Drug Use on TNG. Horrible thoughts.
Zero Batzell
comparing the old with the new. We discussed the differences between the chara
cters...how they were and how they are and then came up with a scary thought.
I know of one actor who came on the show in the first season looking very clean
cut, bright eyed, and in good physical condition. But now when you look at
this actor he seems a little shaggy (though I always liked the beard), his eyes
are a little sunken/droopy, and he seems to have gained a little weight. These
are a few of the symptons that could be seen in actors Robin Williams and a few
others who have kicked their habits. This is all just speculation and I'd like
belive this actor has just been terribly busy (not much rest), hasn't had much
time for a healthy diet (gained weight), and has just been under a lot of
pressure (shaggy look). It's known that the creators of the show keep close
atch over their actors. I just hope this isn't something they've been
overlooking.
Concerned,
io00844@maine
D. Joseph Creighton
>|> IO0...@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Zero Batzell) writes some stuff.
> Well roll over and call me late for breakfast, 'cause sonny, you aint
>seen nothing yet.
"Sonny"??
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D. Joseph Creighton
>I know of one actor who came on the show in the first season looking very clean
>cut, bright eyed, and in good physical condition. But now when you look at
>this actor he seems a little shaggy (though I always liked the beard), his eyes
>are a little sunken/droopy, and he seems to have gained a little weight. These
>are a few of the symptons that could be seen in actors Robin Williams and a few
>others who have kicked their habits. This is all just speculation and I'd like
>belive this actor has just been terribly busy (not much rest), hasn't had much
>time for a healthy diet (gained weight), and has just been under a lot of
>pressure (shaggy look).
Bah. First off, just spit it out. You were accusing Jonathan Frakes of
being a junky. Don't pussy-foot around it.
Second, I see nothing wrong with being shaggy or having a few extra pounds
around the middle. For all you know, his wife is a fabulous lover (hence
the shaggy part) and cooks fantasic food for him (the "tire").
But the main reason for my posting is this: I have no respect for anyone
who uses drugs. But I also don't accuse anyone of it either. Should it
be true that Frakes is snorting a few, I think he will get what he
deserves.
Excuse my frankness, but I hate rhetoric like this.
Janis Maria Cortese
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>jco...@ccu.umanitoba.ca (D. Joseph Creighton) writes:
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[lots of neat junk deleted]
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> Hey, let's be PC about this.
>
> Is Frakes married? Maybe it's not his wife who's keeping him shaggy?
He is indeed married, to Genie Francis, if my memory serves me.
Regards,
Janis C.
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michael kelly
jco...@ccu.umanitoba.ca (D. Joseph Creighton) writes:
|> IO0...@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Zero Batzell) writes some stuff.
|> Bah. First off, just spit it out. You were accusing Jonathan Frakes of
|> being a junky. Don't pussy-foot around it.
|>
|> Second, I see nothing wrong with being shaggy or having a few extra pounds
|> around the middle. For all you know, his wife is a fabulous lover (hence
|> the shaggy part) and cooks fantasic food for him (the "tire").
Hey, let's be PC about this.
Is Frakes married? Maybe it's not his wife who's keeping him shaggy?
Could it be....Whoopi? Could it be a gay lover? Could it be something too
terrible to mention? Could it be the Men from Planet X?
And who says his wife has to do all the cooking? Maybe his wife is
too busy reading conspiracy literature and all she has time for are Baked
Potatoes(th) and Pork 'n' Beans. Maybe he is carrying the love-child of a
yeti!
Maybe he's got sooo pink that even the con won't dupe him!
|> But the main reason for my posting is this: I have no respect for anyone
|> who uses drugs. But I also don't accuse anyone of it either. Should it
|> be true that Frakes is snorting a few, I think he will get what he
|> deserves.
That's right, X-day is coming, and he had better reserve himself a spot
on one of the saucers, or he can kiss his directing career good-bye. You too
should seriously consider sending $20 to the church, $10 for you and $10 for
Frakes. We will *save* both of you, or we may just give you food.
|> Excuse my frankness, but I hate rhetoric like this.
Well roll over and call me late for breakfast, 'cause sonny, you aint
seen nothing yet.
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`Second, I see nothing wrong with being shaggy or having a few extra pounds
`around the middle. For all you know, [Frakes'] wife is a fabulous lover (hence
`the shaggy part) and cooks fantasic food for him (the "tire").
Isn't Frakes married to soap opera queen Genie Francis? If so, then part (a)
is probably right. Part (b) is probably wrong. I'd guess that TV stars wind
up eating most of their meals in restaurants or getting take-out on the set.
I'm sure I couldn't stay on a diet under those conditions.
Any decline in Frakes' condition is probably due to (a) age and (b) the strain
of working 16-hour days on a weekly series.
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Zero Batzell
I was not ACCUSING Jonathan Frakes of being a junky. I was speculating that
his deteriorating state may be caused by drug use. I intentionally avoided
'getting to the point' so that the reader would first have to think momentarily
about WHO I was talking about and what the problems could be. The post was
meant to spark some reaction to what I was saying in hopes that there was a
better explaination than drug use. So far I've seen a bunch of sarcastic
responses, but no thought out explainations...at least none presented in a
reasonable fashion. (For those of you who have since responded to my post befor
e I have had a chance to read your replies forgive my quick judgement).
IO00844@maine
Atsushi Kanamori
>First let me clarify my actions...
>I was not ACCUSING Jonathan Frakes of being a junky. I was speculating that
>his deteriorating state may be caused by drug use. I intentionally avoided
>'getting to the point' so that the reader would first have to think
>momentarily
>about WHO I was talking about and what the problems could be. The post was
>meant to spark some reaction to what I was saying in hopes that there was a
>better explaination than drug use.
>So far I've seen a bunch of sarcastic
>responses, but no thought out explainations...
Okay, here's an explanation. "It's none of your damn business."
You haven't gotten any "thought out" explanations because most of us (I hope)
don't feel the need to pry into Mr. Frakes' personal life, look for
"explanations" about his personal appearance or throw out innuendos on
a public net. My interest in Mr. Frakes is in how he portrays his character
on TNG. Period. His physical state is a factor in this, certainly, but I'm not
interested in the reasons behind it.
Perhaps I'm overreacting but this growing busybody do-gooder mentality
in our society is a particular sore spot of mine.
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Zero Batzell
Personally I don't need the abuse, nor am I trying to abuse anyone else.
I brought my topic up for discussion only in the sense that it's better to
know about a problem (if there is indeed a problem) and to be able to do
something about it (perhaps before it too LATE?) than to be ignorant to a
problem before it's too late.
Richard Nash
suggestion that Riker looks a wee bit haggard. You are right in saying that
it is better to face the problem than to ignore it until it is too late.
What I found objectionable, was that someone (you) would link this person
with drug abuse without knowing anything about the person, except for what
you see of him on a television show. You may very well be correct in your
insinuation, but is it your or my place to do so? Many a persons career
or life has been ruined by something as innocent as what you have proposed.
Captian Picard would have not approved and would have sent you to your
quarters for a thought realignment.
Additionally he would have sent Riker to see the good doctor for a physical,
but only at the right time. In real life, the actor himself must understand
what he is doing. No matter what anyone says, if he has a substance abuse
problem, (yes even alcohol), it is only himself that can do anything about
it. It is up to Paramount and or who represents him, that must be
responsible enough to recognize the symptoms and help him. It is THIER
problem, (if it exists) not ours to speculate and cause havoc for him.
Leave this speculation to the tabloids that live on unfounded half truths!
P.S. At elementary school as a child, I was found in possesion of a tube
of airplane glue. This incident if handled incorrectly, would have seen me
labeled as a glue sniffer with all sorts of vists to the various concerned
agencies, and no doubt, lots of peer harrasment. Luckily my teacher and the
principal sillfully handled the issue in a professional manner and resolved
that I was building a model at home and had put the tube in my pocket.
I had removed it from my pocket while at school because it was leaking all
over.
Please accept what I have said in the light that I hope it was meant to
be given, and that you do not think of it as abuse, but constructive
thought.
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S'rah
~When I read your first posting several weeks ago, I did agree with the
~suggestion that Riker looks a wee bit haggard.
I heard the original series took quite a bit of time to film. Most probably,
this one does as well, and is wearing out the actors...
Sarah Heacock seh...@summa.tamu.edu
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In "Unification II", it would have been nice if some mention had
been made about Spock's theft of the cloaking device in TOS: "The
Enterprise Incident". Perhaps Sela could have brought this up as a
convenient way to further justify Spock's execution.
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