AMC:Give Bianca a girlfriend already!!!!!
Jim Summers87
being a lesbian story to grab up a few ratings points and yet when it comes
right down to it, they WILL NOT EVER allow her to have a lesbian kissing scene.
My feelings are that she should be treated equally and allowed to have lovers
and it be seen on camera or else the whole "Bianca's a lesbian" storyline was
something which they never should have started if they aren't willing to carry
it out to it's natural conclusion.
Cara1158
the storyline behind it is that Bianca has feelings for Maggie. I keep hoping
that, if Bianca were to confess her feelings to Maggie, maybe Maggie would
reciprocate, and they'd have a little summer romance of their own.
If they never give Bianca a love life, I will be really and truly ticked off.
Why did they even bother making her character a lesbian, then?! In this day
and age, no one will raise an eyebrow at such a storyline, in fact, we'd
appreciate it more than them sweeping under the rug as they have.
Cindi
Bunchieface
That would be the MOST watched episode of daytime tv ever. Binky and
her lover kissing and fade to black.....
Donna L. Bridges
from the heat, in Msg.# <3d5d988a...@news.supernews.com>,
pats...@notmsn.com (Patricia Martin Steward) gasped out:
>On 16 Aug 2002 00:59:01 GMT, cara...@aol.com (Cara1158) wrote:
>
>>ITA!!!! This stuff lately with her trying to fix up Maggie & Tim, *you know*
>>the storyline behind it is that Bianca has feelings for Maggie. I keep hoping
>>that, if Bianca were to confess her feelings to Maggie, maybe Maggie would
>>reciprocate, and they'd have a little summer romance of their own.
>
>Gosh, I hope not. Maggie's made it pretty clear she's not gay, and
>I'd hate to perpetuate the old "recruitment" myth.
No worries there! And, I so totally agree. Not Maggie! And, it won't
be Maggie.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"In order to serve its purpose, a vision has to be a shared vision. "
- Warren Bennis
Ciroce
>Date: Fri, Aug 16, 2002 20:30 EDT
>Message-id: <986rlu8saahcgulll...@4ax.com>
>
>In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:28:32 GMT exhausted
>from the heat, in Msg.# <3d5d988a...@news.supernews.com>,
>pats...@notmsn.com (Patricia Martin Steward) gasped out:
>
>>On 16 Aug 2002 00:59:01 GMT, cara...@aol.com (Cara1158) wrote:
>>
>>>ITA!!!! This stuff lately with her trying to fix up Maggie & Tim, *you
>know*
>>>the storyline behind it is that Bianca has feelings for Maggie. I keep
>hoping
>>>that, if Bianca were to confess her feelings to Maggie, maybe Maggie would
>>>reciprocate, and they'd have a little summer romance of their own.
>>
>>Gosh, I hope not. Maggie's made it pretty clear she's not gay, and
>>I'd hate to perpetuate the old "recruitment" myth.
>
>No worries there! And, I so totally agree. Not Maggie! And, it won't
>be Maggie.
>
>
Hmm...how can you be so sure? I thought that Maggie's protestations when
Bianca touched her face were in a 'lady doth protest too much' vein.
She hasn't accepted a single date from a guy since arriving in Pine
Valley...has been lukewarm towards Tim and outright rejected Trey. She's
admitted to feeling a connection with Bianca. Heck, they went to the prom
together (as friends, and it was a phantom prom, but still...)
What is the *point* of Maggie, if not to be Bianca's love interest? Are they
really going to introduce another character, in an already top-heavy cast? The
two actresses have excellent chemistry...not something easily reproduced. Why
not take advantage of that?
What's the point of Tim (other than the convenient organ donation)? He's not
going to be a permanent cast member, is he? ::shudder:: I hope that he's here
as a catalyst, in his own smarmy way, to bring Binks and Maggie together. I
think they'd make an adorable couple.
In any case, it's definitely past time for Bianca to have a girlfriend! If
Agnes Nixon really is back, then we have something to look forward to. She did
an amazing job writing Bianca's story the first time around.
Marie
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <20020817023828...@mb-mp.aol.com>,
cir...@aol.com (Ciroce) gasped out:
>>From: Donna L. Bridges <shall...@rcn.com>
>>No worries there! And, I so totally agree. Not Maggie! And, it won't
>>be Maggie.
>
>Hmm...how can you be so sure?
EH wasn't brought back on as Maggie to be gay, at all, to be a love
interest for Maggie, at all, period, was never planned & isn't going
to happen. No matter how much some fans try to fantasize it, so,
they'd perhaps better turn to fanfic if Maggie & Bianca is a must to
them.
>She hasn't accepted a single date from a guy since arriving in Pine
>Valley...has been lukewarm towards Tim and outright rejected Trey.
I believe the story right now is dealing with her lack of a 'man' and
with her admitting her attraction to Tim to Bianca, and to herself &
the audience.
>What is the *point* of Maggie, if not to be Bianca's love interest?
EH was hired as Frankie to tease the Bianca storyline but more
importantly to be killed, foster a murder mystery & add connections
into the Proteus storyline. By the time that had come about they had
sorta fallen in love with EH & wanted to be able to use her, so they
wrote Maggie.
>Are they really going to introduce another character, in an already top-heavy cast?
Going to? They already have. But, of course, I don't see AMC's cast as
top-heavy.
>What's the point of Tim (other than the convenient organ donation)? He's not
>going to be a permanent cast member, is he? ::shudder:: I hope that he's here
>as a catalyst, in his own smarmy way, to bring Binks and Maggie together. I
>think they'd make an adorable couple.
Nope. And, Tim's back as a member of the Dillon family.
>In any case, it's definitely past time for Bianca to have a girlfriend! If
>Agnes Nixon really is back, then we have something to look forward to. She did
>an amazing job writing Bianca's story the first time around.
She is back & she knows what she wants to write for Bianca & how &
it's not a romance between Maggie & Bianca. Thank goodness. High time
Bianca was clear on being friends with straight girls & dating gay
girls. And, just the right time for her to have another real romance.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"Oh Buffy, you really do need to have every square inch of your ass
kicked." - Willow Rosenberg BtVS
Ciroce
>>Hmm...how can you be so sure?
>
>EH wasn't brought back on as Maggie to be gay, at all, to be a love
>interest for Maggie, at all, period, was never planned & isn't going
>to happen. No matter how much some fans try to fantasize it, so,
>they'd perhaps better turn to fanfic if Maggie & Bianca is a must to them.
Wow. How...patronizing. I can see that you have some understandably strong
feelings about this storyline. But unless you have Ms. Nixon on your
speed-dial, feeding you future storylines, we'll have to agree to differ here.
>I believe the story right now is dealing with her lack of a 'man' and
>with her admitting her attraction to Tim to Bianca, and to herself &
>the audience.
That's certainly one possibility, though not a very compelling one. If Maggie
really has the hots for Tim, I'm not seeing it. That intangible 'chemistry'
thing is missing.
I believe it's equally possible that Maggie is using Tim as a cover to avoid
confronting any feelings for Bianca. It's got to be difficult for her...not
only the gay thing (she's obviously got some issues there), but also the fact
that Binks loved her dead twin sister. How soap opera can you get? I love it.
Her scenes with Bianca on Thursday were interesting. At first she expressed
annoyance and curiosity toward Bianca-- What's with all the bread-and-butter,
Tim-and-Maggie matchmaking?
When that got her nowhere, Maggie brought up the kiss. I got the feeling that
she mentioned it to test Bianca, see what her reaction would be. Almost trying
to make her jealous, to get *some* kind of honest reaction.
>She is back & she knows what she wants to write for Bianca & how &
>it's not a romance between Maggie & Bianca. Thank goodness. High time
>Bianca was clear on being friends with straight girls & dating gay
>girls. And, just the right time for her to have another real romance.
I agree that it's time for Bianca to have a romance, be it with Maggie or some
other great girl.
I don't think the storyline between Bianca and Maggie is as black-and-white as
you believe (unless you really DO have Agnes Nixon on your speed-dial-- in that
case, I'm all ears!)
We shall see in the weeks to come, I suppose...
Marie
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <20020817151249...@mb-fn.aol.com>,
cir...@aol.com (Ciroce) gasped out:
>Wow. How...patronizing.
Wow, what an ... interesting way to see things.
>I can see that you have some understandably strong
>feelings about this storyline. But unless you have Ms. Nixon on your
>speed-dial, feeding you future storylines, we'll have to agree to differ here.
No matter what, we can agree to disagree, no problem.
>That's certainly one possibility, though not a very compelling one. If Maggie
>really has the hots for Tim, I'm not seeing it. That intangible 'chemistry'
>thing is missing.
But, you heard this week's dialogue, regardless of one's take on
'chemistry'. As to someone having the hots for someone, no, I don't
think that's what we're seeing either, as opposed to Maggie interested
in Tim & toying with that as an idea & as a possibility, at the same
time that her friendship with Bianca grows.
>Her scenes with Bianca on Thursday were interesting.
As I noted in another thread I began right after watching that
episode, yeah, I take this as a typical soap sign of what is to come &
I couldn't be more tickled, more hopeful, more filled with
anticipation & anxiety.
>I don't think the storyline between Bianca and Maggie is as black-and-white as
>you believe (unless you really DO have Agnes Nixon on your speed-dial-- in that
>case, I'm all ears!)
>
>We shall see in the weeks to come, I suppose...
Yes, that's so. We'll see. It is, of course, possible that everything
reliably said about EH & Frankie & Maggie from the past & Agnes & her
plans & now & the future could have been off or could have changed, as
appropriate. That's always the way with info about soaps.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"Most success comes from ignoring the obvious." - Trevor Holdsworth
Damn Skippy
news:20020817151249...@mb-fn.aol.com...
> Her scenes with Bianca on Thursday were interesting. At first she
expressed
> annoyance and curiosity toward Bianca-- What's with all the
bread-and-butter,
> Tim-and-Maggie matchmaking?
> When that got her nowhere, Maggie brought up the kiss. I got the feeling
that
> she mentioned it to test Bianca, see what her reaction would be. Almost
trying
> to make her jealous, to get *some* kind of honest reaction.
That was my take on the scene as well. Maggie hardly appears to be able to
tolerate him. I think the little coo and twirl she made when he asked her
to dance was also done to gauge Bianca's reaction, as it's quite out of
character for her. They've written Maggie Stone to be pretty intuitive.
> I don't think the storyline between Bianca and Maggie is as
black-and-white as
> you believe...
Me neither. If the writers are just teasing us that's fine. But I'd like
to think this is good, subtle writing.
Ed
>
>That was my take on the scene as well. Maggie hardly appears to be able to
>tolerate him. I think the little coo and twirl she made when he asked her
>to dance was also done to gauge Bianca's reaction, as it's quite out of
>character for her. They've written Maggie Stone to be pretty intuitive
What about that nauseating comment she made about wanting to kiss him?
>
>> I don't think the storyline between Bianca and Maggie is as
>black-and-white as
>> you believe...
>
>Me neither. If the writers are just teasing us that's fine. But I'd like
>to think this is good, subtle writing.
>
>
If Bianca ever gets a girlfriend, I would guess that this person would be
recurring, and not a major character.
Rick Kitchen
> EH wasn't brought back on as Maggie to be gay, at all, to be a love
> interest for Maggie, at all, period, was never planned & isn't going
> to happen. No matter how much some fans try to fantasize it, so,
> they'd perhaps better turn to fanfic if Maggie & Bianca is a must to
> them.
You do tend to write in absolutes, as if you have inside information
that doesn't seem to pan out, don't you?
Rick Kitchen
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <300060c7.02081...@posting.google.com>,
corv...@hotmail.com (Rick Kitchen) gasped out:
Sometimes I am writing from the point of view of information that is
just that. But, no, as to not panning out, generally I find that it
does. Other times I'm writing from knowledge about what has already
happened that I suppose some people would consider 'inside'. Me, I
just consider it interesting to have the chance to learn about things,
often moreso about what's already happened than what is going to
happen. But, write in absolutes, nyah. It's not a big deal to me to
make a prediction that has a basis or to say why but it's also not a
big deal to me to say, oops, or sorry, or even wow, they sure fooled
us on that one, didn't they?! I'm just not as wrapped up in some
things as some others may be.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"Are you channeling your father now?! Are you morphing into Alan?!!" -
Harley to Phillip, GL 7-15-02
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <20020818024658...@mb-cp.aol.com>,
eesoa...@aol.com (Ed) gasped out:
>If Bianca ever gets a girlfriend, I would guess that this person would be
>recurring, and not a major character.
This is, of course, not at all what the scuttlebutt says is going to
happen. But, it also hasn't happened yet.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"Man is what he believes." - Anton Chekhov
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when they cast the just right Amanda Dillon- she will be Bink's one true
love, forever and ever!!!Do you like them apples?
Donna L. Bridges
exhausted from the heat, in Msg.#
Gran...@webtv.net (startrek granny) gasped out:
Yes, that's the scuttlebutt & that's why I'm worried about the
NuAmanda. Seems like the kind of thing, from casting to re-intro to
actual writing of romance that could be delectable but also could be
disastrous! I wasn't aware that any soapmags had picked it up yet, but
soap mag online, I guess then maybe SID has scooped themselves again.
LOL
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"You don't like me, do you? That's okay, most people don't." - Kendall
to Chris, AMC, March 2002
Anthony D. Langford
>NuAmanda. Seems like the kind of thing, from casting to re-intro to
>actual writing of romance that could be delectable but also could be
>disastrous! I wasn't aware that any soapmags had picked it up yet, but
>soap mag online, I guess then maybe SID has scooped themselves again.
>LOL
>
the Dillion family around, especially since they were central characters in the
gay storyline involving Micheal, Kevin and Laurel being murdered. We know how
Trevor reacted to Mike being gay, though he came to grudingly accept it. How
would he feel about his daughter being a lesbian? What about Janet? I have no
idea how she'd react. And well, it would be cool to see Michael Delaney and
Kevin again. Despite what soaps might have you think, most towns have more
than one gay person. In fact, I'd be that most people know more than one gay
person who may or may know one another. Or am I wrong?
Anthony D. Langford
Creator and Writer of Covington Bay--An Online Soap Opera
Check it out at: http://www.covingtonbay.com
Rick Kitchen
It would be nice if you prefaced your predictions with some indication
that it's just your opinion, instead of Received Wisdom From On High.
Rick Kitchen
Rick Kitchen
And your prediction on who the Avatar was on PC didn't pan out, did it?
Rick Kitchen
Donna L. Bridges
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>I like the idea... but to me, the story looses it's punch without the rest of
>the Dillion family around, especially since they were central characters in the
>gay storyline involving Micheal, Kevin and Laurel being murdered. We know how
>Trevor reacted to Mike being gay, though he came to grudingly accept it. How
>would he feel about his daughter being a lesbian? What about Janet? I have no
>idea how she'd react. And well, it would be cool to see Michael Delaney and
>Kevin again. Despite what soaps might have you think, most towns have more
>than one gay person. In fact, I'd be that most people know more than one gay
>person who may or may know one another. Or am I wrong?
Yes, since Janet & Trevor are both supposed to be returning
temporarily I've been thinking a LOT about how homophobic Trevor might
be *if* this comes to pass! And, yes, since it's Amanda & we know her,
saw her grow up, last saw her as a precocious 12 year old, sure, it
opens up so many possibilities in reactions we can't necessarily
predict: Janet, Hayley, ... I can't imagine that they would bring back
either Michael or Kevin, although I would LOVE to see Kevin again,
under almost any pretext. And, as to the last I know that we don't see
everyone who lives in Pine Valley all the time so I really don't have
a lot of problem with that suspension of disbelief, usually.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"You know it's bad when Taggert tells you to chill." - Mac, GH, 9/7/99
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <300060c7.02081...@posting.google.com>,
corv...@hotmail.com (Rick Kitchen) gasped out:
>It would be nice if you prefaced your predictions with some indication
>that it's just your opinion, instead of Received Wisdom From On High.
Well, often, of course, like anyone else here I do use 'IMO'
indicators. Most of what is posted here is opinion, so that it is such
is really the default position unless we're talking about issues of
fact versus opinion, which I don't think you are. But, I assure you I
have never prefaced any of my own opinions as 'Received Wisdom From On
High'. But, honestly, if you have trouble telling what's what with
what I post & it fills you with this much concern, I encourage you not
to read what I post. I do the best I can with what I'm working with &
at times am using very intentional phrasing & at times am just posting
however it comes out. It's an informal medium that works best with
give and take. But, my best often isn't good enough for you. And,
that's just life, isn't it? The tradition of Usenet would suggest you
should put me in a killfile. <G>
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"Let the mayhem begin." - Alan GH
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <300060c7.02081...@posting.google.com>,
corv...@hotmail.com (Rick Kitchen) gasped out:
>And your prediction on who the Avatar was on PC didn't pan out, did it?
Not so far. I've already said that I've still got people telling me
that the tale is not told yet. I hesitate to say more outside of
spoiler space in PC turf, but, then, I have nothing new to say that I
haven't already said except that I can't see how it could be so & am
interested in seeing it unfold whichever way it may go.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"Will it be a traditional family dinner, Mother, with forks on the
left and knives in the back?" - Stefan to Helena with Stavros confined
to a chair, GH, Oct. 2001
Witchy Way
Wormwood
Langford) wrote:
>>NuAmanda.
My prediction is that Amanda Dillion will come to Pine Valley, become
interested in Bianca (and hopefully she won't be hopelessly sexually
ambivalent like Frankie Stone, so we won't have to waste months with
Bianca helping to "bring her out" of the closet), and Maggie Stone
will get jealous. Then it'll be deja vu all over again with Devon
McFadden & Lynn what's-her-name (Donna Pescow), only this time there
won't be any AMC powers that be running scared & forced to nix the
storyline almost before it starts due to outside pressure from
thumpers, phobes, spineless sponsors, etc.
-worm
Remove YOURPANTIES before emailing me
Ed
>
>My prediction is that Amanda Dillion will come to Pine Valley, become
>interested in Bianca (and hopefully she won't be hopelessly sexually
>ambivalent like Frankie Stone, so we won't have to waste months with
>Bianca helping to "bring her out" of the closet), and Maggie Stone
>will get jealous. Then it'll be deja vu all over again with Devon
>McFadden & Lynn what's-her-name (Donna Pescow), only this time there
>won't be any AMC powers that be running scared & forced to nix the
>storyline almost before it starts due to outside pressure from
>thumpers, phobes, spineless sponsors, etc.
Wasn't the Pescow story always planned to pan out the way it did?
As for thumpers, phobes, spineless sponsors, they're still there, still
dominating, perhaps more now than they were back then. I doubt Bianca would
ever be allowed to have any semblance of a real relationship, aside from hugs.
walt
> ...I doubt Bianca would ever be allowed to have any semblance
> of a real relationship, aside from hugs...
Hmm. Well, if Bianca marries her girlfriend right away, that
would certainly eliminate any possibility of sex from the
relationship, which should keep the bluenoses happy ;-)
--
In fact, it would even eliminate the hugs.
Wormwood
> I doubt Bianca would
>ever be allowed to have any semblance of a real relationship, aside from hugs.
Still, those Binky babydyke hugs are wickedly intense & satisfying
(and that kiss on the cheek when Bianca gave Frankie her cherished
locket, and that eye contact, oh my!), and almost make you believe AMC
can pull off a young lesbian-in-love/lust storyline without the
traditional soap opera face sucking to show romantic heat. Almost.
Marie
>My prediction is that Amanda Dillion will come to Pine Valley, become
>interested in Bianca (and hopefully she won't be hopelessly sexually
>ambivalent like Frankie Stone, so we won't have to waste months with
>Bianca helping to "bring her out" of the closet), and Maggie Stone
>will get jealous. Then it'll be deja vu all over again with Devon
>McFadden & Lynn what's-her-name (Donna Pescow), only this time there
>won't be any AMC powers that be running scared & forced to nix the
>storyline almost before it starts due to outside pressure from
>thumpers, phobes, spineless sponsors, etc.
>
>-worm
Great prediction ;) I'd love to see someone chase Bianca for a change. It's
silly that such a desirable woman would be lonely and always pining away after
girls who aren't interested. Of course, I'd have to root for Maggie and Binks
to get together in the end after Maggie comes to her senses.
I have this crazy hopeful feeling that maybe, for once, there will actually be
a real romance. One where both parties are interested and no one gets
murdered, gets married, goes nuts, or skips town.
It's tough to say how much physical affection ABC/Disney will allow. In some
ways, Disney is progressive (being one of the first to offer domestic partner
benefits)...and in other ways, they're very conservative (can you say six
nights a week of "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?") I'd like to see some
indication that Bianca and her girl do more than hold hands, skipping and
singing "tra-la-la." Maybe some clothed snuggling and chaste kisses (you know
the ones with strategically placed hair and hands, so no one can actually see
the lip action). I guess it all depends on whether the powers that be get some
guts and take that leap of faith. I think the general public is more open
minded than the TV execs believe.
I read this article the other day about British television:
"The taboo against depictions of lesbianism on British popular television
was broken most famously in 1994, when two young women, played by Anna
Friel and Nicola Stephenson, kissed passionately in the Channel 4 soap
opera Brookside."
Perhaps AMC could be the first soap to break that taboo here in the US...
Marie
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <20020819141518...@mb-fv.aol.com>,
cir...@aol.combust (Marie) gasped out:
>Great prediction ;) I'd love to see someone chase Bianca for a change. ...
I'd love it, too, and, it would make things easier in a way if that
special someone is any younger than Binks at all.
>"The taboo against depictions of lesbianism on British popular television
>was broken most famously in 1994, when two young women, played by Anna
>Friel and Nicola Stephenson, kissed passionately in the Channel 4 soap
>opera Brookside."
Yeah, I really want to see the upcoming BBC2 show! Caught that
reference in the article about it, too! I hadn't realized the Brit
soap history on it.
>Perhaps AMC could be the first soap to break that taboo here in the US...
I'm there ... if it's well done.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"The substance of our lives is woman. All other things are
irrelevancies, hypocrisies, subterfuges. We sit talking ... & all the
while our hearts are filled with memories of women & the capture of
women." - George Moore CONFESSIONS OF A YOUNG MAN [1888]
Wormwood
>"The taboo against depictions of lesbianism on British popular television
>was broken most famously in 1994, when two young women, played by Anna
>Friel and Nicola Stephenson, kissed passionately in the Channel 4 soap
>opera Brookside."
I think "Oranges Aren't The Only Fruit" came out a few years earlier
on "british popular television" and showed more than just two young
women kissing passionately, unless they mean british popular
television as in English daytime soap operas. I just saw the previews
for tomorrow's AMC (August 20), and it looks like Bianca & Maggie are
getting closer. I'm picking up a heavy duty crush vibe from Maggie
towards Binky these days, and felt a slight shock that the person
Maggie was speaking to in the teaser was none other than Bianca. I
thought it was Trey or some guy at first. Both girls were wet and in
bikinis, having just emerged from the water like baby venuses on the
half-shell, or at least young Ladies of The Lake. Now if you'll
excuse me, I must go let out a huge cheer before I burst.
Donna L. Bridges
from the heat, in Msg.# <grf2mu4898htfeqr1...@4ax.com>,
Wormwood <tantalusY...@xoasis.com> gasped out:
>I think "Oranges Aren't The Only Fruit" came out a few years earlier
>on "british popular television" and showed more than just two young
>women kissing passionately, unless they mean british popular
>television as in English daytime soap operas.
It is mentioned in the same article as the other quote. Love it. Have
it on VHS, takes 2 tapes.
>I just saw the previews
>for tomorrow's AMC (August 20), and it looks like Bianca & Maggie are
>getting closer. I'm picking up a heavy duty crush vibe from Maggie
>towards Binky these days, and felt a slight shock that the person
>Maggie was speaking to in the teaser was none other than Bianca. I
>thought it was Trey or some guy at first. Both girls were wet and in
>bikinis, having just emerged from the water like baby venuses on the
>half-shell, or at least young Ladies of The Lake. Now if you'll
>excuse me, I must go let out a huge cheer before I burst.
I went wild.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"Hit your lines and say your marks." - Lee Marvin
Susan Barnett
corv...@hotmail.com wrote on 8/18/02 6:43 PM:
I'm not sure why you're jumping on Donna. I've made predictions here that
didn't pan out, too. Should I refrain from making any predictions from now
on? And I really don't think Donna writes as if her words were coming from
On High, as you said. If she wants to write her thoughts and opinions about
the shows -- just like the rest of us do -- what's the problem? I think
she's one of the more interesting and literate among us.
I just don't understand why you're suddenly getting your knickers in a twist
over her comments. She's said nothing inflammatory, as far as I can see.
Susan
Donna L. Bridges
In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:09:41 -0400 exhausted
from the heat, in Msg.# <grf2mu4898htfeqr1...@4ax.com>,
Wormwood <tantalusY...@xoasis.com> gasped out:
>I think "Oranges Aren't The Only Fruit" came out a few years earlier
>on "british popular television" and showed more than just two young
Well, I tried to e-mail you a copy of the full article about this BBC
production that was quoted here but I must not have reckoned something
quite right, so here are just the relevant paragraphs:
>Jane Root, the BBC2 controller, and Sally Head, the executive producer,
>have defended the decision not to cut Tipping the Velvet. A spokesman
>said: “It’s ground-breaking drama, but this is BBC2.”
>
>Previous lesbian scenes on the BBC involved little but kissing and brief
>bedroom encounters in dramas such as Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit, the
>1990 adaptation of Jeanette Winterson’s semi-autobiographic novel.
>Portrait of a Marriage, a drama about the lives of Vita Sackville-West and
>Harold Nicholson, included the rape of one woman by another. A Village
>Affair, taken from Joanna Trollope’s book, featured a fling between
>characters played by Sophie Ward and Kerry Fox. There were also brief
>lesbian scenes in Kay Mellor’s women’s football drama, Playing the Field.
>
>The taboo against depictions of lesbianism on British popular television
>was broken most famously in 1994, when two young women, played by Anna
>Friel and Nicola Stephenson, kissed passionately in the Channel 4 soap
>opera Brookside.
I guess that the distinction they're making is found in the
tantalizing brief phrase 'broken most famously'. I'm guessing they got
people's attention.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"No urban night is like the night [in NYC] ... here is our poetry, for
we have pulled down the stars to our will." - Ezra Pound, poet and
critic, 9/18/1912, reflecting on New York City
Marie
>for tomorrow's AMC (August 20), and it looks like Bianca & Maggie are
>getting closer. I'm picking up a heavy duty crush vibe from Maggie
>towards Binky these days, and felt a slight shock that the person
>Maggie was speaking to in the teaser was none other than Bianca. I
>thought it was Trey or some guy at first. Both girls were wet and in
>bikinis, having just emerged from the water like baby venuses on the
>half-shell, or at least young Ladies of The Lake. Now if you'll
>excuse me, I must go let out a huge cheer before I burst.
>
>-worm
Woo hoo, I just saw the preview myself and I can't wait for tomorrow! There
are definitely some sparks flying between them.
Rick Kitchen
> I'm not sure why you're jumping on Donna. I've made predictions here that
> didn't pan out, too. Should I refrain from making any predictions from now
> on? And I really don't think Donna writes as if her words were coming from
> On High, as you said. If she wants to write her thoughts and opinions about
> the shows -- just like the rest of us do -- what's the problem? I think
> she's one of the more interesting and literate among us.
>
> I just don't understand why you're suddenly getting your knickers in a twist
> over her comments. She's said nothing inflammatory, as far as I can see.
I have no problems with predictions, right or wrong. I make them all
the time. The problem is that Donna writes all of her predictions as
if she has inside knowledge. She makes bald-faced statements as if
she KNOWS something and she won't share.
Rick Kitchen
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <300060c7.02082...@posting.google.com>,
corv...@hotmail.com (Rick Kitchen) gasped out:
>Susan Barnett <slbw...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<B986C0BE.6C71%slbw...@earthlink.net>...
>> I just don't understand why you're suddenly getting your knickers in a twist
>> over her comments. She's said nothing inflammatory, as far as I can see.
>
>I have no problems with predictions, right or wrong. I make them all
>the time. The problem is that Donna writes all of her predictions as
>if she has inside knowledge. She makes bald-faced statements as if
>she KNOWS something and she won't share.
I was afraid of this. Susan thanks for that post. Rick, if this is
what this has all been about, I'm shocked that you'd think I write
anything ALL one way. I write some things this way, some things that.
And, I will absolutely put my record for sharing up there with anyone
else's. Plus, even this evil that you accuse me of, even if true, it's
not inflammatory & it's not attacking anyone else here, or in any way
at all anything but personal style, like it or not, which is a choice
anyone can make, we all do make it with each other all the time. Yet
we rarely see people take other's to task because they don't post this
way or that way. But, if this is now going to be an even more rude
dissection of me, would you take it to e-mail? There are some
discussions that clearly belong in private, not in public. You've made
it more than clear that you have things with some people & what they
post & how. I hardly see any purpose here in this. This is not
RATSRick'spersonalfeelings about other posters & how they post. Nor is
it RATStakeDonnaapart. Usenet, killfiles, they work. More than enough
already, Rick. It's old & boring & was uncalled for, ever. Please.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"Beer is the Danish national drink & the Danish national weakness is
another beer." - Clementine Paddleford, 1964
Susan Barnett
corv...@hotmail.com wrote on 8/20/02 1:15 PM:
I guess you and I just interpret her comments differently. I don't get that
feeling from her at all. But...reasonable minds can differ!
Susan
walt
> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on 20 Aug 2002 13:15:02 -0700 exhausted from
> the heat, in Msg.# <300060c7.02082...@posting.google.com>,
> corv...@hotmail.com (Rick Kitchen) gasped out:
>
> >...The problem is that Donna writes all of her predictions as
> >if she has inside knowledge. She makes bald-faced statements as if
> >she KNOWS something and she won't share.
> I was afraid of this...
I dropped out of this group many months ago after getting in a bit of
a tiff with another poster who felt that I did *exactly* the same thing
Rick is complaining about.
She and I finally kissed (via email only) and made up--but it upset
me enough that I stayed away for a long while--and I don't see her
posting here lately either. It was a shame for both of us--and all
over nothing, really.
It's not worth getting in a fuss over, honest! If you were face-
to-face instead of keyboard-to-console I'll bet this misunderstanding
would not be happening and you'd both be having fun dishing the dirt.
Please be patient with each other--it feels s-o-o-o much better than
fighting.
--
And to prove it, I'm going to buy my wife some flowers...but not
until she takes back that catty remark about Alicia's hair...
squeakinby
"Patricia Martin Steward" <pats...@notmsn.com> wrote in message
news:3d65caae...@news.supernews.com...
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:03:48 GMT, Susan Barnett
> <slbw...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >in article 300060c7.02082...@posting.google.com, Rick Kitchen
at
> >corv...@hotmail.com wrote on 8/20/02 1:15 PM:
> >
> did, that there was inside knowledge involved. Zokay by me, though.
I thought Mary "Let's Call Her EEK" Pelis had all the inside information!
She's got all the jokes. At least all the ones I want to steal!
Robin --I'll take my spam on wry, please, hold the mayo.
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <20020815202044...@mb-mk.aol.com>,
jimsum...@aol.com (Jim Summers87) gasped out:
> I can't believe the half-assed way that the writers manipulated the Bianca
>being a lesbian story to grab up a few ratings points and yet when it comes
>right down to it, they WILL NOT EVER allow her to have a lesbian kissing scene.
Going back to the original post here, I don't think that this is what
they did. I think that the Bianca coming out storyline was cutting
edge, was revolutionary for soaps, was well done & was undertake at
great risk. If they'd wanted to grab up a few ratings points & not
actually cared about telling the story, they'd have done some more
over the top sensationalized crap for fun fun fun, not a serious
social issue storyline, not in today's climate. Plus, I think that the
15-ish months we had of it was soooo well-written & soooo well-acted,
ditto for producing & directing even costuming!
> My feelings are that she should be treated equally and allowed to have lovers
>and it be seen on camera or else the whole "Bianca's a lesbian" storyline was
>something which they never should have started if they aren't willing to carry
>it out to it's natural conclusion.
Well, so far, I wouldn't say that. I'm glad that they did Bianca
coming out, period. No, I don't want them to ruin it. Nor do I want
them to just drop it now & have Bianca wander off into the mist. what
they don't do today or, heaven forbid, what they could do wrong today,
may affect whether I continue watching, but it won't cause me to go
back & regret the good stuff already done.
And, frankly, if we applied that standard to soaps all the time we
would forever be seeing some good storylines which we would later have
to change to bad!
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"If you have a Hungarian for a friend you don't need any enemies." -
Hungarian proverb
Donna L. Bridges
from the heat, in Msg.# <D9A89.2312$Hr.24...@kent.svc.tds.net>,
"squeakinby" <squea...@tds.net> gasped out:
>"Patricia Martin Steward" <pats...@notmsn.com> wrote in message
>news:3d65caae...@news.supernews.com...
>> True, and just for the record I got the same impression that Rick
>> did, that there was inside knowledge involved. Zokay by me, though.
>
>I thought Mary "Let's Call Her EEK" Pelis had all the inside information!
>She's got all the jokes. At least all the ones I want to steal!
>
>Robin --I'll take my spam on wry, please, hold the mayo.
I admit it, mary is my source. LOL I've been found out! Wait, now,
there are so many marys maybe there's still a chance ...
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"This is sass, right? You're sassing me ..." - The American President
(1995)
Ed
to Maggie, the memories of Frankie and the temptation to confuse the two
sisters, etc. This story almost seems cruel in a way.
Eden has run hot and cold in the past, but she's breaking my heart with this
story.
carolyn collins
Rick Kitchen wrote:
> Donna L. Bridges <shall...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<hruslu8s6rdpo2tdg...@4ax.com>...
> > EH wasn't brought back on as Maggie to be gay, at all, to be a love
> > interest for Maggie, at all, period, was never planned & isn't going
> > to happen. No matter how much some fans try to fantasize it, so,
> > they'd perhaps better turn to fanfic if Maggie & Bianca is a must to
> > them.
>
> You do tend to write in absolutes, as if you have inside information
> that doesn't seem to pan out, don't you?
>
> Rick Kitchen
Hi EveryBUDy!!!!!! Long time no chat!
Speaking of absolutes, is Jack still around AMC? I'm really curious! I was just thinking about him last nite
and how I met him once at his comedy show and gave him my napkin to wipe his sweat on and saved it for ?????
don't know how long.
The DIVA FORMERLY KNOWN AS CAZ
carolyn collins
walt wrote:
Is that you, Walt Willey??????????????????
The Diva formerly known as Caz
carolyn collins
Dean Wormer
Said with verve:
>My feelings are that she should be treated
>equally and allowed to have lovers and it be
>seen on camera or else the whole "Bianca's a
>lesbian" storyline was something which they
>never should have started if they aren't willing
>to carry it out to it's natural conclusion.
I say, to heck with Bi-naca. Let's get ME a girlfriend. Lesbian, if
necessary. Not picky.
And when we're through with me, we'll get you one, too. - Todd Rundgren.
(Paraphrased)
Bob
========================================
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
- Dean Vernon Wormer -
Scott Lindstrom
>
> I say, to heck with Bi-naca. Let's get ME a girlfriend. Lesbian, if
> necessary. Not picky.
>
> And when we're through with me, we'll get you one, too. - Todd Rundgren.
> (Paraphrased)
Change your name to LeRoy first.
scott
--
Scott S. Lindstrom | A lawyer can be disbarred; Can
sco...@ssec.wisc.edu | a meteorologist be disgusted?
http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~scottl/homepage1.html
walt
> walt wrote:
>
> Is that you, Walt Willey??????????????????
Sorry to disappoint. He's the funny one with the high-paying job.
--
And I'm the good-looking one ;0)
Donna L. Bridges
from the heat, in Msg.# <3D6521F6...@ssec.wisc.edu>, Scott
Lindstrom <sco...@ssec.wisc.edu> gasped out:
>Dean Wormer wrote:
>> I say, to heck with Bi-naca. Let's get ME a girlfriend. Lesbian, if
>> necessary. Not picky.
>>
>> And when we're through with me, we'll get you one, too. - Todd Rundgren.
>> (Paraphrased)
>
>Change your name to LeRoy first.
LeRoy, boy, is that you?
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"A cucumber should be well sliced, and dressed with pepper and
viniger, and then thrown out, as good for nothing." - Samuel Johnson
Rick Kitchen
Hey, Caz! Glad to see you!
Jack was at Brooke and Edmund's wedding today.
SPOILERS:
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I read a spoiler that Jack will be getting a love interest soon, and
that his daughter has been recast.
Rick Kitchen
Donna L. Bridges
from the heat, in Msg.# <3D64F941...@mtl.mit.edu>, carolyn
collins <zacc...@mtl.mit.edu> gasped out:
>Hi EveryBUDy!!!!!! Long time no chat!
Hey, CAZ, I can't ever get used to that other name.
>Speaking of absolutes, is Jack still around AMC? I'm really curious!
Yeah, me, too, he's one of the people I am trying to find out about,
as in what happened to the storyline he was supposed to be in that
vanished? I'm hoping it has just been postponed when they got all
their timing off from delaying Maureen/Maria.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"In the case of good books, the point is not how many of them you can
get through, but rather how many can get through to you." - Mortimer
Adler
Donna L. Bridges
the heat, in Msg.# <86it27t...@hotmail.com>, walt
<wa1...@hotmail.com> gasped out:
>Hmm. Well, if Bianca marries her girlfriend right away, that
>would certainly eliminate any possibility of sex from the
>relationship, which should keep the bluenoses happy ;-)
You're so funny! LOL First of all, Bianca & her girlfriend can't get
married legally so surely they can just be a couple & still have lots
of sex!! I assume you're going from the idea that married people on
soaps don't have it, anyway.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"During state of national emergency resulting from enemy attack, the
essential functions of the Service will be as follows: (1) assessing,
collecting, and recording taxes..." - Internal Revenue Service
Handbook, 1976
walt
> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on 19 Aug 2002 05:31:45 -0700 exhausted from
> the heat, in Msg.# <86it27t...@hotmail.com>, walt
> <wa1...@hotmail.com> gasped out:
>
> >Hmm. Well, if Bianca marries her girlfriend right away, that
> >would certainly eliminate any possibility of sex from the
> >relationship, which should keep the bluenoses happy ;-)
>
> You're so funny! LOL First of all, Bianca & her girlfriend can't get
> married legally...
I've never understood what people have against same-sex marriage.
Why should gay people have more fun than the rest of us?
> ...I assume you're going from the idea that married people on
> soaps don't have it, anyway.
Um...huh? Oh, were we talking about soaps?
--
Just kidding, honey! Ow! That hurt...
The Anti-Corporate Outlaw
> >Yes, that's the scuttlebutt & that's why I'm worried about the
> >NuAmanda. Seems like the kind of thing, from casting to re-intro to
> >actual writing of romance that could be delectable but also could be
> >disastrous! I wasn't aware that any soapmags had picked it up yet, but
> >soap mag online, I guess then maybe SID has scooped themselves again.
> >LOL
> >
> I like the idea... but to me, the story looses it's punch without the rest of
> the Dillion family around, especially since they were central characters in the
> gay storyline involving Micheal, Kevin and Laurel being murdered. We know how
> Trevor reacted to Mike being gay, though he came to grudingly accept it. How
> would he feel about his daughter being a lesbian? What about Janet?
You do know that Janet was known for years as "Janet From Another
Planet". Well, if NuManda goes gay, Janet might go so crazy that
"Janet From Another Planet" would be the understatement of the last
500 years. :-)
newby
dde03e24.02082...@posting.google.com, "The Anti-Corporate Outlaw"
<anticor...@aol.com> wrote:
I'd think it would be so cool if Janet and EEK's daughters were to become a
couple. Janet and EEK have a long relationship. Their last escapade
together, killing Dr. Kinder, was so long ago, it would be great to have
their friendship continue.
Donna L. Bridges
from the heat, in Msg.# <B9913DEF.7B45%ne...@notsoyahoo.com>, newby
<ne...@notsoyahoo.com> gasped out:
>I'd think it would be so cool if Janet and EEK's daughters were to become a
>couple. Janet and EEK have a long relationship. Their last escapade
>together, killing Dr. Kinder, was so long ago, it would be great to have
>their friendship continue.
It was briefly a delicious idea for Erica & Brooke to have daughters
who were lovers but now, ... Janet & Erica's daughters? I'm just not
sure. LOL
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel/Yahoo Msgr 8^>
"You can be a victor without having victims." - Harriet Woods