OLTL: Kevin fired

[JBrantley]

Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.

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[Kate the Short]

On 7 Feb 1998 17:59:02 GMT, JBr...@flunk.ku.edu (JBrantley) wrote:

>Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.

YOW.

Source?

kate.

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[Wendy Wagner]

On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, Kate the Short wrote:

> On 7 Feb 1998 17:59:02 GMT, JBr...@flunk.ku.edu (JBrantley) wrote:
>
> >Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.
>
> YOW.

And herein lies the answer to the question, "Who is Tim Gibbs replacing?"

Jill fooled us, huh? ;) I'd picked Drew, but maybe she's keeping that role
open for Kevin McClatchey.

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[AWFB]

Maybe that is the role that Tim Gibbs is taking over.

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Kate the Short <ka...@enteract.com> wrote in article
<34dfaca4...@news.enteract.com>...

> On 7 Feb 1998 17:59:02 GMT, JBr...@flunk.ku.edu (JBrantley) wrote:
>
> >Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.
>
> YOW.
>

[Susan Richmond]

On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 18:50:26 GMT, ka...@enteract.com (Kate the Short)
wrote:

>On 7 Feb 1998 17:59:02 GMT, JBr...@flunk.ku.edu (JBrantley) wrote:
>
>>Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.
>
>YOW.
>
>Source?

The president of his fan club has confirmed it.:-( What are they
thinking!! The role of Joey may need recasting, but not Kevin. If they
were bringing back Kirk Geiger, I wouldn't be as upset, but this is
just stupid. OLTL needs to concentrate on continuity and history right
now. Getting rid of new characters like Dorothy and Ian is one thing,
but recasting major characters is not the way to go in my opinion. If
this is what Jill Farren Phelps has in store for the show, I wished
she'd leave now before completely destroying it! This sucks!!

Susan

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[Maggoo]

JBr...@flunk.ku.edu (JBrantley) wrote:

>Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.

All I know is that Kevin was fired and is already replaced with an
actor from a soap that JFP previously worked on.

[AWFB]

Well if you read the posts on this newsgroup, you would know more already.
It is Tim Gibbs from Another World, as has been discussed in at least four
other posts. But be forewarned. This is JFP's MO, firing actors and
bringing in her own favorites.

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[Angela Earlye]

In article <34ddfa05...@news.webspan.net>,

su...@webspan.net (Susan Richmond) wrote:
>now. Getting rid of new characters like Dorothy and Ian is one thing,
>but recasting major characters is not the way to go in my opinion. If
>this is what Jill Farren Phelps has in store for the show, I wished
>she'd leave now before completely destroying it! This sucks!!

ITA... they need to work on giving their talented cast material worthy of
them. The Labines have practically ruined Kevin with their characterization
and by turning him simply into Cassie's little cheerleader. Anybody notice
how entertaining he's been since Cassie left for Canton! There was nothing
wrong with this Kevin that a real story couldn't fix.

Angela

[Adrian]

On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:42:22 -0600, djm...@mindspring.com (maryb)
could possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:

>In article <Pine.SUN.3.94.980207...@panix3.panix.com>,
>Wendy Wagner <we...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, Kate the Short wrote:

>>
>> > On 7 Feb 1998 17:59:02 GMT, JBr...@flunk.ku.edu (JBrantley) wrote:
>> >
>> > >Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.
>> >

>> > YOW.
>>
>> And herein lies the answer to the question, "Who is Tim Gibbs replacing?"
>

>I don't get it. Stapleford was the best Kevin since K. Geiger. What
>the f*&^? This makes five adult Kevins, now, which begs the question:
>
>How many Kevin Buchanons does it take to change a light bulb?

I think the question is, how many toy-boys does it take to satisfy
JFP?

*pout*

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[Pig28let]

>
>>Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.
>

>All I know is that Kevin was fired and is already replaced with an
>actor from a soap that JFP previously worked on.
>
>
>

I like Tim Gibbs, but I think he's too old to be playing Viki's son...it looks
like JFP has begun to screw up OLTL, just like she did AW...

Diana

[AWFB]

>
> I like Tim Gibbs, but I think he's too old to be playing Viki's son...it
looks
> like JFP has begun to screw up OLTL, just like she did AW...
>
> Diana

and you are surprised?

[Carolyn Adams]

, pig2...@aol.com says...

>I like Tim Gibbs, but I think he's too old to be playing Viki's son...it looks
>like JFP has begun to screw up OLTL

He's way too old. RealKevin was born in 1976, making him 22
now. He was aged 3 years in the storyline, making him 25. Timothy
Gibbs is about a decade too old for Kevin. Could he be replacing
anotther actor?

I remember Timothy Gibbs from Santa Barbara. Nothing against
him as an actor, but he was in a rotten storyline that I hated there.
Gibbs is an attractive, exciting man, kind of the poor man's Kevin
Costner, but cast him as a rapist (SB) or miscast him as Kevin
Reilly Buchanan, and I have no interest in watching him.

--Carolyn

[Fifique]

Before you jump to conclusions about how Tim would be in the role of Kevin or
any other, how about giving him the benefit of the doubt?

Tim is a very talented actor, capable of playing many different types of
characters in a varitey of age groups. He has a large following on AW and
would be sure to bring new viewers to OLTL or any other show....something all
soaps badly need right now.

I appreciate how hard it can be accepting a re-cast but it's hardly fair or
productive to decry an actor before he's been given a chance to prove himself.

JMO,
Fiona
Timothy Gibbs Page at: http://users.aol.com/fifique/tim

[DonnaB]

In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Sun, 08 Feb 1998 01:19:10 GMT,
mag...@mindspring.com (Maggoo) stopped & looked both ways before
saying:

| JBr...@flunk.ku.edu (JBrantley) wrote:
|
| >Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.
|
| All I know is that Kevin was fired and is already replaced with an
| actor from a soap that JFP previously worked on.

Actually, not meaning to split hairs but possibly doing so, wouldn't
that be from 2 shows JFP previously worked on? Didn't she bring Tim
Gibbs to AW after working with him on SB (Santa Barbara's Dash)? :^>

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[Kessham]

>
>Actually, not meaning to split hairs but possibly doing so, wouldn't
>that be from 2 shows JFP previously worked on? Didn't she bring Tim
>Gibbs to AW after working with him on SB (Santa Barbara's Dash)? :^>
>
>--
>DonnaB-Shallot

Hi all! I've never been here before, but I'm a big fan of Tim Gibbs from
Another World. I can understand how everyone feels to have a well-liked actor
suddenly replaced with someone else. I don't quite understand myself why Tim
would want to take on a role this way, but I hope you'll give him a chance.
He's a wonderful actor and, at 30, would not be too old for the role. I'd also
like to clear up one misconception -- he was already on Another World when JFP
came aboard as EP. She didn't bring him on. However, I know how much she
likes him as an actor and I'm not at all surprised that she wooed him away
from AW (whose ship is sinking rapidly, BTW, in the opinion of this long-time
fan). As for me, I'm going to be looking forward to discovering OLTL, now
that TG is there.
Sandy

[Fifique]

<<Didn't she bring Tim Gibbs to AW after working with him on SB (Santa
Barbara's Dash)? :^> >>

Actually, Tim was hired to AW while John Valente was still exec. producer--JFP
took over a little while later after Tim was already there.

Fiona
-- Tim Gibbs Page at http://users.aol.com/fifique/tim

[Fifique]

>>Hi all! I've never been here before, but I'm a big fan of Tim Gibbs from
Another World. I can understand how everyone feels to have a well-liked actor
suddenly replaced with someone else. >>

>He's a wonderful actor and, at 30, would not be too old for the role. I'd

also like to clear up one misconception -- he was already on Another World when
JFP came aboard as EP >>

Hey Sandy! Nice to see you over here.....I guess we've found a fun new place
to hang out.<g>

Of course, you know, I CAM with your statements. Tim is oozing with talent and
will do a great job for OLTL (or whatever other show he chooses to move onto).

[Jamie]

On 8 Feb 1998 06:56:25 GMT, ear...@ccnet.com (Angela Earlye) wrote:

>ITA... they need to work on giving their talented cast material worthy of
>them. The Labines have practically ruined Kevin with their characterization
>and by turning him simply into Cassie's little cheerleader. Anybody notice
>how entertaining he's been since Cassie left for Canton! There was nothing
>wrong with this Kevin that a real story couldn't fix.

ITA^2. (that's squared. <G>) I've enjoyed Kevin Stapleton's
portrayal of Kevin B. I've not enjoyed what they've done to Kevin,
tho. I don't like this decision, not at all.

So, this new dude is a boy toy of the producer? Is that what I'm
getting from these posts?

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[Allynn Wilkinson]

JBrantley wrote:
>
> Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.
>

> --
> JBrantley

Oh this *is* bad news for OLTL. I've pretty muched stopped watching
altogether but I was reserving judgement on JFP. I never really Maxine
Lev

[Allynn Wilkinson]

JBrantley wrote:
>
> Kevin Stapleton has been fired and will be leaving in March.
>
> --
> JBrantley

Oh this *is* bad news for OLTL! I've just about stopped watching
altogether but I was reserving judgement on JFP. I never really liked
Maxine Levinson much (especially after she fired Thom Christopher) so I
thought maybe a new Exec Prod would be a good idea. WRONG!

I'm not a huge Kevin Stapleton fan but I have enjoyed him as Kevin (and
he was starting to work well with "New Joey-Joe" too).

Anyone still think it's too early to start beating the death knell for
OLTL? It's been borderline unwatchable for the better part of three
years *despite* the fact that it has a truly gifted cast. It's really
sad to watch one of my favorite soaps in so much trouble (which probably
explains why I *don't* watch anymore).

Allynn
OLTL meets the Iceberg (again!)

[Susan Richmond]

On 8 Feb 1998 15:36:57 GMT, fif...@aol.com (Fifique) wrote:

>Before you jump to conclusions about how Tim would be in the role of Kevin or
>any other, how about giving him the benefit of the doubt?

Well, I tried to give JPF the benefit of the doubt and look what's
happened so far.

>
>Tim is a very talented actor, capable of playing many different types of
>characters in a varitey of age groups. He has a large following on AW and
>would be sure to bring new viewers to OLTL or any other show....something all
>soaps badly need right now.

I agree completely, he is a very talented actor, I liked him on SB
despite his characters actions, but he's just not Kevin. What you have
to understand is that Kevin has been recast sooooooo many times, now
that we finally have one who is "Kevin", those of us who like him
don't want to lose him. I would love to have Tim Gibbs come on as any
other character, if he can do an English accent, he could be the new
Ian.

>
>I appreciate how hard it can be accepting a re-cast but it's hardly fair or
>productive to decry an actor before he's been given a chance to prove himself.

If Tim Gibbs becomes the new Kevin, I'm sure we'll all do our best to
give him a chance. After seeing what the fans of ATWT did to Susan
Batten, I would hope none of us here would be so rude or so cruel. But
I do think TPTB at OLTL are making a mistake recasting the role of
Kevin.

[Allynn Wilkinson]

Fifique wrote:
>
> Before you jump to conclusions about how Tim would be in the role of Kevin or
> any other, how about giving him the benefit of the doubt?
>

> I appreciate how hard it can be accepting a re-cast but it's hardly fair or
> productive to decry an actor before he's been given a chance to prove himself.
>

> JMO,
> Fiona
> Timothy Gibbs Page at: http://users.aol.com/fifique/tim

Well you're certianly right about giving the guy a chance. GH fans (at
least most of them) have finally come to accept our newest little AJ.
But I think part of the problem isnt' with Tim Gibbs per se... it's with
the idea that JFP would fire Kevin Stapleton (who is well liked and has
become accepted in the role).

"Kevin Buchannon" has always been a real 'revolving door' character.
It's hard for audiences to really like Kevin when he wears a new face
every year or so. If Tim Gibbs is coming on as Kevin Buchannon then I
wish him the best of luck (with a reminder not to get *too* comfortable
or unpack!). I'm afraid the (few remaining) OLTL fans will roast him
alive. They hated Stapleton when he first came on the show and he was
replacing one of the worst Kevin's ever! This is *not* the sort of
publicity OLTL needs at the moment.

When GH got rid of Sean Kanan they really had very little choice.
Fortunately that worked out well for the show and (I hope) for both
actors involved. I have a feeling OLTL is not gonna be that lucky with
this re-cast.

Allynn

[DonnaB]

In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on 8 Feb 1998 16:20:13 GMT, fif...@aol.com
(Fifique) stopped & looked both ways before saying:

| Actually, Tim was hired to AW while John Valente was still exec. producer--JFP
| took over a little while later after Tim was already there.

Thanks for clarifying, but I did want to mention Tim's role as Dash
since I know there are many ex-SB fans over here who would remember
him well from that role. (Not that he was any kind of bad guy on AW,
just a complicated normal guy.)

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[DonnaB]

In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on 8 Feb 1998 15:13:46 GMT, ca...@enter.net
(Carolyn Adams) stopped & looked both ways before saying:

| He's way too old. RealKevin was born in 1976, making him 22
| now. He was aged 3 years in the storyline, making him 25. Timothy
| Gibbs is about a decade too old for Kevin. Could he be replacing
| anotther actor?

Maybe. It sure seems coincidental that news of Tim definitely not
returning to AW once his contract was up & definitely moving onto OLTL
but not able to say anymore until the OLTL actor knew they were out,
... with the Kevin S/Kevin Buchanan situation, but, literally, sure,
we COULD be jumping the gun that Tim will be adult Kevin Buchanan #5
(Is it 5 or 6?). Good point, Carolyn. And, I'm sure confirmation will
be forthcoming soon, one way or another.

| I remember Timothy Gibbs from Santa Barbara. Nothing against
| him as an actor, but he was in a rotten storyline that I hated there.

Oooh, me, too, I hated Dash!! But, it was the character. Gary Sinclair
was much different from Dash & whomever he plays on OLTL will likely
be very different again from both Dash & Gary.

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[AWFB]

I think OLTL fans should give Tim a chance to get into the role. You may
find you like him. I am sorry he is leaving AW, but wish him well in his
new adventure.

Because there was a dig against AW made here, I just have to say that I
think it is improving a lot (but has a LONG way to go). You guys are also
getting Kale Browne from AW. I wouldn't be surprised to see Anna Kathryn
Holbrook return to OLTL and I would bet that David Forsyth joins the cast
once his gig on AMC is over.

Tom

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Fifique <fif...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980208162...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> <<Didn't she bring Tim Gibbs to AW after working with him on SB (Santa
> Barbara's Dash)? :^> >>
>

> Actually, Tim was hired to AW while John Valente was still exec.
producer--JFP
> took over a little while later after Tim was already there.
>
>

> Fiona
> -- Tim Gibbs Page at http://users.aol.com/fifique/tim
>

[Pig28let]

>. I can understand how everyone feels to have a well-liked actor

>suddenly replaced with someone else. I don't quite understand myself why Tim
would want to take on a role this way, but I hope you'll give him a chance.

He's a wonderful actor and, at 30, would not be too old for the role.

I like Tim Gibbs, I agree, he is a very good actor and I think it's great that
he's coming to OLTL....but if he is there to replace Kevin Stapleton in the
role of Kevin Buchanan, then, even at the age of 30, Tim is too old to place
Kevin B.

I hope that we have all jumped to the wrong conclusion and that Tim is not
replacing anyone, but playing someone totally new, because, I think he's also
too old to play Drew Buchanan.

Diana

[James Lima]

Susan Richmond wrote in message <34e0e8f8...@news.webspan.net>...

>
>
>If Tim Gibbs becomes the new Kevin, I'm sure we'll all do our best to
>give him a chance. After seeing what the fans of ATWT did to Susan
>Batten, I would hope none of us here would be so rude or so cruel. But
>I do think TPTB at OLTL are making a mistake recasting the role of
>Kevin.
>
>Susan
>
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As a (former) ATWT fan I have to take issue with this. Most of us thought
that Susan was a fairly good actress, but she was completly and utterly
miscast as Conner Walsh, and the powers that be performed a ruthless
character assasination, as well as a lobotomy, on one of the more liked and
established characters on the show.

Having said that, I agree that Kevins character seems to be in a rut, and
even though I think that better material and a breakup with Cassie would
probably solve his problems, I am willing to give Tim Gibbs a chance, if he
is in fact going to be the new Kevin

[Carolyn Adams]

><<Didn't she bring Tim Gibbs to AW after working with him on SB (Santa
>Barbara's Dash)? :^> >>

You can't blame JFP for Dash. She was gone by the time
that storyline (and Timothy Gibbs) showed up. That storyline was
one of the things that convinced me Santa Barbara's ship was
sinking. The writers had no interest in the wonderful characters
that were on the canvas; instead, they brought in some young
studs and titillating storylines, and totally trashed what was unique
amd excellent about SB. I believe it was Conboy who was EP
when Gibbs was there. At least, I think it was before Rauch, and
it doesn't sound much like Pam Long, either. The character of
Julia Wainwright was assassinated there, and Dash, her rapist,
was treated like a sex symbol. I think Julia's much older sister
actually slept with him afterwards -- no woman EP would have
allowed that story. No woman writer would have written it --
had to be Conboy in charge, because Julia's sister was history
the moment Rauch showed up. Ooh, that was a terrible period.

Conboy's the one who ruined SB, and JFP knows it. She was the one
who was displaced when the show was good, so that Conboy could
run it into the ground.

Having had these lessons from time and time again, you'd think JFP
would realize how important character, history, and consistency
are to a show. If she kills off the Mo Bauer type on this show,
that would be Viki, and there goes the franchise. At that point, they
might as well close the door, as there'll be No Life to Live.

--Carolyn (who hopes TG is not playing Kevin) Adams

[Susan Richmond]

On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:18:55 -0800, "James Lima"
<jcl...@worldnett.att.net> wrote:

>
>As a (former) ATWT fan I have to take issue with this. Most of us thought
>that Susan was a fairly good actress, but she was completly and utterly
>miscast as Conner Walsh, and the powers that be performed a ruthless
>character assasination, as well as a lobotomy, on one of the more liked and
>established characters on the show.

I apologize then to most of the ATWT fans, but I saw some posts that
were absolutely and completely cruel, things that personally hurt her
enough to complain about it to the magazines. Susan Batten herself
said "[ATWT fans] are so mean about me. They say such rude things [on
the Internet] and talk in such bad language about me replacing
Allyson." My point was that although I may be very unhappy about the
recast, I will certainly give him a chance to prove what he can do
with the role. The "rule" here on RATSA is to not say things about the
actor or actress which will be personally hurtful, unfortunately that
definitely isn't the case everywhere

.

[WinDKa]

>I agree completely, he is a very talented actor, I liked him on SB
>despite his characters actions, but he's just not Kevin. What you have
>to understand is that Kevin has been recast sooooooo many times, now
>that we finally have one who is "Kevin", those of us who like him
>don't want to lose him. I would love to have Tim Gibbs come on as any
>other character, if he can do an English accent, he could be the new
>Ian.

Well I never saw this "Kevin" as "Kevin". . to me Kirk Geiger was Kevin. Its
nothing against the actor but this Kev always seemed like a spoiled brat. which
is not something that a can see Viki allowing her children to behave like as
they grew up. (I have the same problem with this Joey. . . .spoiled)

SCROLL

Ian won't be recast . . he is being killed in a plane crash and they find the
body.

[WinDKa]

>I like Tim Gibbs, I agree, he is a very good actor and I think it's great
>that
>he's coming to OLTL....but if he is there to replace Kevin Stapleton in the
>role of Kevin Buchanan, then, even at the age of 30, Tim is too old to place
>Kevin B.
>
>

He not to old to be playing Kevin. . . ..if you go from the time that Kevin was
really born then Cassie is way to old for him because she used to babysit for
him. Plus Kevin was aged more than just 3 years when Kirk Geiger took over the
role as the 1st adult Kevin .

Kevin and Todd were at Llanview U together and Todd is 28. RH is 28 or 29. I
don't see a problem age wise with Tim Gibbs being 30.

[AWFB]

Well first of all Tim Gibbs IS playing Kevin. The actor who currently
plays Kevin has already confirmed this.

JFP also allowed beloved Frankie Frame to be murdered on Another World.
Whenever she needs to reduce cast, she seems to find a murderer to do the
dirty deed.

Some of her followers think that she "learned her lesson." Let's hope so.

[comput...@mindspring.com]

win...@aol.com (WinDKa) wrote:

>Well I never saw this "Kevin" as "Kevin". . to me Kirk Geiger was Kevin. Its
>nothing against the actor but this Kev always seemed like a spoiled brat. which
>is not something that a can see Viki allowing her children to behave like as
>they grew up. (I have the same problem with this Joey. . . .spoiled)

I agree. Kirk Geiger was Kevin and (ohmigosh I am drawing a blank) the
last regular guy who was on (oh, yeah, Nathan Fillion) was THE Joey.
Have not been able to get into these characters with the new actors.

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[Tante Joan]

On 8 Feb 1998 10:07:00 -0700, jam...@primenet.com (Jamie) wrote:

>On 8 Feb 1998 06:56:25 GMT, ear...@ccnet.com (Angela Earlye) wrote:
>
>>ITA... they need to work on giving their talented cast material worthy of
>>them. The Labines have practically ruined Kevin with their characterization
>>and by turning him simply into Cassie's little cheerleader. Anybody notice
>>how entertaining he's been since Cassie left for Canton! There was nothing
>>wrong with this Kevin that a real story couldn't fix.
>
>ITA^2. (that's squared. <G>) I've enjoyed Kevin Stapleton's
>portrayal of Kevin B. I've not enjoyed what they've done to Kevin,
>tho. I don't like this decision, not at all.
>
>So, this new dude is a boy toy of the producer? Is that what I'm
>getting from these posts?
>

No, you're getting Adrian's joke, based on previous posts about JPF's
penchant for dating her male stars. I'm guilty of promoting that
tale, but I am also pretty sure I know who JPF is seeing, and has seen
for over a year, and it is not Timothy Gibbs.

-- TJ

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[Tante Joan]

On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 06:22:54 GMT, gobo...@alphalink.com.au (Adrian)
wrote:

>>> And herein lies the answer to the question, "Who is Tim Gibbs replacing?"
>>
>>I don't get it. Stapleford was the best Kevin since K. Geiger. What
>>the f*&^? This makes five adult Kevins, now, which begs the question:
>>
>>How many Kevin Buchanons does it take to change a light bulb?
>
>I think the question is, how many toy-boys does it take to satisfy
>JFP?
>
>*pout*
>
>ADRIAN DOWN-UNDER-ZEMAN
Actually, Adrian, Tim Gibbs isn't JPF's boy toy. He's a pretty good
actor (with a pretty good looking brother I wouldn't mind having as my
boy toy). Jill's taste in men is reputed to be in a slightly older
category than Gibbs. But after seeing TG's butt in the AW tub last
year, hey -- what's wrong with being gorgeous and talented.

And, for the record, I will be delighted to see the last of
Stapleton's bulging eyes. He improved considerably during his tenure,
but he never lost that habit of thrusting his eyeballs into the
viewer's lap in every scene. Yech.

[Jamie]

On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:40:05 GMT, tan...@mail.airmail.net (Tante Joan)
wrote:

>No, you're getting Adrian's joke, based on previous posts about JPF's
>penchant for dating her male stars. I'm guilty of promoting that
>tale, but I am also pretty sure I know who JPF is seeing, and has seen
>for over a year, and it is not Timothy Gibbs.

Thanks, TJ.

I still don't like it. :(

[Jamie]

On 8 Feb 1998 15:36:57 GMT, fif...@aol.com (Fifique) wrote:

>Before you jump to conclusions about how Tim would be in the role of Kevin or
>any other, how about giving him the benefit of the doubt?

No. <g> I don't want to. If TPTB are messing with Kevin's age, even
more than they already have, I'm not obligated to give another actor a
chance. I gave Kevin Stapleton a chance, and the guy before him,
liked Kirk Geiger, didn't like the guy before that. I'm tired of the
revolving door on Kevin's bedroom. I like Kevin Stapleton and we
certainly haven't been given a reason for his replacement. Did he
walk-off the job, was he repeatedly late, did he bitch-out a camera
man? Probably not, someone just decided that another actor should be
used, and =ping= we have a new Kevin Buchanon.

I don't like it. It has nothing to do with this Tim-guy, who I've
never seen before. I don't know him from Adam. (Not Chandler) I
suppose he'll do a great job, but it's another change. A change with
no apparent reason - at lease from this viewer's eyes.

So, sorry, I'm not inclined to give Tim a chance.

[Jamie]

On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:18:55 -0800, "James Lima"
<jcl...@worldnett.att.net> wrote:

>Having said that, I agree that Kevins character seems to be in a rut, and
>even though I think that better material and a breakup with Cassie would

Problem is, the character being in a rut has nothing to do with the
actor - that's the writers.

How 'bout they fire the writers and get better (and older) ones. <G>
Maybe if they get writers that are about 10 years older than they're
supposed to be, it'll make a difference.....

Just as crazy a sentence as assuming that a new actor will help with
Kevin's rut - to me.

[Jamie]

On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:57:14 GMT, cava...@alltel.net (DonnaB) wrote:

>Actually, not meaning to split hairs but possibly doing so, wouldn't

>that be from 2 shows JFP previously worked on? Didn't she bring Tim

>Gibbs to AW after working with him on SB (Santa Barbara's Dash)? :^>

OK, now this is making me sick..... We're getting another Kevin
because JFP brings this guy with her everywhere? What the hell is
that?!

I was giving JFP the benefit of the doubt with the "Killer" posts, cuz
I really don't follow Behind the Scenes that closely. THIS, however,
has put a really bad taste in my mouth.

[DonnaB]

In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on 9 Feb 1998 08:24:01 -0700,
jam...@primenet.com (Jamie) stopped & looked both ways before saying:

| OK, now this is making me sick..... We're getting another Kevin
| because JFP brings this guy with her everywhere? What the hell is
| that?!

As it turns out, no, someone else hired him onto both SB & AW. Just
coincidence that I found suspicious, but it would appear that
coincidences really do happen, at least in the somewhat inbred world
of daytime TV. <G> Sorry to alarm you further. I've been nicely
corrected elsewhere in the thread.

| I was giving JFP the benefit of the doubt with the "Killer" posts, cuz
| I really don't follow Behind the Scenes that closely. THIS, however,
| has put a really bad taste in my mouth.

I really recommend that people do give her a chance, etc. She does
like to bring on people she's worked with before, but she's not alone
in liking that. And, she will have some energizing ideas initially
probably. She could even form some kind of opposites attract alliance
I suppose with the Labines & they could provide maximum SWATCH & she
could provide maximum externalized excitement.

Otherwise, you can also probably count on some interesting production
numbers, montages, etc. She's good at it. On AW it got real tiresome
to have the most dramatic, esthetically pleasing funerals anywhere
anytime because we got sick of the dying, not because they weren't
well-staged.

--
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ICQ#308592 <*> Playing Now: The 60s!

"A Valentine From Charles and Victoria: Couplets, Romance and Life Beyond Another World" in chat on Saturday, February 14th at 5 pm ET/2 pm PT.

[Teresa Barton]

In article <19980208153...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, fif...@aol.com
says...

>
>Before you jump to conclusions about how Tim would be in the role of Kevin or
>any other, how about giving him the benefit of the doubt?
>

>Tim is a very talented actor, capable of playing many different types of
>characters in a varitey of age groups. He has a large following on AW and
>would be sure to bring new viewers to OLTL or any other show....something all
>soaps badly need right now.
>

>I appreciate how hard it can be accepting a re-cast but it's hardly fair or
>productive to decry an actor before he's been given a chance to prove himself.
>

I don't think anyone was trashing him as an actor. I went tot he web page
and from what I could tell he was much too old to play Kevin. IMO.

BTW, it is much easier to read your responses when you reply at the
end of the quoted text, instead of at the beginning.

--
Teresa t-ba...@ti.com NSP: flame protecting CB until 2/20/98.
FGCO Sonny & Brenda: Keeper of the dark passion
FGC Alexis: Keeper of the inner softness
PBSDT Private 1st class: Keeper of the blender
FGC Luke: Keeper of the binoculars
FOC Kelly: Keeper of the updated wardrobe

[Nicole Ammann]

: The president of his fan club has confirmed it.:-( What are they
: thinking!! The role of Joey may need recasting, but not Kevin. If they
: were bringing back Kirk Geiger, I wouldn't be as upset, but this is
: just stupid. OLTL needs to concentrate on continuity and history right
: now. Getting rid of new characters like Dorothy and Ian is one thing,
: but recasting major characters is not the way to go in my opinion. If
: this is what Jill Farren Phelps has in store for the show, I wished
: she'd leave now before completely destroying it! This sucks!!

Actually, I think Don Jeffcoat has brought alot to the role of Joey - I never
liked Nathan Fillion. Did JFP ever work on AW? If so, maybe her master plan
is to bring former AW actors onto OLTL thereby gaining new viewers. Here AW
and OLTL are on opposite one another, so maybe she's just trying to improve
the neilsens.

Nicole

[Tante Joan]

On 9 Feb 1998 07:57:00 -0700, jam...@primenet.com (Jamie) wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:40:05 GMT, tan...@mail.airmail.net (Tante Joan)
>wrote:
>
>>No, you're getting Adrian's joke, based on previous posts about JPF's
>>penchant for dating her male stars. I'm guilty of promoting that
>>tale, but I am also pretty sure I know who JPF is seeing, and has seen
>>for over a year, and it is not Timothy Gibbs.
>
>Thanks, TJ.
>
>I still don't like it. :(

As is your right. And the more I think about it, the age is all
wrong. Which is not to say that Kevin couldn't be SORASed again, or
the adult equivalent, but I doubt ES would be too happy over that one.
She always looks older than she is. Imagine my shock to learn that
she is one year younger than I am, when I'd always assumed she was 5
years older.
Tante "and I'm no fountain of youth" Joan

[AmandaES21]

>From: ca...@enter.net (Carolyn Adams)

>The character of
>Julia Wainwright was assassinated there, and Dash, her rapist,
>was treated like a sex symbol. I think Julia's much older sister
>actually slept with him afterwards -- no woman EP would have
>allowed that story. No woman writer would have written it --
>had to be Conboy in charge, because Julia's sister was history
>the moment Rauch showed up. Ooh, that was a terrible period.

If I'm not mistaken, Louise Sorel either walked, or was fired because she
absolutely *hated* this storyline and said so. I can't say I blame
her---although SB was never the same without her.

>Having had these lessons from time and time again, you'd think JFP
>would realize how important character, history, and consistency
>are to a show. If she kills off the Mo Bauer type on this show,
>that would be Viki, and there goes the franchise. At that point, they
>might as well close the door, as there'll be No Life to Live.

I seriously doubt JFP would be *stupid* enough to kill off Viki---she's been a
central character for years, correct? JFP's track record for killing off
characters on AW is highly exaggerated. She's remembered for being the one to
kill off Frankie Frame, when that wasn't the case. Her idea was to make a
long-term character a murderer---which would have enraged fans of that
character, but been a heck of a storyline twist. It was the headwriter
(affectionately known as Margaret DeBeast) who made the final decision to kill
Frankie instead. I loved the character of Frankie and the actress, but the
fact was that she hadn't had a front-burner story in about two years. JFP did
*not* get rid of core families---she *did* backburner several of the usual
front burner characters and actors; however, they'd been involved in a
front-burner storyline for a *long* time. And IMO, after that storyline, I was
happy to see them backburnered for awhile.

What JFP *did* do was to take a show that had begun to flounder, and make it
totally exciting again---I used to rush back to my dorm after class to watch my
tape every day. She created my all-time favorite couple, and took risks. What
she did may not have agreed with *every* fan; however, popular to contrary
belief, the ratings *did* rise with her tenure.

I'm not coming in here to invade OLTL as a JFP-defender, so I apologize if
that's what it seems like:-). However, there have been so many *negative* JFP
posts by non-OLTL fans, I thought you might like to hear a different point of
view. I've watched OLTL sporadically throughout my lifetime(my mom's a viewer
and I've been tuning in when I can to catch Dorian---I love Robin Strasser!)
and do plan on tuning in full-time from now on.

Amanda

[Kessham]

Beautifully said, Amanda. I really enjoyed AW when she was EP and she didn't
create, but certainly nurtured my favorite soap couple of all time -- Josie and
Gary.

Don't believe all the crap you hear about her from some disgruntled AW fans who
hated the fact that she put their particular favorites on the back burner for
awhile. The way they go on, you'd think the woman was the AntiChrist.

I'm looking forward to watching OLTL as soon as Tim Gibbs gets there.

Sandy

[DonnaB]

In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on 10 Feb 1998 02:04:25 GMT,
amand...@aol.com (AmandaES21) stopped & looked both ways before
saying:

[snipping agreement with you & Carolyn et al about SB]

| ... She's remembered for being the one to

| kill off Frankie Frame, when that wasn't the case.

She is remembered for much much more than this, her part in one of the
deaths during her tenure at AW. There's no real need to go into the
specifics of certain characters & storylines that would be of no
interest here especially when one view just invites another, etc. She
wanted to kill Donna Hudson & they said she couldn't so she picked
Frankie instead & then later even changed her mind on that. Yadda
Yadda, Frankie, Donna, etc. have no meaning here outside of laborious
context that's not needed & I'm sure not welcome.

| she did may not have agreed with *every* fan; however, popular to contrary
| belief, the ratings *did* rise with her tenure.

She got the demographics up briefly, but as I have said since she
attacks superficial problems with surface solutions, it didn't last.
Again, I compare her to many Sales Managers I know who got bonuses but
left no lasting gains, instead actually leaving a greater deficit.
YMMV, as I know it does.

And, yes, Dorian of late has been unbelievable.

[Carolyn Adams]

In article, amand...@aol.com says...

>
>>From: ca...@enter.net (Carolyn Adams) (regarding SB)

>>The character of Julia Wainwright was assassinated there, and Dash, her rapist,
>>was treated like a sex symbol. I think Julia's much older sister
>>actually slept with him afterwards -- no woman EP would have
>>allowed that story. No woman writer would have written it --
>>had to be Conboy in charge, because Julia's sister was history
>>the moment Rauch showed up. Ooh, that was a terrible period.
>
>If I'm not mistaken, Louise Sorel either walked, or was fired because she
>absolutely *hated* this storyline and said so. I can't say I blame
>her---although SB was never the same without her.
>

The gossip about why Sorrell fled so rapidly has nothing to do with
the storyline. It's just rumor, and I'm one who doesn't like to spread
rumor on the internet if I can help it. Suffice it to say, it doesn't
reflect badly on Sorrell, but suggests power can corrupt, even in
soap opera. Like we didn't know that already.

SB never was the same without her. Nor was it ever the same without
Justin Deas. Which apparently is why the last moments of SB found
Gina dancing with Lionel.

"Dash" etc. truly was a wretched wretched storyline. No doubt about it.

>>Having had these lessons from time and time again, you'd think JFP
>>would realize how important character, history, and consistency
>>are to a show. If she kills off the Mo Bauer type on this show,
>>that would be Viki, and there goes the franchise. At that point, they
>>might as well close the door, as there'll be No Life to Live.
>
>I seriously doubt JFP would be *stupid* enough to kill off Viki---she's been a
>central character for years, correct?

Mo Bauer refers to a central character on Guiding Light whose demise
can be blamed on JFP. Maureen was not as integral to GL as Viki is
to OLTL. IMO, Viki is the heart of this show, and without her, there is
no show. Viki is the only central heroine left in soap opera, as far as I
can tell. It was a medium that traditionally was written around a central
heroine, particularly on radio. That structure continued into televised soap
opera, and Grandma Bauer of GL was another good example of that.
Maureen Bauer was her daughter in law; in fact, just one of many daughters
in law. However, she was a salt of the earth character, with morals and
scruples, and a sense of morality and integrity. These are things that used
to be the heart of soap opera, usually personified in a central heroine. A
Mother Courage. A Viki Lord Riley Buchanan. To a lesser extent, a Maureen
Bauer.

Maureen Bauer is the one JFP killed off. That is the one thing she has ever
done in soap opera which I consider inexcusable. I don't know enough or
care enough about AW to comment about what she did there. I never
heard anything as bad there as what I saw her do on GL. Jill Farren Phelps
is no neophyte to soap opera. She's been in it a long time, and in my
view, has done very good work there. But for her not to understand one
of the essentials of the genre, such as is epitomized by killing off Maureen
Bauer, gives me great pause. You don't kill off middle class morality. You
don't kill off Mother Courage. You don't kill off Viki Lord Riley. It is
unthinkable. It's like killing off hope.

My comment you quote was a reductio ad absurdum argument. I know
JFP would never kill off Viki, (unless Erika gets her kids into college and
wants to go back to theater.) My problem is still what she did on GL. Maureen
Bauer wasn't one tenth the importance to GL that Viki is to OLTL. But
if she could base killing off that kind of character on a tiny one time
focus group, you have to wonder if she "gets" it. The big picture. Why
people watch soap opera.

The reason I watch ABC soaps is that they were created and are often
still monitored by people who do get it. Agnes Nixon for one. While at
her worst, she can be sentimental to a cloying fault, creating maudlin
melodrama, at her best she can soar the heights of real emotion. In Agnes'
world, good triumphs over evil. It is a simplistic approach perhaps, but
a winning one. If that isn't the basis of a soap opera, I don't want to
watch it. Agnes created OLTL and AMC, and helped with GH. Sometimes
those elements are in place, just as she set them up.

I ceased to watch OLTL when someone was put in charge who didn't
"get it". That was Linda Gottlieb. IMO, though they've tried, noone
yet has gotten "it" back at OLTL. JFP is not a Linda Gottlieb, who was
a destroyer of the genre. JFP may be someone who can take the genre
to the next millenium. But if she is to do it, she has to learn her lessons
a lot better than that. You don't kill off hope.

Kevin should be an idealistic, right thinking young man with integrity and
standards. Recasting him, with someone whose big assets are a
smirk and being very attractive to 30ish women makes me wonder a bit
more. Kevin is son of Mother Courage. Kevin was always written,
and I do mean from the 70s to the early 90s, (when I think the show got
sold down the river) as the child most like Viki in his concern for others.
There are a lot of directions that kind of character can go. Frankly, I haven't
liked any of them since about 1991, although I thought Kirk Geiger was the
best adult Kevin. Timothy Gibbs simply cannot play the Kevin I've been
watching since he was born. It isn't just that he's too old. He is simply
miscast. Kevin should not be a sex symbol. He should be the antithesis
of his Uncle Todd. As Viki is the antithesis of Dorian. But I have no
illusion that JFP has anywhere near the understanding of these characters
that the real audience of OLTL does. We aren't watching anyway,
anymore. I'm not sure we'll be back with more of these Gibbs capers.

I'm encouraged by the David and Jenny rumors. I'll hope they are
true, and Timothy Gibbs as Kevin is just a rumor.

---Carolyn Adams

[AWFB]

Hi Jamie...
Well I am sorry to see Tim Gibbs leave Another World, where he has done an
above average job in his acting as Police Officer turned Private Eye Gary
Sinclair. My comment has nothing to do with who is coming in, but with
fandom in general. I think it is only fair to give a new cast member a
chance to settle into the role before you cast judgement on him/her.
Otherwise, you are acting on prejudice and prejudice is something America
can do without. (grin). I was dying to say that.

Tom

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Jamie <jam...@primenet.com> wrote in article
<34df1d4a....@news.primenet.com>...

> On 8 Feb 1998 15:36:57 GMT, fif...@aol.com (Fifique) wrote:
>

> >Before you jump to conclusions about how Tim would be in the role of
Kevin or
> >any other, how about giving him the benefit of the doubt?
>

> No. <g> I don't want to. If TPTB are messing with Kevin's age, even
> more than they already have, I'm not obligated to give another actor a
> chance. I gave Kevin Stapleton a chance, and the guy before him,
> liked Kirk Geiger, didn't like the guy before that. I'm tired of the
> revolving door on Kevin's bedroom. I like Kevin Stapleton and we
> certainly haven't been given a reason for his replacement. Did he
> walk-off the job, was he repeatedly late, did he bitch-out a camera
> man? Probably not, someone just decided that another actor should be
> used, and =ping= we have a new Kevin Buchanon.
>
> I don't like it. It has nothing to do with this Tim-guy, who I've
> never seen before. I don't know him from Adam. (Not Chandler) I
> suppose he'll do a great job, but it's another change. A change with
> no apparent reason - at lease from this viewer's eyes.
>
> So, sorry, I'm not inclined to give Tim a chance.
>
>

[AWFB]

Actually Tim was brought to AW by John Valente, not JFP.

Tom

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Jamie <jam...@primenet.com> wrote in article

<34df1f05....@news.primenet.com>...

> On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:57:14 GMT, cava...@alltel.net (DonnaB) wrote:
>
> >Actually, not meaning to split hairs but possibly doing so, wouldn't
> >that be from 2 shows JFP previously worked on? Didn't she bring Tim
> >Gibbs to AW after working with him on SB (Santa Barbara's Dash)? :^>
>

> OK, now this is making me sick..... We're getting another Kevin
> because JFP brings this guy with her everywhere? What the hell is
> that?!
>

> I was giving JFP the benefit of the doubt with the "Killer" posts, cuz
> I really don't follow Behind the Scenes that closely. THIS, however,
> has put a really bad taste in my mouth.
>
>

[AWFB]

Okay I respect Amanda, but I have to respond to this message below.

AmandaES21 <amand...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980210020...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> >From: ca...@enter.net (Carolyn Adams)

>
>
> >Having had these lessons from time and time again, you'd think JFP
> >would realize how important character, history, and consistency
> >are to a show. If she kills off the Mo Bauer type on this show,
> >that would be Viki, and there goes the franchise. At that point, they
> >might as well close the door, as there'll be No Life to Live.

> I seriously doubt JFP would be *stupid* enough to kill off Viki---she's
been a
> central character for years, correct?

Well if JFP was given a similar mandate as she received from AW, she would
be given some "hands off" instructions. At AW it was Victoria Wyndham.
Here it would probably be Erika Slezak and Robin Stausser.

JFP's track record for killing off
> characters on AW is highly exaggerated.

Not true. She created the ridiculous Stalking doctor storyline with the
intention of firing a certain number of cast members. She fired one of the
actors her VERY first day on the job: Christine Tucci, who played Amanda
Cory. Then when Paul Michael Valley (who played police captain Ryan
Harrison, and was at the time Christine Tucci's fiance', wanted out) she
insisted that the character be killed on-screen, despite pleas of fans to
not do it.

She created this character named Courtney Evans that no one really liked
too much, who was a domestic violence victim, and then had a psycho
boyfriend come to town to kill off more characters, including beloved
Bridget, an older character played by Barbara Berjer (who also played
Holly's mom on Guiding Light). In fact, she immediately fired almost all
senior, or near senior, aged characters: Eddie Carlino, Loretta, and Clara
Hudson. She pulled away from family based stories (like she did on Santa
Barbara) and went for set based stories. She got new huge sets created, a
police station, a hospital, and a restaurant, and proclaimed the AW we
loved for years to be NYPD Blue meets ER meets Cheers. It never worked
IMHO.

She's remembered for being the one to

> kill off Frankie Frame, when that wasn't the case. Her idea was to make
a
> long-term character a murderer---which would have enraged fans of that
> character, but been a heck of a storyline twist.

Actually, her plan was to have the stalker kill off Donna Hudson (played by
Anna Stuart) and Amanda is right, that would have enraged many fans and
would be akin to her killing of Maureen Bauer on Guiding Light (which Mrs.
Farren Phelps claimed to have learned her lesson from only to come to AW
and use the same old tired formula to clear out AW cast she didn't like).

It was the headwriter
> (affectionately known as Margaret DeBeast) who made the final decision to
kill
> Frankie instead. I loved the character of Frankie and the actress, but
the
> fact was that she hadn't had a front-burner story in about two years.

But as Alice Barrett, who played Frankie, told me, it was JFP who stopped
giving her story. She is the one who backburnered the actress and made her
vulnerable.

JFP did *Not* get rid of core families---she *did* backburner several of

the usual
> front burner characters and actors; however, they'd been involved in a
> front-burner storyline for a *long* time.

Infact she didn't get rid of core families altogether, she just decimated
them and turn long-term cast members into supporting players while she
played favorites for her good friends and a certain mature actor she had a
crush on.

> What JFP *did* do was to take a show that had begun to flounder, and make
it
> totally exciting again---I used to rush back to my dorm after class to
watch my
> tape every day.

Wow, it is like Amanda and I watched a totally different show. After
watching AW for over 20 years, JFP's reign of error was about the only time
that I stopped watching, a show I could not bear not having around. Had
she been around when I started the campaign to get AW back on-the-air in
Seattle, I wouldn't have bothered to lead the successful campaign. She was
horrid.

She created my all-time favorite couple, and took risks. What

> she did may not have agreed with *every* fan; however, popular to
contrary
> belief, the ratings *did* rise with her tenure.

She created the strangest gag-fest couple, John and Felicia, who were
mismatched from the get-go. I don't think it was a coincidence that Felicia
had some physical resemblance to Mrs. Farren Phelps and David Forsyth was
certain a person of interest to her. The ratings did *NOT* significantly
rise during her tenure of hiring models as actors and having set driven, so
called action stories. But to her credit, she did raise the demographics
in the 18-49 age group, the "magic" formula for profitability, and far more
important that actual ratings per se.

> I'm not coming in here to invade OLTL as a JFP-defender, so I apologize
if
> that's what it seems like:-). However, there have been so many
*negative* JFP
> posts by non-OLTL fans, I thought you might like to hear a different
point of
> view. I've watched OLTL sporadically throughout my lifetime(my mom's a
viewer
> and I've been tuning in when I can to catch Dorian---I love Robin
Strasser!)
> and do plan on tuning in full-time from now on.

> Amanda

I hope you are all singing the praises of that woman a year or two from
now. I really hope she makes OLTL a stellar success and the leader in
ABC's daytime lineup. Keep in touch and let me know how it goes. If
Zaslow actually returns, I may tune in to check him out, as I admire his
acting skill, his humantarianism and his courage. If JFP makes that
happen, she will have garnered some grudging respect from me, and I have
none to give that woman.

Meanwhile, AW is getting better by the day, sans the loss of great actors
such as Timmy and also Kale Browne who are joining OLTL. To be honest,
that makes me curious to tune in. I may just do it.

Tom Freeman

[AWFB]

> > Don't believe all the crap you hear about her from some disgruntled AW
fans who
> hated the fact that she put their particular favorites on the back burner
for
> awhile. The way they go on, you'd think the woman was the AntiChrist.

You mean she wasn't?

Tom

[AWFB]

For those of us who disliked JFP, here is an excellent analysis of her
tenure at AW. I have added a TAN since I don't know how relevant this will
be specifically to non-AW watchers, but perhaps you can get a better sense
of what her critics have to say of her tenure at AW. I only regret that I
didn't write this myself. It was written by AW historian extraordinaire
Eddie Drueding... His website is: http://www.intranet.ca/~awhp/

Best, Tom

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THE TOP TEN REASONS TO DESPISE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER JILL FARREN PHELPS

(1) The Lack of Romance

弼oe and Paulina were rushed into their first wedding five months after
their first meeting. That Paulina would get married so soon after Jake's
presumed death is bad enough, but to someone she hardly knows makes it
worse. Their wedding in March was one of the most unromantic ones I've seen
(that made pretensions of being romantic). During the most tender part of
their vows, the camera's focus was on Jake and his reaction. 弼ohn and
Felicia were never given the chance to fall slowly in love. Inside of a few
weeks, they loved each other completely and totally. 標ithout showing any
previous romantic interest in Donna, Michael one day decided he wanted sex
from her (then decided he didn't want her after all). Shortly afterwards,
they would both settle into de facto couplehood without any effort (or
romance). 筆ichael and Sharlene slept together without any romantic prelude
whatsoever. Their relationship till then had been based purely on
friendship. 謬hat Matthew would truly fall in love with Blair is insulting
to all soap couples everywhere and doesn't even deserve further mention
here. 膝ary and Josie's early relationship was nothing more than endless
boinking. 筆organ asked Courtney to move in with him to help protect her
from Andrew, even though there was only one bed in his apartment. After a
couple of days they were sleeping together, despite the facts that Courtney
was an abuse victim and that they hadn't even gone on a date yet. 逼ick and
Sofia decided to get married, not out of love, but because they needed it
to legitimize the sex they wanted to have.

(2) The Increase in Violence

謬here were innumerable shootings (Joe, Ryan, Ari, Josie, Blair, Fax) as
well as well other forms of violent death (Andrew, Justine, Courtney )
謬here were two *consecutive* full-fledged serial killer storylines in
1996, each complete with multiple killings and a falsely accused suspect
(Morgan/Donna).

(3) The New Sets

弼FP spent a million dollars on her personal vision of what she wanted the
show to be like, not what the show needed. While the Center Street sets
might have been perfect for a brand new soap, AW was forced to completely
redefine itself and its focus. No longer character-driven, the show became
a vehicle for an endless string of crime and medical emergencies. The
hospital and police station began to dictate overall plot as well as minor
details. Every other week another character would occupy the revolving
hospital bed or jail cell. 柊ll the Hudsons except Vicky in jail and in the
E.R.... Listing all the characters who spent time in hospital or
incarcerated would be take up too much space. Suffice it to say that the
overkill completely deadened the excitement such scenes might otherwise
provoke. 匹haracters would find jobs at these sets despite their lack of
qualifications. Michael became chairman of the board at BCGH without any
previous hospital experience (except as a patient of course). Sharlene
became Rita Madison's personal assistant despite no previous experience
(and even though she turned down a job at the police station for similar
reasons). 百urgery scenes featured thousands of dollars worth of fancy
equipment that presumably was meant to impress viewers. Each one should
have a tag showing which actor had to be fired to be able to afford it. The
Tucci gizmo must be quite impressive. 謬he hospital has more than one floor
even though they all look *exactly* the same. The police station has
adjoining rooms and an entire first floor that are wasted space. How much
better if the Cory mansion or Bay View Court, for example, had been treated
to an expansion. 謬he hospital set is constantly used as a backdrop for
run-ins, even between characters who have no ties to the hospital. 謬hough
many do not remember, and some might disagree, the old hospital set was
more attractive, with dark blue trim and wood paneling, as opposed to the
stark white walls of the current set. The police station set doesn't work
as the outside makes it look like something out of the 1950s, yet the
inside is straight out of the 90s. The old police station had more
character, and its small size prevented the show from focusing too much
attention on police matters.

(4) The Rewriting of History and Characterization

畢orna would marvel that such a good man as Gabe McNamara would actually
love her, when a host of good men (Matthew, Kevin, and Victor) had loved
her and were devoted to her. 弼ohn transferred his feelings for Sharlene
onto Felicia without sufficient reason. 彦elicia became desperate and
man-hungry. 弼oe went from a sweet caring guy to this manipulative,
double-standard holding, overbearing bully. 匹arl began to be condescending
to Rachel. He patronized her and trotted her out only when he wanted sex.
紐achel lost her drive and strength, gosh darn it. 姫aulina lost interest
in Jake, the love of her life, because...??? 彪icky sold her house, in
which she had lived with Ryan, and where both her kids grew up, without a
second thought or a single tear. 筆aggie went from being a sweet kid
(mostly) to hell on wheels. 筆ichael and John became walking hard-ons.
疋onna regressed from sophisticated businesswoman to sex-starved ditz.

(5) The Focus on Minor Characters

髭stablished characters would receive new partners, but then third-party
interference would originate from those new people, instead of drawing it
from the established history of the established characters, making it hard
to care about what was happening. Past ties to other characters were
invented (e.g., Carl and Blair), and current ties were exaggerated (Matthew
and Blair), all for the sake of establishing characters that would only be
around for a few months. 畢aurie Michaels sued the hospital when her son
died. Were we supposed to care about Ben Michaels? Were we supposed to be
interested in the legal battle, when Cass took on the case of a stranger
against his own brother, and the real guilty party, Courtney (who had
purposely neglected to stop Ben from misusing his inhaler), received no
punishment? 稗lair, a stranger, dominated the Gary/Josie story, often to
the exclusion of Josie, when featuring familiar elements of Josie's past
(Ian, Matthew, etc.) would have been more interesting to the viewer.
柊ndrew Miller, a stranger, dominated the Morgan/Courtney story, often to
the exclusion of Morgan, when featuring familiar elements of Morgan's past
(Brett, Lorna, his mother) would have been more interesting to the viewer.
匹indy, a stranger, dominated the Gabe/Lorna story, when featuring familiar
elements of Lorna's past (Carl, Matthew, Kevin, Victor) would have been
more interesting to the viewers. Does Gabe even know that Lorna used to be
Carl's moll?

(6) The Ageism

弼FP eliminated multigenerational stories by firing all the actors over 55:
Bridget (a beloved 11-year vet), Clara (shamelessly carted off to the old
folks home), Spencer (even though he was an integral part of the Justine,
then the Ryan/Grant story) and Eddie (thus reducing Joe to the role of
heavy in the Nick/Sofia story).

(7) The Sexism

疋onna became the depraved older woman desperately pursuing Matthew, and
took to uttering such inanities as "I always need a strong man to help me
out." 彦elicia took to sitting in darkened rooms crying to herself because
she felt that no one loved her (despite the fact that Marshall threw
himself at her and told her how beautiful she was every single time he saw
her). Then her whole life revolved around worshiping John. 畢orna and
Felicia would devote their mother-daughter get-togethers to gushing about
how wonderful their men were and how lucky they were to be loved by them.
弼ohn received little or no flak for his treatment of Sharlene, while
Felicia, the one who showed signs of remorse, became the town pariah.
百harlene was deemed a failure as a woman because she had chosen to be a
stay-at-home wife and mother. 姫aulina completely lost her backbone as she
settled down and became Joe's little woman. 紐achel became a mindless
zombie with no purpose in life. 匹ourtney was the classic abuse victim who
needed a man to come to her rescue. When Courtney started showing signs of
having a backbone, she was killed off.

(8) The Bad Writing

疋angling plotlines such as: Joe's gambling, and his vow to repay Nick the
money Nick gave him to pay off the debt on Carlinos's. Grant's attempted
murder of Carl in the hospital. Tomas receiving no punishment for cheating
on his EMT exam. The first time that Maggie and Cass met after they both
found out they were related was never shown. It was never discovered that
Maggie planted Sofia's photo in The Herald or that she faked her death.
Felicia's screenplay that was to be filmed at BCGH. The Grant/Morgan
confrontation in prison. The Bayside Park rapist. Sharlene's 60's emblem.
柊 string of very forgettable stories: Joe and Paulina; Laurie Michaels,
Andrew Miller, Fax Newman 百tories recycled within the same period: Gary
and Josie's leaving the force; John and Morgan's suspension from the
hospital. Gary and Grace, and Gary and Blair. 桧verall stupidity, such as
was apparent throughout the stalker storyline. Fibers found on all three
victims matched, when Fax never touched Blair or Courtney? 菱and-held
cameras and constant E.R. scenes were used to create excitement, instead of
conflict and drama. 彪ampires yet! There's nothing inherently juvenile
about vampire stories; Anne Rice has crafted very complex,
character-driven, and philosophical stories. AW's foray into that field was
incredibly hokey, from the dialogue right down to the wardrobe. 謬he cops
were all made out to be complete idiots. The only time Gary showed any
brains was when he was on suspension.

(9) Bad Hands-on Producing

弼FP hired possibly the worst actor the show has ever had, Jodi O'Keefe,
and subjected her to us for five full months. 筆any recasts: Gregory,
Courtney, Nick, Steven, Kirkland, Charlie, Nick, Maggie 桧verusing her
personal favorites and underusing the rest. Tom Eplin, one of the most
popular players on the show, languished on the backburner from fall 1995 to
summer 1996 (when Jensen Buchanan, one of JFP's faves, returned from
maternity leave). Never in his ten-year history with the show has Eplin
been so underused. Not to mention Charles Keating, ignored for the first
nine months of 1996. He won the Emmy for Best Actor and he still wasn't
given a story. 謬he killing off of Ryan. While it was PMV's decision to
leave, JFP made the mistake of making it impossible for him to return to
the role (in a substantial manner). 謬he firing of Barbara Berjer. Jensen
Buchanan herself says that Bridget is the character she'd most like to have
return to the show. 謬he firing and/or gross misuse of popular talented
actors such as Christine Tucci, Randy Brooks, and Nancy Frangione.

(10) Putting on Airs

弼FP was supposedly against NBC's plan to turn AW into a clone of DOOL. Yet
she created a DOOLish atmosphere by upping the violence quota, producing
DOOL-type stories such as Justine and the Nick/Sofia/Maggie triangle,
hiring models who couldn't act, and experimenting with supernatural
stories. 弼FP took credit for increasing key demographics (women), which is
apparently what she was hired by NBC to do. If you expect me to believe
that she increased the violence and dumbed down the women characters
*specifically* to increase viewership among women, well, I can't believe
it. If the demographics did go up (and there is contradictory evidence
whether they increased and whether the increase was sustained), then I can
only believe that the increase is a coincidence. 弼FP said that she loved
the characters on the show. If so, why did she rewrite much of their
history and personality? 逼ear the end of her tenure, JFP said that she
"loved" Another World. Really? Did she hunt up old episodes? Does she
eagerly tune in each day to watch the show, even though she's no longer EP?
That's what it means to love the show. What JFP loved was being in control
of a show and subjecting it to her latest fancy. 柊nd did she ever listen
to the advice Harding Lemay was hired to give her? From what the show
became under her hands, it seems not.

[Note: I wrote this out of frustration at reading posts praising the
so-called romance and excitement that JFP brought to the show. Were 1994,
1993, 1992, and so on, all lousy years?
I didn't start out hating JFP. I was made to, for all the reasons outlined
above. The first six months of 1996 stand out among the worst periods of
the show.
By no means was everything she did bad. And certainly her successor has
made her share of mistakes (including overplaying the Vicky story, the
rapid and rabid housecleaning, and the complete descent into DOOLification]

[Adrian]

On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:50:15 GMT, tan...@mail.airmail.net (Tante Joan)
could possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:

>the adult equivalent, but I doubt ES would be too happy over that one.
>She always looks older than she is. Imagine my shock to learn that
>she is one year younger than I am, when I'd always assumed she was 5
>years older.

Erika Slezak is in her twenties?

*pout*

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[Kessham]

>From: "AWFB" >

>Hi Jamie...
>Well I am sorry to see Tim Gibbs leave Another World, where he has done an
>above average job in his acting as Police Officer turned Private Eye Gary

"Above average"? LOL! Tim Gibbs is one of the best actors to ever grace AW,
and considering how good the AW cast is overall, that's saying a great deal.
With Gary, he created a character so memorable that I can't imagine it being
recasted. He's a fabulous actor.

Sandy

[Tante Joan]

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:22:16 GMT, gobo...@alphalink.com.au (Adrian)
wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:50:15 GMT, tan...@mail.airmail.net (Tante Joan)
>could possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:
>
>>the adult equivalent, but I doubt ES would be too happy over that one.
>>She always looks older than she is. Imagine my shock to learn that
>>she is one year younger than I am, when I'd always assumed she was 5
>>years older.
>
>Erika Slezak is in her twenties?
>
>*pout*

Muchas smoochas, dollink. She's 51.
TJ
>
>ADRIAN DOWN-UNDER-ZEMAN

[AWFB]

Okay, he was pretty darn good.

Kessham <kes...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980210124...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

[Fifique]

>"Above average"? LOL! Tim Gibbs is one of the best actors to ever grace AW,
and considering how good the AW cast is overall, that's saying a great deal.
With Gary, he created a character so memorable that I can't imagine it being
recasted. He's a fabulous actor.
Sandy>

Sandy, you are incorrigible! But, oh so correct.<g>

Fiona
-- Tim Gibbs Page at http://users.aol.com/fifique/tim

[Fifique]

>Okay, he was pretty darn good.<

LOL! Still a massive understatement, Tom. <g>

IMO, OLTL fans should be immensely happy to have Tim join their show. I have
no doubt he'll do them as proudly as he did AW with the characterization of
Gary.

[Angela Earlye]

Jamie (jam...@primenet.com) wrote:

: Problem is, the character being in a rut has nothing to do with the

: actor - that's the writers.

Jamie..I'm with you all the way on this one. And they had a simple
solution to write him out of that rut and mature the character and then
they could have moved him into any direction they wanted. Cassie has
been whining for months now (or is it a year) that she can't say "I love
you" until she figures out who she is, where she comes from. Well, she
certainly knows now and perhaps at the end of her journey is not an "I
love you" to Kevin but a kiss off sending Kevin into a tailspin and out
of his rut!

: How 'bout they fire the writers and get better (and older) ones. <G>

: Maybe if they get writers that are about 10 years older than they're
: supposed to be, it'll make a difference.....

LOL! And so true. I mean we went through a year of hell with the
revolving Kevins and as far as I'm concerned we found him. Why not cast
this guy as one of the Hayes boys or some other new character.

Angela

[Lynda Moulton]

In article <01bd35e9$351591a0$b43aa3cd@default>, "AWFB"
<AWFanB...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> > > Don't believe all the crap you hear about her from some disgruntled AW
> fans who
> > hated the fact that she put their particular favorites on the back burner
> for
> > awhile. The way they go on, you'd think the woman was the AntiChrist.
>
> You mean she wasn't?
>
> Tom

The biggest problem many AW fans have with JFP is that she blew the budget
on expensive PERMANENT sets (Hospital, Police Station, Restaurant) in order
to get an ER/NYPD thing going. What she didn't or wouldn't face is that
fans watch AW for *AW*. If we want ER/NYPD we'd watch THAT. Nevermind that
we didn't get to see beloved Tops Restaurant or the Cory Manse, or in fact
anyone's HOUSES. We saw the hospital (one by one most of the actors had
life threatening disease or accidents, and one by one, most of the
characters were arrested or visiting someone arrested!) Even now we are
still faced with JFP's budget debacle. I believe I read that AW has the
smallest cast of any hour long daytime show.

Anyhoo, she broke the budget and as a result, many actors got offed (Alice
Barrett being one of them, although there is some feeling that Alice was
fired in order to woo Robert Kelker Kelly with big bucks.

I am hard pressed to think of anything she did that I liked. It's like most
things. What we didn't like we remember clearly.

I did like the introduction of Gary Sinclair, and his romance with rookie
Josie Watts early on. Soon they became the show rabbits, jumping each
other on every show. *yawn* That said, Tim is a very talented actor! In
fact his scenes lately have made him one of the best male characters on AW
since Ryan IMHO (Josie is out of the picture at the moment, so no continual
boinkfest). He is giving one female character unconditional trust and
support, when all around her are self-righteous and judgmental and I say
give that man a big HUG. If he was staying I'd say give Gary and Paulina a
love story.

I may join OLTL to watch when he and Kale Browne come on. I can't afford
the time for another WHOLE soap, but I may tune in to see how they are
doing.

Lynda (that's my take and prolly more than ANY OLTL fan wants to know!)

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[Lynda Moulton]

In article <moultonlynda-ya02408...@news.ccs.queensu.ca>,
moulto...@post.queensu.ca (Lynda Moulton) wrote:

> I did like the introduction of Gary Sinclair, and his romance with rookie
> Josie Watts early on. Soon they became the show rabbits, jumping each
> other on every show. *yawn* That said, Tim is a very talented actor! In
> fact his scenes lately have made him one of the best male characters on AW
> since Ryan IMHO (Josie is out of the picture at the moment, so no continual
> boinkfest). He is giving one female character unconditional trust and
> support, when all around her are self-righteous and judgmental and I say
> give that man a big HUG. If he was staying I'd say give Gary and Paulina a
> love story.

I know, I know, replying to my own post. But just in case any Llanview
citizens slide on over to Bay City to have a boo, I should report that Gary
Sinclair has not been seen in Bay City for a number of days. He may
already be gone.

Lynda

[AWFB]

Okay I admit it. I like Timmy and I am sorry we are gonna lose him. I
would love to hear what OLTL fans will think...

Fiona, are you dropping AW?

Tom
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[AWFB]

Lynda,

She didn't even bring Tim Gibbs to AW. That was John Valente and Carolyn
Culliton.

Just a clarification...

Okay OLTL fans, can you give us a background on the Kevin character?

[Kessham]

In article <moultonlynda-ya02408...@news.ccs.queensu.ca>,
moulto...@post.queensu.ca (Lynda Moulton) writes:

> I did like the introduction of Gary Sinclair, and his romance with rookie
>
>Josie Watts early on. Soon they became the show rabbits, jumping each
>
>other on every show. *yawn* That said, Tim is a very talented actor!

But, Lynda, they were the best pair of AW Love Bunnies EVER! LOL! I haven't
looked at a bathtub the same way in 2 1/2 years! <VBG>

Sandy

[Fifique]

>Subject: Re: OLTL: Kevin fired<BR>
>From: "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com><BR>
>Date: 2/10/98 12:23 PM Eastern Standard Time<BR>
>Message-id: <01bd3647$f0ea3260$4f3aa3cd@default><BR>
><BR>

>Okay I admit it. I like Timmy and I am sorry we are gonna lose him. <BR>

There, that wasn't THAT hard to admit, now was it? ;-)

>Fiona, are you dropping AW?<BR>

Nope, loyalty is one of my biggest faults.<g> I'll keep watching AW when I'm
home but my VCR will be set on Llanview. Too bad AW and OLTL play opposite
each other here!

[Fifique]

<<Subject: Re: OLTL: Kevin fired w/SB reminiscences
From: "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com
Date: 2/10/98 12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <01bd3648$3a051a00$4f3aa3cd@defaul

Okay OLTL fans, can you give us a background on the Kevin character? >>

Good question, Tom. I haven't watched OLTL seriously since my college days
back in the mid 80's so I could use lots of help.

Got this from the OLTL boards on AOL....
<<<<Dorian will kill her Mother to save Cassie and the farmhouse will burn
down. Dorian eventually blames Mel for causing all this trouble. Kevin will be
injured in the fire and Viki will blame Clint for this! Allegedly this will
start the big Buchanan family fued.>>

A bandaged Kevin? Enter Tim Gibbs, perhaps? Sounds like there'd be plenty of
room here for Tim to flex those acting muscles.

[Fifique]

Whoa, that post looked nasty. Sorry! I hate AOL's newsgroup response feature!

[Teresa Barton]

In article <19980210184...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, fif...@aol.com
says...

>
><<Subject: Re: OLTL: Kevin fired w/SB reminiscences
>From: "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com
>Date: 2/10/98 12:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <01bd3648$3a051a00$4f3aa3cd@defaul
>
>Okay OLTL fans, can you give us a background on the Kevin character? >>
>
>Good question, Tom. I haven't watched OLTL seriously since my college days
>back in the mid 80's so I could use lots of help.

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space.

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>Got this from the OLTL boards on AOL....
><<<<Dorian will kill her Mother to save Cassie and the farmhouse will burn
>down. Dorian eventually blames Mel for causing all this trouble. Kevin will be
>injured in the fire and Viki will blame Clint for this! Allegedly this will
>start the big Buchanan family fued.>>
>
>A bandaged Kevin? Enter Tim Gibbs, perhaps? Sounds like there'd be plenty of
>room here for Tim to flex those acting muscles.
>
>

>Fiona
>-- Tim Gibbs Page at http://users.aol.com/fifique/tim

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[Lynda Moulton]

In article <01bd3648$3a051a00$4f3aa3cd@default>, "AWFB"
<AWFanB...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Lynda,
>
> She didn't even bring Tim Gibbs to AW. That was John Valente and Carolyn
> Culliton.
>
> Just a clarification...

Yes, I know. It wasn't clear, but I meant that next paragraph to be more
about Tim/Gary than JFP. Sorry.

> Okay OLTL fans, can you give us a background on the Kevin character?

Seconded. I hate going into a soap without some hints. I've been reading
the OLTL posts, but I'm confused. Is there a FAQ or a website with a
history? Do we know anything about Kale Browne's character or is that
brand new?

[Tante Joan]

On 10 Feb 98 17:25:46 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Lynda,
>
>She didn't even bring Tim Gibbs to AW. That was John Valente and Carolyn
>Culliton.
>
>Just a clarification...
>

>Okay OLTL fans, can you give us a background on the Kevin character?
>

>Tom
This is absurd. We are supposed to bring you up to date on a
character who is being fired from a show you don't watch so you can
continue to write about AW? And Lynda, I'm resigned to this nonsense
from Tom, but you?
TJ

[AWFB]

Excuse me??????????
No, because I would like to check the show out. What the hell are you
talking about Tante Joan?

Tom

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[DonnaB]

In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:19:09 -0500,
moulto...@post.queensu.ca (Lynda Moulton) stopped & looked both
ways before saying:

Spoiler Space since the Kale Browne casting info would still fall
there I believe ...
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| the OLTL posts, but I'm confused. Is there a FAQ or a website with a
| history? Do we know anything about Kale Browne's character or is that
| brand new?

I believe that Sam Rappaport, Todd's attorney, is new, but I could be
all wet behind the ears. I got the impression it was to be a hot-shot
big-deal lawyer which would lead to spec about whether Todd's going to
be needing a new kinda mouthpiece or what. Anyway, if I'm wrong
someone will say so. I only know *this* itty-bitty amount about OLTL
compared to the experts hanging around these parts. <G>

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[Linda Martindale]

On 10 Feb 1998, AWFB wrote:

>
> Okay OLTL fans, can you give us a background on the Kevin character?
>
> Tom
>

Kevin is the son of Viki Lord Riley Burke Riley Buchanan Buchanan
Carpenter (and I might have missed some. Some say she was married to
Roger Gordon). Born in 1976, he was kidnapped as a baby by a woman,
Cathy Craig, who was infatuated with Joe and who blamed Viki with her child's
death (she had a baby by Joe if memory serves). When Joe died the second
time and after Viki married Clint, Kevin and Joey were both adopted and
took the name Buchanan.

He was allowed to grow normally for a while and then got SORAS to bring in
the teen crowd. The first adult Kevin appeared when Viki had a stroke
and was in the wheelchair. He was very protective of her. Kevin
fell in love with Carlo Hesser's niece, Stephanie Hobart, and together
(with Joey) they ran away on a yacht. Joey had an asthma attack and they
returned (this was the Thrower (sic) Kevin). He hated college and went
to work at _The Banner_ on the loading dock. He met and married LeeAnn
who was really in love with Max. LeeAnn became pregnant and told him the
baby was Max's. Later, it was revealed through a blood test (I think)
that the child was his and he sued for custody with the backing of
grandpa Asa (Geiger began around this time). He finally gave Lee Ann
custody and let her take his son, Duke, to Texas where they still live.

Kevin went back to school and joined the frat. This set up the infamous
rape storyline where Kevin was falsely accused. Marty cleared him.
Kevin graduated and started law school. Unhappy, he decided he wanted to
work for the paper after a stint in Europe as a photojournalism.

In his life, he has romanced Andy Harrison (Armstrong). He has a bitter
relationship with his uncle Todd.

Grandfather--Victor Lord (biological), Asa Buchanan (adoption)
Parents--Viki Lord Riley..... and Joe Riley
Adopted Father--Clint Buchanan
Uncles/Aunts: Meredith Lord Wolek (deceased), Tony Lord (deceased), Tina
Lord Roberts ..., Todd Manning
Wives: Lee Ann Demerest
Lovers: Rachel Gannon, Cassie Carpenter
Children: Duke Buchanan

[Linda Martindale]

> Seconded. I hate going into a soap without some hints. I've been reading
> the OLTL posts, but I'm confused. Is there a FAQ or a website with a
> history? Do we know anything about Kale Browne's character or is that
> brand new?
>

> Lynda
>
> --
There are FAQs available. I should know, they're on my homepage. Use
the following address to view them and choose the one you need.
www.elon.edu/users/f/martinda

[Fifique]

Thanks for catching the spoiler space (or lack thereof), Teresa. Sorry about
that, everyone!
Guess I'm just getting too carried away at the thought of starting to watch
OLTL again. I'll be sure to be more careful in the future.

[Adrian]

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:29:17 GMT, tan...@mail.airmail.net (Tante Joan)

could possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:

>On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:22:16 GMT, gobo...@alphalink.com.au (Adrian)
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:50:15 GMT, tan...@mail.airmail.net (Tante Joan)
>>could possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:
>>
>>>the adult equivalent, but I doubt ES would be too happy over that one.
>>>She always looks older than she is. Imagine my shock to learn that
>>>she is one year younger than I am, when I'd always assumed she was 5
>>>years older.
>>
>>Erika Slezak is in her twenties?
>>
>>*pout*
>Muchas smoochas, dollink. She's 51.

I suppose it would be rude to make a dog-years comment about Erika
Slezak's birthday, yes? Thought so...

[Adrian]

On 10 Feb 1998 12:46:44 GMT, kes...@aol.com (Kessham) could possibly,

in their infinite wisdom, have said:

>>Hi Jamie...
>>Well I am sorry to see Tim Gibbs leave Another World, where he has done an
>>above average job in his acting as Police Officer turned Private Eye Gary
>

>"Above average"? LOL! Tim Gibbs is one of the best actors to ever grace AW,
>and considering how good the AW cast is overall, that's saying a great deal.

Flame bait alert.

Y'know, I've always enjoyed the cast of Another World, thought they
were very good. They *are* the characters when you watch, but after
hearing the never-ending 'what a fabulous cast' comments everywhere,
I'm really not convinced. I just don't think I've ever sat back and
felt 'WOW' when watching a scene. It all just seemed so low-key. But
maybe that's part of the appeal. They probably aren't given enough
opportunity, Stephen Schnetzer (sp?) could run with something if he
was given a storyline, I'm sure. Or maybe the fact that Victoria
Whyndam scares me @#$@less has something to do with it... Go figure.

[Adrian]

On 10 Feb 98 17:25:46 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> could

possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:

>
>Lynda,
>
>She didn't even bring Tim Gibbs to AW. That was John Valente and Carolyn
>Culliton.

hssssss hssssssss, the name the name, don't say the 'C' word...

[Kat Swan]

Adrian wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:29:17 GMT, tan...@mail.airmail.net (Tante Joan)

> could possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:
>

> >On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:22:16 GMT, gobo...@alphalink.com.au (Adrian) >wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:50:15 GMT, tan...@mail.airmail.net (Tante Joan)

> >>could possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:
> >>

> >>>the adult equivalent, but I doubt ES would be too happy over that one.
> >>>She always looks older than she is. Imagine my shock to learn that
> >>>she is one year younger than I am, when I'd always assumed she was 5
> >>>years older.
> >>
> >>Erika Slezak is in her twenties?
> >>
> >>*pout*
> >Muchas smoochas, dollink. She's 51.
>
> I suppose it would be rude to make a dog-years comment about Erika
> Slezak's birthday, yes? Thought so...

Can't pass up a chance to mention my favorite dog years comment:

In dog years I'm dead.

Katswan

[Lynda Moulton]

In article
<F3715E4CFF380876.AAE998F5...@library-proxy.airnews.ne
t>, tan...@airmail.net wrote:

> On 10 Feb 98 17:25:46 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Lynda,
> >
> >She didn't even bring Tim Gibbs to AW. That was John Valente and Carolyn
> >Culliton.
> >

> >Just a clarification...

> >
> >Okay OLTL fans, can you give us a background on the Kevin character?
> >
> >Tom

> This is absurd. We are supposed to bring you up to date on a
> character who is being fired from a show you don't watch so you can
> continue to write about AW? And Lynda, I'm resigned to this nonsense
> from Tom, but you?
>

Ah, but TJ I was going to BEGIN watching OLTL, and would like to know a
little history of the character Gibbs will be playing. Nothing wrong with
that IMHO. *shrug*

[Lynda Moulton]

In article <34efb37b...@enews.newsguy.com>, cava...@alltel.net
(DonnaB) wrote:

| Seconded. I hate going into a soap without some hints. I've been reading
| the OLTL posts, but I'm confused. Is there a FAQ or a website with a
| history? Do we know anything about Kale Browne's character or is that
| brand new?

Whoops, sorry. I assumed since the Browne news is older than the Tibbs
news, that it was also old news -- or something.

>
> I believe that Sam Rappaport, Todd's attorney, is new, but I could be
> all wet behind the ears.

Thanks. Boy, is it going to be strange to hear Michael Hudson (AW) called
"Sam"! I think I'll set my VCR for OLTL starting tomorrow to get a head
start. Someone was kind enough to direct me to an unofficial FAQ site, so
I should get up to speed without too trouble.

[DonnaB]

In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:57:14 -0500, Kat Swan
<kat...@erols.com>, filed the following report:

Someone, sorry, then, Adrian said:
| > >Muchas smoochas, dollink. She's 51.
| >
| > I suppose it would be rude to make a dog-years comment about Erika
| > Slezak's birthday, yes? Thought so...
|
| Can't pass up a chance to mention my favorite dog years comment:
|
| In dog years I'm dead.

Hey, where'd ya hear that? That's one of my fave taglines, but I don't have an
attribution for it! Hang around RATS long enough & you find out the darnedest
things, huh?!! <G>

DonnaB with little or no idea where tags & sigs are on the old, cracked, slow,
B&W laptop
--
'One of the RATS Donnas, Mouse Pushing Wacko, GRITS & SWATCHer, DonnaB

"... you do know what would have happened if it had been three wise WOMEN instead of men, don't you? They would have asked for directions, arrived on time, helped deliver the baby, and brought disposable diapers as gifts." - Jill Holly Bethune Wood, Richmond VA

[WinDKa]

> Do we know anything about Kale Browne's character or is that
>> brand new?
>>

The character is brand new.He plays a high-owered and dynamic lawyer named Sam
Rappaport who comes to Llanview to represent Todd (Roger Howarth)

[DonnaB]

In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:44:16 -0500,

moulto...@post.queensu.ca (Lynda Moulton) stopped & looked both
ways before saying:

| In article <34efb37b...@enews.newsguy.com>, cava...@alltel.net

| | history? Do we know anything about Kale Browne's character or is that
| | brand new?
|

| Whoops, sorry. I assumed since the Browne news is older than the Tibbs
| news, that it was also old news -- or something.
|
| > I believe that Sam Rappaport, Todd's attorney, is new, but I could be
| > all wet behind the ears.
|
| Thanks. Boy, is it going to be strange to hear Michael Hudson (AW) called
| "Sam"! I think I'll set my VCR for OLTL starting tomorrow to get a head
| start. Someone was kind enough to direct me to an unofficial FAQ site, so
| I should get up to speed without too trouble.

I dunno, he kinda looks like a Sam to me, dontcha think? Can't you
imagine Karen Allen waking up every morning to that face & calling him
"Sammy"? <G> And, those OLTL FAQs are regularly posted, too, and they
are 'dynomite!

As far as timing is concerned, if people don't want to see casting
spoilers, which some people do not, Kale's not there yet, at least not
on screen. I think his first day in the studio at OLTL is/was his last
airdate at AW. A bit of serendipitous timing.

I know I'll have to look in on OLTL even more with Kale & Tim here,
but I cannot watch more than 3 shows every single day. I cannot, I
cannot, I cannot. Arrgh. <G>

--
DonnaB-Shallot Peel ICQ#308592 <*>

[Jamie]

On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:40:13 -0500, Allynn Wilkinson
<awi...@cyberportal.net> wrote:

>Anyone still think it's too early to start beating the death knell for
>OLTL? It's been borderline unwatchable for the better part of

Actually, I enjoy OLTL more now than I have for a long time. I'm
really enjoying Dorian's story, seeing her vulnerable is a wonderful
thing. <g>

I'm disappointed with Kevin's termination, but I've already ranted
about that in other posts.

I don't think there's a death knell for OLTL, not at all.

Jamie
FOC Wendi ** FOC Bo, Bo's Intuition
FOC Nora, Keeper of Integrity & Humor
FOC Kelly, VP of Growing Pains

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[WinDKa]

>Uncles/Aunts: Meredith Lord Wolek (deceased), Tony Lord (deceased), Tina
> Lord Roberts ..., Todd Manning

He also has an uncle on the Buchanan side, Bo. Bo's wife Nora is the mother of
Rachel Gannon. and Bo himself was very briefly married to Cassie Carpenter
(talk about keeping it in the family)

[Kat Swan]

DonnaB wrote:
>
> In rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc on Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:57:14 -0500, Kat Swan
> <kat...@erols.com>, filed the following report:
>
> Someone, sorry, then, Adrian said:
> | > >Muchas smoochas, dollink. She's 51.
> | >
> | > I suppose it would be rude to make a dog-years comment about Erika
> | > Slezak's birthday, yes? Thought so...
> |
> | Can't pass up a chance to mention my favorite dog years comment:
> |
> | In dog years I'm dead.
>
> Hey, where'd ya hear that? That's one of my fave taglines, but I don't have an
> attribution for it! Hang around RATS long enough & you find out the darnedest
> things, huh?!! <G>

Honestly, DonnaB, I haven't a clue where I heard that. It was probably
on someone's sig, but I just don't remember whose or where. The line
just struck me as soooo sooo funny and I remembered the line.

> DonnaB with little or no idea where tags & sigs are on the old, cracked, slow,
> B&W laptop

I totally understand. I spent 20 minutes today searching all 4 active
computers on our home network today looking for my long-missing sigs
with no success. DH keeps moving harddrives around and replacing them
with bigger ones. I'm afraid my sigs got lost somewhere along the way.

> "... you do know what would have happened if it had been three wise
> WOMEN instead of men, don't you? They would have asked for directions,
> arrived on time, helped deliver the baby, and brought disposable
> diapers as gifts." - Jill Holly Bethune Wood, Richmond VA

Oh, jeez, that is sooooooo funny! And sooooooo true! My best and my
thanks to Jill Holly Bethune Wood, whoever she is!

Katswan

[Kacileigh]

> win...@aol.com (WinDKa) wrote:

>He not to old to be playing Kevin. . . ..if you go from the time that Kevin
>was
>really born then Cassie is way to old for him because she used to babysit
>for
>him. Plus Kevin was aged more than just 3 years when Kirk Geiger took over
>the
>role as the 1st adult Kevin . Kevin and Todd were at Llanview U together and
Todd is 28. RH is 28 or 29.
>I don't see a problem age wise with Tim Gibbs being 30.>>

Me neither. When you watch a soap you have to suspend belief sometime. TPTB
like to use the phrase "taking the character in a new direction" when they give
someone their walking papers. My guess is they want new Kevin to be more mature
and less bratty.
*JMHO*
kaci

[AWFB]

Okay, as a big 'ole Victoria Wyndham fan, I gotta ask why she scares you
Adrian?

Adrian <gobo...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in article
<34e2bc9b...@news.zippo.com>...
> On 10 Feb 1998 12:46:44 GMT, kes...@aol.com (Kessham) could possibly,

> in their infinite wisdom, have said:
>

> >>Hi Jamie...
> >>Well I am sorry to see Tim Gibbs leave Another World, where he has done
an
> >>above average job in his acting as Police Officer turned Private Eye
Gary
> >
> >"Above average"? LOL! Tim Gibbs is one of the best actors to ever
grace AW,
> >and considering how good the AW cast is overall, that's saying a great
deal.
>
> Flame bait alert.
>
> Y'know, I've always enjoyed the cast of Another World, thought they
> were very good. They *are* the characters when you watch, but after
> hearing the never-ending 'what a fabulous cast' comments everywhere,
> I'm really not convinced. I just don't think I've ever sat back and
> felt 'WOW' when watching a scene. It all just seemed so low-key. But
> maybe that's part of the appeal. They probably aren't given enough
> opportunity, Stephen Schnetzer (sp?) could run with something if he
> was given a storyline, I'm sure. Or maybe the fact that Victoria
> Whyndam scares me @#$@less has something to do with it... Go figure.
>

[Marty Hood]

On 11 Feb 98 06:22:31 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Okay, as a big 'ole Victoria Wyndham fan, I gotta ask why she scares you
>Adrian?

Well, she did file that restraining order........

--
Marty Hood
jh...@du.edu
1998 Memorex Frango Winner FAC Drunk Brooke
FPC Jake, FGC Audrey, FGC Reva, FGC Miguel, FPC Eve, FPC Chris, FPC Serena, FPC Scott, FPC Gail
Brooke Lover and Proud, President of JISM, President of IFFR
Member FGC Katherine, Keeper of the Patch
FGC Kat and Stefan, Keeper of the Bullet that Brought Them Together

[Adrian]

On 11 Feb 98 06:22:31 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> could

possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:

>Okay, as a big 'ole Victoria Wyndham fan, I gotta ask why she scares you
>Adrian?

Rachel with Mac seemed a lot sweeter and her motives seemed rather
clear. But then she started getting scarier, her hair started getting
scarier, her eyes started getting scarier, VW started crying foul on
every message board she could find about TPTB... My opinion started
to change and although I admire her, she still scares me. She's no
Jane Wyman in the scary stakes, but then she's no Jane Wyman in the
watchability stakes, either, IMO.

[Marty Hood]

On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:01:01 GMT, gobo...@alphalink.com.au (Adrian)
wrote:

>On 11 Feb 98 06:22:31 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> could
>possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:
>
>>Okay, as a big 'ole Victoria Wyndham fan, I gotta ask why she scares you
>>Adrian?
>
>Rachel with Mac seemed a lot sweeter and her motives seemed rather
>clear. But then she started getting scarier, her hair started getting
>scarier, her eyes started getting scarier, VW started crying foul on
>every message board she could find about TPTB... My opinion started
>to change and although I admire her, she still scares me. She's no
>Jane Wyman in the scary stakes, but then she's no Jane Wyman in the
>watchability stakes, either, IMO.

Adrian, proceed with caution, I hear AWFB is none other than VICTORIA
WYNDHAM HERSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marty Hood]

On 11 Feb 98 06:22:31 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Okay, as a big 'ole Victoria Wyndham fan, I gotta ask why she scares you
>Adrian?

and she sent him a ton of spam after she got fed up w/him always
replying at the top of posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AWFB]

LOL LOL LOL

--
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Visit the Another World Fan Brigade at http://www.olywa.net/awfanbrigade

Marty Hood <jh...@lib.law.du.edu> wrote in article
<34e84e6...@news.newsguy.com>...

> On 11 Feb 98 06:22:31 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Okay, as a big 'ole Victoria Wyndham fan, I gotta ask why she scares you
> >Adrian?
>
>

> Well, she did file that restraining order........
>
>

[Adrian]

On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:35:48 GMT, jh...@lib.law.du.edu (Marty Hood)
could possibly, in their infinite wisdom, have said:

>> My opinion started
>>to change and although I admire her, she still scares me. She's no
>>Jane Wyman in the scary stakes, but then she's no Jane Wyman in the
>>watchability stakes, either, IMO.
>
>Adrian, proceed with caution, I hear AWFB is none other than VICTORIA
>WYNDHAM HERSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh NO!!!!! I'm sorry Victoria!!!! I love your Couplets CD!!! It
rocks!!!! I listen to it backwards when I'm down. You have such
range and you are only scary when you are acting so damn well that you
fool us all.

Long live Vicky Whyndam!!! She's da bomb!!!

[Tante Joan]

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:40:29 -0500, moulto...@post.queensu.ca
(Lynda Moulton) wrote:

>In article
><F3715E4CFF380876.AAE998F5...@library-proxy.airnews.ne
>t>, tan...@airmail.net wrote:
>
>> On 10 Feb 98 17:25:46 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Lynda,
>> >
>> >She didn't even bring Tim Gibbs to AW. That was John Valente and Carolyn
>> >Culliton.
>> >
>> >Just a clarification...
>> >
>> >Okay OLTL fans, can you give us a background on the Kevin character?
>> >
>> >Tom
>> This is absurd. We are supposed to bring you up to date on a
>> character who is being fired from a show you don't watch so you can
>> continue to write about AW? And Lynda, I'm resigned to this nonsense
>> from Tom, but you?
>>
>
>Ah, but TJ I was going to BEGIN watching OLTL, and would like to know a
>little history of the character Gibbs will be playing. Nothing wrong with
>that IMHO. *shrug*
>
>Lynda

Not at all, lynda. If you're serious about watching -- not moving to
Amsterdam, for example, or here to tell us we should be watching
another soap -- then baby, I've got all the time in the world for
you. For starters, I'd suggest that you check out Sandy Week's web
site for OLTL history, and Angela Earlye's excellent site 'IMHO," at
http://www.ccnet.com/~earlye/imho.html for some fabulous capsule bios
and high/lows.

[Jamie]

On 10 Feb 98 06:13:08 GMT, "AWFB" <AWFanB...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>For those of us who disliked JFP, here is an excellent analysis of her
>tenure at AW. I have added a TAN since I don't know how relevant this will
>be specifically to non-AW watchers, but perhaps you can get a better sense
>of what her critics have to say of her tenure at AW.

No, actually it doesn't. None of these characters mean anything to
mean, so it doesn't make any sense. Please, everyone, we're not here
to discuss AW - that's another newsgroup. It's always great fun to
have new blood here in RATSA, but it's a little frustrating for me to
wade through all the posts about where the new actor has come from, to
see posts about the ABC soaps. I could really care less about AW, or
about this actor (yet). Until he makes a difference to OLTL, he's
just a stranger that has been (unfortunately) thrust into my beloved
show.

This isn't the place to discuss AW. There's another place for that.

That said, your appreciation for netiquette is good. Thanks for the
TAN as an attempt to stay within the lines for this newsgroup. (This
is =not= a sarcastic statement. I'm sincerely thanking you for
attention to this detail.)

Thank you.

[Lynda Moulton]

In article <34e0dc23...@enews.newsguy.com>, cava...@alltel.net
(DonnaB) wrote:

> I know I'll have to look in on OLTL even more with Kale & Tim here,
> but I cannot watch more than 3 shows every single day. I cannot, I
> cannot, I cannot. Arrgh. <G>

Hope this header change is okay.

I'm going to give it a shot. I can have the TV on as I work at my 'puter
at home (I write--mostly for my own amusement). I have noticed in RATSA
that some folks post under ALL ABC headers. That makes 3.5 hours of soaps
per day! I don't know how people do it. As it is, I'm going to have to
tape OLTL on the downstairs VCR because it is on opposite AW in my area.
This is going to be challenging. Luckily my family is grown and I don't
have that time obligation any more, and I'm single again. I CAN'T give up
AW, GH or PC! I also can't give up my day job <G>. So many soaps--so
little time!

I'm really looking forward to catching OLTL today.

[AWFB]

Isn't One Life to Live on in Amsterdam? And what's wrong with Amsterdam?

Tom

[AWFB]

WEEEEELLLLLLLLL, THATSSSSSSSSSS BETTTERRRRRRR MY SONNNNNNN.

Justine

Adrian <gobo...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in article

<34ef58f6...@news.zippo.com>...