Duras Sisters' Cleavage
dem...@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
people are probably sick to the teeth of discussion of sexist wardrobe (a
la Troi). But I had to laugh when I saw these ARMOR-LIKE outfits on the
Duras sisters with openings to show their (rather substantial) cleavage.
Would the women of a warrior race really wear clothing that gave such easy
access to their hearts? (I guess this assumes that their hearts are in the
same place as ours!)
Renee
YAN...@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu
women in TOS and TNG, but I'd rather not.
I would like to ask anyone out on the net why in formal balls and parties,
the men wear tuxedos which cover themselves up in 5 or 6 layers, while the
women usually wear dresses which reveals as much as politely possible.
(or even unpolitely... :-) )
(Not that I'm complaining... From a male sexist esthetic point of view, I
would just as well prefer that many of those women wear less... :-) )
(L'Ursa and B'Tor are women from a Klingon race, agreed; but are they
themselves warriers?)
Also, I would like to ask what is the formal function of a necktie
anyway? Whenever I tie one on me (which is as few a times as possible,)
I always feel like I'm tying an hangman's noose around myself and offering
myself to whomever comes up as an executionee.
Junsok Yang
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TNG episode where Worf couldn't walk cuz of a spine injury, and
Dr. Crusher said that all Klingons have duplicates of their major organs.
BC
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Michael Olin
This is not intended to sound sexist, although it may come across as
such... What evidence do we have that ANY Klingon women ever concern
themselves with physical warring? From what I've seen, the Klingons
tend to treat their women as sex objects and little more, and the
upstart Duras sisters are breaking the mold.
With the exception of K'lar, Worf's now-dead wife, I don't recall
EVER seeing Klingon women playing any other role except that of
the object of sexual behaviour. For that matter, wasn't K'lar 1/2
human?
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>Duras sisters with openings to show their (rather substantial) cleavage.
If you remember them in Redemption, they were attempting to seduce Picard.
I believe they probably still wear the outfits they do in order to attempt
to use seductive wiles as well as other means to get whatever they are
after at the time.
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Well don't Klingons have redundant organs? two of each?
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Dave Lister
>
>With the exception of K'lar, Worf's now-dead wife, I don't recall
>EVER seeing Klingon women playing any other role except that of
>the object of sexual behaviour. For that matter, wasn't K'lar 1/2
>human?
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I know it's from the movies but I don't think Azebetur was having
sex when she took over for her father as head of the Klingon high
council. :)
Dave Lister
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Dave Litchman
>
>>After serious consideration I've decided to post this anyway (knowing that
>>people are probably sick to the teeth of discussion of sexist wardrobe (a
>>la Troi). But I had to laugh when I saw these ARMOR-LIKE outfits on the
>>Duras sisters with openings to show their (rather substantial) cleavage.
>>Would the women of a warrior race really wear clothing that gave such easy
>>access to their hearts? (I guess this assumes that their hearts are in the
>>same place as ours!)
>
>This is not intended to sound sexist, although it may come across as
>such... What evidence do we have that ANY Klingon women ever concern
>themselves with physical warring? From what I've seen, the Klingons
>tend to treat their women as sex objects and little more, and the
>upstart Duras sisters are breaking the mold.
I disagree. Of all Klingon women portrayed on TNG, I haven't seen one that
was specifically a sex object. There's Lursa and B'etor, who were only
breaking the mold in that, previous to Redemption, no females were allowed
on the council. Doesn't mean they can't be warriors. In... oh... what's it
called... the one where Riker becomes first officer on a Klingon Bird of
Prey... you know the one... anyway, in that episode, there were women on
board. I highly doubt that a BOP has room aboard for passengers who are
not crewmembers. Seems to me that nothing we've seen on screen precludes
Klingon women from being warriors.
>
>With the exception of K'lar, Worf's now-dead wife, I don't recall
>EVER seeing Klingon women playing any other role except that of
>the object of sexual behaviour. For that matter, wasn't K'lar 1/2
>human?
She was, but if you recall, she said that all (or, at least most) of her
aggressive tendencies came from her Klingon heritage.
Followups set to r.a.s.misc.
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>
>In article <1993Jan17....@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
>dem...@cgrg.ohio-state.edu writes:
>
>>
>>After serious consideration I've decided to post this anyway (knowing that
>>people are probably sick to the teeth of discussion of sexist wardrobe (a
>>la Troi). But I had to laugh when I saw these ARMOR-LIKE outfits on the
>>Duras sisters with openings to show their (rather substantial) cleavage.
>>Would the women of a warrior race really wear clothing that gave such easy
>>access to their hearts? (I guess this assumes that their hearts are in the
>>same place as ours!)
>> Renee
>>
>
> I guess I can go on and on about various clothing we've seen on Klingon
>women in TOS and TNG, but I'd rather not.
> I would like to ask anyone out on the net why in formal balls and parties,
>the men wear tuxedos which cover themselves up in 5 or 6 layers, while the
>women usually wear dresses which reveals as much as politely possible.
>(or even unpolitely... :-) )
>(Not that I'm complaining... From a male sexist esthetic point of view, I
>would just as well prefer that many of those women wear less... :-) )
>(L'Ursa and B'Tor are women from a Klingon race, agreed; but are they
>themselves warriers?)
> Also, I would like to ask what is the formal function of a necktie
>anyway? Whenever I tie one on me (which is as few a times as possible,)
>I always feel like I'm tying an hangman's noose around myself and offering
>myself to whomever comes up as an executionee.
>
Traditionaly, the necktie was used as something to wipe your face with
while eating. It has since evolved into a non-functional part of the
male wardrobe.
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|> In article <16B59DDC...@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, YAN...@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu says:
|>>
|>> Also, I would like to ask what is the formal function of a necktie
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> while eating.
Huh, that's not what I heard.
The necktie was suppose to hide the area where the shirt comes together
to coverup stuff like pins, stiching, or mismatched/broken buttons.
More trivia:
Why do women's shirts button on the oppsite side from men's?
Because a proper "Lady" was not suppose to dress herself so, by
switching the buttons to the other side, it was easier for her
servant to do the buttoning.
I think all of this can be found in a book that has a title
something like WHY CLOCKS RUN CLOCKWISE.
Travis
Jorge DeLaCruz
>In article <1jd2ni...@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mo...@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
>>
>>With the exception of K'lar, Worf's now-dead wife, I don't recall
>>EVER seeing Klingon women playing any other role except that of
>>the object of sexual behaviour. For that matter, wasn't K'lar 1/2
>>human?
>>--
Yes her mother was Irish, tough enough to handle a Klingon Male (not a
quote).
Jorge
Michael A. Chary
In the original series episode where the Enterprise is forced
to fight a group of Klingons. The science officer of the Klingon
ship is a woman. And the Captain's wife.
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Yuanhui Liu
female klingons wore their armor this way so that their enemy would stick
out their neck to get a better view of the Klingon cleavage, while
their eyes are fixed, the male klingons would circle around
and chop off their enemy's head. :-)
but now wearing armor or not, phasers can vaporize any Klingon,
human, etc, and the klingon armor became a fashion statements. ;->
Edward V. Wright
> The necktie was suppose to hide the area where the shirt comes together
> to coverup stuff like pins, stiching, or mismatched/broken buttons.
Yes, Igor, to cover up the stitching!
Val Kartchner
: I think Klingons are supposed to have two hearts: there was a
: TNG episode where Worf couldn't walk cuz of a spine injury, and
: Dr. Crusher said that all Klingons have duplicates of their major organs.
Premises:
1) (Non-deformed) Klingons have duplicates of all major organs.
2) The central nervous system is a MAJOR organ in a Klingon.
(Worf was willing to die rather than do without it.)
3) Worf is a Klingon.
Conclusion:
Worf is a deformed Klingon.
If this is not true, then one of the premises is untrue. Given that Worf
is a Klingon, then at least one of the other two are incorrect. I vote
for both of them being incorrect. ;-)
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Rob Harrington
>
> Premises:
> 1) (Non-deformed) Klingons have duplicates of all major organs.
if I remember correctly Klingongs have duplicates of MOST major
organs. Does Worf have two brains?
> 2) The central nervous system is a MAJOR organ in a Klingon.
> (Worf was willing to die rather than do without it.)
Your premise here is wrong... the central nervous system is a sytem not
an organ. A system is defined as a group of organs working together to
provide a basic need. Like the cardo-respitory system, using the heart,
lungs and blood vessels, but it is not an organ itself. The central
nervous system is (at least in humans) the brain, spinal cord, and nerves.
so if you went on the premise that the spinal cord was cut, then it is easy
to assume the the duplicate would be right next to it, sees as how Klingons
don't have two backbones. from that since the spinal cord next to it was
cut then couldn't the duplicate be cut also? This is all assuming that
the is indeed a duplicate spinal cord...
> 3) Worf is a Klingon.
>
> Conclusion:
> Worf is a deformed Klingon.
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> I think Klingons are supposed to have two hearts: there was a
> TNG episode where Worf couldn't walk cuz of a spine injury, and
> Dr. Crusher said that all Klingons have duplicates of their major organs.
Is that why the Duras sisters have to show twice as much cleavage as their
human counterparts? :)
Gunthar
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In a previous article, YAN...@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu () says:
> Also, I would like to ask what is the formal function of a necktie
>anyway? Whenever I tie one on me (which is as few a times as possible,)
>I always feel like I'm tying an hangman's noose around myself and offering
>myself to whomever comes up as an executionee.
Many of you are going to think this far-fetched, but I have it on
excellent authority -- Paul Harvey's. :-)
Apparently the tradition of wearing ties comes from Croatia,
albeit in a pretty twisted manner. Seems a French emissary had
gone to Croatia to find out why the Croatian army was kicking
everyone else's ass. At first it seemed like it was just a
question of their morale being several levels higher than anyone
else's. But then the emissary heard a rumor that the Croats had
magic armor. When he went to check it out, it turned out to be a
superstition -- the Croat soldiers believed that tying cloths
around their necks afforded them some sort of supernatural
protection.
This is where my memory fuzzes out. I know the emissary brought
the tradition back to France, though whether he did so as a
military technique or because he just thought it looked cool
escapes me at the moment. In any case, the thing was named a
cravat -- the French word for "Croatian" (the Croatian word for
"Croatian" being "Hrvatski") -- and eventually people wore thinner
ones, stopped tucking the ends inside their shirts, and started
calling them neckties.
Hey, you wanted to know, and this is the best explanation I've
ever heard -- if not the most factual (though I believe it is), at
least the most interesting. :-)
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with is not QUITE the same as a necktie, but is obviously an inter-
mediate form. The derevation of "cravat" from "croatian" is not
impossible. By the way, the Spanish word for "necktie" is "la corbata."
eric leander gorr
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