Just my 2 cents...
LCDR Philip D. Muller
Weapons Engineering Specialist
USS Excalibur, NCC-1705
Starfleet Command rpg group
>Matthew May (mm...@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
>
>: In dismay, Worf finds himself on the Starship James Kirk and is greeted by
>: Admiral Picard who informs them that it is too late - further resistance is
>: futile. The James Kirk is badly damaged but manages to lead a group of
>: transport ships and other vessels away from the Solar System in retreat.
>: Several Borg ships attempt to follow, but Picard is able to destroy them and
>: the fleet warps off to safety. A sullen Admiral Picard then transmits an
>: emergency coded starfleet message for all remaining Federation vessels to
>: rendaveous in the Badlands.
>
>Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most
>stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
>but USS James Kirk ?.
>
How about today, in the 20th century, three classes of ships in the USN
that use peoples' names: The "Charles F. Adams" class (fairly old, but
some still around), the "Oliver Hazard Perry" class FFGs, and the
"Arleigh Burke" class? Not to mention the George Washington class
ballistic missile submarines.
Yours aye,
P.S., what is inherently ridiculous about naming a ship or class of ships
after a person or people? No more ridiculous, to my mind, than naming
them for cities (both the USN and Canadian Navy), or flowers (WWII RN
corvettes), or provinces (Canadian Navy's new minesweepers/coastal patrol
craft)
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>I've noticed this too - Starfleet vessels usually are named onlt after the
>persons surname and not their full name like they are today in the US
>Navy. When reading the newspapaer, you see "USS Abraham Lincoln" of "USS
>Dwight D Eisenhower" or "USS Theodore Roosevelt". I never understood why
>they gave them the entire names - we'd know who they were named after
>without the first names.
I dunno... USS Roosevelt could lead to confusion. After all, would it be
named for T.R. or F.D.R.?
Yours aye,
Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should
be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk").
Steve Sebelius
sebe...@lvsun.com
>>Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most
>>stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
>>but USS James Kirk ?.
>Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
>Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should
>be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk")
Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
(Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...
But I have no doubt that we will see a USS James T. Kirk in the future -
in the US Navy. After all, who would have believed 30-40 years ago that
there would be an aircraft carrier called USS Ronald Reagan?
:) :) :)
Timo S Saloniemi (no, don't call me Sal)
(P.S. Wouldn't it be ironic if Reagan was scrapped because of
defense budget cuts before completition?)
: Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
: Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should
: be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk").
You see a pattern here? yup there all american ships, and americans
always seem to come up with some wierd names for ships, whats wrong with
USS Ark royal ? or USS Invincible or USS Belfast or so on
I still find the idea of naming a ship after a person rather wierd, or at
least give it the name of the persons surname (god help us if the russians
decided to give their ships FULL russian names - USS Victor
Cheirdamernan (I've spelt it wrong, I know that :), ouch (Yea I know russian
ships don't have USS)
Nigel Brodt-Savage
n.brodt...@sees.bangor.ac.uk
: Steve Sebelius
: sebe...@lvsun.com
: >>Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most
: >>stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
: >>but USS James Kirk ?.
: >Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
: >Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should
: >be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk")
: Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
: (Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
: Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...
: But I have no doubt that we will see a USS James T. Kirk in the future -
: in the US Navy. After all, who would have believed 30-40 years ago that
: there would be an aircraft carrier called USS Ronald Reagan?
: :) :) :)
: Timo S Saloniemi (no, don't call me Sal)
: (P.S. Wouldn't it be ironic if Reagan was scrapped because of
: defense budget cuts before completition?)
You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ?????? come on
not EVEN americans could do that???? , what is it anyway? a ex - second
world war supply ship ? and they called King George mad.
Nigel Brodt-Savage
n.brodt...@sees.bangor.ac.uk
: : >>Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most
: : >>stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
: : >>but USS James Kirk ?.
: : >Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
: : >Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should
: : >be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk")
: : Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
: : (Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
: : Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...
: : But I have no doubt that we will see a USS James T. Kirk in the future -
: : in the US Navy. After all, who would have believed 30-40 years ago that
: : there would be an aircraft carrier called USS Ronald Reagan?
: : :) :) :)
: : Timo S Saloniemi (no, don't call me Sal)
: : (P.S. Wouldn't it be ironic if Reagan was scrapped because of
: : defense budget cuts before completition?)
: You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ?????? come on
: not EVEN americans could do that???? , what is it anyway? a ex - second
: world war supply ship ? and they called King George mad.
: Nigel Brodt-Savage
: n.brodt...@sees.bangor.ac.uk
Actually the poster is refering to an aircraft carrier that is being built
(I think it is supposed to be a nuclear ship Nimtz Class), I didn't know
that they had a name for it yet. If they don't the only problem is that
I don't think you can name a US ship after a person until they are dead.
Besides what was wrong with Regan, he pulled this country out of double digit
inflation AND unemployment (and they weren't hamburger flipper jobs either
just talk to Bill Gates and Microsoft), drove the Soviet Union into the
ground economically trying to keep up with us, and had budgets with lower
deficets than the current occupant of the White House while building up a
military that prior to his budget probably couldn't when a war if it had to.
>: Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
>: (Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
>: Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...
I was just corrected on the matter - there IS a USS Thomas Paine. Sorry
'bout that.
>: But I have no doubt that we will see a USS James T. Kirk in the future -
>: in the US Navy. After all, who would have believed 30-40 years ago that
>: there would be an aircraft carrier called USS Ronald Reagan?
>
>: :) :) :)
>
> You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ?????? come on
>not EVEN americans could do that???? , what is it anyway? a ex - second
>world war supply ship ? and they called King George mad.
I'm afraid I'm not joking. USS Ronnie is a CVN in the early building
phase - I think it will be CVN-76 or something like that, but my
memory is really hazy and my source material is far away.
I think USS America is more to the crazy side - who would have
the courage to actually deploy that ship in the time of an all-
out war? Even the Nazi Germany re-christened Deutschland in fear
of having it sunk. Yamato was another ship whose name had
perhaps too much symbolic value. I have no doubt that some
would cheer the sinking of a ship bearing the name of their
leader, but losing one bearing the name of their country...
Timo Saloniemi
> Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
> (Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
> Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...
Not so, there was a USS Thomas Paine (NCC-65530) in the TNG story
"Conspiracy". There's also the USS Crazy Horse, but I'm not sure if that
counts as a full name (although it sounds much better than USS Crazy or
USS Horse!).
-- Alex.
>> You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ??????
>I'm afraid I'm not joking. USS Ronnie is a CVN in the early building
>phase - I think it will be CVN-76 or something like that, but my
>memory is really hazy and my source material is far away.
I think it's a misrecollection. I'm pretty sure you need to be
physically dead, not just mentally dead, to have a ship named
after you. Like stamps.
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: In article <48f1i7$i...@nntp.hut.fi>, tsal...@vipunen.hut.fi (Timo S Saloniemi) writes:
: >In article <487orb$k...@hydraulix.bangor.ac.uk> ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Mr N Brodt-Savage) writes:
: >> You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ??????
: >I'm afraid I'm not joking. USS Ronnie is a CVN in the early building
: >phase - I think it will be CVN-76 or something like that, but my
: >memory is really hazy and my source material is far away.
: I think it's a misrecollection. I'm pretty sure you need to be
: physically dead, not just mentally dead, to have a ship named
: after you. Like stamps.
No, its real. There was a ceremony, and either the Secretary of the
Defense, or the top Navy guy, stated he had phoned Nancy to tell her of
the decision. However, the USS Ronald Reagan won't be christened anytime
soon. I'm not even sure the keel has been laid on this one. Meanwhile
I believe that the amount of time left for Ronnie is fairly finite.
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