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StarTrek 8 - The Last Stand (Script Synopsis)

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Matthew May

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This is a RePost for all of you who missed it the first time and have
been requesting to see it again.

Tentatively scheduled for Thanksgiving '96, the next StarTrek movie (ST8)
is currently being called "The Last Stand" - referring of course to the Borg
invasion of Federation Space. The following is only a general synopsis of
the "working copy" of the script. Many of the details in the script were
<extremely> sketchy and many things are still expected to change.


The movie will open with a fleet of Borg ships (new and old) ariving
through the Wormhole by DS9. This comes as a surprise to the Federation who
have been preparing for the Borg arrival from the Delta Quadrant. DS9 feebly
attempts to hinder the Borg, but their efforts are in vain. The Borg
effortlessly dissable DS9's defenses, leaving the space station helpless and
adrift. During the Borg attack, however, Captain Sisko is able to evacuate
all personal to the surface of Bajor. Deciding that he should stay behind
with his people, Sisko orders Worf to take the Defiant to Earth to try to
warn the Federation of the Borg's arrival. The Borg leave a few ships in
orbit around Bajor, but it seems that their interest lie primarily in
penetrating deeper into Federation space. Worf is met with little resistance
from the orbiting Borg ships as he leaves DS9 following the main Borg fleet
toward Earth.

Upon reaching Earth, Worf finds StarFleet and Borg ships engaged in battle.
Realizing that StarFleet defenses have been caught off guard and are heavily
outmathed, Worf joins the heat of battle. The Defiant is under heavy attack
and it shields dissabled. Worf sets a kahmikaze course toward a Borg vessel,
but is suddenly beamed out of the fiery Defiant moments before it collides.
In dismay, Worf finds himself on the Starship James Kirk and is greeted by
Admiral Picard who informs them that it is too late - further resistance is
futile. The James Kirk is badly damaged but manages to lead a group of
transport ships and other vessels away from the Solar System in retreat.
Several Borg ships attempt to follow, but Picard is able to destroy them and
the fleet warps off to safety. A sullen Admiral Picard then transmits an
emergency coded starfleet message for all remaining Federation vessels to
rendaveous in the Badlands.

Out in deep space on their first mission with the Enterprise-E, Captain
Riker and First Officer Data receive Picard's encoded message and immediately
set course for the Badlands. They arrive days later and are met with
suspicion by Maquis scout ships on the outer fringes of the Badlands. The
scout ships then lead them further into the heart of the Badlands where they
discover a refugee camp of sorts comprised of various battle damaged
Starships and other vessels. Amongst the Federation ships Riker and Data
observe Cardassian, Vulcan, Maquis and many other non-federation ships.
Data concludes that the Borg invasion must have been an all out invasion of
all races in the Alpha Quadrant, not just Earth. Their darkened spirits are
lifted for a moment when they receive a hail from Admiral Picard who
then beams aboard the Enterprise to great Riker.

Their welcoming is subdued, however, as Riker notices the worry on
Picard's face. Picard informs Riker that there is much that they need to
discuss. In a private discussion in Riker's ready room, Picard informs him
that it is merely a matter of time before the Borg discover their hiding place
in the Badlands. In an attempt to organize this ragtag fleet of multi-racial
starships, Picard was nominated as leader. Picard relates to Riker that he
has extreme doubts about his ability at such a weighty position. He does not
want sole responsible of the future of civilization. Suddenly, an emergency
message comes through that Klingon warships have just entered the Badlands
seeking refuge. Furthermore, the Klingons bring news that the Klingon Home
World was ovverun and Gowron himself was assimilated. As they speak, the
Klingon Ships come under fire from three decloaking Klingon Attack Cruisers.
A Borgified Gowron hails the refugee fleet to announce that they will all be
assimilated. Picard gives the order and Riker engages the Enterprise-E into
battle. With the help of the refugee Klingon ships, Riker is able to destroy
Gowron's fleet, but the victory is an empty one.

In a scene on board the damaged James Kirk, Picard is sitting solemnly by
himself in the crew lounge. He is alone in the darkness feeling the
responsibility of his position when a hand softly caresses his cheek. It is
the hand of Beverly Crusher. Picard looks at her in shock and states his
amazement at her being alive. She informs him she just arrived with the
Klingon fleet. The starship she was serving on had been on it's way to the
Badlands when they were intercepted by Borg scout ships. Their death was
imenant when suddenly the Klingons decloaked and changed the tables.
Although the warp drive on her StarShip was destroyed, the Klingons offered
to take them on board in exchange for knowledge of where they were fleeing.
Besides, she said, I could never stay away from you very long.

Moments before meeting with the commanders of the other vessels, Picard
calls together his comrades from the original Enterprise-D. He tells them
that it is good to see them all again, but that this may be the last time.
For the first time in many years there is no clear road to travel. There
clear choice to choose. "I am an explorer," he tells them, "not a warrior."
The meeting commenses with the commanders and crew. Bitter arguing ensues
between those who want to fight and those who want to flee. Picard is quiet
but eventually controls everyone's attention when he offers a third option.
Perhaps as Locutus he may still have some sway over the Borg. It may be
possible that he could retain enough of his own will to ... But Crusher
would not hear him out. She radically objected, saying that although such an
operation may be possible, the Borg consiousness would quickly overrun any
free will that an individual might have. Besides, Jean-Luc is needed here.
Picard conceited, reaching the conclusion the he thought it would be best
to retreat. Many at the table, including Worf, audibly objected to this, but
Picard had made his decision. On his way from the meeting, Picard whispered
something to LaForge whom had been listening by the door.

On various ships and in various corners, there are rising levels of dissent
against Picard's ultamatum. Many Starfleet officers join Maquis and Klingon
divisions in planning an attack on the Borg - Worf is amongst them. Picard,
although largely unaware, gets wind of this faction and pulls Worf aside.
Picard tells him that there is a time to fight and a time to retreat - and
Picard is not sure what time they are facing now. But, he concludes, urge
your people to have patience.

As the fleet begins to leave the Badlands, a singular ship turns and heads
toward earth, it is the Starship James Kirk with Geordi at the helm. Riker
onboard the Enterprise demands an explanation. It seems that Picard went
through with his plan of Borgifying himself - as did many other participants
whom were all on board. Geordi did not have time to explain the details but
insisted that Picard's last wish was for the fleet to continue on its course.
With a troubled face and tearse eyes Riker bids Geordi well and continues
as leader of the fleet.

A visually upset Beverly Crusher leaves the bridge and beams over to Worf's
vessel. She explains to Worf the situation and begs him to pursue - they can
not let the Captain do this to himself. Beverly appeals to the crew on board
bridge and Worf is won over. Hailing the other "sympathetic" ships, Worf
belows that "Now is the time!". Worf sets a new heading following the James
Kirk. As Worf and Beverly warp out of sight, Riker once again comes on the
veiw screen demanding an explanation. He is answered by a warrior-clad Worf
who informs him that many of "us" would rather die in battle than flee. More
and more ships begin to peel off from the pack to pursue Worf. With nearly a
third of his fleet gone, Riker is ill-prepared to face any encounter with the
Borg. Faced with the delema of following through with Picard's last wish for
the fleet to retreat, or turning back to fight, Riker chooses the latter and
follows Worf into battle.

Onboard the James Kirk, we see Geordi make the final touches to Locutus and
a sickbay full of other Borgified crewman. As tears roll out from beneath his
VISOR, Geordi holds Picards human hand and says "God save us all." Slowly,
Locutus begins to awaken and Geordi lets go. Locutus sits up and begins to
contact the Borg consiousness. As Geordi leaves sickbay, the small group of
Borg are transported on board the Borg MotherShip.

Meanwhile, near Earth, Beverly and Worf catch up with the James Kirk which
does not respond to their hails. The nearby Borg mothership begins to fire
on Worf's ship. The crew take evasive maneuvers and attempt to fight back,
but the Borg weapons are too powerful. A hail from Geordi tells them to lower
their sheilds and beam over. Just as they do their ship is destroyed, but
Geordi has them safely on board the James Kirk. Geordi informs Crusher that
they must leave immediately. Picard and the other Borgified crew members were
volunteers on a suicide mission. They were surgically implanted with
antimatter discharges timed to explode shortly after connecting to the Borg
consiousness. Crusher locates Picard on board the Borg vessel and beams to
his location.

Outside the Borg ship, the ragtag fleet arives and opens fire on the Borg.
Other Borg ships come to the aid of their MotherShip. In the heat of battle,
Geordi informs Riker that the MotherShip will explode in a matter of minutes.
Riker alerts the fleet to this and they attempt to "push" the other Borg
ships into a defensive stance around the MotherShip.

Inside the Borg MotherShip, an emotional Crusher pleads with Picard to
listen to her. Don't let them overrun your humanness. The one thing that
they cannot stop is love. "I love you Jean-Luc", she cries. We see Picard's
face contort as he is fighting for control. She grabs his hand. I love you.
Don't leave me, she cries again and again. In a fit of convulsions Picard
falls to the ground. "We...I...We...," he struggles. Standing up again
Picard reaches with his mechanical arm and wipes a tear off of Beverly's
cheek - and reaffirms her love. At this moment outside the Borg ship, all
weapons fire against Riker's fleet comes to a halt. Borg shields lower.

Holding Picard in her arms, Beverly beams back to the James Kirk. Seconds
later the MotherShip explodes taking with it many of the other Borg ships
nearby. The other Borg vessels drift in confusion as the emotion of love
percolates through the collective. Riker's fleet fires relentlessly at the
Borg destroying them all.

A final scene on Earth shows a destroyed StarFleet headquarters. In sort
of a make shift hospital, Beverly tends to Picard who talks to Riker on a view
screen. With this new unified fleet, Riker and his counterparts are slowly
attempting to chase the Borg back out of the Alpha Quadrant.

From Space, we see the Enterprise-E and a new fleet of joint ships
(Romulan, Klingon, Cardassian) jump to warp.

Phil Muller

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Oct 30, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/30/95
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Well, it's sort of like this: The United States Navy officially named
its first ship in its newest class of aircraft carrier the USS Chester A.
Nimitz, but no one calls it that...they just call it the Nimitz....a
similar situation may arise.

Just my 2 cents...

LCDR Philip D. Muller
Weapons Engineering Specialist
USS Excalibur, NCC-1705
Starfleet Command rpg group


William Underhill

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Nov 2, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/2/95
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In a previous article, ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Mr) N Brodt-Savage) says:

>Matthew May (mm...@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
>
>: In dismay, Worf finds himself on the Starship James Kirk and is greeted by


>: Admiral Picard who informs them that it is too late - further resistance is
>: futile. The James Kirk is badly damaged but manages to lead a group of
>: transport ships and other vessels away from the Solar System in retreat.
>: Several Borg ships attempt to follow, but Picard is able to destroy them and
>: the fleet warps off to safety. A sullen Admiral Picard then transmits an
>: emergency coded starfleet message for all remaining Federation vessels to
>: rendaveous in the Badlands.
>

>Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most
>stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
>but USS James Kirk ?.
>

How about today, in the 20th century, three classes of ships in the USN
that use peoples' names: The "Charles F. Adams" class (fairly old, but
some still around), the "Oliver Hazard Perry" class FFGs, and the
"Arleigh Burke" class? Not to mention the George Washington class
ballistic missile submarines.

Yours aye,

P.S., what is inherently ridiculous about naming a ship or class of ships
after a person or people? No more ridiculous, to my mind, than naming
them for cities (both the USN and Canadian Navy), or flowers (WWII RN
corvettes), or provinces (Canadian Navy's new minesweepers/coastal patrol
craft)


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William Underhill

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Nov 3, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/3/95
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In a previous article, gt5...@acmex.gatech.edu (S C Q Askew) says:

>I've noticed this too - Starfleet vessels usually are named onlt after the
>persons surname and not their full name like they are today in the US
>Navy. When reading the newspapaer, you see "USS Abraham Lincoln" of "USS
>Dwight D Eisenhower" or "USS Theodore Roosevelt". I never understood why
>they gave them the entire names - we'd know who they were named after
>without the first names.

I dunno... USS Roosevelt could lead to confusion. After all, would it be
named for T.R. or F.D.R.?

Yours aye,

steve sebelius x4063

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Nov 10, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/10/95
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In article <472j92$o...@geriatrix.bangor.ac.uk>,
(Mr) N Brodt-Savage <ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk> wrote:
>Matthew May (mm...@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
>
>: In dismay, Worf finds himself on the Starship James Kirk and is greeted by

>: Admiral Picard who informs them that it is too late - further resistance is
>: futile. The James Kirk is badly damaged but manages to lead a group of
>: transport ships and other vessels away from the Solar System in retreat.
>: Several Borg ships attempt to follow, but Picard is able to destroy them and
>: the fleet warps off to safety. A sullen Admiral Picard then transmits an
>: emergency coded starfleet message for all remaining Federation vessels to
>: rendaveous in the Badlands.
>
>Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most
>stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
>but USS James Kirk ?.

Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should
be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk").

Steve Sebelius
sebe...@lvsun.com


Timo S Saloniemi

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Nov 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/13/95
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In article <DHuB9...@lvsun.com> sebe...@lvsun.com (steve sebelius x4063) writes:
>In article <472j92$o...@geriatrix.bangor.ac.uk>,
>(Mr) N Brodt-Savage <ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk> wrote:
>>Matthew May (mm...@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
>>
>>: In dismay, Worf finds himself on the Starship James Kirk and is greeted by

>>: Admiral Picard who informs them that it is too late - further resistance is
>>: futile. The James Kirk is badly damaged but manages to lead a group of
>>: transport ships and other vessels away from the Solar System in retreat.

>>Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most


>>stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
>>but USS James Kirk ?.

>Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
>Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should
>be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk")

Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
(Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...

But I have no doubt that we will see a USS James T. Kirk in the future -
in the US Navy. After all, who would have believed 30-40 years ago that
there would be an aircraft carrier called USS Ronald Reagan?

:) :) :)

Timo S Saloniemi (no, don't call me Sal)

(P.S. Wouldn't it be ironic if Reagan was scrapped because of
defense budget cuts before completition?)

Mr N Brodt-Savage

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Nov 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/13/95
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steve sebelius x4063 (sebe...@lvsun.com) wrote:
: In article <472j92$o...@geriatrix.bangor.ac.uk>,

: (Mr) N Brodt-Savage <ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk> wrote:
: >Matthew May (mm...@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
: >
: >: In dismay, Worf finds himself on the Starship James Kirk and is greeted by

: >: Admiral Picard who informs them that it is too late - further resistance is
: >: futile. The James Kirk is badly damaged but manages to lead a group of
: >: transport ships and other vessels away from the Solar System in retreat.
: >: Several Borg ships attempt to follow, but Picard is able to destroy them and
: >: the fleet warps off to safety. A sullen Admiral Picard then transmits an
: >: emergency coded starfleet message for all remaining Federation vessels to
: >: rendaveous in the Badlands.
: >
: >Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most

: >stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
: >but USS James Kirk ?.

: Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
: Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should

: be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk").

You see a pattern here? yup there all american ships, and americans
always seem to come up with some wierd names for ships, whats wrong with
USS Ark royal ? or USS Invincible or USS Belfast or so on
I still find the idea of naming a ship after a person rather wierd, or at
least give it the name of the persons surname (god help us if the russians
decided to give their ships FULL russian names - USS Victor
Cheirdamernan (I've spelt it wrong, I know that :), ouch (Yea I know russian
ships don't have USS)

Nigel Brodt-Savage
n.brodt...@sees.bangor.ac.uk

: Steve Sebelius
: sebe...@lvsun.com


Mr N Brodt-Savage

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Nov 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/13/95
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Timo S Saloniemi (tsal...@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:

: In article <DHuB9...@lvsun.com> sebe...@lvsun.com (steve sebelius x4063) writes:
: >In article <472j92$o...@geriatrix.bangor.ac.uk>,
: >(Mr) N Brodt-Savage <ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk> wrote:
: >>Matthew May (mm...@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
: >>
: >>: In dismay, Worf finds himself on the Starship James Kirk and is greeted by

: >>: Admiral Picard who informs them that it is too late - further resistance is
: >>: futile. The James Kirk is badly damaged but manages to lead a group of
: >>: transport ships and other vessels away from the Solar System in retreat.

: >>Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most


: >>stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
: >>but USS James Kirk ?.

: >Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
: >Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should

: >be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk")

: Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
: (Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
: Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...

: But I have no doubt that we will see a USS James T. Kirk in the future -
: in the US Navy. After all, who would have believed 30-40 years ago that
: there would be an aircraft carrier called USS Ronald Reagan?

: :) :) :)

: Timo S Saloniemi (no, don't call me Sal)

: (P.S. Wouldn't it be ironic if Reagan was scrapped because of
: defense budget cuts before completition?)

You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ?????? come on
not EVEN americans could do that???? , what is it anyway? a ex - second
world war supply ship ? and they called King George mad.

Nigel Brodt-Savage
n.brodt...@sees.bangor.ac.uk


JEREMY A. DU-CHARME

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Nov 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/15/95
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Mr N Brodt-Savage (ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk) wrote:

: Timo S Saloniemi (tsal...@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:
: : In article <DHuB9...@lvsun.com> sebe...@lvsun.com (steve sebelius x4063) writes:
: : >In article <472j92$o...@geriatrix.bangor.ac.uk>,
: : >(Mr) N Brodt-Savage <ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk> wrote:
: : >>Matthew May (mm...@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
: : >>
: : >>: In dismay, Worf finds himself on the Starship James Kirk and is greeted by

: : >>: Admiral Picard who informs them that it is too late - further resistance is
: : >>: futile. The James Kirk is badly damaged but manages to lead a group of
: : >>: transport ships and other vessels away from the Solar System in retreat.

: : >>Who in hell is going to call a ship USS James Kirk? thats is one of the most


: : >>stupid names I've ever heard for ship, USS Kirk maybe (no, PLEEAAASSE NOOO!)
: : >>but USS James Kirk ?.

: : >Hmmmmm, USS John F. Kennedy, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, USS Arleigh Burke, USS
: : >Abraham Lincoln...I don't think it's a stupid name. In fact, I think it should
: : >be the USS James T. Kirk. (Of course, it will be commonly known as the "Kirk")

: : Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
: : (Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
: : Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...

: : But I have no doubt that we will see a USS James T. Kirk in the future -
: : in the US Navy. After all, who would have believed 30-40 years ago that
: : there would be an aircraft carrier called USS Ronald Reagan?

: : :) :) :)

: : Timo S Saloniemi (no, don't call me Sal)

: : (P.S. Wouldn't it be ironic if Reagan was scrapped because of
: : defense budget cuts before completition?)

: You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ?????? come on
: not EVEN americans could do that???? , what is it anyway? a ex - second
: world war supply ship ? and they called King George mad.

: Nigel Brodt-Savage
: n.brodt...@sees.bangor.ac.uk
Actually the poster is refering to an aircraft carrier that is being built
(I think it is supposed to be a nuclear ship Nimtz Class), I didn't know
that they had a name for it yet. If they don't the only problem is that
I don't think you can name a US ship after a person until they are dead.
Besides what was wrong with Regan, he pulled this country out of double digit
inflation AND unemployment (and they weren't hamburger flipper jobs either
just talk to Bill Gates and Microsoft), drove the Soviet Union into the
ground economically trying to keep up with us, and had budgets with lower
deficets than the current occupant of the White House while building up a
military that prior to his budget probably couldn't when a war if it had to.

Timo S Saloniemi

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Nov 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/16/95
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In article <487orb$k...@hydraulix.bangor.ac.uk> ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Mr N Brodt-Savage) writes:
>Timo S Saloniemi (tsal...@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:

>: Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
>: (Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
>: Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...

I was just corrected on the matter - there IS a USS Thomas Paine. Sorry
'bout that.

>: But I have no doubt that we will see a USS James T. Kirk in the future -
>: in the US Navy. After all, who would have believed 30-40 years ago that
>: there would be an aircraft carrier called USS Ronald Reagan?
>
>: :) :) :)
>

> You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ?????? come on
>not EVEN americans could do that???? , what is it anyway? a ex - second
>world war supply ship ? and they called King George mad.

I'm afraid I'm not joking. USS Ronnie is a CVN in the early building
phase - I think it will be CVN-76 or something like that, but my
memory is really hazy and my source material is far away.

I think USS America is more to the crazy side - who would have
the courage to actually deploy that ship in the time of an all-
out war? Even the Nazi Germany re-christened Deutschland in fear
of having it sunk. Yamato was another ship whose name had
perhaps too much symbolic value. I have no doubt that some
would cheer the sinking of a ship bearing the name of their
leader, but losing one bearing the name of their country...

Timo Saloniemi

Alexander Lum

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Nov 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/16/95
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In article <4870db$8...@nntp.hut.fi>, tsal...@vipunen.hut.fi (Timo S
Saloniemi) wrote:

> Er.. actually, full names are never used in Trek. See for example Brattain
> (Or Brittain) and not Walther M. Brattain, Tsilokovsky and not Konstantin I.
> Tsilokovsky, Oberth and not Hermann Oberth...

Not so, there was a USS Thomas Paine (NCC-65530) in the TNG story
"Conspiracy". There's also the USS Crazy Horse, but I'm not sure if that
counts as a full name (although it sounds much better than USS Crazy or
USS Horse!).

-- Alex.

Larry Smith

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Nov 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/17/95
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In article <48f1i7$i...@nntp.hut.fi>, tsal...@vipunen.hut.fi (Timo S Saloniemi) writes:
>In article <487orb$k...@hydraulix.bangor.ac.uk> ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Mr N Brodt-Savage) writes:

>> You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ??????

>I'm afraid I'm not joking. USS Ronnie is a CVN in the early building

>phase - I think it will be CVN-76 or something like that, but my
>memory is really hazy and my source material is far away.

I think it's a misrecollection. I'm pretty sure you need to be
physically dead, not just mentally dead, to have a ship named
after you. Like stamps.
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than the evil deed itself. The justification of a past crime is the planting
and cultivation of future crimes. -- Eric Hoffer Digital Unix: 64 bit _now_.

Andrew Madison

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Larry Smith (lar...@enemax.zk3.dec.com) wrote:

: In article <48f1i7$i...@nntp.hut.fi>, tsal...@vipunen.hut.fi (Timo S Saloniemi) writes:
: >In article <487orb$k...@hydraulix.bangor.ac.uk> ug2...@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Mr N Brodt-Savage) writes:

: >> You ARE joking aren't you ? USS Ronald Reagan ? ??????

: >I'm afraid I'm not joking. USS Ronnie is a CVN in the early building
: >phase - I think it will be CVN-76 or something like that, but my
: >memory is really hazy and my source material is far away.

: I think it's a misrecollection. I'm pretty sure you need to be
: physically dead, not just mentally dead, to have a ship named
: after you. Like stamps.


No, its real. There was a ceremony, and either the Secretary of the
Defense, or the top Navy guy, stated he had phoned Nancy to tell her of
the decision. However, the USS Ronald Reagan won't be christened anytime
soon. I'm not even sure the keel has been laid on this one. Meanwhile
I believe that the amount of time left for Ronnie is fairly finite.

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