Worf, the Klingon Punching Bag...
James Collins
warrior Worf got plastered, crushed, beaten to a pulp, or zapped with
miscellaneous weapons? Maybe we should have a nice table of statistics,
with one column Worf getting clobbered, one with Worf getting clobbered,
but taking someone with him, and one where *he* clobbers someone (hmm,
kinda sparse for this column. Only thing I can think of right now is
that holodeck scene where he is with Riker, and beating up monsters...
Err wait, didn't he get smacked by one of them? :) I dunno, maybe it's
me... But I would think that those writers at Paramount would put in a
scene where he saves the day by zapping all the whatchamacallits without
getting hurt. Or if he does get taken out, say with that Ferrengi scene
in Rascals, how about him taking out the two Ferrengi and have anouther
one pop up behind him and blast him... (to save the plot). At least we'd
see him *do* something warriorlike for a change...
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Brad Barton
>Out of curiosity, has anyone counted the number of time the natural
>warrior Worf got plastered, crushed, beaten to a pulp, or zapped with
>miscellaneous weapons? Maybe we should have a nice table of statistics,
>with one column Worf getting clobbered, one with Worf getting clobbered,
>but taking someone with him, and one where *he* clobbers someone (hmm,
>kinda sparse for this column. Only thing I can think of right now is
>that holodeck scene where he is with Riker, and beating up monsters...
>Err wait, didn't he get smacked by one of them? :) I dunno, maybe it's
>me... But I would think that those writers at Paramount would put in a
>scene where he saves the day by zapping all the whatchamacallits without
>getting hurt. Or if he does get taken out, say with that Ferrengi scene
>in Rascals, how about him taking out the two Ferrengi and have anouther
>one pop up behind him and blast him... (to save the plot). At least we'd
>see him *do* something warriorlike for a change...
>
he kills Duras and (spoiler)
when he defeats the Anti-Data on the holodeck in Fistful of Datas.
He also won he battle for his family honor, eventually, but that wasn't
physical. And an argument could be made that he cheated against Data, but
he survived, didn't he?
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Pete J Suters
>Out of curiosity, has anyone counted the number of time the natural
>warrior Worf got plastered, crushed, beaten to a pulp, or zapped with
>miscellaneous weapons?
Hmm, it seems to me that all Klingons are pretty wimpy. I mean,
whenever the Klingons have come up against the Feds in the past,
THEY'VE ALWAYS LOST.
We have a phrase over here ... 'all mouth and no trousers' - I think
that just about sums it up. They're so busy going on about how they
are hunters, warriors, and invincable that when it comes down to it,
they're pretty useless really.
It sounds like they're always covering up for the fact that THEY
ALWAYS LOSE, so it's no suprise to me that Worf is always being
beaten up, zapped and humiliated ... as he keeps on reminding us,
he's a KLINGON ...
Give me a race of warrior Tribbles anyday!!
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> Hmm, it seems to me that all Klingons are pretty wimpy. I mean,
>whenever the Klingons have come up against the Feds in the past,
>THEY'VE ALWAYS LOST.
> We have a phrase over here ... 'all mouth and no trousers' - I think
>that just about sums it up. They're so busy going on about how they
>are hunters, warriors, and invincable that when it comes down to it,
>they're pretty useless really.
> It sounds like they're always covering up for the fact that THEY
>ALWAYS LOSE, so it's no suprise to me that Worf is always being
>beaten up, zapped and humiliated ... as he keeps on reminding us,
>he's a KLINGON ...
>
Klingons kickning some serious buttocks. For instance, and Klingons Kirk
had to deal with always gave him a run for his money. Especially the one
from STIII (Commander Kruge). Also, the Klingons from the warship that Riker
temporarily commanded were pretty robust. Not to mention the very impressive
tactics of the Klingon civil war (some of the most exiting battle scenes in
TNG to date).
And of course we can't forget the fact that in the alternate timeline
("Yesterday's Enterprise") the Klingons had the Federation at their mercy.
Clearly there is more than enough examples to demonstrate the fact the
Klingons are no puffta-patrol.
I suspect that they reason why Worf gets knocker around so much is because
he's always to first one to go charging in while everyone else is still
trying to figure out what's going on.
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TJ Wood
In article <BxL1z...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, myem...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11....@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccs...@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters) writes:
>> It sounds like they're always covering up for the fact that THEY
>>ALWAYS LOSE, so it's no suprise to me that Worf is always being
>>beaten up, zapped and humiliated ... as he keeps on reminding us,
>>he's a KLINGON ...
> Now wait just a damn minute! There have been plenty of examples of
> Klingons kickning some serious buttocks. For instance, and Klingons Kirk
> had to deal with always gave him a run for his money.
Not really. He beat every last one of them -- in less than an hour! But
then, KIRK was a REAL Captain. He didn't call meetings, like some wimpy
starfleet captains I know.
> Especially the one
> from STIII (Commander Kruge).
Who? Doc Brown from "Back to the Future"? No way! Kirk sucker punched him
and down into the ravine he went. Kirk (who in no way speaks Klingon as
well as Jean Luc) then fooled Kruge's crew into beaming him up. What SCHMUCKS!
Can't they tell a REAL Klingon from a fake one? Would Scotty be fooled by a
Klingon trying to pretend he was Kirk beaming up? No way!
Klingons are not only weak, THEY'RE STUPID!!! You'll notice that they LOST
2 Klingon ships WITH CLOAKING DEVICES to the Ferengi! That's right, the
stupid FERENGI beat the stupid KLINGONS. I rest my case!
> Also, the Klingons from the warship that Riker
> temporarily commanded were pretty robust.
Riker kicked the 3rd in command's butt. Some robust Klingon. Even the
women Klingons scared Riker more than the men. (Of course, THEY wanted
to have sex with Riker. Obviously, women Klingon have no taste).
> Not to mention the very impressive
> tactics of the Klingon civil war
Yea, the "3 Stooges in Space" or the "Klingon Civil War". Moe Klingon VS
Curly Klingon. Worf is the only one with enough brains NOT to fly into the
sun. Sheesh! Of course, he is STUPID enough to get "captured" in a bar.
> And of course we can't forget the fact that in the alternate timeline
> ("Yesterday's Enterprise") the Klingons had the Federation at their mercy.
Who Jean Luc? Jim Kirk would have kicked them back across the neutral zone.
Not only that, but he would have FIRST gone into the time rift and kicked
the ROMULAN'S butts too and then COME BACK for the Klingons, if needed.
Jean Luc was too chicken to take on the Romulans and Riker paid the price.
Tasha Yar had more guts than Jean Luc! I'd love to see HER in command
of the Enterprise.
>I suspect that they reason why Worf gets knocker around so much is because
> he's always to first one to go charging in while everyone else is still
> trying to figure out what's going on.
Yea, he's too stupid to figure out what he's gonna do. Sheesh! Get that
man some target practice. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with
his phaser on maximum spread.
I did get a chuckle out of that Ferengi kicking him while he was down on
the floor.
And, NO, I don't take any of this stuff seriously. It's a TV SHOW fer
Pete's sake.
Terry "Who the heck is Pete?" Wood
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James Gasaway
Barton) wrote:
> To my mind of thinking the only two physical fights Worf has won are when
> he kills Duras and (spoiler)
>
>
FISTFUL OF DATAS **SPOILER**
>
>
>
>
> when he defeats the Anti-Data on the holodeck in Fistful of Datas.
>
>
> He also won he battle for his family honor, eventually, but that wasn't
> physical. And an argument could be made that he cheated against Data, but
> he survived, didn't he?
He also beats up a security guard in the 5th season episode where Riker and
the androgynous "female" fall in love.
He knocked out the mind reader/rapist with one blow (also 5th season?).
I may be able to think of some more wimpy advisaries Worf has managed to
defeat, but I have to go now.
James
jgas...@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
Thomas G. Kiefer
>Spoilers must be in here somewhere for Rascals
>2 Klingon ships WITH CLOAKING DEVICES to the Ferengi! That's right, the
>stupid FERENGI beat the stupid KLINGONS. I rest my case!
What? Did I miss something? When do we know of Ferengi beating Klingons
in any kind of fight? Evidence?
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Pete J Suters
>Spoilers must be in here somewhere for Rascals
>
>
>Pete's sake.
>
>Terry "Who the heck is Pete?" Wood
Nor do I, but I just love stirring things up!! I think the score
so far is "Wimpy Klingons : 2 Tough Klingons : 1" ....
Who the heck is Pete ???? I, the heck, am! Double dumb-ass on you!
:-)
Jonathan Richard Chittenden
Worf did kill Duraas (sp?). That's the only time I can
think of. It is sickening to see a Klingon being so
un-wariorlike. The writers should allow Worf to satisfy
his blood-lust.
David Toland
He also killed the Klingon renegade who was aiming a disruptor into the
dilithium chamber ("Heart of Glory"). That was a merciful act, to let
him die as a warrior instead of in a shameful execution. You might want
to listen to Worf's speech to his fellow Klingon about duty. Picard
frowns upon killing if there is any alternative, so Worf's duty as a
warrior AND security chief is to try to keep any situation from getting
to the point where killing is necessary.
** minor "Rascals" SPOILERS ALERT ****
I agree that he botched it during the Ferengi takeover, or more accurately,
the writers botched it. As I pointed out before, they could have written
it so he took out one or two of them and then another one dropped him.
By the way, several people keep referring to *6* Ferengi capturing the
ship. We don't know how many Ferengi it took to seize the ship, only
how many they left on board after they thought they had everything
secured. They would have needed most of them on the planet to control
nearly 1000 personnel forced into mining the ore for them. For that matter,
there could have been more than six on board as a guard, if more than one
transporter room were utilized for the recapture.
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Ilene Morgan
>
I have to disagree a little. In Redemption I and II we see Worf trying
to get in touch with his Klingon heritage but not being completely
comfortable with it. Finally, at the end of R II he was given the life
of Duras' son (don't remember the name) and decided to spare it. When
told that killing him would be the Klingon way, he said it was not *his*
way. While he still is exhilarated by the prospect of battle, his desire
to kill seems to have been tempered by his association with humans and the
Federation.
With these scenes in mind, I don't think it's inconsistent for the writers
not to let Worf fulfill his blood-lust; he seems to have decided that he
doesn't have any.
Just my $.02...
Ilene
mor...@math.psu.edu