Trilithium: What is it? No. Really! Make up my mind.
EntrprsD
Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
EntrprsD
WELLS JAMIE
EntrprsD <entr...@aol.com> wrote:
>I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
>
No, there is no such thing as trilithium.
>Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
>DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
>
One of the only REAL particles used in ST.
TTFN
Jamie Wells
Paul Bartlett
wel...@ecf.toronto.edu (WELLS JAMIE) wrote:
>In article <4ivcaj$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
>EntrprsD <entr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
>>
>
> No, there is no such thing as trilithium.
Your right . . .
>>Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
>>DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
>>
> One of the only REAL particles used in ST.
>
>TTFN
>Jamie Wells
>
>
Trilithium is a highly dangerous waste compund made when the warp core uses
the dilithium. It is completely fictional.
P.Bartlett
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rwi...@mail.utexas.edu
>
> I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
>
> DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
Wrong.
Trilithium does not exist. You are probably thinking of Tritium, which
is indeed an isotope Hydrogen (as is Deuterium).
And unless the warp core is a NMR, I seriously doubt that it is driven
by deuterium :-)
Rob, who needs to run a NMR instead of posting....
EntrprsD
EntrprsD
Ubiquitous
>
>I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
>
>Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
>DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
I can only assume Trilitium is Li3 (triatomic Lithium), which as far as
I recall from my high school chemistry class cannot exist.
Your milage may vary.
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: In article <4ivcaj$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, entr...@aol.com (EntrprsD) says:
: >
: >I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
: >
: >Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
: >DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
: I can only assume Trilitium is Li3 (triatomic Lithium), which as far as
: I recall from my high school chemistry class cannot exist.
There is. for the purposes of ST, something called trilithium, however.
Nasty material, so far seen in two forms: Weapons grade (usable for
building a sun killer torpedo, since it blocks nuclear interactions and
puts the star out, essentially) and trilithium ressin (a dangerous
byproduct of some warp drive designs), which blows up if you look at it
wrong.
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: EntrprsD wrote:
: >
: > I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
: >
: > Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
: > DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
: Wrong.
: Trilithium does not exist. You are probably thinking of Tritium, which
: is indeed an isotope Hydrogen (as is Deuterium).
: And unless the warp core is a NMR, I seriously doubt that it is driven
: by deuterium :-)
: Rob, who needs to run a NMR instead of posting....
Why can't you run it with deuterium?
Matter and antimatter are collided within the warp core. Matter,
hydrogen, and antimatter, anti-hydrogen. Just that they happen to be
deuterium and anti-deuterium.
Raistlin
>
> Trilithium does not exist. You are probably thinking of Tritium, which
> is indeed an isotope Hydrogen (as is Deuterium).
>
> And unless the warp core is a NMR, I seriously doubt that it is driven
> by deuterium :-)
>
Trilithium was mentioned in Star Trek: Generations, therefore in the Star
Trek Universe Trilithium does exist.
The Blue Ninja
> Ubiquitous (web...@polaris.net) wrote:
> : In article <4ivcaj$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, entr...@aol.com (EntrprsD) says:
> : >
> : >
> : >Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
> : >DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
>
> : I recall from my high school chemistry class cannot exist.
>
> There is. for the purposes of ST, something called trilithium, however.
> Nasty material, so far seen in two forms: Weapons grade (usable for
> building a sun killer torpedo, since it blocks nuclear interactions and
> puts the star out, essentially) and trilithium ressin (a dangerous
> byproduct of some warp drive designs), which blows up if you look at it
> wrong.
>
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I thought I read somewhere that trilithium was used in nuclear bombs to make
them more powerful. But I could be wrong. Maybe dilithium?
Blue.
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<snip>
> Trilithium was mentioned in Star Trek: Generations, therefore in the Star
> Trek Universe Trilithium does exist.
Go back to the original post...the person was asking if trilithium
exists in the real world.
Rob
Grrey
dilithium used to moderate the matter/antimatter reactions inside
federation warp drives.
Would explain why the names are similar?
LTC Hawk
Fingers
>Raistlin wrote:
><snip>
>Rob
No I wasn't, I was just asking why Trilithium was named as three (another has been
mentioned since I first posted - so make that four) different things. I know it doesn't
exsist in the real world, yet.
Peace,
Fingers
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> In article <4j4k44$6...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, dev...@uoguelph.ca (David L Evens) writes:
> > Ubiquitous (web...@polaris.net) wrote:
> > : In article <4ivcaj$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, entr...@aol.com (EntrprsD) says:
> > : >
> > : >I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
> > : >
> > : >Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
> > : >DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
> >
> > : I can only assume Trilitium is Li3 (triatomic Lithium), which as far as
> > : I recall from my high school chemistry class cannot exist.
> >
> > There is. for the purposes of ST, something called trilithium, however.
> > Nasty material, so far seen in two forms: Weapons grade (usable for
> > building a sun killer torpedo, since it blocks nuclear interactions and
> > puts the star out, essentially) and trilithium ressin (a dangerous
> > byproduct of some warp drive designs), which blows up if you look at it
> > wrong.
> I thought I read somewhere that trilithium was used in nuclear bombs to make
> them more powerful. But I could be wrong. Maybe dilithium?
DIlithium is supposed to be an element from the 2nd - extended - periodic
table. It extends into the fourth dimension (remember that in Star Trek
Lore, there's probably an infinite number of dimensions so the 4th
isn't likely to refer to time).
Trilithium is an element from the third periodic table.
In TOS, trilithium hasn't been studied and is believed to have many
interesting properties that could be applied to useful applications in
Warp Drives. In TNG, it's a dangerous waste product.
diatomic and triatomic lithium could never have all the properties
ascribed to it in Star Trek, but it could probably be eventually
synthesized (Li2 and Li3 that is). As for Dilithium and Trilithium;
they will *never* exist because they're based on different laws
of physics than the ones that govern *this* universe. For dilithium
and trilithium to exist, we would not only need to find that our
basic understanding of physics is wildly inaccurate but we would
also have to find that our laws of physics need to be amended in
some very specific ways. Don't hold your breath.
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Or is it a psychiatrist recommendation to a manic-depressive patient.
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Robertson
>Raistlin wrote:
>> Trilithium was mentioned in Star Trek: Generations, therefore in the Star
>> Trek Universe Trilithium does exist.
>
Trilithium was also mentioned in the TNG episode 'Starship Mine',where it
appeared to be a completely different substance,in this case produced by the
ship's warp drive
Thad Bissett
: rwi...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:
: >Raistlin wrote:
Actually, in Starship Mine, the substance mentioned was
trilithium resin, whatever the hell that is. I guess we can think that
maybe trilithium is some sort of experimental distilled product from
trilithium resin, or some other kind of derivative of it. That's the
only explanation I can think of, besides the one that says that TPTB
screwed up. Any more ideas?
Cynthia Daniels
I don't know why, can you tell me? Is Trilithium really real?
rwi...@mail.utexas.edu
> Is Trilithium really real?
No.
However, many people seem to mistake trilithium (an imaginary element
found in the ST universe) with tritium (an isotope of hydrogen). Go
figure.
Rob
BScottHale
third generation of lithium..... Mabey.... Who knows.... :)
Emery Calame
writes:
>Trilithium isn't real.... Lithium is real.... Tri lithium would be a
>third generation of lithium..... Mabey.... Who knows.... :)
I thought it might be a weird crytal of lithium that um forms with
three atoms per..naaaahhh.
Em
howie
anti matter and used to make the warp core chamber. Trilithium is a
waste produced by the warp engines, as seen in the ST:TNG episode
Starship Mine.
howie
Ubiquitous
>Trilithium isn't real.... Lithium is real.... Tri lithium would be a
>third generation of lithium..... Mabey.... Who knows.... :)
A "third generation"?
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>Trilithium isn't real.... Lithium is real.... Tri lithium would be a
>third generation of lithium..... Mabey.... Who knows.... :)
I think, Trilithium is a mixture of three _new_ kinds
of Lithium, Lithium is a an Alkali-metal, so I think some new
Alkali-metal's, that are similar with Lithium..., but they
react with eachother and together they
become a new metal...TRILITIUM
3 kinds of them...tata...Trilithium...I think
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> >Trilithium isn't real.... Lithium is real.... Tri lithium would be a
> >third generation of lithium..... Mabey.... Who knows.... :)
> I think, Trilithium is a mixture of three _new_ kinds
> of Lithium, Lithium is a an Alkali-metal, so I think some new
> Alkali-metal's, that are similar with Lithium..., but they
> react with eachother and together they
> become a new metal...TRILITIUM
> 3 kinds of them...tata...Trilithium...I think
> but this is an theory, too....WHO KNOWS.....:)
It's not theory, it's fantasy. And according to all things Trek, that is
not what trilithium is.
sylp...@imap2.asu.edu
Well, Lithium is real.. it is often used in the treatment of
manic-depression.
Di would mean 2 molecules/compounds (carbon DIoxide)
Tri would mean 3 (TRIglycerides)
It might be a real compound.. but whether or not it would function the
way it supposedly does on the show is anohter question althogether and
would be best asked of a chemist.. But you never know! :)
Sylph
rwi...@mail.utexas.edu
>
> Di would mean 2 molecules/compounds (carbon DIoxide)
> Tri would mean 3 (TRIglycerides)
By your analogy, trilithium would be three molecules of lithium (a
cluster)...however by chemical nomenclature, whether there are three
molecules present or 5,000,000, it would still be called lithium.
>
> It might be a real compound.. but whether or not it would function the
> way it supposedly does on the show is anohter question althogether and
> would be best asked of a chemist.. But you never know! :)
I am a chemist and no there is no such thing as dilithium or trilithium
in the real world. These are fantasy elements that have no true
counterparts in our universe....Tritium, an isotope of hydrogen, does
exist, but again this is not trilithium either (people seem to mistake
that with trilithium, also).
Rob
Simon Atkins
: In <4k3jjd$g...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> bscot...@aol.com (BScottHale)
: writes:
: >
: >Trilithium isn't real.... Lithium is real.... Tri lithium would be a
: >third generation of lithium..... Mabey.... Who knows.... :)
: I thought it might be a weird crytal of lithium that um forms with
: three atoms per..naaaahhh.
: Em
I would have thought that trilithium was a chemical compound that used
three Electrons per atom instead of the singular electron of lithium. The
main problem with this is that lithium is like sulphur; expose it to
oxygen and it burns. (I think thats right....) This would mean that
trilithium would be so unstable in our atmosphere that it explode or
dissipate in milliseconds.
S...@ark.org.uk
rwi...@mail.utexas.edu
> I would have thought that trilithium was a chemical compound that used
> three Electrons per atom instead of the singular electron of lithium. The
> main problem with this is that lithium is like sulphur; expose it to
> oxygen and it burns. (I think thats right....) This would mean that
> trilithium would be so unstable in our atmosphere that it explode or
> dissipate in milliseconds.
>
Just in case you are assuming that dilithium is somehow real or possible
in the universe outside the tv :-)
Chemistry 101
Lithium already has three electrons (2 in the 1s orbital, and 1 in the
2s orbital) per atom...when it reacts violently in water, it loses the 1
electron in the 2s orbital, via oxidation (forming a 'He' like
structure). However, if you were referring to Li having three electrons
in the 2s(2) and 2p(1) (not possible, but let's us assume..), then it
would be a Li2- ion, not dilithium.
FYI, neither sulphur nor lithium burn when exposed to oxygen...sulphur
is generally used to clean mercury spill (which would be kinda dangerous
if it burned) and lithium merely oxidizes (white power forms on the
surface).
Hope this help and/or clarified.
Rob
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of not reacting with anti-matter. It's my understanding that ANY matter
as long as it is composed of protons, neutrons and electrons would react
violently when touching any of the anti-matter counterparts. Or is
there a part of physics that I missed, or is Startrek (gasp!) not real
after all.
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>The real question is - Would lithium (in any shape or form) be capable
The answer is, of course, no. So, to deal with this problem,
Some of the better authors of ST novels
have taken the tack that, in 23rd and 24th century science, the prefix
di- or tri- etc. in front of some element indicates matter from some
"second" or "third" periodic table, the idea apparently being that
matter from these "extra" periodic tables have some sort of
extra-dimensional properties (subspace?) that allow them
to do bizarre things like withstand anti-matter (di-lithium), or gobble up
all of the photons coming from a star at faster than lightspeed (tri-lithium
in ST7:Generations). I don't think this has even a whimsical relation to
any concept of actual 20th century science, but what can you do?
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: main problem with this is that lithium is like sulphur; expose it to
: oxygen and it burns. (I think thats right....) This would mean that
: trilithium would be so unstable in our atmosphere that it explode or
: dissipate in milliseconds.
I don't mean to be a real nit-picker, but lithium reacts with
water, not oxygen. True, it is oxidized in water, but the violent
reaction you are thinking of happens with the higher elements of that
group: potassium, cesium, rubidium. Trilithium, if it were a compound,
would have to be composed of three atoms of lithium. If it was an
isotope, it would have to have additional neutrons, not electrons. If
you increase the number of electrons in an atom (which, by the way,
lithium already has three of), you change the reactivity. You'd have to
add six electrons to get a comparable reaction (and this reation would be
like that of sodium.) However, adding that many electrons to an atom of
lithium would make it quite unstable, because the nucleus would not exert
a strong enough charge to hold the extra electrons in orbit. SO,
trilithium could not exist in any way that would make it available for
easy transport or use in any sort of device.
Thad Bissett
: The real question is - Would lithium (in any shape or form) be capable
: violently when touching any of the anti-matter counterparts. Or is
: there a part of physics that I missed, or is Startrek (gasp!) not real
: after all.
If I remember correctly, there is some semi-cannon source that
states that dilithium has a four-dimensional crystal lattice that allows
it to interact with antimatter without annihilating. Sounds like a bunch
of crap to me, but at least it's an explanation.
David L Evens
That's a silly novel called _How Much for Just the Planet?_
There isn't really a cannon explanation for how the dilithium crystals
can conduct and control the antimatter without anihiliating. Of course,
there isn't an explanation for how the Heisenberg Compensators defeat one
of the fundamental properties of the universe, either.
Joe Da Man
}I would have thought that trilithium was a chemical compound that used
}three Electrons per atom instead of the singular electron of lithium. The
}main problem with this is that lithium is like sulphur; expose it to
}oxygen and it burns. (I think thats right....) This would mean that
}trilithium would be so unstable in our atmosphere that it explode or
}dissipate in milliseconds.
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S>From: s...@dove.ark.org (Simon Atkins)
>Subject: Re: Trilithium: What is it? No. Really! Make up my mind.
S>Emery Calame (eme...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: In <4k3jjd$g...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> bscot...@aol.com (BScottHale)
>: writes:
>: >
>: >Trilithium isn't real.... Lithium is real.... Tri lithium would be a
>: >third generation of lithium..... Mabey.... Who knows.... :)
S>: I thought it might be a weird crytal of lithium that um forms with
>: three atoms per..naaaahhh.
S>: Em
S>I would have thought that trilithium was a chemical compound that used
>three Electrons per atom instead of the singular electron of lithium. The
>main problem with this is that lithium is like sulphur; expose it to
>oxygen and it burns. (I think thats right....) This would mean that
>trilithium would be so unstable in our atmosphere that it explode or
>dissipate in milliseconds.
I understand what you mean. I can't say for sure, but I have found a
discrepancy in the reference to it in TNG. In the episode "Starship
Mine", Picard is racing through the ship trying to stay out of the way
of the beam that destroys all living matter. Meanwhile there are
futuristic "bandits" on board stealing a capsule of "Trilithium Resin"
which is very volatile and implies that Trilithium exists. Then, in
"Generations", Riker reports to Picard that the Romulans on board the
Amargosa Observatory were looking for a new experimental explosive;
Trilithium. I found this strange, and I know it doesn't really help
you, but I didn't know whether or not anyone picked this up.
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Trilitium sounds basicaly like an isetope of Lithium...
In the same way that duetronium is an isetope of hydrogen..
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OKay....in Starship Mine...they're smuggling Trilithium resin...
butin Genereations they act like they've never heard of it...
Christopher Reid
No Strings Attached wrote:
>
> OKay....in Starship Mine...they're smuggling Trilithium resin...
> butin Genereations they act like they've never heard of it...
Maybe only smart people like Geordi or Data understood Trilithium before Generations.
As I recall it's Riker that doesn't know about Trilithium. And I doubt it's that new,
the stellar observatory, romulans, soran, lursa and b'etor, all of them knew it existed.
Riker just needed to jog is memory.
mason.r...@gmail.com
> I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
>
> Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
> DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
>
> EntrprsD
Trilithium is a real compound and I have several Kg of it most of the countries supply, and I'm working on using it in advanced rocket propellant. The complete name is: LITHIUM ALUMINUM HEXAHYDRIDE
CAS No. 16941-14-3
Chemical Name: LITHIUM ALUMINUM HEXAHYDRIDE
Science and fiction again unite.
Ken Mason
John Savard
> I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
lithium can sometimes consist of diatomic lithium molecules.
I had to check to verify that there is a Trilithium in Star Trek:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Trilithium
Lithium is an alkali metal, with a valence of one, so there could not be
triatomic lithium analogous to ozone.
John Savard
justalit...@gmail.com
> I agree. I am positive that there is a compound/isotope called Trilithium.
>
> DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
>
> EntrprsD
gerde...@gmail.com
>
> Just another fact: The deuterium used in the warp drives on ALL Trek shows
> DOES exist - it is a isotope of Hydrogen.
>
> EntrprsD
John Savard
> There IS a compound called TriLithium, the complete name is TriLithium Aluminum > Hexahydride. Nothing to do with SciFi,warp drive or the like. I have several
> kilos.
molecules.
But Star Trek's "trilithium" belongs to a third-order periodic table, just as
dilithium belongs to a second-order periodic table; it's an element of some form
of exotic matter.
Not so exotic, at least in the case of dilithium, that one can't dig solid
chunks of it out of the ground - although a dilithium cracking station is an
extensive complex.
John Savard