Next Star Trek series should be about?
aalu...@webtv.net
would be set it up 100 years after the Dominion War. Similar to having
TNG 75(?) years after TOS.
It should be about the Enterprise. Have a human captain with a Klingon
wife/medical doctor and a child, a Ferengi first officer, Romulan as
security officer, a Vulcan navigator and humans as course.
Along with Data as science officer/advisor. Data comes out of retirement
from teaching to join a new crew of a new Enterprise.
The show should be about the Enterprise going past the Galactic rim and
exploring that space.
Lets face it a ST series set before Voyager as what happened to the
series Enterprise just messes up continuity. Putting the series well
past DS9/Voyager/TNG they minimize screwing up the continuity.
David Johnston
But how would they give the impression that technology had advanced?
Anim8rFSK
KennyGee@swingin'.org wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:45:25 -0400, aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about? My choice
> >would be set it up 100 years after the Dominion War. Similar to having
> >TNG 75(?) years after TOS.
> >
> >It should be about the Enterprise. Have a human captain with a Klingon
> >wife/medical doctor and a child, a Ferengi first officer, Romulan as
> >security officer, a Vulcan navigator and humans as course.
> >
> >Along with Data as science officer/advisor. Data comes out of retirement
> >from teaching to join a new crew of a new Enterprise.
> >
> >The show should be about the Enterprise going past the Galactic rim and
> >exploring that space.
>
> Yikes...are you drunk?
I suspect 'humor' as that was their mission in the second pilot.
Cliff Hartle
> from teaching to join a new crew of a new Enterprise.
Um .... impossible
Spoiler space if you haven't seen Star Trek: Nemesis
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Data "dies in this movie" :-(
bllbickel
Oh yeah. That makes it impossible, all right.
David Johnston
wrote:
Perhaps more importantly, Brent Spiner is too damn old to play Data.
John Reiher
"Cliff Hartle" <cliff_...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Data "dies in this movie" :-(
But not his clone, Rain Data...
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I totally agree with your proposed new series, ship mission,
and timeline. I would hope that data would go along with
joining it (he hasn't had much enthusiasm for going on in
the past.) I think the officers and crew of the Enterprise
should probably be a bit more eclectic (including 1-2 new
races too maybe) than you seem to envision, but that can all
be worked out. I forget how old Phlox's folks live, way not
long enuf to bring him back but maybe one of his grandsons
or sumptin' could be the new bones (played by the same actor
of course)--if not, certainly the holodoc program is still
around (with same actor!) Maybe the ship needs 2 docs! :)
What should we do about maintaining continuity re: the
following points:
1. Does Captain Sisco/Prophet ever return? (If he does, it
would hafta be after Jake dies to conform to continuity.)
What would be his place? Would his 2nd son or grandson be of
age for Starfleet and this mission?
2. Will the future lives of the rest of the characters
(and/or their families) on any of the other series be at
least mentioned or explored? This can at least be done in
historical Starfleet records, reports etc.
3. It would be nice if continuity with the various ST novels
be maintained also. Are there any other open questions that
could be addressed? I know I'm forgetting a bunch.
...tonyC
Anthony Cerrato
"Cliff Hartle" <cliff_...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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We can rebuild him! (ref. Million Dollar Man.) ...tonyC
Anthony Cerrato
"David Johnston" <rgo...@block.net> wrote in message
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In the finale of TNG, Data actually stated that he was
always remodelling himself as time went on to look older.
...tonyC
Anthony Cerrato
"John Reiher" <kedamo...@Narf.mac.com> wrote in message
news:kedamono.Poit-9D8...@text-west.newsfeeds.com...
> In article <bcyCg.14633$hj4.5164@trnddc03>,
> "Cliff Hartle" <cliff_...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Data "dies in this movie" :-(
>
> But not his clone, Rain Data...
Rain??? Is that a pun on rain date? Baaaaddddd! :)
...tonyC
JXStern
I presume it should follow some more recent SF modes, newer than the
1950s space opera model of the originals.
How about a Berserker war, giant destructive space robots, lots of
opportunity for cyborgs and cyberspace. Work thru the Saberhagen
collection.
How about a biowar, in which a breakaway colony mutates and declares
war on the mother world? Do some nano-nano's, too.
My favorite has been touched on by Andromeda and SGA, some alien race
that maybe isn't too bright, but there are just trillions of them.
Base it on the Glen Cook Shadowline series. Big story arc.
Or maybe make a series based on cannibalizing the works of Larry
Niven's "Known Space" series, with attribution, Ringworld, Protectors,
even Puppeteers, Kzinti (and just how rich is Niven getting on just
the options money for all his stuff?)
J.
cop...@yahoo.com
> If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about?
If there *must* be another ST series, it should have nothing to do with
the Federation. No Federation warship with a Federation crew tooling
around the galaxy.
Brandon
cop...@yahoo.com
> "John Reiher" <kedamo...@Narf.mac.com> wrote in message
> news:kedamono.Poit-9D8...@text-west.newsfeeds.com...
> > In article <bcyCg.14633$hj4.5164@trnddc03>,
> > "Cliff Hartle" <cliff_...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Data "dies in this movie" :-(
> >
> > But not his clone, Rain Data...
>
> Rain??? Is that a pun on rain date? Baaaaddddd! :)
I'm guessing it's a reference to the movie _Rain Man_ with Dustin
Hoffman.
Brandon
Mike Van Pelt
Anthony Cerrato <tcer...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>"John Reiher" <kedamo...@Narf.mac.com> wrote in message
>news:kedamono.Poit-9D8...@text-west.newsfeeds.com...
>> In article <bcyCg.14633$hj4.5164@trnddc03>,
>> "Cliff Hartle" <cliff_...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Data "dies in this movie" :-(
>>
>> But not his clone, Rain Data...
Good one...
>Rain??? Is that a pun on rain date? Baaaaddddd! :)
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Mike Van Pelt
JXStern <JXSternC...@gte.net> wrote:
>Or maybe make a series based on cannibalizing the works of Larry
>Niven's "Known Space" series, with attribution, Ringworld, Protectors,
>even Puppeteers, Kzinti (and just how rich is Niven getting on just
>the options money for all his stuff?)
I think Niven started the writing business rich enough not to
need to care, other than he wanted to write and be published.
Mike Van Pelt
I like this best of all.
Say, a mixed colony of Humans, Andorians, Vedala, Vulcans,
Klingons, Horta, Caitians, Tellarites, Skorr, and Gorn.
Civilians, starting a colony on a wild planet.
cop...@yahoo.com
Mike Van Pelt wrote:
> In article <1155191207....@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> cop...@yahoo.com <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
> >> If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about?
> >
> >If there *must* be another ST series, it should have nothing
> >to do with the Federation. No Federation warship with a
> >Federation crew tooling around the galaxy.
>
> I like this best of all.
>
> Say, a mixed colony of Humans, Andorians, Vedala, Vulcans,
> Klingons, Horta, Caitians, Tellarites, Skorr, and Gorn.
>
> Civilians, starting a colony on a wild planet.
Oh, I could handle the crew of, say, a civilian merchant. I just don't
want another damned shiny Federation warship packed with a Federation
crew and family in neatly pressed uniforms.
Yeah, okay, what I want looks a lot like _Firefly_ ;)
Brandon
Ken from Chicago
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ANIM8Rfsk-43E7C...@news.west.cox.net...
> In article <gc8ld257nht0an9un...@4ax.com>,
> KennyGee@swingin'.org wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:45:25 -0400, aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>> >If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about? My choice
>> >would be set it up 100 years after the Dominion War. Similar to having
>> >TNG 75(?) years after TOS.
>> >
>> >It should be about the Enterprise. Have a human captain with a Klingon
>> >wife/medical doctor and a child, a Ferengi first officer, Romulan as
>> >security officer, a Vulcan navigator and humans as course.
>> >
>> >Along with Data as science officer/advisor. Data comes out of retirement
>> >from teaching to join a new crew of a new Enterprise.
You gotta fork over buko bucks to Spiner to get him to come back. He
specifically wrote Data's death in the last movie.
>> >The show should be about the Enterprise going past the Galactic rim and
>> >exploring that space.
>>
>> Yikes...are you drunk?
>
> I suspect 'humor' as that was their mission in the second pilot.
Second pilot?!?!?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Precisely the problem I had with it. You get to a point where the tech gets
so advance for Trek tech (which is pretty far in advance of most sf
universes depicted in the media, especially for tv series) and you have
difficulty a) making serious challenges to them week after week and b)
having the production budget to convincingly portray that advanced tech.
Unless ... the 25 century sees the FALL of the Federation.
That would give you an huge out for depicting lower tech on average, with
isolated higher tech. Even if the Federation re-built, the fall would
explain why technology stagnated, ala BABYLON 5's "The Deconstruction of
Falling Stars" showing a millenium after B5 the Earth is rebuilding from a
massive war and are back up to Medieval / Renaissance level tech or
ANDROMEDA in which a 3-galaxy Commonwealth has fallen and after 300 years of
suspended animation near a black hole, the captain of the Andromeda
Ascendent finds technology at or below what he remembers.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Even in the 20th century they had backups. The bigger problem would be
getting Spiner onboard. He specifically wrote that death scene. That's kind
of a hint. While he reappeared on ENT, it was not as Data.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
<cop...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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STAR TREK: RENEGADES
Fleeing the fighting from the Borg and Dominion wars, a small band of
humanoids make their way from war torn star systems to the edges of known
Federation space ... and beyond.
They aren't looking to explore the final frontier--just survive in it.
And to differentiate the series from previous Trek series, this follows a
FLEET of ships, well, "fleet" is stretching it, maybe more of "squad" or
"wing". I'm thinking more of a handful, say five ships, ranging in size from
the Defiant up to the size of the Reliant. (Natch, they'd have a couple of
shuttles onboard.) A couple from the Federation, and one from the Klingon,
Romulan and Vulcan shipyards (tho their crew may be of different origin).
-- Ken from Chicago
ravenlynne
> >> Data "dies in this movie" :-(
> >
> >Oh yeah. That makes it impossible, all right.
>
> Perhaps more importantly, Brent Spiner is too damn old to play Data.
<<claps>> There was my argument against Data in a nutshell...Data can't
have "wrinkles".
ravenlynne
> Oh, I could handle the crew of, say, a civilian merchant. I just don't
> want another damned shiny Federation warship packed with a Federation
> crew and family in neatly pressed uniforms.
>
> Yeah, okay, what I want looks a lot like _Firefly_ ;)
>
> Brandon
somehow I knew that's where you were going with this...
Ken from Chicago
STAR TREK: SFI (StarFleet Intelligence)
In the wake of not one but two devastating wars, the Federation ups the
value of defense. However its resources are stretched thin in helping
rebuild devastated planets and star systems across the quadrant, rebuild and
restock the remains of the the Fleet, as well as develop new defenses, but
all those take time and even more resources.
Faster, cheaper, easier is recruiting and dispatching intelligence agents
...
... past the frontier to look out for more threats
... amongst TPTB scouring for those who would betray them all
... and to look for--and if needed "deal with"--those would exploit the
anarchy throughout the Alpha Quadrant, nipping it in the bud before it gets
a chance to take root and spread.
The series would be extremely "streamlined":
--Lead agent: As in our only agent, no spy teams, think Bond not Alias.
That's it. The rest would be recurring roles and guest stars since arcs
would focus on the spy being undercover for various missions and only
occassionally contacting:
--Tech support: As in support technician, singular.
--Back stop: As in when it hits the fan, the back stop is there when the
agent comes a'running from pursuing forces and needs cover fire--or, if need
be, "protect the mission", by any means necessary up to and including
"dealing" with the agent.
--Handler: As in mission briefer and dispatcher and boss all in one--and on
special occasions the one to dispatch the back stop to "protect the
mission".
-- Ken from Chicago
Anthony Cerrato
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Ah-ha! Thanx. But how could that apply--Data was Sherlock
Holmes after all! :) ...tonyC
Anthony Cerrato
"Mike Van Pelt" <m...@web1.calweb.com> wrote in message
news:44dad5be$0$84236$d36...@news.calweb.com...
> In article
<1155191207....@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> cop...@yahoo.com <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
> >> If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be
about?
> >
> >If there *must* be another ST series, it should have
nothing
> >to do with the Federation. No Federation warship with a
> >Federation crew tooling around the galaxy.
>
> I like this best of all.
>
> Say, a mixed colony of Humans, Andorians, Vedala, Vulcans,
> Klingons, Horta, Caitians, Tellarites, Skorr, and Gorn.
>
> Civilians, starting a colony on a wild planet.
Hmmm, that has possibilities too! Star Trek:The Diaspora!
Maybe rather than an ordinary ship, the first intergalactic
generation ship! The pioneer galactic explorers head for,
say, Andromeda to explore and colonize Earth-like planets
along the way...much jolliness and adventure ensues. (Also
gives us a chance to resurrect those bugs that almost took
over Starfleet once as one new villain--I don't think they
ever found out what galaxy they came from.)
...tonyC
Brian Tkatch
aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
> If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about? My choice
> would be set it up 100 years after the Dominion War. Similar to having
> TNG 75(?) years after TOS.
Actually, I think TNG/DS9 got the technology just where we want it. Why
make up so many new things?
If it's new content we want, isn't the Beta Quadrant still unexplored?
I'd also like to see them revist the planets from TOS and see how
they've progressed.
Of course, for a real shocker, they could make Star Tek: Borg, and show
the trials and travails of the Borg as they took over people. Or just a
series about Q. John Delancy was probably my TNG favorite.
B.
Brian Tkatch
Fantasy Planet.
Have Ricardo Montalban invite people to his holodeck.
Or maybe just that funny radio antenna planet.
B.
Anthony Cerrato
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote in
message news:B-idnXdykYQwlEbZ...@comcast.com...
I like this one too, Ken! Hmm, "Star Trek: The Fall"!
...tonyC
Major ChrisB
> would be set it up 100 years after the Dominion War. Similar to having
> TNG 75(?) years after TOS.
>
people and aliens in space
IAPW
David Johnston <rgo...@block.net> wrote:
>
>Perhaps more importantly, Brent Spiner is too damn old to play Data.
Data doesn't have to look the same because he's just a robot. They can
just say they put his positronic brain in a new body. So it's the same
old Data and his brain but who looks differently because of his new body.
--
And how in the world can the words that I said
Send somebody so over the edge That they'd write me a letter
Sayin' that I better shut up and sing
Or my life will be over
Michael Urban
I've said this before: I think they might do well to try an anthology
series - something like Star Trek: Tales of the Federation. Stories
can take place in any time frame or setting from the Original Series
(Enterprise didn't _really_ happen, did it?) through Voyager, from
starships to Federation colonies to long-established homeworlds like
Vulcan. The 'gimmick' would be that the same troupe of actors would
be used from week to week, performing different roles. (if some sort
of rationale must be given, then there could be a framing story in which
these actors are a traveling troupe who perform to audiences on
different colonies, using holotechnology to create their settings.)
You could even have a story taking place on NCC-1701 with Kirk, Spock,
and McCoy played by our actors; or with Pike, Number One, and Spock.
One of the original selling points for Trek was that it was, in effect,
an anthology show, a framework in which pretty much any story you
cared to tell could be fit. Tales of the Federation could bring us
stories ranging in scope from space-opera space battles to analogues
to 'Casablanca' and 'Requiem for a Heavyweight'. Or 'Duck Soup', for
that matter...
Dave Fain
>
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-43E7C...@news.west.cox.net...
>> In article <gc8ld257nht0an9un...@4ax.com>,
>> KennyGee@swingin'.org wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:45:25 -0400, aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>
>>> >If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about? My choice
>>> >would be set it up 100 years after the Dominion War. Similar to having
>>> >TNG 75(?) years after TOS.
>>> >
>>> >It should be about the Enterprise. Have a human captain with a Klingon
>>> >wife/medical doctor and a child, a Ferengi first officer, Romulan as
>>> >security officer, a Vulcan navigator and humans as course.
>>> >
>>> >Along with Data as science officer/advisor. Data comes out of
>>> >retirement
>>> >from teaching to join a new crew of a new Enterprise.
>
> You gotta fork over buko bucks to Spiner to get him to come back. He
> specifically wrote Data's death in the last movie.
Captian: Mr. Data, please bring your walker and depends over to the console
and don't drool on it this time!
Anim8rFSK
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:45:25 -0400, aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
> >If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about?
>
> I presume it should follow some more recent SF modes, newer than the
> 1950s space opera model of the originals.
>
> How about a Berserker war, giant destructive space robots, lots of
> opportunity for cyborgs and cyberspace. Work thru the Saberhagen
> collection.
>
> How about a biowar, in which a breakaway colony mutates and declares
> war on the mother world? Do some nano-nano's, too.
>
> My favorite has been touched on by Andromeda and SGA, some alien race
> that maybe isn't too bright,
TNG already has those.
Rumor is they were based on the writers.
Anim8rFSK
m...@web1.calweb.com (Mike Van Pelt) wrote:
> In article <acjld2dgsl71ummrv...@4ax.com>,
> JXStern <JXSternC...@gte.net> wrote:
> >Or maybe make a series based on cannibalizing the works of Larry
> >Niven's "Known Space" series, with attribution, Ringworld, Protectors,
> >even Puppeteers, Kzinti (and just how rich is Niven getting on just
> >the options money for all his stuff?)
>
> I think Niven started the writing business rich enough not to
> need to care, other than he wanted to write and be published.
And who said there's options money on his stuff? He wrote The Slaver
Weapon himself, that dreadful Outer Limits "Inconstant Moon" was, what,
a decade ago, and it's been 2 or 3 years since Sci-Fi announced
Ringworld, got the premise wrong in press releases - twice - and then
eventually buried it, apparenlty never to be heard of again.
Larry says he would LIKE there to be more adaptations of his stuff, even
if they're bad ones, but I don't know of any others in the offing.
It would be nice if he got paid for all the rip-offs of his stuff, like
Halo, Wing Commander, Tin Man, and countless versions of Lucifer's
Hamner.
Anim8rFSK
Where No Man Has Gone Before. The second Trek pilot (the original was
he one with Jeffrey Hunter as Chris Pike, now referred to as 'The Cage'
but at the time simply as Star Trek).
In WNMHGB the mission was to leave the galaxy.
PV
>It should be about the Enterprise. Have a human captain with a Klingon
>wife/medical doctor and a child, a Ferengi first officer, Romulan as
>security officer, a Vulcan navigator and humans as course.
>Along with Data as science officer/advisor. Data comes out of retirement
>from teaching to join a new crew of a new Enterprise.
I would rather have my eyeballs plucked out with a rusty fondue fork. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
Anim8rFSK
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> aalu...@webtv.net writes:
> >It should be about the Enterprise. Have a human captain with a Klingon
> >wife/medical doctor and a child, a Ferengi first officer, Romulan as
> >security officer, a Vulcan navigator and humans as course.
>
> >Along with Data as science officer/advisor. Data comes out of retirement
> >from teaching to join a new crew of a new Enterprise.
>
> I would rather have my eyeballs plucked out with a rusty fondue fork. *
We already had 4 years of that.
PV
>> >Along with Data as science officer/advisor. Data comes out of retirement
>> >from teaching to join a new crew of a new Enterprise.
>>
>> I would rather have my eyeballs plucked out with a rusty fondue fork. *
>
>We already had 4 years of that.
Exactly. *
Tim McDaniel
Any new Star Trek series should be about four episodes long.
--
Tim McDaniel, not fond at all of the last two series
Reply-To: tm...@panix.com
Michael Alan Chary
It should be a sitcom about an Federation citizen and a Ferengi trying to
run a passenger starship throughout various places in Federation
territory.
--
The All-New, All-Different Howling Curmudgeons!
http://www.whiterose.org/howlingcurmudgeons
Brian Tkatch
> (Enterprise didn't _really_ happen, did it?) through Voyager,
Voyager didn't _really_ happen, did it?
>The 'gimmick' would be that the same troupe of actors would
> be used from week to week, performing different roles. (if some sort
> of rationale must be given, then there could be a framing story in which
> these actors are a traveling troupe who perform to audiences on
> different colonies, using holotechnology to create their settings.)
Or it could be a really early version of the holodock. :)
B.
jjj_...@hotmail.com
green women. The battles consist of one-on-one wresting until clothes
are torn off and they start kissing.
Put it on HBO with hi-def and 5.1 audio, it's a surefire hit.
William December Starr
"Anthony Cerrato" <tcer...@optonline.net> said:
> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote in
> message news:B-idnXdykYQwlEbZ...@comcast.com...
> >
> > "David Johnston" <rgo...@block.net> wrote in message
> > news:ke8ld250pd7n2nio5...@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:45:25 -0400, aalu...@webtv.net
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be
> about? My choice
[ * 54 lines of quoted material deleted * ]
> > suspended animation near a black hole, the captain of the
> Andromeda
> > Ascendent finds technology at or below what he remembers.
> >
> > -- Ken from Chicago
>
> I like this one too, Ken! Hmm, "Star Trek: The Fall"!
> ...tonyC
Tony, will you *please*, for the love of Dog, (1) EDIT when you
quote material and (2) fix your damn formatting so that all the
lines that quote from the same source have the *same* number of ">"
characters?????
--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
PastaLover
> TNG 75(?) years after TOS.
There should NEVER be another ST series. It's an idea that's been done
to death.
Tim McDaniel
Mike Van Pelt <m...@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
>In article <acjld2dgsl71ummrv...@4ax.com>,
>JXStern <JXSternC...@gte.net> wrote:
>>(and just how rich is Niven getting on just
>>the options money for all his stuff?)
>
>I think Niven started the writing business rich enough not to
>need to care, other than he wanted to write and be published.
Niven had a grandfather named Edward L. Doheny. You can find him in
histories that cover the Elk Hills and Teapot Dome oil scandals:
Granddad Doheny was the "acquitted of giving the bribe that Interior
Secretary Fall was convicted of receiving". Doheny is also mentioned
in a Beach Boys song "Surfin' USA": I assume it's Doheny State Beach.
Doheny and his family had a great dislike of useless money-sucking
parasites and wanted their descendents to go out and make money on
their own, or at least do something. Hence Niven deciding to try
writing.
--
Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tm...@panix.com
aalu...@webtv.net
Data was a teacher when Picard was an old man.
curmudgeon
David B
> I have not seen Nemisis but doesn't that contradict All Good Things?
> Data was a teacher when Picard was an old man.
Not really since the future seen in All Good Things was created by Q.
David E. Powell
perspectives, using the Diane Duane time line.
Start with the first earth ship having surveyed the worlds, not
noticing the Romulans technology underground. The earth explorer crew
sees mostly farms, wants to possibly go back some time. Romulans
building to where they will arm for war. Have both backgrounds of both
groups, and how things build up, and the politics on both sides, as
they build up to the second mission, through the Earth space folks and
ship crew and the Romulan politicians, people, military etc....
Or maybe just build it the first year or two like that - then have the
next 3-5 years be the war itself....
Ken from Chicago
"Tim McDaniel" <tm...@panix.com> wrote in message
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You mean arcs or that it should be a mini-series?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"JXStern" <JXSternC...@gte.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:45:25 -0400, aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
>>If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about?
>
> 1950s space opera model of the originals.
>
> How about a Berserker war, giant destructive space robots, lots of
> opportunity for cyborgs and cyberspace. Work thru the Saberhagen
> collection.
>
> How about a biowar, in which a breakaway colony mutates and declares
> war on the mother world? Do some nano-nano's, too.
>
> My favorite has been touched on by Andromeda and SGA, some alien race
> Base it on the Glen Cook Shadowline series. Big story arc.
>
> Niven's "Known Space" series, with attribution, Ringworld, Protectors,
> the options money for all his stuff?)
>
Ah, the Pakled Invasion.
"We are looking for things that make us go: dilithium crystals, wheat, body
parts, whatever."
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
> In article <acjld2dgsl71ummrv...@4ax.com>,
> JXStern <JXSternC...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:45:25 -0400, aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
>> >If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about?
>>
>> I presume it should follow some more recent SF modes, newer than the
>> 1950s space opera model of the originals.
>>
>> How about a Berserker war, giant destructive space robots, lots of
>> opportunity for cyborgs and cyberspace. Work thru the Saberhagen
>> collection.
>>
>> How about a biowar, in which a breakaway colony mutates and declares
>> war on the mother world? Do some nano-nano's, too.
>>
>> My favorite has been touched on by Andromeda and SGA, some alien race
>> that maybe isn't too bright,
>
> TNG already has those.
>
> Rumor is they were based on the writers.
Or a mysterious race known only as the "Xec Cue Tiv".
-- Ken from Chicago
Anthony Cerrato
"William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote in
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> In article <tgGCg.7006$372....@newsfe11.lga>,
> "Anthony Cerrato" <tcer...@optonline.net> said:
>
> > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote
in
> > message
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> > >
> > > "David Johnston" <rgo...@block.net> wrote in message
> > > news:ke8ld250pd7n2nio5...@4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:45:25 -0400,
aalu...@webtv.net
> > wrote:
[snippage]
> Tony, will you *please*, for the love of Dog, (1) EDIT
when you
> quote material and (2) fix your damn formatting so that
all the
> lines that quote from the same source have the *same*
number of ">"
> characters?????
>
> --
> William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
No. I snip when I deem it appropriate, not blindly.
If you have read any more than one of my posts, you will
find I normally do snip quite a bit of _extraneous_
material--also, you may note, I am one of the very few
people who specify that there is snippage. My formatting has
nothing to do with the way the notes appear--what is copied
appears the way Outlook Express/Win '98 processes copying
posts...mistakes of others due to their post-editing or
formatting are not my province nor will I proof and/or
correct formatting/posting errors such as these that occur
by others. Why don't you criticize those large numbers of
people who snip everything, leaving no references to what
the post or it's authors are or what it is about? This seems
more annoying to me than over-citing previous posts!
My suggestion to you is to take a Valium dude.
...tonyC
Anim8rFSK
Chris
David Johnston
<tcer...@optonline.net> wrote:
>by others. Why don't you criticize those large numbers of
>people who snip everything, leaving no references to what
>the post or it's authors are or what it is about?
Are there such people?
David Johnston
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Unless ... the 25 century sees the FALL of the Federation.
>
>That would give you an huge out for depicting lower tech on average, with
>isolated higher tech. Even if the Federation re-built, the fall would
>explain why technology stagnated, ala BABYLON 5's "The Deconstruction of
>Falling Stars" showing a millenium after B5 the Earth is rebuilding from a
>massive war and are back up to Medieval / Renaissance level tech or
>ANDROMEDA in which a 3-galaxy Commonwealth has fallen and after 300 years of
>suspended animation near a black hole, the captain of the Andromeda
>Ascendent finds technology at or below what he remembers.
>
Of course the problem is, Andromeda poisoned that well a bit.
jjj_...@hotmail.com
David E. Powell wrote:
> The origins of the Earth - Romulan war. In a five year arc, from both
> perspectives, using the Diane Duane time line.
novels about Kirk's father, they felt more Trek-like than Enterprise.
************* Final Frontier novel spoilers
***********************************************
I loved that one part where Kirk's dad sees the Romulan general's ears,
thinks he's a Vulcan hostage, rescues him from his own troops, then
gives him a phaser.
Also the part where the landing party gets beamed up to escape from a
wolf monster thing. They're lying on the deck in shock because
teleporting is so new to them, then one guy screams. They beamed the
wolf monster up too, it runs out the door and goes tearing through the
ship.
That novel would make a fairly good movie.
joes...@hotmail.com
> If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about?
=======
It should provide behind-the-scenes stuff that we've always wondered
about:
The 100 year struggle to develop the warp toilet.
Kirk's tendency to express his peeve at planets by emptying the ship's
toilets over such planets.
BTW, did anybody ever figure out the 3 sea shells instead of toilet
paper in the movie "Demolition Man"?
- moshe
El Puerco
news:1155239960.3...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I'm already watching it...IN MY MIND!
El Puerco
news:nQOCg.145$y61.66@fed1read05...
The idea of advanced civilizations exploring the galaxy has been done to
death? Damn, I wanted more!
Ken from Chicago
Tru dat.
Just as VOY prolly soured the idea of adapting Peter David's NEW FRONTIER
series focusing on a single starship patrolling the former Thallonian
Empire's realm.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Google-users--tho to be fair it's because google automatically includes
expandible versions of the previous message so it looks more like responding
to a blog.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Chris" <chrissi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>I always wondered way "Q" was never in any of the movies
Too powerful for anything other than a cameo and even then for newbies he
reeks of Godhood. That whole omnipotence (even without omniscience) skews
that way.
-- Ken from Chicago
Anthony Cerrato
Yes indeed! And they usually give no clue at all to what the
post is about or who or what it's answering. They must think
that the post they are writing will always miraculously
appear right below the one they are replying to--or maybe
that we all have Psi powers of deduction! :) Then there are
many people who are just using the NGs to have personal
chats apropos of nothing that is on the subject topic with
selected friends! ...tonyC
Brent McKee
> If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about?
There's a perfect plot thread left dangling from the end of DS9. What
happens when an empire collapses? Answer: all sorts of nastiness. And
the Cardassian Empire has collapsed more resoundingly than most. You
have Cardassian factions trying to gain control of the Empire or maybe
just a little chunk of it. You've got Romulans and maybe even Klingons
angling to gain territory because after all the fought and died for it,
it should be theirs. You've got lesser empires and expansionist planets
looking for their piece of the action, maybe wanting to claw their way
up to where Cardassia was. I swear you've even got a justification for
space pirates - Cardassian captains with ships but no real loyalty to
anyone except their crews, and people willing to buy stuff, no
questions asked. And trying to keep things from exploding into a full
scale cataclysm, a Federation still not fully recovered from the
Dominion War even with the knowledge that Katherine Janeway returned
with from th Gamma Quadrant.
The series focuses on a pair of Federation vessels, one a smaller ship
- something like a destroyer - and the other an older model cruiser.
They're all Star Fleet can base in the area. The operate out of Deep
Space 9, commanded by Star Fleet Captain Kyra Nerys, but they rarely
get there and while Captain Kyra has operational command (due to her
expert knowledge of the region), conditions mean that most of the
serious decisions are made by the captains who have to prevent all hell
from breaking loose without starting a war themselves.
Casting notes: Make the captain of the smaller ship a non-Human
non-Vulcan. Maybe a descendant of Shran. Besides occassional
appearances by Kyra, about the only familiar face should be a certain
young Ferengi engineer. The crews should be diverse but with a number
of Bajorans. No Q! No Next Generation people at all - even Riker.
--
Brent McKee
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Ken from Chicago
"Brent McKee" <bSm...@shaw.caN> wrote in message
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It was a good enough idea for Peter David's STAR TREK: NEW FRONTIER.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_New_Frontier
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Brian Tkatch" <Maxwel...@ThePentagon.com> wrote in message
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>
> aalu...@webtv.net wrote:
>> If there is a new Star Trek series what should it be about? My choice
>> would be set it up 100 years after the Dominion War. Similar to having
>> TNG 75(?) years after TOS.
>
> make up so many new things?
>
> If it's new content we want, isn't the Beta Quadrant still unexplored?
>
> I'd also like to see them revist the planets from TOS and see how
> they've progressed.
>
> Of course, for a real shocker, they could make Star Tek: Borg, and show
> the trials and travails of the Borg as they took over people. Or just a
> series about Q. John Delancy was probably my TNG favorite.
>
> B.
>
5 to 10 years after VOY would be nice. A few minor advances in tech, and
enough time to set up the Federation any way you want and to allow former
characters to reappear at about the same age as the actors.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Brian Tkatch" <Maxwel...@ThePentagon.com> wrote in message
>
> Have Ricardo Montalban invite people to his holodeck.
>
> Or maybe just that funny radio antenna planet.
>
> B.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shore_Leave_%28TOS_episode%29
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
> On 9 Aug 2006 21:10:34 -0700, "bllbickel" <billb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Cliff Hartle wrote:
>>> > Along with Data as science officer/advisor. Data comes out of
>>> > retirement
>>> > from teaching to join a new crew of a new Enterprise.
>>>
>>>
>>> Um .... impossible
>>>
>>> Spoiler space if you haven't seen Star Trek: Nemesis
<snip>
>>> Data "dies in this movie" :-(
>>
>>Oh yeah. That makes it impossible, all right.
>
> Perhaps more importantly, Brent Spiner is too damn old to play Data.
"Data, what happened to you?"
"Oh, I concluded a major part of the human condition in addition to emotions
was change, growth, so I upgraded my hardware with a new invention. I call
it the 'Aging Chip'."
"Well the wrinkles and silver hair look perfect."
"Yes, I love it. This morning I woke with back spasm. It was wonderfully
painful."
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"ravenlynne" <raven...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> >> .
>> >> Data "dies in this movie" :-(
>> >
>> >Oh yeah. That makes it impossible, all right.
>>
>> Perhaps more importantly, Brent Spiner is too damn old to play Data.
>
> have "wrinkles".
Unless he WANTED to.
-- Ken from Chicago
Shawn Wilson
<cop...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Say, a mixed colony of Humans, Andorians, Vedala, Vulcans,
>> Klingons, Horta, Caitians, Tellarites, Skorr, and Gorn.
>>
>> Civilians, starting a colony on a wild planet.
>
> Oh, I could handle the crew of, say, a civilian merchant. I just don't
> want another damned shiny Federation warship packed with a Federation
> crew and family in neatly pressed uniforms.
>
> Yeah, okay, what I want looks a lot like _Firefly_ ;)
That was my idea too. They need to get away from Starfleet.
Warchild
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
LOL
Warchild
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
In the short term, I think the ensemble cast, continuing situation model
is played out for 'Star Trek'. I would suggest an anthology show set in
the 'Star Trek' universe. Do not use the current bull-pit writing
model. Solicit stories and scripts. This would be a genuine departure
for 'Star Trek' and require a real effort to pull off.
David Johnston
>
>In the short term, I think the ensemble cast, continuing situation model
>is played out for 'Star Trek'. I would suggest an anthology show set in
>the 'Star Trek' universe.
Given that it has taken every star trek series after the first a
couple of years to start to get off the ground, that idea strikes me
as a guaranteed loser.
Warchild
David Johnston <rgo...@block.net> wrote:
I would like to strike you, you guaranteed loser.
It strikes me that 'Masters of Horror' and the forthcoming 'Masters of
Science Fiction' point to the possibility that it might be a successful
format. What would you prefer, another tired starship format? *Yawn*.
Ken from Chicago
"Mike Van Pelt" <m...@web1.calweb.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Z%zCg.1024$5x7...@newsfe09.lga>,
> Anthony Cerrato <tcer...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>"John Reiher" <kedamo...@Narf.mac.com> wrote in message
>>news:kedamono.Poit-9D8...@text-west.newsfeeds.com...
>>> In article <bcyCg.14633$hj4.5164@trnddc03>,>>> But not his clone, Rain Data...
>
> Good one...
>
>>Rain??? Is that a pun on rain date? Baaaaddddd! :)
>
> http://imdb.com/title/tt0095953/
>
> too many noobs too many noobs way too many noobs
> --
> Tagon: "Where's your sense of adventure?" | Mike Van Pelt
> Kevyn: "It died under mysterious circumstances. | mvp at calweb.com
> My sense of self-preservation found the body, | KE6BVH
> but assures me it has an airtight alibi." (schlockmercenary.com)
Does this mean Lore is played by Tom Cruise?
-- Ken from Chicago
David Johnston
Masters of Horror is the usual kind of sf anthology show where the
point is to freak out the viewer. I suppose you could start a Star
Trek series about all the ships that get lost and colonists that have
nasty things happen to them because they don't know enough about their
new world. It's a bit out of the Star Trek range though, isn't it?
ravenlynne
True. But he's dead, Jim.
ravenlynne
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
Although the idea of ever seeing Tom Cruise again is yak-worthy, he
could make a good, crazy lore.
nah...<<yaks anyway>> scrap it.
ravenlynne
> It was a good enough idea for Peter David's STAR TREK: NEW FRONTIER.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_New_Frontier
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
I missed the post earlier in the thread about having a show about what
happens after the dominion wars...and it's been done on Star Trek
Hidden Frontiers...but not everyone is happy with crappy fan fiction.
Ken from Chicago
The original or the backup.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
But would audience BELIEVE that Tom Cruise could portray a psycho
over-emotional manic alien android?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Fortunately HF is not crappy. And I'd watch HF over ENT and much of VOY any
day. Sure it's like local theater, so the budget is lower and the acting
varies between actors from ... they got out their lines ... to those who
could easily out-act tv and movie stars.
-- Ken from Chicago (who has seen truly crappy fan fiction and fan films)
Anim8rFSK
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
If they saw him on Ellen, sure.
Warchild
David Johnston <rgo...@block.net> wrote:
You are just being obtuse. You can make a successful anthology. I
wasn't suggesting 'Star Trek the Horror Series'
David Johnston
Sure you can. If you make it a horror/tragedy series. Thus the
Twilight Zone, Night Gallery, Outer Limits, and Masters of Horror,
telling stories where it doesn't matter that you dispose of most of
your protagonists at the end of the episode because your format means
you don't have continuity in the first place. But attempts in the
last few decades to float non-horror/tragedy anthologies have been
flops because without that consistent "lets see what awful thing
happens to THIS putz", there's no reason to tune into it consistently.
I
>wasn't suggesting 'Star Trek the Horror Series'
And I was saying the success of a horror anthology doesn't support the
viability of non-horror anthologies. It's a specialised niche. Now,
Masters of Science Fiction might work just because it's specifically
stories all by masters of science fiction. People will watch because
they already know all the stories they'll be watching and will be just
be interested in seeing out they play out visually and because by
definition, these will be classic stories with lots of staying power.
But a Star Trek anthology won't have going for them. Most of the
episodes won't be written by the greatest writers of science fiction
and people won't be tuning in to see whether the latest patsy gets
embalmed alive or just finds out that their attempt to change history
by killing Hitler as a baby is in reality what caused Hitler's birth.
Edward McArdle
<rgo...@block.net> wrote:
But the point of an anthology is that the audince does not know how the
story will pan out.
Some (most?) stories would show how a starship crew triumphs over amazing
odds. But occasionally they don't.
On the other hand, the reason anthology shows don't work is that you have
no continuity of characters. People are not turning on again each week to
see how Captain Kirk gets out of his next problem. Each week you can watch
it, or miss it.
The other thing is that the Star Trek universe is basically an optimistic
universe. If you are going to have dark stories, start another universe.
--
Edward McArdle
Ken from Chicago
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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When you say "on" I take it you mean the show ELLEN, please?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Edward McArdle" <mca...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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The best chance to make a non-horror anthology series work would be to make
it a LIMITED anthology series aka a GINORMOUS ensemble series that focuses
on a few characters at a time the way the LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES comic book
series with literally a cast of dozens if not hundreds of characters, but
routinely an individual issue focused only on a few characters at a time.
LOST does the same in focusing on a few of the 15 main characters and
40-plus survivors on the island.
The key would be the link between characters, maybe colonies in a new star
system, or sector of space, on a space station, on a planet, in a nomadic
fleet, maybe spread out but visited by a patrolling starship that makes the
rounds in a regular route instead of wandering around in an open route.
Maybe the starship isn't a patrol but simply a mail carrier beaming out mail
and cargo from place to place and we follow its route.
-- Ken from Chicago
ravenlynne
hehe..They'd totally buy it...I just don't believe that he should be
allowed to collect any more of my money.
ravenlynne
> >>
> >> But would audience BELIEVE that Tom Cruise could portray a psycho
> >> over-emotional manic alien android?
> >>
> >> -- Ken from Chicago
> >
> > If they saw him on Ellen, sure.
>
> When you say "on" I take it you mean the show ELLEN, please?
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
Just when I was about to add Anne Heche to the cast of aliens....
Anim8rFSK
"ravenlynne" <raven...@yahoo.com> wrote:
She's not attractive enough.
Anim8rFSK
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-D0314...@news.west.cox.net...
> > In article <NuednRY80ta-9UPZ...@comcast.com>,
> > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "ravenlynne" <raven...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1155423968.1...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> Does this mean Lore is played by Tom Cruise?
> >> >>
> >> >> -- Ken from Chicago
> >> >
> >> > Although the idea of ever seeing Tom Cruise again is yak-worthy, he
> >> > could make a good, crazy lore.
> >> >
> >> > nah...<<yaks anyway>> scrap it.
> >>
> >> But would audience BELIEVE that Tom Cruise could portray a psycho
> >> over-emotional manic alien android?
> >>
> >> -- Ken from Chicago
> >
> > If they saw him on Ellen, sure.
>
> When you say "on" I take it you mean the show ELLEN, please?
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
Ever see Meg Foster and Perry King in "A Different Story"?
Warchild
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
Which is to say, that there are many ways to contrive an anthology based
in the Star Trek universe. Given that I found 'Voyager' and
'Enterprise' to be unwatchable, and gave up on both of them after one
season, I would not be interested in a Star Trek series based on the
existing model. Let's have something set in the universe, but really
pushes the boundaries of what is 'Star Trek'. The prequel notion with
Kirk and Spock just doesn't do much for me, as we all know where it ends
up.
Ken from Chicago
She's recovered in the past years from that ... incident.
-- Ken from Chicago
David Barnett
news:ebehd4$erq$1...@tmcd.austin.tx.us...
> In article <10323-44D...@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net>,> Any new Star Trek series should be about four episodes long.
Then it should be poroduced in the UK.
:)
--
David Barnett