New theme music for DS9!
Daniel Savad
complete change in premise of DS9, there is going to be a new opening
and a new theme score! Can anybody confirm/deny it? I always thought
that the theme was lacking in some quality or another. The new one is
supposed to be more upbeat.
FordaT
Your about half right, Dennis McCarthy is going to record a new version of
his Emmy Award winning Main Title Theme to fit the new title sequence that
reflects the various changes in the show. He hopes to add a more uptempo
feel and a bit more Energy to it, this is something he's wanted to do
since the end of the first season.
I'll keep you posted when I hear something.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Franklin Hummel
>Your about half right, Dennis McCarthy is going to record a new version of
>his Emmy Award winning Main Title Theme to fit the new title sequence that
>reflects the various changes in the show. He hopes to add a more uptempo
>feel and a bit more Energy to it, this is something he's wanted to do
>since the end of the first season.
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: Your about half right, Dennis McCarthy is going to record a new version of
: his Emmy Award winning Main Title Theme to fit the new title sequence that
: feel and a bit more Energy to it, this is something he's wanted to do
: since the end of the first season.
Oh god! I can't help but think of the way the "Quantum Leap" theme was
butchered when the 'uptempoed' it for the last season.
CRACKERS
(I like the DS-9 theme from hell!!!)
Imperial God
I've heard about the new opening sequence, which I think is OK, because
they need to include the Defiant in the opening. Plus, have you ever
noticed that in the current one, the wormhole opens without anything
entering or exiting it. that's not supposed to happen.
As for the theme music, I think it is really cool. Much better than
TNG's yippy-skippy theme music. DS9's is serious and strong. Besides,
didn't Dennis McCarthy win and Emmy for the theme?
On 4 Aug 1995, Daniel Savad wrote:
> I just heard on the rec.music.movies conference that along with the
> complete change in premise of DS9, there is going to be a new opening
> and a new theme score! Can anybody confirm/deny it? I always thought
> that the theme was lacking in some quality or another. The new one is
> supposed to be more upbeat.
>
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> Gee, just like BABYLON 5 does each season.
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Excuse me. Were we talking to you? Were we talking about Flab 5? I don't
think so! If we wanted to talk about that show, we would. We don't. So
shut the hell up.
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tim roy
>In article <3vu7fh$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, for...@aol.com says...
>>
>>Your about half right, Dennis McCarthy is going to record a new version
>of
>>his Emmy Award winning Main Title Theme to fit the new title sequence
>that
>>reflects the various changes in the show. He hopes to add a more uptempo
>>feel and a bit more Energy to it, this is something he's wanted to do
>>since the end of the first season.
>Good idea, I also hope it's shorter, closer to 1:30. I think new visuals
>would be nice too.
Something showing the Defiant would be nice. The runabouts were a lame
idea from day one. I wouldn't get your hopes up. What I really hate is
that the show runs the same old exterior shots (with no ships docked) EVERY
WEEK, even when we know there are several ships docked there. Once in a
great while (because they had to develop the shot for the pilot) they could
show a Galaxy class ship docked there.
FordaT
> Gee, just like BABYLON 5 does each season.
>
>
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:Excuse me. Were we talking to you?
I know I wasn't.
:Were we talking about Flab 5?
Not that I recall.
:I don't think so! If we wanted to talk about that show, we would. We
:don't. So shut the hell up.
Well put....
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
FordaT
>As for the theme music, I think it is really cool. Much better than
>TNG's yippy-skippy theme music. DS9's is serious and strong. Besides,
>didn't Dennis McCarthy win and Emmy for the theme?
As a matter of fact he did.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Robert Jason Todd Engel
to change (only add Dorn's name). I really like the music as
well and would be against a more "upbeat" theme. I wouldn't be
against a new opening but this has only been done once before in
the ST universe (slight changes to TNG opening, I think between
year 1&2
"Dang it Jim I'm a doctor not a typist"
Fleet Admiral Engel
Jimmie J McCoy
says...
> Something showing the Defiant would be nice. The runabouts were a
lame
>idea from day one. I wouldn't get your hopes up. What I really hate is
>that the show runs the same old exterior shots (with no ships docked)
EVERY
>WEEK, even when we know there are several ships docked there. Once in a
>great while (because they had to develop the shot for the pilot) they
could
>show a Galaxy class ship docked there.
>
station, conveniently out of sight until they want to go somewhere, and
we see the Same 'ol undocking shot. They need a couple alternate shots.
Add to the Defiant's stock footage inventory. TREVOR
the_spamster
>
> I've heard about the new opening sequence, which I think is OK, because
> they need to include the Defiant in the opening. Plus, have you ever
> noticed that in the current one, the wormhole opens without anything
> entering or exiting it. that's not supposed to happen.
>
> TNG's yippy-skippy theme music. DS9's is serious and strong. Besides,
> didn't Dennis McCarthy win and Emmy for the theme?
>
>
> > I just heard on the rec.music.movies conference that along with the
> > complete change in premise of DS9, there is going to be a new opening
> > and a new theme score! Can anybody confirm/deny it? I always thought
> > that the theme was lacking in some quality or another. The new one is
> > supposed to be more upbeat.
> >
> >
> >
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of TNG I hoped for a new opening sequence to go with it, but that didn't happen till 5 (it was only the TNG title
but I liked it. They took it off season 6).
-The Spamster
PS- I agree with you on TNG's music. It was stolen from ST: TMP.
FordaT
>PS- I agree with you on TNG's music. It was stolen from ST: TMP.
You are incorrect!!
The themes to both the original series and ST-TMP are owned by PARAMOUNT's
Music Publishing arm and were reused with their permission and at the
direct request of Gene Roddenberry.
Royalties are being payed to both Alexander Courage and Jerry Goldsmith
for the use and performance of these themes.
As a matter of fact they make a shit load of money off of them.
Nothing was "Stolen".
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
John A. Kilpatrick
>:I don't think so! If we wanted to talk about that show, we would. We
>:don't. So shut the hell up.
>Well put....
Glad you think so. So be true to yourself - and stay out of the B5 group, ne?
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FordaT
>:I don't think so! If we wanted to talk about that show, we would. We
>:don't. So shut the hell up.
>Well put....
:Glad you think so. So be true to yourself - and stay out of the B5
group, :ne?
More then happy to, but will the B5 stop crossposting to the TREK groups
and rec.arts.sf.tv?
If they would do that, live I think would be happier for both sides.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Jimmie J McCoy
>>complete change in premise of DS9, there is going to be a new opening
>>and a new theme score! Can anybody confirm/deny it? I always thought
>>that the theme was lacking in some quality or another. The new one is
>>supposed to be more upbeat.
>
Franklin Hummel
>>>Frank Hummel wrote:
>>> Gee, just like BABYLON 5 does each season.
>
Well then, FordaT, I guess DS9's composer didn't get it right
either, since he's changing it now. Gee, and it took DS9's producers -3
years- to realize it wasn't right.
Folks, ignoring FordaT's pettiness, there was a serious reason why
I pointed out that DS9's changing its opening is something that BABYLON 5
has been doing for years now. (No, my comment wasn't a troll.) This is
because I think STAR TREK's producers finally are aware BABYLON 5 is a
-serious- challenge to them.
DS9 is susposedly changing its opening music (and its open visual
sequence as well, I think) to better reflect the changes taking place
within the series. That's something BABYLON 5 has done since its
beginning. (Note that in 7 years, except for a one-time slight visual
change, THE NEXT GENERATION's opening remained the same. And DS9's
opening remained the same for its * first 3 years *. Why change now?)
Someone posted in the rec.B5 group the other day some quotes of
Jerri Taylor, VOYAGER's producer, answering questions as to why STAR
TREK doesn't do story arcs (or does them badly). -Story arc-? Gee,
sounds like BABYLON 5.
And now TREK production staff who for years were claiming how much
better models were over computer-graphics, are now introducing CGI into ST.
And, golly gosh, after fooling around and dropping the story ball
a number of times with the "Federation Goes to War Against XXXX" for a
number of years now, it seems (but there have been promises before!) in DS9
they might (we will have to wait to see!) actually do it. Of course, in
BBAYLON 5, the Great War has been slowly but surely been building since
season one, and now hits full-force in its upcoming 3rd season.
There are a number of changes happening in TREK now. The change
in DS9's opening, the use of CGI over models, the hiring of Michael Dorn to
play "Worf" once again, serious-sounding promises that the TREK universe
is actually going to be shaken up, etc. etc. Some minor, some major.
Why now? Why after * 3 YEARS * of the same-old thing is DS9
changing so much??? It's coasted along as the syndicated number-one
dramatic series during that time. Why shake up the formula and the
franchise?
Looking at the changes coming, there are obvious, obvious
similarities to what BABYLON 5 has been and is doing. And I think this
is because TREK's producers have decided that BABYLON 5 is actually a
threat to the ST franchise.
But even in these changes in STAR TREK, I've got to express my
lack of hope. Most of these changes are variations of what B5 is doing.
Even in these changes, there still seems to be present the "recycling" of
the style and ideas and stories of others. Again, there seems to be a
absence of -creativity-, of * originality * which has often been lacking
in STAR TREK for a number of years now.
Even with all these changes, all STAR TREK seems to be doing is
copying once again.
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Franklin Hummel
(Gharlane of Eddore) writes:
>Franklin Hummel (hum...@netcom.com) wrote:
>> In <3vu7fh$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> for...@aol.com (FordaT) writes:
>> > Your about half right, Dennis McCarthy is going to record a new version of
>> > his Emmy Award winning Main Title Theme to fit the new title sequence that
>> > reflects the various changes in the show. He hopes to add a more uptempo
>> > feel and a bit more Energy to it, this is something he's wanted to do
>> > since the end of the first season.
>>
>
>gwh...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Gabe White) writes:
>> What was the point in posting this, Frank? Just wondering..
>>--
>
>It should be fairly obvious that Frank is just pointing out that, once
>again, Paramount/TREK is boldly going where other series have gone before.
>.....and I don't think shoe-horning a new commander onto the station,
>blowing away one of the races at war, and possibly having DS9 declare
>its independence from the Federation, is going to have any real effect
>on the ratings; there's no point in them trying to copy another series'
>major plotlines, a year after they air on an opposing network.....
>without the guy who *originated* the material in the first place.
>Handing Piller and Berman a copy of the B-5 series format with the
>serial numbers filed off, and saying "Here's the series we want you
>to make!" was bad enough... do they have to keep advertising that
>the Paramount "management" is a rat-pack of bald-faced thieves,
>devoid of imagination, intelligence, and ethics? (*)
>
>(*) Note that J.M. Straczynski has specifically said that he feels
> Piller and Berman are completely blameless in this matter, and
> were just working from the materials they'd been handed by the
> "management."
Exactly, Gharlane. I thought my statement was fairly obvious in
its meaning, but some folks seemed to have missed the point.
A number of the changes being done to DEEP SPACE NINE seem to
be based on things already in BABYLON 5, which, as you point out were
know to Paramount a number of years ago when J. Michael Straczynski
pitched the idea for his B% series to them, at the start of the 1990s.
Even more obvious is this sudden change in DS9's opening, of its
music and title sequence, to "reflect the changes in the show", which
BABYLON 5 has doing for over three years now. Why, after 3 years(!) of
having the same opening is DS9 suddenly doing this -now-? With only a
few minor visual changes, THE NEXT GENERATION kept its same opening for 7
years!
Methinks, STAR TREK's producers are starting now to take BABYLON 5
as a serious challenge to the Trek franchise.
Daniel Morris DeRight
hum...@netcom.com (Franklin Hummel) writes:
>
> Even more obvious is this sudden change in DS9's opening, of
> its music and title sequence, to "reflect the changes in the show",
> which BABYLON 5 has doing for over three years now. Why, after 3
> years(!) of having the same opening is DS9 suddenly doing this
> -now-? With only a few minor visual changes, THE NEXT GENERATION
> kept its same opening for 7 years!
I'll avoid the rest of the who copied who sequence, but this
statement is completely incorrect. The opening sequence for the first
three seasons featured a view coming towards Earth from the edge of
our solar system. Paramount got a lot of flak for this, largely
because several of the planets were illuminated on the wrong sides!
For the fourth season, they used an entirely different visual
sequence, one that wanders through space and such, as well as re
recording both the music and the voiceover.
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Franklin Hummel
>Mr. Hummel,
>May I ask you if your not "Trolling" why are you cross posting this thrend
>to the Babylon 5 newsgroup. It would seem that it's way off topic and have
>nothing to do with that program?
>Any other reason then just to start more flamewars?
>Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Mr. Thaxton,
I think it fairly obvious to me that STAR TREK's seeming changes
being based on things which BABYLON 5 has been doing is relevant to all
three groups to which I posted. How in anyway you can think this is not
relevant to Trek, B5, and SF TV in general is something I do not
understand, likely because there is no understanding to your thinking.
"Way-off topic"??? Ha ha ha hahaha ha!
As far as starting a flamewar, well, I am merely pointing out the
obvious. If other folks want to start a flame war out of your boasting
about DS9's finally doing something that B5 has been doing for years now,
well, I might suggest you consider starting to give praise to where it is
really due.
And cut the false politeness, FordaT. All you are really
consider about is your hypocrisy being seen by B5 fans in your gushing over
something DS9 is doing when you have trashed B5 for the same thing.
Ted McCoy
Scott MacIntyre <sco...@leapfrog.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>hum...@netcom.com (Franklin Hummel) wrote:
>
>>>Ford A. Thaxton <for...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>Frank Hummel wrote:
>>>
>
>asked to change the music each season to fit the theme of the season.
Quite right. The music was changed for the same reason that the narration
and visuals were changed.
>Just as each year has a title such as The Coming of Shadows, it also
>has a piece of music devoted to it. Season 2 involved more battles and
>a war breaking out so Franke was asked to make the theme tune more
>like a military march and more upbeat.
Hmm? The theme tune isn't really like a military march at all...and I really
don't see how this season could be described as more upbeat than the first.
Just look at the season title. Besides, didn't jms mention somewhere that
the season intro for this season is supposed to sound darker and more
ominous than the one from season one?
>Similarly season 3 is going to
>use a "remix", for lack of a better word, of some of the music in the
>Long Twilight Struggle. If its the bit I'm thinking of it'll be great.
(Drool.) You've seen Long Twilight Struggle already? (Sigh.) ;-)
>> Well then, FordaT, I guess DS9's composer didn't get it right
>>either, since he's changing it now. Gee, and it took DS9's producers -3
>>years- to realize it wasn't right.
>
>Yup the DS9 tune is completely forgetable. Limp, dull, boring and
>slow.
Keep in mind that stringing adjectives after an opinion doesn't change it
from being an opinion -- and everybody has an opinion.
>So why take 3 years to change it?
Because it took them three years to get around to reworking the intro sequence,
I guess. (I've always liked the DS9 intro, but it really should've been
changed a year ago, when the Defiant appeared.)
>Pity that, as the TOS and TNG (1st film) tunes were great.
And Voyager too.
Looks like this is from Franklin:
>> Folks, ignoring FordaT's pettiness, there was a serious reason why
>>I pointed out that DS9's changing its opening is something that BABYLON 5
>>has been doing for years now. (No, my comment wasn't a troll.) This is
>>because I think STAR TREK's producers finally are aware BABYLON 5 is a
>>-serious- challenge to them.
!!! You're not seriously suggesting that DS9 is changing the opening title
sequence (and music) in reaction to B5, are you? Man, some of these
DS9-is-ripping-off-B5 theories are getting *really* ridiculous.
>Franklin, it's not often that we agree but you're right on the button
>with this one. When's the last time another US made set-in-space SF
>show made it to a third season? Maybe I just don't know the history of
>enough shows of this genre but it might be that TOS and TNG and DS9
>are the only others to manage it. Babylon 5 has upset a lot of
>applecarts by achieving this and by doing it on a budget that must
>make the Producers of DS9 blush.
I doubt B5's ratings are making DS9 producers blush. (And don't interpret
that as any sort of criticism against B5, because it isn't.)
All evidence suggests that the producers of DS9 are disappointed with its
ratings because DS9 isn't getting TNG-level ratings -- *not* because DS9
isn't getting B5-level ratings.
>> And now TREK production staff who for years were claiming how much
>>better models were over computer-graphics, are now introducing CGI into ST.
>
>They saw the future of FX in SF and are now jumping on late.
B5 was a pioneer in developing the use of cgi on tv, and it deserves credit
for that. But Trek can't really be blamed for sticking with technology that
worked while they waited for the new technology to more firmly establish
itself. Sort of an "if it ain't broke, don't touch it" philosophy.
(This next bit sounds like Franklin again...)
>> Why now? Why after * 3 YEARS * of the same-old thing is DS9
>>changing so much??? It's coasted along as the syndicated number-one
>>dramatic series during that time. Why shake up the formula and the
>>franchise?
A good question which you not only don't answer, but which you in fact go out
of your way to ignore. Cool.
>> Looking at the changes coming, there are obvious, obvious
>>similarities to what BABYLON 5 has been and is doing. And I think this
>>is because TREK's producers have decided that BABYLON 5 is actually a
>>threat to the ST franchise.
First of all, we don't *know* what most of the changes coming are.
The big one that *is* known is the arrival of Worf. That has virtually
nothing to do with B5 and seemingly everything to do with TNG.
A more general rumor has an increased Klingon presence on the show. Again,
a change with virtually nothing to do with B5 and seemingly everything to do
with TNG.
But, of course, most of us are going to wait and see what the changes are
before we really start commenting on those changes. (Obviously, this doesn't
apply to people like Franklin who make up their minds on these issues far
before anything resembling facts become available.)
>> But even in these changes in STAR TREK, I've got to express my
>>lack of hope.
Yawn. I sense "yet another example of how far Trek has sunk" coming up.
That's what makes Franklin's comments about Trek (and Ford's comments about
B5) seem so relentess: because the general conclusions is always known in
advance ("Trek/B5 sucks and here's yet another reason"), it just turns into
a little game on their part to twist any given situation into supporting
"evidence." (Same could be said about Gharlane and E2, but Gharlane rules
and towards the end E2 kind of deserved it anyway.)
>>Most of these changes are variations of what B5 is doing.
Such as? Oh, you mean like using a new intro sequence? Definitely an area
which B5 pioneered.
>>Even in these changes, there still seems to be present the "recycling" of
>>the style and ideas and stories of others.
Such as? (Somehow those allegations of plagiarism are supposed to apply here?
Turning into a bit of a cut-and-paste argument.)
>>Again, there seems to be a
>>absence of -creativity-, of * originality * which has often been lacking
>>in STAR TREK for a number of years now.
Again, there seems to be a absence of -thought-, of * logic * which has often
been lacking in your oh-so-thoughtful insights into Trek for a number of years
now.
(Damn, it's hard to write like that.)
Looks like this is from that other fellow:
>DS9 tentatively tried messing about with it's format in season 3 with
>the introduction of the Defiant but the main character of the show
>remained unchanged.
I would dispute that, and I don't think I'm alone. Early season three
episodes (up through Past Tense) settled into a Trek Lite format, recycling
old TNG storylines and mostly avoiding the more interesting political
story arcs from season two (like the Maquis and Bajoran politics). Many of
us saw that as a *major* change in the main character of the show. As a
change, the appearance of the Defiant was superficial but symptomatic.
>When DS9 has a weak episode it truly stinks - I quote the 3rd season
>episode Destiny to support this.
Well, yes, at its worst, DS9 truly stinks. (For some reason, Dax's romance
in a tree flashes back to me at this point.) But...Destiny?
>When B5 has a weak episode there are still lots of background points
>involving the story arc to keep you interested. I personally didn't
^^^
Sort of an unusual way to refer to yourself.
>like GROPOS all that much but the fact the Earth's military was on the
>move interested me as I wondered if this was because they were
>positioning themselves in readiness to enter the war. ie there was
>something in it to keep me happy. Oh yes and Garibaldi getting laid -
>not.
Actually, I'd make this comment about both DS9 (season one through present)
and B5 (season two): even the worst episodes manage to do *something* very
right, whether that "something" be a great performance, a great fx sequence,
a good touch of continuity, some interesting music, or whatever. Hell, even
that mess with Dax in the tree had a few good scenes.
But hey, these are just opinions.
>Don't get me wrong - I am not a DS9 hater. I watch it religiously and
>do enjoy it but it suffers from more than it's fair share of dross
>stories. But the changes as mooted for next season make DS9 a lot more
>like B5 than it was before.
Do remember that most of the changes mentioned below are just rumors.
Rumors or not, I think I'll throw in some spoiler protection here....
Possible spoilers below (rumors)
>For instance I read here that the Kilngons invade Cardassia after it's
>discovered that the Cardassians have been infiltrated by the Dominion
>and destroyed. Sounds pretty much like DS9 trying to manufacture a war
>amongst quite a few species to me. Mmmm, sounds familiar.
And, of course, B5 invented the notion of intergalactic war.
>And the worst thing about this is the way it bastardises the ideals of
>Gene Roddenberry who, rightly or wrongly, hoped that we would evolve
>into a species where we could always find a solution other than war.
Oh, come on, you're making some *big* assumptions here about how this
scenario is going to be played out. For all we know, DS9's next season
will be about the station's attempt to find some solution other than all-out
war.
Besides, the standard way Trek approaches these situations is as cold wars
with occasional flareups (both the Romulans and Dominion were handled that
way, for instance). There's no concrete evidence that this will be different.
>Despite a lot of flak flying in WB and PTENs directions regarding the
>final 4 we should thank them for being the ones brave enough to
>believe in giving JMS dream form.
I don't know if "brave" is the right word. PTEN's promotion and scheduling
of B5 (not to mention the rest of its programming) doesn't exactly suggest
that they appreciate B5's real promise and potential. I'll say this: it's
very fortunate (for us) that PTEN saw fit to put B5 on the air, regardless
of PTEN's motives.
Ted
Brian Eirik Coe
Ted McCoy <mc...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>In article <403cpl$7...@ernie.almac.co.uk>,
>Scott MacIntyre <sco...@leapfrog.almac.co.uk> wrote:
>>hum...@netcom.com (Franklin Hummel) wrote:
>
>>> Folks, ignoring FordaT's pettiness, there was a serious reason why
>>>I pointed out that DS9's changing its opening is something that BABYLON 5
>>>has been doing for years now. (No, my comment wasn't a troll.) This is
>>>because I think STAR TREK's producers finally are aware BABYLON 5 is a
>>>-serious- challenge to them.
>
>!!! You're not seriously suggesting that DS9 is changing the opening title
>sequence (and music) in reaction to B5, are you? Man, some of these
>DS9-is-ripping-off-B5 theories are getting *really* ridiculous.
You know, I find it intersting that there is no way that the producers of
Deep Space Nine could have "won" this argument. If they had never
introduced the long term story lines that they are finnaly doing, they
would have been belittled for not doing what B5 is doing. When the
producers of DS9 did begin to go for a story arc, which fits well within
the Trek universe, they are accused of ripping off B5.
I mean, one of the major, valid, critisims of TNG was that they were far
too episodic. By the end of an episode, you could be almost assured that
there would be no major changes in the Trek universe. If DS9 bucks this
trend, I, for one, will enjoy the show more.
Does it really matter where they got the idea? Unless they make a
photcopy of the B5 plot, what is the problem?
(Yes, I already know the responce. "Yes, it shows that the producers are
dereft of ideas." Since we all know B5 and JMS originated story arcs...)
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David Laderoute
Stuff about how B5 is becoming a serious challenge to ST, and that's the
reason the theme/opening is being changed on DS9.
Unfortunately, this whole idea is predicated on a logical fallacy--that
somehow, the series are in *competition*. I suppose in an absolute sense,
they are--the whole idea of ratings. But if this is case, ST has nothing
to worry about...the ST "machine" has reached critical mass. Between TV,
movies and other merchandising, it's not likely ST will flounder any time
soon. The recent Nielson's for DS9 seem to bear this out, and it's not
even in syndication yet.
In a relative sense, however, it's always seemed pretty dumb to me to
somehow see these series as being in *competition*. They aren't competing
for a time slot (they *certainly* aren't where I live, since B5 seems to
have vanished from the airwaves altogether), therefore, fans of SF are
free to enjoy *both*. And both have their strong and weak points...for
some apps, CGI on B5 works better, but then so do models on ST.
Inevitably, CGI will replace models, just because it will ultimately be
cheaper...but only when the technology improves to the point that it can
replaced *everything* a model can do...and right now it can't. But
comparing the series is like comparing ER to Chicago Hope, or Seinfeld to
Friends...they're similar, but different. Each does something better than
the other, and each does something not so well.
Frankly, I hope they don't change the theme of DS9 *too* much. I rather
like it the way it is. But that's me.
Dave L.
Doug Giffin
Babylon 5 as a threat to the Star Trek franchise. I mean, I've *tried*
to like B5, but it still escapes me hw it can have such a devoted
following. Definitely not my thing.
(And no flames, please -- this is just my opinion.)
Michael Higby
>similarities to what BABYLON 5 has been and is doing. And I think this
>is because TREK's producers have decided that BABYLON 5 is actually a
>threat to the ST franchise.
Doubtful. Babylon 5 is cheesy. All their officers wouldn't
make year one in Starfleet Academy.
That show is so cheesy, even sending it to sickbay won't help.
That cheese is so rotten, even Neelix wouldn't eat it.
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David Laderoute (am...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Frankly, I hope they don't change the theme of DS9 *too* much. I rather
> like it the way it is. But that's me.
>
> Dave L.
What worries ME is that they might use the CD-SINGLE version that's in
the DS9 soundtrack released last year. Sorry, but that one sounds like
it belongs in a Las Vegas lounge act.
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LOUIS HALL
> I just heard on the rec.music.movies conference that along with the
> complete change in premise of DS9, there is going to be a new opening
> and a new theme score! Can anybody confirm/deny it? I always thought
> that the theme was lacking in some quality or another. The new one is
> supposed to be more upbeat.
Well, I haven't heard about a TOTAL premise change, but certainly, a
bit of change would be nice. I've detested the DS9 theme music since the show
first came on the air. Quite frankly, it is boring. It starts nowhere and goes
nowhere. A change in theme might set the tone for more excitement. AT the very
least, I could stay awake through the credits.
Personally, there is a peice written and performed by Anderson,Bruford,
Wakeman, Howe (members of the rock group YES) which I think would be perfect
theme music for DS9. If you can find it, listen to the opening movement to
"Order of the Universe" off of their self-titled album. It is instrumental,
and I think a very moving piece.
-Lou-
Live long and prosper.
-Spock-
Only the good die young.
_Billy Joel_
>
LOUIS HALL
> sa...@pegasus.montclair.edu (Daniel Savad) makes the incorrect comment:
>
> >I just heard on the rec.music.movies conference that along with the
> >complete change in premise of DS9, there is going to be a new opening
> >and a new theme score! Can anybody confirm/deny it? I always thought
> >that the theme was lacking in some quality or another. The new one is
> >supposed to be more upbeat.
>
> Your about half right, Dennis McCarthy is going to record a new version of
> his Emmy Award winning Main Title Theme to fit the new title sequence that
> reflects the various changes in the show. He hopes to add a more uptempo
> feel and a bit more Energy to it, this is something he's wanted to do
> since the end of the first season.
>
>
> I'll keep you posted when I hear something.
>
*Groan*. That thing got an EMMY?! Sometimes the mind boggles. I have
friends here, where I work, in the Music Department of Rowan college,
Composition MAJORS, who could write something better than that theme. It just
lays there, flat and uninteresting. Sometimes there just really is no
accounting for taste.
-Lou-
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.
-Spock-
Live and let die.
_Wings_
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
the_spamster
then they returned to the 4th seasons for the 6th season. 7th season had the first chracter in the stars name bigger then
the rest.
-The Spamster
the_spamster
> >Ford A. Thaxton <for...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>Frank Hummel wrote:
> >>> Gee, just like BABYLON 5 does each season.
> >
> >>Maybe it has more to do with that Chris Franke has yet to get it right?
>
>
> either, since he's changing it now. Gee, and it took DS9's producers -3
> years- to realize it wasn't right.
>
> I pointed out that DS9's changing its opening is something that BABYLON 5
> has been doing for years now. (No, my comment wasn't a troll.) This is
> because I think STAR TREK's producers finally are aware BABYLON 5 is a
> -serious- challenge to them.
>
> sequence as well, I think) to better reflect the changes taking place
> within the series. That's something BABYLON 5 has done since its
> beginning. (Note that in 7 years, except for a one-time slight visual
> change, THE NEXT GENERATION's opening remained the same. And DS9's
> opening remained the same for its * first 3 years *. Why change now?)
>
> Someone posted in the rec.B5 group the other day some quotes of
> Jerri Taylor, VOYAGER's producer, answering questions as to why STAR
> TREK doesn't do story arcs (or does them badly). -Story arc-? Gee,
> sounds like BABYLON 5.
>
> better models were over computer-graphics, are now introducing CGI into ST.
>
> a number of times with the "Federation Goes to War Against XXXX" for a
> number of years now, it seems (but there have been promises before!) in DS9
> they might (we will have to wait to see!) actually do it. Of course, in
> BBAYLON 5, the Great War has been slowly but surely been building since
> season one, and now hits full-force in its upcoming 3rd season.
>
> There are a number of changes happening in TREK now. The change
> in DS9's opening, the use of CGI over models, the hiring of Michael Dorn to
> play "Worf" once again, serious-sounding promises that the TREK universe
> is actually going to be shaken up, etc. etc. Some minor, some major.
>
> changing so much??? It's coasted along as the syndicated number-one
> dramatic series during that time. Why shake up the formula and the
> franchise?
>
> similarities to what BABYLON 5 has been and is doing. And I think this
> is because TREK's producers have decided that BABYLON 5 is actually a
> threat to the ST franchise.
>
> in STAR TREK for a number of years now.
>
> copying once again.
>
>
>
> -- Frank Hummel [ hum...@netcom.com ]
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>>>>
opening credits? That's stupid. There are valid reasons for this. One of them is to feature the
Defiant on the opening credits, which has earned the right to be. Another would be that
Michael Dorn is joining the cast. No matter how good B5 is (I haven't reallt watched it so I
won't make an opinion on it), it will never be a threat to Star Trek. Trek has 4 Generations under
it's belt, and B5 did come along after DS9, so there space station premise could be a copy of
DS9. They are both good shows (I take it because alot of people have posted there liking of
B5) and neither I suspect are a threat to each other. Let them just exsist in there own universes
in peace!
-The Spamster
Michael Higby
>As for the theme music, I think it is really cool. Much better than
>TNG's yippy-skippy theme music. DS9's is serious and strong. Besides,
>didn't Dennis McCarthy win and Emmy for the theme?
Well, the music from TNG is a combination of the TOS theme and the
themes from the movies.
I guess that was a money thing and perhaps a way to evoke familiarity.
Nonetheless, IMHO, the theme symbolizes the Enterprise to me. Its
bright and aggressive and signifies adventure.
On the other hand, I like Voyager's theme, because it gives me the
feeling (along with the visuals of Voyager humming along) of this
little ship, lost far from home, bucking up and making a go of
it. Kind of like the little engine that could.
Corny, I know!
The_Doge of St. Louis
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StWSteele
(Michael Higby) writes:
>Well, the music from TNG is a combination of the TOS theme and the
> themes from the movies.
>
> I guess that was a money thing and perhaps a way to evoke
familiarity.
Actually, TNG theme was taken wholly from the ST:TMP. However, the
composer who did the music for the 2-hour show opener did indeed draft a
new titles theme which was rejected in lieu of the one from the movie.
You can hear it on the Encounter at Farpoint CD. Since I assume he got
paid for it anyway, there must have been some other reason than money for
not using it.
Steve
Ched
>
>
>hum...@netcom.com (Franklin Hummel) writes:
>>
>> Even more obvious is this sudden change in DS9's opening, of
>> its music and title sequence, to "reflect the changes in the show",
>> which BABYLON 5 has doing for over three years now. Why, after 3
>> years(!) of having the same opening is DS9 suddenly doing this
>> -now-? With only a few minor visual changes, THE NEXT GENERATION
>> kept its same opening for 7 years!
>
> I'll avoid the rest of the who copied who sequence, but this
>statement is completely incorrect. The opening sequence for the first
>three seasons featured a view coming towards Earth from the edge of
>our solar system. Paramount got a lot of flak for this, largely
>because several of the planets were illuminated on the wrong sides!
>For the fourth season, they used an entirely different visual
>sequence, one that wanders through space and such, as well as re
>recording both the music and the voiceover.
>
The scene was coming from the edge of our Universe, onto our galactic
cluster, to our galaxy, towards Saturn (or another planet like it).
Robert Miller
>No matter how good B5 is (I haven't reallt watched it so I
>won't make an opinion on it), it will never be a threat to Star Trek. Trek
>has 4 Generations under it's belt, and B5 did come along after DS9, so
>there space station premise could be a copy of DS9.
As a matter of fact B5 was in development before DS9 was, and there are some
who find the timing of Paramount announcing DS9 after Warners announced
B5 suspicious, especially considering that Paramount initially turned
down B5. I really don't think it much matters at this point.
>They are both good shows (I take it because alot of people have posted
>there liking of
>B5) and neither I suspect are a threat to each other. Let them just exsist
>in there own universes
>in peace!
There are those who think Paramount considers any space-based series to
be a threat to its monopoly on the genre. If this is true, then it
doesn't matter whether B5 beats DS9 in the ratings. It just has to be
successful enough to survive. As it is B5 is gaining a following and
getting more media exposure.
I agree with you, however, that each show should be judged on its own
merits and shouldn't be set up against each other. I also agree that
saying DS9 is copying B5 by changing its theme is silly, to say the least.
(On the other hand, the rumors I've heard about next season sound a lot
like things B5 is doing or setting up this season, but I'll wait to see
how accurate those rumors are.)
Robert
Allen G. Newman
(StWSteele) wrote:
McCarthy's would-be TNG theme just isn't as good as the Goldsmith theme
(which would have cost a lot more money, BTW, than McCarthy's because
Goldsmith is a big, big name in Hollywood music). If Dennis McCarthy
himself were still fond of his 1987 attempt at a theme, he might have
revived it for Generations, no? He didn't. Also, Roddenberry is said to
have really liked the Jerry Goldsmith theme, which probably would have
been the theme for the late '70s Star Trek II TV series that fell apart
and was done instead as the movie.
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David John Patrick
On 9 Aug 1995, Ched wrote:
> In article <Mk9D3_O00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, soda...@CMU.EDU says...
> >
> >
> >hum...@netcom.com (Franklin Hummel) writes:
> >>
> >> Even more obvious is this sudden change in DS9's opening, of
> >> its music and title sequence, to "reflect the changes in the show",
> >> which BABYLON 5 has doing for over three years now. Why, after 3
> >> years(!) of having the same opening is DS9 suddenly doing this
> >> -now-? With only a few minor visual changes, THE NEXT GENERATION
> >> kept its same opening for 7 years!
> >
> > I'll avoid the rest of the who copied who sequence, but this
> >statement is completely incorrect. The opening sequence for the first
> >three seasons featured a view coming towards Earth from the edge of
> >our solar system. Paramount got a lot of flak for this, largely
> >because several of the planets were illuminated on the wrong sides!
> >For the fourth season, they used an entirely different visual
> >sequence, one that wanders through space and such, as well as re
> >recording both the music and the voiceover.
> >
Actually it was from season three onwards that the opening scene
was changed and we were going away from Earth not going towards it.
Bond P. Hutchinson
Dennis McCarthy is THE most outstanding composer of our time
(better than John Q. "I Am God" Williams)!!!!!!!!! The DS9 Theme
is perhaps the most beutiful piece of music ever written! (Ok,
well at least it would be 1st runner up) The unbelievable
harmonies are so warm and vibrant they send CHILLS up my spine.
I could go on FOREVER about how totally superior this composition
is, but not being a music major, conductor, performer, and
composer, I will spare you music-babble that the uneducated would
not comprehend. DENNIS MCCARTHY IS GOD.
Leo Maddox TIG
: > Looking at the changes coming, there are obvious, obvious
: >is because TREK's producers have decided that BABYLON 5 is actually a
: >threat to the ST franchise.
: Doubtful. Babylon 5 is cheesy. All their officers wouldn't
: make year one in Starfleet Academy.
Undoubtedly true; Sheridan and Ivanova haven't had the political correctness
training required of all Starfleet officers. They haven't been trained in
calling organizational meetings before making decisions. And, let's face it,
they exist in a universe with truly *alien* aliens, so they can't count on
a single set of psycho-social theories to predict the behavior of the races
they deal with.
Damn, I allowed myself to be trolled.
"Fishneck! Fishneck!"--Wayne & Garth
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Jimmie J McCoy
73612...@CompuServe.COM says...
McCarthy's gone soft, he bowed to the producers idiotic changes that
began back in TNG's 4th season, and there's no excitement in Trek music
anymore, by Berman's decree. It's just not allowed to create dramatic
music to complement a scene anymore. Why do you think Ron Jones quit?
All the great stuff he did was against Berman's wishes, Jones basically
ignored him and went with his instincts, which were right. McCarthy
does do great harmonies, but even in his best moments, c'mon, McCarthy
better than John (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman, Jaws) Williams?!?
Notice that even McCarthy has wanted to upgrade the DS9 theme for a
while? I like it too, but I think it could be better.
TREVOR
FordaT
In article <40edv1$9rc$3...@mhade.production.compuserve.com>,
73612...@CompuServe.COM says...
>
>BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DDDDAAARRREE YOU!!!!!!!!
>Dennis McCarthy is THE most outstanding composer of our time
>(better than John Q. "I Am God" Williams)!!!!!!!!! The DS9 Theme
>is perhaps the most beutiful piece of music ever written! (Ok,
>well at least it would be 1st runner up) The unbelievable
>harmonies are so warm and vibrant they send CHILLS up my spine.
>I could go on FOREVER about how totally superior this composition
>is, but not being a music major, conductor, performer, and
>composer, I will spare you music-babble that the uneducated would
>not comprehend. DENNIS MCCARTHY IS GOD.
:McCarthy's gone soft, he bowed to the producers idiotic changes that
:began back in TNG's 4th season, and there's no excitement in Trek music
:anymore, by Berman's decree. It's just not allowed to create dramatic
>music to complement a scene anymore.
For the record, this was more or less true for TNG, howeve the producers
have given both Jay Chattaway alot more room to move in both DS9 and
Voyager then almost the start of both programs. Also after "Generations"
(A great score IMHO), Dennis really changed his outlook, he started to
really open his scores up. Check out his score for "The Die Is Cast-Pt.2",
or the finale cue to "Life Support" damn good stuff.
Why do you think Ron Jones quit? All the great stuff he did was against
Berman's wishes, Jones basically ignored him and went with his instincts,
which were right.
He didn't quit, he was FIRED! and While I would agree with you that Ron
Jones do some very good scores for the series, he also could be a major
pain in the ass to work with.
During his time on TREK he would miss dealines,come to the scoring stage
w/o the scores completed (I was there on two dates and saw this for
myself), went way over budget, and there were unconfirmed rumors that
toward the end he was using ghost writers, some I should add he has
denied.
Also from the producers POV, rightly or wrongl he ignored what his
employers told him to do, and if you do that enough your shown the door, I
know I would have.
> McCarthy does do great harmonies, but even in his best moments,
>c'mon, McCarthy better than John (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman,
>Jaws) Williams?!?
And you know what Dennis would agree with you, he loves John Williams and
holds him in the highest respect.
>Notice that even McCarthy has wanted to upgrade the DS9 theme for a
>while? I like it too, but I think it could be better.
>TREVOR
Not exactly, the producers wanted a slow and stately theme, Dennis however
after the first year wanted it to kick some ass, and at long last he's
been given the chance.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Glen Oliver
73612...@CompuServe.COM says...
>>BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DDDDAAARRREE YOU!!!!!!!!
>>Dennis McCarthy is THE most outstanding composer of our time
>>(better than John Q. "I Am God" Williams)!!!!!!!!!
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All McCarthy sounds the same to me - as lifeless and undynamic as the
visuals he is scoring. Sounds like galactic Soap Opera stuff. Ron Jones
was allright - to bad they spaced him (IMHO).
I find it difficult to believe that anyone who can hear would consider
him better than Williams - some of whose *legendary* scores are
endellably engrained in our mass public psyche. Can we stop anyone on
the street and humm a riff of McCarthy and stand a chance of having it
recognized? (if there IS a memorable riff from McCarthy - save the DS9
theme which IS cool I think).
Not a flame and not trolling. Just IMHOs which I *don't* mean to sound
arrogant about.
Glen
Robert Smith?
jm...@ionet.net (Jimmie J McCoy) writes:
>
> >In article <3vu7fh$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, for...@aol.com says...
> >>
> >>Your about half right, Dennis McCarthy is going to record a new version
> >of
> >>his Emmy Award winning Main Title Theme to fit the new title sequence
> >that
> >>reflects the various changes in the show. He hopes to add a more uptempo
> >>feel and a bit more Energy to it, this is something he's wanted to do
> >>since the end of the first season.
>
> >would be nice too.
Are we all aware that it's possible (with a bit of dramatic license) to
sing along to the DS9 theme? ("And
Ren-e...Auberjoin-ois...as...O---do")
The words "My budgie has no beak" work extremely well for the TNG theme
and reasonably so for Voyager (and you can probably stretch them to
TOS, if you're really desperate)
- Robert Smith?
("Cre-ated by...Rick Ber-man...and Michael Pil-lar, it's Deep Space
Nine")
Jay Penn01
writes:
> > McCarthy does do great harmonies, but even in his best moments,
>>c'mon, McCarthy better than John (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman,
>>Jaws) Williams?!?
>
>And you know what Dennis would agree with you, he loves John Williams and
>holds him in the highest respect.
>
>
Too bad he doesn't emlate him more, then. McCarthy's music is good for
setting the mood of whatever scene, but you sure can't whistle it. (No
MELODY!!!!)
-Jay Pennington
Mike Thomson
can't whistle it? Excuse me!? DS9 theme?? Its the memorable theme I can think
of of ANY TV SHOW.
Mike
Victor W. Wong
Jay Penn01 (jayp...@aol.com) writes:
> In article <40ihmb$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, for...@aol.com (FordaT)
> writes:
>
>> > McCarthy does do great harmonies, but even in his best moments,
>>>c'mon, McCarthy better than John (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman,
>>>Jaws) Williams?!?
>>
>>And you know what Dennis would agree with you, he loves John Williams and
>>holds him in the highest respect.
>>
>>
>
> Too bad he doesn't emlate him more, then. McCarthy's music is good for
> setting the mood of whatever scene, but you sure can't whistle it. (No
> MELODY!!!!)
>
Depends on the kind of ear you got. I can reproduce the DS9 theme in
key of G on a D Feadog (tin flute). People recognize it instantly.
(Of course I get razzed for it too, but you can't have everything.)
Jay Penn01
writes:
>
>jayp...@aol.com (Jay Penn01) wrote:
>>In article <40ihmb$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, for...@aol.com (FordaT)
>>writes:
>>
>>> > McCarthy does do great harmonies, but even in his best moments,
>>>>c'mon, McCarthy better than John (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman,
>>>>Jaws) Williams?!?
>>>
>>>And you know what Dennis would agree with you, he loves John Williams
and
>>>holds him in the highest respect.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Too bad he doesn't emlate him more, then. McCarthy's music is good for
>>setting the mood of whatever scene, but you sure can't whistle it. (No
>>MELODY!!!!)
>>
>
>can't whistle it? Excuse me!? DS9 theme?? Its the memorable theme I
can
>think
>of of ANY TV SHOW.
>
>
Granted, but I was referring to his background music; that's about all
it's good for--the background.
I'm a big soundtrack fan, and have even bought his Star Trek discs, but I
find them rather uninteresting.
-Jay
matthew earl glockner
> In article <40ihmb$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, for...@aol.com (FordaT)
> writes:
> > > McCarthy does do great harmonies, but even in his best moments,
> >>c'mon, McCarthy better than John (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman,
> >>Jaws) Williams?!?
> >
> >And you know what Dennis would agree with you, he loves John Williams and
> >holds him in the highest respect.
> >
> >
> Too bad he doesn't emlate him more, then. McCarthy's music is good for
> setting the mood of whatever scene, but you sure can't whistle it. (No
> MELODY!!!!)
> -Jay Pennington
Agreed. As any musician will tell you the key to any theme song is a
melody that *Demands* to be hummed, whistled, sung, etc. I *am* a
musician, but there is no way I'm going to walk down the street
whistling the theme from DS-9 or ST-V for that matter.
I'm sorry but it just isn't in the same league as TNG.
Mike Thomson
>> Too bad he doesn't emlate him more, then. McCarthy's music is good for
>> setting the mood of whatever scene, but you sure can't whistle it. (No
>> MELODY!!!!)
>
>> -Jay Pennington
>
>Agreed. As any musician will tell you the key to any theme song is a
>melody that *Demands* to be hummed, whistled, sung, etc. I *am* a
>musician, but there is no way I'm going to walk down the street
>whistling the theme from DS-9 or ST-V for that matter.
>
>I'm sorry but it just isn't in the same league as TNG.
TNG doesn't have a theme Song..they ripped it off of STAR TREK : THE MOTION PICUTURE.
Therefore.. I would not consider it.
Many people i konw think that although DS9's theme isn't ADVENTUROUS and
exciting..its a very very good theme.
Mike
FordaT
>
>> Too bad he doesn't emlate him more, then. McCarthy's music is good for
>> setting the mood of whatever scene, but you sure can't whistle it. (No
>> MELODY!!!!)
>
>> -Jay Pennington
>
>Agreed. As any musician will tell you the key to any theme song is a
>melody that *Demands* to be hummed, whistled, sung, etc. I *am* a
>musician, but there is no way I'm going to walk down the street
>whistling the theme from DS-9 or ST-V for that matter.
>
>I'm sorry but it just isn't in the same league as TNG.
:TNG doesn't have a theme Song..they ripped it off of STAR TREK : THE
:MOTION PICUTURE.
This is an incorrect statement. The Theme to "Star Trek: TMP" is owned by
Paramount and all royalties for it's use and performance have been payed
to the composer, Jerry Goldsmith along with Alexander Courage who composed
the "Trek Fanfare" used during the opening narration.
It was reused at the specific request of Gene Roddenberry.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Jim Parshall
>>o bad he doesn't emlate him more, then. McCarthy's music is good for
>musician, but there is no way I'm going to walk down the street
>whistling the theme from DS-9 or ST-V for that matter.
>I'm sorry but it just isn't in the same league as TNG.
Uh I don't think McCarthy wrote the theme to Voyager and for my buck
I think that the theme to Voyager is perfect for the show. It has all
the wonder and majesty of a truly grand journey. Now if the show was
as close to the idea as the theme.....
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> Subject: Re: New theme music for DS9!
> >I'm sorry but it just isn't in the same league as TNG.
> Many people i konw think that although DS9's theme isn't ADVENTUROUS and
> exciting..its a very very good theme.
> Mike
Ok... but still come to my school and ask how many kids have heard me whistle
the TNG theme in the halls and trust me, in my school it ECHOES!!! loud...
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Bryon Stump
(Jim Parshall) wrote:
> mglo...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew earl glockner) wrote:
>
> >>o bad he doesn't emlate him more, then. McCarthy's music is good for
> >musician, but there is no way I'm going to walk down the street
> >whistling the theme from DS-9 or ST-V for that matter.
> >I'm sorry but it just isn't in the same league as TNG.
>
> Uh I don't think McCarthy wrote the theme to Voyager and for my buck
> I think that the theme to Voyager is perfect for the show. It has all
> the wonder and majesty of a truly grand journey. Now if the show was
> as close to the idea as the theme.....
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Jerry Goldsmith wrote both the TNG and Voyager themes.
FordaT
However you forgot to mention that Alexander Courage was composer the
"Trek Fanfare" heard under the opening narration of TNG.
It was arranged and conducted by Dennis McCarthy
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Mr. Spock
Mike Thomson <jtho...@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:
>
>TNG doesn't have a theme Song..they ripped it off of STAR TREK : THE MOTION
So? It's a great theme used legally (i.e. not 'ripped off') from a most
unremarkable movie. At least ST:TMP gave us something of value.
>Therefore.. I would not consider it.
Quite frankly, who gives a shit what you think!
>Many people i konw think that although DS9's theme isn't ADVENTUROUS and
>exciting..its a very very good theme.
>
The only thing that DS9's theme would be good for is putting someone to
sleep. It is BORING!! It is poorly written. It should be changed for the new
season.
Mr. Spock
FordaT
>exciting..its a very very good theme.
>
:The only thing that DS9's theme would be good for is putting someone to
:sleep. It is BORING!! It is poorly written. It should be changed for the
new
:season.
:Mr. Spock
Excuse me, are you a musician or composer yourself?
Have you seen the written score to make such a judgement?
Dennis McCarthy's theme is exactly what the producers wanted and I should
also add that his follow filkm composers were so impressed with it that
awared him an Emmy for his efforts and impressing that crowd is no easy
thing.
Now if you don't like it your entitled to your opinion, however to call it
"Badly Written" is just insulting and uninformed.
Now to address your second point, Mr. McCArthy has always wanted to do a
more high energy version since the first season, and with luck he'll get
his chance this year.
Ford A. Thaxton (For...@aol.com)
Sarah Cherlin
mglo...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew earl glockner) wrote:
> Agreed. As any musician will tell you the key to any theme song is a
> melody that *Demands* to be hummed, whistled, sung, etc. I *am* a
> musician, but there is no way I'm going to walk down the street
> whistling the theme from DS-9 or ST-V for that matter.
>
> I'm sorry but it just isn't in the same league as TNG.
It depends on what you think of as really good. I've always thought the TNG
theme is overly loud and pretentious, not to mention unpleasantly shrill at
times. Sure, it's easier to whistle, but as far as I'm concerned the DS9
and Voyager themes are far better peices of actual music.
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sp...@romulus.org (Mr. Spock) writes:
>In article <41nuao$c...@Owl.nstn.ca>,
> Mike Thomson <jtho...@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:
>>
>>TNG doesn't have a theme Song..they ripped it off of STAR TREK
: THE MOTION
>PICUTURE.
>So? It's a great theme used legally (i.e. not 'ripped off') from
a most
>unremarkable movie. At least ST:TMP gave us something of value.
>>Therefore.. I would not consider it.
>Quite frankly, who gives a shit what you think!
>>Many people i konw think that although DS9's theme isn't
ADVENTUROUS and
>>exciting..its a very very good theme.
>>
>The only thing that DS9's theme would be good for is putting
someone to
>sleep. It is BORING!! It is poorly written. It should be changed
for the new
>season.
>Mr. Spock
I use the single version f DS9's theme to run to. It IS a little
exciting in that form. On the show it is missing the guitar, but
it is better that way since it sets the mood for the show.
Somber. And besides, everyone would shit if the theme had a
guitar in it.
Your Worst NIghtmare
PS Its a great theme. I enjoy McCarthy's music.
Douglas L Friday
music for DS9! by Mr. Sp...@romulus.org
> >exciting..its a very very good theme.
> >
> The only thing that DS9's theme would be good for is putting someone to
> sleep. It is BORING!! It is poorly written. It should be changed for the new
> season.
>
I even doubt if this is oging to be a valid option at this late in teh
game. A lot of loyal Trekkers (like me) gave up on DS9 last year after
it could not have gotten both interesting and established with at least
some shade of a good, unpredicatable arc, by the end of last season. I
Dont't care whAt berman does to DS9 now, I refuse to waste any more of
my time.
Andrew P. Gibbons
in the DS9 and Voyager Themes.
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Leighton Shell
during the previews for next week's episode. That's what I would like to find
a single of.
As far as the opening themes go, I think each theme
acurately captures the style and 'feel' of the shows they represent. I
wouldn't want them to change any one of them.
-Leighton Shell
Yakkette
have to agree that the theme music and the opening creidits could use
fixing up. The music is decent, but unmemorable, unlike TNG's or Voy's.
DS9 should take a lesson from Voy and do somthing with the opening..
I can only look at the outside of the space station for so long...
Sarah Dealy--Yakkette
"I am a telephone pole..."--Fozzie Bear
Matthew Jeremy Blevins
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>
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I'm sorry, but DS9 is the first Trek show to ever have a real story arc
that lasted more than two episodes! Most episodes of TNG could have happened in
any season, since they rarely built on each other and the characters changed so
slowly, if at all. DS9 is simply the best Trek, the best sci-fi, ever, and if
you're too much of a bonehead to give it a shot you're welcome to gone watch
that joke Voyager.
-Blevins
Douglas L Friday
music for DS9! by Matthew J. Blevins@oak.c
story arc
> that lasted more than two episodes! Most episodes of TNG could have
happened in
> any season, since they rarely built on each other and the characters
changed so
> slowly, if at all. DS9 is simply the best Trek, the best sci-fi, ever, and if
> you're too much of a bonehead to give it a shot you're welcome to gone watch
> that joke Voyager.
> -Blevins
Absolutely not. Voyager is sad right now. But what I am saying about
DS9 is as follows (in more clearer words): if one is going to make a
show with an arc in it, do it correctly (ie: from day one). If one does
not and tries to write it by ear, the chances are pretty good that it
will not make a good "arc" or will have some sort of deus ex machina
ending (as the writers will hae looked over what has been written and
will have to fix it at the end). BABYLON 5 is the sci/fi show with an
arc to it, and I watch asnd tape that show religiously. JMS really
knows what he is doing w/r/t that show, and to be honest, it shows.
I would rather see a syndicated series of shows than a half a$$ed
attempt at an arc.
Doug
Andy Eagleson
: Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.startrek.current: 30-Aug-95 Re: New theme
Why is it every time the DS9 Story arcs ( Note plural ) come up we get a
Babylon 5 fan in here trying to show us how good Babylon 5 is. I watch
and I like it but I think the DS9 writters do a fine Job with its Arcs.
And lets not forget Babylon 5 isn't doing it right its doing it DIFFRENT.
DS9 is doing t it the way Series have done it for a long time now.
Babylon 5 is the Oddball here. And lets also not forget just because its
not Babylon 5 ( Or Trek ) it STILL can be good.
-Andy Eagleson