Galactica vs. Enterprise
Eric Edwards
Course the Galactica doesn't operate that way. There's always a swarm of
vipers.
Actually you can't determine which one would win. In the Galactica universe,
weopon techonology has advanced far beyond shield technology. Thus a small
ship can carry weopons capable of destroying a large ship. In the Star Trek
Universe, shield technology is more advanced. It takes a large ship to carry
weopenry powerfull enough to overcome the shields.
What we DON'T know is the absolute strengths of weopenry and shields in Star
Trek and Battlestar Galactica. Are the weopens in Battlestar Galactica more
powerful than in Star Trek or are the shields weaker?
The Enterpise is definately faster though. The Galactica maxes out at light
speed. (Groaaaannnn. Whatever happened to reletivity?)
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Jeff Standish
>The Galactica by itself against the Enterprize would certainly be a dead duck.
>Course the Galactica doesn't operate that way. There's always a swarm of
>vipers.
>
>Actually you can't determine which one would win. In the Galactica universe,
>weopon techonology has advanced far beyond shield technology. Thus a small
>ship can carry weopons capable of destroying a large ship. In the Star Trek
>Universe, shield technology is more advanced. It takes a large ship to carry
>weopenry powerfull enough to overcome the shields.
>
>What we DON'T know is the absolute strengths of weopenry and shields in Star
>Trek and Battlestar Galactica. Are the weopens in Battlestar Galactica more
>powerful than in Star Trek or are the shields weaker?
>
>The Enterpise is definately faster though. The Galactica maxes out at light
>speed. (Groaaaannnn. Whatever happened to reletivity?)
Actually the Galatica uses what (in the books) is referred to as the
Maron drive, though a technical discussion is never given. There is
also mention of hyperspace in several of the stories (books or shows?
don't remember offhand). I HAVE seen literature at one convention
(still curse myself for not having enough spare cash to get it) that
gave technical information on the series, such as the size of the
Galactica (2000 ft), cruise speed (25c, almost warp 3 TOS), battle speed
(30-40c, forget exact #, or approx. warp 3.5), don't recall flank speed.
We DO know that the Galatica has powerful shields, since in one episode
("Experiment in Terra" ?) the Galatica uses her force shields to protect
a plant from bombardment by a swarm of missiles which otherwise would
have destroyed the plant (or at least all of the plant's surface).
As for pitting the Galactica against either Enterprise, the only
conclusion I can reach is that the Enterprise could out-run the
Galactica. Other than that, it would not be wise to compare the two.
Even though I like Galactica, most people claim otherwise. Being that
this is a Trek oriented group, so most everyone will scream "The
Enterprise would kick the Galactica's b***!!" IMHO, the two should
not be compared. There is simply too much ambiguity in the power
of the Galactica's weapons and shields as compared to the Enterprise.
That ambiguity would be filled in by personal opinion (here decidedly
Trekish). Though considering that the Galactica is the product of a
millennium-long war, her weapons technology should be well advanced.
Hence the ability to construct personal fighters (Vipers and Raiders)
that are faster that the Galactica (at least the Vipers are, and this
is pointed out in the novelizations) and have sufficient fire-power to
destroy a 2000' Battlestar in only a few moments.
This also leads to the different styles of combat between the two shows,
with ST being big starships going toe-to-toe, while BG is for fighters
going into deep-space dog-fights. I do not think they should be
compared, too much is unknown and it would be left to opinion, and as I
have pointed out, this group is primarily Sart Trek oriented.
BTW- While on the topic of Vipers, what is the general opinion of the
two Vipers on the cover of "The Romulan Way?" Bet that PO'ed a lot of
die-hard Trekies. Was the artist used for phaser target practice, or
just fed to the Klingons?
Dreamwalker
jhc0...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Oh my God, I can't believe my eyes. You guys are actually arguing about
whether the Enterprise or the Galactica is stronger?
Why, when no one has even bothered to address a more important issue,
Is Speed Racer's Mach V more powerful than Michael Knight's K.I.T.T. car?
I can't figure it out myself. KITT has the advantage of a AI computer
but the Mach V has dual BLADES!!!!!
GRIN, it is April Fool's Day, right?
Neale Davidson
Well, actually, I've played out BOTH of these scenarios. (I have a bunch of
role-playing friends...)
The ENTERPRISE and GALACTICA was intresting, the vipers were wiped out quickly,
leaving the two ships. Keep in mind what you're comparing, a cruiser and a
carrier. A carrier's main offensive capabilities are from the fighters that
it carries, a cruiser (we used the 1701-A) has main batteries as the primary
weapons, AKA photons and phasers. A final note on this subject, the Federation
is far more advanced than the GALACTICA is in many aspects of the technology.
The battle resulted with the ENTERPRISE losing one shield, and the GALACTICA
reduced to near nothingness.
Mach V vs KITT ran pretty quickly, those blades didn't even cut through that
special "coating" the makes KITT virtually indestructable... :)
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Nigel Tzeng
^In article <5600...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> jhc0...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
^>
^> Oh my God, I can't believe my eyes. You guys are actually arguing about
^>whether the Enterprise or the Galactica is stronger?
^> Why, when no one has even bothered to address a more important issue,
^>Is Speed Racer's Mach V more powerful than Michael Knight's K.I.T.T. car?
^> I can't figure it out myself. KITT has the advantage of a AI computer
^>but the Mach V has dual BLADES!!!!!
^> GRIN, it is April Fool's Day, right?
^
^Well, actually, I've played out BOTH of these scenarios. (I have a bunch of
^role-playing friends...)
^
^The ENTERPRISE and GALACTICA was intresting, the vipers were wiped out quickly,
^leaving the two ships. Keep in mind what you're comparing, a cruiser and a
^carrier. A carrier's main offensive capabilities are from the fighters that
^it carries, a cruiser (we used the 1701-A) has main batteries as the primary
^weapons, AKA photons and phasers. A final note on this subject, the Federation
^is far more advanced than the GALACTICA is in many aspects of the technology.
^
^The battle resulted with the ENTERPRISE losing one shield, and the GALACTICA
^reduced to near nothingness.
^
^Mach V vs KITT ran pretty quickly, those blades didn't even cut through that
^special "coating" the makes KITT virtually indestructable... :)
^
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^Neale Davidson / r...@expert.cc.purdue.edu
^
Two Points:
1) What game system were you using? In SFB a carrier is worth a boat load
more than a cruiser. We did run one scenario with a CV against a Fed X-Class
crusier (both Fed) and came out with dead carrier (got to close), dead X-Class
and few fighters left over (with no base ship in Deep Space...have fun getting
home guys...)
2) Galactica had a nicer bridge. It looked like it was the command center for
a battle group/carrier. It is arguable that the Big E doesn't need a CIC type
bridge but I agree with the Klingons...That hotel lobby bridge looks to soft
for Warriors. (Silly weapons officer even stands up. What happens when he
falls down? No phasers? Maybe he has a seat on the battle bridge. I don't
remember.) Fed tech are for wimps. Give me Klingons any day. Disruptors yeah!
Fighters and Turbo Lasers Yeah! Goddamn Photon Torpedoes ALWAYS roll a six when
you need them most.
Thanks
NT
PS All of the above are just IMHO.
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ajpo...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
> The Galactica by itself against the Enterprize would certainly be a dead duck.
> Course the Galactica doesn't operate that way. There's always a swarm of
> vipers.
>
> Actually you can't determine which one would win. In the Galactica universe,
> weopon techonology has advanced far beyond shield technology. Thus a small
> ship can carry weopons capable of destroying a large ship. In the Star Trek
> Universe, shield technology is more advanced. It takes a large ship to carry
> weopenry powerfull enough to overcome the shields.
>
> What we DON'T know is the absolute strengths of weopenry and shields in Star
> Trek and Battlestar Galactica. Are the weopens in Battlestar Galactica more
> powerful than in Star Trek or are the shields weaker?
>
> The Enterpise is definately faster though. The Galactica maxes out at light
> speed. (Groaaaannnn. Whatever happened to reletivity?)
>
mean the thick metal shutters that dropped down over the window on the bridge
when Adama would say "raise the shields"?
Secondly, think of WHEN Battlestar Galactica took place...they were looking
for earth, and when they found it, the year was about 1980 (remember the short
lived revival). Now, ST:TNG takes place in 2300 (or something like that), that
means that the good ol' Galactica would be around 400-500 yrs old (taking into
account the time it was around before the "home planets" were destroyed by the
Cylons, and travel time to earth ). Of course the Enterprise would kick the
crap out of the Galactica, just look at the damage inflicted by the cylon
fighters using only turbo lasers. Imagine what phasers and photon torps would
do.
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Scott Cattanach
Actually, there is one problem with the 'carrier vs battleship'
comparison. The Big-E can outrun the fighters that the Big-G
launches (assuming that the vipers can outrun the G, its warp
9 vs approx warp 3-4). An aircraft carrier that launches planes that
fly slower than battleships can move is dead meat. Besides, I thought
warp scales were log.
Worf: "Captain, numerous small craft approaching at warp 3"
Picard: "I surrender"
Worf: "Shuttup you weenie. Helm, sit here and wait for the vipers to
arrive. When they get here, hit the throttle hard and take us
to the Galactica at warp 9. We should get several volleys in before
the main viper strike force manages to catch up with us."
Besides, I have a hard time believing that Starbuck, etc. were really
flying at warp 3-4 within a couple hundred yards (looked more like 60
feet sometimes) of a ship travelling at warp 3-4 while attacking it. Are
your reflexes that good?!?!?!? Considering they did most of their
flying looking out the front window, they should have been strawberry
jam on toast every time they came close to a big ship or each other.
But since Balthazar (sp?) is an even bigger weenie than Picard, the
Big E should have no problems against several base stars.
Didn't the Cylon fighters crash land _inside_ the G's launch bays in one
episode? Some shields. They would be dog food (probably Alpo, get it?).
The Big E could also handle the Death Star because, unknown to all of us,
Riker and Troi are the long lost other pair of twins born to Darth
Vader (Luxwanna Troi gets around :-)
--
-catt (catt...@cs.uiuc.edu)
"Only an intellectual could have been so stupid."
Allen P Haughay Jr
>
>
>Didn't the Cylon fighters crash land _inside_ the G's launch bays in one
>episode? Some shields. They would be dog food (probably Alpo, get it?).
>
Um this happened bunches of times. As did every other special effects
sequence in Battlestar Galactica. They had to have at least one
extended dog fight every single episode. The problem was that it was
too expensive, and too time consuming to produce new effect every
single time a new dogfight was required. What we got to see was the
same turbo laser emplacement firing, the same ship assaults, the
same turbo jet firing, the same explosions, the same Cylon craft
crashing into the Galactica's landing bay...just with the order mixed
up a bit.
Skip Haughay
ACIT-University of Delaware
Jeff Standish
edu writes:
>In article <900401004...@jade.berkeley.edu>, C50...@UMCVMB.BITNET
("Eric Edwards") writes:
>> What we DON'T know is the absolute strengths of weopenry and shields in Star
>> Trek and Battlestar Galactica. Are the weopens in Battlestar Galactica more
>> powerful than in Star Trek or are the shields weaker?
>>
>> The Enterpise is definately faster though. The Galactica maxes out at light
>> speed. (Groaaaannnn. Whatever happened to reletivity?)
>>
> Hold on a minute. WHAT shield tecnology in the Galactica universe? Do you
>mean the thick metal shutters that dropped down over the window on the bridge
First, the Galactica does have energy shield, they used them in one episode to
shield and ENTIRE planet. Second, the Galactica CAN and DOES travel FTL,
though the explanation is vague (IMHO this is good since is a change from
having to explain how everything works). Now, how many times have we (the
fans of Galatica) said that the Galactica can go superluminal?
JLS
Jonathan D.
> Why, when no one has even bothered to address a more important issue,
> Is Speed Racer's Mach V more powerful than Michael Knight's K.I.T.T. car?
> I can't figure it out myself. KITT has the advantage of a AI computer
> but the Mach V has dual BLADES!!!!!
Oh please! All the Mach 5 would have to do is go under water, and
KITT'd short out.
4225...@uwovax.uwo.ca
Yeah but it probably was just strong enought to detonate the missles.
Hitting a live bomb with a hammer is enougth to destroy it.
>
> As for pitting the Galactica against either Enterprise, the only
> conclusion I can reach is that the Enterprise could out-run the
> Galactica. Other than that, it would not be wise to compare the two.
> Even though I like Galactica, most people claim otherwise. Being that
> this is a Trek oriented group, so most everyone will scream "The
> Enterprise would kick the Galactica's b***!!" IMHO, the two should
> not be compared. There is simply too much ambiguity in the power
> of the Galactica's weapons and shields as compared to the Enterprise.
> That ambiguity would be filled in by personal opinion (here decidedly
> Trekish). Though considering that the Galactica is the product of a
> millennium-long war, her weapons technology should be well advanced.
But they lost.
> Hence the ability to construct personal fighters (Vipers and Raiders)
> that are faster that the Galactica (at least the Vipers are, and this
> is pointed out in the novelizations) and have sufficient fire-power to
> destroy a 2000' Battlestar in only a few moments.
>
> This also leads to the different styles of combat between the two shows,
> with ST being big starships going toe-to-toe, while BG is for fighters
> going into deep-space dog-fights. I do not think they should be
> compared, too much is unknown and it would be left to opinion, and as I
> have pointed out, this group is primarily Sart Trek oriented.
Do you notice that the enterprise has LOCK ON phasors. they never miss
and those vipers have no shields (One hit and KAPUT). A photon torp
blowing up nearby would do them all in.
Also the galat doesn't have transport beams. The enterprise could just
transport a bomb inside the ship.
>
> BTW- While on the topic of Vipers, what is the general opinion of the
> two Vipers on the cover of "The Romulan Way?" Bet that PO'ed a lot of
> die-hard Trekies. Was the artist used for phaser target practice, or
> just fed to the Klingons?
>
> Dreamwalker
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