FINAL RESULTS - Vote on creation of Rec.Arts.Cartoons
Bob Mosley III
were counted.
SUMMARY OF VOTING:
...despite an overwhelming majority (by some 70 votes), there was not a
sufficient enough margin to justify a request for group creation.
...the final count was 86 votes for, 16 votes against. Five votes for were
rendered inelligble due to having missed the final deadline of 00:00:01 CDT,
10/26/88.
...as for the reasons behind why people voted the way they did, the majority
of "yes" votes were cast for these two main reasons:
1) Rec.Arts.Anime was felt to be too biased towards Japanimation, and was
not conductive towards discussions of American animated works.
2) Rec.Arts.Anime was considered by many to be a place for serious discussion
on (again) Japanimation, and that light-hearted discussions on American
animation would be out of place, and would cause friction between the two
groups.
...the majority of those voting with a "nay" vote were divided among three
lines of thought:
1) Rec.Arts.Anime already exists, and that it is a forum for ALL forms of
animation, including that of American origin.
2) Creation of another newsgroup would only clutter up the net with more
traffic, and that those wanting to discuss American animation should
either stand their ground and say what they feel, or shut up and keep
their thoughts to themselves.
3) Several "nay" votes were cast because of a 72-hour deadline leeway given
to allow for net propagation.
...From this, two things become apparant:
1) those who voted "Yea" primairly did so because they saw a need for a new
newsgroup that would serve to reduce friction between those who are over-
zealous about japanimation, and those who simply wanted to discuss American
works without all the stoicism. Those who voted "Nay" either denied that
there was any hostilities (and thus no need for segregation), felt that
either side should learn to live with and/or wipe out the other, or felt
that the net was simply too big, and didn't need another group.
In short, those who voted "Yea" desired a way to peace, those who voted
"Nay" assumed the "Let God sort them out of the rubble" stance.
2) One of the bad side effects of any form of voting is that the vote can
be affected by matters that really have no significant meaning to the
issue at hand. The 72-hour leeway was one such example. Quite a number of
"nay" voters took issue with this even though it was really a moot point.
Elections tend to bring out the nitpicker in everyone. Just look at how
the presidential candidates always get blasted for something so minute as
"Farting in the car" or "Using a fork to eat Chunky soup". Instead of
concentrating on the issues, voters tend to concentrate on the trivial.
FINAL CONCLUSIONS:
...even though there is arguably enough support for the creation of Rec.Arts.
Cartoons, there was not enough of a majority over those against to justify
the request for group creation. Although 30 votes (not counting the 5 that
were received after the cutoff) may not seem like much of a margin, under
the rules of group creation it is significant.
...since I will be leaving the net, it would be advised for someone with
interest (weemba? Roger? You guys listening??) to take up the standard in a
few months and see once again if there is enough desire for creating the
group.
LIST OF RECEVED VOTES:
The following is a list of those who voted and were counted. My thanks to
those who voted, and for the record only ONE vote was cast publically due to
mail bouncing. The rest made it through with no problems it would appear.
lindy.Stanford.EDU!kevin jf...@andrew.cmu.edu
ttidca.TTI.COM!hollombe uunet.UU.NET!ingr!brooke
SGI.COM!shimrod bsu-cs!bpavey
valhalla.cs.ucla.edu!cc1 homxb!twitch!anuck!jpw
kodak.com!fedsys!scotty!jwr thumper.bellcore.com!dnelson
tntdev!uunet!apple.com!jp cs.buffalo.edu!zucker@
acw!uunet!tektronix!vice.ICO.TEK.COM!lizi MAINE.BITNET!DOW!lll-winken!mailer
hacgate!ENGVAX.SCG.HAC.COM!BILL@ Fr8 cs.yale.edu!chen-holly@
ncr-sd!sdsu!polyslo!rducky!jrp killer!att!ihlpa!ihnp4!ihdev!foz
!!topaz.rutgers.edu!linhart men...@juniper.UUCP
atc@ut-emx acw!uunet!csli.Stanford.EDU!cwitty
andante!ulysses!yomama!usenet wright!thor.Wright.EDU!jcourte
acw!uunet!unisoft!cander valhalla.cs.ucla.edu!cc1
lll-tis!celia!keith lll-tis!celia!peter
lll-tis!celia!neil) lll-tis!celia!larry
lll-tis!celia!charlie acw!uunet!uvm-gen!operjw
acw!uunet!muddcs!bweed lll-winken!uucp
ut.emx!legare thebes!suvax1!hirayama
PIN...@cs.utexas.ed8 watmath!watcgl!electrohome
UNC.BITNET!MAR!lll-winken!mailer jimi!unsvax.uucp!tlhingan
ncrlnk!uunet!csdev!ll1a!cej acw!uunet!pyramid!td2cad!jmarek
!!hplabs.hp.com!hpcea!hpda!blia!ted dartmouth.edu!eleazar!hades@
!ucsdhub.ucsd.edu!ucrmath!slambo killer!osu-cis!bgsuvax!rekill
acw!uunet!steinmetz!shane att.att.com!max!zlhb0a
wf-aus!Gustwick CL105616!lll-winken!mailer
harvard!rochester!cci632!ccird3!rdi@ r...@otto.lvsun.com
uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu!uokmax!jennifer elbereth.rutgers.edu!jessup@
speedy.cs.wisc.edu!pfeiffer@ aramis.rutgers.edu!pearl@
!slf!!apple.com! utai!csri.toronto.edu!pkern
jjung%nunki....@cs.utexas.ed8 portal!cup.portal.com!Orion
!ATHENA.MIT.EDU!mugambo milano!ncr-sd!ncrcae!gollum!craig
harvard!talcott!encore!markb@ killer!att!homxb!amator
acw!uunet!umix!lokkur!scs ames!ucbcad!cgl.ucsf.EDU!kscott
ames!ucbbcad!theshado acw!uunet!braggvax.arpa!ted
acobs.cs.orst.edu!larryg@ mit-eddie!ATHENA.MIT.EDU!rlcarr@
RWC102!lll-winken!mailer cs.utah.edu!boulder!scicom!lucas@
killer!lll-winken!pacbell!pbhyc!djo !!csli.Stanford.EDU!evan
life.pawl.rpi.edu!tale@ JXM114!lll-winken!mailer
ames!sunybcs!milun@ eevlsi.ee.columbia.edu!peter@
topaz.rutgers.edu!msmith@ weemba%garnet.Berkeley.EDU
rjung%sal6.u...@cs.utexas.edu ugwiles@sybil
ames.arc.nasa.gov!yee elbereth.rutgers.edu!cje@
Harvard!pineapple.bbn.com!rsalz@ acw!uunet!SGI.COM!archer
acw!uunet!ncar.UCAR.EDU!woods uunet!steinmetz!welty
gatech.edu!uflorida!ki4pv!tanner@ csd4.milw.wisc.edu!lockslev@
csd4.milw.wisc.edu!dancer@ thebes!fluke!moriarty
acw!uunet!mcvax!crin.crin.fr!tombre harvard!pineapple.bbn.com!rsalz@
ai.cs.wisc.edu!williams@ BBN.COM!oakland.bbn.com!levin@
YBMCU!lll-winken!mailer uunet!svedberg.bcm.tmc.edu!rick
...again, thanks to those who voted. Maybe next time we'll get'em!
OM