Benzite in "The Ship"
Charlie Tyson
How come the Benzite on the runabout in "The Ship" doesn't have the
breathing apparatus we saw in TNG. It used to be a small gas producing thing on
their chest. In "Apocalypse Rising" a Klingon referred to a Benzite captain with a
breathing tube, but I didn't see one of those either.
Penner
In article <3261B4...@interpath.com>, Charlie Tyson
<ncs...@interpath.com> wrote:
It's been a long time since the first season of TNG. You can bet that
Benzite and other scientists have been working on a way for Benzite
officers to interface more efficiently with the rest of Starfleet. At
this point, it's probably pills or an injection that adapts them to a
Class M environment.
=|8^] Penner
pen...@i-2000.com
Leonard Kirk
Charlie Tyson wrote:
>
> How come the Benzite on the runabout in "The Ship" doesn't have the
> breathing apparatus we saw in TNG. It used to be a small gas producing thing on
> their chest. In "Apocalypse Rising" a Klingon referred to a Benzite captain with a
> breathing tube, but I didn't see one of those either.
I was bothered by this as well.
However, the captain referred to in Apocalypse Rising was a Benzonite, not a Benzite.
Of course, it's a strange coincidence that both species would require breathing
apparatus.
Besides, he couldn't have been a Benzite if he attended the academy with Sisko.
Mordoc was the first Benzite in Starfleet according to the first season TNG episode
Coming of Age. (there was another Benzite officer who appeared in the second season
wearing a Starfleet uniform called Mendon however, he was only part of a temporary
officer exchange program and may have only worn the starfleet uniform as a courtesy)
Which begs the question, was this Benzite in The Ship, Mordoc?? The first Benzite in
Starfleet and he gets blown up while still an ensign?
Oh well, serves him right for wearing the red uniform.
LJK
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In article <3261B4...@interpath.com>, Charlie Tyson <ncs...@interpath.com> writes:
> How come the Benzite on the runabout in "The Ship" doesn't have the
> breathing apparatus we saw in TNG. It used to be a small gas producing thing on
> their chest. In "Apocalypse Rising" a Klingon referred to a Benzite captain with a
> breathing tube, but I didn't see one of those either.
>
>
Perhaps female Benzites don't need the tube.
Ceth Eslick
Leonard Kirk <hron...@vaxxine.com> wrote in article
> Of course, it's a strange coincidence that both species would require
breathing
> apparatus.
Unless they both happen to breath Benzene (Benzenite, Benzite).
David E. Sluss
This is just a thought, but who said Ens. Hoya was a Benzite? Sure,
she looked like a Benzite, but how many times have we seen alien races
that look exactly like humans, often without even funny noses or foreheads?
Similarly, there could be races all over the galaxy who look just like
Benzites, and some of them might breathe oxygen :)
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Charlie Tyson
David Yee wrote:
>
>>
> >How come the Benzite on the runabout in "The Ship" doesn't have the
> >breathing apparatus we saw in TNG.
>
>
> 1) The Benzite on the runabout was female (as far as I could tell under
> all that makeup) and only the males need em.
>
> 2) They've learned to surgically implant the devices into their bodies.
>
> 3) The prop dept forgot.
>
> Dave
>
>
Maybe the Benzite was half or 1/4 human or some other oxygen
breathing race. They never said she was a full blooded Benzite.
BTW - Don't Benzites Look COOL!!!
Adam
Johnny Lamar Rhyne
In <540jtc$9...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> dy...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (David Yee)
writes:
>
>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>>How come the Benzite on the runabout in "The Ship" doesn't have the
>>breathing apparatus we saw in TNG.
>
>Well, until we get a cannon explanation, I'm going to push for either:
>
>1) The Benzite on the runabout was female (as far as I could tell
under
> all that makeup) and only the males need em.
>
>2) They've learned to surgically implant the devices into their
bodies.
>
>3) The prop dept forgot.
Most likely it is number 3.
Richard Dietlein
Looked like a Benzite to me.
--Karen
Bamfer
David E. Sluss (sl...@vms.cis.pitt.edu) wrote:
: This is just a thought, but who said Ens. Hoya was a Benzite? Sure,
: she looked like a Benzite, but how many times have we seen alien races
: that look exactly like humans, often without even funny noses or foreheads?
: Similarly, there could be races all over the galaxy who look just like
: Benzites, and some of them might breathe oxygen :)
I was wondering about that, too. As you say, it could be a related race
(afterall, after so many races looking like humans with human complexions,
who's to say that you can't have another species that looks sort of like
Benzites?).
In the first show of the season, a Klingon warrior was recalling ripping
the breathing apparatus off of a Benzite Starfleet officer and cutting
his throat, so presumably, Benzites still have this breathing apparatus.
Sonja
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Ian McIntire
dy...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (David Yee) wrote:
>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>>How come the Benzite on the runabout in "The Ship" doesn't have the
>>breathing apparatus we saw in TNG.
>
>Well, until we get a cannon explanation, I'm going to push for either:
>
>1) The Benzite on the runabout was female (as far as I could tell under
> all that makeup) and only the males need em.
>
>2) They've learned to surgically implant the devices into their bodies.
>
>3) The prop dept forgot.
Or 4) The atmosphere on the runabout contained the necessary gases for
Benzite survival on its own, and a breathing apparatus was unecessary.
5) It wasn't a Benzite, it just looked like one.
Ian McIntire i...@cwru.edu
Johnny Lamar Rhyne
In <3265BF...@concentric.net> Richard Dietlein
<rd...@concentric.net> writes:
>David E. Sluss wrote:
>>
>> This is just a thought, but who said Ens. Hoya was a Benzite? Sure,
>> she looked like a Benzite, but how many times have we seen alien
races
>> that look exactly like humans, often without even funny noses or
foreheads?
>> Similarly, there could be races all over the galaxy who look just
like
>> Benzites, and some of them might breathe oxygen :)
>Looked like a Benzite to me.
To me, the Lt. looked liked a giantcatfish that could fly a starship,
speak english, and walk erect. Though it my be( I have never seen a
Benzite before)
David E. Sluss
David E. Sluss <sl...@vms.cis.pitt.edu> wrote:
DES>This is just a thought, but who said Ens. Hoya was a Benzite? Sure,
DES>she looked like a Benzite, but how many times have we seen alien races
DES>that look exactly like humans, often without even funny noses or foreheads?
DES>Similarly, there could be races all over the galaxy who look just like
DES>Benzites, and some of them might breathe oxygen :)
Richard Dietlein <rd...@concentric.net> replied:
RD>Looked like a Benzite to me.
Yes, well, that was my point. Given Star Trek history, it's just as
reasonable to have other species that look exactly like Benzites as it
is to have species that look exactly like humans.
John D Cholewa
Charlie Tyson (ncs...@interpath.com) wrote:
: David Yee wrote:
: >
: >>
: > >How come the Benzite on the runabout in "The Ship" doesn't have the
: > >breathing apparatus we saw in TNG.
: >
: > Well, until we get a cannon explanation, I'm going to push for either:
: >
: > 1) The Benzite on the runabout was female (as far as I could tell under
: > all that makeup) and only the males need em.
: >
: > 2) They've learned to surgically implant the devices into their bodies.
: >
: > 3) The prop dept forgot.
: >
: Maybe the Benzite was half or 1/4 human or some other oxygen
: breathing race. They never said she was a full blooded Benzite.
: BTW - Don't Benzites Look COOL!!!
Did they actually state she was a Benzite? I got the impression she was
only a Benzoid (y'know, like "Humanoid" or "Vulcanoid" races).
-JC
Timo S Saloniemi
In article <3261D3...@vaxxine.com> Leonard Kirk <hron...@vaxxine.com> writes:
>Charlie Tyson wrote:
>>
>> How come the Benzite on the runabout in "The Ship" doesn't have the
>> breathing apparatus we saw in TNG.
>
Perhaps a technology advance, like an internal breather, or a hypospray
shot of the Benzite equivalent of Tri-Ox every six hours?
>However, the captain referred to in Apocalypse Rising was a Benzonite,
>not a Benzite. Of course, it's a strange coincidence that both species
>would require breathing apparatus.
It might be that Benzites and Benzonites are just like Vulcanians and
Vulcans - the universal translator has had more time to analyze the
language of the species, and has decided that the latter translation
of the species name is more accurate, and to be used in the future.
>Besides, he couldn't have been a Benzite if he attended the academy
>with Sisko. Mordoc was the first Benzite in Starfleet according to
>the first season TNG episode Coming of Age. (there was another Benzite
>officer who appeared in the second season wearing a Starfleet uniform
>called Mendon however, he was only part of a temporary officer exchange
>program and may have only worn the starfleet uniform as a courtesy)
I haven't seen the episode yet, but it might well be that the Captain
in question attended the Academy not while Sisko was a Cadet, but while
Sisko was a Lt.Cmdr or so and doing some extra studies to become
a Cmdr. The Benzite would be holding the rank of Commander or equivalent
in the Benzite navy, and would be attending Starfleet Academy courses
so that his rank could be accepted in Starfleet as well.
Such continuation training would clearly be needed for new members
of member candidates for the UFP. One can hardly assume that a
Benzite Commander or Captain would attend the Academy as a Cadet -
he/she/it is more likely to get immediate "promotion" to acceptable
equivalent rank.
>Which begs the question, was this Benzite in The Ship, Mordoc?? The
>first Benzite in Starfleet and he gets blown up while still an ensign?
Or a Lieutenant. Cadet in 2364, Ensign in 2368, Lt.(j.g.) in
2370, Lt(s.g.) in 2373... a career similar to the other "alien
cadet" we have followed - Mr Worf.
What would Sisko have been doing with Cadet Mordoc, though? Acting
as his instructor? Sisko should have been a Lt.Cmdr in early TNG
era.
Timo Saloniemi
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Robert Oliver
> >Which begs the question, was this Benzite in The Ship, Mordoc?? The
> >first Benzite in Starfleet and he gets blown up while still an ensign?
>
> Or a Lieutenant. Cadet in 2364, Ensign in 2368, Lt.(j.g.) in
> 2370, Lt(s.g.) in 2373... a career similar to the other "alien
> cadet" we have followed - Mr Worf.
>
> What would Sisko have been doing with Cadet Mordoc, though? Acting
> as his instructor? Sisko should have been a Lt.Cmdr in early TNG
> era.
There is no need to puzzle over this:
Laporin
RANK/POSITION: Captain, vessel unidentified
RACE/SEX: Benzenite male
Laporin was a classmate of Benjamin Sisko at Starfleet Academy in the
2350’s. In 2373 Laporin was killed when his vessel was boarded by
Klingons, who had recently started a war with the Federation after
making claim to the Archanis Sector. Laporin fought well against the
Klingon who attacked him, but was killed when the Klingon ripped the
breathing tubes from his head. [DS9] “Apocalypse Rising” (AR)
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David E. Sluss
David E. Sluss (sl...@vms.cis.pitt.edu) wrote:
DES>This is just a thought, but who said Ens. Hoya was a Benzite? Sure,
DES>she looked like a Benzite, but how many times have we seen alien races
DES>that look exactly like humans, often without even funny noses or foreheads?
DES>Similarly, there could be races all over the galaxy who look just like
DES>Benzites, and some of them might breathe oxygen :)
Ba>In the first show of the season, a Klingon warrior was recalling ripping
Ba>the breathing apparatus off of a Benzite Starfleet officer and cutting
Ba>his throat, so presumably, Benzites still have this breathing apparatus.
The Klingon refered to that captain as a Benzenite. The extra syllable
could be a writer's error of course, but it could be a different species,
possibly similar to the Benzites.