More Reasons to hate Leonard Maltin
Davey
Welp.. as any of you that read alt.cult-movies know, Leonard Maltin is my
vote for worst movie critic of all time... here is yet another reason.
I looked up the entry on _Search for the Holy Grail_, one of the best
comedy films of all time, IMHO. Well.. it got TWO AND ONE HALF STARS!
The SAME as _Laserblast_ and _Mitchell_. He calls them "wildly uneven"
and says it is "just for fans only."
Man, this guy must be a bigger idiot than I thought...
--davey
dav...@in.net
G. A. Edgar
In article <davey23-2705...@pm5-07.in.net>, dav...@in.net
(Davey) wrote:
> Welp.. as any of you that read alt.cult-movies know, Leonard Maltin is my
> vote for worst movie critic of all time... here is yet another reason.
>
> I looked up the entry on _Search for the Holy Grail_, one of the best
> comedy films of all time, IMHO. Well.. it got TWO AND ONE HALF STARS!
He probably didn't write the review personally. He is the "editor"
of the book...
_Search for the Holy Grail_ huh? It's not listed by the IMDb, either.
Perhaps you mean some other title, say MONTE PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL ?
Their rating is 8.1 out of 10.
Rob Bowell
In article <davey23-2705...@pm5-07.in.net>,
dav...@in.net (Davey) wrote:
>
>Welp.. as any of you that read alt.cult-movies know, Leonard Maltin is my
>vote for worst movie critic of all time... here is yet another reason.
>
>I looked up the entry on _Search for the Holy Grail_, one of the best
>comedy films of all time, IMHO. Well.. it got TWO AND ONE HALF STARS!
>and says it is "just for fans only."
>
>Man, this guy must be a bigger idiot than I thought...
>
BTW, they showed the director's cut to the movie on CC.
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Lye Berry
In article <edgar-28059...@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>, ed...@math.ohio-state.edu (G. A. Edgar) says:
>
>In article <davey23-2705...@pm5-07.in.net>, dav...@in.net
>(Davey) wrote:
>
>> Welp.. as any of you that read alt.cult-movies know, Leonard Maltin is my
>> vote for worst movie critic of all time... here is yet another reason.
>>
>> I looked up the entry on _Search for the Holy Grail_, one of the best
>> comedy films of all time, IMHO. Well.. it got TWO AND ONE HALF STARS!
>
>of the book...
>
>
>_Search for the Holy Grail_ huh? It's not listed by the IMDb, either.
>Perhaps you mean some other title, say MONTE PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL ?
>Their rating is 8.1 out of 10.
I believe you're correct. I seem to remember hearing somewhere that
Maltin is actually a *fan* of Monty Python films. Just a rumor.
Mr. R.I.N.G.
On Mon, 27 May 1996, Davey wrote:
>
> Welp.. as any of you that read alt.cult-movies know, Leonard Maltin is my
> vote for worst movie critic of all time... here is yet another reason.
As long as the force of evil known on this earth as Michael "The Right
Winger" Medvid, then Maltin can never be at the bottom. The other guy on
Sneak Previews now is almost as bad --- notice how he seldom disagrees
with pundit Medvid on anything???
What does Medvid do that is so bad? His reviews seem to be based solely
on what he thinks the film represents. If it is against family values,
then it isn't a film for the Big Golden Turkey himself. If Medvid had
anything to say about it, I imagine directors like Lynch, Joderowsky,
Tarintino, Loach, Kieslowsky, Almodovar, and Carpenter would all be looking
for a new line of work.
I like Maltin, and though I love Python, I'm not gonna bash him for
giving it **1/2. There CAN and IS room for desenting opinion on
everything, even Maltin and Medvid.
Mr. R.I.N.G.
Frank M. Miller
> In article <edgar-28059...@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
ed...@math.ohio-state.edu (G. A. Edgar) says:
> >
> >In article <davey23-2705...@pm5-07.in.net>, dav...@in.net
> >(Davey) wrote:
> >
> >> Welp.. as any of you that read alt.cult-movies know, Leonard Maltin is my
> >> vote for worst movie critic of all time... here is yet another reason.
> >>
> >> I looked up the entry on _Search for the Holy Grail_, one of the best
> >> comedy films of all time, IMHO. Well.. it got TWO AND ONE HALF STARS!
> >
> >He probably didn't write the review personally. He is the "editor"
> >of the book...
Anybody know where Maltin gets the people who write his reviews. I think
that would be a fascinating job. I've written brief synopses for local
television stations here in Georgia, and I've gotta tell you, it ain't
easy. But it can also be very rewarding, at least artistically.
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Davey (dav...@in.net) wrote:
: Welp.. as any of you that read alt.cult-movies know, Leonard Maltin is my
: vote for worst movie critic of all time... here is yet another reason.
: I looked up the entry on _Search for the Holy Grail_, one of the best
: comedy films of all time, IMHO. Well.. it got TWO AND ONE HALF STARS!
: and says it is "just for fans only."
: Man, this guy must be a bigger idiot than I thought...
FYI, I already mentioned Blade Runner got 1 and 1/2 stars...
Ishtar, OTOH, got two stars...
Ernest Goes to Jail also got two stars.
Evil Dead II also got two stars.
The same as Legend at two stars.
Beyond the Valley of the Dolls got three stars.
Something's wrong here.
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ed...@math.ohio-state.edu (G. A. Edgar) writes:
>_Search for the Holy Grail_ huh? It's not listed by the IMDb, either.
>Perhaps you mean some other title, say MONTE PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL ?
>Their rating is 8.1 out of 10.
Um, it's not *our* rating as such, it's everyone's. The ratings are
calculated from the input of anyone who cares to vote.
The formula for calculating the top 250 films gives a true Bayesian estimate:
weighted rank (WR) = (v/(v+m))*R + (m/(v+m))*C
where:
R = average for the movie (mean) = (Rating)
v = number of votes for the movie = (votes)
m = minimum votes required to be listed in the top 250 (currently 200)
C = the mean vote across the whole report (currently 6.62)
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Lye Berry
>As long as the force of evil known on this earth as Michael "The Right
>Winger" Medvid, then Maltin can never be at the bottom. The other guy on
>Sneak Previews now is almost as bad --- notice how he seldom disagrees
>with pundit Medvid on anything???
>
>What does Medvid do that is so bad? His reviews seem to be based solely
>on what he thinks the film represents. If it is against family values,
>then it isn't a film for the Big Golden Turkey himself. If Medvid had
>anything to say about it, I imagine directors like Lynch, Joderowsky,
>Tarintino, Loach, Kieslowsky, Almodovar, and Carpenter would all be looking
>for a new line of work.
>
>I like Maltin, and though I love Python, I'm not gonna bash him for
>giving it **1/2. There CAN and IS room for desenting opinion on
>everything, even Maltin and Medvid.
I wasn't able to pick up on some of your points, but I believe your
summation questioned the difference between Medved and Maltin. There is
a *big* difference.
Maltin may *lean* toward "family films" (at least this has been attributed
to him, although I disagree) but Medved wishes to dictate this. Medved
is apparently queasy at the thought of *individuals* deciding what they
appreciate in films. He believes films should be categorized and edited
(if not completely deleted) before we - the public - have a chance to
view and decide for ourselves. A Hamiltonian attitude, yes.
Personally, I would *never* want some "film reviewer" deciding which
films are "appropriate" for public viewing. And CERTAINLY not from the
likes of Medved!
Bryan Lambert
Can't we just get beyond Beyond the Valley of the Dolls?
>Something's wrong here.
Yeah, I think you're right. That just doesn't work. This is almost as
embarrassing as Rangoon.
Bryan Lambert <bryan....@co.hennepin.mn.us>
. . . who can't believe he's contributing to the spread of that
particular meme...
Darrin Cardani
> ==========Rob Bowell, 5/28/96==========
>
> In article <davey23-2705...@pm5-07.in.net>,
> dav...@in.net (Davey) wrote:
> >
> >I looked up the entry on _Search for the Holy Grail_, one of the best
>
> Pardon me while I retrieve my jaw.
> BTW, they showed the director's cut to the movie on CC.
I noticed they said that. I only saw the first 1/2 hour or so.
What was different about it from the theater version?
Darrin
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> Davey (dav...@in.net) wrote:
> : Welp.. as any of you that read alt.cult-movies know, Leonard Maltin is my
> : vote for worst movie critic of all time... here is yet another reason.
> : I looked up the entry on _Search for the Holy Grail_, one of the best
> : comedy films of all time, IMHO. Well.. it got TWO AND ONE HALF STARS!
> : The SAME as _Laserblast_ and _Mitchell_. He calls them "wildly uneven"
> : and says it is "just for fans only."
> : Man, this guy must be a bigger idiot than I thought...
>
> FYI, I already mentioned Blade Runner got 1 and 1/2 stars...
>
> Ishtar, OTOH, got two stars...
>
> Ernest Goes to Jail also got two stars.
>
> Evil Dead II also got two stars.
>
> The same as Legend at two stars.
>
> Beyond the Valley of the Dolls got three stars.
>
>
>
> Something's wrong here.
Frankly, I like Maltin Let's face it: he publishes reviews (her doesn't
write them all) for thousands of movies, so we're all sure to find some
that we disagree with. I know there are times when his failures have
irritated me (sorry, having a hard time coming up with examples). Still,
I find many of his observations pretty apt.
As for worst critic, he's not as puffed up as Kael or as assinine as
Medved (Mr. R.I.N.G. is certainly right on there), so there's still a few
slots at the bottom of the list.
Bill
P.S. For my money, he was right about Blade Runner.
Dustin Francis McIntyre
In article <wehughes-300...@cmh-p039.infinet.com>,
wehu...@infinet.com wrote:
> P.S. For my money, he was right about Blade Runner.
Save your money.
Jamie Plummer
Lye Berry (zi...@batech.com) wrote:
: Maltin may *lean* toward "family films" (at least this has been attributed
: to him, although I disagree) but Medved wishes to dictate this. Medved
: is apparently queasy at the thought of *individuals* deciding what they
: appreciate in films. He believes films should be categorized and edited
: (if not completely deleted) before we - the public - have a chance to
: view and decide for ourselves. A Hamiltonian attitude, yes.
Huh? as far as I can tell, he reviews the movies, and also
talks about the messages in them. Where do you get the rest of
this from.
Jamie, not a fan of Medved, and not a fan of people who cry
censorship for no good reason either...
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> Frankly, I like Maltin Let's face it: he publishes reviews (her doesn't
> write them all) for thousands of movies, so we're all sure to find some
> that we disagree with. I know there are times when his failures have
> irritated me (sorry, having a hard time coming up with examples). Still,
> I find many of his observations pretty apt.
The one thing you can say about Maltin is that he has a passion
for movies. He's not just an industry schmoozer... He started out
as a fan, and then a researcher, and then proceeded to write
definitive histories of animation (Of Mice & Magic), the Our Gang
Comedies, Laurel & Hardy, movie comedy teams, short subjects,
and Disney features. The guy really knows his stuff and approaches
film criticism from the simple and direct angle of how entertaining
a movie is... That's nothing like the analyzers like Kael or the catty-
insiders-film biz-rumor mongering that passes for reviews in some
places... I can read an in-depth analysis of a director's inner struggles
and come away saying, "Yeah, but is it a good movie?" Numbers of
stars is not a good way to judge films... but people seem to expect
it and love to argue about whether something is a two star or a
four star... All that is pretty meaningless. Maltin's capsule reviews
(whether he writes them all himself or not) are at least descriptive
and concise... I can judge whether something would be interesting to
me much better with them than some long drawn out analysis...
See ya
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In article <Ds8sD...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
Jamie Plummer <jc...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>Lye Berry (zi...@batech.com) wrote:
>
>: Maltin may *lean* toward "family films" (at least this has been attributed
>: to him, although I disagree) but Medved wishes to dictate this. Medved
>: is apparently queasy at the thought of *individuals* deciding what they
>: appreciate in films. He believes films should be categorized and edited
>: (if not completely deleted) before we - the public - have a chance to
>: view and decide for ourselves. A Hamiltonian attitude, yes.
>
>Huh? as far as I can tell, he reviews the movies, and also
>talks about the messages in them. Where do you get the rest of
>this from.
When not reviewing movies and making notes of every time a character has
an unclean thought, Medved writes essays on the side and gets them
published in prominent media literature. When that doesn't work, I hear
he starts threatening with the mail bombs and stuff.
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Merlynn
wehu...@infinet.com wrote:
>In article <4ogdma$e...@news.gate.net>, cgo...@gate.net wrote:
>> Davey (dav...@in.net) wrote:
>> : Welp.. as any of you that read alt.cult-movies know, Leonard Maltin is my
>> : vote for worst movie critic of all time... here is yet another reason.
>> : I looked up the entry on _Search for the Holy Grail_, one of the best
>> : comedy films of all time, IMHO. Well.. it got TWO AND ONE HALF STARS!
>> : The SAME as _Laserblast_ and _Mitchell_. He calls them "wildly uneven"
>> : and says it is "just for fans only."
>> : Man, this guy must be a bigger idiot than I thought...
>>
>> FYI, I already mentioned Blade Runner got 1 and 1/2 stars...
>>
>> Ishtar, OTOH, got two stars...
>>
>> Ernest Goes to Jail also got two stars.
>>
>> Evil Dead II also got two stars.
>>
>> The same as Legend at two stars.
>>
>> Beyond the Valley of the Dolls got three stars.
>>
>>
>>
>> Something's wrong here.
>Frankly, I like Maltin Let's face it: he publishes reviews (her doesn't
>write them all) for thousands of movies, so we're all sure to find some
>that we disagree with. I know there are times when his failures have
>irritated me (sorry, having a hard time coming up with examples). Still,
>I find many of his observations pretty apt.
Ok,which would you rather see,a goofy kid in the middle of the desert
with a laser weapon,jumping around saying,"pow,pow,pow",or Bruce
Campbell cutting his hand off with a chainsaw,laughing maniacally?
"Now,that's entertainment." -Some Guy
Scott D. Hamilton
Soundwave [Chad Gould] (cgo...@gate.net) wrote:
: FYI, I already mentioned Blade Runner got 1 and 1/2 stars...
My brother loved to point this out, though I believe Maltin upgraded it in
later editions of his book.
: Ishtar, OTOH, got two stars...
: Ernest Goes to Jail also got two stars.
: Evil Dead II also got two stars.
That is a crime! Evil Dead should get 4 stars for the 'demon-cam' scene
alone!
: The same as Legend at two stars.
Well, that I can see.
: Beyond the Valley of the Dolls got three stars.
I assume this is an insult to Beyond, but it's actually a pretty good
movie. Just ask Roger Ebert. No really, it's not THAT bad a movie.
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In article <Ds8sD...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
jc...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jamie Plummer) wrote:
>Lye Berry (zi...@batech.com) wrote:
>
>: Maltin may *lean* toward "family films" (at least this has been attributed
>: to him, although I disagree) but Medved wishes to dictate this. Medved
>: is apparently queasy at the thought of *individuals* deciding what they
>: appreciate in films. He believes films should be categorized and edited
>: (if not completely deleted) before we - the public - have a chance to
>: view and decide for ourselves. A Hamiltonian attitude, yes.
>
>Huh? as far as I can tell, he reviews the movies, and also
>talks about the messages in them. Where do you get the rest of
>this from.
Everytime they mention, let alone show, something remotely
non-50s-nuclear-family in a movie, Medved freaks and talks about how it's
corrosive to family values. Crying censorship isn't precisely right here,
since most people have enough sense to disregard this mo-ron, but he -is- a
priggish fool. On the other hand, you could allude to censorship in reference
to Medved, because if the world were as he'd like it, everything would be
censored until it were Ozzie and Harrietesque.
And KTLA is there!,
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The incredible shrinking man
I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
"Braveheart", while some of the worst movies in existence, according
to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
"Blue Velvet". If you know what a movie is about, you can usually
guess what rating Maltin will give it. If it's science fiction or a
romantic comedy, it's good. If it's old, it's good. If it stars Kevin
Costner or Mel Gibson, it's good. If it's sickeningly "cute", it's
good. All kind of attempts of experimenting with editing style, camera
work or direction are bound to turn out as horrible movies.
wehu...@infinet.com
>
> Ok,which would you rather see,a goofy kid in the middle of the desert
> with a laser weapon,jumping around saying,"pow,pow,pow",or Bruce
> Campbell cutting his hand off with a chainsaw,laughing maniacally?
>
> "Now,that's entertainment." -Some Guy
Although I have to confess that I thought the Evil Dead series was not as
good as everyone made it out to be, I know you have me here. I'll take
what's behind the door to screening room #2, thanks.
My point isn't, of course, that LM is brilliant or that he's always
right. In fact, I think I denied that straight out. But I often (still,
despite theh above example) that his reviews are pretty sensible,
reliable.
Bill.
wehu...@infinet.com
In article <dfm-300596...@sport21.microweb.com>, d...@microweb.com
(Dustin Francis McIntyre) wrote:
> In article <wehughes-300...@cmh-p039.infinet.com>,
> wehu...@infinet.com wrote:
>
>
> > P.S. For my money, he was right about Blade Runner.
>
> Save your money.
I did. Borrowed it from a friend, thank God.
Bill
wehu...@infinet.com
In article <4oqd4o$e...@news.monmouth.com>, rbo...@monmouth.com (Rob
Bowell) wrote:
>
> Everytime they mention, let alone show, something remotely
> non-50s-nuclear-family in a movie, Medved freaks and talks about how it's
> corrosive to family values. Crying censorship isn't precisely right here,
> since most people have enough sense to disregard this mo-ron, but he -is- a
> priggish fool. On the other hand, you could allude to censorship in
reference
> to Medved, because if the world were as he'd like it, everything would be
> censored until it were Ozzie and Harrietesque.
>
>
> And KTLA is there!,
> Rob Bowell, MSTie #67753
I won't defend Medved, but you're right that he doesn't want censorship.
He's quite explicit in "Hollywood vs. America" that he doesn't feel this
is the way to go. Priggish, yes. Fool, yes, yes. And if anyone doubts
that there's a definite social-political orientation to Medved's work,
then read his book. But don't be taken in by it.
Me, I'm on the other side in this here culture war. Over here with all
them slimeballs and pedofiles and perverts and queers and murderers and
radical leftist fringe SEC-U-LAR- HU-MAN-IST DE-VILS who are seeking to
undermine and destroy America. Anyone like Medved--who seems to think that
Billy Bennett is some sorta genius--ain't playin with a full set of
chesspieces.
Bill (not Bennett)
Robert Sutherland
In <4ol81s$f...@cdc2.cdc.net> bb...@cdc.net (Merlynn) writes:
>
The thing I find unbelievable about his video guide is he gave Flash
Gordon (1980) the same rating he gave Dial M for Murder. He gave them
both 3 stars.
Kevin Pezzano
eirik....@login.eunet.no (The incredible shrinking man) wrote:
>I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
>favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
>"Braveheart", while some of the worst movies in existence, according
>to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
>"Blue Velvet".
>
Yeah, but 'Natural Born Killers' IS one of the worst movies in
existence.
Kevin
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Michael Brooke
Robert Sutherland (obi...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
Well, that shows up the idiocy of any kind of star rating system,
doesn't it?
Actually, though, for what it's worth, I can understand the rationale
behind the above - 'Dial M For Murder', though fine on its own terms,
sees Hitchcock operating distinctly below par, and three stars seems
about reasonable. And 'Flash Gordon' is a classic example of a love it
or hate it film (which is another reason why giving it a star rating
is pointless) - personally, I loved it (though I was in my
early-to-mid teens when I saw it, which may have helped!), but as I'm
not blind to its faults, three stars again seems pretty reasonable.
Michael
Kevin Mowery
Kevin Pezzano (k...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
: eirik....@login.eunet.no (The incredible shrinking man) wrote:
: >I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
: >favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
: >"Braveheart", while some of the worst movies in existence, according
: >to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
: >"Blue Velvet".
: >
: Yeah, but 'Natural Born Killers' IS one of the worst movies in
: existence.
Thanks. You saved me from having to post that.
: Kevin
: "I like the night air. It makes me remember my tonsils."
: -Raymond Chandler, "Pick-up on Noon Street"
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Michael Brooke (mic...@everyman.demon.co.uk) wrote:
Flash Gordon is actually a fairly decent attempt to put a
"pulp"-style comic up on the screen. Judged with others of its kind, I'd
say that it's not as good as the Indiana Jones movies or the Rocketeer,
but better than Doc Savage (with Ron Ely), which seemed to keep saying
"look at how silly the genre is!".
The special effects are spotty, but it was 1980. I'd give it a
little less than 3 stars, myself.
: Michael
Lorelle Anderson
wehu...@infinet.com wrote:
Oh thank God. I'm not the only one who was much less than impressed
with Blade Runner. *whew*
* Lorelle Anderson * land...@ids2.idsonline.com * devotchka *
"In the end, the character who comes off like a sage in
_Reality Bites_ is Joe Don Baker... When Joe Don Baker says
something, you'd damn well better listen."
* --Cohen and Krugman, _Generation Ecch!_ *
Lorelle Anderson
kemo...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Kevin Mowery) wrote:
>Kevin Pezzano (k...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
>: eirik....@login.eunet.no (The incredible shrinking man) wrote:
>: >I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
>: >favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
>: >"Braveheart", while some of the worst movies in existence, according
>: >to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
>: >"Blue Velvet".
>: >
>: Yeah, but 'Natural Born Killers' IS one of the worst movies in
>: existence.
> Thanks. You saved me from having to post that.
At the risk of saying me too... Me too!
T-Bone
On 2 Jun 1996, Kevin Mowery wrote:
> Kevin Pezzano (k...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
> : eirik....@login.eunet.no (The incredible shrinking man) wrote:
>
> : >I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
> : >favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
> : >"Braveheart", while some of the worst movies in existence, according
> : >to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
> : >"Blue Velvet".
> : >
> : Yeah, but 'Natural Born Killers' IS one of the worst movies in
> : existence.
>
> Thanks. You saved me from having to post that.
Same here. Watching NBK was the only time I ever fell asleep in a theater
(except for a couple Shakespeare plays).
T-Bone, tbo...@io.com (on the web at http://www.io.com/~tbone1/)
"scott, gramercy just called me and told me they hate you."
- julie walker (texas ranger)
Merlynn
kemo...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Kevin Mowery) wrote:
>Michael Brooke (mic...@everyman.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: Robert Sutherland (obi...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: : In <4ol81s$f...@cdc2.cdc.net> bb...@cdc.net (Merlynn) writes:
>: : >
>: : The thing I find unbelievable about his video guide is he gave Flash
>: : Gordon (1980) the same rating he gave Dial M for Murder. He gave them
>: : both 3 stars.
>: Well, that shows up the idiocy of any kind of star rating system,
>: doesn't it?
>: Actually, though, for what it's worth, I can understand the rationale
>: behind the above - 'Dial M For Murder', though fine on its own terms,
>: sees Hitchcock operating distinctly below par, and three stars seems
>: about reasonable. And 'Flash Gordon' is a classic example of a love it
>: or hate it film (which is another reason why giving it a star rating
>: is pointless) - personally, I loved it (though I was in my
>: early-to-mid teens when I saw it, which may have helped!), but as I'm
>: not blind to its faults, three stars again seems pretty reasonable.
> Flash Gordon is actually a fairly decent attempt to put a
>"pulp"-style comic up on the screen. Judged with others of its kind, I'd
>say that it's not as good as the Indiana Jones movies or the Rocketeer,
>but better than Doc Savage (with Ron Ely), which seemed to keep saying
>"look at how silly the genre is!".
> The special effects are spotty, but it was 1980. I'd give it a
>little less than 3 stars, myself.
So you're saying it should be 2 and a half stars.
"Still that puts it in good company." -Merlynn
John Crowe
eirik....@login.eunet.no (The incredible shrinking man) wrote:
>I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
>favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
>"Braveheart",
yeah, Braveheart, what a crappy film - it was so untrue and poorly
done (buy a clue, pal!)
> while some of the worst movies in existence, according
>to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
>"Blue Velvet". If you know what a movie is about, you can usually
>guess what rating Maltin will give it. If it's science fiction or a
>romantic comedy, it's good. If it's old, it's good. If it stars Kevin
>Costner or Mel Gibson, it's good. If it's sickeningly "cute", it's
>good. All kind of attempts of experimenting with editing style, camera
>work or direction are bound to turn out as horrible movies.
Yeah, the Quick and the Dead must have looked like a great film to
you, huh?
Brock LaReau: Nicholas Cage? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kevin Mowery
: et.columbus.oh.us> <4ot1ih$5...@cdc2.cdc.net>
Distribution:
Merlynn (bb...@cdc.net) wrote:
: kemo...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Kevin Mowery) wrote:
: > Flash Gordon is actually a fairly decent attempt to put a
: >"pulp"-style comic up on the screen. Judged with others of its kind, I'd
: >say that it's not as good as the Indiana Jones movies or the Rocketeer,
: >but better than Doc Savage (with Ron Ely), which seemed to keep saying
: >"look at how silly the genre is!".
: > The special effects are spotty, but it was 1980. I'd give it a
: >little less than 3 stars, myself.
: So you're saying it should be 2 and a half stars.
Well, my star system is a little more analog than that, but yeah.
Judged against movies as a whole, considering what it was supposed to be,
I'd say two-and-a-half. Judged only against pulp movies, I'd say closer
to 3.
: "Still that puts it in good company." -Merlynn
Although even if you judged Laserblast only against other movies
in which a kid finds an alien laser gun and blows stuff up and turns into
a green thingy with sharp teeth, it'd still rank in the basement. I can't
see 2.5*.
Merlynn
kemo...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Kevin Mowery) wrote:
>: et.columbus.oh.us> <4ot1ih$5...@cdc2.cdc.net>
>Distribution:
>Merlynn (bb...@cdc.net) wrote:
>: kemo...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Kevin Mowery) wrote:
>: > Flash Gordon is actually a fairly decent attempt to put a
>: >"pulp"-style comic up on the screen. Judged with others of its kind, I'd
>: >say that it's not as good as the Indiana Jones movies or the Rocketeer,
>: >but better than Doc Savage (with Ron Ely), which seemed to keep saying
>: >"look at how silly the genre is!".
>: > The special effects are spotty, but it was 1980. I'd give it a
>: >little less than 3 stars, myself.
>: So you're saying it should be 2 and a half stars.
> Well, my star system is a little more analog than that, but yeah.
>Judged against movies as a whole, considering what it was supposed to be,
>I'd say two-and-a-half. Judged only against pulp movies, I'd say closer
>to 3.
2 and 3/4 stars?
>: "Still that puts it in good company." -Merlynn
> Although even if you judged Laserblast only against other movies
>in which a kid finds an alien laser gun and blows stuff up and turns into
>a green thingy with sharp teeth, it'd still rank in the basement. I can't
>see 2.5*.
(snobish brit voice on)
Actually I was talking about the other GOOD movies that got 2 and a
half stars.
(snobish voice off)
"Did I say I wanted to kissed your bottom? Oh,pardon me,excuse me.
What meant to say was,"Put a pick-axe through your spinal column!""
-Vivien
Thratchen
On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Kevin Pezzano wrote:
> eirik....@login.eunet.no (The incredible shrinking man) wrote:
>
> >I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
> >favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
> >"Braveheart", while some of the worst movies in existence, according
> >to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
> >"Blue Velvet".
> >
> Yeah, but 'Natural Born Killers' IS one of the worst movies in
> existence.
>
> Kevin
<WHHHHRRRRRRRR> Say, is that the sound of an electric can opener?....
Thratchen
Thratchen
On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Michael Brooke wrote:
> Robert Sutherland (obi...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : In <4ol81s$f...@cdc2.cdc.net> bb...@cdc.net (Merlynn) writes:
> : >
> : The thing I find unbelievable about his video guide is he gave Flash
> : Gordon (1980) the same rating he gave Dial M for Murder. He gave them
> : both 3 stars.
>
>
> Well, that shows up the idiocy of any kind of star rating system,
> doesn't it?
>
> Actually, though, for what it's worth, I can understand the rationale
> behind the above - 'Dial M For Murder', though fine on its own terms,
> sees Hitchcock operating distinctly below par, and three stars seems
> about reasonable. And 'Flash Gordon' is a classic example of a love it
> or hate it film (which is another reason why giving it a star rating
> is pointless) - personally, I loved it (though I was in my
> early-to-mid teens when I saw it, which may have helped!), but as I'm
> not blind to its faults, three stars again seems pretty reasonable.
>
> Michael
This film has one of my all-time favorite lines in it, when Flash is
introducing himself to Ming the Merciless, Emperor of the Galaxy (or is it
Universe?):
"Flash Gordon. Quarterback, New York Jets."
Gives me tingles just typing it....
Thratchen
David Anderson
For me, I think it's a toss-up between:
"Do you, Ming The Merciless, take Dale Arden to be your Empress of the Hour, and
promise...not to blast her into space, uh, until such time as you have grown
weary of her?"
and
"Impetuous boy! Ah, well...who wants to live forever?"
--
========*Opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone. Deal with it.*========
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"This isn't flying. It's falling...with style."
--Buzz Lightyear, Toy Story
==========*MSTie #46861 * Sliders, Nowhere Man, Duckman & Kindred fan*==========
Bill Shoemaker
wehu...@infinet.com wrote:
>I won't defend Medved, but you're right that he doesn't want censorship.
>He's quite explicit in "Hollywood vs. America" that he doesn't feel this
>is the way to go.
There are a lot of people who explicitly say they aren't [racist,
pro-censorship, socialist, you name it]. However their actions
suggest otherwise.
Medved says he's not for censorship, he just thinks there are too many
"bad" movies, and Hollywood should make less of them. Ok, I'd agree
with that.
However, what does Medved say (in "Hollywood vs. America") is bad? He
just recites a laundry list of movies/tv with references to sex,
violence, political correctness, etc. That's about it.
He doesn't delve so much into why they're so bad, or how "the state of
the art" got that way, except maybe for a bunch of statistics that
show most people in the U.S. don't like such movies, and other feeble
links to crime, and other undesirable behavior. That's about it.
The way I look at it, when someone really offers no intellectual cause
for something he says is wrong (and some of Medved's "wrong" is pretty
picky-like his bitching about the couple who produced "Father of the
Bride" living together without being married), his real unspoken
remedy is to reduce, somehow, by some unspecified method, the number
of items on his laundry list.
He even paraphrases Malcolm X, saying it needs to be done "by any
means necessary."
If I remember correctly, Medved didn't go out of his way to denounce
the Hays Office, and also praised "voluntary" self censorship like
ratings systems (which, translated, is an example of "it we don't do
it, the government will do it for us" i.e., just another variation on
censorship.
And, when you consider that about the only thing Medved gushes about
is some indie production about some Christian woman in Red China who
fights against religious persecution [and, in this case loses, making
the exact nature of her struggle more important that bigger issues
like good triumphing over evil, or the resiliance of the human spirit,
etc., etc.,),
He may claim he's anti censorship, but I'd say if push comes to shove,
he'll support the pro-censorship New Right, and the liberals who mimic
them, in order to suck up to "Middle America."
Too bad. He may have helped his brother write the Golden Turkey Award
books, but these days, he's turning into a real dweeb.
Bill
Todd Gilbert
Diane, I just found out that Merlynn (bb...@cdc.net)
wrote (oh, and great cherry pie):
> Ok,which would you rather see,a goofy kid in the middle of the desert
> with a laser weapon,jumping around saying,"pow,pow,pow",or Bruce
> Campbell cutting his hand off with a chainsaw,laughing maniacally?
I'd rather watch Bruce Campbell play solitaire than watch
"pow pow pow" unMSTed. And the de-hand-itation scene
was a classic, IMO.
Todd (so why haven't I seen Army of Darkness?) Gilbert
--
Cpt. Sanity: So you decided to come to Captain Sanity's Superhero Sanitarium?
The Tick: I had a coupon.
Mr. R.I.N.G.
Look:
For those who wish to know the insideous Medvid's plan for domination of
film viewing, go to a bookstore and flip through (don't buy it!!!)
Medvid's book , which is titled something like "Hollywood VS. America".
In those few moments of pereusal, you will discover why Medvid is
actually a harmful influence against quality filmmaking.
Mr. R.I.N.G.
Rob Bowell
In article <4orr7k$j...@nms.telepost.no>,
eirik....@login.eunet.no (The incredible shrinking man) wrote:
>I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
>favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
>"Braveheart",
Braveheart was a -very- good movie, but I won't defend the ST one.
>while some of the worst movies in existence, according
>to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
>"Blue Velvet".
Well, those are all movies (except for "Blue Velvet," which I liked
-more- than what I'm about to say) that I enjoyed, but I wouldn't say were
"film," if you catch the distinction. They were good, but not outstanding.
They certainly weren't the worst movies in existence, either, though.
And KTLA is there!,
Rob Bowell, MSTie #67753
*******************************************************************************
Rob Bowell
In article <960602163...@everyman.demon.co.uk>,
Michael Brooke <mic...@everyman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Robert Sutherland (obi...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: In <4ol81s$f...@cdc2.cdc.net> bb...@cdc.net (Merlynn) writes:
>: >
>: The thing I find unbelievable about his video guide is he gave Flash
>: Gordon (1980) the same rating he gave Dial M for Murder. He gave them
>: both 3 stars.
>
>
>Well, that shows up the idiocy of any kind of star rating system,
>doesn't it?
-Thank- you! I've been meaning to say this for a while, and god only
knows why I haven't. -Real- movie reviewers don't use star systems, they
write criticism. A review is about the paragraph below the star rating, not
the stars themselves, which is why they should be abandoned. Of course,
something Siskel-and-Ebertian (i.e., recommend or not recommend, the digital
system of ratings) is, I think, appropriate. It doesn't tell you a whole hell
of a lot other than one person's opinion about a movie, though.
Rob Bowell
In article <4ot1ih$5...@cdc2.cdc.net>, bb...@cdc.net (Merlynn) wrote:
>kemo...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Kevin Mowery) wrote:
>
>>: Robert Sutherland (obi...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>: : In <4ol81s$f...@cdc2.cdc.net> bb...@cdc.net (Merlynn) writes:
>>: : >
>>: : The thing I find unbelievable about his video guide is he gave Flash
>>: : Gordon (1980) the same rating he gave Dial M for Murder. He gave them
>>: : both 3 stars.
>
>
>>: Well, that shows up the idiocy of any kind of star rating system,
>>: doesn't it?
>
>>: behind the above - 'Dial M For Murder', though fine on its own terms,
>>: sees Hitchcock operating distinctly below par, and three stars seems
>>: about reasonable. And 'Flash Gordon' is a classic example of a love it
>>: or hate it film (which is another reason why giving it a star rating
>>: is pointless) - personally, I loved it (though I was in my
>>: early-to-mid teens when I saw it, which may have helped!), but as I'm
>>: not blind to its faults, three stars again seems pretty reasonable.
>
>>"pulp"-style comic up on the screen. Judged with others of its kind, I'd
>>say that it's not as good as the Indiana Jones movies or the Rocketeer,
>>but better than Doc Savage (with Ron Ely), which seemed to keep saying
>>"look at how silly the genre is!".
>> The special effects are spotty, but it was 1980. I'd give it a
>>little less than 3 stars, myself.
>
>So you're saying it should be 2 and a half stars.
>
>
Merlynn
rbo...@monmouth.com (Rob Bowell) wrote:
>In article <960602163...@everyman.demon.co.uk>,
> Michael Brooke <mic...@everyman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Robert Sutherland (obi...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>>: In <4ol81s$f...@cdc2.cdc.net> bb...@cdc.net (Merlynn) writes:
>>: >
>>: The thing I find unbelievable about his video guide is he gave Flash
>>: Gordon (1980) the same rating he gave Dial M for Murder. He gave them
>>: both 3 stars.
>>
>>
>>Well, that shows up the idiocy of any kind of star rating system,
>>doesn't it?
> -Thank- you! I've been meaning to say this for a while, and god only
>knows why I haven't. -Real- movie reviewers don't use star systems, they
>write criticism. A review is about the paragraph below the star rating, not
>the stars themselves, which is why they should be abandoned. Of course,
>something Siskel-and-Ebertian (i.e., recommend or not recommend, the digital
>system of ratings) is, I think, appropriate. It doesn't tell you a whole hell
>of a lot other than one person's opinion about a movie, though.
I give that post 2 and a half stars.
"My evil knows no limits,I guess." -Merlynn
Brian N. Pacula
In article <4ovv3j$a...@news.monmouth.com>, rbo...@monmouth.com (Rob
Bowell) wrote:
> [...] Of course,
> something Siskel-and-Ebertian
Sisklebertian.
> (i.e., recommend or not recommend, the digital
> system of ratings) is, I think, appropriate.
Digital *and* binary. Those old boys are more sophisticated than we give them
credit for.
- brian pacula | bpa...@hooked.net -
- http://www.hooked.net/~bpacula/ | <insert pithy quote here> -
Soundwave [Chad Gould]
T-Bone (tbo...@io.com) wrote:
: > : >I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
: > : >favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
: > : >to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
: > : >"Blue Velvet".
: > : existence.
: > Thanks. You saved me from having to post that.
: Same here. Watching NBK was the only time I ever fell asleep in a theater
: (except for a couple Shakespeare plays).
I personally didn't think it was terrible... but I don't go to movie
theaters to see Oliver "In Search Of" Stone mentally masturbating over
society's glorification of violence. As much as I like Tarrantino's
other works, Stone ruined it.
Still, Wild At Heart the worst?
I would agree personally that star ratings are a waste of space. I much
prefer the way some do it without stars. Precious few, unfortunately
(horror and specialty movie guides, such as Psychotronic and Stanley's
Creature Feature series, tend to do this...)
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wehu...@infinet.com
In article <4ovjhu$s...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
shoem...@worldnet.att.net (Bill Shoemaker) wrote [in part]:
> wehu...@infinet.com wrote:
>
>
> >I won't defend Medved, but you're right that he doesn't want censorship.
> >He's quite explicit in "Hollywood vs. America" that he doesn't feel this
> >is the way to go.
> There are a lot of people who explicitly say they aren't [racist,
> pro-censorship, socialist, you name it]. However their actions
> suggest otherwise...
> If I remember correctly, Medved didn't go out of his way to denounce
> the Hays Office, and also praised "voluntary" self censorship like
> ratings systems (which, translated, is an example of "it we don't do
> it, the government will do it for us" i.e., just another variation on
> censorship...
> He may claim he's anti censorship, but I'd say if push comes to shove,
> he'll support the pro-censorship New Right, and the liberals who mimic
> them, in order to suck up to "Middle America."
Woah . . . Yeah. . . You're right. Someone hit me with a two-by-four,
please! I was trying to give the guy at least a wee benefit of the doubt
as far as censorship goes, but reading your post has reminded me of just
how far he DOES go with it . . . He really does wax nostalgic over the
good old days at the Hays office, doesn't he? He explicity rejects
censorship, but the implicit logic of his argument certainly leads him
down that path.
As for the book as a whole, you've done such a good job outlining its
weaknesses that I'll spare everyone a rehash of my insufferably long post
on why its a piece of crap. In other words, you've provided an
invaluable service to each and every contributor to this thread by saving
them from just one of my painfully lengthy diatribes. . .
Thanks.
Bill H.
Phil Martin
In article <wehughes-040...@cmh-p049.infinet.com>
wehu...@infinet.com writes:
> [megasnip]
> In other words, you've provided an
> invaluable service to each and every contributor to this thread by saving
> them from just one of my painfully lengthy diatribes. . .
...or the volume in question.
--
Phil Martin PGP Key: p...@webcor.demon.co.uk
"It is so cryptic as to be almost meaningless. If there is a meaning,
it is doubtless objectionable."
Roger M. Wilcox
In article <4ogdma$e...@news.gate.net>,
Soundwave [Chad Gould] <cgo...@gate.net> wrote:
>
>FYI, I already mentioned Blade Runner got 1 and 1/2 stars...
Well, I could see that, if he was talking about the theatrical release
with that awful Deckard voiceover-narrative and the happy ending.
--
rog...@robadome.com (Roger M. Wilcox) - AKA - tra...@zoom.com (Jeff Boeing)
-------------+---- I'm not flying fast, just orbiting low -------------------
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I'm Sodium! | breakfast anymore
Roger M. Wilcox
In article <31b344f3...@news.cybercom.net>,
David Anderson <lan...@cybercom.net> wrote:
>Fairly reliable sources inform me that Thratchen wrote:
>
>
>>This film has one of my all-time favorite lines in it, when Flash is
>>introducing himself to Ming the Merciless, Emperor of the Galaxy (or is it
>>Universe?):
>>
>>"Flash Gordon. Quarterback, New York Jets."
>>
>>Gives me tingles just typing it....
>
>For me, I think it's a toss-up between:
>
>"Do you, Ming The Merciless, take Dale Arden to be your Empress of the Hour,
>and promise...not to blast her into space, uh, until such time as you have
>grown weary of her?"
>
>and
>
>"Impetuous boy! Ah, well...who wants to live forever?"
And, lest we forget, the hawkmen-attacking-rocketship-Ajax music later
appeared in the Vanguard video game, as the theme music that plays when
your spacecraft flies through Energy and becomes temporarily invulnerable.
Steven Janas
rbo...@monmouth.com (Rob Bowell) wrote:
>In article <4orr7k$j...@nms.telepost.no>,
> eirik....@login.eunet.no (The incredible shrinking man) wrote:
>>I really HATE Leonard Maltin. How can you trust a reviewer whose
>>favourite movies include "Star Trek IV: The voyage home" and
>>"Braveheart",
>
>
>>to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
>>"Blue Velvet".
>
>-more- than what I'm about to say) that I enjoyed, but I wouldn't say were
>"film," if you catch the distinction. They were good, but not outstanding.
>
>
> And KTLA is there!,
> Rob Bowell, MSTie #67753
>
>*******************************************************************************
>Look I'm standing naked before you, don't you want more than my sex? I can
>scream as loud as your last one, but I can't claim innocence. Oh, God, could it
>be the weather? Oh, God, why am I here? If love isn't forever, and it's not the
>weather, hand me my leather. I could just pretend that you love me. The night
>would lose all sense of fear, but why do I need you to love me when you can't
>hold what I hold dear? I almost ran over an angel, he had a nice, big, fat
>cigar. "In a sense," he said, "You're alone here, so if you jump you'd best jump far."
> --Tori Amos, "Leather"
>*******************************************************************************
Drawing the distinction between "movie" (as in, assembly-line pablum for the masses) and "film" (as
in ambrosia for refined tastes) is about the most maddening, pretentious posturing imaginable, the
type of thing that only film students and other useless people would indulge in. Climb down off
your high horse! If you feel compelled to call a movie a "film," that means you were probably bored
by it, but don't want admit it to your snobbish friends.
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Jamie Plummer
wehu...@infinet.com wrote:
: In article <4ovjhu$s...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
: shoem...@worldnet.att.net (Bill Shoemaker) wrote [in part]:
: > wehu...@infinet.com wrote:
: >
: >
: > >I won't defend Medved, but you're right that he doesn't want censorship.
: > >He's quite explicit in "Hollywood vs. America" that he doesn't feel this
: > >is the way to go.
: > There are a lot of people who explicitly say they aren't [racist,
: > pro-censorship, socialist, you name it]. However their actions
: > suggest otherwise...
: > If I remember correctly, Medved didn't go out of his way to denounce
: > the Hays Office, and also praised "voluntary" self censorship like
: > ratings systems (which, translated, is an example of "it we don't do
: > it, the government will do it for us" i.e., just another variation on
: > censorship...
: > He may claim he's anti censorship, but I'd say if push comes to shove,
: > he'll support the pro-censorship New Right, and the liberals who mimic
: > them, in order to suck up to "Middle America."
: Woah . . . Yeah. . . You're right. Someone hit me with a two-by-four,
: please! I was trying to give the guy at least a wee benefit of the doubt
: as far as censorship goes, but reading your post has reminded me of just
: how far he DOES go with it . . . He really does wax nostalgic over the
: good old days at the Hays office, doesn't he? He explicity rejects
: censorship, but the implicit logic of his argument certainly leads him
: down that path.
rthere's a difference between the self-regulation of the Hays
office, and governmnet censorship. Ever since the antitrust
actions against Hollywood and the MPAA ratings system, there
has certainly been much more violence and sex in movies... I
won't get into an argument over whether movies are better or
worse because of the looser standards. But any idiot who
thinks the V-chip will cure all the ills in television now has
another think coming. When the studios can point to ratings and
say they have no further responsibility to account for what
they produce, there will more garbage out there. And there
isn't a kid in the nation who will be able to bypass any
"ratings" system. Wehad to go to a friend's house to watch
"Summer Camp Massacre" and "Hardbodies 18" when we were 10.
That won't even be necessary in the future.
What was I saying? Oh yeah, government censorship is bad.
criticism of trashy movies isn't. Or something.
--
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surgery for 20 minutes, you feel comfortable giving a lecture to a thousand brain surgeons on what's wrong with their profession?" - David Brooks
Mr. E
Michael Brooke wrote:
> And 'Flash Gordon' is a classic example of a love it
> or hate it film (which is another reason why giving it a star rating
> is pointless) - personally, I loved it (though I was in my
> early-to-mid teens when I saw it, which may have helped!), but as I'm
> not blind to its faults, three stars again seems pretty reasonable.
>
I wholeheartedly agree with Mike there! I fall hard into the "love it"
category of Flash. The sets & costumes were kitch delight- so what if the
acting was ridiculous (except for the undeniable Max Von Sydow). Its a
two hour romp through goofy fun!
E
Sproing
In article <4ovjhu$s...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
shoem...@worldnet.att.net (Bill Shoemaker) declaimed in this manner:
>
> If I remember correctly, Medved didn't go out of his way to denounce
> the Hays Office, and also praised "voluntary" self censorship like
> ratings systems (which, translated, is an example of "it we don't do
> it, the government will do it for us" i.e., just another variation on
> censorship.
(graaa-snip!)
>
> He may claim he's anti censorship, but I'd say if push comes to shove,
> he'll support the pro-censorship New Right, and the liberals who mimic
> them, in order to suck up to "Middle America."
>
Michael Medved also hosts Rush Limbaugh's radio show on those days when
Rush has bolted too many steakburgers to waddle to the microphone. Twice
now I've gotten into the company car I drive (somebody else leaves the
radio on) and heard him pontificating on the state of movies and, more
broadly, of world affairs in general.
One week he was bashing the movie "The American President" because
never once does Michael Douglas propose marriage to Annette Bening. Last
week he was prattling on about how Benjamin Netanyahu really won't be such
a bad thing for the Mideast peace negotiations. (Like Rush, he's
apparently an autodidactic expert on everything, not just movies.)
When people have tried to tell me how godawful "The American President"
is, my response has been to question why they went to see it in the first
place. Did they think it would be life-transforming?
Never trust a man who gets paid to watch crap.
--
Sproing
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Tony Fabris
"Mr. E" <cpet...@luna.cas.usf.edu> wrote:
>I wholeheartedly agree with Mike there! I fall hard into the "love it"
>category of Flash. The sets & costumes were kitch delight- so what if the
>acting was ridiculous (except for the undeniable Max Von Sydow). Its a
>two hour romp through goofy fun!
My favorite comment about that film was by a reviwer on an LA news station. He
said "Max Von Sydow had the goofiest lines to say in the whole film. But he
says them _sooooo_beautifully_!"
He backed it up by playing a clip of Max saying the "Foolish Earthlings,
hurling yourself into the void..." line.
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Rob Bowell
In article <4p58ao$r...@goodnews.voicenet.com>,
Steven Janas <ja...@cyberden.com> wrote:
>rbo...@monmouth.com (Rob Bowell) wrote:
>>In article <4orr7k$j...@nms.telepost.no>,
>> eirik....@login.eunet.no (The incredible shrinking man) wrote:
>>
>>>while some of the worst movies in existence, according
>>>to him, include "Wild at heart", "Natural born Killers", "S.F.W" and
>>>"Blue Velvet".
>>
>> Well, those are all movies (except for "Blue Velvet," which I liked
>>-more- than what I'm about to say) that I enjoyed, but I wouldn't say were
>>"film," if you catch the distinction. They were good, but not outstanding.
>>They certainly weren't the worst movies in existence, either, though.
>
>masses) and "film" (as in ambrosia for refined tastes) is about the most
>maddening, pretentious posturing imaginable, the type of thing that only film
>students and other useless people would indulge in. Climb down off your high
>horse! If you feel compelled to call a movie a "film," that means you were
>probably bored by it, but don't want admit it to your snobbish friends.
>
objective aesthetic, rigidly defined. I watch and enjoy both "art" films,
"great" films and action films. I don't have any snobbish friends. I don't
own a horse.
Now that we've set aside your prejudgements of me, I'll clarify. I
don't regularly go around setting movies aside into classifications. There
are, however, differences between truly great, important movies and the
latest, exciting, visceral action flick. I bet you'd find a lot of people
would agree with that statement. What I was trying to say was that there are
truly great motion pictures and there are fun motion pictures.
I hope this clarification meets with your approval. Thank you for
informing me, in your last few sentences, of what my personality and life are
-actually- like. Dickweed.
Kevin Mowery
: s.usf.edu>
Distribution:
Mr. E (cpet...@luna.cas.usf.edu) wrote:
: I wholeheartedly agree with Mike there! I fall hard into the "love it"
: category of Flash. The sets & costumes were kitch delight- so what if the
: acting was ridiculous (except for the undeniable Max Von Sydow). Its a
: two hour romp through goofy fun!
Plus, the movie gave me something great for when I MiST
"right-wing TV" (that is, the unstoppable stream of documentaries on
modern weapons of war that stream across cable TV): I always refer to the
pointy bit on the front of fighter planes as "Ming-killers". I think they
actually have something to do with RADAR!!! but I don't get the thrill out
of RADAR riff that some do.
Oh, and has anyone noticed the similarity between the refueling
nozzle thingy that sticks up from the nose of a plane and the heat rays on
the Martian ships from "War of the Worlds"?
Just thought I'd contribute to the inevitable topic drift.
Tammy Stephanie Davis
In article <4p9nk8$8...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, M Sampo <msa...@aol.com> wrote:
:Well, as a critic, Medved has a right to any stupid-ass opinion he chooses
:to spout. And if he can get somebody to pay him for spouting it, all I can
:say is god bless America. If you find his world-view offensive, avoid him.
:That's what I do.
:
:The more SERIOUS problem with Medved is that he is on the take, and
:chooses which movies to praise or pan based mostly on the highest bidder.
:There was a Spy Magazine investigation a year or two back that proved that
:pretty conclusively, and there have been other damning investigative
:pieces on him as well. As a result, he has been pretty marginalized as a
:critic. He no longer strikes fear in Hollywood.
:
:
:Sampo
:=======================================================
:I've undergone a complex personal evolution wherein painful confusion has
:given way to what I like to think of as some degree of wisdom, culminating
:in my current Zarathustrian sense of self. Is that it?
:=======================================================
Ummmm. Just out of curiousity, does anyone know what Medved said
about our movie?
---TSD(And how much he was paid to say it.)
M Sampo
Jon Hall
> Never trust a man who gets paid to watch crap.
Sooooo. . . We shouldn't trust any of the men at BBI?
Jon "Holy Moses, I actually brought things back _onto_ topic" Hall
BillSlattery
Maltin makes mistakes but not many of them. He's still the best around
by far. If there is something better I'd appreciate knowing about it.
Daniel G Burke
Great movie, good costumes, great musical score (Queen), and even
half-way decent acting. Funny though, some of my friends don't like it
though. You're right, love it/hate it flick, kinda like Excalibur. There
was also a good bit of originality in the movie. The scene where they put
the hands in the rock with the holes and the serpent inside, very
imaginative.
-Xerxes
nicklby
tfa...@oro.net (Tony Fabris) wrote:
>bur...@watserv.ucr.edu (Daniel G Burke) wrote:
>> Great movie, good costumes, great musical score (Queen),
>WHOA! Hold it right there!
>I was a big-time Queen fan up until that soundtrack. I mean, I wanted to -BE-
>Brian May, guitar-playing-wise. I loved the music. I wasn't so much into
>Freddie gadding about, but I thought the music was too cool.
>Then I sat down in the darkened theater, an impressionable young teen, looking
>forward to hearing their first soundtrack. Then... it happened:
>(thumpthumpthumpthumpthumpthump...)
>"FLASH!"
>"AAAAAAAAAA"
>"HE'LL SAVE EVERY ONE OF US"
>I _died_ that day. That theme song was beyond painful. Sometimes I try to
>remember what life was like before I had to endure that song. Then I break
>into sobbing fits, knowing that I will never again taste the innocence of life
>before "FLASH, AAAAAAAA".
>The blow was softened by the fact that much of the _rest_ of the soundtrack
>was quite nice. That synth-pad-and-drum-beat thing they do when the rocket is
>falling through the swirling paint... kinda nice.
>But I can never, ever, in a million years, forgive "FLASH, AAAAAAAA".
>Now I hope you all have that song stuck in your heads... Hehe...
you bastard.
nicklby
who thought the rest of the soundtrack was pretty good, except it was
the beginning of the band's overreliance on synthesizers, which
essentially ruined their latter works.
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Tony Fabris
bur...@watserv.ucr.edu (Daniel G Burke) wrote:
> Great movie, good costumes, great musical score (Queen),
WHOA! Hold it right there!
I was a big-time Queen fan up until that soundtrack. I mean, I wanted to -BE-
Brian May, guitar-playing-wise. I loved the music. I wasn't so much into
Freddie gadding about, but I thought the music was too cool.
Then I sat down in the darkened theater, an impressionable young teen, looking
forward to hearing their first soundtrack. Then... it happened:
(thumpthumpthumpthumpthumpthump...)
"FLASH!"
"AAAAAAAAAA"
"HE'LL SAVE EVERY ONE OF US"
I _died_ that day. That theme song was beyond painful. Sometimes I try to
remember what life was like before I had to endure that song. Then I break
into sobbing fits, knowing that I will never again taste the innocence of life
before "FLASH, AAAAAAAA".
The blow was softened by the fact that much of the _rest_ of the soundtrack
was quite nice. That synth-pad-and-drum-beat thing they do when the rocket is
falling through the swirling paint... kinda nice.
But I can never, ever, in a million years, forgive "FLASH, AAAAAAAA".
Now I hope you all have that song stuck in your heads... Hehe...
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
Soo Lee
On 7 Jun 1996 19:42:32 GMT, bur...@watserv.ucr.edu (Daniel G Burke)
wrote:
> Great movie, good costumes, great musical score (Queen), and even
Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
--
"Charlie Sheen,
Ben Vereen,
Shrink to size of lima bean!"
vil...@popmail.mcs.com
The title sequence of this film was a disaster. It consisted of pictures
from the old "Flash Gordon" comic strip that had been shot without
compression and then looked hopelessly stretched out when projected in
anamorphic widescreen.
--
Leigh Hanlon
Chicago, U.S.A.
jnevins
vil...@popmail.mcs.com writes:
>The title sequence of this film was a disaster. It consisted of pictures
>from the old "Flash Gordon" comic strip that had been shot without
>compression and then looked hopelessly stretched out when projected in
>anamorphic widescreen.
Really?
Wow. I quite enjoyed the opening sequence. Oh well - My Mileage Will
Vary, I guess.
jess
jnevins
tfa...@oro.net (Tony Fabris) writes:
>bur...@watserv.ucr.edu (Daniel G Burke) wrote:
>> Great movie, good costumes, great musical score (Queen),
>WHOA! Hold it right there!
>I was a big-time Queen fan up until that soundtrack. I mean, I wanted to -BE-
>Brian May, guitar-playing-wise. I loved the music. I wasn't so much into
>Freddie gadding about, but I thought the music was too cool.
>Then I sat down in the darkened theater, an impressionable young teen, looking
>forward to hearing their first soundtrack. Then... it happened:
>(thumpthumpthumpthumpthumpthump...)
>"FLASH!"
>"AAAAAAAAAA"
>"HE'LL SAVE EVERY ONE OF US"
>I _died_ that day. That theme song was beyond painful. Sometimes I try to
>remember what life was like before I had to endure that song. Then I break
>into sobbing fits, knowing that I will never again taste the innocence of life
>before "FLASH, AAAAAAAA".
I'm sorry to hear that, Tony.
I loved - and love - that song.
Really liked the movie, too - it has Brian Blessed in it, fer goshsakes -
what more could mortal man or woman ask for?
_And_ the theme was sampled by Public Enemy!
jess
Noah Singman
Actually, I've read a fair amount of Medved's film criticism, and (WOW!
BIG SURPRISE COMING - SIT DOWN!) he filters the presentation through his
own experiences and values. In Michael Medved's case, he is a moderately
observant Jew, though not quite as observant in Judaism as my beloved
wife and fellow devoted MiSTie, the beauteous and oft-praised Jungle
Goddess. Thus, the most obvious assaults on Judeo-Christian (mainly
Judeo-) cultural traditions are unlikely to meet with his approval.
Frankly, I love MST3K partly because it doesn't lay on the preaching
thickly. They make fun of politicos of all stripes (from sputtering Paul
Wellstone to B-1 Bob Dornan), skewer political correctness and pretension,
and generally twist the conventional in wildly unconventional ways. The
American President was liberal diaper filling, manifesting a detestation
of those nasty, evil Republicans (flame off, children, I'm a libertarian
freedom radical, and made of asbestos) every bit as deep (hah!) as Thelma
and Louise. The latter film was brilliantly analyzed by Wayne and Garth
as "Woman good, man bad." If Medved didn't like it because marriage
wasn't front and center, well, that may have been silly. But, good
grief! I'd wait for a little more hard evidence before consigning him to
the nether realms.
Noah
MST#59539
Beloved Jungle Goddess and I celebrate our 14th anniversary (of marriage!
yes, marriage you naughty little cohabitants!) shortly before the 'con.
And with three little MiSTies, we became well acquainted with diaper
filling. And I'd rather change a diaper than watch anybody's propaganda
film - left or right.
And as long as we're on the subject of movies, let's not forget that
Godzilla was a triple threat - actor, director and monster (like Barbra
Streisand!)
Dave Roy
I was just sitting thinking when thi...@SoCA.com (Soo Lee) interrupted with:
>On 7 Jun 1996 19:42:32 GMT, bur...@watserv.ucr.edu (Daniel G Burke)
>wrote:
>> Great movie, good costumes, great musical score (Queen), and even
>>half-way decent acting. Funny though, some of my friends don't like it
>>though. You're right, love it/hate it flick, kinda like Excalibur. There
>>was also a good bit of originality in the movie. The scene where they put
>>the hands in the rock with the holes and the serpent inside, very
>>imaginative.
>> -Xerxes
>Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
>worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
>Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
I'm not sure what Sam's doing (though I think I saw an article on him sometime
in the last few months). Melody Thomas did/does (not sure which) some TV roles,
the only one of which I can remember is titled something like "Centerfold Cop".
Dave Roy
Friday Jones
In article <4pd3gm$3...@peru.it.earthlink.net>, hi...@earthlink.net (Dave
Roy) wrote:
> I was just sitting thinking when thi...@SoCA.com (Soo Lee) interrupted with:
> >Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
> >worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
> >Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
>
> I'm not sure what Sam's doing (though I think I saw an article on him sometime
> in the last few months). Melody Thomas did/does (not sure which) some
TV roles,
> the only one of which I can remember is titled something like
"Centerfold Cop".
I recall Sam's name popping up in some direct-to-video action films in the
last year or so ... try searching for him, you'll probably find him.
- Friday Jones
http://www.cybercom.net/~friday
Christine Malcom
Dave Roy <hi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I was just sitting thinking when thi...@SoCA.com (Soo Lee) interrupted with:
>>wrote:
>
>>> Great movie, good costumes, great musical score (Queen), and even
>>>half-way decent acting. Funny though, some of my friends don't like it
>>>though. You're right, love it/hate it flick, kinda like Excalibur. There
>>>was also a good bit of originality in the movie. The scene where they put
>>>the hands in the rock with the holes and the serpent inside, very
>>>imaginative.
>>> -Xerxes
>
>>worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
>>Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
>
>I'm not sure what Sam's doing (though I think I saw an article on him sometime
>in the last few months). Melody Thomas did/does (not sure which) some TV roles,
>the only one of which I can remember is titled something like "Centerfold Cop".
Isn't her name Melody Anderson? It is now at any rate, and the last thing she
did that I know of was replace a much beloved actress on All My Children. She
was so loathed by viewers that her character was killed off within 3 months.
Christine Malcom-Department of Anthropology (cm...@kimbark.uchicago.edu)
Indestructible Gouda Llama Woman read that somewhere and most certainly doesn't watch soap operas
____________________________________________________________________________
The Inca chief kept drums made from the skins of chiefs who had rebelled
against him. The whole body was made into a human drum which seemed to come
to life and quiver grotesquely when the belly was slapped with the hand."
Don Felipe Guaman Poma de Ayala
Dave Roy
I was just sitting thinking when fri...@cybercom.net (Friday Jones) interrupted
with:
>In article <4pd3gm$3...@peru.it.earthlink.net>, hi...@earthlink.net (Dave
>Roy) wrote:
>> I'm not sure what Sam's doing (though I think I saw an article on him sometime
>> in the last few months). Melody Thomas did/does (not sure which) some
>TV roles,
>> the only one of which I can remember is titled something like
>"Centerfold Cop".
>I recall Sam's name popping up in some direct-to-video action films in the
>last year or so ... try searching for him, you'll probably find him.
Ugh...that would imply I actually want to know. :-)
*Dave goes running away screaming*
Dave Roy
Dave Roy
I was just sitting thinking when cm...@midway.uchicago.edu (Christine Malcom)
interrupted with:
>Dave Roy <hi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I'm not sure what Sam's doing (though I think I saw an article on him sometime
>>in the last few months). Melody Thomas did/does (not sure which) some TV roles,
>>the only one of which I can remember is titled something like "Centerfold Cop".
>Isn't her name Melody Anderson? It is now at any rate, and the last thing she
>did that I know of was replace a much beloved actress on All My Children. She
>was so loathed by viewers that her character was killed off within 3 months.
I think it is Anderson now. For awhile, I think it was hyphenated. And I
should have remembered the All My Children thing, since at my former job, if I
wanted to eat lunch in the cafeteria, I was subjected to it every day. :-)
I think she was also on Manimal, but that's just a vague memory and may not be
true at all.
Dave Roy
David Anderson
Fairly reliable sources inform me that hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>I was just sitting thinking when thi...@SoCA.com (Soo Lee) interrupted with:
>>Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
>>worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
>>Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
>
>I'm not sure what Sam's doing (though I think I saw an article on him sometime
>in the last few months). Melody Thomas did/does (not sure which) some TV roles,
>the only one of which I can remember is titled something like "Centerfold Cop".
Anderson. Melody Anderson. Melody Thomas (or, as she's known these days, Melody
Thomas Scott) is a regular on "The Young and The Restless." Coincidentally
enough, the last major gig I recall Melody "Dale Arden" Anderson in was a stint
on "All My Children" a couple of years ago.
--
========*Opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone. Deal with it.*========
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* "Here it is: 'Breach Hull, All Die.' Even had it underlined. Oh, well...live *
* and learn. I won't do THAT again!" --Crow T. Robot, MST3K: The Movie *
==========*MSTie #46861 * Sliders, Nowhere Man, Duckman & Kindred fan*==========
nicklby
In the recent past hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>>I was just sitting thinking when thi...@SoCA.com (Soo Lee) interrupted with:
>>>Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
>>>worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
>>>Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
Am I the only one who remembers "Highwayman," that "Road Warrior"
meets "BJ and the Bear" series with Jones and that Australian guy from
the battery commercials Jacko?
nicklby
and if so, can anyone make the memory go away?
John Crowe
nic...@primenet.com (nicklby) wrote:
>In the recent past hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>>>I was just sitting thinking when thi...@SoCA.com (Soo Lee) interrupted with:
>>>>Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
>>>>worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
>>>>Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
>Am I the only one who remembers "Highwayman," that "Road Warrior"
>meets "BJ and the Bear" series with Jones and that Australian guy from
>the battery commercials Jacko?
In one of these!
Or one of THESE!
Lasts longer than ALL THE REST!!
Do right, something something,
THE ENERGIZER, OY!!!
Brock LaReau: wonders if "oy ve" is really an Australian thing
Kevin Mowery
: >>I was just sitting thinking when thi...@SoCA.com (Soo Lee) interrupted with:
: >>>Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
: >>>worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
: >>>Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
: Am I the only one who remembers "Highwayman," that "Road Warrior"
: meets "BJ and the Bear" series with Jones and that Australian guy from
: the battery commercials Jacko?
No, you're not. I used to tune into that every week. It wasn't
*that* bad (although "good" certainly isn't something I'd use to describe
it). And it had Jane Badler <pant>. But V was a far superior series.
Mark Entwistle
In article <31b8cd5c...@news.pacbell.net>
thi...@SoCA.com "Soo Lee" writes:
> Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
> worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
> Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
Sam Jones seems condemned to appear in a lot of crap films with two words
in the title ('Maximum Force', 'Driving Force', 'Hard Vice', 'Night
Rhythms' etc) but did make a small appearance in 'LA Takedown', Michael
Mann's original version of 'Heat'.
Mark Entwistle
Thratchen
On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, John Crowe wrote:
> nic...@primenet.com (nicklby) wrote:
>
> >In the recent past hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>
> >>>I was just sitting thinking when thi...@SoCA.com (Soo Lee) interrupted with:
> >>>>Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
> >>>>worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
> >>>>Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
>
> >Am I the only one who remembers "Highwayman," that "Road Warrior"
> >meets "BJ and the Bear" series with Jones and that Australian guy from
> >the battery commercials Jacko?
Yeah, didn't William Conrad do the narration? The only episode I really
remember was the one where Sam and Jacko travelled back in time to WWII.
Thratchen
Mike Czaplinski
nic...@primenet.com (nicklby) wrote:
>
> In the recent past hi...@earthlink.net (Dave Roy) wrote:
>
> >>I was just sitting thinking when thi...@SoCA.com (Soo Lee) interrupted with:
> >>>Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
> >>>worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
> >>>Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
>
> Am I the only one who remembers "Highwayman," that "Road Warrior"
> meets "BJ and the Bear" series with Jones and that Australian guy from
> the battery commercials Jacko?
Nope, despite the electroshock therapy & that operation.
Mike "And that other series where he played a fireman" Czaplinski
mike.cz...@washingtondc.ncr.com
Joel Thomas Ruggaber
Let's not forget that he called _12 Monkeys_ the worst
film of 1995.
Case closed. Let's move on.
Tim Lehnerer, who shaved his head after seeing _12 Monkeys_
From a friend's account/MiSTie #68308
Martin White
On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Mark Entwistle wrote:
> > Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
> > worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
> > Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
>
> Sam Jones seems condemned to appear in a lot of crap films with two words
> in the title ('Maximum Force', 'Driving Force', 'Hard Vice', 'Night
> Rhythms' etc) but did make a small appearance in 'LA Takedown', Michael
> Mann's original version of 'Heat'.
>
> Mark Entwistle
Wasn't Sam Jones voiced over by another actor?
Ian
nicklby wrote:
[snip]
> Am I the only one who remembers "Highwayman," that "Road Warrior"
> meets "BJ and the Bear" series with Jones and that Australian guy from
> the battery commercials Jacko?
>
Jocco was awesome in that show. I still can't figure out why Energizer
dumped him for that stupid bunny.
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BillSlattery writes:
> Maltin makes mistakes but not many of them. He's still the best around
> by far. If there is something better I'd appreciate knowing about it.
>
Very intelligent and thoughtful - and when he pans something I
like (such as T2) I usually have to agree with him and yet I
find that his pan does not diminish my enjoyment of whatever
he's talking about. Anybody else hip to this guy - and is his
work available through any other outlet? One review a week on a
morning news show does not seem like a lot of work.
For movie guides, I really love the Golden Retriever books. His
tastes are pretty close to mine and the books have these great
Director, Actor, theme, cross references as well as info on
where to find the thing on video.
thekeez
--
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Union Theological Seminary in Virginia
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Kevin Martin
Medved is substitute host on Rush Limbaugh's syndicated TV show.
I know, this might seem like hyperbole, but it's true.
T-Bone
On 11 Jun 1996, Roger M. Wilcox wrote:
> "Movie" is something I watch in a theater with day-old popcorn and
> sticky floors.
You know, if that's not a set-up for a TRULY tasteless joke, ...
T-Bone, tbo...@io.com (on the web at http://www.io.com/~tbone1/)
"scott, gramercy just called me and told me they hate you."
- julie walker (texas ranger)
Roger M. Wilcox
In article <4p58ao$r...@goodnews.voicenet.com>,
Steven Janas <ja...@cyberden.com> wrote:
>
>Drawing the distinction between "movie" (as in, assembly-line pablum for
>the masses) and "film" (as in ambrosia for refined tastes) is about the
>most maddening, pretentious posturing imaginable, the type of thing that
>only film students and other useless people would indulge in.
Actually, the distinction is quite easy to make.
"Movie" is something I watch in a theater with day-old popcorn and
sticky floors.
"Film" is something that forms on the inside of my oven if I don't clean
it properly.
Thus, watching a film is far more boring than watching a movie.
Roger M. "Unless we're talking about the Castle of Fu Manchu" Wilcox
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Jeff Lodoen
In article <kjmartin-1106961438350001@pma3_133.loop.com>,
kjma...@loop.com (Kevin Martin) wrote:
>Medved is substitute host on Rush Limbaugh's syndicated TV show.
>
>I know, this might seem like hyperbole, but it's true.
Medved has filled in for Rush on the radio show. I never heard
fill-ins were ever used on the TV show. (reruns instead)
Radio substitutes have included Bob Dornan (of Starfighters fame),
Walter Williams (economics professor), Mary Matalin (ugh) and
Tony Snowe.
David Anderson
If he ever was, it wasn't on "Flash Gordon." Perhaps you're thinking of Klinton
Spilsbury in "The Legend of the Lone Ranger."
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Mike Czaplinski
Ian <ia...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> nicklby wrote:
> [snip]
> > Am I the only one who remembers "Highwayman," that "Road Warrior"
> > meets "BJ and the Bear" series with Jones and that Australian guy from
> > the battery commercials Jacko?
> >
>
> Jocco was awesome in that show. I still can't figure out why Energizer
> dumped him for that stupid bunny.
<*attach MikeLooksAtPostTheWayADogLooksAtASoundItCannotIdentify.MPG*>
Mike "Still puzzled" Czaplinski
mike.cz...@washingtondc.ncr.com
Rick Hodge
vil...@popmail.mcs.com wrote:
>The title sequence of this film was a disaster. It consisted of pictures
>from the old "Flash Gordon" comic strip that had been shot without
>compression and then looked hopelessly stretched out when projected in
>anamorphic widescreen.
Let's see, what other movies have used comic books as part of
the opening credits:
"Return of Swamp Thing"
"Judge Dredd"
"Superman" (although that was pre-credit)
"Robot Monster" (although I don't recall that being adapted from a
comic book)
"Brenda Starr" (I could be wrong, but I do recall something to that
effect.)
"The Spirit" TV movie
Can anyone think of any others (NOTE 1: I am NOT crossposting
this to rec.arts.comics.other-media. NOTE 2: I haven't seen
"Barbarella", "Valentina", or "Barb Wire", and only later parts of
"Red Sonja", "Sheena", "The Perils of Gwendolyne", and "Jane and the
Lost City". I do know that: the other "Superman" movies, the "Conan"
movies, "The Legend of the Lone Ranger", "Popeye", the "Batman"
movies, "Greystoke", "Tarzan: The Ape Man", "The Phantom", "The
Shadow", "Archie: To Riverdale and Back", "The Flash", "Dick Tracy",
"The Rocketeer", and "Sable" didn't.)?
regards,
Rick Hodge
"See the dizzy spell. I would like a dizzy spell, too."
--Paul Merton, "Whose Line is It, Anyway?"
"If Emmitt Smith wants to play football in the Olympics,
let him learn how to kick like everyone else."
--Rick Hodge
Rick Hodge
Mark Entwistle <ma...@notlob.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <31b8cd5c...@news.pacbell.net>
> thi...@SoCA.com "Soo Lee" writes:
>> Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
>> worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
>> Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
>Sam Jones seems condemned to appear in a lot of crap films with two words
>in the title ('Maximum Force', 'Driving Force', 'Hard Vice', 'Night
>Rhythms' etc) but did make a small appearance in 'LA Takedown', Michael
>Mann's original version of 'Heat'.
I found something even more obscure than that. Sam Jones played
the Spirit on an ABC-TV movie (I'm watching it on video right now).
It also has Nana Visitor in it as Commissioner Dolan's daughter. I
also know that Jones was in a movie called "Jane and the Lost City",
based on the British comic-strip (in more ways than one).
As for Melody Anderson, she was in the movie "Firewalker" with
Chuck Norris and Lou Gossett, Jr.
Rick Hodge
jne...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (jnevins) wrote:
>tfa...@oro.net (Tony Fabris) writes:
>>bur...@watserv.ucr.edu (Daniel G Burke) wrote:
>>> Great movie, good costumes, great musical score (Queen),
>>WHOA! Hold it right there!
>>I was a big-time Queen fan up until that soundtrack. I mean, I wanted to -BE-
>>Brian May, guitar-playing-wise. I loved the music. I wasn't so much into
>>Freddie gadding about, but I thought the music was too cool.
>>Then I sat down in the darkened theater, an impressionable young teen, looking
>>forward to hearing their first soundtrack. Then... it happened:
>>(thumpthumpthumpthumpthumpthump...)
>>"FLASH!"
>>"AAAAAAAAAA"
>>"HE'LL SAVE EVERY ONE OF US"
>>I _died_ that day. That theme song was beyond painful. Sometimes I try to
>>remember what life was like before I had to endure that song. Then I break
>>into sobbing fits, knowing that I will never again taste the innocence of life
>>before "FLASH, AAAAAAAA".
>I'm sorry to hear that, Tony.
>I loved - and love - that song.
>Really liked the movie, too - it has Brian Blessed in it, fer goshsakes -
>what more could mortal man or woman ask for?
>_And_ the theme was sampled by Public Enemy!
And some would say it was sampled by Dolly Parton when she did
"9 To 5". All I know is that every time I hear the opening of "9 To
5", I start thinking:
"FLASH!"
"AAAAAAAAAAA"
"HE'LL SAVE EVERY ONE OF US"
Ken Holler
On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 06:39:32 GMT, ric...@vnet.net (Rick Hodge) wrote:
>Mark Entwistle <ma...@notlob.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <31b8cd5c...@news.pacbell.net>
>> thi...@SoCA.com "Soo Lee" writes:
>
>>> Never liked Queen much, but I _loved_ the costumes--especially ones
>>> worn by Ming's daughter. Whatever happened to the two stars--Sam
>>> Jones and Melody (can't recall her last name)?
>
>>Sam Jones seems condemned to appear in a lot of crap films with two words
>>in the title ('Maximum Force', 'Driving Force', 'Hard Vice', 'Night
>>Rhythms' etc) but did make a small appearance in 'LA Takedown', Michael
>>Mann's original version of 'Heat'.
>
> I found something even more obscure than that. Sam Jones played
>the Spirit on an ABC-TV movie (I'm watching it on video right now).
Just a quick question-was The Spirit movie ever released on home
video. The tv copy I have is missing the last couple of minutes.
>It also has Nana Visitor in it as Commissioner Dolan's daughter. I
>also know that Jones was in a movie called "Jane and the Lost City",
>based on the British comic-strip (in more ways than one).
> As for Melody Anderson, she was in the movie "Firewalker" with
>Chuck Norris and Lou Gossett, Jr.
>
Joel Thomas Ruggaber
ha...@art.unt.edu (Jon Hall) writes:
>In article <jrobbins-070...@nb218.fgi.net> jrob...@mail.fgi.net (Sproing) writes:
>> Never trust a man who gets paid to watch crap.
>Sooooo. . . We shouldn't trust any of the men at BBI?
>Jon "Holy Moses, I actually brought things back _onto_ topic" Hall
Goodness, sometimes I pay to watch crap.
Movies, that is.
Tim Lehnerer/From a friend's account\In pain from "Under Siege II"
M8bgiants
In article <4pr0u4$k...@ralph.vnet.net>, ric...@vnet.net (Rick Hodge)
writes:
> Let's see, what other movies have used comic books as part of
>the opening credits:
>
>"Return of Swamp Thing"
>"Judge Dredd"
>"Superman" (although that was pre-credit)
>"Robot Monster" (although I don't recall that being adapted from a
>comic book)
>"Brenda Starr" (I could be wrong, but I do recall something to that
>effect.)
>"The Spirit" TV movie
>
> Can anyone think of any others (NOTE 1: I am NOT crossposting
>this to rec.arts.comics.other-media. NOTE 2: I haven't seen
>"Barbarella", "Valentina", or "Barb Wire", and only later parts of
>"Red Sonja", "Sheena", "The Perils of Gwendolyne", and "Jane and the
>Lost City". I do know that: the other "Superman" movies, the "Conan"
>movies, "The Legend of the Lone Ranger", "Popeye", the "Batman"
>movies, "Greystoke", "Tarzan: The Ape Man", "The Phantom", "The
>Shadow", "Archie: To Riverdale and Back", "The Flash", "Dick Tracy",
>"The Rocketeer", and "Sable" didn't.)?
>
>
>
"Tank Girl" not only used the comics in the opening, but throughout the
film.....
"You know, people say that your music is loud, destructive, lethal to
mice--but I think you're the Beethovens of our time"
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Bob Church
In article <4pr0u6$k...@ralph.vnet.net>
ric...@vnet.net (Rick Hodge) writes:
>
> I found something even more obscure than that. Sam Jones played
> the Spirit on an ABC-TV movie (I'm watching it on video right now).
> It also has Nana Visitor in it as Commissioner Dolan's daughter. I
> also know that Jones was in a movie called "Jane and the Lost City",
> based on the British comic-strip (in more ways than one).
He played a Navy Officer in an episode of 'Key West'.
Bob Church