Shows That Were Great But Turned Evil
Lots42
I still feel sad when I think about what a deep hurting pain fest that great
shown turned into. (But at least the concept of the show allows me to believe
the deep hurting was simply a dumbified alternate universe and the great show
part still continues)
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Dylonius Funk
"Lots42" <lot...@aol.comaol.com> wrote in message
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> Classic example: Sliders.
>
> I still feel sad when I think about what a deep hurting pain fest that
great
> shown turned into. (But at least the concept of the show allows me to
believe
> the deep hurting was simply a dumbified alternate universe and the great
show
> part still continues)
But this last season has been primarily John and Aryen shipperr angst and
soap opera tripw. Between the Jothee/dargo/Chiana triangel, the twinning of
the Crichton's and the one on Talyn dying and leaveing Aryen to deal with
her new emotions, then returning to Moya to find bouny upbeat John waiting.
I found that there were to many wasted opprotunites, especcially for Chiana
Dargo and Jool especcially. I kept waiting for the Jool episode, the one
where we see some flashbacks, or at least find out some stuff. Every other
character has had some sort of flashback episode.
Aryen"The Way We Weren't"
Crichton"Won't Get Fooled Again"
Zhann"Rhapsody In Blue"
Dargo"They've Got A Secret:"
Pilot"same as Aryen"
Crais"guess TWWW would work to"
Chiana 'A Clockwork Nebari"
Scorpius"Incubator"
But what about jool? Nothing. Now maybe the powers that be have some great
stories planned for her. I don't know. I just hope they l;ay off some off
the J/A angsts and l;et some other characters shine for a bit. Ok rant off
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>
> Classic example: Sliders.
And throw in Moonlighting, Murphy Brown, and the Simpsons while you're
at it.
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Fish Eye no Miko
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Beauty and the Beast.
Catherine Johnson.
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>
> Beauty and the Beast.
Oo, forgot that one. Major, MAJOR evil.
Derek Janssen (Like, Twin Peaks:Season 2-type evil?...No. Much, much worse.)
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Michelle Zalas
>
> Classic example: Sliders.
>
> I still feel sad when I think about what a deep hurting pain fest that great
> shown turned into. (But at least the concept of the show allows me to believe
> the deep hurting was simply a dumbified alternate universe and the great show
> part still continues)
Throw in The X-Files. I liked it until around Mulder's "death." That's
when things started to go downhill.
Fish Eye no Miko
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> Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
>
> > Beauty and the Beast.
>
> Oo, forgot that one. Major, MAJOR evil.
> Derek Janssen (Like, Twin Peaks:Season 2-type evil?...No. Much, much
worse.)
The thing that annoyed me was: They took Linda Hamilton off the show
because she got pregnant, then brought her back, making the character...
PREGNANT. ARGH! Why just not have her be pregnant all along?!
Frankly, I'm glad I stopped watching it when I did... ~_~
Catherine Johnson.
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lot...@aol.comaol.com (Lots42) wrote:
>Classic example: Sliders.
>
>I still feel sad when I think about what a deep hurting pain fest that great
>shown turned into. (But at least the concept of the show allows me to believe
>the deep hurting was simply a dumbified alternate universe and the great show
>part still continues)
Homicide: Life on the Streets
Started off with a fantastic, mostly-lumpy-guy cast, exceptional
realism, and a lot of thoughtful, subtle story lines. Then the brain
trust at NBC decided it needed more babes, "frat boys with guns", and
action-packed storylines. So gone was Jon Polito, in came Isabella
whatsername in silk blouses, gone were Baldwin and Beatty, and in were
Reed Diamond, Michelle Forbes in a totally ridiculous role as chief
medical examiner, and a bunch of other people I'd rather forget. Gone
were the days of an entire episode focusing on the detectives sitting
around shooting the breeze while waiting for the phone to ring, and in
with twin serial killers, snipers, Luther Mahoney the evil
supercriminal, and Bayliss having sex in a coffin.
I gave up when they got rid of Melissa Leo--that pretty much told me how
much contempt NBC had for the real strengths of the show. I know from
previews shown on NBC and from other people's descriptions of the show
that it got even worse after that--"just because I'm a fashion model
doesn't mean I can't be a homicide detective." Gawd.
-cg, jeez, I didn't realize I was still that mad about the whole thing.
Maybe I need some chocolate chip cookies and beer.
Wheat Cracker Experience
One of my favorite ABC Friday nighters--it was like a funny The Wonder
Years. Then they went from jr. high to high school, and it became
like, well, The Wonder Years.
Should also mention Mathnet, after they lost the Monday chick and got
the Tuesday chick.
Tammy Stephanie Davis
Lots42 <lot...@aol.comaol.com> wrote:
:Classic example: Sliders.
:
:I still feel sad when I think about what a deep hurting pain fest that great
:shown turned into. (But at least the concept of the show allows me to believe
:the deep hurting was simply a dumbified alternate universe and the great show
:part still continues)
Winner of this category? Earth: The Final Conflict. After an
interesting, compelling first season, everything changed to an
outrageous mass of brain-pain, what-the-hell? stories and characters.
It's now in its, blissfully, last year and has no resemblance to
its first year whatsoever.
---TSD(What were they thinking?)
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>
> Boy Meets World.
>
> One of my favorite ABC Friday nighters--it was like a funny The Wonder
> Years. Then they went from jr. high to high school, and it became
> like, well, The Wonder Years.
Head of the Class--Started out as just a simple "Welcome Back, Kotter"
for the 80's, then...what, did they have a school musical every TWO WEEKS??
Derek Janssen
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Muse
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>Lots42 wrote:
>>
>> Classic example: Sliders.
>
>And throw in Moonlighting, Murphy Brown, and the Simpsons while you're
>at it.
An oldie but a goodie: you remember Land of The Lost? If you
remember the third year where the father "escaped" from the past only
to be replaced his the kids' uncle, then you might need a lobotomy to
excise that terrible moment from your memories.
Miles Jackson
>
> I still feel sad when I think about what a deep hurting pain fest that
great
> shown turned into. (But at least the concept of the show allows me to
believe
> the deep hurting was simply a dumbified alternate universe and the great
show
> part still continues)
> --
Nominee for the lamest de-evolution: Tales from a parallel universe
(originally on Showtime?) becomes LEXX. Everything the Sci-Fi channel
touches turns to--dreck?
Miles
The Heel
was on. When the protagonist's actor changed, she started to hate the
show and vows to never again watch it.
Personally, I think that "Married With Children" (one of my three
favorite shows ever, with MST3K & Iron Chef) grew VERY rank towards
the end, but FOX was basically raping the show by giving it awful time
slots, no real promos & devaluing everything it was capable of. Smacks
of SCI-FI's treatment of the BBI crew two years later, no?
Tammy Stephanie Davis
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:Lots42 <lot...@aol.comaol.com> wrote in message
MST3K wasn't dreck. Farscape isn't dreck.
---TSD(SciFi channel isn't everything that it can be, but its not
all dreck either.)
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> My sister's big thing was "Profiler" when the first female Profiler
> was on. When the protagonist's actor changed, she started to hate the
> show and vows to never again watch it.
MY sister hated "Profiler." Mainly because she wanted to be one someday
herself, and the show's writers seemed to confuse "Profiler" with "Psychic."
*grimace*
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1. Sabrina, The Teenage Witch
Cute and harmless in the beginning, but the writers just had no idea
where to go.
2. Andromeda
Good first season, bad second season.
3. Xena: Warrior Princess
Until all it was was a bunch of stupid parodies. Like the mermaid
episode... *shudder*
4. Star Trek: Voyager
Okay, it showed a little promise... maybe a little... okay, not
really. After 7 of 9 joined up, it would take hell or highwater to
make me like that show ever again. Poor Robert Picardo... the only
good character on that series. :-(
IHMO,
Darth Kirby
Jeff Richards
wrote:
Agreed. I think Jeri Ryan is a very talented actress, but I've got
this thing against shows that claim to stand for enlightened times and
place such a blatant sex symbol in. I've got nothing against
attractive women in entertainment, but I really don't like being
manipulated so blatantly.
Subtle manipulation, on the other hand, can while away many an
evening... :-)
Fish Eye no Miko
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> "The Heel" <Ediso...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > My sister's big thing was "Profiler" when the first female Profiler
> > was on. When the protagonist's actor changed, she started to
> > hate the show and vows to never again watch it.
>
> MY sister hated "Profiler." Mainly because she wanted to be one
> someday herself, and the show's writers seemed to confuse "Profiler"
> with "Psychic." *grimace*
See, that always confused me seeing the ads... I was like, wait, is she
psychic?
BTW, _Profiler_ struck me as something of a rip-off _Pretender_, where
Jarod could get inside the heads of others.
Catherine Johnson.
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Lots42
-profilers-
>See, that always confused me seeing the ads... I was like, wait, is she
>psychic?
In the real world, there are people who specialize in taking tiny little clues
and then declaring 'The suspect is a tall white man who hates beer'. Crazy shit
like that but it works a lot.
Robert Knaus
then it started concentrating far too heavily on the Niles/Daphne
romance (with godawful Enya-style music in all of the promos), and I
haven't watched since.
Mela SN
> Classic example: Sliders.
>
> I still feel sad when I think about what a deep hurting pain fest that great
> shown turned into. (But at least the concept of the show allows me to believe
> the deep hurting was simply a dumbified alternate universe and the great show
> part still continues)
Sliders is a good example. A more recent one, for me at least, is The
Simpsons. It's like they can't get an episode on the air unless
there's a guest star, and they've just thrown in the towel as far as
actual characterization in lieu of shtick. Crying shame.
Mela SN
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> 3. Xena: Warrior Princess
> Until all it was was a bunch of stupid parodies. Like the mermaid
> episode... *shudder*
I stopped with two things: One, Xena & crew got involved with a loose
take-off of Biblical events, and two, they killed off Joxer.
Honestly, Ted Raimi was the only reason I watched that show.
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Lots42
>I stopped with two things: One, Xena & crew got involved with a loose
>take-off of Biblical events, and two, they killed off Joxer.
What? I thought Joxer left to do the whole 'Mysterious Lone Stranger' thing.
(There was a wonderful Joxer death when Xena did 'Groundhog Day'.)
MechaMan Turbo
>1. Sabrina, The Teenage Witch
>Cute and harmless in the beginning, but the writers just had no idea
>where to go.
I never liked that series. ^_^;
>2. Andromeda
>Good first season, bad second season.
I agree. The first season had the real Roddenberry-type flare that the first
season of Earth: Final Conflict had then, like E:FC, it all went down hill.
Note: Never expect a series other than Star Trek to survive if the late Gene
Roddenberry's name is on it. ^^;
>3. Xena: Warrior Princess
>Until all it was was a bunch of stupid parodies. Like the mermaid
>episode... *shudder*
Actually, I liked it until the final episode. I'm still pissed they cut her
head off. ^_^;;
>4. Star Trek: Voyager
>Okay, it showed a little promise... maybe a little... okay, not
>really. After 7 of 9 joined up, it would take hell or highwater to
>make me like that show ever again. Poor Robert Picardo... the only
>good character on that series. :-(
I thought I was the only person alive who thought this! 7 of 9 totally ruined
Voyager. I enjoyed it until Barbie Borg was added. ~_~;
-Fory, The Former Mysterious Lurker
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> Homicide: Life on the Streets
creepygirl, marry me this instant.
> Started off with a fantastic, mostly-lumpy-guy cast, exceptional
> realism, and a lot of thoughtful, subtle story lines. Then the brain
> trust at NBC decided it needed more babes, "frat boys with guns", and
> action-packed storylines.
and a completely unrealistic ethnic diversity. that was what really
burned my cheese - they replaced some damn good characters not because
they had nowhere to go story-wise, but because the network wanted to
jump on the 'pc' bandwagon in an attempt to appear 'hip' (and also the
politically-inaccurate bandwagon, since david simon writes in the book
that started the whole series that most homicide departments, for good
or ill, are chock full of doughy balding white guys).
So gone was Jon Polito, in came Isabella
> whatsername in silk blouses, gone were Baldwin and Beatty, and in were
> Reed Diamond,
*hisses and spits*
Michelle Forbes in a totally ridiculous role as chief
> medical examiner,
actually i rather liked her character. i can forgive her inclusion,
too, on the basis of that one single scene in the morgue where she was
sitting there after her shift, just talking to someone (bayliss?
mikeyboy?), and someone from a funeral home comes in to prepare a
body. she gets up, gives them the body, and starts to cry - and all of
a sudden you realize she's been sitting there talking to her co-worker
whilst waiting for the funeral home to come pick up her father. still
gives me chills.
and a bunch of other people I'd rather forget. Gone
> were the days of an entire episode focusing on the detectives sitting
> around shooting the breeze while waiting for the phone to ring,
i loved that ep. you know what the main difference was in the early
shows? they were willing to tell unglamarous stories. a bunch of
sweaty detectives going stir crazy in the middle of the night waiting
for a call is not glamorous, but damn was it good. ditto the story
about the two black mothers that fate threw together in the homicide
squad: one whose son was murdered; one whose son was on his way to
prison for the crime.
gone also were the days when the cases didn't all have happy endings
(or 'satisfying resolutions', in tv suit lingo). that's what i hate
about most cop/courtroom shows - the characters' jobs must not be very
hard; since they always get the bad guys every single time.
and in
> with twin serial killers, snipers, Luther Mahoney the evil
> supercriminal
*hisses, spits, and wishes several writers into the cornfield*
> I gave up when they got rid of Melissa Leo--that pretty much told me how
> much contempt NBC had for the real strengths of the show.
too right. for me it died when it started to become 'the tim and
frank' show. in a program chock full of fascinating and complex
characters, they relegated 90% of the screen time to bayliss and
pembleton (presumably to accomodate andre braugher's ego - and may i
just say, for that reason alone, i'm exceedingly glad his new med show
tanked).
the worst example of contempt, though, was their treatment of munch.
brilliantly neurotic character, and he never had more than four lines
an episode. the only reason i started watching law and order:svu was
in the hopes that they'd remedy this stupid mistake...and they've gone
and done the exact same thing! rrr!
I know from
> previews shown on NBC and from other people's descriptions of the show
> that it got even worse after that--"just because I'm a fashion model
> doesn't mean I can't be a homicide detective." Gawd.
yup. also, because of all the new characters, it had exactly the same
kind of feeling as when a new company/business/whatever starts up, and
nobody knows each other very well but they still have to work
together, so there's lots of awkward pauses in conversation and
silences at the water cooler.
riveting to watch, eh, nbc?
> -cg, jeez, I didn't realize I was still that mad about the whole thing.
> Maybe I need some chocolate chip cookies and beer.
*grabs a bag of famous amos and goes over to creepygirl's house*
Q
and if that fails, you can always catch the reruns of the show when it
was still good on court tv
Antaeus Feldspar
statistical and analytical. The statistical profilers simply add up the
case studies and say things like, "out of all the recorded cases we have
of this kind of killing, in less than 2% did the killer ever choose a
target that was not of his own race. Therefore, we're probably looking
for an Asian male killer, since all the victims are Asian." This type
of profiling tends to produce surprising but surprisingly accurate results.
Whenever you see "profilers" on TV, however, they're almost always
analytical profilers, who try to deduce the psychology of an unknown
suspect from the details of the crime and then work forward from the
psychology of the suspect towards what else such a person would do.
This is supposedly how the "Mad Bomber" of the 40's was caught, in a
masterpiece of psychological insight in which the suspect's national
origin, home life, even his mode of dress, were all correctly predicted
simply through a single psychologist's brilliant analysis of the
evidence. This story is still repeated as true today, but its origin is
in the autobiography of that psychologist, who omitted all the false
predictions he made about the suspect (nearly all) and instead credited
himself with predicting things that were only know about the suspect
once he had been caught.
-jc
Derek Janssen
>
> >1. Sabrina, The Teenage Witch
> >Cute and harmless in the beginning, but the writers just had no idea
> >where to go.
>
> I never liked that series. ^_^;
Could you imagine a world where people actually TALKED the way the
characters do on "Sabrina"?...
...I know--Creepy, isn't it? 0_0;;;
Derek Janssen
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Robert Hutchinson
> >4. Star Trek: Voyager
> >Okay, it showed a little promise... maybe a little... okay, not
> >really. After 7 of 9 joined up, it would take hell or highwater to
> >make me like that show ever again. Poor Robert Picardo... the only
> >good character on that series. :-(
>
> I thought I was the only person alive who thought this! 7 of 9 totally ruined
> Voyager. I enjoyed it until Barbie Borg was added. ~_~;
I managed to somewhat enjoy it for all of its run, but I'd say the real
drop in quality came in the second season, also known as the
"consequences? what consequences?" season. Stupid Kazon.
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MechaMan Turbo
>drop in quality came in the second season, also known as the
>"consequences? what consequences?" season. Stupid Kazon.
>
I didn't really like the Kazon either. ^_^;
Freezer
> Classic example: Sliders.
>
> I still feel sad when I think about what a deep hurting pain fest that great
> shown turned into. (But at least the concept of the show allows me to believe
> the deep hurting was simply a dumbified alternate universe and the great show
> part still continues)
From most of the suggestions here, it would seem that this thread
should be subtitled "Damn, that last season *SUCKED!*" or "Just cancel
it, already!"
And on that note let me add, along with the aforementioned Beauty &
The Beast, Married With Children
New York Undercover (Or as I liked to call it NYPD Vibe): The show
was great for what it was, then they kill half the cast and stick the
survivors into 21 Jump Street's retarded cousin.
ER: It's been in the toilet for me ever since they let Eriq LaSalle
veto Dr. Benton and Dr. Corday (Just try to let a white actor do that
to a black actress...) but it seems now that their not even trying
anymore. Their idea of conflict now seems to be having Dr. Romano
decide to flex his ego at an underling and having no one call him on
it. And don't even get me started on Dr. Rossovic... um, Dr. Kovac.
Crime Story: What they did to this show is a classic case of not
walking away when you should. I mean... Ray Lucca surviving A NUCLEAR
BLAST without even so much as burn scars? And we're supposed to buy
that the government would be stupid enough to give him immunity? Bah!
Mork & Mindy: Mirth. 'Nuff said.
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>
>ER: It's been in the toilet for me ever since they let Eriq LaSalle
>veto Dr. Benton and Dr. Corday
Er was good until Clooney left
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I think I'm the only ER fan who didn't give one whit about Clooney's
leaving. I didn't think the show suffered for it at all. It's gotten bad
since then, but that has nothing to do with the absence of Clooney, imo.
Catherine Johnson, who finds it interesting that Clooney was on two shows
called _ER_.
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: Frasier was a wonderfully witty farce for it's first few seasons, but
: then it started concentrating far too heavily on the Niles/Daphne
: romance (with godawful Enya-style music in all of the promos), and I
: haven't watched since.
The Enya music is "Friends" (which was Evil to begin with).
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* Paula Zahn's jacket unzipped*
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: Classic example: Sliders.
"That's Life". Anyone in rec.arts.tv knows my bile.
It was a cute, quirky show about a Jersey Italian family and based on the
life of the executive producer. What happened? They canned the Exec,
brought in a soap opera writer, and turned it into "providence".
It sucks when you're told your life isn't bringing in boffo ratings.
Darth Kirby
> >I managed to somewhat enjoy it for all of its run, but I'd say the real
> >drop in quality came in the second season, also known as the
> >"consequences? what consequences?" season. Stupid Kazon.
>
> I didn't really like the Kazon either. ^_^;
I think we were supposed to think of them as sort of the gangsters of
the Delta Quadrant, but they came off as a bunch of stooges. The only
good plotline from Voyager, IHMO, was the Seska/betrayal thing.
And, honestly, I thought the show showed some promise in the first
season. I mean, it started with a good idea, but it rapidly did
nothing with it.
Oh, and there has never been any character that has pissed me off as
much as Kathryn Janeway. She was ALWAYS right. So right that she's
going to be made admiral in the next movie!
Gah. Sorry, but I saw the TV Guide's 'Star Trek 35th Anniversary'
thing today, and I kept thinking over and over how much I miss DS9...
and then I turn the page and see Kathryn Janeway who gets a happy
ending for being perfect. I swear, I would beat up whoever wrote
'Endgame'. I mean, it had a good idea, but if you're going to send
them back to Earth, at least let us see the consequences. I mean,
seven years, innumerable violations, the whole crappy Barcly (sp?)
subplot... And Janeway gets promoted for all that! ARGH!
Oh, and the guide's best way to describe 7 of 9 was 'curvilicious'.
*groan*
Stupid Voyager. Ruining my faith in Star Trek. Blah.
Darth Kirby
Who thought that "Sacrifice of Angels" was one of the five best DS9
episodes, but "Duet" was pretty good...
Mela SN
> >From: mel...@lycos.com (Mela SN)
>
> >I stopped with two things: One, Xena & crew got involved with a loose
> >take-off of Biblical events, and two, they killed off Joxer.
>
> What? I thought Joxer left to do the whole 'Mysterious Lone Stranger' thing.
It's been a while, so I'm probably making a slew of mistakes, and I'll
appreciate any corrections.
Joxer did leave, but they ran into him when they did that weird time
jump to the future (with Xena's evil daughter). Joxer was an old man
and had a son that looked like that chunkhead hero guy in "Space
Mutiny". He was killed to establish that Xena's daughter was evil,
and his slab o' manmeat son went on the mandatory macho vengeance kick
while travelling with Xena and Gabrielle.
And please don't get me started on the whole thing with the
pseudo-Jesus. I usually don't wish for the wrath of mindless
religious protestor types, but honestly, this approach was so bad it
deserved it.
> (There was a wonderful Joxer death when Xena did 'Groundhog Day'.)
Huh. Didn't see that one.
And I'm with whoever called Married With Children. The whole Peg's
Mother era was pretty painful.
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Lots42
>Joxer did leave, but they ran into him when they did that weird time
>jump to the future (with Xena's evil daughter).
I thought it was Gabrielle who had an evil daughter.
Fish Eye no Miko
They both did.
Catherine Johnson.
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MechaMan Turbo
Voyager did have some good episodes such as the first Q episode (yet the second
and third tanked for me. ^_^;) and the one where George Takei made an
appearance. The first season eps are pretty decent. Even though I enjoyed the
final episode, "Endgame", I found it hardly original and earth shattering. And
I share your longing for more DS9...that show just plainly rocked. It took a
engrossing look at the darker side of the Star Trek mythos, but Paramount sees
the show as a black sheep and a failure. That just shows you where their heads
are. ^^;;
-Fory, Who can't wait for "Nemesis"
MechaMan Turbo
>> I thought it was Gabrielle who had an evil daughter.
>
>They both did.
Rule Number # 1 of Xena: Everyone has an evil daughter.
-Fory, The Former Mysterious Lurker
Jeff Richards
wrote:
Personally, I found Deep Space 9 very unengaging... I really liked
TNG, especially when they took some chances (I *wish* they had pushed
the "Schisms" concept further... that was a seriously creepy episode
at times), but I found DS9 to be filled with a large bunch of whiners
for so many episodes that I turned it off. I did catch it during the
Dominion War and found it to be far more involving. Although the
characters had far more weaknesses than the TNG folk, which gave them
more dramatic potential internally, I don't think the writers gave
them enough strengths, Quark and Dax being notable exceptions. :-) For
me, DS9 had too many writing woes for too long to hold me. I freely
admit it may have got better during the time I was no longer watching.
Jeff (who tuned in, excited that Spencer's "Hawk" was a Starfleet
Officer.... little did I know...)
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Mela SN
She did. Then Xena had one in the sucky years of the series (that was
supposed to be Callisto reborn to be redeemed or something). It's
easy to lose track of the evil daughters.
Mela SN
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Heck, I'm surprised Joxer didn't have an evil daughter.
Dave
>>> I thought it was Gabrielle who had an evil daughter.
>>
>>They both did.
>
>Rule Number # 1 of Xena: Everyone has an evil daughter.
I disagree: if there's a rule #1 of Xena, its going to have something to do
with boobs.
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Lots42
>>
>> I thought it was Gabrielle who had an evil daughter.
>
>They both did.
>
>Catherine Johnson.
Oy vey.
I'm glad I stopped watching after Gaby besprogged. What a pointless, sad bunch
of plotlines.
Robert Knaus
disintegrate with a series of increasingly inane subplots (like that
whole ludicrous amnesia bit). It's still good, but it started out GREAT.
Darth Kirby
> and third tanked for me. ^_^;) and the one where George Takei made an
> appearance. The first season eps are pretty decent.
I agree, especially with the George Takei ep ("Flashback"). I liked
that one a lot, but felt that "Trials and Tribble-ations" was better
in many ways... man, where are my DS9 tapes? Paramount had better
release it on season sets like it did NextGen.
> Even though I enjoyed the
> final episode, "Endgame", I found it hardly original and earth shattering.
The whole Janeway from the future plot really annoyed me, because just
when Evil Future Janeway is about to do the smart and safe thing,
Angel Present Janeway butts in, pointing out the flaws of the Evil
Future Janeway's ways. It was like a bad episode of "Facts of Life,"
or "Doctor Who," or something.
> And
> I share your longing for more DS9...that show just plainly rocked.
Oh my dear sweet DS9... how do I love thee? Let me count the ways...
maybe later.
> It took a
> engrossing look at the darker side of the Star Trek mythos, but Paramount sees
> the show as a black sheep and a failure. That just shows you where their heads
> are. ^^;;
But they brought Tomb Raider to the big screen! They can't be all bad!
(groan)
> -Fory, Who can't wait for "Nemesis"
Darth Kirby
Who's read the script review of "Nemesis" and prays that it's better
than it sounds.
Catra-Dohtem Inc
>disintegrate with a series of increasingly inane subplots (like that
>whole ludicrous amnesia bit). It's still good, but it started out GREAT
I lost interest in that show after the eighth straight episode of everybody
sleeping.
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Yeah baby!
It just didn't have 24 hours worth of stuff to put into its day. (It
should have been called 16.)
Also, unlike a film or a mini-series, it seems pretty clear that this
whole story was not plotted out from the beginning.
Amnesia is 100% stupid. Unless you've got a whole movie dedicated to
amnesia, then you can't just use it to separate two characters for a
few hours.
I wanted to love 24, and I'll still watch it to the end, but I think
their mistake was literally trying to squeeze 24 hours of plot out of
a story that didn't warrant that much.
I never wanted to see any of the plot with Senator Palmer's family,
not anything involoving the sensitive guy that the daughter hooked up
with in the first episode.
Still, there are always killer moments! What about Palmer's aide,
when she tries to bluff her way through the meeting with the assassin?
That was awesome!
And... well... Mandy was cool!
Still, they should have treated it more like a single, coherent story
and they shouldn't be introducing new (stupid) wrinkles this late in
the story. Suddenly one of Palmer's staff has a crush on him? At
8:00 PM in the story??
No way! When you've got terrorists, you don't need lovestruck secret
admirers!
And there's one too many people having sex with each other back at
CTU. Nina should have been hooked up with only Jack or only Tony.
Not both.
Still, I've had at least 12 hours of really good stuff out of the last
20 hours of programming. A WAY better ratio than I've enjoyed with
the episodes of Friends I'm sometimes forced to watch.
D
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MechaMan Turbo
>I agree, especially with the George Takei ep ("Flashback"). I liked
>that one a lot, but felt that "Trials and Tribble-ations" was better
>in many ways... man, where are my DS9 tapes? Paramount had better
>release it on season sets like it did NextGen.
Trials and Tribble-ations is one of my favorite DS9 episodes mainly because
TOS' Trouble with Tribbles is my all time favorite Trek episode. That and
Return of the Archons. I hope they release DS9 on DVD sets soon. I'm tired of
setting tapes for episodes that have very grainy video and UHF audio. ^^;;
>
>The whole Janeway from the future plot really annoyed me, because just
>when Evil Future Janeway is about to do the smart and safe thing,
>Angel Present Janeway butts in, pointing out the flaws of the Evil
>Future Janeway's ways. It was like a bad episode of "Facts of Life,"
>or "Doctor Who," or something.
Yeah, I got that impression too. Plus, it's like my club's representative said,
"When they are losing interest, they resort back to a predictable time travel
plot." ^_^;
>
>
>Oh my dear sweet DS9... how do I love thee? Let me count the ways...
>maybe later
I hope one of the future movies have some of the DS9 characters in it. I know
Insurrection had scenes with Quark but Berman and his gang edited them out.
Hopefully, there will be a special edition DVD with the scenes back in.
>
>
>But they brought Tomb Raider to the big screen! They can't be all bad!
>(groan)
They're making a sequel to that film. The only thing I liked about Tomb Raider
was some of the techno music and the only reason that is because I will be
using some of it for a fan-made anime music video for future cons (Erm, I'm not
a geek! I swear! ^~).
>
>> -Fory, Who can't wait for "Nemesis"
>
>Darth Kirby
>Who's read the script review of "Nemesis" and prays that it's better
>than it sounds.
Bad, huh? ^_^;
-Fory, The Former Mysterious Lurker
MechaMan Turbo
>with boobs.
Or musical numbers... ^_~
Carl Burke
...
> Personally, I found Deep Space 9 very unengaging... I really liked
> TNG, especially when they took some chances (I *wish* they had pushed
> the "Schisms" concept further... that was a seriously creepy episode
> at times), but I found DS9 to be filled with a large bunch of whiners
> for so many episodes that I turned it off. I did catch it during the
> Dominion War and found it to be far more involving. Although the
> characters had far more weaknesses than the TNG folk, which gave them
> more dramatic potential internally, I don't think the writers gave
> them enough strengths, Quark and Dax being notable exceptions. :-) For
> me, DS9 had too many writing woes for too long to hold me. I freely
> admit it may have got better during the time I was no longer watching.
On the whole, I enjoyed it, but I just lost interest in the whole
franchise when the Vorlons showed up on Voyager. Right before Sixty
of Nine joined the show. I just discovered that I no longer had enough
interest in it to choose a Trek show over the Weather Channel.
"Enterprise" is turning out OK, as long as they keep the homespun
cornpone and blantant exploitation of Vulcan breasts (compelling though
they are) to a minimum in each episode, and as long as I mute that horrid
theme song. It's a fine example of what it is, but I can't stand that
style of music.
> Jeff (who tuned in, excited that Spencer's "Hawk" was a Starfleet
> Officer.... little did I know...)
Yeah, we all expected more. Better written than his spinoff show
was, though. That one just never clicked. But it didn't turn evil;
not like the Fox show "Mantis" did between the pilot and the first
episode. That had some potential and squandered it like a naive
sailor on his first shoreleave.
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Jeff Richards
wrote:
>Jeff Richards wrote:
>...
>> Personally, I found Deep Space 9 very unengaging... I really liked
>> TNG, especially when they took some chances (I *wish* they had pushed
>> the "Schisms" concept further... that was a seriously creepy episode
>> at times), but I found DS9 to be filled with a large bunch of whiners
>> for so many episodes that I turned it off. I did catch it during the
>> Dominion War and found it to be far more involving. Although the
>> characters had far more weaknesses than the TNG folk, which gave them
>> more dramatic potential internally, I don't think the writers gave
>> them enough strengths, Quark and Dax being notable exceptions. :-) For
>> me, DS9 had too many writing woes for too long to hold me. I freely
>> admit it may have got better during the time I was no longer watching.
>
>On the whole, I enjoyed it, but I just lost interest in the whole
>franchise when the Vorlons showed up on Voyager. Right before Sixty
>of Nine joined the show. I just discovered that I no longer had enough
>interest in it to choose a Trek show over the Weather Channel.
>
>"Enterprise" is turning out OK, as long as they keep the homespun
>cornpone and blantant exploitation of Vulcan breasts (compelling though
>they are) to a minimum in each episode, and as long as I mute that horrid
>theme song. It's a fine example of what it is, but I can't stand that
>style of music.
Honestly, I haven't been able to get into "Enterprise" either. I can't
buy Scott Bakula as a captain of a starship. Granted, I watched two
episodes, and I'm not really a TV fan... I think I'm just realizing
I'm a TNG fan, but not really a Star Trek fan. Although the "Mind
Meld" special was fantastic!
Do you think the reason that the "Voyager" and "Enterprise" doctors
were/are so well-written is that they're over-compensating for having
almost totally wasted Gates McFadden for 7 years?
>
>> Jeff (who tuned in, excited that Spencer's "Hawk" was a Starfleet
>> Officer.... little did I know...)
>
>Yeah, we all expected more. Better written than his spinoff show
>was, though. That one just never clicked. But it didn't turn evil;
>not like the Fox show "Mantis" did between the pilot and the first
>episode. That had some potential and squandered it like a naive
>sailor on his first shoreleave.
You know, that brings up a mental image that is truly frightening...
Robert Hutchinson
> Honestly, I haven't been able to get into "Enterprise" either. I can't
> buy Scott Bakula as a captain of a starship.
I can't buy him as the captain of a water polo team.
C'mon, Scott! Act! The range of emotions is your friend.
Carl Burke
...
> Do you think the reason that the "Voyager" and "Enterprise" doctors
> were/are so well-written is that they're over-compensating for having
> almost totally wasted Gates McFadden for 7 years?
I'd like to think so, but I doubt they've given it that much thought.
I think they're just better at writing ascerbic yet condescending
outsiders. Which may reveal some inner contempt for the material,
or may just be lack of skill.
> >
> >> Jeff (who tuned in, excited that Spencer's "Hawk" was a Starfleet
> >> Officer.... little did I know...)
> >
> >Yeah, we all expected more. Better written than his spinoff show
> >was, though. That one just never clicked. But it didn't turn evil;
> >not like the Fox show "Mantis" did between the pilot and the first
> >episode. That had some potential and squandered it like a naive
> >sailor on his first shoreleave.
>
> You know, that brings up a mental image that is truly frightening...
Heh heh heh.
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Just in case anyone wants to watch this on repeats... a lot of it
*was* pretty good.
Hence, the relative lack of spoilers in my analysis.
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Jeff Richards
<ser...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Jeff Richards says...
>
>> Honestly, I haven't been able to get into "Enterprise" either. I can't
>> buy Scott Bakula as a captain of a starship.
>
>I can't buy him as the captain of a water polo team.
>
>C'mon, Scott! Act! The range of emotions is your friend.
Oh, I *liked* that one! <chuckle>
Bill Livingston
>I will now pre-emptively add NYPD Blue to the list, starting at the
>moment Connie and Sipowitz get horizontal.
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Fish Eye no Miko
news:20020508070745...@mb-bg.aol.com...
> Trials and Tribble-ations is one of my favorite DS9 episodes mainly
> because TOS' Trouble with Tribbles is my all time favorite Trek episode.
"Yes, those are Klingons. It's a long story."
Catherine Johnson.
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Robert Hutchinson
> Robert Hutchinson wrote:
> >Jeff Richards says...
> >
> >> Honestly, I haven't been able to get into "Enterprise" either. I can't
> >> buy Scott Bakula as a captain of a starship.
> >
> >I can't buy him as the captain of a water polo team.
> >
> >C'mon, Scott! Act! The range of emotions is your friend.
>
> Oh, I *liked* that one! <chuckle>
Thankyew. Better yet, he actually did act during tonight's episodes, both
of which were pretty good IMO.
Mirror Spock
<cath...@feablenm.net> went upon the mount and spoke thus:
>"MechaMan Turbo" <fort...@aol.comNny> wrote in message
>news:20020508070745...@mb-bg.aol.com...
>
>> Trials and Tribble-ations is one of my favorite DS9 episodes mainly
>> because TOS' Trouble with Tribbles is my all time favorite Trek episode.
>
>"Yes, those are Klingons. It's a long story."
>
That was the only downside to the episode. They blew a chance to
explain the sudden sprouting of ridges that the Klingons did.
* Robinson
Panthea
> 2. Andromeda
> Good first season, bad second season.
Well, yeah. 'Cause fucking Kevin Sorbo got his stupid fucking claws into
it.
I *hate* it when this man tries to run things. He always makes it all
about him, him, him.
> 4. Star Trek: Voyager
The thing that always bugged me about Voyager is that they started with
such an incredible premise- two crews ideologically opposed, thrown
together, one member of one crew supposedly having betrayed the other,
et cetera, et al- and then they *didn't do anything interesting* with
it. Everyone ended up getting along swell. Hardly any genuine tension to
speak of.
That, and I can never maintain interest in any Star Trek series; they're
all a bit too self-righteous for me. But Voyager could've been so
*good*, in a Farscape kinda way, and they totally dropped the ball. (In
fact, Farscape kind of is what Voyager should have been, or at least in
the firs season it was- people thrown together who don't like and don't
trust each other and have to rely on each other to survive....)
Pan
Robert Hutchinson
> Fish Eye no Miko went upon the mount and spoke thus:
> >MechaMan Turbo wrote ...
> >> Trials and Tribble-ations is one of my favorite DS9 episodes mainly
> >> because TOS' Trouble with Tribbles is my all time favorite Trek episode.
> >
> >"Yes, those are Klingons. It's a long story."
>
> That was the only downside to the episode. They blew a chance to
> explain the sudden sprouting of ridges that the Klingons did.
They didn't blow a chance. They tweaked the noses of a bunch of Trek
fans. Very funny, IMO.
MechaMan Turbo
I thought that was a great way of explaining the whole Klingon ridges debate.
Another quote about it was from the late Gene Roddenberry himself, "We didn't
have any money back then!"
Tammy Stephanie Davis
Mirror Spock <robi...@msu.edu> wrote:
:On Thu, 09 May 2002 05:18:24 GMT, "Fish Eye no Miko"
Actually saying "Yes, those are Klingons. It's a long story" was
the only thing that could be said. Anything else would have sounded
silly.
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Lots42 wrote:
>
> Classic example: Sliders.
>
> I still feel sad when I think about what a deep hurting pain fest that great
> shown turned into. (But at least the concept of the show allows me to believe
> the deep hurting was simply a dumbified alternate universe and the great show
> part still continues)
Ohhhh...that was so my favorite show for a while....
You should've been on the Sliders list during Season 3, with most of us TRYING to find
GOOD things to say about it..."Well, this week's episode wasn't as bad as last week's..."
"THAT part of the episode was interesting..." stuff like that. Once Kari Whu-rst came on
the show, most of us gave up.
It seems like many shows start out great and then go downhill. I thought Star Trek: TNG
was getting pretty hokey in its last season and was glad it ended while still somewhat
strong.
Was I the only one who kinda liked the first season of SeaQuest?
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creepygirl
sq...@hotmail.com (Q) wrote:
>creepygirl <creep...@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Homicide: Life on the Streets
>
>
>creepygirl, marry me this instant.
Sure! Will it be at the white or the dark chocolate vat?
>> Started off with a fantastic, mostly-lumpy-guy cast, exceptional
>> realism, and a lot of thoughtful, subtle story lines. Then the brain
>> trust at NBC decided it needed more babes, "frat boys with guns", and
>> action-packed storylines.
>
>
>and a completely unrealistic ethnic diversity. that was what really
>burned my cheese - they replaced some damn good characters not because
>they had nowhere to go story-wise, but because the network wanted to
>jump on the 'pc' bandwagon in an attempt to appear 'hip' (and also the
>politically-inaccurate bandwagon, since david simon writes in the book
>that started the whole series that most homicide departments, for good
>or ill, are chock full of doughy balding white guys).
Yeah, L&O did this as well. I missed Dann Florek.
>Michelle Forbes in a totally ridiculous role as chief
>> medical examiner,
>
>
>actually i rather liked her character. i can forgive her inclusion,
>too, on the basis of that one single scene in the morgue where she was
>sitting there after her shift, just talking to someone (bayliss?
>mikeyboy?), and someone from a funeral home comes in to prepare a
>body. she gets up, gives them the body, and starts to cry - and all of
>a sudden you realize she's been sitting there talking to her co-worker
>whilst waiting for the funeral home to come pick up her father. still
>gives me chills.
I like Michelle Forbes, but I disliked the complete departure from
anything approaching realism--she's too young to be the Chief M.E., AND
the Chief M.E. doesn't go to crime scenes, so why make her the Chief
M.E.? And why does she show up at every freaking crime scene as our
favorite detectives every week. I think the show with Jill Hennessey is
what NBC really wanted to do with this character.
>and a bunch of other people I'd rather forget. Gone
>> were the days of an entire episode focusing on the detectives sitting
>> around shooting the breeze while waiting for the phone to ring,
>
>
>i loved that ep. you know what the main difference was in the early
>shows? they were willing to tell unglamarous stories. a bunch of
>sweaty detectives going stir crazy in the middle of the night waiting
>for a call is not glamorous, but damn was it good. ditto the story
>about the two black mothers that fate threw together in the homicide
>squad: one whose son was murdered; one whose son was on his way to
>prison for the crime.
>
>gone also were the days when the cases didn't all have happy endings
>(or 'satisfying resolutions', in tv suit lingo). that's what i hate
>about most cop/courtroom shows - the characters' jobs must not be very
>hard; since they always get the bad guys every single time.
One of my favorite eps was the one where Kay inherits a case that she
can't close, marring her perfect record, and driving her nuts in the
process. We didn't have to have a big revelation about how she's
perfectionist because her dad nagged her or whatever--it's just, she's
fairly demanding of herself, and this is how it unfolds.
Of course, later on, they had to solve that case. It wasn't enough that
the new cases be solved--they had to retroactively solve the old stuff,
too.
>> I gave up when they got rid of Melissa Leo--that pretty much told me how
>> much contempt NBC had for the real strengths of the show.
>
>
>too right. for me it died when it started to become 'the tim and
>frank' show. in a program chock full of fascinating and complex
>characters, they relegated 90% of the screen time to bayliss and
>pembleton (presumably to accomodate andre braugher's ego - and may i
>just say, for that reason alone, i'm exceedingly glad his new med show
>tanked).
>
>the worst example of contempt, though, was their treatment of munch.
>brilliantly neurotic character, and he never had more than four lines
>an episode. the only reason i started watching law and order:svu was
>in the hopes that they'd remedy this stupid mistake...and they've gone
>and done the exact same thing! rrr!
Ah, so it's just as well I haven't got into SVU
>*grabs a bag of famous amos and goes over to creepygirl's house*
>
>Q
>and if that fails, you can always catch the reruns of the show when it
>was still good on court tv
-cg, hmm, another reason, besides Iron Chef, to consider getting cable.
Q
> In article <8b2458bd.02050...@posting.google.com>,
> sq...@hotmail.com (Q) wrote:
>
> >creepygirl <creep...@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
> >news:<creepygirl-8598A...@news.mindspring.com>...
> >
> >> Homicide: Life on the Streets
> >
> >creepygirl, marry me this instant.
>
> Sure! Will it be at the white or the dark chocolate vat?
why not both? our guests could jump into the vat of their choice, and
our entire reception would look like it was populated with little
yin-and-yang symbols.
> I like Michelle Forbes, but I disliked the complete departure from
> anything approaching realism--she's too young to be the Chief M.E., AND
> the Chief M.E. doesn't go to crime scenes, so why make her the Chief
> M.E.? And why does she show up at every freaking crime scene as our
> favorite detectives every week. I think the show with Jill Hennessey is
> what NBC really wanted to do with this character.
looks like it, yeah. not knowing all that other stuff about m.e.'s
(too young, etc), her character inconsistency didn't really bother me,
but i did kind of miss the elvish-looking old guy that played the role
before her. still liked her character though.
It wasn't enough that
> the new cases be solved--they had to retroactively solve the old stuff,
> too.
except for...*dramatic pause while heavenly ray of light descends from
above*...ADENA WATSON, the holy grail of the entire series. ever see
that mockery of a telemovie they aired to 'finish off' the series? not
only did they make the most un-violent member of the entire squad a
cold-blooded killer (munch), they had G die and go to heaven. no, i am
not making this up. while he was up there basking in the heavenly
light, he ran into none other than - you guessed it - the ubiquitous
Adena Watson herself. *barf*
> >the worst example of contempt, though, was their treatment of munch.
> >brilliantly neurotic character, and he never had more than four lines
> >an episode. the only reason i started watching law and order:svu was
> >in the hopes that they'd remedy this stupid mistake...and they've gone
> >and done the exact same thing! rrr!
>
> Ah, so it's just as well I haven't got into SVU
yep. the characters/motivations are so black-and-white the whole show
looks like the first part of the wizard of oz. they do have their rare
moments though, i have to say. last week's ep (the one with martha
plympton and mary steenburgen) was the most gut-wrenching thing i've
ever seen on tv. =<:/
> >and if that fails, you can always catch the reruns of the show when it
> >was still good on court tv
>
> -cg, hmm, another reason, besides Iron Chef, to consider getting cable.
i need it to catch up on the osbournes.
Q
laughed for three days over the cat-behind-the-mirror scene
Pocketwatch
Tammy Stephanie Davis wrote:
They got the ridges from breeding with the ruffles people of frito lay 5.
Kate Halleron
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> I gave up when they got rid of Melissa Leo--that pretty much told me how
> much contempt NBC had for the real strengths of the show.
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That's funny, I gave up on "The Young Riders" when *they* got rid of
Melissa Leo.
That's one. Another one is "Paradise", a rare intelligent Western
until they turned it into "Guns of Paradise." Kinda like if they'd
turned "The Big Valley" into "Guns of San Joaquin." Sheesh.
Kate