ST weapons vs. SW weapons
PJF
The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
toast before it could get into weapons range.
Edward Paez
PJF wrote:
Yeah, Yeah. And Spock looks good in spandex.
The Jackyl
Nick Darlington
PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote in article
<5p7a19$1at$1...@news2.alpha.net>...
> The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
> How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
> ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> toast before it could get into weapons range.
Sorry, but they'd have to be bloody good at course-prediction to be able to
hit something that far away, since if they aimed directly, they would hit
the space where their targets were, and if they aimed in advance of the
current course of their target, they have to hope the target can't a) see
the things at all via any means possible, and b) change course.
Also, since I believe SW ships can jump within a relatively short range of
their destination/target (assuming they know where to go), the vast
distances are fairly negatable anyway I think.. only because in the fight,
it would be a wasted advantage to have that much range available.
Nick
Jeff Walters
PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote:
>The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
>How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
>have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
>ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
>toast before it could get into weapons range.
Come on!! Enough of this shit.........I think a lot of people need to
remember these are just movies and tv shows, not REAL LIFE!! They are
good entertainment, so just enjoy them instead of continuing this
irrelevant crap!!!
Michael S. Day
Not necessarily. Remember Star Trek VI? Kirk & co. targeted a cloaked
Klingon bird-of-prey by modifying a torpedo to hone in on the gaseous
emissions from the Klingon vessel's ionized plasma vented out its "tail
pipe." That could be done, and the photon torpedo could then acquire a
target no matter how much it moved around. (Besides, put Worf and Sisko on
the Defiant, and Force or no Force, the SW ships wouldn't stand a chance.
'Nuff said.
- Mike
>
> Sorry, but they'd have to be bloody good at course-prediction to be able
to
> hit something that far away, since if they aimed directly, they would hit
> the space where their targets were, and if they aimed in advance of the
> current course of their target, they have to hope the target can't a) see
> the things at all via any means possible, and b) change course.
>
> Also, since I believe SW ships can jump within a relatively short range
of
> their destination/target (assuming they know where to go), the vast
> distances are fairly negatable anyway I think.. only because in the
fight,
> it would be a wasted advantage to have that much range available.
>
>
> Nick
> > The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
Poncho
Jeff Walters <n970...@scholar.nepean.uws.edu.au> wrote in article
<5p7kvm$j...@ob1.uws.EDU.AU>...
> PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote:
>
> >The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
> >How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> >have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
> >ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> >toast before it could get into weapons range.
>
> remember these are just movies and tv shows, not REAL LIFE!! They are
> good entertainment, so just enjoy them instead of continuing this
> irrelevant crap!!!
Well, you know, people would rather bitch and complain about statistics and
who's got the 'bigger gun' rather than discuss the real reason for the
alt.starwars.xvt newsgroup...discuss the game and its many MANY
shortcomings.
But hey, the issue between Star Wars and Star Trek weapons is way WAY too
important to overlook. These people seriously think that it could happen.
It could! I just hope to see Elvis Presley fly right beside Luke Skywalker
as well....oops! Wrong universe!
Nick Darlington
Michael S. Day <ms...@weir.net> wrote in article
<01bc856c$6232f480$81dce5ce@dayta>...
> Not necessarily. Remember Star Trek VI? Kirk & co. targeted a cloaked
> Klingon bird-of-prey by modifying a torpedo to hone in on the gaseous
> emissions from the Klingon vessel's ionized plasma vented out its "tail
> pipe." That could be done, and the photon torpedo could then acquire a
> target no matter how much it moved around. (Besides, put Worf and Sisko
on
> the Defiant, and Force or no Force, the SW ships wouldn't stand a
chance.
> 'Nuff said.
>
> - Mike
Fair enough.. to be honest, I hadn't thought of a targetting weapon after
launch.. I was thinking more of dumb torpedoes and laser/phaser type
equipment (for a reason even I don't realise ;) ).
Regards,
Nick
Ben Z. Tels
So you're saying Star Trek would win? Always thought so.....
--
Ben Z. Tels
opti...@stack.nl
"The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle
forever."
-- Tsiolkovsky
Scott Brewer wrote in article ...
>Uh folks, lets not forget this:
>Star Wars has the force.
>
>Star Trek has young Wesley Crusher
>
>nuff said.
in...@cybercom.smart.net
Jeff Walters wrote:
>
> PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote:
>
> >The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
> >How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> >have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
> >ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> >toast before it could get into weapons range.
>
> Come on!! Enough of this shit.........I think a lot of people need to
> remember these are just movies and tv shows, not REAL LIFE!! They are
> good entertainment, so just enjoy them instead of continuing this
> irrelevant crap!!!
=====> But Spock, why stop... these..... children, from their...
childish... debate about us!
It's much more... interesting... than watching, my... overracting on...
tv.
;-)
Rune Berge
Your forgetting some very important details! A SW ship can hyperspace
directly within range of a federation ship. The phasors hasn't got a chance
to hit a ship in hyperspace. So if a Super Star Destroyer hypered in next
to a ship like the Enterprise, the ST ship wouldn't have a chance
confronting the firepower of a Super Star Destroyer and the dozens of TIE
Fighters it would Launch. Furthermore, a Death Star would easily destroy
all the Federations planets since it's got hyperspace capability.
PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote in article
<5p7a19$1at$1...@news2.alpha.net>...
Exca...@reborn.com
In article <5p7a19$1at$1...@news2.alpha.net>,
PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote:
>
> The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
> How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
> ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> toast before it could get into weapons range.
But you forget that SW can travel in hyperspace. Remember in Revenge of
the Jedi. They were able to come out of hyper space almost right on top
of the Death star. Also SW could easily evade a ST torp coming from 3.5
million km away. SW would kick B*tt! They have the force. ST does not.
:)
David aka
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Nick Darlington wrote:
> Sorry, but they'd have to be bloody good at course-prediction to be
> able to
> hit something that far away, since if they aimed directly, they would
> hit
> the space where their targets were, and if they aimed in advance of
> the
> current course of their target, they have to hope the target can't a)
> see
> the things at all via any means possible, and b) change course.
>
> Also, since I believe SW ships can jump within a relatively short
> range of
> their destination/target (assuming they know where to go), the vast
> distances are fairly negatable anyway I think.. only because in the
> fight,
> it would be a wasted advantage to have that much range available.
But since phasers travel at the speed of light, then it would only take
one second for the phasers to reach the ship and PT's travel at v +
0.75v/c (without breaking the next warp barrier). So effectively, if
the PT is launched at FTL speeds then it would be undetectable by a SW
ship. PT's do not travel in straight lines, they have guidance systems
so it wouldn't matter it the ship moved or not. The jump would be very
dangerous and probably end with the SW ship destroying itself, unless
you think Han was wrong. The distances are not neglitable except for
the SW ships. Additionally, if the PT coasts without changing course,
it has an unlimited range.
AmishOutlaw
PJF wrote:
>
> "Arnold" <ms...@metronet.de> writes: > > Who starts this crap anyhow?
> > > Sinewave
> > >
> > >
> >
> > yeah, datz right, it´s well-known that the most realistic movies are the SW
> > movies, so why do you argue about the "fake" ST-series ?!
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, SW's "force" sounds really based on reality. Not!
> What's more fake? ST's "science" or SW's "force"???
Oh, so I suppose BEAMING is based on reality...
Actually, the Force WAS based on reality! Several martial arts have
something similar to the Force... this is really what inspired George
Lucas to use his "Force."
--
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J'ai envie du poulet ce soir!
Ok first let's get it straight that by comparing these things is like
comparing apples and oranges. Now that that is out of the way let's see
who is better. First of all, if you want to get technical, the Star Wars
ships are shooting lasers at each other, and it has been said that the
Enterprise's deflector dish, without the use of shields, can hold them
off. But I think if you pit the Enterprise against a Star Destroyer, I
think the Star Destroyer would begin to win. Since the Star Destroyer is
much bigger and has many weapon turrets, compared to the Enterprises 7
phaser emmiters and 2 photon tubes, it would obliterate the Enterprise in
one strike. It also has swarms of Tie Fighters. Simply put, the
Enterprise would be over-welmed. But the Enterprise has one thing above a
Star Destroyer, the transporter. I'd beam a couple hundred mines into key
locations aboard the ship and watch it blow up. :)
(Honestly there is no way you can compare these due to the
fact that Star Trek is based around modern science and Star Wars is just a
dramatic space opera. But it still is fun!)
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On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Scott Brewer wrote:
> Uh folks, lets not forget this:
> Star Wars has the force.
>
> Star Trek has young Wesley Crusher
>
> nuff said.
>
>
> In article <33B74BC6...@earthlink.net>, sterl...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >PJF wrote:
> >
> >> The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
> >> How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> >> have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000
> >> km!!
> >> ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> >> toast before it could get into weapons range.
> >
Arnold
PJF
"Arnold" <ms...@metronet.de> writes: > > Who starts this crap anyhow?
> > Sinewave
> >
> >
>
> yeah, datz right, it愀 well-known that the most realistic movies are the SW
> movies, so why do you argue about the "fake" ST-series ?!
>
>
Daniel Grimwood
: Who starts this crap anyhow?
: Sinewave
The question is, why do they cross post to the binary groups
alt.binaries.starwars and alt.binaries.startrek?
Reaper
PJF
AmishOutlaw <Amish...@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> writes: > PJF wrote:
> >
> > "Arnold" <ms...@metronet.de> writes: > > Who starts this crap anyhow?
> > > > Sinewave
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > yeah, datz right, it愀 well-known that the most realistic movies are the SW
> > > movies, so why do you argue about the "fake" ST-series ?!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, SW's "force" sounds really based on reality. Not!
> > What's more fake? ST's "science" or SW's "force"???
>
> Actually, the Force WAS based on reality! Several martial arts have
> something similar to the Force... this is really what inspired George
> Lucas to use his "Force."
> --
> AmishOutlaw
> Remove "NOSPAM" from my address to E-Mail me!
You're assuming that these martial arts are based in reality as well.
What if there not?
Fiction based on fiction is still fiction. If we want to be really honest
about it, both ST and SW are equally fake and fictious.
B. J. Zolp
Exca...@reborn.com wrote in article <8676699...@dejanews.com>...
> In article <5p7a19$1at$1...@news2.alpha.net>,
> PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote:
> >
> > The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
> > How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> > have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000
km!!
> > ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> > toast before it could get into weapons range.
>
>
> But you forget that SW can travel in hyperspace. Remember in Revenge of
> the Jedi. They were able to come out of hyper space almost right on top
> of the Death star. Also SW could easily evade a ST torp coming from 3.5
> million km away. SW would kick B*tt! They have the force. ST does not.
> :)
>
> David aka
>
> Beyonder
>
> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
The force is insignifficant next to the power of Science!!
>
Shilok
>
>
> You're assuming that these martial arts are based in reality as well.
> What if there not?
> Fiction based on fiction is still fiction. If we want to be really
honest
> about it, both ST and SW are equally fake and fictious.
>
Tell that to 3,000 generations of Shaolin Monks who would wipe the floor
with Worf, without lifting a finger.
Jon Chapin (Assassin)
PJF wrote:
>
> "Arnold" <ms...@metronet.de> writes: > > Who starts this crap anyhow?
> > > Sinewave
> > >
> > >
> >
> > movies, so why do you argue about the "fake" ST-series ?!
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, SW's "force" sounds really based on reality. Not!
> What's more fake? ST's "science" or SW's "force"???
from the dead by mind transference, don't know why *shrug*
The difference in the universes? SW has situations that are inescapable
without extreme casualties or deep comprimises, ST has the same thing,
but also has some major loophole in every situation to get everyone and
everything out perfectly fine, mabe a bruise or two, a dead "red shirt"
or two, but other than that(was the only main character that died and
didn't come back by some miracle Tasha Yar?)...
--
That wondering spirit, from the begining of time:
--=============================================--
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lands butter side down, if you put a slice of toast on a cat's back and
drop them, wouldn't they spin just above the ground?
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and cache in their chips.
Levi Wilhelmsen
If Star Wars has the Force then Star Trek would too because as Yoda says
the Force is in all things including those in the ST. Universe. And what
do you call warping? That is a form of Hyper speed too. And you are
talking about a 1mi long ship a star destroyer couldn't evade anything!!!
Besides has anyone thought that Star Trek shields could be invulnerable to
Star Wars weapons.
B. J. Zolp <ba...@dataplusnet.com> wrote in article
<01bc85cc$19ecc060$cec2...@b.zolp>...
Sinewave
In article <5p9o2l$gb6$1...@enyo.uwa.edu.au>, Daniel Grimwood
<rea...@earwax.pd.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> : Who starts this crap anyhow?
> : Sinewave
>
> The question is, why do they cross post to the binary groups
> alt.binaries.starwars and alt.binaries.startrek?
>
> Reaper
Yes I agree that is a better question...one that I have been asking for
awhile now.
Sinewave
Nathan Rutman
Sinewave wrote:
> Who starts this crap anyhow?
> Sinewave
oh...lighten up...argueing is fun!
James Grady Ward
Nick Darlington wrote:
>
> PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote in article
> <5p7a19$1at$1...@news2.alpha.net>...
> > How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> > have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
> > ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> > toast before it could get into weapons range.
>
> hit something that far away, since if they aimed directly, they would hit
> the space where their targets were, and if they aimed in advance of the
> current course of their target, they have to hope the target can't a) see
> the things at all via any means possible, and b) change course.
Well just how fast can SW ships change course? You do realize
that 300,000 km would just be around one second for either a laser
or a phaser. That means that in one second, the SW ship has to notice
it has been fired on and change course and have time to actually
move along the new course.
>
> Also, since I believe SW ships can jump within a relatively short range of
> their destination/target (assuming they know where to go), the vast
> distances are fairly negatable anyway I think.. only because in the fight,
> it would be a wasted advantage to have that much range available.
Not really since the range of a energy based weapon would
tell you how quickly the "strength" of the beam is decaying
with the range of the weapon being the maximum distance that
it can still do damage.
--
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James Grady Ward
Rune Berge wrote:
>
> Your forgetting some very important details! A SW ship can hyperspace
> directly within range of a federation ship. The phasors hasn't got a chance
> to hit a ship in hyperspace. So if a Super Star Destroyer hypered in next
> to a ship like the Enterprise, the ST ship wouldn't have a chance
> confronting the firepower of a Super Star Destroyer and the dozens of TIE
> Fighters it would Launch.
Have you forgoten that it only took about 10 X-wings to blow up
the first death star? Also have we seen anything to indicate that
SW ships can hit a ship that can manuver at speeds over 50% of light?
Not to mention, a ST ship could probably detect a ship coming
out of hyperspace so it would be welcomed by a small barage of
torpedoes.
> Furthermore, a Death Star would easily destroy
> all the Federations planets since it's got hyperspace capability.
And just why does hyperspace make this so easy?
James Grady Ward
Exca...@reborn.com wrote:
>
> In article <5p7a19$1at$1...@news2.alpha.net>,
> PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote:
> >
> > How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> > have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
> > ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> > toast before it could get into weapons range.
>
> the Jedi. They were able to come out of hyper space almost right on top
> of the Death star.
So, ST ships can track FTL travel.
> Also SW could easily evade a ST torp coming from 3.5
> million km away.
The torpedos can change course and be programed to follow
specific gases. Not to mention, they could fire more than
one making it impossible to avoid them all.
> SW would kick B*tt! They have the force. ST does not.
Actually it does. The force is nothing more than a generlized
telepathic ability. This does exist in ST, it is just not
as developed.
Nick
J'ai envie du poulet ce soir! wrote in article ...
>Ok first let's get it straight that by comparing these things is like
>comparing apples and oranges. Now that that is out of the way let's see
>who is better. First of all, if you want to get technical, the Star Wars
>ships are shooting lasers at each other, and it has been said that the
>Enterprise's deflector dish, without the use of shields, can hold them
>off. But I think if you pit the Enterprise against a Star Destroyer, I
>think the Star Destroyer would begin to win. Since the Star Destroyer is
>much bigger and has many weapon turrets, compared to the Enterprises 7
>phaser emmiters and 2 photon tubes, it would obliterate the Enterprise in
Wrong! All Galaxy Class ships (Which the Enterprise-D is) have 14 phaser
emmiters and 3 torpedo tubes. Not much difernece but it ticks me off when
people who are putting down ST screw up on technical stuff. Get the facts
before you post!!! (you could easily get the facts by reading the TNG Tech
Manual)
Nick
>> Yeah, SW's "force" sounds really based on reality. Not!
>> What's more fake? ST's "science" or SW's "force"???
>
>Actually, the Force WAS based on reality! Several martial arts have
>something similar to the Force... this is really what inspired George
>Lucas to use his "Force."
>--
>AmishOutlaw
>Remove "NOSPAM" from my address to E-Mail me!
>
Does crossing the galaxy in a few days sound real? At least the writers of
ST know that The Milky Way (or ANY galaxy for that matter, including the SW
galaxy) are REAL BIG! Come on!!! That's what realy bugs me about star
wars, crossing the galaxy in a few days at .5 above the speed of light!
What was George thinking when he put that line in about "They could be half
way across the Galaxy" when refering the Millenium Falcon(sp?), which, as I
said above goes .5 above the speed of light.
Nick Darlington
James Grady Ward <jgw...@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote in article
<33B933...@eos.ncsu.edu>...
[snip]
> Have you forgoten that it only took about 10 X-wings to blow up
> the first death star? Also have we seen anything to indicate that
> SW ships can hit a ship that can manuver at speeds over 50% of light?
> Not to mention, a ST ship could probably detect a ship coming
> out of hyperspace so it would be welcomed by a small barage of
> torpedoes.
Those x-wings, as covered in a recent post of mine (so I'll be brief here),
would never have initiated the attack had the rebels not gotten hold of,
and analysed, the blue-prints of afore-mentioned station (the whole story
behind the first film - in case you missed it ;) ).
Also remember that Leia was a member of the Imperial Senate (if I remember
rightly) and without her, the rebels would have run since they would have
found it difficult to penetrate into the high ranks of the imperial side.
> > Furthermore, a Death Star would easily destroy
> > all the Federations planets since it's got hyperspace capability.
>
> And just why does hyperspace make this so easy?
IMO, the DS is better at defence than attack (against spacecraft) since
it's not a 'flyer' as such, but sits in orbits waiting for the right moment
to attack.. the hyperspace capability would allow it to hop great distances
in short time, likely this would be undetected by radars and such as well,
but I think it would be useless by itself after first coming out of
hyperspace, and would have to rely on SD escorts and fighter squadrons
whilst it powered up and aimed.. (trying to apply common-sense to fantasy
here - please bear with it). I'm not aware of the DS's ability to 'turn'
and target a space craft (yet)..
Regards,
Nick
Christopher Patterson
PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote in article
<5p7a19$1at$1...@news2.alpha.net>...
> The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
> How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
> ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> toast before it could get into weapons range.
>
SW ships are faster than any Fed ship. They SW fighters could get up close
to a Fed ship and blowit away. No matter what range SW ship could whip a
Fed ship's ass
John Myers
The main thrust of arguement for the Star Wars universe winning a fight
against the Star Trek universe is that the Star Wars people have the force.
Firstly - How many people in Star Wars have the force? Even before the jedi
holocaust they were one in a hundred thousand. The Jedi would have to be
spread pretty thin, though even so they would be a big advantage.
Second - Why do you assume that Star Trek doesn't have the force? They
don't seem to have Jedi but that's not the same thing. There are plenty of
examples of Star Trek races having powers like the Jedi so there is a good
chance that they could learn, they both seem to be mostly populated by
humans. The Vulcans seem to be most of the way to being Jedi anyway, one
small step and Bingo.Thought : If the Star Trek Universe doesn't have the
force would the Emperor want it? He'd never be able to visit without
becoming weak.
Third - Who would win a fight between a Talosian and a Jedi (non-dark)?
Jedis have to be at peace and calm to use their powers without falling prey
to the Dark side. The only know way to break a Talosian induced mental
illusion is strong emotions like anger.
'Anakin' B Chow
Question: Why the HELL would I check it out from the library or even spend
a cent on such a piece of crap?
Anakin Skywalker
Jason A. A.
On Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:29:51 -0400, "Nick" <nick.d...@usa.net>
wrote:
>
>Wrong! All Galaxy Class ships (Which the Enterprise-D is) have 14 phaser
>emmiters and 3 torpedo tubes. Not much difernece but it ticks me off when
>people who are putting down ST screw up on technical stuff. Get the facts
>before you post!!! (you could easily get the facts by reading the TNG Tech
>Manual)
I do believe you mean 12. Saucer dorsal. Saucer venteral. Stardrive
venteral, Stardrive forward, 1 each on the nacelle pylon, and 6
others.
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In article <01bc85aa$53df2a00$85e0...@aadneb.online.no>, "Rune Berge"
<aad...@online.no> wrote:
> Your forgetting some very important details! A SW ship can hyperspace
> directly within range of a federation ship. The phasors hasn't got a chance
> to hit a ship in hyperspace. So if a Super Star Destroyer hypered in next
> to a ship like the Enterprise, the ST ship wouldn't have a chance
> confronting the firepower of a Super Star Destroyer and the dozens of TIE
> Fighters it would Launch. Furthermore, a Death Star would easily destroy
> all the Federations planets since it's got hyperspace capability.
>
> PJF <fis...@mail.tcbi.com> wrote in article
> <5p7a19$1at$1...@news2.alpha.net>...
> > The Federation would have no problem crushing any SW fleet!
> > How? Weapons range. SW lasers has max range of 1.35 km and torps
> > have a range of around 6 km max. ST Phasers has a range of 300,000 km!!
> > ST torps have a max range of 3.5 million km!!! An SW ship would be
> > toast before it could get into weapons range.
> >
Now look - in Star Wars when you are in Hyperspace you can't scan in real
space. In Star Trek when you are in Subspace you can scan normal space.
Also, like I explain in another reply somewhere, ANY energy weapon that is
not polarised will simply energise a ST ships shields. Visit
http://www.midcoast.com.au/users/modonne/STPhysics.html for ST physics in
about 1 weeks time.. But simply, everyone is forgeting about shields. ST
shields work on having subspace distortions which turn a polarised object
or beam into untuned plasma. If the object or beam is already untuned
plasma, then the shield simply energises to drain it of it's kinetic
energy and the turbolaser blast turns into the equivilent of a mosquito
bite on a tree - useless. So you would be able to use a shuttlecraft
against a SUPER STAR DESTROYER and you would still win, you'd just get
knocked around by the kinetic energy of the blasts.
Now for the TIE's. Phasers travel at the speed of light. As soon as a
TIE came close, you would be able to fry it with a secondary phaser bank
on the engineering hull while you were slicing the SSD to bits.
Finally, Star Wars shields are simply designed to halt the kinetic
energy, and the shields drain if you just hit them. ST shields only drain
by using energy to break up a beams polarity (I'll explain torpdoes in a
minute). They might seem the same, but a ST ship has protection against
Kinetic energy because of the gravitron fields between the subspace
layers, and against polarised weapons. That's how it's protected against
phasers. But the SW ships only have Kinetic protection. The energy
dissipates automatically. A SW beam weapon disspates when it hits a
surface, a ST beam weapon needs to be broken up. ST shields break up a ST
beam weapon, SW shields don't. The ST beam weapon would slice through the
shields with only a minor loss in velocity.
I will stick up for SW in one way - it would take quite a while to cut
up a SSD!
Kane O'Donnell, 14
mod...@midcoast.com.au
Jon Chapin (Assassin)
James Grady Ward wrote:
>
> Rune Berge wrote:
> >
> > Your forgetting some very important details! A SW ship can hyperspace
> > directly within range of a federation ship. The phasors hasn't got a chance
> > to hit a ship in hyperspace. So if a Super Star Destroyer hypered in next
> > to a ship like the Enterprise, the ST ship wouldn't have a chance
> > confronting the firepower of a Super Star Destroyer and the dozens of TIE
> > Fighters it would Launch.
>
> the first death star?
right? I don't think 10 X-Wings could just attack the Deathstar and
destroy it without the weakness. I suppose it may only take ten guys in
space suits to destroy a Federation starship if it had a self destruct
button on the outside hull :-) What I'm saying is, it was a weakness in
the plan, I'm sure they fixed that in the newer versions, and if the
outer hull was completed (no hole straight to the reactor core), the
outcome of the Endor Battle would have been quite different.
>Also have we seen anything to indicate that
> SW ships can hit a ship that can manuver at speeds over 50% of light?
> Not to mention, a ST ship could probably detect a ship coming
> out of hyperspace so it would be welcomed by a small barage of
> torpedoes.
pro you can't really compare. First off, sure they can manuver fast,
but only as fast as you can type in the coordinates of the path you want
to take/call up a subroutine. You'll be flying in a predictable pattern
or in a straight line for long periods of time eventually in a ST ship,
and all a SW fighter has to do to attack is push his flight yoke in the
correct directions and bam, yer hit. Plus, it's nice that some torps
would wait for ya, but yet again, the clear advantage goes to SW
fighters/less than cap ships in all they have to do is pull up on the
stick when the warning lights come up and they're in the clear. So far
what I've seen VERY few homing torps in the ST universe (one, in ST VI,
which had to be specially modified, and have heard of one other
instance), so those are basically useless against SW standard ships, and
if phasers work the same (as I guess) by using the ships projected path
along the line it's taking now instead of an operator aiming and using
good judgement, ST ships are gonna have a helluva time hitting SW ships
(except the big ones, which operate on the same basis as ST ships)
Then again, this proves more the truth it's hard to compare, really. SW
Ships go on the basis of naval warfa