Eponine Insanity
Justin Mendoza
of Eponine. However, when I wrote the original message, it seems like
people turned it around to be talking about Debbie Gibson. Frankly, I
think Debbie Gibson is excellent, as I heard a bootlegged tape. When
I was talking about the WORST Eponine, I meant Kaho Shimada, the most
horrendous sounding voice on the Symphonic Cast. The role of Eponine,
I will have to agree is a great part. Why, out of all the choices in
the whole wide world would they choose her? She can barely belt, and
she can't hold out the notes worth anything!!! I have seen different
Eponines over the years, and the styles have been different. Most are
young-sounding, almost whiny voices, some are very mature-woman
voices, and some are quite pop--but they have one thing in
common--they have "street voices"--and they make Eponine a strong
girl, yet a waif. Kaho Shimada, does none of this. Frankly, she
sounds like you know what. As I said before, this is a horrible
injustice to the part. Let me give you evaluations of the Eponines
available on Les Mis recordings in English.
Original London---- Frances Ruffelle---sounds like a whiny girl,
sings out of her nose.
Broadway--- Frances Ruffelle again---more whiny, trying to sound
American
Symphonic----- Kaho Shimada----REVOLTING, THE WORST, SHE SUCKS
Manchester ------ Meredith Braun ----nice voice, but she has the
thickest English accent I have ever heard, and plus, the climax (the
word "known") is pushed and sounds like a horrible scream from an
animal, only with vibrato.
WHY CAN'T ANYONE SING "ON MY OWN" correctly?
Has anyone heard CANDESE MARCHESE? In my opinion, she is wonderful.
Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
B. KOELLER
<jrme...@ea.oac.uci.edu> writes:
>(with editing of this posting, which I hope will be appreciated by
other users)
>WOW!!! I didn't realize how many people love talking about the role
>of Eponine. However, when I wrote the original message, it seems like
>people turned it around to be talking about Debbie Gibson. Frankly, I
>think Debbie Gibson is excellent, as I heard a bootlegged tape. When
>I was talking about the WORST Eponine, I meant Kaho Shimada, the most
>horrendous sounding voice on the Symphonic Cast. The role of Eponine,
>I will have to agree is a great part.
>WHY CAN'T ANYONE SING "ON MY OWN" correctly?
>
>Has anyone heard CANDESE MARCHESE? In my opinion, she is wonderful.
>
>Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
I saw Les Mis for my first time in San Antonio and was initially
appalled at the number of understudies that I would see(now being
Thanksgiving week may have been related, but that is entirely another
issue...)
However, bear in mind I have a preference for the the London cast
recording vs. Broadway, so I had do endure great tolerance of many
numbers.
I still was greatly impressed by Christeena Michelle Riggs as Eponine..
Sincerely, Belle
Mike Shirt
Justin Mendoza <jrme...@ea.oac.uci.edu> writes:
> WOW!!! I didn't realize how many people love talking about the role
> of Eponine. However, when I wrote the original message, it seems like
> people turned it around to be talking about Debbie Gibson. Frankly, I
> think Debbie Gibson is excellent, as I heard a bootlegged tape. When
> I was talking about the WORST Eponine, I meant Kaho Shimada, the most
> horrendous sounding voice on the Symphonic Cast. The role of Eponine,
> I will have to agree is a great part. Why, out of all the choices in
> the whole wide world would they choose her? She can barely belt, and
> she can't hold out the notes worth anything!!! I have seen different
> Eponines over the years, and the styles have been different. Most are
> young-sounding, almost whiny voices, some are very mature-woman
> voices, and some are quite pop--but they have one thing in
> common--they have "street voices"--and they make Eponine a strong
> girl, yet a waif. Kaho Shimada, does none of this. Frankly, she
> sounds like you know what. As I said before, this is a horrible
> injustice to the part. Let me give you evaluations of the Eponines
> available on Les Mis recordings in English.
> Original London---- Frances Ruffelle---sounds like a whiny girl,
> sings out of her nose.
> Broadway--- Frances Ruffelle again---more whiny, trying to sound
> American
> Symphonic----- Kaho Shimada----REVOLTING, THE WORST, SHE SUCKS
> Manchester ------ Meredith Braun ----nice voice, but she has the
> thickest English accent I have ever heard, and plus, the climax (the
> word "known") is pushed and sounds like a horrible scream from an
> animal, only with vibrato.
> WHY CAN'T ANYONE SING "ON MY OWN" correctly?
> Has anyone heard CANDESE MARCHESE? In my opinion, she is wonderful.
> Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
I really liked Meredith Braun as Eponine. I live in Manchester and
saw the show many times. She is from New Zealand which will probably
account for the different English accent! She is a really good
actress, especially when she is singing " A little fall of rain ",
she had me in floods of tears. She has a very powerful voice and I
thought that she sang " On My Own " with great feeling.
Jennifer Barber
Justin Mendoza <jrme...@ea.oac.uci.edu> writes:
> Manchester ------ Meredith Braun ----nice voice, but she has the
> thickest English accent I have ever heard,
Er...I may not be remembering correctly, as it's been four years since
I saw her and the program's a few hundred miles away, so I can't check,
but isn't she from New Zealand, *not* England?
And FWIW, IMO she was far better live than you would guess from the
Manchester recording.
jennifer
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Melissa Bammel
>Has anyone heard CANDESE MARCHESE? In my opinion, she is wonderful.
I have a bootleg of her, she's just ok. Not the type of voice I pefer as
Eponine.
As for no one singing On My Own correctly..I think that's bull...
Hwee Keong Chua
all. I think she sings the role of Eponine with a lot of passion and
feeling. I`m sure she sings much better in Japanese but I can`t find
anything wrong with her singing in English either. But then,
everyone`s opinions differ. Some like her while some don`t. I think
that Frances Ruffelle and Lea Salonga are among the few actresses who
played the role without getting any mixed reviews. Everyone loves
them.
Regina Berry
> In article <311B54...@ea.oac.uci.edu>
> Justin Mendoza <jrme...@ea.oac.uci.edu> writes:
>
> > Manchester ------ Meredith Braun ----nice voice, but she has the
> > thickest English accent I have ever heard,
>
> Er...I may not be remembering correctly, as it's been four years since
> I saw her and the program's a few hundred miles away, so I can't check,
> but isn't she from New Zealand, *not* England?
Yep, she's a Kiwi.;)
>
> And FWIW, IMO she was far better live than you would guess from the
> Manchester recording.
So true! She was the perfect Eponine--a great actress and a great singer too.
(And a really nice person...met her twice!)
She was so much better live than on the Manchester recording.
Gina
fan...@teleport.com
> that Frances Ruffelle and Lea Salonga are among the few actresses who
> played the role without getting any mixed reviews. Everyone loves
> them.
I, ah, wouldn't say that. There seems to be a lot of criticism for
one of the two you mentioned--a lot of people just don't want the
flack they'll get if they post their opinions. It's happened before
(on another list) so I don't blame them (I was the one who got all
the flack!)
Hwee Keong Chua
since 1989. Her accent is distinctively English.
Brandon
RAM6...@pcvan.or.jp
In message <311B54...@ea.oac.uci.edu>
Justin Mendoza <jrme...@ea.oac.uci.edu> writes:
> think Debbie Gibson is excellent, as I heard a bootlegged tape. When
> I was talking about the WORST Eponine, I meant Kaho Shimada, the most
> horrendous sounding voice on the Symphonic Cast. The role of Eponine,
> I will have to agree is a great part. Why, out of all the choices in
> the whole wide world would they choose her? She can barely belt, and
> she can't hold out the notes worth anything!!! I have seen different
> Eponines over the years, and the styles have been different. Most are
> young-sounding, almost whiny voices, some are very mature-woman
> voices, and some are quite pop--but they have one thing in
> common--they have "street voices"--and they make Eponine a strong
> girl, yet a waif. Kaho Shimada, does none of this. Frankly, she
> sounds like you know what. As I said before, this is a horrible
> injustice to the part. Let me give you evaluations of the Eponines
> available on Les Mis recordings in English.
When I saw Les Mis, Japanese version, in Tokyo in 1994, Eponine was Kaho
Shimada. She was very good with strong voice.
Recently I saw "She Loves Me" in Japanese version, and Kaho Shimada
was Ilona Ritter. I was convinced that she was a attractive singer.
So I can't believe that she was so bad.
I suppose she was unfamiliar with English lylics.
She is always good in Japan.
I am very sorry that you could't enjoy her singing.
Am I first Japanese in this newsgroup? :-)
Masaki Funaki,Yokohama Japan
KHB1...@niftyserve.or.jp
or/ RAM6...@pcvan.or.jp
Jennifer Barber
pon...@bga.com (Melissa Bammel) writes:
> In article <311B54...@ea.oac.uci.edu>, jrme...@ea.oac.uci.edu says...
>
> >Has anyone heard CANDESE MARCHESE? In my opinion, she is wonderful.
>
> I have a bootleg of her, she's just ok. Not the type of voice I pefer as
> Eponine.
She was the last one I saw. While I don't remember much about her
vocally, I definitely didn't like the way she played the
character--bratty and obnoxious, particularly during the first act.
About as different from Meredith Braun's interpretation as possible;
Braun was much more likeable IMO.
Kevin Korczynski
>WOW!!! I didn't realize how many people love talking about the role
>of Eponine. However, when I wrote the original message, it seems like
>people turned it around to be talking about Debbie Gibson. Frankly, I
>think Debbie Gibson is excellent, as I heard a bootlegged tape. When
>I was talking about the WORST Eponine, I meant Kaho Shimada, the most
>horrendous sounding voice on the Symphonic Cast. The role of Eponine,
>I will have to agree is a great part. Why, out of all the choices in
>the whole wide world would they choose her? She can barely belt, and
>she can't hold out the notes worth anything!!! I have seen different
>Eponines over the years, and the styles have been different. Most are
>young-sounding, almost whiny voices, some are very mature-woman
>voices, and some are quite pop--but they have one thing in
>common--they have "street voices"--and they make Eponine a strong
>girl, yet a waif. Kaho Shimada, does none of this. Frankly, she
>sounds like you know what. As I said before, this is a horrible
>injustice to the part. Let me give you evaluations of the Eponines
>available on Les Mis recordings in English.
>Original London---- Frances Ruffelle---sounds like a whiny girl,
>sings out of her nose.
>Broadway--- Frances Ruffelle again---more whiny, trying to sound
>American
>Symphonic----- Kaho Shimada----REVOLTING, THE WORST, SHE SUCKS
>Manchester ------ Meredith Braun ----nice voice, but she has the
>thickest English accent I have ever heard, and plus, the climax (the
>word "known") is pushed and sounds like a horrible scream from an
>animal, only with vibrato.
>WHY CAN'T ANYONE SING "ON MY OWN" correctly?
>Has anyone heard CANDESE MARCHESE? In my opinion, she is wonderful.
>Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
I saw Candese on tour and she was just fabulous but I think the award
should go to Linzi Hately who is on the Stage By Stage video.
Yong-gon Chon
: >Broadway--- Frances Ruffelle again---more whiny, trying to sound
: >American
According to the original novel, Eponine Thenardier was suppose to
resemble a character similar to that of a mouse. I think if Victor Hugo
did the casting...he'd have to agree with Cameron, Alain, Claude-Michel,
John, Trevor, and Richard on this one. Not my favorite but hits the nail
on the head for casting purposes.
: >Symphonic----- Kaho Shimada----REVOLTING, THE WORST, SHE SUCKS
She's the first one I've ever heard take "On My Own" up to the D on
"...pretending..." definitely impressive considering the entire show was
performed phonetically by her. I'd like to hear you sing On My Own in
japanese.
: >Manchester ------ Meredith Braun ----nice voice, but she has the
: >thickest English accent I have ever heard, and plus, the climax (the
: >word "known") is pushed and sounds like a horrible scream from an
: >animal, only with vibrato.
Yes...that word did kind of say, "Back the ... up." But one note does
not an actor make...unless of course your Michael Crawford.
: >WHY CAN'T ANYONE SING "ON MY OWN" correctly?
There are people that can. For instance...the current Eponine in
London. Take a listen to the 10th Anniversary CD when it's released.
Between Lea, Jessica Snow Wilson, and Stephanie Martin (Paris Cast) I
think Eponine is doing okay for herself around the world.
Regards,
Yoda :)
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Yong-gon Chon
Australia. What a voice! *sigh* What I wouldn't give for a copy of her
playing Eponine.
Steven Taylor
>How could I possibly forget Sylvie Paladino...the current Ellen in
>Australia. What a voice! *sigh* What I wouldn't give for a copy of her
>playing Eponine.
I saw her in London and thought she was quite good. However, she
seemed to be singing "I Luff Him". There was definitely something
strange about her pronunciation on this song.
Did anyone see Gemma Wardle as Eponine? I saw her three times. The
first time she was stunning. Not so hot the senond and third times
though.
I still like Kaho Shimada. Ever since she appeared on the Royal
Variety Performance in the UK. I thought she was incredible. Her voice
does lack something on the CSR though.
Steve
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ASFinCT
Eponine, I thought my head would explode during ONE DAY MORE, when she
sang "But he never saw me there."
She floated the note "there" for a moment and then suddenly it grew bigger
and Bigger and BIGGER and ... then I reached for a napkin to clean my
pants.
ASF in CT!
Kelson Vibber
> should go to Linzi Hately who is on the Stage By Stage video.
I have to agree. Candese Marchese was the first Eponine I saw, but
Linzi Hately is the best I've heard on a recording. Actually, I was
really impressed by both Angela Pupello and Jennifer Rae Beck, whom I
saw on different tours. Though if we're to break into other languages,
I think I'll definitely go for Jane Comerford on the
German-language Vienna Cast Recording.
Kelson
PKL...@aol.com
"... then I reached for a napkin to clean my pants."
Thank you for sharing.
PAULinDISBELIEF
Snorter
the English recording of Les Mis. She also sings the duet 'Only You' with
Michael Crawford so she must have some talent!! Any disagreements???
Hwee Keong Chua
fantastic. Anyone know what she`s doing at the moment?
Brandon
Autumn Natel Warren
: > I was talking about the WORST Eponine, I meant Kaho Shimada, the most
: > horrendous sounding voice on the Symphonic Cast. The role of Eponine,
: > I will have to agree is a great part. Why, out of all the choices in
: > the whole wide world would they choose her? She can barely belt, and
: > she can't hold out the notes worth anything!!! I have seen different
: > Eponines over the years, and the styles have been different. Most are
: > young-sounding, almost whiny voices, some are very mature-woman
: > voices, and some are quite pop--but they have one thing in
: > common--they have "street voices"--and they make Eponine a strong
: > girl, yet a waif. Kaho Shimada, does none of this. Frankly, she
: > sounds like you know what. As I said before, this is a horrible
: > injustice to the part. Let me give you evaluations of the Eponines
: > available on Les Mis recordings in English.
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT???!!! I've heard many different Eponines, and she is
definately the best. MOST other Eponines sound whiney, and I can't stand
that. Kaho Shimada not only has a terrific voice that blends wonderfully
with Michael Ball's, she sounds like a "street kid." She has more feeling
than any other Eponine I've heard. From what I've heard, she doesn't even
speak English. She had to learn the English lyrics just for the
recording, and she sounds great.
-autumn
Autumn Natel Warren
Where did you get it? I would love to hear Debbie Gibson as Eponine, but
I don't live in New York.
-autumn
Autumn Natel Warren
: >think Debbie Gibson is excellent, as I heard a bootlegged tape. When
: >horrendous sounding voice on the Symphonic Cast. The role of Eponine,
of the best in the entire cast. She has more feeling than any other
Eponine I've heard.
-autumn
Autumn Natel Warren
: German-language Vienna Cast Recording.
:
: Kelson
I've been looking all over for Les Miz in German. Even when I was in the
largest music stores in Hamburg and Munich I couldn't find it. Do you
know where I can get a copy?
-autumn
Michael Soliven Lara
> Hi autumn! I have 21 Les Miz cast recordings including 3 german (Austrian,
> Vienna and one other..) Talk about Eponine insanity.. i've got the entire LES
> MIZ insanity-obession !!! :)
Wait a minute, there's only one German language recording.
Vienna is in Austria, and German is the language which is spoken there.
michae...@uiowa.edu *** My Web pick of the day/week/whatever:
http://reedycreek.stanford.edu/recartsJH/
Features the musical Jekyll & Hyde, with pictures of the show
and several audio clips of the score. A visually striking page.
Saig...@aol.com
: >horrendous sounding voice on the Symphonic Cast. The role of Eponine,
-Don't forget that Kaho Shimada knew NO english while recording the CSR. She
learned it all from memory, and by music. Give her credit for that!
Julie :)
Epon...@aol.com (who just joined this list!)
Saig...@aol.com
>>largest music stores in Hamburg and Munich I couldn't find it. >>Do you
>>know where I can get a copy?
>>-autumn
Hi autumn! I have 21 Les Miz cast recordings including 3 german (Austrian,
Vienna and one other..) Talk about Eponine insanity.. i've got the entire LES
MIZ insanity-obession !!! :)
Take care,
Julie :)
Epon...@aol.com
Faith Burwasser
: Hi autumn! I have 21 Les Miz cast recordings including 3 german (Austrian,
: Vienna and one other..) Talk about Eponine insanity.. i've got the entire LES
: MIZ insanity-obession !!! :)
I have 22 recordings of Les Mis (including the original Japanese single),
and I think there is only one in German that exists. That is the one
from Vienna (which is the capital of Austria- so Vienna cast= Austrian
cast). I'm not sure if the show has even played Germany yet- I know I
read that they were preparing a production, but I don't remember when it
was set to open. There are a couple recordings languages that might sound
similar to German though, such as Dutch.
-Faith :)
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Autumn Natel Warren
: >>know where I can get a copy?
:
: >>-autumn
: Vienna and one other..) Talk about Eponine insanity.. i've got the entire LES
: MIZ insanity-obession !!! :)
: Julie :)
: Epon...@aol.com
Yes, but where did you find the German versions? Can they be ordered?
-autumn
Saig...@aol.com
Sorry for the mix-up on my recordings. I have the Vienna CAST, and Austrian
cast. Geography has always been my worst subjects...
Julie :)
Epon...@aol.com
Saig...@aol.com
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On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 Saig...@aol.com wrote:
> Hi autumn! I have 21 Les Miz cast recordings including 3 german (Austrian,
> Vienna and one other..) Talk about Eponine insanity.. i've got the entire
LES
> MIZ insanity-obession !!! :)
Wait a minute, there's only one German language recording.
Vienna is in Austria, and German is the language which is spoken there.
michae...@uiowa.edu *** My Web pick of the day/week/whatever:
http://reedycreek.stanford.edu/recartsJH/
Features the musical Jekyll & Hyde, with pictures of the show
and several audio clips of the score. A visually striking page.
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Daniel Vasquez
Did you ever see Gemma Wardell in the London Production? She did a
really good job.
For the Vienna cast recording, try getting in contact with these folks:
Dress Circle
57/59 Monmouth Street
Upper St. Martin's Lane
London WC2H 9DG
Tel 0171-240-2227
Fax 0171-379-8540
This "Dress Circle" store in London has just about everything there
is to find when it comes to theatre stuff. Rare recordings, posters,
etc. Check it out and let me know if you have any luck.
Daniel
>: I think I'll definitely go for Jane Comerford on the
>: German-language Vienna Cast Recording.
>:
>: Kelson
>I've been looking all over for Les Miz in German. Even when I was in the
Tania Velinsky (R)
> : Hi autumn! I have 21 Les Miz cast recordings including 3 german (Austrian,
> : Vienna and one other..) Talk about Eponine insanity.. i've got the entire
Wait, wait, wait. Currently there is only one Les Miz cast recording in the
German language, and that was the cast from Vienna, Austria (Called the WIEN
cast on the cover). Les Miz has never been performed in Germany, although it
will be premiering in Duisburg (near Duesseldorf) at the end of the year.
I would assume there will be a recording of this cast, although I don't know
for sure.
Tania
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Brandon
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I personally think that the fact that Shimada knew no English when she was
signed for this recording is a reflection on both the silliness of the
producers and the weak lyrics - can you imagine trying to sing a song with
important lyrics without knowing what you're saying? Really! No matter
how well she sings, I think it was a stupid choice - I would rather have
heard her sing her stuff in her native Japanese and hear how she interprets
lyrics that mean something.
Faith Burwasser
: I personally think that the fact that Shimada knew no English when she was
: signed for this recording is a reflection on both the silliness of the
: producers and the weak lyrics - can you imagine trying to sing a song with
: important lyrics without knowing what you're saying? Really! No matter
: how well she sings, I think it was a stupid choice - I would rather have
: heard her sing her stuff in her native Japanese and hear how she interprets
: lyrics that mean something.
Having played the role in Japan numerous times, I think Shimada knew what
she was singing and had a grasp on the character. :) She is also on 2
Japanese recordings (as well as an out of print single)
By the above logic, Americans shouldn't be singing Puccini or Wagner
because it isn't their native language... I doubt all opera singers are
fluent in all the languages in which they sing.
-Faith
Autumn Natel Warren
: signed for this recording is a reflection on both the silliness of the
: producers and the weak lyrics - can you imagine trying to sing a song with
: important lyrics without knowing what you're saying? Really! No matter
: how well she sings, I think it was a stupid choice - I would rather have
: heard her sing her stuff in her native Japanese and hear how she interprets
: lyrics that mean something.
No, Shimada didn't speak any English, but that doesn't mean that she
didn't know what she was singing. For some reason, I don't think the
dialect coach instructed her only on pronounciation, but on the meaning
as well. Haven't you ever sung in Latin or Hebrew or some other language
other than English? I have and believe me, you know what you're singing.
James Morgan
Melissa Bammel
>: I personally think that the fact that Shimada knew no English when she
was
>: signed for this recording is a reflection on both the silliness of the
>: producers and the weak lyrics - can you imagine trying to sing a song
with
>: important lyrics without knowing what you're saying? Really! No
matter
>: how well she sings, I think it was a stupid choice - I would rather
have
>: heard her sing her stuff in her native Japanese and hear how she
interprets
>: lyrics that mean something.
She knew very well what she was singing. The reason she was picked for the
CSR was because people were so touched by her performance of the role in
Japanese. I don't know where you get the idea that she didn't have a clue
what the words meant.
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performed as Eponine. Awesome voice and projection!!!
She's now playing Eponine in London, has anyone seen her yet?
James
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