GH - What's so special about James Franco?
chicagofan
in the press. I'm not overwhelmed by his acting, or his looks. What am
I missing?
bj
PJ
I was impressed by his acting but not overwhelmed. I'd never heard of
him before all the aforementioned fanfare! So whatever you're missing,
you're not alone!!
PJ
Phyllis Stone
"PJ" <pjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 24, 12:19?pm, chicagofan <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> I'm still looking for the reason his arrival was met with such fanfare
> I missing?
> bj
I was impressed by his acting but not overwhelmed. I'd never heard of
him before all the aforementioned fanfare! So whatever you're missing,
you're not alone!!
PJ
I was a fan of Freaks and Geeks so I liked him a lot. He wasn't my favorite
though.
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <sPydnZcSeNKPgZDW...@giganews.com>):
Yes, I was a fan of Freaks and Geeks, too. He's had a couple of notable film
successes since then, notably in "Milk" and as part of the "Spiderman" film
franchise. I wondered if maybe he was a GH fan or something, but from what
I've read, that's not the reason he was cast. I'm an AMC watcher, and was
planning to make time to watch the James Franco episodes, but haven't been
motivated enough. How's he doing?
Aisling
--
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episodes, but haven't been motivated enough. How's he doing?
Aisling"
I'm not impressed. He looks to me like a badly played version of the
"Twilight" movies. JMO
Candy
chicagofan
> "PJ"<pjm...@aol.com> wrote
> On Nov 24, 12:19?pm, chicagofan<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm still looking for the reason his arrival was met with such fanfare
>> in the press. ?I'm not overwhelmed by his acting, or his looks. ?What am
>> I missing?
>> bj
>>
> I was impressed by his acting but not overwhelmed. I'd never heard of
> him before all the aforementioned fanfare! So whatever you're missing,
> you're not alone!!
> PJ
>
> I was a fan of Freaks and Geeks so I liked him a lot. He wasn't my favorite
> though.
>
Is that a TV show?
I'm like PJ, I'd never heard of him, until all the publicity started
about his appearance on GH. I got the impression we were supposed to be
awed. :)
bj
chicagofan
>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:59:12 -0500, Phyllis Stone wrote...
>>>
>> I was a fan of Freaks and Geeks so I liked him a lot. He wasn't my favorite
>> though.<<
>>
> Yes, I was a fan of Freaks and Geeks, too. He's had a couple of notable film
> successes since then, notably in "Milk" and as part of the "Spiderman" film
> franchise. I wondered if maybe he was a GH fan or something, but from what
> I've read, that's not the reason he was cast. I'm an AMC watcher, and was
> planning to make time to watch the James Franco episodes, but haven't been
> motivated enough. How's he doing?
>
> Aisling
>
As a non-fan, I don't see what all the hype is about [in the media], but
he's doing as good as many middle of the road types like Jacob Young. :)
However, I may not like him, because his character is smarmy, and for my
tastes he's overdoing the "I'm too sexy for my shirt" routine. ;)
bj
PJ
wrote:
> >> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:59:12 -0500, Phyllis Stone wrote
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
He and Steve Burton are great friends and, for that reason, he asked
to be cast. He's an interesting, intriquing character, but one who is
clearly not in it for the long haul. He appears to be obsessed with
Jason and Jason's occupation which does not bode well for his long
term health.
PJ
Pidge
Yeah, Freaks & Geeks was a tv show. I watched it, too. 1999 to 2000.
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I think he's sexsi. ;)
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Dana
Guza is wrote all of Franco's scenes so I blame him for the horrid dialogue
and "sexy" talk.
Still loving JF, though.
Bill Crapkin
>
> - Show quoted text -
The one thing that I have to note is that for all its hype about
landing a film actor, Franco's arrival probably will not be a giant
ratings bonanza. Franco is a respectable film actor but he is hardly
a big name or smashing superstar. My sister even asked me " Who is
James Franco?" Odds are if you went on the street and asked ten or
fifteen people at random what they think of James Franco most if not
all would ask James Who? He doesn't have the truly big-name value of
someone like Leonardo Dicaprio, Matt Damon or Brad Pitt. Heck, sad to
say but even far-and-away the most horrendous actor in the entire
media industry has more name recognition than Franco, the extremely
horrendous unwatchable overrated Zac Efron.
Alane
The two things I know him from are "Spider-Man" and "Milk." I think he
may not
be as well known in the public because he hasn't seemed to carry on in a
wild
way off screen (or if he has, it hasn't made the tabloids). I think he's
a fine
actor and has a decent shot at a long career.
Alane
chicagofan
> "chicagofan"<m...@privacy.net> wrote
>>> him before all the aforementioned fanfare! So whatever you're missing,
>>> you're not alone!!
>>> PJ
>>>
>>> I was a fan of Freaks and Geeks so I liked him a lot. He wasn't my
>>> favorite though.
>>>
>> Is that a TV show?
>>
>> I'm like PJ, I'd never heard of him, until all the publicity started about
>> his appearance on GH. I got the impression we were supposed to be awed.
>>
>
>
> Happy Belated Thanksgiving!
>
> Dana
>
Hi Dana! I've missed you around here! Can't account for your taste
though! ;) Just kidding... this role keeps me from seeing his
appeal/charm though. :)
bj
chicagofan
> >
> > Yeah, Freaks & Geeks was a tv show. I watched it, too. 1999 to
> > 2000.
>
> The two things I know him from are "Spider-Man" and "Milk." I think
> he may not be as well known in the public because he hasn't seemed to
> carry on in a wild way off screen (or if he has, it hasn't made the
> tabloids). I think he's a fine actor and has a decent shot at a long
> career.
>
> Alane
What role did he play in "Milk"? Was it a prominent person in that saga?
I haven't seen that movie, but would like to.
bj
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <PBcRm.10449$Xb5....@newsfe19.iad>):
Yes, he was Harvey Milk's long-term significant other. He got second billing
in that film.
chicagofan
>>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:44:15 -0500, chicagofan wrote
>>>
>>
> Yes, he was Harvey Milk's long-term significant other. He got second billing
> in that film.
>
> Aisling
>
Thanks, Aisling. I think my opinion of Franco would probably change if
I saw him in another role. :)
bj
Alane
Here's a Jimmy Kimmel interview where he talks about the prosthetic he
wore in Milk. You get to see more of a personality than we've gotten
thus far
on GH:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHsi3eE5o7g
Alane
chicagofan
> chicagofan wrote:
>
>> Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:44:15 -0500, chicagofan wrote
>>>>>
>>>> What role did he play in "Milk"? Was it a prominent person in that
>>>> saga?<<
>>>>
>>> Yes, he was Harvey Milk's long-term significant other. He got second
>>> billing in that film.
>>>
>> I saw him in another role. :)
>> bj
>>
> Here's a Jimmy Kimmel interview where he talks about the prosthetic he
> wore in Milk. You get to see more of a personality than we've gotten
> thus far
> on GH:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHsi3eE5o7g
>
> Alane
>
Yes,* that* guy is definitely more "likeable" than the GH character! ;)
Thanks, Alane for the link.
bj
PJ
>
> - Show quoted text -
Another actor who's so much better in a role other than his GH role is
Seamus Dever! He's very likeable and funny on "Castle".
pJ
chicagofan
> On Dec 2, 4:46�pm, chicagofan<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Alane wrote:
>>
>>> chicagofan wrote:
>>>> I think my opinion of Franco would probably change if
>>>> I saw him in another role. �:)
>>>>
>>> wore in Milk. You get to see more of a personality than we've gotten
>>> thus far on GH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHsi3eE5o7g
>>>
>> Thanks, Alane for the link.
>>
> Seamus Dever! He's very likeable and funny on "Castle".
>
> pJ
>
I had to look up an image to connect the name, and I agree, I like him a
lot on "Castle"... and can't even place him on GH. ;)
bj
PJ
>
> - Show quoted text -
So, do we think it's because he's such a good actor? He was supposed
to be devious and unlikeable on GH and he was. His character on GH was
a horrible person. He and his character are the total opposite on
"Castle". I'm glad to see him in such a different role. I'm one of
those fans who has trouble separating an actor from the character he
plays.
PJ
chicagofan
> On Dec 3, 9:03�am, chicagofan<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> PJ wrote:
>>> Another actor who's so much better in a role other than his GH role is
>>> Seamus Dever! He's very likeable and funny on "Castle".
>>>
>> lot on "Castle"... and can't even place him on GH. �;)
>>
> to be devious and unlikeable on GH and he was. His character on GH was
> a horrible person. He and his character are the total opposite on
> "Castle". I'm glad to see him in such a different role. I'm one of
> those fans who has trouble separating an actor from the character he
> plays.
>
Me too, PJ! So it is good to see actors playing extremely different
roles, to change our minds. :)
There is one actor though, that I am not sure I could ever like him,
because of the role he has played on GH, and that's the guy who plays
Jerry Jax now. Is it Sebastian Roche? [I'm so bad with names.]
bj
PJ
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's his name. I've never seen him in another role so he'll probably
always be the "fake" Jerry to me. Another actor that I HATE is Maurice
Benard and I have seen him in other roles. He played a distraught dad
in some tv movie a number of years ago. He was only so-so in the role.
I think he's a one-note wonder with scowling, throwing things and
shouting as his forte. Oh, and Sarah Brown. I've seen her in several
roles other than Carly and Claudia. She's an okay actress; I just
don't like her attitude. Like posting something about leaving the role
as Claudia because she had snagged a STARRING role in a major movie
and would begin shooting asap. Then she went straight to another soap
without a word. Lie? Don't know but it would fit with her inflated
ego.
PJ
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article
<547a468b-ea52-4922...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>):
> On Dec 6, 11:49ï¿œam, chicagofan <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> PJ wrote:
>>> On Dec 3, 9:03 am, chicagofan<m...@privacy.net> ï¿œwrote:
>>
>>>> PJ wrote:
>>>>> Another actor who's so much better in a role other than his GH role is
>>>>> Seamus Dever! He's very likeable and funny on "Castle".
>>
>>>> I had to look up an image to connect the name, and I agree, I like him a
>>>> lot on "Castle"... and can't even place him on GH. ;)
>>
>>> So, do we think it's because he's such a good actor? He was supposed
>>> to be devious and unlikeable on GH and he was. His character on GH was
>>> a horrible person. He and his character are the total opposite on
>>> "Castle". I'm glad to see him ï¿œin such a different role. I'm one of
>>> those fans who has trouble separating an actor from the character he
>>> plays.
>>
>> Me too, PJ! ï¿œSo it is good to see actors playing extremely different
>> roles, to change our minds. :)
>>
>> There is one actor though, that I am not sure I could ever like him,
>> because of the role he has played on GH, and that's the guy who plays
>> Jerry Jax now. ￜIs it Sebastian Roche? ￜ[I'm so bad with names.]
>> bj- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> That's his name. I've never seen him in another role so he'll probably
> always be the "fake" Jerry to me. <<
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that some of you dislike Sebastian Roche because of
his role on GH. He's a favorite of mine. I know him from "Roar" (Heath
Ledger's early starring role -- it was a Xena-like series wherein he was an
Irish prince dealing with the Romans invading their lands), and "Odyssey 5"
(an ill-fated sf show that was just getting interesting when it got canned).
chicagofan
>>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:08:08 -0500, PJ wrote...>>> There is one actor though, that I am not sure I could ever like,
>>> because of the role he has played on GH, and that's the guy who plays
>>>
>> That's his name. I've never seen him in another role so he'll probably
>> always be the "fake" Jerry to me.<<
>>
> Wow, I'm sorry to hear that some of you dislike Sebastian Roche because of
> his role on GH. He's a favorite of mine. I know him from "Roar" (Heath
> Ledger's early starring role -- it was a Xena-like series wherein he was an
> Irish prince dealing with the Romans invading their lands), and "Odyssey 5"
> (an ill-fated sf show that was just getting interesting when it got canned).
>
> Aisling
>
In spite of his horrific character on GH, he seems to have many fans
among those who watch GH. Probably from other things they have seen in
him, like you. :) It shocked me, the first time I read their praise. ;)
Watching him in some historical piece, taking him far away from GH
fiction, I might be able to enjoy him... just not sure. Hard to imagine
now. :)
bj
Ruby Villavicencio
On 12/6/09 2:49 PM, in article xVTSm.38524$cX4....@newsfe10.iad,
"chicagofan" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> There is one actor though, that I am not sure I could ever like him,
> because of the role he has played on GH, and that's the guy who plays
> Jerry Jax now. Is it Sebastian Roche? [I'm so bad with names.]
> bj
I caught Sebastian on "24". He played another bad guy there, but he did it
well!
Ruby
Ruby Villavicencio
On 12/7/09 11:08 AM, in article
547a468b-ea52-4922...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, "PJ"
<pjm...@aol.com> wrote:
> Another actor that I HATE is Maurice
> Benard and I have seen him in other roles. He played a distraught dad
> in some tv movie a number of years ago. He was only so-so in the role.
> I think he's a one-note wonder with scowling, throwing things and
> shouting as his forte. Oh, and Sarah Brown. I've seen her in several
> roles other than Carly and Claudia. She's an okay actress; I just
> don't like her attitude. Like posting something about leaving the role
> as Claudia because she had snagged a STARRING role in a major movie
> and would begin shooting asap. Then she went straight to another soap
> without a word. Lie? Don't know but it would fit with her inflated
> ego.
I probably wouldn't hate Maurice as much as I do if he weren't so
over-exposed on GH. He's not a part of the canvas, he IS the canvas! He's
rather a caricature now -- when you see Maurice being interviewed on TV,
it's as if you were seeing Sonny.
And Sarah Brown . . . I hated Carly when Sarah played her. But when Tamara
got the role, Carly became a lot more sympathetic.
Ruby
Ruby Villavicencio
On 12/7/09 12:37 PM, in article
0001HW.C742A76C...@news.eternal-september.org, "Aisling Willow
Grey" <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> Wow, I'm sorry to hear that some of you dislike Sebastian Roche because of
> his role on GH. He's a favorite of mine. I know him from "Roar" (Heath
> Ledger's early starring role -- it was a Xena-like series wherein he was an
> Irish prince dealing with the Romans invading their lands), and "Odyssey 5"
> (an ill-fated sf show that was just getting interesting when it got canned).
He played an evil psychopath so convincingly that I think people still see
"Mr. Craig" every time he comes onscreen!
Ruby
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <C74494B9.3AD7%ruby...@gmail.com>):
I think that happens a lot with actors who _aren't_ classically handsome. No
one looks at Mark Harmon and shudders, thinking of Ted Bundy, every time they
look at him.
PJ
> >> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:41:45 -0500, Ruby Villavicencio wrote
>
>
>
>
> > On 12/7/09 12:37 PM, in article
> > Grey" <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>
> >> Wow, I'm sorry to hear that some of you dislike Sebastian Roche because of
> >> his role on GH. �He's a favorite of mine. �I know him from "Roar" (Heath
> >> Ledger's early starring role -- it was a Xena-like series wherein he was an
> >> Irish prince dealing with the Romans invading their lands), and "Odyssey 5"
> >> (an ill-fated sf show that was just getting interesting when it got canned).
>
> > He played an evil psychopath so convincingly that I think people still see
> > "Mr. Craig" every time he comes onscreen! <<
>
> I think that happens a lot with actors who _aren't_ classically handsome. �No
> one looks at Mark Harmon and shudders, thinking of Ted Bundy, every time they
> look at him.
>
> Aisling
> --
> Ten Thousand Questions
> A Question a Day for Journaling, Self-Discovery, and Transformation
> "2009 is the Year of Questions"
> tenthousandquestions.com
Mark Harmon also played that guy in DC who murdered his girlfriend and
dumped her at sea in a cooler. Can't think of his name right now so
you may not know who I'm talking about. He was a prominent guy and it
was all over the news for months. Anyway, that was an evil part as
well but I don't think of it (or Bundy) when I see Mark Harmon's
gorgeous smile. I just see a damned handsome man!
PJ
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article
<1c240c74-3ea3-4dc9...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
> On Dec 9, 5:12ï¿œam, Aisling Willow Grey <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:41:45 -0500, Ruby Villavicencio wrote
>>
>> (in article <C74494B9.3AD7%rubyv...@gmail.com>):
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12/7/09 12:37 PM, in article
>>> 0001HW.C742A76C00789D4DB01AD...@news.eternal-september.org, "Aisling Willow
>>> Grey" <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Wow, I'm sorry to hear that some of you dislike Sebastian Roche because of
>>>> his role on GH. ï¿œHe's a favorite of mine. ï¿œI know him from "Roar"
>>>> (Heath
>>>> Ledger's early starring role -- it was a Xena-like series wherein he was
>>>> an
>>>> Irish prince dealing with the Romans invading their lands), and "Odyssey
>>>> 5"
>>>> (an ill-fated sf show that was just getting interesting when it got
>>>> canned).
>>
>>> He played an evil psychopath so convincingly that I think people still see
>>> "Mr. Craig" every time he comes onscreen! <<
>>
>> I think that happens a lot with actors who _aren't_ classically handsome.
>> ï¿œNo
>> one looks at Mark Harmon and shudders, thinking of Ted Bundy, every time
>> they
>> look at him.
>>
>> Aisling
>
> Mark Harmon also played that guy in DC who murdered his girlfriend and
> dumped her at sea in a cooler. Can't think of his name right now so
> you may not know who I'm talking about. He was a prominent guy and it
> was all over the news for months. Anyway, that was an evil part as
> well but I don't think of it (or Bundy) when I see Mark Harmon's
> gorgeous smile. I just see a damned handsome man! <<
Are you kidding? I'm a true crime enthusiast; that one's a cakewalk for me.
You're talking about Thomas Capano and Anne Marie Fahey. :-)
But I think that actors with more character in their face often suffer for
having played villanous roles. You can see what people are saying about
Sebastian Roche; another great example is the late Andreas Katsulas, a
_lovely_ man who mostly played horrifically nasty people: the one-armed man
in "The Fugitive"; the bad guy in "Someone to Watch Over Me"; bad guys in
comedy movies like "Jane Austen's Mafia" and "Hot Shots Part Deux";
terrorists in the film about the first World Trade Center ("Path to
Paradise") and "Executive Decision." Some may know him as G'Kar in "Babylon
5," which was a very noble role, but he wore it behind a 10-lb. prosthetic
mask so you didn't see his real face. Anyway, you couldn't meet a nicer,
more gentlemanly, generous man. But I remember being at my folks' one
weekend and watching "Someone to Watch Over Me," and when he came on screen,
I mentioned that I'd met him recently at a convention...and my mother
shuddered and said, "Ugh! He scares me!" Now, granted, he plays a _really_
vile man in that movie, but still -- he's a person! An actor! That doesn't
mean the _actor_ is a vile man! Still, actors who routinely play those kinds
of roles often get misidentified as bad people in the minds of their
audiences. Which is, IMHO, a shame.
PJ
> >> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:35:01 -0500, PJ wrote
>
> (in article
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 9, 5:12 am, Aisling Willow Grey <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:41:45 -0500, Ruby Villavicencio wrote
>
> >> (in article <C74494B9.3AD7%rubyv...@gmail.com>):
>
> >>> On 12/7/09 12:37 PM, in article
> >>> 0001HW.C742A76C00789D4DB01AD...@news.eternal-september.org, "Aisling Willow
> >>> Grey" <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Wow, I'm sorry to hear that some of you dislike Sebastian Roche because of
> >>>> (Heath
> >>>> Ledger's early starring role -- it was a Xena-like series wherein he was
> >>>> an
> >>>> Irish prince dealing with the Romans invading their lands), and "Odyssey
> >>>> 5"
> >>>> (an ill-fated sf show that was just getting interesting when it got
> >>>> canned).
>
> >>> He played an evil psychopath so convincingly that I think people still see
> >>> "Mr. Craig" every time he comes onscreen! <<
>
> >> I think that happens a lot with actors who _aren't_ classically handsome.
>
> - Show quoted text -
But it is, in an unfortunate way perhaps, a credit to their acting
ability that they're portrayed their character so well that people
can't forget.
PJ
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article
<b43ce81f-afcd-4107...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com>):
>>> gorgeous smile. ï¿œI just see a damned handsome man! <<
>>
>> Are you kidding? ï¿œI'm a true crime enthusiast; that one's a cakewalk for
>> me. ￜ
>> You're talking about Thomas Capano and Anne Marie Fahey. ￜ:-)
>>
>> But I think that actors with more character in their face often suffer for
>> having played villanous roles. ï¿œYou can see what people are saying about
>> Sebastian Roche; another great example is the late Andreas Katsulas, a
>> _lovely_ man who mostly played horrifically nasty people: the one-armed man
>> in "The Fugitive"; the bad guy in "Someone to Watch Over Me"; bad guys in
>> comedy movies like "Jane Austen's Mafia" and "Hot Shots Part Deux";
>> terrorists in the film about the first World Trade Center ("Path to
>> Paradise") and "Executive Decision." ï¿œSome may know him as G'Kar in
>> "Babylon
>> 5," which was a very noble role, but he wore it behind a 10-lb. prosthetic
>> mask so you didn't see his real face. ï¿œAnyway, you couldn't meet a nicer,
>> more gentlemanly, generous man. ï¿œBut I remember being at my folks' one
>> weekend and watching "Someone to Watch Over Me," and when he came on screen,
>> I mentioned that I'd met him recently at a convention...and my mother
>> shuddered and said, "Ugh! He scares me!" ï¿œNow, granted, he plays a
>> _really_
>> vile man in that movie, but still -- he's a person! ï¿œAn actor! ï¿œThat
>> doesn't
>> mean the _actor_ is a vile man! ï¿œStill, actors who routinely play those
>> kinds
>> of roles often get misidentified as bad people in the minds of their
>> audiences. ï¿œWhich is, IMHO, a shame.
>>
>> Aisling
>
> But it is, in an unfortunate way perhaps, a credit to their acting
> ability that they're portrayed their character so well that people
> can't forget. <<
Maybe so, but how would you feel if people turned away from you in disgust,
or fear, because of how well you did your job?!
Aisling (who empathizes with actors)
KC
<ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:42:57 -0500, PJ wrote
>(in article
><b43ce81f-afcd-4107...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On Dec 9, 6:27ￜpm, Aisling Willow Grey <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:35:01 -0500, PJ wrote
>>>Still, actors who routinely play those
>>> kinds
>>> of roles often get misidentified as bad people in the minds of their
>>> audiences. ￜWhich is, IMHO, a shame.
>>>
>>> Aisling
>>
>> But it is, in an unfortunate way perhaps, a credit to their acting
>> ability that they're portrayed their character so well that people
>> can't forget. <<
>
>Maybe so, but how would you feel if people turned away from you in disgust,
>or fear, because of how well you did your job?!
>
>Aisling (who empathizes with actors)
Steven Railsback played Charles Manson in the TV miniseries "Helter
Skelter" and not only played the part well, he looked like Manson, had
the same body type and the same eyes. When reviews say things like,
"he out-Mansoned Manson," the typecasting has begun and although he
worked steadily ever since, he never became a big star.
I mean, you want an actor to nail every little detail of the portrayal
of a real person (and the murders were still very much alive in the
memories of people, less than 10 years later). Once they are typecast,
what can do, *not* accept jobs they are offered? It's got to be tough.
There's a very interesting site called "Not Starring" that lists the
actors that were considered or offered various movie roles made famous
by other people. Just goes to show how a career can be shaped by the
choice (or refusal) of a particular role. Can you imagine (I'll pick a
seasonal movie) "It's a Wonderful Life" with Cary Grant and Ginger
Rogers or Olivia De Havilland as George and Mary Bailey?
http://www.notstarring.com/
KC (empathizes as well)
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <nn32i5dod6h7kmv1l...@4ax.com>):
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:01:09 -0500, Aisling Willow Grey
> <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>
>>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:42:57 -0500, PJ wrote
>> (in article
>> <b43ce81f-afcd-4107...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>> On Dec 9, 6:27ï¿ pm, Aisling Willow Grey <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:35:01 -0500, PJ wrote
>>>> Still, actors who routinely play those
>>>> kinds
>>>> of roles often get misidentified as bad people in the minds of their
>>>> audiences. ï¿ Which is, IMHO, a shame.
>>>>
>>>> Aisling
>>>
>>> But it is, in an unfortunate way perhaps, a credit to their acting
>>> ability that they're portrayed their character so well that people
>>> can't forget. <<
>>
>> Maybe so, but how would you feel if people turned away from you in disgust,
>> or fear, because of how well you did your job?!
>>
>> Aisling (who empathizes with actors)
>
> Steven Railsback played Charles Manson in the TV miniseries "Helter
> Skelter" and not only played the part well, he looked like Manson, had
> the same body type and the same eyes. When reviews say things like,
> "he out-Mansoned Manson," the typecasting has begun and although he
> worked steadily ever since, he never became a big star. <<
Yes, and Steve Railsbeck is usually the guy I think of first when I think of
this syndrome, with Mark Harmon as the other side of the coin (the one who
didn't get typecast -- then again, he was playing a sociopath who was
specifically known to be charming, charismatic, and attractive to other
people even after they knew what he did). :-p
>> I mean, you want an actor to nail every little detail of the portrayal
> of a real person (and the murders were still very much alive in the
> memories of people, less than 10 years later). Once they are typecast,
> what can do, *not* accept jobs they are offered? It's got to be tough. <<
Sure. And some people might say it's great to get work even if it's always
as a villain, but it's more than a hunch to say that these same actors are
also _losing_ jobs, because oftentimes they simply cannot get seen for
casting calls for leading or 'heroic' roles.
>> There's a very interesting site called "Not Starring" that lists the
> actors that were considered or offered various movie roles made famous
> by other people. Just goes to show how a career can be shaped by the
> choice (or refusal) of a particular role. Can you imagine (I'll pick a
> seasonal movie) "It's a Wonderful Life" with Cary Grant and Ginger
> Rogers or Olivia De Havilland as George and Mary Bailey?
> http://www.notstarring.com/ <<
Oh my gosh, how did I _not_ know about this site?! Thanks so much! I love
hearing stories of who turned down what role. (For instance, I just read on
IMDb that Brad Pitt read for one of the leads in "Alive," but he didn't do
too well, and the part went to Josh Hamilton instead.)
Aisling (film trivia fan)
KC
<ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:29:43 -0500, KC wrote
>(in article <nn32i5dod6h7kmv1l...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:01:09 -0500, Aisling Willow Grey
>> <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:42:57 -0500, PJ wrote
>>> (in article
>>> <b43ce81f-afcd-4107...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com>):
>>>
>>>> On Dec 9, 6:27ￜpm, Aisling Willow Grey <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:35:01 -0500, PJ wrote
>>>>> Still, actors who routinely play those
>>>>> kinds
>>>>> of roles often get misidentified as bad people in the minds of their
>>>>> audiences. ￜWhich is, IMHO, a shame.
When I think of top male film stars, the ones that open a movie, none
of them gave a chillingly believable performance of an evil character
as the first one the general public knows about. Actors who are known
for other work can get away with it, like Anthony Hopkins, but
unfortunately, many actors start out in small films, horror films,
odd, artsy films, and never really pull themselves out of it.
Harmon was lucky, because he played a killer who wasn't the typical
creepy guy and because his particular look really lends itself to
playing heroic types. Tommy Lee Jones got an Emmy for the TV movie
"The Executioner's Song" about killer Gary Gilmore (if you haven't
seen it, rent it, it's fantastic) and did end up as a bad guy in a lot
of films. Being cast in "The Fugitive" was the best thing that ever
happened to his career, because he suddenly was being cast in
everything. In an interview, he was asked why everybody seems to want
him in their film and he said, "I show up on time, I'm prepared, and I
only throw a fit when it's my turn." Now, those are words to live by.
>
>>> There's a very interesting site called "Not Starring" that lists the
>> actors that were considered or offered various movie roles made famous
>> by other people. Just goes to show how a career can be shaped by the
>> choice (or refusal) of a particular role. Can you imagine (I'll pick a
>> seasonal movie) "It's a Wonderful Life" with Cary Grant and Ginger
>> Rogers or Olivia De Havilland as George and Mary Bailey?
>> http://www.notstarring.com/ <<
>
>Oh my gosh, how did I _not_ know about this site?! Thanks so much! I love
>hearing stories of who turned down what role. (For instance, I just read on
>IMDb that Brad Pitt read for one of the leads in "Alive," but he didn't do
>too well, and the part went to Josh Hamilton instead.)
>
>Aisling (film trivia fan)
You're welcome...I think...you can spend way too long on that site!
Poking around, you start to realize how lucky we are to get some of
the movies and casting that we get. I mean, John Denver was offered
the lead in "An Officer and a Gentleman."
KC
Ruby Villavicencio
On 12/9/09 3:35 PM, in article
1c240c74-3ea3-4dc9...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "PJ"
<pjm...@aol.com> wrote:
I don't think Mark Harmon was as gifted at playing BAD as Sebastian Roche.
But then, I've loved him since "St. Elsewhere."
Ruby
Ruby Villavicencio
On 12/9/09 9:27 PM, in article
0001HW.C745C6D5...@news.eternal-september.org, "Aisling Willow
Grey" <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> Andreas Katsulas, a
> _lovely_ man who mostly played horrifically nasty people: the one-armed man
> in "The Fugitive"; the bad guy in "Someone to Watch Over Me"; bad guys in
> comedy movies like "Jane Austen's Mafia" and "Hot Shots Part Deux";
> terrorists in the film about the first World Trade Center ("Path to
> Paradise") and "Executive Decision." Some may know him as G'Kar in "Babylon
> 5," which was a very noble role, but he wore it behind a 10-lb. prosthetic
> mask so you didn't see his real face. Anyway, you couldn't meet a nicer,
> more gentlemanly, generous man.
I saw him on Babylon 5 BEFORE I saw him (or remembered him, anyway) in
anything else. So when I saw him playing a villain, I just admired the
actor's skill rather than hating him. How could anyone hate G'Kar?
Ruby
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <C74869A9.3B26%ruby...@gmail.com>):
Ruby m'dear, you are preaching to the converted! I had a great fondness for
Andreas, and enjoyed _all_ of his portrayals: the noble and the nasty!
Dana
news:VxcRm.10448$Xb5....@newsfe19.iad...
>
> Hi Dana! I've missed you around here! Can't account for your taste
> though! ;) Just kidding... this role keeps me from seeing his
> appeal/charm though. :)
> bj
>
>
>
Good to see you, too! I am trying to do a better job of reading here, but
I'm still failing. ;)
I have to admit, I think I'd enjoy the Franco storyline more if it weren't
so Jason-centric.
But that can be said for many storylines on this show.
Phyllis Stone
chicagofan
>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:41:45 -0500, Ruby Villavicencio wrote
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, I'm sorry to hear that some of you dislike Sebastian Roche because of
>>> his role on GH. He's a favorite of mine.
>>>
>> "Mr. Craig" every time he comes onscreen!<<
>>
> I think that happens a lot with actors who _aren't_ classically handsome. No
> one looks at Mark Harmon and shudders, thinking of Ted Bundy, every time they
> look at him.
>
I don't like him as much as I used to though. ;) Another role in a
real life horror story that affected me the same way, was Gary Cole's
role in "Fatal Vision". The story of a Green Beret doctor who murdered
his pregnant wife and 2 children. I can't explain it, but it's true, I
can't forget their impressions in those roles, and they are both nice
looking men.
bj
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <fbOVm.68308$de6....@newsfe21.iad>):
Yeah, that was the Jeffrey MacDonald story. The book is great.
chicagofan
>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:46:15 -0500, chicagofan wrote
>>>
>> Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
>>
>>> I think that happens a lot with actors who _aren't_ classically handsome.
>>> No one looks at Mark Harmon and shudders, thinking of Ted Bundy,
>>> every time they look at him.
>>>
>> I don't like him as much as I used to though. ;) Another role in a
>> real life horror story that affected me the same way, was Gary Cole's
>> role in "Fatal Vision". The story of a Green Beret doctor who murdered
>> his pregnant wife and 2 children. I can't explain it, but it's true, I
>> can't forget their impressions in those roles, and they are both nice
>> looking men.<<
>>
> Yeah, that was the Jeffrey MacDonald story. The book is great.
>
> Aisling
>
I have that book too! I'm a real true crime fan, as I think I read that
you are too. I watch way too many true life crime shows. :)
bj
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <VYRVm.75226$We2....@newsfe09.iad>):
Wow, that's something else we have in common! :-)
Laura M. Young
> I don't like him as much as I used to though. ;) Another role in a
> real life horror story that affected me the same way, was Gary Cole's
> role in "Fatal Vision". The story of a Green Beret doctor who murdered
> his pregnant wife and 2 children. I can't explain it, but it's true, I
> can't forget their impressions in those roles, and they are both nice
> looking men.
> bj
>
>
And then there is Adam West who NEVER made it past his role of Batman.
Laura M. Young
How can you avoid it? Between the '48 hours mystery" type things, and the
"ripped from the headlines" stories on L&O (Versions 1,2, and 3) and CSI
(Versions 1,2, and 3), and things like "the Mentalist," "Bones," and all the
other shows featuring beautiful female investigators with handsome sidekicks
with whom they don't have sex, despite obvious chemistry, that's practically
all that is on TV these days!
Laura M. Young
>> I have that book too! I'm a real true crime fan, as I think I read that
>> you are too. I watch way too many true life crime shows. :) <<
>
> Wow, that's something else we have in common! :-)
>
Me three. I have both the book and the mini-series saved on tape of "Fatal
Vision."
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <C7528805.196BC%bridgep...@cox.net>):
Well, of all of those, only "48 Hours Mystery" is actually true crime. The
rest are fictional, which is another whole kettle of fish.
chicagofan
>>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:39:17 -0500, Laura M. Young wrote
>>>
>>
>>> Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
>>>> Yeah, that was the Jeffrey MacDonald story. The book is great.
>>> you are too. I watch way too many true life crime shows. :)
>>> bj
>>>
>> How can you avoid it? Between the '48 hours mystery" type things, and the
>> "ripped from the headlines" stories on L&O (Versions 1,2, and 3) and CSI
>> (Versions 1,2, and 3), and things like "the Mentalist," "Bones," and all the
>> other shows featuring beautiful female investigators with handsome sidekicks
>> with whom they don't have sex, despite obvious chemistry, that's practically
>> all that is on TV these days!<<
>>
> Well, of all of those, only "48 Hours Mystery" is actually true crime. The
> rest are fictional, which is another whole kettle of fish.
>
> Aisling
>
I found a new channel in the last 6 mos. for true crime stories. It
does have some network re-runs of 48 Hours [CBS], but lots are FBI
cases, and other shows like "Forensic Files" on Tru TV. This is a
Discovery channel, called "Investigation Discovery". Have you watched it?
bj
Aisling Willow Grey
(in article <tFw_m.2568$Iz5...@newsfe05.iad>):
> Aisling Willow Grey wrote:
>> Well, of all of those, only "48 Hours Mystery" is actually true crime. The
>> rest are fictional, which is another whole kettle of fish.
>>
>> Aisling
>>
>
> I found a new channel in the last 6 mos. for true crime stories. It
> does have some network re-runs of 48 Hours [CBS], but lots are FBI
> cases, and other shows like "Forensic Files" on Tru TV. This is a
> Discovery channel, called "Investigation Discovery". Have you watched it?
<<
Oh, yeah, all the time. I think I have something on my DVR from it from last
night, even. I love seeing all of those 48 Hours there!
PJ
>
> - Show quoted text -
My niece came to visit last spring and got me hooked on ID. I'd never
heard of it till then. Now I start my days with a little coffee and a
little "murder and mayhem". What could be better? LOL!
PJ
chicagofan
> On Dec 29, 3:54�pm, chicagofan<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> I found a new channel in the last 6 mos. for true crime stories. �It
>> does have some network re-runs of 48 Hours [CBS], but lots are FBI
>> cases, and other shows like "Forensic Files" on Tru TV. �This is a
>> Discovery channel, called "Investigation Discovery". � Have you watched it?
>>
>>
> heard of it till then. Now I start my days with a little coffee and a
> little "murder and mayhem". What could be better? LOL!
>
> PJ
>
I can't think of a thing, unless there's something good on Animal
Planet. ;)
bj