Was James T Kirk ever married
Magnus Malmsten
And if they where not, how does the configuration feel about it ??
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>James T Kirk has a son, and a mother for his son. But where they ever married
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>And if they where not, how does the configuration feel about it ??
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No, Kirk was never married to the mother of his son. As for how I feel
about it, it is unfortunate that Kirk and son knew so little of each other,
but morally I don't care. I do find it amusing that by the twenty-third
century, they still haven't solved the birth control problem. The only other
explanation for David's arrival (i.e., other than by "accident") is that he
was planned by the mother and I find the thought that women of that time
would still find it acceptable to steal a man's sperm for the purpose of
procreation more reprehensible than the thought that people are still
"doing it" without a thought to the consequences -- and not just people,
Starfleet's best and brightest!
In summary, if David was conceived out of wedlock but with the mutual consent
and forethought of both parents, fine. If he was conceived by accident,
that's stupid. If he was conceived on purpose by the mother without Kirk's
consent, that's rude.
As an aside, in the novelisation of STI, Kirk had been married but he chose
not to renew the marriage contract when it expired. If you recall, two
people were beamed on board but died due to a malfunction of the transporter.
One of those was supposedly Kirk's ex-wife (the other was to be the new
science officer).
Karen
Droo the Ponderer
mag...@mits.mdata.fi (Magnus Malmsten) writes:
>James T Kirk has a son, and a mother for his son. But where they ever married ?
Good God, no! Mother-son marriages are still illegal in the 23rd
century!
>And if they where not, how does the configuration feel about it ??
Relieved. I mean, can you see Carol and David doing the proverbial
nasty? Eeeeeeeew...
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Daniel Gray
James Kirk was never married to Carol Marcus, if that is what you
are asking. He WAS married to a Vice-Admiral Lori Ciana according to the novel version of STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE(I
believe this marriage is also mentioned in the trek novels THE LOST YEARS
and A FLAG FULL OF STARS). In the ST:TMP book, Kirk says something like he
didn't want to renew the marriage contract, whatever that may mean.
According to A FLAG FULL OF STARS, Ciana left him(and presumably divorced
him). Vice-Admiral Ciana was one of the two people killed in the
transporter accident in ST:TMP(the other was Lt.Commander Sumak, the new
science officer). The transporter incident takes place in both the book and
the film. I'm not sure if THE LOST YEARS & A FLAG FULL OF STARS are canon,
but I'm sure the ST:TMP novel is, as it was written by Roddenberry. Hope
this helps.
Dan Gray
Kate Orman
>No, Kirk was never married to the mother of his son. As for how I feel
>about it, it is unfortunate that Kirk and son knew so little of each other,
>but morally I don't care. I do find it amusing that by the twenty-third
>century, they still haven't solved the birth control problem. The only other
You mean Dan Quayle is running the twenty-third century, and single
mothers are *still* not allowed?
>explanation for David's arrival (i.e., other than by "accident") is that he
>was planned by the mother and I find the thought that women of that time
>would still find it acceptable to steal a man's sperm for the purpose of
>procreation more reprehensible than the thought that people are still
Steal? Steal? I thought men were keen to *give* it away...
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Dave Schaumann
>James T Kirk has a son, and a mother for his son.
You do get that impression when you watch the movies, don't you?
>But where they ever married ?
Unknown.
>And if they where not, how does the configuration feel about it ??
What "configuration"? My opinion is that seeing as how Kirk & co.
are NOT REAL PEOPLE (sorry to shout, but sometimes people seem to
forget), and seeing as how THEY'RE NOT REAL PEOPLE, you can't really
talk with any authority about events we've never seen or heard
mentioned.
Bottom line: since THEY'RE NOT REAL PEOPLE, I'll have an opinion on
Kirk's marital status when I read a book or see an episode/movie
about it. 'Til then, I'll just keep remembering that THEY'RE NOT
REAL PEOPLE.
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David Wilson
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> James T Kirk has a son, and a mother for his son. But where they ever
married ?
While he never married Carol whatshername, the Kirk character was
"married" to an aboriginal type (named phonetically Meramanee?) in an
episode where a machine causes him to lose his memory. The woman becomes
pregnant, but Spock and McCoy retrieve Kirk, activate the machine that
caused Kirk's amnesia, the machine pushes a heavenly body to one side and
saves the aboriginals from destruction, but not before the aboriginals
stone Kirk's wife to death.
Perry Reed
> are asking. He WAS married to a Vice-Admiral Lori Ciana according to the novel version of STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE(I
> believe this marriage is also mentioned in the trek novels THE LOST YEARS
> and A FLAG FULL OF STARS). In the ST:TMP book, Kirk says something like he
> didn't want to renew the marriage contract, whatever that may mean.
> According to A FLAG FULL OF STARS, Ciana left him(and presumably divorced
> him). Vice-Admiral Ciana was one of the two people killed in the
> transporter accident in ST:TMP(the other was Lt.Commander Sumak, the new
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I think his name was Sonak...
Also, wasn't Kirk married to the "Indian" babe in one of the TOS
episodes? I don't remember the episode title, but she died at the end.
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from Roddenberry's vision that marriage in the 23rd century would be largely
secular, and while people certainly would still marry for love, by that time,
any notion that it would be for life was largely ceremonial and sentimental.
More realistically, the option existed to enter into a marriage with a term
contract. If the marriage was not working out, then at contract renewal
time, both parties could easily go their separate ways.
Mark Frazier
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: Kirk saying that he did not want to renew the marriage contract comes
I think Roddenberry must have stole that idea from Arthur C. Clark in
"Childhood's End".
Dan Hartung
Rather an interesting view, in light of his, um, practical applications
of it ... as revealed by Nichelle Nichols. ;-)
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> Yes your right in Paradise he was married and she was with child and
> they were stoned and she died.
