OLTL: Question about Kale Browne (Sam)
Edna
article also said that the part of Sam will be recast. My question is
WHY? What do TPTB dislike about Kale Browne?
I admit I was one of the fans annoyed when the Rappadavidsons came to
town, but Kale has done a very good job in his portrayal of Sam.
Is everything in soapland all about the politics of behind the scene
maneuvering of who you know
and what they want from you?
I can accept (but not understand) their firing of Kale, but why must
we have a new Sam????
Edna
Sansing
see them get rid of Max and Blair.
deana
chica...@nowhere.com
I have absolutely NO backstage, or *inside* info access; but when I read
that the role would be recast... I wondered if KB refused to do what
Woods did, for the sake of his job? Or if he just wasn't pretty, young,
or *whatever*... enough, for TPTB and the new ABC *romance* direction?
To clarify, I am NOT saying Woods was forced to do anything, it could
have been a purely personal decision as far as I know. I am just saying
I wonder IF KB was approached, or he just didn't fit someone's ideal of
Nora's lover period? [Personally I thought Bo and Nora both looked fine
before their enhancements.] :-/
bjw
Seth J. Bookey
>bjw
Was there ever a suggestion that Woods get a facelift or leave the show!?
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Claudia
past year or so. It seems to me that TPTB are throwing the baby out with
the bath water. They don't need a new actor, they someone new writing for
the RappaDavidson clan!
Claudia
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Starword
Claudia wrote:
>I like Kale Brown, but the writing for Sam has been pretty lacklustre this
>past year or so. It seems to me that TPTB are throwing the baby out with
>the bath water. They don't need a new actor, they someone new writing for
>the RappaDavidson clan!
I have to agree. I don't see why a different actor is needed, unless it's
KB's decision to walk. But if they're getting rid of him to make way for a
new Sam, then I don't get it either. There's nothing wrong w/ him in the
role...it's that he needs something interesting to do, which he hasn't had
since Nora was missing.
If the report is right, and it was not KB's decision to leave AND the part
really is being recast (those reports are not always right, either), then I
can only conclude it must be some behind-the-scenes bad blood between KB and
management. What, I don't know...but it has to be something.
Kevin I can see recasting. Ben could benefit from a recast. But the trouble
w/ Sam is not w/ KB.
Natasha
Irishpig13
>really is being recast (those reports are not always right, either), then I
>can only conclude it must be some behind-the-scenes bad blood between KB and
>management. What, I don't know...but it has to be something.
>
>Kevin I can see recasting. Ben could benefit from a recast. But the trouble
>w/ Sam is not w/ KB.
>
>Natasha
With Kale and Tim Gibbs both leaving, and I've read reports that leaving was
not entirely Tims idea, could this be some kind of Jilly backlash...cleaning
house of the FOJ's?
Susan..your friendly lurker
Starword
Irishpig13 wrote:
>With Kale and Tim Gibbs both leaving, and I've read reports that leaving
was
That's what people here are saying, too. Doesn't sound like there's too much
doubt about it.
>could this be some kind of Jilly backlash...cleaning
>house of the FOJ's?
>Susan..your friendly lurker
I think that easily could be it, Susan. Who can say for sure? There's
obviously some behind-the-scenes issues going on we don't know about. Unless
we were privy to what's really happening there, all we can do is speculate,
and one's guess is as good as another.
I've been wondering about something: w/ all the many complaints people on
RATSA have expressed about the Kevin recast, the disgust w/ the change in
direction of Sam and the resentment of the infestation of the RappaDavidsons
and their takeover, I would imagine the views expressed here are just a
small subset of how other viewers not voicing their opinions here are
feeling. Which means, this viewpoint may very well be showing up in letters
to the studio and in polls taken by the studio's or network's marketing
people (not sure who runs that).
If that's the case, when Gary Tomlin came on board, network execs (i.e.,
people in the daytime programming dept., etc) very well may have had some
high-powered strategic planning meetings w/ GT and the current writing team
(absent McT) to talk about big time cleaning up of Jill's mess and a whole
overhaul of the Llanview scene...which may account for the KB and TG
departure, as well as rumblings of other departures to come.
I have no inside info on this at all....I'm merely speculating based on
outward clues and recent events. Who knows what the truth really is? I do
think, however, that some scenario close to the one I've just outlined is
very likely.
Natasha
chica...@nowhere.com
> chica...@nowhere.com writes:
> >Edna wrote:
> >> I can accept (but not understand) their firing of Kale, but why must
> >> we have a new Sam????
>
> >or *whatever*... enough, for TPTB and the new ABC *romance* direction?
>
> >To clarify, I am NOT saying Woods was forced to do anything, it could
> >have been a purely personal decision as far as I know. I am just saying
> >I wonder IF KB was approached, or he just didn't fit someone's ideal of
> >Nora's lover period?
>
Heavens no, not that I know of! I shouldn't have included a comment about
RW in this question about Sam. Whatever changes RW had done, for whatever
reason, just happened to coincide with Lanie's arrival; and made me wonder
if the new regime can't picture KB and HBS as "romantic".
I've read the other posts this morning, and they make a good case for just
the usual clean sweep... it's my show now. :-/ Sorry, certainly didn't
mean to imply RW's job was EVER in jeopardy... OR he was forced to do
anything. I am just a "spectator". :)
bjw
kaci
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> > >Edna wrote:
> > >To clarify, I am NOT saying Woods was forced to do
anything, it could
> > >have been a purely personal decision as far as I know.
I am just saying
> > >I wonder IF KB was approached, or he just didn't fit
someone's ideal of
> > >Nora's lover period?
> >
> > Was there ever a suggestion that Woods get a facelift or
leave the show!?
>
> Heavens no, not that I know of! I shouldn't have included
a comment about
> RW in this question about Sam. Whatever changes RW had
done, for whatever
> reason, just happened to coincide with Lanie's arrival;
and made me wonder
> if the new regime can't picture KB and HBS as "romantic".
I would think Robert Woods could take legal action if he was
given that sort of ultimatum. That sounds mighty unethical
to me. No, he got a facelift because he wanted it; he was
looking a little jowly, and while I think he needn't have
bothered-- all it did was remove some of the character from
his face-- I can understand why *he* might feel
uncomfortable playing a love interest to someone 15-20 years
older than, and looking it.
kaci
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Starword
kaci wrote:
>> "Seth J. Bookey" wrote:
>> > Was there ever a suggestion that Woods get a facelift or
>leave the show!?
bjw wrote:
>> Heavens no, not that I know of! I shouldn't have included
>a comment about
>> RW in this question about Sam. Whatever changes RW had
>done, for whatever
>> reason, just happened to coincide with Lanie's arrival;
>and made me wonder
>> if the new regime can't picture KB and HBS as "romantic".
>I would think Robert Woods could take legal action if he was
>given that sort of ultimatum. That sounds mighty unethical
>to me. No, he got a facelift because he wanted it; he was
>looking a little jowly, and while I think he needn't have
>bothered-- all it did was remove some of the character from
>his face-- I can understand why *he* might feel
>uncomfortable playing a love interest to someone 15-20 years
>older than, and looking it.
>kaci
I'm not sure if it's just the color tuner on my set, but since his face
work, his complexion has appeared a really odd color to me. Has anyone else
noticed this? Someone posted a couple of weeks ago about Colin's chest being
a kind of salmony color...well, that's sort of how Woods' face looks to me.
Sort of like makeup to imitate a tan but misses the mark a good bit. He's
almost a little orange. I don't know why face work would change a person's
skin tone, but I don't notice anyone else w/ a complexion like this, which
leads me to believe it's a product of the cosmetic surgery and not a
malfunction of my set's color.
Or could it be extra makeup to hide scars until they fade? Anyone?
Natasha
DonnaB
<98b1l4$qia$1...@panix2.panix.com> seth...@panix.com (Seth J. Bookey)
wrote:
>>I have absolutely NO backstage, or *inside* info access; but when I read
>>that the role would be recast... I wondered if KB refused to do what
>>Woods did, for the sake of his job? Or if he just wasn't pretty, young,
>>or *whatever*... enough, for TPTB and the new ABC *romance* direction?
>
>>To clarify, I am NOT saying Woods was forced to do anything, it could
>>have been a purely personal decision as far as I know. I am just saying
>>I wonder IF KB was approached, or he just didn't fit someone's ideal of
>>Nora's lover period? [Personally I thought Bo and Nora both looked fine
>>before their enhancements.] :-/
>
>>bjw
>
>Was there ever a suggestion that Woods get a facelift or leave the show!?
No, but there was fan speculation that it was pushed on him.
Personally I think it was an overreaction to discussion that in
general there's that kind of pressure in the biz & that it seemed to
be going around with the cast of a certain age in Llanview.
I was completely unphased that they weren't asking Kale to stay
*until* I read that they planned to recast. Then, I was floored.
--
DonnaB http://www.delphi.com/soapopera
"Age is strictly a case of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it
doesn't matter." - Jack Benny
jasey brite
>*until* I read that they planned to recast. Then, I was floored.
I still don't see it happening. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have a gut feeling that
the new PTB at OLTL know extraneous when they see it. I think (and think it's
for the best) that Sam's gone.
!jase!
"You are strange and off-putting." -- "Buffy The Vampire Slayer," 9/26/00
it spins us a-r-o-u-n-d
"Take that, Space Coyote!" -- homer j.
Where's the creep that turned me into a spider-eating manbitch?!
Starword
jasey brite wrote:
Donna wrote:
>>I was completely unphased that they weren't asking Kale to stay
>>*until* I read that they planned to recast. Then, I was floored.
>I still don't see it happening. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have a gut feeling
that
>the new PTB at OLTL know extraneous when they see it. I think (and think
it's
>for the best) that Sam's gone.
>!jase!
I'm w/ you, jase. I don't know if that bit about the recast is confirmed,
but there is bad info out there. I've seen plenty of it. I know KB leaving
is confirmed, but the recast thing could be just a rumor. I don't see a
recast...it just makes no sense. Extraneous sure does seem to be the word.
But I guess we'll see.
Natasha
chica...@nowhere.com
> jasey brite wrote:
> Donna wrote:
> >>I was completely unphased that they weren't asking Kale to stay
> >>*until* I read that they planned to recast. Then, I was floored.
>
>
> I'm w/ you, jase. I don't know if that bit about the recast is confirmed,
> but there is bad info out there. I've seen plenty of it. I know KB leaving
> is confirmed, but the recast thing could be just a rumor. I don't see a
> recast...it just makes no sense. Extraneous sure does seem to be the word.
The SOD late-breaking news section of 3/13 (not so late now), says "several
names have been bandied about for a recast"... whatever that means. Among
them Randolph Mantooth, Dennis Parlato, John Martin, and Gregg Marx.[Sorry
if this has already been posted.]
Since I am a new subscriber to SOD, can anyone tell me, is that a *hint*, or
just *pure* speculation??? They DON'T say Sam _will_ be re-cast or anything
else... except KB is nearly out the door[and the above].
I don't understand a recast either. Anybody have any comments about those
names being "bandied about"?
bjw
chica...@nowhere.com
> >I would think Robert Woods could take legal action if he was
> >given that sort of ultimatum. That sounds mighty unethical
> >to me. No, he got a facelift because he wanted it; he was
> >looking a little jowly, and while I think he needn't have
> >bothered-- all it did was remove some of the character from
> >his face-- I can understand why *he* might feel
> >uncomfortable playing a love interest to someone 15-20 years
> >older than, and looking it.
> >kaci
>
> I'm not sure if it's just the color tuner on my set, but since his face
> work, his complexion has appeared a really odd color to me. Has anyone else
> noticed this? Someone posted a couple of weeks ago about Colin's chest being
> a kind of salmony color...well, that's sort of how Woods' face looks to me.
> Sort of like makeup to imitate a tan but misses the mark a good bit. He's
> almost a little orange.
I've noticed it occasionally; and thought it might be my TV reception, or
the makeup for the day... because it wasn't always noticeable to me. But
the look you describe is what I've seen too.
> I don't know why face work would change a person's
> skin tone, but I don't notice anyone else w/ a complexion like this, which
> leads me to believe it's a product of the cosmetic surgery and not a
> malfunction of my set's color.
>
> Or could it be extra makeup to hide scars until they fade? Anyone?
I don't know anything about this stuff, but how long does it take for those
acid peels or dermabrasion to heal[if he had anything like that done]? Any
experts here? :)
bjw
Starword
chica...@nowhere.com wrote:
>Starword wrote:
>> I'm w/ you, jase. I don't know if that bit about the recast is confirmed,
>> but there is bad info out there. I've seen plenty of it. I know KB
leaving
>> is confirmed, but the recast thing could be just a rumor. I don't see a
>> recast...it just makes no sense. Extraneous sure does seem to be the
word.
>The SOD late-breaking news section of 3/13 (not so late now), says "several
>names have been bandied about for a recast"... whatever that means. Among
>them Randolph Mantooth, Dennis Parlato, John Martin, and Gregg Marx.[Sorry
>if this has already been posted.]
Even though SOD is talking about a recast, I still say it might not happen.
They're not always right about everything. But I guess it could happen. I
have to say, though, a recast seems very strange to me.
Natasha
kaci
<chica...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know anything about this stuff, but how long does
it take for those
> acid peels or dermabrasion to heal[if he had anything like
that done]? Any
> experts here? :)
>
skin peels is that they have largely been replaced with
laser techniques. And when not expertly done, they can leave
discoloration or burns. A doctor really has to know what
s/he's doing when working with laser; there have been a lot
of seriously messed up faces due to M.D's. taking a one-day
seminar on laser techniques and then trying out their
"skills" on patients.
But I never thought RW had anything but an old-fashioned
nip-and-tuck, where the skin is pulled taut and scars are
hidden behind the ears or in the scalp. I thought this
because immediately after he came back, his laugh lines
around the eyes were gone and his chin looked like Jay
Leno's; his whole face was swollen. His coloring doesn't
look any different on my TV, though. But then I have my
color settings pretty low, people tend to look like pumpkins
if I adjust too much<g>.
Rthrquiet
>The SOD late-breaking news section of 3/13 (not so late now), says "several
>names have been bandied about for a recast"... whatever that means. Among
>them Randolph Mantooth, Dennis Parlato, John Martin, and Gregg Marx.[Sorry
>if this has already been posted.]
>
Of those: Randolph Mantooth--I do not see what he would bring to Sam that would
be an improvement over Kale Browne's version. Dennis Parlato--wasn't he already
on OLTL? Personally I don't like it when they recycle actors that way: I'm
still shaking my head over Josh Taylor as Roman on DOOL (and I like JT a lot,
just think having him as Roman is beyond weird). John Martin: ditto. Of the
four actors named, I can seem him most easily as Sam and think he'd be the most
interesting to watch with Hillary B. Smith, but he's already been on OLTL in a
prominent role, so, no thank you. Too weird. Gregg Marx: Loved him on ATWT, and
he's worked with HBS, but sorry, I don't see him as Sam. Nuh-uh. No.
I still don't understand why they feel the need to recast Sam. Something is not
fitting here . . . there's either a piece of the puzzle we're not being told
about, or somebody is not telling the truth, or there are no recast plans.
Michael
Dia1962
>I still don't understand why they feel the need to recast Sam. Something is
>not fitting here . . . there's either a piece of the puzzle we're not being
told
>about, or somebody is not telling the truth, or there are no recast plans.
Right you are Michael. Here's the missing piece. KB's costars don't want him
there. I haven't read the SOW yet but I've seen the information below posted
in a few places:
From SOW - Kale Browne speaks out about his departure. ''After three years,
they decided maybe they didn't like my audition tape after all.'' He says the
plug got pulled matter-of-factly. ''Gary Tomlin came knocking on my door last
Friday (Feb 16th) and he just said that ABC is not interested in renewing my
contract.''
The news wasn't a total shock to Browne, who was well aware that some of his
peers resented him due to the front burner status he and his character assumed
in Llanview once he joined the show in 1998. ''But when you're up to your ass
in alligators, it doesn't matter much why you went into the water. Why is
irrelevant. It's done, and it's time to go.''
Cheryl
Rthrquiet
>Right you are Michael. Here's the missing piece. KB's costars don't want him
>there. I haven't read the SOW yet but I've seen the information below posted
>in a few places:
>
>From SOW - Kale Browne speaks out about his departure. ''After three years,
>they decided maybe they didn't like my audition tape after all.'' He says the
>plug got pulled matter-of-factly. ''Gary Tomlin came knocking on my door last
>Friday (Feb 16th) and he just said that ABC is not interested in renewing my
>contract.''
>
>The news wasn't a total shock to Browne, who was well aware that some of his
>peers resented him due to the front burner status he and his character
>assumed
>in Llanview once he joined the show in 1998. ''But when you're up to your ass
>in alligators, it doesn't matter much why you went into the water. Why is
>irrelevant. It's done, and it's time to go.''
>
OK, then I have a few more questions:
(1) Of people who might legitimately resent the air time Browne (and his
Rappaport costarts) have been getting the last three years--that is, people who
used to get air time but no longer do because of the Rappaports--who is left?
Timothy Stickney [RJ] and Nathan Purdee [Hank] leap to mind. Everybody else
either (a) gets plenty of air time or (b) wasn't around pre-Sam anyway. The
ones who might really have a gripe are gone are almost gone (Patricia Mauceri
[Carlotta], Wortham Krimmer [Andrew], Laura Koffman [ex-Cassie], etc.).
(2) Do these people only resent Sam's air time? Not Lindsay's? Not Ben's? Not
Skye's? Not John Sykes'? Not Rosanne's?
Not NuCristian's?
(3) Since when does ABC care how its employees feel anyway?
I don't doubt that there's some genuine resentment over the RappaDavidsons' air
time, but I still think we don't know something--something key--about why this
is happening. I'm wondering if Browne and Hillary B. Smith didn't get along,
maybe? Or Robert Woods didn't get along with him? Those two both seem to have a
lot of clout with the ABC PTB. A second possibility is my favorite suspect
anytime this happens to an actor of a certain age--they want somebody
younger--and if Sam really is recast and the recast actor looks noticeably
younger than Browne, I'll be even more suspicious.
Michael
Tante Joan
>I still don't understand why they feel the need to recast Sam. Something is not
>fitting here . . . there's either a piece of the puzzle we're not being told
>about, or somebody is not telling the truth, or there are no recast plans.
I am sure that Kale Brown will be on GH shortly, playing a lawyer and
possible love interest opposite Nancy Lee Grahn. There's no
conspiracy at OLTL, as far as I know -- just a migration to
Jillsville.
--TJ
[posted and probably emailed to all and sundry, especially Sundry.
Who he? He helps me shave my legs with Occam's Razor.]
Dia1962
(1) Of people who might legitimately resent the air time Browne (and his
Rappaport costarts) have been getting the last three years--that is, people who
used to get air time but no longer do because of the Rappaports--who is
else either (a) gets plenty of air time or (b) wasn't around pre-Sam anyway.
The ones who might really have a gripe are gone are almost gone (Patricia
Mauceri [Carlotta], Wortham Krimmer [Andrew], Laura Koffman [ex-Cassie], etc.).
>
where he discussed the fact that KB and JFP were an item (all of this was
edited out the official transcript but I was there during the actual chat). I
read a recent SOD interview with Linda Dano and John Bolger where they were
questioned about friction on the set with the actors who were FOJ's. Bolger
jokingly pleaded that he had Alzheimer's and said he couldn't detect it and
Dano responded that she loves everybody. Add to that the fact that two of the
biggest FOJs (Gibbs and Browne) were the first to leave, I'd speculate the
favoritism jill showed her friends was indeed a big issue on the set, leaving
some embittered even though Phelps is gone. Also, I've read comments that KB
didn't always know his lines. I do not know this to be true -- and it very well
may not be. Still, from what I've read of Tomlin, he is very disciplined.
(2) Do these people only resent Sam's air time? Not Lindsay's? Not Ben's? Not
Skye's? Not John Sykes'? Not Rosanne's?
Not NuCristian's?>>
LOL, some of those people may be the next to leave. Perhaps what is resented is
KB's reputed relationship with the producer and his demeanor around the set as
the result of it. This is speculation on my part but as you say, there has to
be a reason why there is a recast. Additionally, there seemed to be a lot of
fans who hated how Sam had impregnated Nora. Again, seeing KB in the role is a
constant reminder of that; a recast may allow for better chemistry between
costars, as well. It seemed that Sam and Nora with KB in the role of Sam didn't
click with viewers.
>
>(3) Since when does ABC care how its employees feel anyway?
If it interferes with production and enough actors ban together to rid the set
of someone they dislike, then I could see a new EP deciding to lobby for the
actor's dismissal -- no sweat off his back and perhaps he gets loyalty from key
actors because of it. Everything is political, don't you know?
>I don't doubt that there's some genuine resentment over the RappaDavidsons'
air time, but I still think we don't know something--something key--about why
this is happening. I'm wondering if Browne and Hillary B. Smith didn't get
along,
maybe? Or Robert Woods didn't get along with him? Those two both seem to have
a lot of clout with the ABC PTB. A second possibility is my favorite suspect
anytime this happens to an actor of a certain age--they want somebody
younger--and if Sam really is recast and the recast actor looks noticeably
younger than Browne, I'll be even more suspicious.
The names popping up as possible replacements are close to the same age as
Browne, with the possible exception of Gregg Marx. Also, Browne has said
recently that he is looking to head out West. Perhaps he has another job lined
up with Jill or on Days as the next Bill Horton. One last thing, maybe the new
Sam will cost TPTB less. Tomlin has stated that he plans on bringing back
favorites. He's got to find a way to pay for them.
Cheryl
Starword
Rthrquiet wrote:
>Dia1962) posted:
>>From SOW - Kale Browne speaks out about his departure. ''After three
years,
>>they decided maybe they didn't like my audition tape after all.'' He says
the
>>plug got pulled matter-of-factly. ''Gary Tomlin came knocking on my door
last
>>Friday (Feb 16th) and he just said that ABC is not interested in renewing
my
>>contract.''
>>The news wasn't a total shock to Browne, who was well aware that some of
his
>>peers resented him due to the front burner status he and his character
>>assumed
>>in Llanview once he joined the show in 1998.
>OK, then I have a few more questions:
>(1) Of people who might legitimately resent the air time Browne (and his
>Rappaport costarts) have been getting the last three years--that is, people
who
>used to get air time but no longer do because of the Rappaports--who is
left?
>Timothy Stickney [RJ] and Nathan Purdee [Hank] leap to mind. Everybody else
>either (a) gets plenty of air time or (b) wasn't around pre-Sam anyway. The
>ones who might really have a gripe are gone are almost gone (Patricia
Mauceri
>[Carlotta], Wortham Krimmer [Andrew], Laura Koffman [ex-Cassie], etc.).
>
>(2) Do these people only resent Sam's air time? Not Lindsay's? Not Ben's?
Not
>Skye's? Not John Sykes'? Not Rosanne's?
>Not NuCristian's?
>
>(3) Since when does ABC care how its employees feel anyway?
I have to agree w/ Michael here. The explanation of peer resentment over too
much screen time doesn't make sense. If that were the case, the solution for
that seems obvious enough...and has been apparent enough: reduce the man's
screen time. Michael is right: there are plenty of others who have oodles of
screen time. Aren't they resented, too? The people who have the most to
resent (if they have such feelings), are those who were cut/let go. And if
Sam's part is recast, how will that make more air time for anyone currently
there or anyone they might want to bring back (if they even had such plans)?
Will the New Sam get air time restored to the role? If so, won't his peers
simply transfer their resentment to him? And if they keep him backburner,
why then not keep KB and just keep his air time down?
>I don't doubt that there's some genuine resentment over the RappaDavidsons'
air
>time, but I still think we don't know something--something key--about why
this
>is happening.
I agree. The resentment explanation doesn't hold water. There are many who
are frontburner enough to resent if these professionals are inclined to do
so. I agree something still doesn't add up and that we're not getting the
whole story...unless there is no recast in store (which I still think is
possible).
Natasha
Starword
Dia1962 wrote:
>One last thing, maybe the new
>Sam will cost TPTB less. Tomlin has stated that he plans on bringing back
>favorites. He's got to find a way to pay for them.
>Cheryl
Really? GT has gone on record as saying something about wanting to "bring
back favorites"? Was there any hint of who he had in mind?
Natasha
Tante Joan
>Well, Stickney definitely had a problem with KB as he mentioned in an AOL chat
>where he discussed the fact that KB and JFP were an item (all of this was
>edited out the official transcript but I was there during the actual chat). I
>read a recent SOD interview with Linda Dano and John Bolger where they were
>questioned about friction on the set with the actors who were FOJ's. Bolger
>jokingly pleaded that he had Alzheimer's and said he couldn't detect it and
>Dano responded that she loves everybody. Add to that the fact that two of the
>biggest FOJs (Gibbs and Browne) were the first to leave, I'd speculate the
>favoritism jill showed her friends was indeed a big issue on the set, leaving
>some embittered even though Phelps is gone. Also, I've read comments that KB
>didn't always know his lines. I do not know this to be true -- and it very well
>may not be. Still, from what I've read of Tomlin, he is very disciplined.
>
Kale Brown has a well-documented short-term memory problem. He has
mentioned it in interviews a number of times, and has even speculated
that it may be a legacy from his youthful substance abuse. I can see
how this may have irked cast mates who are letter perfect with their
lines, but considering Phil Carey's almost complete inability to
memorize dialog, KB does fairly well with his disability.
>(2) Do these people only resent Sam's air time? Not Lindsay's? Not Ben's? Not
>Skye's? Not John Sykes'? Not Rosanne's?
>Not NuCristian's?>>
>LOL, some of those people may be the next to leave. Perhaps what is resented is
>KB's reputed relationship with the producer and his demeanor around the set as
>the result of it. This is speculation on my part but as you say, there has to
>be a reason why there is a recast.
And I reiterate my strong suspicion that whatever KB is saying as to
Tomlin's "firing" him, he had already committed to going to GH if Jill
asked him (and even if they are no longer an item, Jill is famous for
employing former CPFs).
> Additionally, there seemed to be a lot of
>fans who hated how Sam had impregnated Nora.
LOL!!! Does anyone else find this hysterically funny? In just what
way do these fans suppose it took place? Upside down? While painted
in zebra stripes? But surely it is the writer who should be blamed,
not the actor whose only crime was to speak the lines. Prior to this
act, which I have always considered the ruination of Nora's character,
not Sam's, Sam was, in my book, a very appealing character. I always
hated the infestation of Rappadavidsons who followed him to Llanview,
but Sam himself was, and to a large part remained, a good guy. Of
late he has been a dumb guy, but never as offensive as his brother,
his ex-wife, his sister, his daughter -- shall I go on? So my problem
is not with Kale Brown, and much as I adore Tim Stickney I think the
problem was not with one FOJH, but with the whole raft of them.
Incidentally, virtually all of the imports from AW were actors I
liked; of them all, only Brown has retained my affection.
>Again, seeing KB in the role is a
>constant reminder of that; a recast may allow for better chemistry between
>costars, as well. It seemed that Sam and Nora with KB in the role of Sam didn't
>click with viewers.
>>
Most viewers would never accept him with Nora because of the erroneous
assumption that it was he who was the obstacle to a Bo-Nora reunion.
He wasn't -- Woodsie and Smith had definite ideas of their own. If Bo
was out of the equation, Smith and Brown had some nice scenes
together, and could have built on more had that damn train wreck
derailed every possible hope for Nora to relate to anymore but Colin
and Will.
When it comes down to it, I'm not concerned about whether Kale Brown
goes. I'm more concerned about all the rest of the clan staying. I
am neutral on Will -- he's attractive and doesn't bump into things
much -- but I have come to detest Ben and truly hate Lindsay and Jen.
I want them long gone, and if it takes the departure of the First Rap
to do it, then let them all follow. Just don't follow him to GH,
please.
-- Tante Joan
CEO, FOC Judge Fitzwater, Carla and Carlo; FOC Bo, His
Fatal Charm, FOC Sam, Monitor of His Amazing Reality [p&e]
DonnaB
<20010312090711...@ng-ma1.aol.com> rthr...@aol.com
(Rthrquiet) wrote:
>(1) Of people who might legitimately resent the air time Browne (and his
>Rappaport costarts) have been getting the last three years--that is, people who
>used to get air time but no longer do because of the Rappaports--who is left?
>Timothy Stickney [RJ] and Nathan Purdee [Hank] leap to mind. Everybody else
>either (a) gets plenty of air time or (b) wasn't around pre-Sam anyway. The
>ones who might really have a gripe are gone are almost gone (Patricia Mauceri
>[Carlotta], Wortham Krimmer [Andrew], Laura Koffman [ex-Cassie], etc.).
>
>(2) Do these people only resent Sam's air time? Not Lindsay's? Not Ben's? Not
>Skye's? Not John Sykes'? Not Rosanne's?
>Not NuCristian's?
>
>(3) Since when does ABC care how its employees feel anyway?
>
>I don't doubt that there's some genuine resentment over the RappaDavidsons' air
>time, but I still think we don't know something--something key--about why this
>is happening. I'm wondering if Browne and Hillary B. Smith didn't get along,
>maybe? Or Robert Woods didn't get along with him? Those two both seem to have a
>lot of clout with the ABC PTB. A second possibility is my favorite suspect
>anytime this happens to an actor of a certain age--they want somebody
>younger--and if Sam really is recast and the recast actor looks noticeably
>younger than Browne, I'll be even more suspicious.
I don't think the SPW item shows any smoking guns or missing pieces,
just Kale, at his best, when he's being classy & taking the high road.
However, rumors for some time in the East have been that that's not
the Kale that has been appearing weekly both on & behind the cameras
of Llanview.
Instead ask if he was or wasn't inconsiderate about his colleagues as
to punctuality. Ask intead if he was or wasn't a PITB about having his
lines down. Point an eyeball at the fact that he was such a good [but
new] friend to Michael E. Knight & Catherine Hickland that they had
him on their sofa when he didn't have a place to live when he was
first hired & wonder why he's not a friend of theirs at all now, if
indeed that is so.
I don't, for one minute, think it's resentment over air time. There
are too many pros there. And, they know well enough that the actor is
not scheduling their own time. Clint Richie was furious about air time
when they tossed him what he considered to be an insulting contract
renewal proposal, so he quit. Hanging around furious would have been
petty & I just don't see that core cast as petty.
I love Kale but not all of us are fun to be around in difficult
situations.
--
DonnaB http://www.delphi.com/soapopera
"Working in television is like making love to a gorilla. You don't
stop when you want to stop; you stop when the gorilla wants to stop."
- David Janssen
kaci
Rthrquiet <rthr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010312090711...@ng-ma1.aol.com...
> I don't doubt that there's some genuine resentment over
the RappaDavidsons' air
> time, but I still think we don't know something--something
key--about why this
> is happening. I'm wondering if Browne and Hillary B. Smith
didn't get along,
> maybe? Or Robert Woods didn't get along with him? Those
two both seem to have a
> lot of clout with the ABC PTB. A second possibility is my
favorite suspect
> anytime this happens to an actor of a certain age--they
want somebody
> younger--and if Sam really is recast and the recast actor
looks noticeably
> younger than Browne, I'll be even more suspicious.
>
it. But like Michael, I still think it begs a few
questions-- which isn't surprising in the case of those soap
mags, that tell enough to be titillating but often leave
more unanswered questions than they started with. Sam has
been back burner for quite some time now; so if costars were
griping about KB's air time, they should be happy because
someone obviously listened.
And unless the rest of the cast gathered forces and
threatened to strike or something equally drastic, which I
doubt because I think we're talking about no more than one
or two people at best-- I cant see TPTB firing a good actor
over what sounds like sour grapes on the part of whoever
is/was complaining.
It's unpleasant to speculate, but maybe KB was so difficult
to deal with and made things unpleasant on the set for
enough people-- including PTB, that they figured keeping him
wasn't worth the trouble. With the information we've been
given, this makes the most sense to me. Browne's age
shouldn't be a minus, he's a middle aged man playing a
middle aged man. I don't know that seniority or popularity
in the case of Bob Woods and Hillary Smith necessarily
translates into clout with ABC; you don't want to get in a
power play with your employer over something like this
because there's a good chance you'd lose.
kaci
kaci
Tante Joan <tant...@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
news:fitpatcl7uvmerkbp...@4ax.com...
> > Additionally, there seemed to be a lot of
> >fans who hated how Sam had impregnated Nora.
>
> LOL!!! Does anyone else find this hysterically funny? In
just what
> way do these fans suppose it took place? Upside down?
While painted
> in zebra stripes?
Replace "how" with "that" and it makes a lot more sense<g>
but I get her meaning.
But surely it is the writer who should be blamed,
> not the actor whose only crime was to speak the lines.
Prior to this
> act, which I have always considered the ruination of
Nora's character,
> not Sam's, Sam was, in my book, a very appealing
character. I always
> hated the infestation of Rappadavidsons who followed him
to Llanview,
> but Sam himself was, and to a large part remained, a good
guy. Of
> late he has been a dumb guy, but never as offensive as his
brother,
> his ex-wife, his sister, his daughter -- shall I go on?
So my problem
> is not with Kale Brown, and much as I adore Tim Stickney I
think the
> problem was not with one FOJH, but with the whole raft of
them.
> Incidentally, virtually all of the imports from AW were
actors I
> liked; of them all, only Brown has retained my affection.
ITA... and this is as good a place as any to reiterate that
*we don't know* that TS has complained about Browne to
brass. If anyone does know this for sure, please speak now
or how's about we put that particular bit of speculation to
rest?
>
>
> >Again, seeing KB in the role is a
> >constant reminder of that; a recast may allow for better
chemistry between
> >costars, as well. It seemed that Sam and Nora with KB in
the role of Sam didn't
> >click with viewers.
And the reason for Sam and Nora the couple not resonating
has to do with the way they were forced upon us, culminating
with the stooopid pregnancy scheme. Nora and Bo were such a
perfect fit, any actor following RW as a love interest for
Nora would have had a tough time. Probably still will, so I
can't blame KB for that either-- lack of chemistry, that is.
>If Bo
> was out of the equation, Smith and Brown had some nice
scenes
> together, and could have built on more had that damn train
wreck
> derailed every possible hope for Nora to relate to anymore
but Colin
> and Will.
Exactly.
> When it comes down to it, I'm not concerned about whether
Kale Brown
> goes. I'm more concerned about all the rest of the clan
staying. I
> am neutral on Will -- he's attractive and doesn't bump
into things
> much -- but I have come to detest Ben and truly hate
Lindsay and Jen.
> I want them long gone, and if it takes the departure of
the First Rap
> to do it, then let them all follow. Just don't follow him
to GH,
> please.
>
Lindsay can stay; true, she's a very unlikeable character,
but among the remaining Rappadavidsons and based on sheer
talent, she's the strongest link in the chain. Jen, Lanie--
they're superfluous to begin with, and that's only pointed
out more by the actresses who play them. And what can I say
about Ben that hasn't already been said<g>?
kaci
chica...@nowhere.com
>
> > Among them Randolph Mantooth, Dennis Parlato, John Martin, and Gregg Marx.
>
> be an improvement over Kale Browne's version. Dennis Parlato--
> wasn't he already on OLTL?
SOD says DP played Michael, on OLTL. Who is/was the character "Michael"?
> Personally I don't like it when they recycle actors that way: I'm
> still shaking my head over Josh Taylor as Roman on DOOL (and I like JT a lot,
> just think having him as Roman is beyond weird). John Martin: ditto.
I'm not even a DOOL fan, but I can see what an adjustment that was. ;) And I
don't have a clue who John Martin is. :) Is there an actor he's comparable to,
that I might know?
> Of the four actors named, I can seem him most easily as Sam and think he'd be
> the most interesting to watch with Hillary B. Smith, but he's already been on
> OLTL in a prominent role, so, no thank you.
I can't relate since I wasn't watching OLTL when Parlato was on; but I agree
that would be an easy transition from KB to DP... IF he has chemistry w/HBS.
> Too weird. Gregg Marx: Loved him on ATWT, and
> he's worked with HBS, but sorry, I don't see him as Sam. Nuh-uh. No.
I know the name, but can't remember him (I have KB's reported memory problem). ;)
> I still don't understand why they feel the need to recast Sam. Something is not
> fitting here . . . there's either a piece of the puzzle we're not being told
> about, or somebody is not telling the truth, or there are no recast plans.
Maybe they need "Sam" to add story for Jen/Lindsay/Will?
bjw
chica...@nowhere.com
>
> > I don't know anything about this stuff, but how long does
> > it take for those acid peels or dermabrasion to heal[if
> > he had anything like that done]? Any experts here? :)
>
> I'm not an expert, but what I know of dermabrasion and acid
> skin peels is that they have largely been replaced with
> laser techniques. And when not expertly done, they can leave
> discoloration or burns.
That sounds like *serious* business, I'm not sure I would
trust anyone enough to do that.
> But I never thought RW had anything but an old-fashioned
> nip-and-tuck, where the skin is pulled taut and scars are
> hidden behind the ears or in the scalp. I thought this
> because immediately after he came back, his laugh lines
> around the eyes were gone and his chin looked like Jay
> Leno's; his whole face was swollen. His coloring doesn't
> look any different on my TV, though. But then I have my
> color settings pretty low, people tend to look like pumpkins
> if I adjust too much<g>.
LOL... that could be my problem. ;) I've been obsessing too
much over his forehead not moving enough to register emotions
before, and noticed a shine that made me wonder. Now I think
those creases and his brows are starting to move again... so
I can get over it. ;-D Thanks for the info, Kaci. :)
bjw
Dia1962
>First, thanks Dia for posting the SOW excerpt;
No problem kaci. Well I saw the SOW issue today. Here's the rest of what KB
says. " ' Whenever you get a new executive producer whose mandate might be to
change the look, change the feel, bring ratings up -- I think you have to be
bold, and sometimes take chances. You take a big chance, and you could win
big, or you might lose big. But you can't blame somebody for taking the
chance. Hindsight is the easiest kind of sight to have. For better or for
worse, you go along for the ride.'
Browne's contract expires this month, and he plans to go west, where he could
turn up on another soap. ' I think it's the best job going -- I still do,' he
says. 'I just think this was one of those situations that had a life of its
own. Three years on the button! That's showbiz.' "
As for your question Natasha re: Tomlin bringing back favs, that information
came from a SOD under a listing called "Late-breaking News." I haven't tossed
the issue yet. It says, "Buzz continues that when One Life to Live's new
executive producer, Gary Tomlin, picks up hiring process, several old, familiar
faces may return to Llanview." I also remember some mention of this from
Carolyn Hinsley in her newspaper column.
Cheryl
Dia1962
>Replace "how" with "that" and it makes a lot more sense<g> but I get her
meaning.
Good. I'm glad you understood the meaning. LOL, I am able to laugh at my
mistakes and this was a humorous one.
>ITA... and this is as good a place as any to reiterate that *we don't know*
that TS has complained about Browne to
brass. If anyone does know this for sure, please speak now or how's about we
put that particular bit of speculation to
rest?
OK by me.
>And the reason for Sam and Nora the couple not resonating has to do with the
way they were forced upon us, culminating
>with the stooopid pregnancy scheme. Nora and Bo were such a perfect fit, any
actor following RW as a love interest for
>Nora would have had a tough time. Probably still will, so I can't blame KB for
that either-- lack of chemistry, that is.
If Bo was out of the equation, Smith and Brown had some nice scenes together,
and could have built on more had that damn train wreck derailed every possible
hope for Nora to relate to anymore
>but Colin and Will.
>
>Exactly.>>
I'm taking a wait and see approach as to the Sam recast, if it even happens. I
do think there are some Bo/Nora fans who don't like RSW or Bo anymore.
>Lindsay can stay; true, she's a very unlikeable character, but among the
remaining Rappadavidsons and based on sheer talent, she's the strongest link in
the chain. Jen, Lanie--they're superfluous to begin with, and that's only
pointed
>out more by the actresses who play them. And what can I say
>about Ben that hasn't already been said<g>?
Jen is the only Rapp I'm interested in seeing for the moment. The rest of them
are irritating to watch. IMHO.
Cheryl
Rthrquiet
>For better or for
>worse, you go along for the ride.'
>Browne's contract expires this month, and he plans to go west, where he could
>turn up on another soap. ' I think it's the best job going -- I still do,'
>he
>says.
Uh-oh. Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) I had read and heard up to this point
had pegged KB as staying East to be near his son. I was skeptical, of course,
with Jilly based on the West Coast, but that was the line I was hearing, and I
had a friend who insisted--vehemently--that Browne's publicist had said he was
staying in NYC and that he would not be moving to the West Coast. Now KB
himself is actually saying he might head West, huh? Well, I guess it's time to
take a poll as to what role he'll be playing on GH: That one comment, for me,
pushes it out of the speculation category and pushes it up to at least a 75%
chance of being true. Kale Browne as Alan Quartermaine, anyone?
Michael
Starword
kaci wrote:
>Tante Joan wrote:
>Prior to this
>> act, which I have always considered the ruination of
>Nora's character,
>> not Sam's, Sam was, in my book, a very appealing
>character.
Sam *was* appealing, but I think helping Nora get pregnant damaged him as
badly or more so than it did Nora. It was totally out of character for him.
Nora could at least have the excuse of being frantic and out of her mind
over Bo hanging so close to death. We could tell ourselves she just wasn't
thinking rationally and jumped into something impulsive and foolhardy. But
what's Sam's excuse?
He had been presented until then as a sensible and sane man...a man of
integrity and principle who was law-abiding and honest...not a man to get
caught up in schemes...and certainly not a man to sanction passing off
another man's baby as his own. He was not frantic about Bo's perilous
health. He had not been up for days on end, terrified and unable to sleep.
He was the one who should have been thinking rationally, who should have
said, "Nora, you're not thinking clearly. What you're suggesting is
ludicrous. Just stay calm until Bo is completely well and then just tell him
the pregnancy was a mistake, or you blurted it out in a moment of panic when
it wasn't true...whatever, but just don't do anything rash or impulsive now
you may regret later for a long time." And he would have stuck to his guns.
That's what a good friend would do....help a friend who was in trouble and
thinking about doing something really stupid that might bring real trouble
into her life to stay calm and not act rashly. Instead, he eventually goes
along w/ the nutso scheme, making it look like he couldn't resist an
opportunity to have a go at Nora.
Then he helped perpetuate the lie, moved in on Nora the moment Bo walked off
in anger, and then kept Lindsay's secret about the fertility test tampering
she did. All of these events totally assassinated Sam's character, and just
made him not very likeable anymore. I sure don't blame Kale Brown for that,
but I can't deny Sam's character wasn't ruined by spinning him this way.
>So my problem
>> is not with Kale Brown, and much as I adore Tim Stickney I
>think the
>> problem was not with one FOJH, but with the whole raft of
>them.
FOJH? Would that be "friend of Jill hater"?
>ITA... and this is as good a place as any to reiterate that
>*we don't know* that TS has complained about Browne to
>brass. If anyone does know this for sure, please speak now
>or how's about we put that particular bit of speculation to
>rest?
I would go along w/ that. I haven't heard anything before this moment
suggesting that TDS complained to TPTB or anyone about KB. Personally, I
find the suggestion quite silly. What evidence is there that TDS has any
clout w/ anyone? I've never had that sense before. Sure, he's had a little
more air time lately, but so what? That hardly proves he's become anyone's
pet.
From everything I've read about TDS, he's a really nice guy, very low key,
not at all demanding, and anything BUT a prima donna. It doesn't make sense
that he would be the kind to throw his weight around, and I find the
suggestion laughable that he has any weight over there to throw around.
>And the reason for Sam and Nora the couple not resonating
>has to do with the way they were forced upon us, culminating
>with the stooopid pregnancy scheme. Nora and Bo were such a
>perfect fit, any actor following RW as a love interest for
>Nora would have had a tough time. Probably still will, so I
>can't blame KB for that either-- lack of chemistry, that is.
I don't even think it's true to say the two didn't have chemistry together.
I think they had quite a bit of chemistry....both are charismatic
performers. But you're right...in the shadow of Nora and Bo as a couple,
nothing else could hold a candle.
>> When it comes down to it, I'm not concerned about whether
>Kale Brown
>> goes. I'm more concerned about all the rest of the clan
>staying.
That's a good point! And what would a recast of Sam do about that anyway?
>>I am neutral on Will -- he's attractive and doesn't bump
>into things
>> much --
LOL! I still like Will and think he has potential. JSS *is* an absolute doll
and I've seen him do some good acting. I think he's gotten an unfair rap by
some fans. If they would just direct him not to stand around slack-jawed so
much, going, "Uuuuhhhhh....yeah!", we might see him w/ more intelligence and
spark than he's shown in a while. He came to Llanview w/ more going for him
than that.
>> but I have come to detest Ben and truly hate
>Lindsay and Jen.
>> I want them long gone
>Lindsay can stay; true, she's a very unlikeable character,
>but among the remaining Rappadavidsons and based on sheer
>talent, she's the strongest link in the chain.
I don't even think CH is all that great talentwise. But Llanview does need a
villain. If they're not going to bring Dorian back, I guess Lindsay serves a
purpose.
>Jen, Lanie--
>they're superfluous to begin with, and that's only pointed
>out more by the actresses who play them.
So true.
>And what can I say
>about Ben that hasn't already been said<g>?
>kaci
LOL! Can't think of a thing! <vbg>
Natasha
Starword
Rthrquiet wrote:
>Dia1962 posted:
>>Browne's contract expires this month, and he plans to go west, where he
could
>>turn up on another soap.
>Uh-oh. Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) I had read and heard up to this
point
>had pegged KB as staying East to be near his son. Now KB
>himself is actually saying he might head West, huh? Well, I guess it's time
to
>take a poll as to what role he'll be playing on GH: That one comment, for
me,
>pushes it out of the speculation category and pushes it up to at least a
75%
>chance of being true. Kale Browne as Alan Quartermaine, anyone?
>Michael
I was thinking the same thing when I read the "moving West" comment....that
a role on GH is now a certainty. I noticed the same guy is playing Alan as
when I was watching, some years ago. I forget now ...is that Stuart Damon? I
always liked him and thought he was great as Alan, even the couple of times
I've tuned in in the last couple of years. Of course, I've noticed he's
become rather rotund, but so what? Why shouldn't there be a few "extra wide"
folks on soaps? Has anyone heard anything about this actor being in poor
standing w/ TPTB or in any threat of being cut? I think it would sure be a
shame to replace the originator of the role, and someone who has played the
part for so many years.
Natasha
DonnaB
<3AAD0F5E...@bellsouth.net> chica...@nowhere.com wrote:
>SOD says DP played Michael, on OLTL. Who is/was the character "Michael"?
Dennis Parlato is most remembered by soap fans as the guy who played
Roger Thorpe on GL when P&G sent him off on Disability Leave.
>I'm not even a DOOL fan, but I can see what an adjustment that was. ;) And I
>don't have a clue who John Martin is. :) Is there an actor he's comparable to,
>that I might know?
I'd like to know who John Martin is, also.
>I know the name, but can't remember him (I have KB's reported memory problem). ;)
Gregg Marx was a David Banning on DOOL, a Tom Hughes on ATWT, someone
wonderful on GH, is now doing audio romance books which often feature
soap actors doing the readings.
--
DonnaB http://www.delphi.com/soapopera
"If you can't say something good about someone, sit right here by me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
DonnaB
<20010312161457...@ng-fz1.aol.com> rthr...@aol.com
(Rthrquiet) wrote:
>Uh-oh. Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) I had read and heard up to this point
>had pegged KB as staying East to be near his son. I was skeptical, of course,
>with Jilly based on the West Coast, but that was the line I was hearing, and I
>had a friend who insisted--vehemently--that Browne's publicist had said he was
>staying in NYC and that he would not be moving to the West Coast. Now KB
>himself is actually saying he might head West, huh? Well, I guess it's time to
>take a poll as to what role he'll be playing on GH: That one comment, for me,
>pushes it out of the speculation category and pushes it up to at least a 75%
>chance of being true. Kale Browne as Alan Quartermaine, anyone?
Thing are in flux for him right now, Michael. He was going to have his
own fan club event in May in NY this year & it's in the process of
being cancelled right now, undone, down to returning money to people
who had made reservations already & so forth.
--
DonnaB http://www.delphi.com/soapopera
"What can we gain by sailing to the moon if we are not able to cross
the abyss that separates us from ourselves? This is the most important
of all voyages of discovery, and without it, all the rest are not only
useless, but disastrous." - Thomas Merton
chica...@nowhere.com
> Rthrquiet wrote:
> >Dia1962 posted:
> >>Browne's contract expires this month, and he plans to go west, where he
> >>could turn up on another soap.
>
> >take a poll as to what role he'll be playing on GH: That one comment, for
> >me, pushes it out of the speculation category and pushes it up to at least
> >a 75% chance of being true. Kale Browne as Alan Quartermaine, anyone?
Michael... I have the greatest urge to wash your mouth out with soap! ;-)
> I was thinking the same thing when I read the "moving West" comment....that
> a role on GH is now a certainty. I noticed the same guy is playing Alan as
> when I was watching, some years ago. I forget now ...is that Stuart Damon? I
> always liked him and thought he was great as Alan, even the couple of times
> I've tuned in in the last couple of years.
Yes, it's Stuart Damon; and he proved in a wonderful drug abuse storyline,
there is no reason for anyone to be messing with SD(and/or Alan). :-/
> Has anyone heard anything about this actor being in poor
> standing w/ TPTB or in any threat of being cut? I think it would sure be a
> shame to replace the originator of the role, and someone who has played the
> part for so many years.
I can't imagine this, but so many are suggesting nothing is sacred, this type
of speculation makes me nervous. Surely... if KB is going to GH, he will get
his *own* role, and not one that would infuriate all the fans.
Shame on you, Michael, for suggesting this! ;-)
bjw
jasey brite
>suggesting that TDS complained to TPTB or anyone about KB.
Not TPTB, actually -- apparently, Tim talked about it in a TVGuide chat, but
then asked a day or so later to have it edited from the transcript.
!jase!
"You are strange and off-putting." -- "Buffy The Vampire Slayer," 9/26/00
it spins us a-r-o-u-n-d
"Take that, Space Coyote!" -- homer j.
Where's the creep that turned me into a spider-eating manbitch?!
Dia1962
>I'd like to know who John Martin is, also.
If I'm remembering correctly, John Martin used to play Jon Russell on OLTL.
He's also played on Sunset Beach. While on OLTL, Jon Russell, at various times,
dated Cassie,Melinda and Dorian. I think that he was a Private Investigator. I
really don't want Dennis Parlato, who used to play Michael Grande on OLTL, or
Martin to be cast as Sam since both have already been on the show in another
role. I'm guessing the new Sam will be Randy Mantooth.
Cheryl
Jayneau
>
> >I still don't understand why they feel the need to recast Sam. Something
is not
> >fitting here . . . there's either a piece of the puzzle we're not being
told
> >about, or somebody is not telling the truth, or there are no recast
plans.
"Tante Joan" <tant...@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
> I am sure that Kale Brown will be on GH shortly, playing a lawyer and
> possible love interest opposite Nancy Lee Grahn. There's no
> conspiracy at OLTL, as far as I know -- just a migration to
> Jillsville.
>
> --TJ
I'm with you, TJ. I don't think there's any big mystery or underlying
skullduggery (sp?) in Kale Brown's leaving. He's just hopping the
Jillsville Express to GH. He and Tim Gibbs are probably getting the "Buy
One, Get One Free" special fare for FOJ's.
Jayne
Lynn Riley
If (as speculated/hinted to) Alan turns out to be Skye's dad, and Kale
is playing Alan by then, it would be rather strange for me, as though
Sam were Skye's dad. However, I don't watch GH anymore. Why is
the longtime actor playing Alan Q. leaving?
LR
Starword
chica...@nowhere.com wrote:
>Starword wrote:
>> a role on GH is now a certainty. I noticed the same guy is playing Alan
as
>> when I was watching, some years ago. I forget now ...is that Stuart
Damon? I
>> always liked him and thought he was great as Alan, even the couple of
times
>> I've tuned in in the last couple of years.
>Yes, it's Stuart Damon; and he proved in a wonderful drug abuse storyline,
>there is no reason for anyone to be messing with SD(and/or Alan). :-/
I'm aware of the storyline. This was during the time I tuned in. On one of
the days I watched, Alan's whole family tracked him to the room of a young
woman in a cheap hotel. I figured out later she was a supplier. When Alan
realized they were all out there about to come in, he hid out on the fire
escape. Lila was waiting in the car and spotted Alan. She alerted everyone
to him being there by blasting the car horn. It was pretty funny.
Then I saw a big blow out he had the next day w/ Alex, when she confronts
him w/ his lying and abuse. What I watched was quite good. I've always
thought he was great. I don't see Alan being recast.
>I can't imagine this, but so many are suggesting nothing is sacred, this
type
>of speculation makes me nervous. Surely... if KB is going to GH, he will
get
>his *own* role, and not one that would infuriate all the fans.
She'll probably give him a new role...unless there's someone vulnerable she
can fire and replace w/ Kale. She likes to do that kind of thing. It's like
a hobby for her.
>Shame on you, Michael, for suggesting this! ;-)
>bjw
<chuckle>
Natasha
Starword
jasey brite wrote:
Natasha wropte:
>>I would go along w/ that. I haven't heard anything before this moment
>>suggesting that TDS complained to TPTB or anyone about KB.
>Not TPTB, actually -- apparently, Tim talked about it in a TVGuide chat,
but
>then asked a day or so later to have it edited from the transcript.
>!jase!
Oh, well...if he only complained about him in chat w/ fans, it means
nothing. That's the kind of thing that would be likely to get Stickney in
trouble....not make any trouble for KB. Just because he complained to fans
doesn't mean he whined to management about anything.
Natasha
jasey brite
>nothing. That's the kind of thing that would be likely to get Stickney in
>trouble....not make any trouble for KB. Just because he complained to fans
>doesn't mean he whined to management about anything.
Oh, I agree. I was just trying to clarify the stuff mentioned about TDS
complaining.
DonnaB
<gAfr6.5682$6p5.5...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Jayneau"
<jayn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I'm with you, TJ. I don't think there's any big mystery or underlying
>skullduggery (sp?) in Kale Brown's leaving. He's just hopping the
>Jillsville Express to GH. He and Tim Gibbs are probably getting the "Buy
>One, Get One Free" special fare for FOJ's.
I don't really follow what you mean here. When OLTL didn't make any
offer to him to re-sign a contract, and in fact told him they weren't
interested in his remaining with the show, you think Gary Tomlin was
just in cahoots somehow with Jill in this way, but, they are keeping
it hush-hush? Being fired's not pleasant even if someone else offers
you a job down the road.
--
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"Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see
it for yourself." - Morpheus THE MATRIX [1999]
DonnaB
<98jjvs$44l$1...@bob.news.rcn.net> "Starword" <star...@enteract.com>
wrote:
>I was thinking the same thing when I read the "moving West" comment....that
>a role on GH is now a certainty. I noticed the same guy is playing Alan as
>when I was watching, some years ago. I forget now ...is that Stuart Damon? I
>always liked him and thought he was great as Alan, even the couple of times
>I've tuned in in the last couple of years. Of course, I've noticed he's
>become rather rotund, but so what? Why shouldn't there be a few "extra wide"
>folks on soaps? Has anyone heard anything about this actor being in poor
>standing w/ TPTB or in any threat of being cut? I think it would sure be a
>shame to replace the originator of the role, and someone who has played the
>part for so many years.
No, Stuart Damon is much beloved.
--
DonnaB http://www.delphi.com/soapopera
"I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door.
You're the one that has to walk through it." - Morpheus THE MATRIX
[1999]
DonnaB
<3AAD8B3D...@austin.rr.com> Lynn Riley <pisc...@austin.rr.com>
wrote:
>If (as speculated/hinted to) Alan turns out to be Skye's dad, and Kale
>is playing Alan by then, it would be rather strange for me, as though
>Sam were Skye's dad. However, I don't watch GH anymore. Why is
>the longtime actor playing Alan Q. leaving?
Stuart Damon is not leaving.
--
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"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
Claudia
news:xM7r6.6080$fw6.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
[snip]
> Lindsay can stay; true, she's a very unlikeable character,
> but among the remaining Rappadavidsons and based on sheer
> talent, she's the strongest link in the chain. Jen, Lanie--
> they're superfluous to begin with, and that's only pointed
> out more by the actresses who play them. And what can I say
> about Ben that hasn't already been said<g>?
ITA, Kaci. All the RappaDavidsons, but for Lindsay, could leave and it
would only improve the show. Lindsay would also become more interesting,
having to deal with the absence or loss of her entire family :-)
Claudia
Patt B.
>
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:48:50 GMT, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc
> <3AAD8B3D...@austin.rr.com> Lynn Riley <pisc...@austin.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >If (as speculated/hinted to) Alan turns out to be Skye's dad, and Kale
> >is playing Alan by then, it would be rather strange for me, as though
> >Sam were Skye's dad. However, I don't watch GH anymore. Why is
> >the longtime actor playing Alan Q. leaving?
>
> Stuart Damon is not leaving.
What she said. Given JFP's propensity for hiring her favorites wherever
she goes, this is all just speculation as to who's going to get the ax
at GH to make room for her "friends." Patt.
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Dia1962
>>nothing. That's the kind of thing that would be likely to get Stickney in
>>trouble....not make any trouble for KB. Just because he complained to fans
>>doesn't mean he whined to management about anything.
>
>Oh, I agree. I was just trying to clarify the stuff mentioned about TDS
>complaining.
>
>!jase!
And to clarify further, my reply was related to Kale Browne saying some of his
peers resented him because of his frontburner status. Later there was a
question from a poster about who would likely complain. I replied with a
mention of Stickney because I remembered his chat. I have no evidence that "he"
took this further to management so I was agreeable to dropping the subject
because of it. Tim obviously regretted the comments after he made them. Jon
Reiner of TV Guide later said Tim requested the comments related to Browne be
taken out of the official transcript. Browne's original comment, however,
makes it clear that the resentment by his fellow actors was somehow evident.
It's anyone's speculation as to whether it was related to his dismissal.
Cheryl
Rthrquiet
>No, Stuart Damon is much beloved.
(Heavy sigh). Point taken, Donna [et al.], but I just have to remember saying
similar things about Robin Strasser. There's unlikely and then there's
impossible, and we'd all do well to remember that *nothing* is impossible where
Jill is concerned.
So far as I know, Stuart Damon isn't going anywhere, but I don't think Jill is
above trying it.
Michael
Rthrquiet
>Lindsay would also become more interesting,
>having to deal with the absence or loss of her entire family :-)
I don't know, Claudia: That would just leave her more time to run around
saying, "It's all Nora's fault." I don't blame Catherine Hickland--I think
Lindsay *was* interesting earlier on in her run--but Megan McTavish has turned
her into this one-note mess. Maybe the writers taking over from Evil McT can
restore Lindsay to the status of credible, interesting character, but it will
be kind of like trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Michael
DonnaB
<20010313080526...@ng-mm1.aol.com> rthr...@aol.com
(Rthrquiet) wrote:
Nor am I saying that she is. The conversations are getting tangled &
twisted. One POV is concern about what Jill will do & how. Another POV
shows up when someone asks if there's any reason to think that
so-and-so has their neck under that axe or wants to go, etc. which is
easy to clarify. Speculation is speculation. And, so far at least,
anything about Stuart Damon or Alan Q is spec only.
--
DonnaB http://www.delphi.com/soapopera
"You should always believe what you read in the newspapers, for that
makes them more interesting." - Rose Macauley
Starword
DonnaB wrote:
>"Jayneau" wrote:
>>I'm with you, TJ. I don't think there's any big mystery or underlying
>>skullduggery (sp?) in Kale Brown's leaving. He's just hopping the
>>Jillsville Express to GH. He and Tim Gibbs are probably getting the "Buy
>>One, Get One Free" special fare for FOJ's.
>I don't really follow what you mean here. When OLTL didn't make any
>offer to him to re-sign a contract, and in fact told him they weren't
>interested in his remaining with the show, you think Gary Tomlin was
>just in cahoots somehow with Jill in this way, but, they are keeping
>it hush-hush? Being fired's not pleasant even if someone else offers
>you a job down the road.
>DonnaB
I guess this is what I was thinking, too. It's been established that KB did
not choose NOT to renew his contract so he could go to GH. It's been
established that he was not asked to sign a new contract and that his
departure is not voluntary. We are not getting the impression that GT is
working w/ JFP to manuever a transition for KB from OLTL to GH. From the
sound of KB's comments, he does not see himself as liked.
But that isn't the mysterious part. It should be no surprise to anyone that
a personality who has become unliked by colleagues and management would get
the boot. But this business about all the screen time he got being the
source of resentment doesn't add up. If that was the case, that could be
remedied easily enough by reducing his screen time, which has been done.
Recasting the role is not going to make more screen time available for
anyone else. And if they're going to keep Sam backburned so as to allow time
for others, then why not keep KB in the role?
It sounds like he's made some enemies and they just want him out. If there's
any truth to these stories that he had a habit of showing up late on the set
and not remembering lines, it makes sense his screen time would be reduced
and that, ultimately, he would be replaced. But then if he's replaced w/
someone capable of handling the demands of the job, won't air time be
restored to Sam? Which means the RappaDavidsons aren't going anywhere.
If GT is serious about wanting to bring back some old faves we haven't seen
in a while, wouldn't it make more sense to write Sam out to make room for
one of these so-called faves he wants to bring back? Unless by bringing back
an old fave he means replacing KB w/ an actor who was on before in another
role, as has been rumored apparently. But then I would say that hardly
counts.
Natasha
Starword
Dia1962 wrote:
>And to clarify further, my reply was related to Kale Browne saying some of
his
>peers resented him because of his frontburner status. Later there was a
>question from a poster about who would likely complain. I replied with a
>mention of Stickney because I remembered his chat. I have no evidence that
"he"
>took this further to management
I understand now. And I don't think that's all that unusual --- for a person
to grumble about someone w/ whom he works who has created problems for that
person or for others on the set --- grumble privately to other colleagues or
to those outside in an informal discussion. I'm sure that TDS regretted
saying what he did after the fact. In addition to being viewed as maybe
unprofessional, I'm sure he took some heat from the studio about it. But of
course, what one says to management is another matter entirely.
I think people blow off workplace stress by grumbling privately about
irritants at work in a setting that's private and feels safe. I think
everyone does it and there's no reason to imagine that people who work in a
studio are all that different from people who work in a conventional
workplace setting.
But did anyone on the cast or crew go to a studio head to complain about KB?
Possibly. Or maybe even a group went together. OTOH, maybe if the problems
were that apparent, no one needed to say anything. If the guy really was
showing up late and blowing lines on a consistent basis, that's the kind of
thing that would wear thin very fast w/ everyone -- management and staff
alike.
>Browne's original comment, however,
>makes it clear that the resentment by his fellow actors was somehow
evident.
>It's anyone's speculation as to whether it was related to his dismissal.
>Cheryl
It certainly sounds that from KB's standpoint, peer resentment was apparent.
But if there's any validity to it or if it really relates to why he was
dropped, you're right...it's all speculation. Probably. we'll never
know...unless something more comes to light in the future.
Natasha
Tante Joan
wrote:
>
>DonnaB wrote:
>
>>"Jayneau" wrote:
>>>I'm with you, TJ. I don't think there's any big mystery or underlying
>>>skullduggery (sp?) in Kale Brown's leaving. He's just hopping the
>>>Jillsville Express to GH. He and Tim Gibbs are probably getting the "Buy
>>>One, Get One Free" special fare for FOJ's.
>
>>I don't really follow what you mean here. When OLTL didn't make any
>>offer to him to re-sign a contract, and in fact told him they weren't
>>interested in his remaining with the show, you think Gary Tomlin was
>>just in cahoots somehow with Jill in this way, but, they are keeping
>>it hush-hush? Being fired's not pleasant even if someone else offers
>>you a job down the road.
>>DonnaB
>
Well, this is looking suspiciously like a game of telephone gone off
the rails. I can't say what's in anyone's mind but mine, so here
goes. I think Kale Brown was let go, not provided with a construct
that allowed him to appear to be fired but concealed a plot to
transport him to GH. Whew! I never meant to imply that Tomlin and
Phelps were in cahoots over this. All I meant was that as soon as
Jill made the move, and her protection was withdrawn from KB on OLTL,
she may have anticipated Tomlin's action by offering Brown a job on
GH. End of story. As for which job, it is -- again -- entirely my own
opinion that he will not be brought on as a recast from Alan
Quartermaine, Sonny Corinthos or any other existing character. I
believe that he will be a lawyer or a politician, and that he will
work with NLG. For all I know, he could be a lawyer named Sam
Rappaport. This is my own personal scenario, and I'll be the first,
or possibly the second, to say "Ooops!" if it turns out to be horribly
wrong.
TJ
Rthrquiet
>Nor am I saying that she is. The conversations are getting tangled &
>twisted.
OK, I see. Then just to clarify: I don't have any reason to think Jill is
plotting to replace Stuart Damon with Kale Browne. I do think she's foolish
enough to try a stunt like that ("The audience will *love* the new direction
we're taking Alan in, and the recast opens up exciting new story directions for
the character"--geez, I could write the woman's press releases, couldn't I?)
but have no reason to think she has concocted it yet.
>One POV is concern about what Jill will do & how. Another POV
>shows up when someone asks if there's any reason to think that
>so-and-so has their neck under that axe or wants to go, etc. which is
>easy to clarify. Speculation is speculation. And, so far at least,
>anything about Stuart Damon or Alan Q is spec only.
Right. I think we're on the same page now. Sorry for my part in the confusion.
Michael
Turner Arrington
>
> DonnaB <shall...@earthlink.net> posted:
>
> >No, Stuart Damon is much beloved.
>
> (Heavy sigh). Point taken, Donna [et al.], but I just have to remember saying
> similar things about Robin Strasser. There's unlikely and then there's
> impossible, and we'd all do well to remember that *nothing* is impossible where
> Jill is concerned.
Lemme try a quip here: There's unlikely, and then there's impossible,
and then there's Jill Farren-Phelps.
turner
--
"Honey, you once told me that you loved 'Saved by the Bell.' What could
be more humiliating than that?"--Lorelai, Gilmore Girls
Katswan
> Well, this is looking suspiciously like a game of telephone gone off
> the rails. I can't say what's in anyone's mind but mine, so here
> goes. I think Kale Brown was let go, not provided with a construct
> that allowed him to appear to be fired but concealed a plot to
> transport him to GH. Whew! I never meant to imply that Tomlin and
> Phelps were in cahoots over this. All I meant was that as soon as
> Jill made the move, and her protection was withdrawn from KB on OLTL,
> she may have anticipated Tomlin's action by offering Brown a job on
> GH. End of story. As for which job, it is -- again -- entirely my own
> opinion that he will not be brought on as a recast from Alan
> Quartermaine, Sonny Corinthos or any other existing character. I
> believe that he will be a lawyer or a politician, and that he will
> work with NLG. For all I know, he could be a lawyer named Sam
> Rappaport. This is my own personal scenario, and I'll be the first,
> or possibly the second, to say "Ooops!" if it turns out to be horribly
> wrong.
If KB is going to GH, I'd prefer to see him arrive as Sam Rappaport than
as a recast or even as another new character. Two reasons: 1) I like the
idea of cross-overs in general, because it kind of enlarges the world of
both soaps and makes them seem to exist in less of a vacuum; and 2) as
the original FOC Sam Rappaport, Keeper of the Tickets to Tahiti, I'd
like to see the character come out from under the mess he's been mired
in on OLTL and get a fresh start on another show. I can see the
character working well with Alexis, too.
Katswan
Katswan
news:r7kqatc6q0sh11pq5...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:03:10 -0500, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc
> <3AAD0F5E...@bellsouth.net> chica...@nowhere.com wrote:
>
> >SOD says DP played Michael, on OLTL. Who is/was the character
"Michael"?
>
> Dennis Parlato is most remembered by soap fans as the guy who played
> Roger Thorpe on GL when P&G sent him off on Disability Leave.
Not by this soap fan. Dennis Parlato will always be remembered by me as
the deliciously evil Michael Grande, who made Gabrielle cry more times
than I could count, and whose murder made for a wonderful whodonit,
until it was revealed that whodonit was someone thought to be bed-bound
in the hospital! Michael Grande was a major character on OLTL. There's
no way I can see him as Sam Rappaport. No way, Jose!
Katswan
Katswan
news:20010312200939...@ng-ff1.aol.com...
I could live with that, I think. I like Randy Mantooth and have ever
since Emergency, back when he couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.
My only hesitation is that he has appeared on OLTL already, as Alex
Masters (I think) from The City, when Bo was in New York looking for
someone on the run (can't remember who, though) and consulted Masters, a
cop or PI or something.
Katswan
DonnaB
<98lme...@news1.newsguy.com> "Katswan" <kat...@comcastnet.com>
wrote:
>Dia1962 <dia...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20010312200939...@ng-ff1.aol.com...
>> If I'm remembering correctly, John Martin used to play Jon Russell on
>OLTL.
>> He's also played on Sunset Beach.
Who was he on SSB?
>I could live with that, I think. I like Randy Mantooth and have ever
>since Emergency, back when he couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.
>My only hesitation is that he has appeared on OLTL already, as Alex
>Masters (I think) from The City, when Bo was in New York looking for
>someone on the run (can't remember who, though) and consulted Masters, a
>cop or PI or something.
That was going to be my question since I thought he'd been in Llanview
as Alex. Oh, well.
Honestly, if they need an immediate Sam, I'm quite surprised they
wouldn't continue with Kale only on a temp basis & then leave Sam out
of town for a long while & then recast Sam. I really don't understand
a no-gap-in-between recast, honest, I don't. <g>
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15fan
I believe he played Hank - Meg's father, but I'm not 100% sure. My memory
is beginning to go a bit.
DonnaB <shall...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Turner Arrington
>
> > Who was he on SSB?
>
> I believe he played Hank - Meg's father, but I'm not 100% sure. My memory
> is beginning to go a bit.
Got it in one.
Turner Arrington
> I really don't understand
> a no-gap-in-between recast, honest, I don't. <g>
Maybe they're afraid the bulk of the viewers will realize how
superfluous Sam Rappaport really is...
Sam Rappaport...even the name is pretentious.
Tante Joan
wrote:
>DonnaB wrote:
>> I really don't understand
>> a no-gap-in-between recast, honest, I don't. <g>
>
>Maybe they're afraid the bulk of the viewers will realize how
>superfluous Sam Rappaport really is...
>
>Sam Rappaport...even the name is pretentious.
>
>turner
OK, turner, now you've lost me. Just what is pretentious about this
name, and please bear in mind that I'm related to several Rappaport,
none of whom has a pretentious bone in his or her body.
TJ, mystified
DonnaB
<98lm4...@news1.newsguy.com> "Katswan" <kat...@comcastnet.com>
wrote:
>DonnaB <shall...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:r7kqatc6q0sh11pq5...@4ax.com...
>> Dennis Parlato is most remembered by soap fans as the guy who played
>> Roger Thorpe on GL when P&G sent him off on Disability Leave.
>
>Not by this soap fan. Dennis Parlato will always be remembered by me as
>the deliciously evil Michael Grande, who made Gabrielle cry more times
>than I could count, and whose murder made for a wonderful whodonit,
>until it was revealed that whodonit was someone thought to be bed-bound
>in the hospital! Michael Grande was a major character on OLTL. There's
>no way I can see him as Sam Rappaport. No way, Jose!
Okay, well, I didn't know which Michael he had played on OLTL & knew
that bjw would recall the Zaslow fiasco, so to speak, which gave
Parlato some unneeded notoriety. I never put it together that Michael
Grande was the same guy, if you know what I mean, but, then, anything
with FionaH in it & I glaze right over, so, ... And, otherwise, I just
cannot figure out why they need a Sam Rappaport at all. I just keep
worrying it from different angles.
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DonnaB
<98lqt6$p$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> "15fan" <a15...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>> Who was he on SSB?
>
>I believe he played Hank - Meg's father, but I'm not 100% sure. My memory
>is beginning to go a bit.
Oh, thank you, now I finally have a mental picture in place!
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DonnaB
<3AAE72B8...@msn.com> Turner Arrington <sta...@msn.com> wrote:
>DonnaB wrote:
>> I really don't understand
>> a no-gap-in-between recast, honest, I don't. <g>
>
>Maybe they're afraid the bulk of the viewers will realize how
>superfluous Sam Rappaport really is...
But, the thing is I have no trouble at all understanding NOT
recasting, it's just that .... oh, never mind. <G>
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DonnaB
<rlusat474inh0ct67...@4ax.com> Tante Joan
<tant...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>OK, turner, now you've lost me. Just what is pretentious about this
>name, and please bear in mind that I'm related to several Rappaport,
>none of whom has a pretentious bone in his or her body.
>TJ, mystified
I love it, the plural of Rappaport is Rappaport. Also, lost on the
pretension angle, but, thought maybe it just sounded like a made-up
name.
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jasey brite
>recasting, it's just that .... oh, never mind. <G>
>
::shrug:: I still don't think a recast is gonna happen. No point.
!jase!
"You are strange and off-putting." -- "Buffy The Vampire Slayer," 9/26/00
it spins us a-r-o-u-n-d
"Take that, Space Coyote!" -- homer j.
Where's the creep that turned me into a spider-eating manbitch?!
kaci
Starword <star...@enteract.com> wrote in message
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>
> jasey brite wrote:
>
> Natasha wropte:
> >>I would go along w/ that. I haven't heard anything
before this moment
> >>suggesting that TDS complained to TPTB or anyone about
KB.
>
> >Not TPTB, actually -- apparently, Tim talked about it in
a TVGuide chat,
> but
> >then asked a day or so later to have it edited from the
transcript.
> >!jase!
Whoa, whoa! Wait a minute-- Let's look at how this
speculation started. Then draw your own conclusions.
We enter the thread where Dia1962 has just said Kale
Browne's costars were resentful of his airtime, which is why
he's going. To which Michael replied:
"1) Of people who might legitimately resent the air time
Browne (and his
Rappaport costarts) have been getting the last three
years--that is, people who
used to get air time but no longer do because of the
Rappaports--who is left?
Timothy Stickney [RJ] and Nathan Purdee [Hank] leap to mind.
Everybody else
either (a) gets plenty of air time or (b) wasn't around
pre-Sam anyway. The
ones who might really have a gripe are gone are almost gone
(Patricia Mauceri
[Carlotta], Wortham Krimmer [Andrew], Laura Koffman
[ex-Cassie], etc.)."
and Dia replied:
"Well, Stickney definitely had a problem with KB as he
mentioned in an AOL chat
where he discussed the fact that KB and JFP were an item
(all of this was
edited out the official transcript but I was there during
the actual chat)."
Ok, let's recap. So far we have a speculation, followed by
another speculation. The difference in the specs, though, is
that the second one was presented as fact. This is how
rumors get started.
Nothing wrong with speculations, gossip, or rumors-- it's
fun, and sometimes it turns out there's actually some truth
to them. But I always have a bone to pick with speculation
and opinion masquerading as fact before it's proven to be
so, which is why I went to all this trouble cutting and
pasting<g>... Then there's the small matter of this rumor
putting my FOC in a less than positive light, and we can't
have that!
Now, Dia heard the chat, so I assume she posted the extent
of TS's remarks about KB. And again I ask: *Where is the
part that says Stickney had a problem with Kale Browne?????*
Mentioning that an actor and a PTB have something going on
may be juicy gossip, but nothing more. Fans tuning in to a
chat expect to hear little tidbits like that, and usually
the actors involved try to let go of a little behind the
scenes stuff or spoilers, so we won't be disappointed. But
Tim Stickney, who is known among his fans and peers as a
genuinely nice guy, I would think has too much sense to
speak negatively about a fellow actor on the record. And if
he did say KB and JFP were an item, that is not inferring
anything else other than what it says. I wish I'd heard that
chat. I have a feeling I would have had a completely
different take.
--
kaci
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FGB PC High, School Board Secretary: Keeper of the All Day
Teachers' Conferences
FOC RJ Gannon, Keeper of the Loyalty Within
Dia1962
I was just on the ABC Official Message Board and the president of Kale Browne's
Fan Club said that an inside source told her that Larry Lau, who used to play
Greg Nelson on AMC, is the new Sam. Larry also played Jamie Frame on AW. The
fan club prez, Allie, also indicated that SOW got it wrong. Kale is staying on
the East Coast. Oh, this info came from the Rappaport folder.
Cheryl
kaci
LOL at this conversation! Is it time to call it a TAN yet? I
must say, though, if my name had the mellifluity of a
"Turner Arrington" I wouldn't use a nick, either. So maybe
he knows of what he speaks...
kaci
Starword
kaci wrote (in re comment about remarks Tim Stickney (RJ Gannon) made in an
AOL chat w/ fans about Kale Browne):
>Whoa, whoa! Wait a minute-- Let's look at how this
>speculation started. Then draw your own conclusions.
<snipping Kaci's admirably detailed and methodic recounting of discussion
that transpired re this topic>
Perhaps you missed Cheryl's (Dia1962) clarification of what she said and
what actually happened.
Cheryl explained that what actually happened was TDS made some comments in
the chat about some problems working w/ Kale Browne. The next day, he
apparently thought better of having made those remarks and asked the TV
Guide site sponsor (or whoever it is) to edit those remarks from the
transcript of the chat, which was done.
Cheryl acknowledged that TDS never said anywhere that he or any other cast
member had gone to management w/ any complaints about KB. She also stated
that the only evidence she has that KB was possibly resented by some of his
co-stars is the comment he made about his departure in SOW. KB's comment
indicated that KB felt some of the cast may have resented him for having so
much front burner status for as long as he did. Cheryl acknowledged that
there is no hard evidence other than KB's comment about this that cast
resented him, nor is this any proof that KB's firing had to do w/ complaints
made to management by Tim Stickney or anyone else connected to OLTL.
I agree that from things I've read about TDS, he sounds like an extremely
professional and decent man who would be unlikely to gossip about or diss a
castmate to fans or press. However, anyone can have an off day where he/she
has a slip up or says something ill-considered. It's possible this could
have happened to TDS during this particular chat. I wasn't at the chat and
have not seen a transcript (is it possible to view an AOL chat transcript if
one doesn't have AOL?), but since it is a matter of public record, I don't
have any reason to believe Cheryl would invent something like this.
At any rate, I don't think there's any reason to make more out of this than
it is...either on the part of what TDS may have actually said, or on what
was reported here.
Natasha
DonnaB
<20010313175236...@ng-fk1.aol.com> jasey...@aol.comswirl
(jasey brite) wrote:
>>But, the thing is I have no trouble at all understanding NOT
>>recasting, it's just that .... oh, never mind. <G>
>
>::shrug:: I still don't think a recast is gonna happen. No point.
Okay, but, brace yourself, then.
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kaci
> Cheryl acknowledged that TDS never said anywhere that he
or any other cast
> member had gone to management w/ any complaints about KB.
She also stated
> that the only evidence she has that KB was possibly
resented by some of his
> co-stars is the comment he made about his departure in
SOW. KB's comment
> indicated that KB felt some of the cast may have resented
him for having so
> much front burner status for as long as he did. Cheryl
acknowledged that
> there is no hard evidence other than KB's comment about
this that cast
> resented him, nor is this any proof that KB's firing had
to do w/ complaints
> made to management by Tim Stickney or anyone else
connected to OLTL.
'Nuff said. I thank you (and Cheryl, for that matter) for
clearing it up.
kaci :)
kaci
Claudia <ng...@home.com> wrote in message
news:98kd2p$ofe$1...@morgoth.sfu.ca...
> ITA, Kaci. All the RappaDavidsons, but for Lindsay, could
leave and it
> would only improve the show. Lindsay would also become
more interesting,
> having to deal with the absence or loss of her entire
family :-)
>
One of the criteria for "interesting" I use in evaluating a
character is how often I want to FF them. As exasperating as
Lindsey is, I have to say she's one of the people I rarely
FF. So I figure if she can wring the least little bit of
interest out of generally sucky material, she's got to be a
pretty good actress :)
kaci
kaci
> >>
> >First, thanks Dia for posting the SOW excerpt;
>
> No problem kaci. Well I saw the SOW issue today. Here's
the rest of what KB
> says. " ' Whenever you get a new executive producer whose
mandate might be to
> change the look, change the feel, bring ratings up -- I
think you have to be
> bold, and sometimes take chances. You take a big chance,
and you could win
> big, or you might lose big. But you can't blame somebody
for taking the
> chance. Hindsight is the easiest kind of sight to have.
For better or for
> worse, you go along for the ride.'
I don't know what went on behind the scenes, but KB is one
class act.
kaci
kaci
<chica...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3AAD6343...@bellsouth.net...
> Starword wrote:
> > Rthrquiet wrote:
> > >Dia1962 posted:
> > >>Browne's contract expires this month, and he plans to
go west, where he
> > >>could turn up on another soap.
> >
> > >Uh-oh. <> Well, I guess it's time to
> > >take a poll as to what role he'll be playing on GH:
That one comment, for
> > >me, pushes it out of the speculation category and
pushes it up to at least
> > >a 75% chance of being true. Kale Browne as Alan
Quartermaine, anyone?
>
Nooooooo! Can we stop it with the KB as Alan stuff, already?
Next, we'lll be talking about Pat Elliott as Lila!
kaci
jasey brite
>
Oh, I will. After all, "no point" never stopped ABC Daytime before. :)
Turner Arrington
Nothing. I was actually wondering what I meant too...
I've been in a really foul mood most of the day, please forgive me.
<takes another swig of gin and tonic>
Much better.
Turner Arrington
> LOL at this conversation! Is it time to call it a TAN yet? I
> must say, though, if my name had the mellifluity of a
> "Turner Arrington" I wouldn't use a nick, either. So maybe
> he knows of what he speaks...
It's just...well, I have a long name. It's even longer if I throw my
first name out there (which I never use, and I've considered dropping
many times, but I digress). And well, my "real" writing has my pen name
on it, because really, would you buy a book written by someone named
"Turner Arrington"?
Of course, now I'm going to obsess that the reason I can't land a
contract is because my pen name is too pretentious too...
Katswan
Oh, wow. I adored Larry as Greg Nelson, back when I was a child <cough
cough>.
I just think I'll have one hell of a time seeing him as old enough to be
the father of Will and Jen and a previous love interest of Nora's. I
mean, I *know* he's older now, but last time I saw him he still had
quite the baby face, and *I* will always see that adorable teenage Greg
Nelson face superimposed over his current one. You know, like our
parents always see our baby faces when looking at us?
Katswan, who also gets a kick out of watching Jenny Gardner playing a
detective on NYPD Blue
Jayneau
> >I'm with you, TJ. I don't think there's any big mystery or underlying
> >skullduggery (sp?) in Kale Brown's leaving. He's just hopping the
> >Jillsville Express to GH. He and Tim Gibbs are probably getting the "Buy
> >One, Get One Free" special fare for FOJ's.
"DonnaB" wrote in message
> I don't really follow what you mean here. When OLTL didn't make any
> offer to him to re-sign a contract, and in fact told him they weren't
> interested in his remaining with the show, you think Gary Tomlin was
> just in cahoots somehow with Jill in this way, but, they are keeping
> it hush-hush? Being fired's not pleasant even if someone else offers
> you a job down the road.
>
> --
> DonnaB
No, I don't think Tomlin and Phelps were in cahoots at all. I guess what
I'm thinking is that Kale Browne wasn't all that brokenhearted to be leaving
OLTL, now that Jill won't be there to keep him front and center. Same deal
with Tim Gibbs. If Browne was such a "difficult" actor, then with Jill
leaving there is no longer anyone there to protect him or champion his
cause. If they follow Jill to GH, they'll get front-burner stories and lots
of airtime. But I think that's a big "if". There has been speculation
about Kale Browne replacing Stuart Damon as Alan Quartermain. I can't see
this happening. What I CAN see happening is Browne coming onto GH as a new
character, and yet another bust-up of Alan and Monica, and Browne being
Monica's new love interest.
But what if they DON'T recast the part of Sam Rappaport, despite all the
rumors and speculation to the contrary? Then perhaps Sam is the one who
bumped off Colin. I think Kale Browne is a pretty good actor, but I am a
little sick of the whole Rappadavidson front-burner fiasco. I won't be all
that sorry to see him go, only because I'm just sick of the character. I
can't imagine WHY they'd recast the part.
It seems that being a good actor or bad actor has nothing to do with
longevity in soaps, or OLTL in particular. If so, then Ben Davidson (can't
think of the actor's name) would have been LOOOOONG gone!
Jayne
jasey brite
>rumors and speculation to the contrary?
You know, Natasha, now that I'm thinking about, I *was* finally convinced today
that Sam *had* been recast with Laurence Lau, and I was ready for it. But what
if you're right? What if that's a clever ruse and Sam turns out to be the
killer? This is like the Darlene Vogel rumor (i.e., departure being kept under
wraps b/c of storyline) .
Hmmmm.
Starword
jasey brite wrote:
Jayne wrote:
>>But what if they DON'T recast the part of Sam Rappaport, despite all the
>>rumors and speculation to the contrary?
>You know, Natasha, now that I'm thinking about, I *was* finally convinced
today
>that Sam *had* been recast with Laurence Lau, and I was ready for it. But
what
>if you're right? What if that's a clever ruse and Sam turns out to be the
>killer?
Just so we're clear here --- I did not post the above comment re Sam and
recast. That was from Jayne. However, I did comment on the possibility of
Sam being the killer (if a murder it is!) if we knew he was being written
out and not recast. So directing your reply to me is not inaccurate, in a
sense.
>This is like the Darlene Vogel rumor (i.e., departure being kept under
>wraps b/c of storyline) .
Please explain. I know there's been speculation about whether she'll stay or
not, but is anything more known for sure?
I heard the Larry Lau "announcement" too and I know Cheryl said she heard it
from KB's fan club president, who supposedly got it from an inside source.
But I guess it could be a carefully orchestrated ruse to throw us all off
the track over solving the mystery. I sure wouldn't put it past TPTB.
Remember when Georgie Phillips was off'd, Sarah Grant's departure was kept
secret until just before Rachel's guilt was revealed.
I think you and Jayne could be right. The Sam recast could be a smokescreen
to keep us guessing and throw suspicion off Sam. My gut tells me Lanie is
the one to stand trial...and anyone who stands trial cannot be actually
guilty. Only the innocent are successfully prosecuted in Llanview.
But if Lanie didn't do anything to Colin, what was she babbling like a crazy
person to Lindsay about today? What is it she thinks she's done? And why was
she so surprised when Bo told her Colin wasn't there? Unless she saw his
body there and is whacked out enough to think she did it.
And if Sam did it, why is he covering up? Unless he thinks he's protecting
Will or Jen? Sam is knowledgeable enough of the law to realize he had
solidly defensible grounds for braining Colin to defend Nora. Unless he's
totally wigged out, too (which has no basis and would be very far-fetched),
I don't see what reason he would have to cover up his crime. All he'd have
to do is say, "I went to the house to confront Colin. He was acting
suspicious, so I went in to check things out and found Nora upstairs,
drugged and half unclothed. Colin became violent and I (insert method of
assault here) to stop him, and I guess I (method of assault) too hard and it
killed him."
Another possibility would be that Will actually DID do Colin in and Sam
knows it, so he's covering up for Will. I could see Sam doing this, but
again, why wouldn't Sam simply take the rap himself and plead defense of
Nora and of himself? Why complicate things by covering up a crime?
Let's give it a week and see if we have more to go on. Then maybe we can
compare notes again.
Natasha
jasey brite
>not, but is anything more known for sure?
Okay, I could put SPOILER space here, but I've been doing way too much
gratuitous SPOILER space today...
Oh, fine, a few lines. :)
.
.
.
.
.
.
The rumor was that Darlene V. was on the way out, but it was going to be kept
under wraps as Lanie was going to be revealed to be Colin's killer. I confess
part of my Lanie-as-killer theory stems from that, but there's also her recent
behavior and the usual 'no-one-suspects-Pollyanna.' And if ever there was Dr.
Pollyanna, Melanie's it.
Your theories about Sam and Sam potentially covering for Will are pretty dead
on. And you're right -- let's give it a week. I guess after years of
SomnambulistOLTL, my motor's revved. :)
DonnaB
<kDVr6.14948$R_6.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> "Jayneau"
<jayn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"DonnaB" wrote in message
>> I don't really follow what you mean here. When OLTL didn't make any
>> offer to him to re-sign a contract, and in fact told him they weren't
>> interested in his remaining with the show, you think Gary Tomlin was
>> just in cahoots somehow with Jill in this way, but, they are keeping
>> it hush-hush? Being fired's not pleasant even if someone else offers
>> you a job down the road.
>
>No, I don't think Tomlin and Phelps were in cahoots at all. I guess what
>I'm thinking is that Kale Browne wasn't all that brokenhearted to be leaving
>OLTL, now that Jill won't be there to keep him front and center.
For whatever it's worth, I don't think that's true & I do think that
Kale was genuine in his early statements about his own concern about
OLTL veterans getting shoved out of the way in favor of new
characters. In none of the other times I've seen him has there ever
been any question of some need or even desire on his part to always be
front & center. As a matter of fact, when he was demoted from contract
to recurring at AW, even though the writing was on the wall that that
meant it was a step on the way out the door, he stayed, he didn't
complain, he played out his character's violent death storyline, etc.
even though the way in which it was handled was very difficult on him
& the cast & any of the crew who had been working, off & on, with
these people as certain characters for a long, long time.
>Same deal with Tim Gibbs.
Gibbs is a totally different circumstance. His contract wasn't up yet.
He went to the NuPTB to see what they had planned for him. They had
little to offer or weren't terribly excited about him. He said if that
was the case he might just think about whether to stay then. They said
for him not to let the door hit him on the butt on his way out.
Couldn't be more different.
>If Browne was such a "difficult" actor, then with Jill
>leaving there is no longer anyone there to protect him or champion his
>cause.
If Kale was a difficult actor at OLTL, then, there's some reason for
it, because Kale's not a difficult actor, or at least, let me put it
this way, he wasn't before OLTL.
>If they follow Jill to GH, they'll get front-burner stories and lots
>of airtime.
Kale? That's not what I hear, but, then, what I hear says that he's
trying to & intending to stay East, rumors to the contrary
notwithstanding.
>But what if they DON'T recast the part of Sam Rappaport, despite all the
>rumors and speculation to the contrary? ...
But, they are going to. And, in fact, .... <G>
>... I can't imagine WHY they'd recast the part.
Which is what I've been saying all along. But, I can only suppose that
they truly did wish to go younger. It's still weird, though.
>It seems that being a good actor or bad actor has nothing to do with
>longevity in soaps, or OLTL in particular. If so, then Ben Davidson (can't
>think of the actor's name) would have been LOOOOONG gone!
Yes, but he played AC Mallet on GL. Mark Derwin, who I believe was
hired by Jill there. Unlike Kale, at AW, who Jill met there.
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presence automatically liberates others." - Nelson Mandela, 1994
inaugural speech.
DonnaB
<98phbl$7si$1...@bob.news.rcn.net> "Starword" <star...@enteract.com>
wrote:
>I heard the Larry Lau "announcement" too and I know Cheryl said she heard it
>from KB's fan club president, who supposedly got it from an inside source.
Whistling ...
>But I guess it could be a carefully orchestrated ruse to throw us all off
>the track over solving the mystery. I sure wouldn't put it past TPTB.
>
>Remember when Georgie Phillips was off'd, Sarah Grant's departure was kept
>secret until just before Rachel's guilt was revealed.
Sarah Grant played Rachel then? Not Sandra or Sondra? And, Rachel,
daughter of Nora & Hank?
Suddenly very confused. It's any mention of Barbara or Georgie, does
it every time.
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the will." - Dennis Miller
Starword
DonnaB wrote:
>Starword" wrote:
>>I heard the Larry Lau "announcement" too and I know Cheryl said she heard
it
>>from KB's fan club president, who supposedly got it from an inside source.
>Whistling ...
LOL!
>>Remember when Georgie Phillips was off'd, Sarah Grant's departure was kept
>>secret until just before Rachel's guilt was revealed.
>Sarah Grant played Rachel then? Not Sandra or Sondra? And, Rachel,
>daughter of Nora & Hank?
No, I'm sorry...my bad! I meant to say Sandra Grant, not Sarah. Yes, Rachel
is the daughter of Hank and Nora.
>Suddenly very confused. It's any mention of Barbara or Georgie, does
>it every time.
>DonnaB
LOL! Sorry, that was my fault. Lots of names to remember w/ these big casts.
Natasha
mary b
<tant...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2001 03:02:51 GMT, rthr...@aol.com (Rthrquiet) wrote:
>
> >I still don't understand why they feel the need to recast Sam.
Something is not
> >fitting here . . . there's either a piece of the puzzle we're not being told
> >about, or somebody is not telling the truth, or there are no recast plans.
>
> I am sure that Kale Brown will be on GH shortly, playing a lawyer and
> possible love interest opposite Nancy Lee Grahn. There's no
> conspiracy at OLTL, as far as I know -- just a migration to
> Jillsville.
I doubt that Tante. As much as we love Alexis, she's not enough
of a central character to pair with Jilly's darling.
Nothing less than Monica will do.
Mary
mary b
> DonnaB wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:48:50 GMT, in rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc
> > <3AAD8B3D...@austin.rr.com> Lynn Riley <pisc...@austin.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >If (as speculated/hinted to) Alan turns out to be Skye's dad, and Kale
> > >is playing Alan by then, it would be rather strange for me, as though
> > >Sam were Skye's dad. However, I don't watch GH anymore. Why is
> > >the longtime actor playing Alan Q. leaving?
> >
> > Stuart Damon is not leaving.
>
> What she said. Given JFP's propensity for hiring her favorites wherever
> she goes, this is all just speculation as to who's going to get the ax
> at GH to make room for her "friends." Patt.'
Okies, here's what I'm thinking:
Inintially you'd think with Rae and Sky about to make an appearance in Puerto
Chuck, why not Sam?
Trouble is, with the Colin murder going on, I don't see Rappaboy making
a quick decision to uproot and move to Upstate NY. Hence a, at the least,
short term replacement. This will give viewers a period to put a new
face on the character of Sam, while KB preps for a newly created
character on GH so Jill can pad her savings account.
OTOH, what kinda Stephan do you think he'd make?
I doubt we'd see Stuart axed anyway; unlike Robin Strasser, he doesn't
have a hotline to gripe about his storylines and EP.
Mary
kaci
mary b <cor...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:cordet-1503...@user-38lcc2k.dialup.mindspring.
com... about Kale Browne:
> OTOH, what kinda Stephan do you think he'd make?
>
The same kind Porky Pig would make as Hamlet?
kaci<eg>
Claudia
news:20010313084015...@ng-mm1.aol.com...
> "Claudia" <ng...@home.com> posted:
>
> >Lindsay would also become more interesting,
> >having to deal with the absence or loss of her entire family :-)
>
> saying, "It's all Nora's fault." I don't blame Catherine Hickland--I think
> Lindsay *was* interesting earlier on in her run--but Megan McTavish has
turned
> her into this one-note mess. Maybe the writers taking over from Evil McT
can
> restore Lindsay to the status of credible, interesting character, but it
will
> be kind of like trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Point taken, Michael. However, hope springs eternal :-)
Claudia
Woodlawn412
>Jillsville Express to GH. He and Tim Gibbs are probably getting the "Buy
>One, Get One Free" special fare for FOJ's.
I don't understand what's so wrong with that. If I were a producer, I'd rather
work with people I'm comfortable with. That's the way of the world. It's fun to
work with your friends.
Woodlawn412
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SMorri8652
Dear God, are you serious?! Yes, it's great for the producer, but it sucks for
the fans. Jilly's pissed the fans off big time with the shit she pulled on
OLTL. Her friends get front burner storylines, while favorites that make the
fans turn into the show, some for dozens of years, are so disgusted that they
turn off the show. Some fans somehow remain to watch her destruction but they
bitch mightily about it. <g>
I am so close to stopping my viewing of GH, a show I have watched for almost 35
years. I can see Jilly's fair hand in the crap that's on the show now, and it's
only going to get worse when Jilly's fav headwriter, Megan McTavish, comes
along. I hate almost every storyline on the show now, and knowing what's
coming, I can't see much of a reason to stick around. People I love to watch
are leaving or soon to go.
The thing that will push me out the door will be some of her friends coming on.
Rae Cummings willl be visiting, but Skye's coming on for a longer term. Great,
an FOJ coming to roost on GH. What will really finish me will be the Carly
recast. I just know that that will be an FOJ, and I'm sure more of her friends
are coming.
And you don't see anything wrong with it. Dear God...
Sue M.