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Richard S. Guse

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In the premier of the new series "SeaQuest DSV",(if you haven't seen it,
you outghto! Anyway, this is in the previews, it's a very large submarine
that is on a "supposed" exploration and scientific mission. (sound familiar?)
and the parallels to the crew of St:Tng and St:Ds9 are just incredible!
I won't go into details on that, but would you believe they have 'a'
"Wesley Crusher" on board!!! *smile* and he's not dweeby!(however,
quite cocky!) So is this the new trend? are we to have a male kid
supergenious on every other new science fiction show? (not to mention,
they used a slightly modified battlestar galactica score for the music.
*smile*
great show tho!
just thought I'd draw the parallels.
have fun!
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Robert J. Granvin

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In article <1993Sep13...@aurora.alaska.edu>, fs...@aurora.alaska.edu (Richard S. Guse) writes:
|> In the premier of the new series "SeaQuest DSV",(if you haven't seen it,
|> you outghto! Anyway, this is in the previews, it's a very large submarine
|> that is on a "supposed" exploration and scientific mission. (sound familiar?)

All based on a military vessel commanded and basically run by military
personnel who have no problem shooting. Well, sorta. :-)

|> and the parallels to the crew of St:Tng and St:Ds9 are just incredible!
|> I won't go into details on that, but would you believe they have 'a'
|> "Wesley Crusher" on board!!! *smile* and he's not dweeby!(however,
|> quite cocky!) So is this the new trend? are we to have a male kid
|> supergenious on every other new science fiction show? (not to mention,

New trend? If it were, it wouldn't be annoying!

This is such an old trend it's way beyond cliche'.

At least if someone had decided to use a supergenius female child instead
of the stereotypical and overused male child, it would at least be a little
less irritating.

Big military/scientific ship with families, a supergenius kid and an
animal. Shudder.

I found it has potential and will watch. The use of the kid hasn't been
horrid (yet?). We'll see what happens in the future (no pun intended).

I forget exactly what was said about Babylon 5, but there is only one
episode dealing with a kid and "he had the courtesy to be unconscious
through most of the episode." Now THAT has potential. :-)

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Robin Bjorklund

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Sep 13, 1993, 12:14:51 PM9/13/93
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Small spoiler below. Proceed with caution!

Actually, what impressed me the most, was the fact that for almost the
first 45 minutes to 1 hours, there were NO commercials! The screen would
fade to black, and I though a commercial would come up, but nooooooo....A
<very> nice touch. I got me quite interested!

Besides that, I thought that the show was very nicely done. My local paper
kind of canned it (saying that it <had> potential, but the premiere
sucked....). I thought that the computer animation of all the subs was
quite interesting--especially the skin rendering on the seaQuest (kind of
blotted tiger stripped). It made it look like a realistic undersea camo.

<Some> of the acting was a little corny, but that was probably just used to
develop some of the characters odd personalities. i.e. the
"hair-club-for-men" situation. :)

Robin Bjorklund
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Michael Rawdon

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Sep 13, 1993, 2:57:16 PM9/13/93
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In <1993Sep13...@aurora.alaska.edu> fs...@aurora.alaska.edu (Richard S. Guse) writes:
>In the premier of the new series "SeaQuest DSV",(if you haven't seen it,
>you outghto! Anyway, this is in the previews, it's a very large submarine
>that is on a "supposed" exploration and scientific mission. (sound familiar?)
>and the parallels to the crew of St:Tng and St:Ds9 are just incredible!
>I won't go into details on that, but would you believe they have 'a'
>"Wesley Crusher" on board!!! *smile* and he's not dweeby!(however,
>quite cocky!) So is this the new trend? are we to have a male kid
>supergenious on every other new science fiction show? (not to mention,
>they used a slightly modified battlestar galactica score for the music.
>*smile*

I was amazed at how much SeaQuest seemed to be trying to emulate Star Trek:
The Bland Generations. Right down to the weak characterizations and approach
to telling the first story ("Well, let's come up with a contrived inner
conflict for the principal character. Well, let's show everyone around the
ship. Well, let's have things go wrong with the ship in battle. Well, let's
come up with some gosh-wow clever way to fix the problem, even if it is rather
contrived."). It was really frightening.

>great show tho!
>just thought I'd draw the parallels.

There are many to be drawn. I must admit I enjoyed it mainly because I'm a
very big Roy Scheider fan. I could have done without the James Bond villains,
though.

For my money, I thought The New Adventures Of Superman was a more
entertaining show.

--
Michael Rawdon raw...@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"...I guess I'd rather have mediocre Star Trek then none at all."
- A friend, about the ST:TNG episode "Legacy"

Chris Wayne

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Sep 13, 1993, 3:59:23 PM9/13/93
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In article <1993Sep13...@aurora.alaska.edu>,

Richard S. Guse <fs...@aurora.alaska.edu> wrote:
>In the premier of the new series "SeaQuest DSV",(if you haven't seen it,
>you outghto! Anyway, this is in the previews, it's a very large submarine
>that is on a "supposed" exploration and scientific mission. (sound familiar?)
>and the parallels to the crew of St:Tng and St:Ds9 are just incredible!
>I won't go into details on that, but would you believe they have 'a'
>"Wesley Crusher" on board!!! *smile* and he's not dweeby!(however,
>quite cocky!) So is this the new trend? are we to have a male kid
>supergenious on every other new science fiction show? (not to mention,
>they used a slightly modified battlestar galactica score for the music.
>*smile*
>great show tho!
>just thought I'd draw the parallels.

How 'bout the Helm Officer looking like those andriod (??) servants
on Lando Calrissian's (sp?) sky city? Or the Supply/Moral Officer being
similar to the Tony Curtis role in "Operation: Pettycoat"? Or Lucas (the name
of the kid) having the same name as that of the 'special' kid (or was that
Loki?) on "Jason of Star Command", whose token adult was none other than
Jonathan Harris, who was the saboteur on another science fiction show with a
bratty kid and a non human companion. Or the attempt to really address a
subject that Gene Roddenberry was wishy washy on, and that is the "conflict"
between science and military (if the show is done right, it'll show that they
can be one in the same, at least co-exist) and also civilian vs military ala
"Battlestar Galactica". How many of you were expecting Alex Baldwin and Sean
Connery to appear somewhere or see Richard Herd pull off his mask to show his
lizard skin underneath? It looks like Speilberg has taken the best parts (and
the bad parts reworked) from these various sci-fi programs and made them work
together. It's interesting to note that the SeaQuest looks like a floundering
Babylon 5. Was the SeaVeiw built in San Francisco? If so, then we know that
the SeaQuest and the Enterprise were built there too. One final thing, how
many of you knew that was Pearl they were flying over before it was identified
on the screen? Oh well, one could go on and on and on with just the Star Trek
parallels even.


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cwa...@hydra.unm.edu | THIS FILM TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE SPACESHIP
--------aka--------------+ CHALLENGER. THEIR COURAGEOUS SPIRIT SHALL LIVE
Don Quixote of RAS \ ON TO THE 23RD CENTURY AND BEYOND."

just another theatre geek

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Sep 13, 1993, 4:37:43 PM9/13/93
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In article <rawdon.7...@cs.wisc.edu> raw...@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>I was amazed at how much SeaQuest seemed to be trying to emulate Star Trek:
>The Bland Generations. Right down to the weak characterizations and approach
>to telling the first story ("Well, let's come up with a contrived inner
>conflict for the principal character. Well, let's show everyone around the
>ship. Well, let's have things go wrong with the ship in battle. Well, let's
>come up with some gosh-wow clever way to fix the problem, even if it is rather
>contrived."). It was really frightening.

>There are many to be drawn. I must admit I enjoyed it mainly because I'm a


>very big Roy Scheider fan. I could have done without the James Bond villains,
>though.

>For my money, I thought The New Adventures Of Superman was a more
>entertaining show.

Isn't the end of the Internet or the world or something now
imminent.......?

(Oh, wait. We haven't had the BABYLON 5 debut yet.)


--
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dominated and humilated by a Caucasian blonde. Sheer fantasy, of course; we all
know in real life it's the other way around."

diane kachmar

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Sep 13, 1993, 4:34:23 PM9/13/93
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cwa...@unm.edu (Chris Wayne) writes:

> In article <1993Sep13...@aurora.alaska.edu>,
> Richard S. Guse <fs...@aurora.alaska.edu> wrote:
> >In the premier of the new series "SeaQuest DSV",(if you haven't seen it,
> >you outghto! Anyway, this is in the previews, it's a very large submarine
> >that is on a "supposed" exploration and scientific mission. (sound familiar

> >and the parallels to the crew of St:Tng and St:Ds9 are just incredible!
> >I won't go into details on that, but would you believe they have 'a'
> >"Wesley Crusher" on board!!! *smile* and he's not dweeby!(however,
> >quite cocky!) So is this the new trend? are we to have a male kid
> >supergenious on every other new science fiction show? (not to mention,
> >they used a slightly modified battlestar galactica score for the music.
> >*smile*
> >great show tho!
> >just thought I'd draw the parallels.
>
> How 'bout the Helm Officer looking like those andriod (??) servants
> on Lando Calrissian's (sp?) sky city? Or the Supply/Moral Officer being
> similar to the Tony Curtis role in "Operation: Pettycoat"? Or Lucas (the nam

> of the kid) having the same name as that of the 'special' kid (or was that
> Loki?) on "Jason of Star Command", whose token adult was none other than
> Jonathan Harris, who was the saboteur on another science fiction show with a
> bratty kid and a non human companion. Or the attempt to really address a
> subject that Gene Roddenberry was wishy washy on, and that is the "conflict"
> between science and military (if the show is done right, it'll show that they
> can be one in the same, at least co-exist) and also civilian vs military ala
> "Battlestar Galactica". How many of you were expecting Alex Baldwin and Sean
> Connery to appear somewhere or see Richard Herd pull off his mask to show his
> lizard skin underneath? It looks like Speilberg has taken the best parts (an

> the bad parts reworked) from these various sci-fi programs and made them work
> together. It's interesting to note that the SeaQuest looks like a flounderin

> Babylon 5. Was the SeaVeiw built in San Francisco? If so, then we know that
> the SeaQuest and the Enterprise were built there too. One final thing, how
> many of you knew that was Pearl they were flying over before it was identifie

> on the screen? Oh well, one could go on and on and on with just the Star Tre

> parallels even.
>
>
> --
> Chris Wayne @ UNM | "THE CAST AND CREW OF STAR TREK WISH TO DEDICATE
> cwa...@hydra.unm.edu | THIS FILM TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE SPACESHIP
> --------aka--------------+ CHALLENGER. THEIR COURAGEOUS SPIRIT SHALL LIVE
> Don Quixote of RAS \ ON TO THE 23RD CENTURY AND BEYOND."

the Seaview was Based in Santa Barbara, CA. Which means she WAS probably
built in San Francisco...... (Mare Island???)
Diane

Eric Glover

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Sep 13, 1993, 4:48:03 PM9/13/93
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In article <CDAwo...@news2.cis.umn.edu>,

Robert J. Granvin <r...@umnstat.stat.umn.edu> wrote:
>In article <1993Sep13...@aurora.alaska.edu>, fs...@aurora.alaska.edu (Richard S. Guse) writes:
[edit]

>|> and the parallels to the crew of St:Tng and St:Ds9 are just incredible!
>|> I won't go into details on that, but would you believe they have 'a'
>|> "Wesley Crusher" on board!!! *smile* and he's not dweeby!(however,
>|> quite cocky!) So is this the new trend? are we to have a male kid
>|> supergenious on every other new science fiction show? (not to mention,
>
>New trend? If it were, it wouldn't be annoying!
>
>This is such an old trend it's way beyond cliche'.
>
>At least if someone had decided to use a supergenius female child instead
>of the stereotypical and overused male child, it would at least be a little
>less irritating.

Aw come on get, with the program! We all know the ratio of male to female
supergenius children is 30:1 (M:F) a slight decrease from today's ratios
--but hey, its the future. ;).

Besides your sentence should read "stereotypical child", period! In the
end it all balances out when you consider the number of female children on
sitcoms vs male children. (5:1 on Cosby!!! for example).

You really have a choice. you can either have a child on your scifi series
or lower the age of the cast to attract the bread and butter male 18-34
viewers from a suit's viewpoint (sorry its my minor).

DSN has done a pretty good job of keeping kids onboard and keeping them out
of the way.

Although DSV has done *the* best job of writing for a kid character.

--
I.
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I might visit myself apon the world and remake it in my image.."
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Robert J. Granvin

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Sep 13, 1993, 5:12:24 PM9/13/93
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In article <272ma3$b...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, glo...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover) writes:
|> In article <CDAwo...@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
|> Robert J. Granvin <r...@umnstat.stat.umn.edu> wrote:
|> >In article <1993Sep13...@aurora.alaska.edu>, fs...@aurora.alaska.edu (Richard S. Guse) writes:
|> [edit]
|> >|> and the parallels to the crew of St:Tng and St:Ds9 are just incredible!
|> >|> I won't go into details on that, but would you believe they have 'a'
|> >|> "Wesley Crusher" on board!!! *smile* and he's not dweeby!(however,
|> >|> quite cocky!) So is this the new trend? are we to have a male kid
|> >|> supergenious on every other new science fiction show? (not to mention,
|> >
|> >New trend? If it were, it wouldn't be annoying!
|> >
|> >This is such an old trend it's way beyond cliche'.
|> >
|> >At least if someone had decided to use a supergenius female child instead
|> >of the stereotypical and overused male child, it would at least be a little
|> >less irritating.
|>
|> Aw come on get, with the program! We all know the ratio of male to female
|> supergenius children is 30:1 (M:F) a slight decrease from today's ratios
|> --but hey, its the future. ;).

Oh yah. I forgot. :-)

But haven't we had 30 male supergenius kids yet? :-)

|> Besides your sentence should read "stereotypical child", period! In the
|> end it all balances out when you consider the number of female children on
|> sitcoms vs male children. (5:1 on Cosby!!! for example).

But none of them were supergeniuses. :-)

|> You really have a choice. you can either have a child on your scifi series
|> or lower the age of the cast to attract the bread and butter male 18-34
|> viewers from a suit's viewpoint (sorry its my minor).

Except I don't understand why this is suddenly a major requirement.

Even though I'm at the upper end of that range, the addition of an
obnoxious kids instantly turns me off to the series, not attracts me
like it's supposedly intended to do. Meanwhile, at the same time,
everything else that doesn't pander to and cater to "the formula"
still attracts me just fine if it's quality.

Age doesn't attract me in entertainment. Substance and creativity do.
The addition of a formula-required-ratings-booster doesn't improve the
quality of the show. Maybe it bumps it up a point or two because of
increased audience, but I still argue -- "if you build quality, they
will watch..."

|> DSN has done a pretty good job of keeping kids onboard and keeping them out
|> of the way.

Agreed; and they are reasonably believable, average and even have a
reasonable role. DS9 probably has the "kid factor" that bothers me
the least (more or less not at all, though I'm sure it'll have its
moments just because... :-)

|> Although DSV has done *the* best job of writing for a kid character.

And additional agreement. This kid doesn't offend me because of the
way he's played or presented. The concept irritates me because it's
a "formula" required for TV today. Bleah.

Maybe if he was just a cocky average-aged person who everyone puts up
with because of his skills... Just get away from the boilerplate
formula!

Michael Wojcik

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Sep 13, 1993, 2:35:02 PM9/13/93
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(Richard S. Guse) wrote:
> In the premier of the new series "SeaQuest DSV",(if you haven't seen it,
> you outghto!

It looked promising, but I refused to watch it after seeing the "Talking
Dolphin" in the promos. A Talking Dolphin?!? Gimme a break, it ruined the
whole premise for me.

> Anyway, this is in the previews, it's a very large submarine
> that is on a "supposed" exploration and scientific mission. (sound familiar?)
> and the parallels to the crew of St:Tng and St:Ds9 are just incredible!
> I won't go into details on that, but would you believe they have 'a'
> "Wesley Crusher" on board!!! *smile* and he's not dweeby!(however,
> quite cocky!) So is this the new trend? are we to have a male kid
> supergenious on every other new science fiction show?

Not a new trend, but an *old* trend. Remember Brice Lynch from Max
Headroom? Doogie Hauser? Ever Read "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card?
(*Great* Book BTW.) I also remember some incredibly bad series a few years
back where almost the whole crew of some space ship (or fleet?) was kids
(anyone remember this? I seem to recall one of the rocket jockeys having to
manually pilot through an asteroid field (how original)).

(not to mention,
> they used a slightly modified battlestar galactica score for the music.

Boy, that was so long ago I can barely remember character's names, let
alone the score! :^)

,__o Michael Wojcik Information Systems Specialist
_-\_<, mwo...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu The College
(*)/'(*) mwo...@mail.sas.upenn.edu The University of Pennsylvania

Charles Baetsen

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I was looking in the TV guide for next week, that is the week that
the season premier airs. DOES ANYONE IN THE TORONTO AREA KNOW WHEN IT IS
TO BE AIRED ON CITY TV ???????? I don't have cable and hence I can't get
FOX TV in Buffalo.

Thanks in advance

Charles Baetsen

Charles Baetsen

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johnson scott andrew

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Sep 13, 1993, 6:49:30 PM9/13/93
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In article <mwojcik-13...@college23.sas.upenn.edu>,

Michael Wojcik <mwo...@mail.sas.upenn.edu> wrote:
>In article <1993Sep13...@aurora.alaska.edu>, fs...@aurora.alaska.edu
>(Richard S. Guse) wrote:
>> In the premier of the new series "SeaQuest DSV",(if you haven't seen it,
>> you outghto!
>
>It looked promising, but I refused to watch it after seeing the "Talking
>Dolphin" in the promos. A Talking Dolphin?!? Gimme a break, it ruined the
>whole premise for me.
>


I agree wholeheartedly. Half the time, Spielberg concentrates on the story,
the action, the F/X, and the other things which benefit a show/movie. And
the results are usually awesome--producing excellent adventrues (such as the
"Indiana Jones" trilogy) or spellbinding drama (such as "The Color Purple" or
"Empire of the Sun", although the latter could use some gratuitous editing.)

However, the other half of the time, Spielberg puts on his Papa Smurf hat and
loads his features with shlock, smarmimess, and continually tries to "tug at
the heartstrings". The results usually aren't that good--witness "Hook", which
would have been a damn fine movie if 30 minutes of "he's a mean old man, cause
he doesn't have a mommy" cut out. As it is, it is quite boring. As they say,
all dressed up and no place to go. The only exception to this is of course
"E.T.". First of all, this is better written than any of his other "sad"
movies, and second, the pain is genuine.

Unfortunately, Spielberg has elected to do this with Seaquest, giving us the
aformentioned verbose dolphin, whose voice, I might add, sounds a LOT like
"E.T." I wonder when he will realize that these attempts to appeal to the
kiddies sabotages his work and undermines his credibility. Seaquest holds
promise, but a well-placed harpoon would increase its value by orders of
magnitude.

Just my HO,

/sj/

pk11...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu

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Sep 13, 1993, 6:22:53 PM9/13/93
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Did you happen to notice that the seaQuest (Why is it spelled like that) was
constructed in San Fransisco. Can anyone think of another famous ship of
exploration from another sci fi show that was built at San Fran? Possibly
the Constitution-class USS Enterprise from Star Trek.

Hmmm.......

That's all for now.
Kevin Casto

Gary Hughes

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Sep 13, 1993, 3:21:55 PM9/13/93
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In article <CDAwo...@news2.cis.umn.edu>, r...@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
|> Big military/scientific ship with families, a supergenius kid and an
|> animal. Shudder.

Cuttlefish Galactica?

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea:The Next Generation?

gary

Steven W. Difranco

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Sep 13, 1993, 9:07:15 PM9/13/93
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Talking dolphins 25 years in the future is not a stretch by any means.
Dolphins are known to be the second highest evolved thinkers on the
planet (maybe first, but they have no thumbs and that swimming problem).
We have voice synthesizers now that reproduce human speech from printed
material, why not a device to translate dolphin pops and whistles into
English? This is hardly a suspension of disbelief, by any means.
--
Steven "Ask me for a plan to get out of debt" DiFranco
Social Worker to the STARS and part-time Holodeck repairman
"Constantly think, talk and touch your dreams" - Art Williams

SE...@hacks.arizona.edu

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Sep 13, 1993, 9:33:15 PM9/13/93
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In <1993Sep13...@aurora.alaska.edu> fs...@aurora.alaska.edu writes:

> you outghto! Anyway, this is in the previews, it's a very large submarine
> that is on a "supposed" exploration and scientific mission. (sound familiar?)
> and the parallels to the crew of St:Tng and St:Ds9 are just incredible!

Yes, a show that answers the previously unasked question, "What do you get when
you cross Star Trek (best ship around owned by a quasi-military organization on
a research/exploration/peace-keeper mission) and The Man From Atlantis (said
ship is a deep sea sub) with a twist of Americanized Maxx Headroom (annoying
teenage computer genius and a "cute", naive non-human)."

-------
Sean O'Connell I'm insane, but it keeps me from going crazy.
se...@hacks.arizona.edu

Death - Life's way of saying, "You can let go of your ankles now."

hwn.

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In article <CDAwo...@news2.cis.umn.edu> Robert J. Granvin,

r...@umnstat.stat.umn.edu writes:
>At least if someone had decided to use a supergenius female child instead
>of the stereotypical and overused male child, it would at least be a
little
>less irritating.

Hey, what if the kid atleast had a job, and just didn't tag along and
save the day every now and then. Atleast Wessly kinda had a job toward
the end of his stint on TNG. If the kid on SQ atleast wore a science
uniform, it might have been slightly better.

If these teenage geniuses are so damn brilliant, make a couple of
exceptions, and enlist these morons. Sheesh.

Atleast Doogie Howser was a doctor, and didn't pretend to be a doctor
with the neighborhood girls in the back of his family's home.

hwn.

hwn.

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In article <272ma3$b...@news.acns.nwu.edu> Eric Glover,

glo...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu writes:
>Besides your sentence should read "stereotypical child", period! In the
>end it all balances out when you consider the number of female children
on
>sitcoms vs male children. (5:1 on Cosby!!! for example).

With "Home Improvement," it's 3:0 (M:F), but I guess that is going to
change this season.

Another point with these teen-age sci-fi geniuses, why do they have to be
so happy and perky. I'm not only waiting to see one that actually is
enlisted, but also has a HUGE chip on his sholder. We need more teenage
curmudgeons on TV.

hwn.

hwn.

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In article <1993Sep13....@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> ,

pk11...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>Did you happen to notice that the seaQuest (Why is it spelled like that)
was
>constructed in San Fransisco. Can anyone think of another famous ship
of
>exploration from another sci fi show that was built at San Fran?
Possibly
>the Constitution-class USS Enterprise from Star Trek.

You know, maybe it is the seaQuest project that layed the foundation for
the Federation star ship program 300 or so years later. :)

Actually, where the hell near SF would you build a 1000 foot long sub?
Everything is closing down, the shipping industry is non-existant. This
made little sense.

hwn.

Joshua James Harrison

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In article <mwojcik-13...@college23.sas.upenn.edu>, mwo...@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik) writes:

[Old stuff deleted]



|> Not a new trend, but an *old* trend. Remember Brice Lynch from Max
|> Headroom? Doogie Hauser? Ever Read "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card?
|> (*Great* Book BTW.) I also remember some incredibly bad series a few years
|> back where almost the whole crew of some space ship (or fleet?) was kids
|> (anyone remember this? I seem to recall one of the rocket jockeys having to
|> manually pilot through an asteroid field (how original)).
|>

It was never a series. What you're talking about was a four hour movie that
Disney produced for their "Magical World of Disney" show that was on a few
years back. The movie was "Earth Star Voyager," and the reason the whole ship
was kids was because they were on a long (over 30 year) trip to a planet that
might be able to support human life (the movie was set in a future where
pollution was slowly killing humanity, and they needed a new home. The kids were
sent to explore the planet because the trip was too long to send adults, because
they would have died.) It was a fairly cheesy flick, and pretty lame SF, but on
the whole I don't think it was as bad as you make it out to be.



|> (not to mention,
|> > they used a slightly modified battlestar galactica score for the music.
|>
|> Boy, that was so long ago I can barely remember character's names, let
|> alone the score! :^)
|>
|> ,__o Michael Wojcik Information Systems Specialist
|> _-\_<, mwo...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu The College
|> (*)/'(*) mwo...@mail.sas.upenn.edu The University of Pennsylvania

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Chris Wayne

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In article <272ma3$b...@news.acns.nwu.edu>,

Eric Glover <glo...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wrote:
>
>You really have a choice. you can either have a child on your scifi series
>or lower the age of the cast to attract the bread and butter male 18-34
>viewers from a suit's viewpoint (sorry its my minor).
>
What ever possessed tv execs that inorder to attract a younger audience,
they needed younger actors for that audience to "identify" with? With me, if
I ever find a need to identify with a character on tv, it'll be because of the
characterization and not the age of the character.

Alvin Chia-Hua Shih

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In <CDB9y...@news2.cis.umn.edu> r...@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
>In article <272ma3$b...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, glo...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover) writes:
>|>
>|> Aw come on get, with the program! We all know the ratio of male to female
>|> supergenius children is 30:1 (M:F) a slight decrease from today's ratios
>|> --but hey, its the future. ;).

>Oh yah. I forgot. :-)

>But haven't we had 30 male supergenius kids yet? :-)

Doubtful. But even if we have, there was that ensign that Wesley fell
for. Does she count? (*AND* she seemed better adjusted, and smarter,
and had higher rank too!)

ACS
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Laura Kolb

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I just don't understand why they had to give the dolphin that STUPID voice.
I mean, since it's computer-synthesized anyway, why make it so impossible
to understand? Just another contrivance that annoyed me.

BTW, shouldn't we at least point out a parallel to ST so this doesn't
wander off topic permanently? :)

Laura
lau...@netcom.com

Brian V. Hughes

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cwa...@unm.edu (Chris Wayne) writes:

>Eric Glover <glo...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>You really have a choice. you can either have a child on your scifi series
>>or lower the age of the cast to attract the bread and butter male 18-34
>>viewers from a suit's viewpoint (sorry its my minor).

> What ever possessed tv execs that inorder to attract a younger audience,
>they needed younger actors for that audience to "identify" with? With me, if
>I ever find a need to identify with a character on tv, it'll be because of the
>characterization and not the age of the character.

Yes, but people who read the Net are far from the "norm" of American
society. And no one who is posting from a .edu site should think that Tv
producers are thinking about them when they are developing a television
show. The average American hardly makes it out of high school, and I
would think that most of them would like to see characters on a show
that are their own age. Look at the success of shows like 90210, and the
other shows that focus on high school age children.

-Hades

Michael Rawdon

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In <laurakCD...@netcom.com> lau...@netcom.com (Laura Kolb) writes:
>I just don't understand why they had to give the dolphin that STUPID voice.
>I mean, since it's computer-synthesized anyway, why make it so impossible
>to understand? Just another contrivance that annoyed me.

>BTW, shouldn't we at least point out a parallel to ST so this doesn't
>wander off topic permanently? :)

Talking about annoying contrivances is certainly one way to do just that! :-)

--
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"My favorite Star Trek With Jean-Luc episode is the one where some alien
kills another in the first five minutes and then the crew debates for the
next 55 minutes about what to do. My favorite Star Trek With Captain Kirk
is the same as anyone else's, the one where Kirk, overacting, falls in
love with a beautiful alien babe, which Spock calls illogical, and where a
bunch of security guys die. You know the one?"
- A friend

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> Atleast Doogie Howser was a doctor, and didn't pretend to be a doctor
> with the neighborhood girls in the back of his family's home.

I would've watched it if he did.

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Steven W. Difranco

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Yeah! And 30 year old high school kids at that!.

Eric Nisbet

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In article <1993Sep13.2...@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> cha...@dcss.mcmaster.ca ( Charles Baetsen ) writes:
>From: cha...@dcss.mcmaster.ca ( Charles Baetsen )
>Subject: STNG on CITY TV
>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 21:08:17 GMT

>Thanks in advance

>Charles Baetsen

I just got next week's TV Guide and CITY has both Decent Part I and II on
Tuseday September 21 starting at 7:00pm. However, I wonder if CITY is going
to return TNG and DSN to Saturdays starting at 8:00pm.

Eric Nisbet


david.r.wells

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In article <272jer$g...@leo.unm.edu> cwa...@unm.edu (Chris Wayne) writes:
>Babylon 5. Was the SeaVeiw built in San Francisco? If so, then we know that
>the SeaQuest and the Enterprise were built there too. One final thing, how
>many of you knew that was Pearl they were flying over before it was identified
>on the screen? Oh well, one could go on and on and on with just the Star Trek
>parallels even.

Interesting point: I don't think that there is a a "San Francisco Navy Yard".
(I believe that Roddenberry said that the Enterprise was built at the "old
San Francisco Navy Yard") Perhaps they meant the soon-to-be-defunct Mare Island?

David R. Wells

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with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
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Ted Beers

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SeaQuest DSV and The New Adventures of Superman were broadcast at the

same time, and yet Michael Rawdon writes:

> I was amazed at how much SeaQuest seemed to be trying to emulate Star Trek:
> The Bland Generations.

and

> For my money, I thought The New Adventures Of Superman was a more
> entertaining show.

Michael, you must finally have a VCR! I remember I was amazed some
time ago when you mentioned you had no VCR to review episodes, yet you
were turning out very thoughtful (if controversial) TNG reviews and
dredging up tidbits from previous shows.

With a VCR at your disposal, what can we expect next?

(No flame or insult intended. Just a fun observation about something
from long ago that struck me as quite interesting.)

Ted Beers

Paul Manson

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They don't know what they are doing.


If you call and ask for local 4100 they have a Star Trek hotline.

Present schedule is:

TNG ep 252 Tuesday Sept 21 19:00
ep 253 Tuesday Sept 21 20:00

DSN ep 421 Monday Sept 27 20:00

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Chris Wayne

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In article <CDEu9...@cbfsb.cb.att.com>,

david.r.wells <d...@cbnewsg.cb.att.com> wrote:
>In article <272jer$g...@leo.unm.edu> cwa...@unm.edu (Chris Wayne) writes:
>>Babylon 5. Was the SeaVeiw built in San Francisco? If so, then we know that
>
>Interesting point: I don't think that there is a a "San Francisco Navy Yard".
>(I believe that Roddenberry said that the Enterprise was built at the "old
>San Francisco Navy Yard") Perhaps they meant the soon-to-be-defunct Mare Island?

I do believe that's what they meant. How many people know where Mare
Island is?? I think I've heard it referred to as the San Francisco Navy
Yards at Mare Island, but then it could dependent on who you listen to.

Dirk Loedding

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JSA> .@SUBJECT:Re: SeaQuest DSV <> ST
JSA> N .@FROM :joh...@prism.CS.ORST.EDU
JSA> N .@MSGID :<272tdq...@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>

JSA> Unfortunately, Spielberg has elected to do this with Seaquest, giving
JSA> us the aformentioned verbose dolphin, whose voice, I might add, sounds
JSA> a LOT like "E.T." I wonder when he will realize that these attempts
JSA> to appeal to the kiddies sabotages his work and undermines his
JSA> credibility. Seaquest holds promise, but a well-placed harpoon would
JSA> increase its value by orders of magnitude.

Did you actually watch it, or are you just attacking it on the basis of
seeing a promo which included a "talking" dolphin?
FYI...the "speech" of the dolphin is not the dolphin itself talking.
It's courtesy of a device developed by the "boy genius" on the show.
Who, by the way, is *not* a Wesley clone (not that I dislike Wesley.)
Before the Roy Scheider character and the dolphin (Darwin) come aboard,
they were able to communicate, at least one-way, via hand signals from
the Scheider character. The verbal communication was an enhancement.
And, Darwin was not forming complete sentences in college-level english,
either. He was expressing himself much like I would expect a dolphin to
express concepts.
So, if you did watch it, and didn't get anything out of it, I'm sorry
for you. If you didn't watch it, and chose to flame the hell out of it
without even giving it the courtesy of watching it, I feel even sorrier.

... Your Proctologist called: He found your head.
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Dirk Loedding

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Pk> .@SUBJECT:Re: SeaQuest DSV <> ST
Pk> N .@FROM :pk11...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Pk> N .@MSGID :<1993Sep13....@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>

Pk> Did you happen to notice that the seaQuest (Why is it spelled like
Pk> that) was constructed in San Fransisco. Can anyone think of another
Pk> famous ship of exploration from another sci fi show that was built at
Pk> San Fran? Possibly the Constitution-class USS Enterprise from Star
Pk> Trek.

Ummm...I doubt any of the starships we see on Trek these days, with the
possible exception of shuttlecraft or Runabouts are built planet-side.
Now, I could be wrong...maybe the Enterprise *was* built on Earth. But,
why? Why would you build something that large on the ground and then
have to get it into orbit? Could you get something that size into orbit
without it falling apart? I dunno...Not these days, anyway.

Now, SF HQ is indeed in San Francisco, but that doesn't do anything for
your attempt at a point.


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Dirk Loedding

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MW> .@SUBJECT:Re: SeaQuest DSV <> ST
MW> N .@FROM :mwo...@mail.sas.upenn.edu
MW> N .@MSGID :<mwojcik-13...@college23.sas.upenn.edu>

MW> It looked promising, but I refused to watch it after seeing the
MW> "Talking Dolphin" in the promos. A Talking Dolphin?!? Gimme a break, it
MW> ruined the whole premise for me.

The Dolphin (Darwin) didn't talk unassisted. They used a translator
device, built by the kid. You should have given the show a chance, IMO.
Now...if they had the dolphin talking on his own, and forming complete
sentences, it would have been a problem for me. But, they had the
dolphin's speech come out much the way I would have expected it. Not
sentences, not conversation, but expression of concepts. Like, for
example...Captain Bridger (the Roy Scheider character) is testing to see
if the translation device is really working. He asks Darwin what color
his favorite bathing suit is. Darwin says "no suit. skin." This is a
perfectly acceptable way for a dolphin to answer this question. Now, if
Darwin had said "You don't wear a suit. You swim in the nude" I would
have had a problem with it. I think you missed out on a good show by
letting pre-conceived notions keep you away.
How many times have promos for the next episode of TNG or DS9 made it
look like it would be a lousy show? Quite a few times. And how many
times has the show turned out to be a pretty darned good show? Quite a
few times. You should know by now not to base a decision on whether or
not to watch on seeing a promo! Give it a try.


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Dirk Loedding

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Hw> .@SUBJECT:Re: SeaQuest DSV <> ST
Hw> N .@FROM :hwn...@leland.stanford.edu
Hw> N .@MSGID :<1993Sep14.0...@leland.Stanford.EDU>

Hw> Another point with these teen-age sci-fi geniuses, why do they have to
Hw> be so happy and perky. I'm not only waiting to see one that actually
Hw> is enlisted, but also has a HUGE chip on his sholder. We need more
Hw> teenage curmudgeons on TV.
The one on sQ:DSV does have a chip on his shoulder...or an attitude
problem. Seems his parents pulled some strings to get him sent to the
ship, to keep him out of trouble.

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Dirk Loedding

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LK> .@SUBJECT:Re: SeaQuest DSV <> ST
LK> N .@FROM :lau...@netcom.com
LK> N .@MSGID :<laurakCD...@netcom.com>

LK> I just don't understand why they had to give the dolphin that STUPID
LK> voice. I mean, since it's computer-synthesized anyway, why make it so
LK> impossible to understand? Just another contrivance that annoyed me.

Ok...I'll grant that the voice is pretty stupid. But, consider that it's
pretty much a prototype translation device. I would hope they improve it
somewhat later in the season.

LK> BTW, shouldn't we at least point out a parallel to ST so this doesn't
LK> wander off topic permanently? :)

Why? At least sQ:DSV is a science fiction TV show. We've had topics on
here that had no relation whatsoever to science fiction TV shows, much
less Trek.


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Michael Rawdon

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In <2320...@hpcvra.cv.hp.com> te...@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Ted Beers) writes:
> SeaQuest DSV and The New Adventures of Superman were broadcast at the
> same time, and yet Michael Rawdon writes:

>> I was amazed at how much SeaQuest seemed to be trying to emulate Star Trek:
>> The Bland Generations.

> and

>> For my money, I thought The New Adventures Of Superman was a more
>> entertaining show.

> Michael, you must finally have a VCR! I remember I was amazed some
> time ago when you mentioned you had no VCR to review episodes, yet you
> were turning out very thoughtful (if controversial) TNG reviews and
> dredging up tidbits from previous shows.

Yup, I've had a VCR for about 8 months now. I even use it sometimes. :-)

> With a VCR at your disposal, what can we expect next?

Not much. :-) Even if I start doing reviews again, I doubt I would tape an
episode to go over it afterwards for a review. Heck, I haven't even taped the
TNG episodes I *liked* yet (and they've been re-run here at least twice since
I got the VCR).

The prized possessions in my tape library are my Trek II and III tapes, the
Babylon 5 movie, and the BBC Day of The Triffids shows. Which comprise about
half of collection. :-)

No, I don't have any Classic Trek episodes on tape. I *would* have copious
numbers of Dr. Who episodes on tape -- IF the $%^&* PBS station here were
still broadcasting any. Grrr. I'd also like to get Space: 1999 on tape, but
since we don't get the Sci-Fi channel in Madison, I seem to be out of luck
there. (And I'd like to get a chance to see all of UFO and of Blakes 7. Oh,
well.)

I did get my Dad to tape all of Fantastic Journey for me. I think I can now
truly say that I don't love Classic Trek simply because it was a childhood
favorite, because FJ - which I also remember fondly from childhood - is
*terrible*. Roddy McDowell is fun to watch, though. :-)

--
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Too many compromises. You want to watch the carounet tournament, she wants
to listen to music. So, you 'compromise': You listen to music. You like
Earth jazz, she prefers Klingon Opera. So, you 'compromise': You listen to
Klingon Opera. So, here you were, ready to have a nice night watching the
carounet match, and you wind up spending an agonizing evening listening to
Klingon Opera."
- Odo, "A Man Alone"

Jason Wong

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On 09-14-93 21:34, Raw...@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:

Ra> I just don't understand why they had to give the dolphin that
Ra> STUPID voice. I mean, since it's computer-synthesized anyway, why make
Ra> it so impossible to understand? Just another contrivance that annoyed
Ra> me.

Didn't you get it? The voice is a from a guy who does a lot of cartoon
voices. It was used to give the dolphin a voice that would appeal to
kids. I recognize the voice from a lot of cartoons, but the only
character that comes to mind is the crazy toucan-like green bird on Tiny
Toons (sorry I can't be more exact).
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Jason Wong

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On 09-15-93 17:43, Eni...@novell.com writes:

En> I just got next week's TV Guide and CITY has both Decent Part I and II
En> on Tuesday September 21 starting at 7:00pm. However, I wonder if CITY
En> is going to return TNG and DSN to Saturdays starting at 8:00pm.

I just called CITY TV and asked to listen to their Federation Station
Hotline recording and heard that "our TNG and DS9 schedules are in a bit
of a disarray..." That's an understatement if any!

As it is, it would be cool to have TNG on Tuesdays at 8:00 and DS9 on
Mondays at 8:00. At least that's how it's going to be for both
premieres. Last I looked TNG was on Friday at 10:00 and DS9 on Saturday
at 10:00. Now that they've pegged the dates for both premieres (beating
Fox too), they may get a shot at a better time slot.

I hope they don't though, because CITY TV refuses to play the bumpers
before the commercials and the correct promos (they don't play the DS9
promos and use the "no music / no announcer" promo so they can plug
their own music and announcer in. How annoying!
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Yes, I recognized that voice instantly. That guy's been around doing
voices for cartoons since the early 80's. He seems to specialize in
robots and fuzzy-wuzzy cuddly creature voices. I've hated him since day
one.

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Dave Litchman

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In article <60.14430.32...@canrem.com> jason...@canrem.com (Jason Wong) writes:

His name is Frank Welker.


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Jim Houston

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Frank Welker also did the voice of "Abu" the monkey in Aladdin.

-----------------------------
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Walt Disney Feature Animation
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Mark Brodsky

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Sep 23, 1993, 1:14:32 PM9/23/93
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In article <27nlta...@marvin.is.wdi.disney.com>,

Didn't he also do the voice of Glomer on the "Punky Brewster" cartoon
series. That's what Darwin's voice reminds me of most.
--
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Jason Wong

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On 09-21-93 09:32, Schr...@bnlux1.bnl.gov writes:

Sc> Yes, I recognized that voice instantly. That guy's been around doing
Sc> voices for cartoons since the early 80's. He seems to specialize in
Sc> robots and fuzzy-wuzzy cuddly creature voices. I've hated him since
Sc> day one.

Uhuh, me too. The character on Tiny Toons is Go-Go (someone had to
e-mail me for that!), and that's the main reason why I've quit watching
seaQuest after the premiere. That *stupid* dolphin! So as I said
before, I think the only reason he got that voice was to make him "cute"
and appeal to the kids.
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Steven W. Difranco

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Yeah? Suppose they had James Earl Jones do the dolphin? Or maybe
Jennifer Tilly (Key West)? Maybe even Ernest BORG-nine?
--
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the replicators are malfunctioning. I ordered a salad.
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Christopher Adams

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In <28817h$a...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> sw...@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven W. Difranco) writes:

>Yeah? Suppose they had James Earl Jones do the dolphin? Or maybe
>Jennifer Tilly (Key West)? Maybe even Ernest BORG-nine?

It is Frank Welker I believe...

chris adams

cad...@cis.umassd.edu

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