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James A. Wolf

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Mar 11, 2002, 7:45:57 PM3/11/02
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Students put twist on mascots
Staff & Wire Reports

published: 3/11/02

Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities

Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
Whities."

The students, at the University of Northern Colorado in Greeley, chose
a white man as a mascot after failing to persuade nearby Eaton High
School to drop a nickname they say offends them.

"The message is, let's do something that will let people see the other
side of what it's like to be a mascot," said Solomon Little Owl,
director of Native American Student Services at UNC.

The intramural team includes Native Americans, Hispanics and Anglos.
They wear jerseys that say, "Every thang's going to be all white."

"It's not meant to be vicious; it is meant to be humorous," said Ray
White, a Mohawk team member. "It puts people in our shoes, and then we
can say, 'Now you know how it is, and now you can make a judgment.' "

The Eaton school uses an Indian caricature on its logo and calls its
teams the Reds. Superintendent John Nuspl said the logo is not
derogatory. "Their interpretations are an insult to our patrons and
blatantly inaccurate," he said. "There's no mockery of Native
Americans with this."

In South Dakota, the issue has simmered for years. Harold Salway,
former Oglala Sioux chairman in Pine Ridge, said some believe the
names are meant to honor Indians. "Others look at it as a gross
denegration. I fall into the second camp," Salway said. "We, as Native
Americans, have too much reverence for ourselves to parlay our
likenesses into the sports arena."

Of the Colorado team, Salway said, "Maybe it's their way of fighting
fire with fire."

Perry Ford, men's basketball coach at Augustana College in Sioux
Falls, said, "I don't think any group should use any nickname that
other people find offensive."

Charles Cuny, a member of the team in Greeley, went to a high school
called the Red Cloud Crusaders, named for a Lakota leader. "We live in
a politically correct society, and sometimes Indians get overlooked,"
he said. "There are so few Indians who have clout that there are a lot
of things that go unsettled."


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Mar 11, 2002, 10:50:19 PM3/11/02
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trailer park."

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delius alan

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Mar 12, 2002, 11:34:42 AM3/12/02
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jaw...@attbi.com (James A. Wolf) wrote in message news:<3c8d51a4...@netnews.attbi.com>...

> Students put twist on mascots
> Staff & Wire Reports
>
> published: 3/11/02
>
> Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities

"HEY, WHITIE!"

-Crow, "Out of This World"

ab

Doug Elrod

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Mar 12, 2002, 4:52:40 PM3/12/02
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In article <3c8d51a4...@netnews.attbi.com>, jaw...@attbi.com (James
A. Wolf) wrote:

> Students put twist on mascots
> Staff & Wire Reports
>
> published: 3/11/02
>
> Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
>
> Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
> racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
> Whities."

NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".

-Doug Elrod (dr...@cornell.edu) :-)
OK, now whatever you do, don't think of "Joe Don Baker"
and "tighty whities" at the same time.

QUINCY

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Mar 12, 2002, 5:26:30 PM3/12/02
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In article <3c8d51a4...@netnews.attbi.com>, James A. Wolf
<jaw...@attbi.com> wrote:

> Students put twist on mascots
> Staff & Wire Reports
>
> published: 3/11/02
>
> Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
>
> Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
> racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
> Whities."
>


...just for the record, various white people team mascots already
exist...


the Minnesota Vikings (stereotype Nordic warrior emblem)
Notre Dame Fightin' Irish (complete with sterotype leprechan emblem)
Boston Celtics
New England Patriots
San Fransisco 49's (stereotype white prospector mascot)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (stereotype white ocean-going outlaw)

...among others.

James A. Wolf

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Mar 12, 2002, 5:30:54 PM3/12/02
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QUINCY <QUI...@hotmail.com> wrote:


>
>
>...just for the record, various white people team mascots already
>exist...
>
>

<snip>

>New England Patriots
>San Fransisco 49's (stereotype white prospector mascot)
>Tampa Bay Buccaneers (stereotype white ocean-going outlaw)


I would not count these three as they're occupations and not ethnic
identities.

Fish Eye no Miko

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Mar 12, 2002, 5:43:03 PM3/12/02
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"Doug Elrod" <dr...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
news:dre1-12030...@csic13.cogstud.cornell.edu...

> In article <3c8d51a4...@netnews.attbi.com>, jaw...@attbi.com (James
> A. Wolf) wrote:
>
> > Students put twist on mascots
> > Staff & Wire Reports
> > published: 3/11/02
> > Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
> > Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
> > racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
> > Whities."
>
> NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".

LOL! The first time I read that, that's how it scanned a first. I'm like,
"The WHAT?!"

Catherine Johnson.
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Doug Elrod

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Mar 13, 2002, 12:38:06 PM3/13/02
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In article <Xvvj8.8728$4d.13...@news1.west.cox.net>, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:

> "Doug Elrod" <dr...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
> news:dre1-12030...@csic13.cogstud.cornell.edu...
>
> > In article <3c8d51a4...@netnews.attbi.com>, jaw...@attbi.com (James
> > A. Wolf) wrote:
> >
> > > Students put twist on mascots
> > > Staff & Wire Reports
> > > published: 3/11/02
> > > Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
> > > Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
> > > racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
> > > Whities."
> >
> > NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
>
> LOL! The first time I read that, that's how it scanned a first. I'm like,
> "The WHAT?!"
>
> Catherine Johnson.

And the "putting the twist on mascots" sounds like one of the writers may have
thought the same way, but probably not the editor! :-)

-Doug Elrod (dr...@cornell.edu)
"The 'Fighting Double Jock-locks'? Ha, we will beat them easily!" :-)

James A. Wolf

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Mar 13, 2002, 2:59:22 PM3/13/02
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dr...@cornell.edu (Doug Elrod) wrote:

>In article <3c8d51a4...@netnews.attbi.com>, jaw...@attbi.com (James
>A. Wolf) wrote:
>
>> Students put twist on mascots
>> Staff & Wire Reports
>>
>> published: 3/11/02
>>
>> Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
>>
>> Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
>> racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
>> Whities."
>
>NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
>

Who are jockeying for position entering into the playoffs.

Lori Holuta

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Mar 13, 2002, 3:24:39 PM3/13/02
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"James A. Wolf" <jaw...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> dr...@cornell.edu (Doug Elrod) wrote:
>
> >In article <3c8d51a4...@netnews.attbi.com>, jaw...@attbi.com (James
> >A. Wolf) wrote:
> >
> >> Students put twist on mascots
> >> Staff & Wire Reports
> >>
> >> published: 3/11/02
> >>
> >> Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
> >>
> >> Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
> >> racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
> >> Whities."
> >
> >NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
> >
> Who are jockeying for position entering into the playoffs.

..and that's the news, in brief(s).

Lori Holuta
CocoaJava
http://cocoajava.com

The Midnight Rambler

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Mar 13, 2002, 6:26:21 PM3/13/02
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Everyone's riding up to see them play!

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Stephen Cooke

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Mar 14, 2002, 7:31:42 AM3/14/02
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On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, The Midnight Rambler wrote:
> "Lori Holuta" <lo...@cocoajava.com> wrote in message
> news:a6obf3$t5h$1...@msunews.cl.msu.edu...
> > "James A. Wolf" <jaw...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c8fb18...@netnews.attbi.com...
> > > dr...@cornell.edu (Doug Elrod) wrote:
> > > >In article <3c8d51a4...@netnews.attbi.com>, jaw...@attbi.com
> (James
> > > >A. Wolf) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Students put twist on mascots
> > > >> Staff & Wire Reports
> > > >>
> > > >> published: 3/11/02
> > > >>
> > > >> Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
> > > >>
> > > >> Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
> > > >> racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
> > > >> Whities."
> > > >
> > > >NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
> > > >
> > > Who are jockeying for position entering into the playoffs.
> >
> > ..and that's the news, in brief(s).
>
> Everyone's riding up to see them play!

And after winning the championship at the local gym, the team had its
picture taken outside, in the Y front.

swac
Although in the following season, the team hit the skids.

Bill Livingston

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Mar 14, 2002, 6:25:31 PM3/14/02
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Previously on "Six Feet Under", Stephen Cooke wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, The Midnight Rambler wrote:
>>Lori Holuta Wrote...

>>>"James A. Wolf" <jaw...@attbi.com> wrote in message
>>>>dr...@cornell.edu (Doug Elrod) wrote:
>>>>> (James A. Wolf) wrote:
>>>>>>Students put twist on mascots
>>>>>>Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
>>>>>>racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
>>>>>>Whities."
>>>>>
>>>>>NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
>>>>
>>>>Who are jockeying for position entering into the playoffs.
>>>
>>>..and that's the news, in brief(s).
>>
>>Everyone's riding up to see them play!
>
>And after winning the championship at the local gym, the team had its
>picture taken outside, in the Y front.
>Although in the following season, the team hit the skids.

And as a result, they're all in their cups about it.

Bill L.
So remember - Two Thongs Don't Make a Right

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
bil...@hiwaay.net http://home.hiwaay.net/~billfl

"If you're dumb, surround yourself with smart people. And if you're smart,
surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you."
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Fish Eye no Miko

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Mar 14, 2002, 7:09:28 PM3/14/02
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"Bill Livingston" <bil...@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
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> Previously on "Six Feet Under", Stephen Cooke wrote:
> >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, The Midnight Rambler wrote:
> >>Lori Holuta Wrote...
> >>>"James A. Wolf" <jaw...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> >>>>dr...@cornell.edu (Doug Elrod) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
> >>>>
> >>>>Who are jockeying for position entering into the playoffs.
> >>>
> >>>..and that's the news, in brief(s).
> >>
> >>Everyone's riding up to see them play!
> >
> >And after winning the championship at the local gym, the team had its
> >picture taken outside, in the Y front.
> >Although in the following season, the team hit the skids.
>
> And as a result, they're all in their cups about it.

"All in their cups"? This is a real phrase?

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Stephen Cooke

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Mar 14, 2002, 8:11:05 PM3/14/02
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Bill Livingston wrote:
> Previously on "Six Feet Under", Stephen Cooke wrote:
> >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, The Midnight Rambler wrote:
> >>Lori Holuta Wrote...
> >>>"James A. Wolf" <jaw...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> >>>>dr...@cornell.edu (Doug Elrod) wrote:
> >>>>> (James A. Wolf) wrote:
> >>>>>>Students put twist on mascots
> >>>>>>Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
> >>>>>>racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
> >>>>>>Whities."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
> >>>>
> >>>>Who are jockeying for position entering into the playoffs.
> >>>
> >>>..and that's the news, in brief(s).
> >>
> >>Everyone's riding up to see them play!
> >
> >And after winning the championship at the local gym, the team had its
> >picture taken outside, in the Y front.
> >Although in the following season, the team hit the skids.
>
> And as a result, they're all in their cups about it.

Which is strange, since their hometown has so many athletic supporters.

> So remember - Two Thongs Don't Make a Right

Ouch, that was Hanes-ous.

swac
Bearing bitter fruit of the loom

Doug Elrod

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Mar 15, 2002, 11:42:20 AM3/15/02
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In article <3c8fb18...@netnews.attbi.com>, jaw...@attbi.com (James A.
Wolf) wrote:

> dr...@cornell.edu (Doug Elrod) wrote:
>
> >In article <3c8d51a4...@netnews.attbi.com>, jaw...@attbi.com (James
> >A. Wolf) wrote:
> >
> >> Students put twist on mascots
> >> Staff & Wire Reports
> >>
> >> published: 3/11/02
> >>
> >> Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
> >>
> >> Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
> >> racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
> >> Whities."
> >
> >NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
> >
> Who are jockeying for position entering into the playoffs.

I wonder how they'll do against the latest group of Diaper Dandies!

-Doug Elrod (dr...@cornell.edu) :-)

The Midnight Rambler

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Mar 15, 2002, 12:23:24 PM3/15/02
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"Stephen Cooke" <am...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
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..

Mostly for their boxers, though.

> > So remember - Two Thongs Don't Make a Right
>
> Ouch, that was Hanes-ous.

Hey. You don't say Hanes until *I* say you say Hanes.

Stephen Cooke

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Mar 15, 2002, 2:43:58 PM3/15/02
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On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, The Midnight Rambler wrote:
> "Stephen Cooke" <am...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Bill Livingston wrote:
> > > Previously on "Six Feet Under", Stephen Cooke wrote:
> > > >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, The Midnight Rambler wrote:
> > > >>Lori Holuta Wrote...
> > > >>>"James A. Wolf" <jaw...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>dr...@cornell.edu (Doug Elrod) wrote:
> > > >>>>> (James A. Wolf) wrote:
> > > >>>>>>Students put twist on mascots
> > > >>>>>>Colorado intramural team names itself Fighting Whities
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Indian students in Colorado have turned the tables in a debate on
> > > >>>>>>racism by naming their intramural basketball team "The Fighting
> > > >>>>>>Whities."
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Who are jockeying for position entering into the playoffs.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>..and that's the news, in brief(s).
> > > >>
> > > >>Everyone's riding up to see them play!
> > > >
> > > >And after winning the championship at the local gym, the team had its
> > > >picture taken outside, in the Y front.
> > > >Although in the following season, the team hit the skids.
> > >
> > > And as a result, they're all in their cups about it.
> >
> > Which is strange, since their hometown has so many athletic supporters.
>
> Mostly for their boxers, though.

Happiness is a boxer named Joe.

> > > So remember - Two Thongs Don't Make a Right
> >
> > Ouch, that was Hanes-ous.
>
> Hey. You don't say Hanes until *I* say you say Hanes.

This post was inspected by No. 666.

swac
np: Elastica

Doug Elrod

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Mar 15, 2002, 2:58:59 PM3/15/02
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In article <g6qk8.17695$P4.15...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "The
Midnight Rambler" <rfon...@earthlink.net> wrote:

"I am older than I once was,
my elastic is not as stretchy..."

-Doug Elrod (dr...@cornell.edu)
Suddenly it all makes sense! :-)

Doug Elrod

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Mar 15, 2002, 3:09:07 PM3/15/02
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In article <YYak8.13563$4d.18...@news1.west.cox.net>, "Fish Eye no Miko"
<cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:

> "Bill Livingston" <bil...@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
> news:3c91334b$1...@corp-news.newsgroups.com...
>
> > Previously on "Six Feet Under", Stephen Cooke wrote:
> > >On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, The Midnight Rambler wrote:
> > >>Lori Holuta Wrote...
> > >>>"James A. Wolf" <jaw...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>dr...@cornell.edu (Doug Elrod) wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>NOT to be confused with "The Tighty Whities".
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Who are jockeying for position entering into the playoffs.
> > >>>
> > >>>..and that's the news, in brief(s).
> > >>
> > >>Everyone's riding up to see them play!
> > >
> > >And after winning the championship at the local gym, the team had its
> > >picture taken outside, in the Y front.
> > >Although in the following season, the team hit the skids.
> >
> > And as a result, they're all in their cups about it.
>
> "All in their cups"? This is a real phrase?

Well, Shakespeare uses it a lot. Usually to mean drinking heavily :-).

Going another direction,

"But surprisingly, they're not a AAA team, they're _________"

-Doug Elrod (dr...@cornell.edu)
"They Went That-A-Way & That-A-Way!", starring Tim Conway & Chuck McCann

The Midnight Rambler

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"Doug Elrod" <dr...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
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*cackle*

In the corner, wearing boxers,
Stands a fighter by his trade
And he carries a reminder
Of every kid that yanked his briefs up
Laughing as he cried out
In his anger and his shame
"I've been Melvined, I've been Melvined!"
So he gave up wearing Hanes
La la la la la la la la la la.

(Well, we called 'em Melvins.)

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Fish Eye no Miko

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"Doug Elrod" <dr...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <YYak8.13563$4d.18...@news1.west.cox.net>, "Fish


> Eye no Miko" <cath...@feablenm.net> wrote:
>
> > "Bill Livingston" <bil...@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
> > news:3c91334b$1...@corp-news.newsgroups.com...
> >

> > > And as a result, they're all in their cups about it.
> >
> > "All in their cups"? This is a real phrase?
>
> Well, Shakespeare uses it a lot. Usually to mean drinking heavily :-).

Oooh... ok.
Ya learn something new every day!

> Going another direction,
>
> "But surprisingly, they're not a AAA team, they're _________"

"An AA team"?

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