just confused, now. I still can't believe how late in the
game the cause of death is... Until we know that, we'll never be able to
whittle down the list of possible suspects. I mean, if it comes back
that Colin was shot or stabbed or something, that obviously eliminates
Nora. But until we know that critical information, we're missing a big
piece of the puzzle!
> I do, however, think the stair-pushing thing is a real possibility. But
> this, I believe, would be more likely to be accomplished by Lanie. She was
> not drugged when she confronted Colin and stood a better chance against
> knocking him hard enough to shove him down the stairs so that she'd knock
> him, and maybe assume he was dead. I think it has to be something like this,
> because I just don't see Colin letting Lanie leave the house w/ what she
> knew, if he'd been able to stop her. And we now know for sure she was there
> and that blonde hairs are under Colin's nails, which suggests a hard fight
> w/ a blonde.
OHH, I get it. Lanie and Colin fuss in the living room... Lanie says
"Nora's here in this house, isn't she?" And Colin says something like
"Well what if she is? We belong together, yadda yadda yadda." The Lanie
catches Colin by surprise and knocks him out. She then ascends the
stairs to try and rescue Nora (or at least make sure she's OK). Colin,
however, regains consciousness and bounds up the stairs after Lanie.
They have a confrontation, but at this point Nora is so drugged up that
she doesn't remember anything. Colin threatens Lanie, and they edge
closer to the stairs. Finally, Lanie and Colin are on the top of the
stairs, Colin taunts Lanie about Bo, her father, anything he can think
of... They exchange a look... Colin says "You wouldn't dare" and,
without thinking, Lanie pushes her ex-hubby down the stairs. At this
point, she thinks he's merely unconscious (maybe some sort of head
trauma, but alive)... checks his pulse and he's still living. Lanie
then flees the scene, never to tell a soul about her run-in with Colin
(figuring it wouldn't be an issue, since he was still alive). Then....
hm. Well, now I've backed myself into a corner here. If Colin is still
alive and Lanie and Will have already come by, maybe then Jen does come
by to see Colin. She sees him at the foot of the stairs and figures he's
dead. Just as she's leaning over him, he opens his eyes and grabs her.
She freaks out and smothers him with a pillow, or finds some other way
to snuff him out.
ahh... i don't know anymore. My brain is tired! I'll just have to tune
in tomorrow to see how this all plays out. :)
> When are we going to get a friggin' report from the coroner as to cause of
> death??? It's been more than long enough and this will provide a lot of info
> as to what happened. I'm so impatient w/ all the stalling.
Amen, sister. This long of a wait is ridiculous.
> I'm also
> irritated w/ the dragged out business of ID on the hairs. Bo is sure acting
> like the hairs are Melanie's. I can't see him looking that hang dog if the
> hairs were Lindsay's or Jen's. But if they are Lanie's, how did he know she
> was going to the art gallery? Even Lindsay was surprised to see her. But it
> was the first place he thought to look.
You didn't know about Bo's psychic powers? :)
Taryn
MrnLibn
>>
>> jasey brite wrote:
>>
>> someone wrote (and asked an excellent question, too, when she did):
>> >>I'm not saying that Nora didn't kill Colin, but I'm just speculating
>> >>about what the possible murder weapon could've been.
I don't really know who wrote what, but hope at least I got part of the
accreditation right. But have they ever said on the show how or why Colin
died? They sent him for an autopsy, but I don't remember ever hearing any
results. Did I miss it, or have they not said yet?
Patricia Ryan
FGC-Carly, Honorary Adoptive Grandma
proud net.mom to the incredible Michelle Debra :-)
You have every right to express your opinions; that doesn't mean I want to hear
them.
[remove b from address]
Natasha
MrnLibn wrote:
>>> someone wrote (and asked an excellent question, too, when she did):
>>> >>I'm not saying that Nora didn't kill Colin, but I'm just speculating
>>> >>about what the possible murder weapon could've been.
>I don't really know who wrote what, but hope at least I got part of the
>accreditation right. But have they ever said on the show how or why Colin
>died? They sent him for an autopsy, but I don't remember ever hearing any
>results. Did I miss it, or have they not said yet?
>Patricia Ryan
They didn't say before today. They do say in today's ep. Finally!!!
But there's still a lot more to find out.
Natasha
Bville
"Suzanne Dallapč" wrote:
>
>First Taryn wrote:
> > Goodness... I'm an Agatha Christie fan, and you'd have done her proud
> > with your theory! :)
Then Suzanne Dallape wrote:
> My Christie-lovin' mom (Bville, AKA Xan) would be happy to hear you say
> that!
Thanks, Suz! And, yes, you are a credit to both me and Dame Aggie! I
didn't raise no dummies...
> --S. (Who played Mollie Ralston in Christie's "The Mousetrap" next to Xan's
> Mrs. Boyle in a local theatre production that otherwise sucked big rubber
> donkey lungs.)
Please!! Don't remind me!
Xan (Suzanne's Mum)
MrnLibn
>>died? They sent him for an autopsy, but I don't remember ever hearing any
>>results. Did I miss it, or have they not said yet?
>>Patricia Ryan
>
>They didn't say before today. They do say in today's ep. Finally!!!
>
>But there's still a lot more to find out.
>
>Natasha
>
Thanks! I look forward to seeing it.
Bville
"Suzanne Dallapč" wrote:
>
>
>
> My Christie-lovin' mom (Bville, AKA Xan) would be happy to hear you say
> that!
Thanx, Suz. And you certainly do me and Aggie proud. I didn't raise no
dummies!
> --S. (Who played Mollie Ralston in Christie's "The Mousetrap" next to Xan's
> Mrs. Boyle in a local theatre production that otherwise sucked big rubber
> donkey lungs.)
Don't remind me!!
Xan
Nancy
at the house and thought Nora had killed him. I also think Sam would
have covered if he got there and found either one of his children with a
dead Colin.