Voyager Captain Announced!
Denny Atkin
that the captain of the U.S.S. Voyager has been cast.
Congratulations. It's a girl.
Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COMA.
Methinks they done good.
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Frank Mancuso
: Well, you can stop the letter writing. :-) Variety's Army Archard reports
: Methinks they done good.
Genevieve Bujold is a good choice, I agree. She brings an
interest to both male and female viewers. Her accent will set her
apart.
I wonder if she will be "human"?
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Susan M Kaye
: Congratulations. It's a girl.
I am pleased about that.
: Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
: probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COMA.
: Methinks they done good.
Sorry, I can't agree with you here. I've seen several of her performances
and they've all seemed very flat. She strikes me as having an exceptionally
dull screen presence. This camper isn't too happy, but, what the hell, I'll
go in with an open mind and give her a chance before I make up my mind
whether Paramount made a good decision or not.
Sam
Jeffrey W. McKeough
Frank Mancuso <rel...@telerama.lm.com> wrote:
>
> Genevieve Bujold is a good choice, I agree. She brings an
>interest to both male and female viewers. Her accent will set her
>apart.
> I wonder if she will be "human"?
Yes. But her character will be British. ;-)
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Paulo A. Pereira
wave of "Genevieve Bujold -- NUDE!" posts to appear?
8^)
-Paulo
David Carroll
been named as the Voyager captain. Anyone know who she is? The only thing
the newscast said was that she is Canadian.
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Flatley1
writes:
>Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
>probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film
>COMA.
Is there any other confirmation of this? I want to stop trying to find out
who, and start finding out about what in Voyager.
Brian
Ed Hall
carr...@nihrrlib.ncrr.nih.gov (David Carroll) wrote:
> I heard on a Baltimore radio news show today that Genvieve Bougois
(?????) has
> been named as the Voyager captain. Anyone know who she is? The only thing
> the newscast said was that she is Canadian.
>
Well, it will be good to have a Canadian in the Captain's chair again :-)
I'm very happy about this news. I'm not really familiar with Genevieve
Bujold so I'll have to reserve judgement on her acting ability but I found
the thought of yet another male captain/female doctor somewhat--boring.
I'm glad Paramount is willing to try something new.
Regarding her acting ability she's been in over thirty movies going back
to 1964 so it's not like she lacks experience.
OK, how about a letter writing/fax campaign to *thank* Paramount for
making the right decision?
-Ed
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official press release identifying the Voyager cast? Until that time,
all other news reports are debatable
Which is what we've been doing for weeks, isn't it? (*snrk*)
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Rudeboy
>
>How long do you all think it will take for the first
>wave of "Genevieve Bujold -- NUDE!" posts to appear?
You know, my friend told me that Captain Janeway used to be a porno star
back in the early seventies....
--Charlie
Rudeboy
[Genevieve Bujold information deleted.]
>OK, how about a letter writing/fax campaign to *thank* Paramount for
>making the right decision?
This idea is as good as (if not better than) the original letter writing
campaign. I vote, "Make it so!"
--Charlie
Kevin Kenney
Janeway, a Brit with a French accent. Typical Paramount 'originality'.
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Before or after her marriage to Gene Coon Roddenberry?
This could get old fast. :-)
Robert D. Ess
>
>OK, how about a letter writing/fax campaign to *thank* Paramount for
>making the right decision?
>
Although I reserve judgement on how effective the letter writing/fax campaign may have been
(it has been widely reported that Berman badly wanted a female lead *long* before the idea
of inundating Paramount with faxes and letters was spawned), the idea of *thanking* them
for the decision they made is spot on.
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I hate to mention it, but I'm pretty sure Genevieve Bujold was topless
in a scene in "Anne of a Thousand Days" :-) I think I'm sure cause I saw
the movie in high school and since I went to an all-girls school taught
by nuns, the scene caused a chorus of giggles and shocked looks from the
nuns <:-o+- On the other hand that movie could have been "Romeo and Juliet".
Has anyone seen "Anne of a Thousand Days" recently?
Edna Mueller muel...@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca
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Timothy W. Lynch
>Well, you can stop the letter writing. :-) Variety's Army Archard reports
>that the captain of the U.S.S. Voyager has been cast.
>Congratulations. It's a girl.
>Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
>probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COMA.
And a hearty "whew!" was heard.
Having looked at the filmography, I realize that I've never seen any of
Bujold's work, but her credentials look quite impressive. Good job, P'mount.
Tim Lynch
Timothy W. Lynch
>OK, how about a letter writing/fax campaign to *thank* Paramount for
>making the right decision?
Sounds like a plan -- but someone else can run this one. I'm exhausted.
:-)
Tim Lynch
-SLM-
tly...@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>Having looked at the filmography, I realize that I've never seen any of
>Bujold's work, but her credentials look quite impressive. Good job, P'mount.
>
>Tim Lynch
I wonder if she comes with the Channel no.5 bottle
stuck to her head? That would look sorta "alien."
-SLM-
Rudeboy
>
>In article <34060f$a...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
>tly...@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>
>>Bujold's work, but her credentials look quite impressive. Good job, P'mount.
>
>stuck to her head? That would look sorta "alien."
I hope not. Here in Sacramento, we get Trek on Channel no. 40. In fact,
Channel no. 5 is a CBS affiliate...
--Charlie
Matthew Newman
Having looked at the filmography, I realize that I've never seen any of
Having seen this comment already a few times...
Well, if I might then, I would strongly recommend two of her films
from the mid-eighties (although I've liked her in everything I've
seen): TROUBLE IN MIND and TIGHTROPE. The first is a terrific
futuristic/retro/film noir (it's a bit hard to categorize), which
would be worth seeing if only for Divine's only male role (I think).
Bujold plays the former love of the main character, and she is
fantastic. IMHO, this is one of the best films of the eighties.
The second is a pretty interesting Clint Eastwood vehicle, which
costars Bujold as a psychologist who helps Eastwood's character deal
with his problems that hamper his search for a serial killer.
I think these two films might help give an idea what kind of captain
Bujold will make. In general, Bujold has played some strong and sexy
female roles; I think she is an excellent choice for the new captain.
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Janis Maria C. C. Cortese
>Well, you can stop the letter writing. :-) Variety's Army Archard reports
>that the captain of the U.S.S. Voyager has been cast.
>
>Congratulations. It's a girl.
>
>Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
>probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COMA.
>
>Methinks they done good.
Methinks I agree. Oh, cool . . .
:-),
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>Denny Atkin (den...@char.vnet.net) wrote:
>: Congratulations. It's a girl.
>: Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
>: probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COMA.
>: Methinks they done good.
>
>and they've all seemed very flat. She strikes me as having an exceptionally
>dull screen presence. This camper isn't too happy, but, what the hell, I'll
>go in with an open mind and give her a chance before I make up my mind
>whether Paramount made a good decision or not.
Of all the people around -- why HER? I have no problems with an older woman
being cast, but WHY didn't they take Lindsey Wagner for God's sake!!!
This should be interesting. They obviously hired for a GOOD reason that many
of us are not aware of. If some film experts out there could enlighten us on
her career and and GOOD roles she has had?
Finally. A woman as Captain!
Yeah!!
LL+P,
Sashi German
Philadelphia, PA Star Trek Club (Starfleet)
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Bernie Roehl
-SLM- <ECZ...@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> wrote:
> in reference to Genevieve Bujold
>I wonder if she comes with the Channel no.5 bottle
>stuck to her head? That would look sorta "alien."
You're confusing Genevieve Bujold with Catherine Deneuve. Deneuve is French,
Bujold is French Canadian.
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About as long as it takes us to raid the local video store for "Coma."
Douglas Hayden
Since my feelings about 'Voyager' can be summed up as 'Star Trek: Lost In
Space' (where's Johnathan Harris when you need him? ;). I personally don't
care about who gets to play the captain. I'll be more busy watching
'Generations' and new episodes of DS9.
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>In article <CvCz9...@ucdavis.edu>, Rudeboy <ez01...@dale.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>>Paulo A. Pereira writes:
>>>
>>>How long do you all think it will take for the first
>>>wave of "Genevieve Bujold -- NUDE!" posts to appear?
>>
>>You know, my friend told me that Captain Janeway used to be a porno star
>>back in the early seventies....
>
>Before or after her marriage to Gene Coon Roddenberry?
And how can she be captain with only one leg?
>This could get old fast. :-)
Jeff, it was old when electricity was new.
:-P,
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Larry Shapiro
Ed Hall (ha...@mv.us.adobe.com) wrote:
: OK, how about a letter writing/fax campaign to *thank* Paramount for
: making the right decision?
As someone who has followed Ms. Bujold's career since 1976 when I first
saw Obsession, I am beyond ecstatic at Paramount's choice of her as
Captain in Star Trek: Voyager. The lady has paid her dues for a long
time, and not only has she been one of the most consistent quality
actresses of the past 3 decades, she has often given up roles that would
have made her a 'name' for lesser roles that required real acting. If
you can find a copy of Kamouraska (1973), check out her performance.
Regarding the letter writing/fax campaign to Paramount, I think it's a
good idea. Count me in.
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Larry Shapiro
: OK, how about a letter writing/fax campaign to *thank* Paramount for
: making the right decision?
As someone who has followed Ms. Bujold's career since 1976 when I first
Kevin Kenney
(also mentioning the flood of requests). Since ET is a Paramount
production, I'd call this confirmation.
I wonder if Ms. Bujold goes by the nickname Gene...
Thomas Bagwell
: I'm very happy about this news. I'm not really familiar with Genevieve
: Bujold so I'll have to reserve judgement on her acting ability but I found
...followed by...
: OK, how about a letter writing/fax campaign to *thank* Paramount for
: making the right decision?
How can you know that Paramount made the right decision if you're not
familiar with the actress in question? I'd rather have a captain of
either gender who is right for the role than a female actor just because
she's female.
I'll wait and see, and then thank/blame Paramount as appropriate.
Tom B.
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>den...@char.vnet.net (Denny Atkin) writes:
>>Congratulations. It's a girl.
>And a hearty "whew!" was heard.
>Having looked at the filmography, I realize that I've never seen any of
>Bujold's work, but her credentials look quite impressive. Good job, P'mount.
Hell... good job, *Tim*. "Entertainment Tonight" made reference to loads
of faxes sent in by Trekkers pleading their case.
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>den...@char.vnet.net (Denny Atkin) writes:
>
>>Well, you can stop the letter writing. :-) Variety's Army Archard reports
>>that the captain of the U.S.S. Voyager has been cast.
>
>>Congratulations. It's a girl.
>
>>Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
>>probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COMA.
Awww, and I was so hoping it would be Cristina Applegate. :)
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Janis Maria C. C. Cortese
In article <3403sg$5...@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA> muel...@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca
(Edna Mueller) writes:
>In article <CvCz9...@ucdavis.edu>, Rudeboy <ez01...@dale.ucdavis.edu>
wrote:
>>Paulo A. Pereira writes:
>>>
>>>How long do you all think it will take for the first
>>>wave of "Genevieve Bujold -- NUDE!" posts to appear?
>>
>>You know, my friend told me that Captain Janeway used to be a porno star
>>back in the early seventies....
>>
>>--Charlie
>>
>
>I hate to mention it, but I'm pretty sure Genevieve Bujold was topless
>in a scene in "Anne of a Thousand Days" :-) I think I'm sure cause I saw
>the movie in high school and since I went to an all-girls school taught
>by nuns, the scene caused a chorus of giggles and shocked looks from the
>nuns <:-o+- On the other hand that movie could have been "Romeo and Juliet".
I like the little crucifix on the nun smiley, BTW, but I'm dreading
seeing these posted to the net.
You mean *GASP!* GENEVIEVE BUJOLD HAS TITS?!?! Imagine that!
Obviously, the nuns couldn't. :-)
Regards,
DHartung
German) writes:
>Of all the people around -- why HER? I have no problems with an older
woman
>being cast, but WHY didn't they take Lindsey Wagner for God's sake!!!
>This should be interesting. They obviously hired for a GOOD reason that
many
>of us are not aware of. If some film experts out there could enlighten us
on
>her career and and GOOD roles she has had?
Berman is sitting back in his chair smoking a cigar, when suddenly he
awakens
from his reverie and barks at his secretary, a platinum blonde figurine
perched
precariously on her chair filing her nails just outside his office,
"Wagner!
Get me Wagner!"
With a nasal Betty Boop sound effect she repeats this command to one of
several
young men sitting on a bench across from her own desk.
With a snappy simulation of a salute, one of the pages replies, "Right-o,
chief!
Have her here in a jiffy!" He turns to the kid next to him, obviously
relying on
some mysterious internal pecking order, and directs him, "You scare me up
a studio limo -- " and he taps down the line one by one " -- you get
somebody
from legal to draw up a contract -- you make sure the commissary sends up
some coffee, good coffee, not that instant crap -- and you check with her
agent to make sure she doesn't have any outstanding contracts. Make him
break 'em if necessary -- Berman don't take no guff from no one!"
* * *
Alternate timeline aborted ...
C'mon, folks. So many people have posted for weeks along the lines of: it
should
be Shelby, it should be Ro, it should be Lindsay Wagner, it shouldn't be
Patsy
Kensit, the only choice is Mr Mott, etc. etc. etc. All the time it depends
on so
many factors, but comes down to this: is there an actress willing to take
the
role that they are willing to hire at a mutually-agreeable price?
I take the rumor that Wagner read for the role at face value: she had a
shot,
if she wanted it, and they thought she'd be good for it. What else could
we
ever expect?
Janis Maria C. C. Cortese
>>Paulo A. Pereira writes:
>>>
>>>How long do you all think it will take for the first
>>>wave of "Genevieve Bujold -- NUDE!" posts to appear?
>>
>>You know, my friend told me that Captain Janeway used to be a porno star
>>back in the early seventies....
>>
>>--Charlie
>>
>
>I hate to mention it, but I'm pretty sure Genevieve Bujold was topless
>in a scene in "Anne of a Thousand Days" :-) I think I'm sure cause I saw
>the movie in high school and since I went to an all-girls school taught
>by nuns, the scene caused a chorus of giggles and shocked looks from the
>nuns <:-o+- On the other hand that movie could have been "Romeo and Juliet".
I like the little crucifix on the nun smiley, BTW, but I'm dreading
Larry Shapiro
Thomas Bagwell (tbag...@netcom.com) wrote:
: How can you know that Paramount made the right decision if you're not
: familiar with the actress in question? I'd rather have a captain of
: either gender who is right for the role than a female actor just because
: she's female.
While it's true that no one can tell if a decision is the right one up
front, I have seen most of Genevieve Bujold's films, and quite often she
has displayed a certain knack for playing strong-willed female
characters, a good example of which can be seen in Anne Of The Thousand
Days when she tells off Henry VIII near the end of the film. BTW, she was
nominated for an Academy Award for her performance in that film. IMHO, I
think Ms. Bujold will make an interesting Captain...
Larry Shapiro
Kevin Kenney (ken...@netcom.com) wrote:
: Tuesday's 'Entertainment Tonight' reported Bujold for Voyager Captain,
: (also mentioning the flood of requests). Since ET is a Paramount
: production, I'd call this confirmation.
Out of curiousity, does anyone possibly have any info on who else
Paramount was considering for the role of Captain, and why they decided on
Genevieve Bujold.
Thanks
Dave Parry
: den...@char.vnet.net (Denny Atkin) writes:
: Tim Lynch
Believe it or not Tim I feel the same. My 'fear' of a woman captain
was to get some gung-ho, tits-an-ass, Charlie's Angel's clone thrust
upon us, who would hog the spotlight for all the wrong reasons (i.e.
Shelby from BOBW)
G.B. is an excellent choice. She'll bring maturity, believability and
not a little glamour too, but in a way that should satisfy all points
on the political compass.
BTW, the best performance I saw from G.B. was in Deadringers with
Jeremy Irons - check it out.
Dave
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Greg Henderson
|> Hmm...yet another captain with a French background...
|>
|> Since my feelings about 'Voyager' can be summed up as 'Star Trek: Lost In
|> Space' (where's Johnathan Harris when you need him? ;). I personally don't
|> care about who gets to play the captain. I'll be more busy watching
|> 'Generations' and new episodes of DS9.
|>
I'll wait till I've seen a few episodes before passing judgement.
Greg.
U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
blood pressures and temperatures start to rise, I tell you why I think
so. It is definitely not because she is a woman. It is because she is/was
at one time a well known MOVIE actress first, not some relatively unknown
actress.
My fears -- the first season will go well and Voyager will be popular.
GB's agent starts seeing her "marketablity" rise and gets ideas. He advises
her that she is underpaid for doing Voyager and she should get a raise.
Meanwhile, her increased visability causes other producers to consider her
for lead roles in their movies. ("Hey, this GB chick can bring the Trek crowd
into the seats! Automatic 40,000,000 tickets!! Let's do lunch and ink this
deal.") Rumors start flying about a replacement. The show's continuity
suffers. Paramount gets nervous and quietly start the replacement machinery.
They announce the replacement of GB with some other female lead, but one
without as many high profile movie credits as GB.
Denise Crosby and Michelle Forbes all jumped 'starship' when it looked like
their careers could be enhanced. Of course, neither were the central
character (or among the central characters -- Crosby leaving after only
a few shows).
It will be interesting to see how Babylon 5 handles the loss of Michael O'Hare
("Commander Sinclair"). This is a case of a replacement, Bruce Boxleitner,
having more name recognition than his predecessor.
I hope that I am wrong and that we will be seeing GB as the captain of
the Voyager for at least the next 7 seasons.
Terry
U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
alan.randolph.holland
In an earlier message, "Terry" wrote: "IMHO, the casting of
Genevieve Bujold is a *BIG* mistake. . . . It is definitely
not because she is a woman. It is because she is/was
at one time a well known MOVIE actress first, not some
relatively unknown actress. My fears -- the first season
will go well and Voyager will be popular. GB's agent
starts seeing her "marketablity" rise and gets ideas."
The problem with the scenario which follows (GB leaves
the show in search of more $$) is that GB will be signed,
as was Denise Crosby, as was Michael O'Hare, to a contract
renewable at Paramount's option for AT LEAST 5 years. She
may very well do movies during the summer -- heck, she may
even get time off to do some during the regular season --
but she will be contractually bound to the show and unless
Berman & Co. WANT her to go or AGREE that she can go, she
will be staying where she is. Or will be. (Wait, is
this a temporal anomoly??)
Robert D. Ess
>You're confusing Genevieve Bujold with Catherine Deneuve. Deneuve is French,
>Bujold is French Canadian.
>
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It will be interesting to see how Babylon 5 handles the loss of Michael O'Hare
("Commander Sinclair"). This is a case of a replacement, Bruce Boxleitner,
having more name recognition than his predecessor.
Terry
U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
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Don't post that in the B5 group or you will get net.wacked. Do you even read
any of the posts in the B5 group? You should have before posting what
you did.
Usenet- The net of a million lies
I guess it is true.
LucPicard
writes:
>>My fears -- the first season will go well and Voyager will be popular.
GB's agent starts seeing her "marketablity" rise and gets ideas. He
advises
her that she is underpaid for doing Voyager and she should get a raise.
Hmm. Nice thought - but I would bet WRONG.
The DS9 cast was all signed at multi-year contracts which set salary and
movie options and contract extention options...
The TNG cast was signed with short contracts- that were extended after a
short amount of time (it was November of the first year when the second
season was given the green light)... This is because nobody trusted
Roddenberry all that much that he could do it again (and in fact- it was
Berman that did it again)
Any moron cast director could figure out that Patrick Stewart's star would
rise and take him beyond the small screen- yet Paramount was able to keep
him for 7 seasons... As far as the Yar deal- she sucked! she was the
worst part of the 1st season, and she was killed with no honor- just what
she deserved- also Worf was to be a recurring character- not a regular,
but when they discovered how popular he was and how good he could play
Klingon he was made regular and adios Crosby.
I would bet that Genevieve Bujold was signed to 3-4 years minimum. She
won't have the option of leaving because she wants more money until that
contract is up.
Luc
Lloyd R. Parker
: Denny Atkin (den...@char.vnet.net) wrote:
: : Congratulations. It's a girl.
: I am pleased about that.
: : Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
: : probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COMA.
: : Methinks they done good.
: Sorry, I can't agree with you here. I've seen several of her performances
: and they've all seemed very flat. She strikes me as having an exceptionally
: dull screen presence. This camper isn't too happy, but, what the hell, I'll
: go in with an open mind and give her a chance before I make up my mind
: whether Paramount made a good decision or not.
: Sam
I thought she was quite good in "Coma." Unfortunately, that's the only
thing I can remember seeing her in.
Matthew Newman
IMHO, the casting of Genevieve Bujold is a *BIG* mistake [...] because
she is/was at one time a well known MOVIE actress first, not some
relatively unknown actress.
My fears -- the first season will go well and Voyager will be popular.
GB's agent starts seeing her "marketablity" rise and gets ideas. He advises
her that she is underpaid for doing Voyager and she should get a raise.
[...] Paramount gets nervous and quietly start the replacement machinery.
They announce the replacement of GB with some other female lead, but one
without as many high profile movie credits as GB.
This is a reasonable fear, but I think under the circumstances it is
probably greatly exagerrated. I like Bujold, but the fact is that
there aren't very many parts for an actress at age 52. This can be
seen in her filmography--she hasn't made many movies since DEAD
RINGERS (1988). I don't think this is going to change much even if
Voyager makes her better known--she might get a couple movies as a
result, but it's hard to see her getting so many offers that it would
be worth it for her to leave.
All in all, what a choice! Now here's hoping that the scripts will do
her justice (as opposed, unfortunately, to the short shrift Avery
Brooks has gotten so far).
--
Matt Newman
CIRES/CDC m...@noaacdc.colorado.edu
U. of Colorado
Gina Goff
>blood pressures and temperatures start to rise, I tell you why I think
>so. It is definitely not because she is a woman. It is because she is/was
>at one time a well known MOVIE actress first, not some relatively unknown
>actress.
her work or don't know who she is...
>My fears -- the first season will go well and Voyager will be popular.
>GB's agent starts seeing her "marketablity" rise and gets ideas. He advises
>her that she is underpaid for doing Voyager and she should get a raise.
>Meanwhile, her increased visability causes other producers to consider her
>for lead roles in their movies. ("Hey, this GB chick can bring the Trek crowd
>into the seats! Automatic 40,000,000 tickets!! Let's do lunch and ink this
>deal.") Rumors start flying about a replacement. The show's continuity
>suffers. Paramount gets nervous and quietly start the replacement machinery.
>They announce the replacement of GB with some other female lead, but one
>without as many high profile movie credits as GB.
I'm sorry, but I don't see why this argument is unique to Bujold or other
experienced movie actors. *Anyone* perceived as drawing a large audience
for _Voyager_ would be a hot property. A young unknown might be more
tempted to break her contract and succumb to the invitations of outside
producers. I expect Bujold will enjoy a tremendous amount of success in
this role, but I don't see why this should go to her head -- success is
certainly not a novel experience for her.
Gina
just another theatre geek
>Believe it or not Tim I feel the same. My 'fear' of a woman captain
>was to get some gung-ho, tits-an-ass, Charlie's Angel's clone thrust
>upon us, who would hog the spotlight for all the wrong reasons (i.e.
>Shelby from BOBW)
I think we can agree with this...This would be the WRONG kind of
casting decision (and in a major way....)
>G.B. is an excellent choice. She'll bring maturity, believability and
>not a little glamour too, but in a way that should satisfy all points
>on the political compass.
And also true (asnd I guess it didn't hurt that Ms. Bujold
started out as a Major Babe [and there are a lot of people who think she
is STILL a Major Babe])....
--
Roger Tang, gwan...@u.washington.edu, Artistic Director PC Theatre
The most unAmerican thing you can say is "He/she makes too much money."
B.J. Guillot
>My fears -- the first season will go well and Voyager will be popular.
>GB's agent starts seeing her "marketablity" rise and gets ideas. He advises
>her that she is underpaid for doing Voyager and she should get a raise.
>Meanwhile, her increased visability causes other producers to consider her
>for lead roles in their movies. ("Hey, this GB chick can bring the Trek crowd
>into the seats! Automatic 40,000,000 tickets!! Let's do lunch and ink this
>deal.") Rumors start flying about a replacement. The show's continuity
>suffers. Paramount gets nervous and quietly start the replacement machinery.
>They announce the replacement of GB with some other female lead, but one
>without as many high profile movie credits as GB.
>
However, if Voyager was to have to replace it's Captain, the only natural
replacement would be whoever is serving as first officer on the ship. Since
there out in space where only Q knows where, they would have to use someone
from the crew as a replacement.
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John Vogel
Date: Wed Aug 31 18:43:57 BST 1994
From: mo...@ibmpcug.co.uk
Subject: [Movie] ACTOR Bujold, Genevieve
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Actor/Actress Credits: Bujold, Genevieve
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Name:
Bujold, Genevieve
Birth Date:
1 July 1942, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Filmography as Actor:
Terre a Boire, La (1964)
Fleur de l'Age, La (1964)
King of Hearts (1966) [Coquelicot]
(aka Roi de Coeur, Le)
Thief of Paris, The (1967)
(aka Voleur (1967), Le)
Voleur, Le (1967)
Guerre est Finie, La (1967) [Nadine Sallanches]
Isabel (1968)
Anne of the Thousand Days (1969) (AAN) (GG) [Anne Boleyn]
Act of the Heart (1970)
Trojan Women, The (1971)
Journey (1972)
Kamouraska (1973)
Earthquake (1974)
Incorrigible, The (1975) [Marie-Charlotte]
(aka Incorrigible, L')
Obsession (1976) [Elizabeth Courtland/Sandra Portinari]
Alex and the Gypsy (1976)
(aka Love and Other Crimes)
Swashbuckler (1976)
Caesar and Cleopatra (1976) (TV)
Another Man, Another Chance (1977)
(aka Autre Homme, une Autre Chance, Un)
Coma (1978) [Doctor Susan Wheeler]
Murder by Decree (1979) [Annie Crook]
Last Flight of Noah's Ark, The (1980)
Final Assignment (1980) [Nicole Thomson]
Mistress of Paradise (1981) (TV) [Elizabeth Beaufort]
Monsignor (1982)
Choose Me (1984) [Doctor Nancy Love]
Tightrope (1984) [Beryl Thibodeaux]
Trouble in Mind (1985) [Wanda]
Moderns, The (1988) [Libby Valentin]
Dead Ringers (1988) [Claire Niveau]
Red Earth, White Earth (1989) (TV)
(aka Snake Treaty (TV))
Paper Wedding, A (1990)
False Identity (1990)
Oh, What a Night (1992) [Eva]
Ambush of Ghosts, An (1993) [Irene Betts]
Mon Amie Max (1994) [Marie-Alexandrine Babant (Max)]
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Rudeboy
>
>Jeffrey W. McKeough writes:
>>Rudeboy wrote:
>>>Paulo A. Pereira writes:
>>>>
>>>>How long do you all think it will take for the first
>>>>wave of "Genevieve Bujold -- NUDE!" posts to appear?
>>>
>>>You know, my friend told me that Captain Janeway used to be a porno star
>>>back in the early seventies....
>>
>
>And how can she be captain with only one leg?
It's not easy, but she gives it her all because Martin Luther King, Jr.,
advised her not to give up.
--Charlie
Robert Trifts
>How long do you all think it will take for the first
>wave of "Genevieve Bujold -- NUDE!" posts to appear?
>
>8^)
>
>-Paulo
>
About one hour.
eni...@dorsai.org
: How long do you all think it will take for the first
: wave of "Genevieve Bujold -- NUDE!" posts to appear?
: 8^)
: -Paulo
Or discussions of who has the bigger breasts. UGHH!!!!
Victor
no one of consequence
Just curious.. =)
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In article <33ufri$1...@terrazzo.lm.com>,
Frank Mancuso <rel...@telerama.lm.com> wrote:
>
> Genevieve Bujold is a good choice, I agree. She brings an
>interest to both male and female viewers. Her accent will set her
>apart.
> I wonder if she will be "human"?
and Jeffrey said:
> Yes. But her character will be British. ;-)
Gentlefolks, if you made the slightest attempt to peruse Ms Bujold's bio
you would realise that she is in fact Quebecois. It is unlikely that PAR
will make her British.
Besides, don't you monoglots realise that a funny accent does not make
all non-Americans British, most of us use English as an international
language, and of course, to politely include you folks in the conversation.
Slan is Beir Buadh
John (in English)
Scott J Gorcey
>blood pressures and temperatures start to rise, I tell you why I think
>so. It is definitely not because she is a woman. It is because she is/was
>at one time a well known MOVIE actress first, not some relatively unknown
>actress.
I'm not sure Bujold was ever a well-known movie actor...
I read the sheet someone posted on her and not only did
I not recognize most of her credits (esp. the french-
language films) but of the ones I _did_ recollect, I
had only seen COMA and DEAD RINGERS... I can't picture
her... and didn't even know her name before today.
Again, I'm not sure, but I don't think she was ever
a well known movie actress...
>My fears -- the first season will go well and Voyager will be popular.
>GB's agent starts seeing her "marketablity" rise and gets ideas. He advises
>her that she is underpaid for doing Voyager and she should get a raise.
>Meanwhile, her increased visability causes other producers to consider her
>for lead roles in their movies. ("Hey, this GB chick can bring the Trek crowd
>into the seats! Automatic 40,000,000 tickets!! Let's do lunch and ink this
>deal.")
I think your fears are implausible. This kind of logic is
NOT part and parcel of every actor and actress in the world,
or even every actor or actress working in L.A.. In Bujold's
case, her sheet indicates this is NOT a hollywood actress.
She's spent most of her career doing independant films...not
known for their huge paychecks nor their wide-distribution...
BTW, I'm not sure where you get the idea that Star Trek actors
are, or ever were, hot properties in the eyes of casting directors.
Quite the reverse has been true for the TOS actors, and I seriously
doubt we'll be seeing John Frakes or Gates McFadden popping up in
many high-profile movies because they "can draw forty million
star trek fans." According to your logic, Patrick Stewart should
have just signed a six picture pay-or-play deal... note that he's
doing a scracth-wage role in the movie version of the off-b'way
play JEFFREY. Actually, according to your logic, Patrick would
have left the series years ago to sign such a contract...
Rumors start flying about a replacement. The show's continuity
>suffers. Paramount gets nervous and quietly start the replacement machinery.
>They announce the replacement of GB with some other female lead, but one
>without as many high profile movie credits as GB.
Your implausible scenario has taken a turn for the
completely fictional.... In the first place, Star
Trek is NOT NYPD BLUE. In the second, VOYAGER is
guaranteed at least 100 episodes--the minimum usually
required to strip rerun a series every night, where
the real profits start coming in--so every actor and
actress being offered a role is being offered something
extremely rare in acting: a steady paycheck.
>Denise Crosby and Michelle Forbes all jumped 'starship' when it looked like
>their careers could be enhanced. Of course, neither were the central
>character (or among the central characters -- Crosby leaving after only
>a few shows).
>
These are two separate cases. Crosby DID intend to focus on her
film career, and was let out of her contract, but the split was
amicable and to hear Crosby tell it, she left because the writing
sucked... Will anyone dispute that?
Forbes was never a contracted player on TNG--although Berman
and Piller... and viewers... would have liked nothing better.
BTW, I'd dispute that her career received any significant boost
because of Star Trek... indeed, the actress has only appeared
prominently in one studio feature since then, KALIFORNIA, as
a supporting character.
>It will be interesting to see how Babylon 5 handles the loss of Michael O'Hare
>("Commander Sinclair"). This is a case of a replacement, Bruce Boxleitner,
>having more name recognition than his predecessor.
>
I didn't know that Boxleitner was replacing O'Hare... at least
Boxleitner can act ... better ... but that's off-topic.
>I hope that I am wrong and that we will be seeing GB as the captain of
>the Voyager for at least the next 7 seasons.
>
Every care is taken to cast the best people for the roles...
as much as is possible... and part of that is the actor's
commitment to DOING the series, seeing it through weak and
strong, et al... I doubt the veracity of your image of
Bujold.
Scott
>Terry
>U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
Dale Wedge
In a previous article, ber...@cs.utk.edu (Lance Bernard) says:
>I hope to be the first to suggest, in this august forum, that should
>she have disciplinary problems with a crew member (particularly one
>called "Spider"), she might consider shooting him, accidentally on
>purpose....
>
>(Anyone else remember the early Sat. Nite Live skit about the "Genevieve
>Bujold Invitational Ski Tournament," in which overdubbed skiing
>footage has all the entries falling down as they are "accidentally
>shot by Genevieve Bujold"? One guy almost goes down, but makes it
>back up; the second shot puts him down for good. It is *very* well
>done.
>
>I can hardly wait to hear the fan questions for her at her first Con!)
>
>Oh, and to show my age a bit further, she was formerly married to
>crooner Andy Williams. I think they had at least one child, though
>I am not certain of that. I seem to remember a publicity shot of her
>(circa mid-late '70's?) holding an infant, sitting way back in the
>rear seat of a multi-seat, stretch limo *convertible*, if you can
>believe it.
>
>And, yes, I think she can be a fine actress. Most critics seem to
>think so.
>
Wrong, that was Claudine Longet. The actress that you are talking
about starred in the move "Coma."
Alan D Earhart
Well, it looks like I'm the one that should be net.wacked. It's been brought
to my attention through email that I was reading far too much into the
portion of the post that I commented on (I agree).
So, I retract the post that my evil twin Zippy made and promise to try
to make the net a kinder, gentler place to play in. Oh, apologies to
Terry about this........ :(
Blanche Cohen
Catherine Deneuve....perhaps the classiest of class. Be still my heart.....
Maybe Paramount will invite her to be a guest? First class travel and hotel
from France isn't that much for an actor of her stature. Not only class,
but elegant. Defintely in the same category as Sophia Loren.
--
bc
"It might be interesting to explore useless for a while" [DS9]
"Chocolate is a serious business" [TNG]
Blanche Cohen
Denise Crosby and Michelle Forbes all jumped 'starship' when it looked like
their careers could be enhanced. Of course, neither were the central
The major difference is neither Crosby nor Forbes were established actors in
either medium. Bujold IS an established actress in film. She is more than
casually familiar with the rules of the game in the entertainment industry.
This means that she understands what "Contract" means. And if she doesn't
understand the long-term commitment to Star Trek, I'm sure someone has
explained it to her.
And if it doesn't work? So what. Just means we go thru this all over again
in a finite period of time. Sure beats cleaning house or studying for
Phud exams!
Blanche Cohen
Uh....you're thinking of someone else. Bujold was NEVER married to Andy
Williams nor did she ever live in Colorado - the scene of the shooting.
I forget the name of the woman, she had a short career as a singer (average)
but still lives up in the mountains here (aspen or vail, I forget).
You're thinking of Claudine Longet.
Christian Miemiec
But she is REALLY flat chested ... (-)
(Just a little joke from an uninlightened male...)
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>Wrong, that was Claudine Longet. The actress that you are talking
>about starred in the move "Coma."
Damn! You're right. I guess pride *does* go before a fall.
Uh...never mind!
Paul Roberts
:
: I'm sorry, but I don't see why this argument is unique to Bujold or other
: experienced movie actors. *Anyone* perceived as drawing a large audience
: for _Voyager_ would be a hot property. A young unknown might be more
: tempted to break her contract and succumb to the invitations of outside
: producers. I expect Bujold will enjoy a tremendous amount of success in
: this role, but I don't see why this should go to her head -- success is
: certainly not a novel experience for her.
I would have to agree. I cannot even remember what she looks like, but at
52, getting the role as a Star Trek lead has got to be a GREAT part for
the later half of your career. Gina is right, there are not too many good
parts for middle-aged women. All the hype goes to useless actesses like
Julia Roberts, when all the good acting is done by the older, more
experienced actesses. (by the way, does anyone have any idea why J.
Roberts is so popular...she is such a lousy actress...)
There is one more fact about drawing an audience that has been recently
ignored. Paramount is basing the beginning of their new network on ST.
Therefore, they need to ensure that the thing gets off to a great start
without the snags DS9 had. And do not get me wrong about DS9, because I
think the last season of DS9 kicked **** as whole over any season of TNG.
But DS9 is almost in a completely different class, and I think Voyager is
supposed to get back to that exploring thing. Well, they wont have a
choice. They will be stuck out there anyway.
I hope she does a good job. And I dont really care about what she did
before. One of the nice things about ST, is that the actors have usually
stood by their characters and returned when necessary (usually for
money).
Todd M. Swan
>>From: j...@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Jeffrey W. McKeough)
>In article <33ufri$1...@terrazzo.lm.com>,
>Frank Mancuso <rel...@telerama.lm.com> wrote:
>>
>>Genevieve Bujold is a good choice, I agree. She brings an
>>interest to both male and female viewers. Her accent will set her
>>apart.
>>I wonder if she will be "human"?
>and Jeffrey said:
>>Yes. But her character will be British. ;-)
>Gentlefolks, if you made the slightest attempt to peruse Ms Bujold's bio
>you would realise that she is in fact Quebecois. It is unlikely that PAR
>will make her British.
I think you missed the joke, John. Patrick Stewart, an actor with a
British accent, has portrayed Jean-Luc Picard, a French captain. So
the natural joke that follows is that Genevieve Bujold, an actor with
a French accent, would portray a British captain. Get it?
Todd
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U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
Randolph Holland, Jr.) says:
>The problem with the scenario which follows (GB leaves
>the show in search of more $$) is that GB will be signed,
>as was Denise Crosby, as was Michael O'Hare, to a contract
>renewable at Paramount's option for AT LEAST 5 years. She
>may very well do movies during the summer -- heck, she may
>even get time off to do some during the regular season --
>but she will be contractually bound to the show and unless
>Berman & Co. WANT her to go or AGREE that she can go, she
>will be staying where she is. Or will be. (Wait, is
>this a temporal anomoly??)
Excuse me??? I didn't see Denise Crosby as a regular in the the first
5 years of ST:TNG. Maybe I missed something while watching it every
night. Of course, she did come back as Sela, and as Tasha in flashback.
I have no inside information if that was her choice, Berman's choice or
due to legal wrangling over her "5 year contract."
Michael O'Hare is leaving the B5 series after this season. Check out
the B5 news groups for threads about this fact, including comments from
JMS himself.
Gee, those 5 year contracts sure keep 'em on the shows.
Terry
U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
Alan,
I suggest you attempt to contact J. Micheal Straczynski, creator and writer
of B5. I won't give out his e-mail address, but if you are a regular
reader of the B5 news group, you will know what that address is.
Then I suggest you write him and politely inquire about O'Hare's leaving
and about Boxleitner replacing him. If you are nice, he might answer you.
Or, you can re-read the hundreds of posts that were written relative to the
fact that Boxleitner ("Col. John Sheridan" in next season's B5) will indeed
replace O'Hare.
"Lies"????? Hmmmmmmm. No comment.
Terry
U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
Robert Trifts
GI...@ricevm1.rice.edu (Gina Goff) wrote:
>In article <94243.062...@uicvm.uic.edu>
><U16...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>Actually, I've been surprised by the number of people
>who haven't seen her work or don't know who she is...
>>My fears -- the first season will go well and Voyager
>will be popular.GB's agent starts seeing her "marketablity"
rise and
>gets ideas. He advises her that she is underpaid for doing
Voyager and she should get a raise. Meanwhile, her increased
visability causes other
>producers to consider her for lead roles in their movies.
("Hey, this GB chick can bring the Trek crowd into the seats!
Automatic 40,000,000 tickets!! Let's do lunch and ink this
deal.") Rumors start flying about a replacement. The show's
continuity suffers. Paramount gets nervous and quietly start
the replacement machinery. They announce the replacement of GB
with some other female lead, but one without as many high
profile movie credits as GB. {..}
>
>I'm sorry, but I don't see why this argument is unique
>to Bujold or other experienced movie actors. *Anyone*
>perceived as drawing a large audience for _Voyager_
>would be a hot property. A young unknown might be more
> tempted to break her contract and succumb to the
>invitations of outside producers. I expect Bujold
>will enjoy a tremendous amount of success in this
>role, but I don't see why this should go to her head --
>success is certainly not a novel experience for her.
Genevieve Bujold has been a marginally successful screen
actress. She is not a "name" in Hollywood, while nominated fior
an academy award, that was 25 years ago. Her name on a Marquis
is not in any way an advantage to any film. Fact is, her career
hass been dying for some time.
This does not comment on the quality of her acting skills. She
may indeed be an excellent actress - but a star she is not.
That she may become one due to ST:Voyager is a given.
AKIS, RICHARD JOHN
>In an earlier message, "Terry" wrote: "IMHO, the casting of
>Genevieve Bujold is a *BIG* mistake. . . . It is definitely
>not because she is a woman. It is because she is/was
>at one time a well known MOVIE actress first, not some
>relatively unknown actress. My fears -- the first season
>will go well and Voyager will be popular. GB's agent
>starts seeing her "marketablity" rise and gets ideas."
I think the important phrase here is "she is/was AT ONE TIME
a well known movie actress". People have been listing her
movie credits, and it seems to me that she hasn't done any movies
in several years. I suspect that this is probably related to the
well known fact that there are very few prominent movie roles
available for "mature" women (this is probably true for older
men as well, though less of a problem for them). At this point in her
career, somehow I think she is smart enough to know that it is better
to have the starring role in what will almost certainly be a hit
TV show, rather than taking chances on getting more films.
I think that rather than comparing her to "young hotshots" like Denise
Crosby or that guy from NYPD Blue, a more appropriate comparison
would be to people like Candice Bergen and Burt Reynolds, who have
had great success on TV "late" in their careers after being prominent
movie actors and are quite happy for it.
Richard A.
C.E.Carter
Just how sure are we about Ms Bujold ? I've read quite a few posts about
her appointment but not nearly as many as I would have expected.
Do I treat this as another (possibly firmer) rumour or is this an official
Paramount-type announcement ?
BTW I thought Ms Bujold was French or at least francophone Canadian and I've
seen a suggestion that she will be playing the part as British. Which would
be rather ironic if after 7 years of an Englishman playing a Frenchman we
get the exact opposite in nationality and gender.
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>Having looked at the filmography, I realize that I've never seen any of
>Bujold's work, but her credentials look quite impressive. Good job, P'mount.
>
>Tim Lynch
Well, if you want to see a movie with her in it. I would see "Choose Me". An
excellent film.
Joshua
Roma Isaacs
How right you are. Claudine Longet was married to Andy Williams, did
shoot her lover, a ski instructor, married her attorney, still lives in
Aspen and cannot act or sing her way out of a paper bag.
Genevieve Bujold, however, is a very talented actor, and it will be very
interesting to see her in "Voyager".
Roma Isaacs And yet there is only one great thing
isa...@mailer.fsu.edu The great thing
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And the light that fills the world.
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Janis Maria C. C. Cortese
no bearing whatsoever on his opinions -- then proceeds to state things
about her that would apply to any of the Trek leading men and brings up
the names of two woman characters as some sort of analogy.
You might not be consciously biased against her because she sits to pee,
but I think it's obvious that it has colored your opinion. There is
nothing at all to indicate that she is anything other than a perfect
choice. Bujold has a list of credentials as long as your arm -- and I
highly doubt anyone will be talking to her saying anything remotely like,
"This GB chick is hot!" anymore than PS's agent would have been telling
him to jump ship after he was called TV's hottest male sex symbol.
In short, you're griping meaninglessly. Again, you may not be
consciously aware of the fact that you are biased against her because of
her sex, but little comments like calling someone old enough to be your
mom a "chick" and comparing her to two other FEMALE characters
illustrate plainly that her gender is the reason you are griping. You
are displeased or nervous about it and looking for excuses to complain.
Calm down. Bujold's image is intelligent, powerful, and mature. She is
also, as a side benefit, quite pretty. I don't think anyone has ANY
reason to complain. The choice struck ME as being so perfect that I'm
shocked no one else thought of it. I'm dancing on the ceiling and
awaiting the premiere of "Voyager" on the edge of my seat. Either you
want to complain because she's female, or because with all the approving
posts, you feel that you "need" to be the dissenting voice -- or both.
Regards,
Janis the net.proud.hussy
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G Bell
>>My fears -- the first season will go well and Voyager will be popular.
>>GB's agent starts seeing her "marketablity" rise and gets ideas. He advises
>>her that she is underpaid for doing Voyager and she should get a raise.
>>Meanwhile, her increased visability causes other producers to consider her
>>for lead roles in their movies. ("Hey, this GB chick can bring the Trek crowd
>>into the seats! Automatic 40,000,000 tickets!! Let's do lunch and ink this
>>deal.") Rumors start flying about a replacement. The show's continuity
>>suffers. Paramount gets nervous and quietly start the replacement machinery.
>>They announce the replacement of GB with some other female lead, but one
>>without as many high profile movie credits as GB.
>
>{..}
>
>I'm sorry, but I don't see why this argument is unique to Bujold or other
>experienced movie actors. *Anyone* perceived as drawing a large audience
>for _Voyager_ would be a hot property. A young unknown might be more
>tempted to break her contract and succumb to the invitations of outside
>producers. I expect Bujold will enjoy a tremendous amount of success in
>this role, but I don't see why this should go to her head -- success is
>certainly not a novel experience for her.
What did Linda Hamilton do after the first season of Beauty and the
Beast she left. So there's no guarantee that Hamilton would have lasted
say 7 years, we just don't know. They could like Denise Crosby and do
absolutely nothing career-wise, in real terms she isn't and "A" listed
actress nor even a"B" listed one, and eventually she returned (they
should never have killed off her character IMHO). Let's all just wait
and see if she does or doesn't work I'm sure she not so egotistical that she
would continue past a certain point.
Graham
G Bell
>I think these two films might help give an idea what kind of captain
>Bujold will make. In general, Bujold has played some strong and sexy
>female roles; I think she is an excellent choice for the new captain.
Don't want to sound sexist, but she is one of the few actresses who is
genuinly beautiful without the need for tons of make-up on her face,
unlike most ofthe so-called beauties in the cinema at present: Stone, Basinger
et al. Also she is experienced enough to lend weight to her role and be
a mature character that the younger characters can take confidence from.
Graham
John Hoare jmh60@ail.amdahl.com
>
>I'm sorry, but I don't see why this argument is unique
>to Bujold or other experienced movie actors. *Anyone*
>perceived as drawing a large audience for _Voyager_
>would be a hot property. A young unknown might be more
> tempted to break her contract and succumb to the
>invitations of outside producers. I expect Bujold
>will enjoy a tremendous amount of success in this
>role, but I don't see why this should go to her head --
>success is certainly not a novel experience for her.
:Genevieve Bujold has been a marginally successful screen
:actress. She is not a "name" in Hollywood, while nominated fior
:an academy award, that was 25 years ago. Her name on a Marquis
:is not in any way an advantage to any film. Fact is, her career
:hass been dying for some time.
Robert there's no need to be so insular, so parochial - do you
subscribe to the Monroe Doctrine? :-)
Ms Bujold is still regarded as a big name in the polyglot
world beyond US borders, as are many actors of both sexes and
various ages whose command of English prevents them from working
in Hollywood, but whose talent makes them invaluable to the
majority, non-English/American speaking, world of cinema and
television entertainment.
Also, a small point about where to put Ms Bujold's name -
A Marquis is a French or British titled nobleman, ranking above
a Count, equivalent to an Earl and below a Duke. To my knowledge
if "Genevieve Bujold" was tattooed on such a person's hide it
would never be seen! :-). A marquee on the other hand is a fancy
tent used as a temporary shelter for entertainment, or the awning
over the entrance to a cinema or theatre. Therefore, you are
right, while Ms Bujold's name inscribed on a Marquis would be of
use to nobody except the National Enquirer (sp?) (you do subscribe I
assume?), it might possibly draw attention if displayed on
a marquee, which is where one would expect to find the name of
an actor of Ms Bujold's calibre.
Bon Chance Ami!
John
Melanie Fletcher
> Well, you can stop the letter writing. :-) Variety's Army Archard reports
> that the captain of the U.S.S. Voyager has been cast.
>
> Congratulations. It's a girl.
>
> Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
> probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COM
A.
YES! Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes! *add obligatory hand jerk down and knee
jerk up here*
> Methinks they done good.
Methinks Rick Berman deserves a bloody medal for holding out AND getting a
superior actress. Maybe we should start a letter campaign THANKING them
for this intelligent choice. Hey, it never hurts to be polite.
MMF
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> Denny Atkin (den...@char.vnet.net) wrote:
> : Well, you can stop the letter writing. :-) Variety's Army Archard reports
>
> : Congratulations. It's a girl.
>
> : Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
> : probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COMA.
>
>
> : --
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> : "I have not yet begun to procrastinate..."
>
> Genevieve Bujold is a good choice, I agree. She brings an
> interest to both male and female viewers. Her accent will set her
> apart.
> I wonder if she will be "human"?
> Frank Mancuso Constantly fascinated
> rel...@telerama.LM.com by the world around us
WRONG!!! As of last week, the captin had not been cast because they studio did
not want a female captin. It will most likly be changed they said, before
shooting starts. The cast sounds really lame!
Shawn William Miller
|> WRONG!!! As of last week, the captin had not been cast because they studio did
|> not want a female captin. It will most likly be changed they said, before
|> shooting starts. The cast sounds really lame!
|>
Source? You are highly outnumbered on this point. In fact there is a posting
on r.a.s.t.info listing the entire cast.
Live Long and Prosper,
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Shawn William Miller <sh...@samwise.colorado.edu> wrote:
>In article <1994Sep...@acad.drake.edu>, krw...@acad.drake.edu writes:
>|> not want a female captin. It will most likly be changed they said, before
>|> shooting starts. The cast sounds really lame!
>on r.a.s.t.info listing the entire cast.
Well, given that it's on PR Newswire, which is the official
source of press releases from the major corporations like Paramount, it's
pretty damn well cast in stone....
Nick Locarno, hm......
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U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
Cortese) says:
>
>I find it amusing that the original author says that Bujold's gender has
>no bearing whatsoever on his opinions -- then proceeds to state things
>about her that would apply to any of the Trek leading men and brings up
>the names of two woman characters as some sort of analogy.
>
Patrick Stewart or William Shatner as well known as Bujold when they
were cast for the lead roles? I don't recall either of them being
Academy Award nominees when they were cast.
>You might not be consciously biased against her because she sits to pee,
>but I think it's obvious that it has colored your opinion. There is
>nothing at all to indicate that she is anything other than a perfect
I think your posting shows the whole networld who really has the biased
sexists opinions -- but that was obvious from the first postings of
yours that I ever read, you proud net hussy you!
>choice. Bujold has a list of credentials as long as your arm -- and I
>highly doubt anyone will be talking to her saying anything remotely like,
>"This GB chick is hot!" anymore than PS's agent would have been telling
>him to jump ship after he was called TV's hottest male sex symbol.
>
The "GB is hot" was satirical, ala Doonesbury's "Boopsie and Sid"
dealings. Now I realize I should have explained that.
>In short, you're griping meaninglessly. Again, you may not be
>consciously aware of the fact that you are biased against her because of
>her sex, but little comments like calling someone old enough to be your
>mom a "chick" and comparing her to two other FEMALE characters
>illustrate plainly that her gender is the reason you are griping. You
>are displeased or nervous about it and looking for excuses to complain.
Does anyone else on the net recall Janice and the other SEFEB members
postings when that "group" first formed? I seem to recall "stud" and
"hunk" in reference to Sadiq El Fadil. But I guess that it is ok for
you to use those words in reference to a male.
My gripes may be meaningless, that is true. You may or may not be
conscious of the fact that your shout bias or prejudice against almost
everyone with whom you disagree. Do you read and re-read your own posts?
Again, the "chick" comment was to be take in context. But I guess that
seems to have escaped you, which doesn't surprise me.
As for Bujold being someone who is twice as old as I am --
Just how old am I, Janice? Do you know? Are you making another
wrong assumption and assertion? Again, that doesn't surprise me.
As for the two other characters I compared her to supposedly showing a
gender bias -- Janice, please, tell the networld which actor of the
male gender had declined to continue his appearance on ST:TNG in a
manner similar to the way Crosby and Forbes declined. I will be happy
to include that name in any future comparisons I may happen to make.
>Calm down. Bujold's image is intelligent, powerful, and mature. She is
>also, as a side benefit, quite pretty. I don't think anyone has ANY
>reason to complain. The choice struck ME as being so perfect that I'm
>shocked no one else thought of it. I'm dancing on the ceiling and
awaiting the premiere of "Voyager" on the edge of my seat. Either you
>want to complain because she's female, or because with all the approving
>posts, you feel that you "need" to be the dissenting voice -- or both.
>
I want "Voyager" to be better than ST:TNG. If it succeeds with Bujold,
no one will be happier that I will, because that means more years of
great Star Trek.
I wouldn't want another LA Law-type series occurrence to happen. Harry
Hamlin and Susan Dey both left the show, at different time, of course.
Others replaced them and those characters had to be presented and defined
over the course of the show, which took a lot of the writers efforts and
lots of screen time. Maybe I like the comfort of knowing the characters
and what to expect from them.
The funny thing about the original post was that it was really
pro-Bujold. I proclaimed her past fame by saying she was "well known".
I used a satirical passage to show howher upcoming success in Voyager
would increase her desireabilty to the entertainment industry
("40,000,000 tickets"). In short, I voiced my fear that she would become
so popular that she would leave us. I would have been sad had Stewart
left the show. Wouldn't you have been sad also?
Sometimes your posts are right on the mark. This time, your
"sexist colored glassed" got in the way.
>Regards,
>Janis the net.proud.hussy
>
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I guess you know yourself very well, and mean to tell the rest of us,
too.
Terry
U16...@uicvm.uic.edu
Lewis Manuel
>den...@char.vnet.net (Denny Atkin) writes:
>>
>> Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
>> probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film COM
>A.
>YES! Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes! *add obligatory hand jerk down and knee
>jerk up here*
>> Methinks they done good.
>Methinks Rick Berman deserves a bloody medal for holding out AND getting a
>superior actress. Maybe we should start a letter campaign THANKING them
>for this intelligent choice. Hey, it never hurts to be polite.
Hmmm...I agree, a good choice...could this be a trend? William Shatner
was a Montreal native...and so was Bujold...well I guess our city has a
knack for putting out Star Ship Captains! :-)))
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" Genevieve Bujold is going where no woman has gone before: tto the
helm of a "Star Trek " Series . She's been cast as the captain in
the fourth incarnation of the space adventure, "STar Trek: Voyager"
set to debut in Jan. on the new United Paramount network. The
actress whose films include "Anne of the Thousand Days" and "Coma"
will command the starship USS Voyager as Capt. Elizabeth Janeway"
-nancy
Melanie Fletcher
> In <a9PZRc...@geloser.login.qc.ca> flet...@geloser.login.qc.ca (Melan
ie F
> >den...@char.vnet.net (Denny Atkin) writes:
>
> >>
> >> Actually, a woman. Genevieve Bujold. Known for her film work, you'll
> >> probably remember her best as the lead in the late-70's Crichton film
COM
> >A.
>
> >YES! Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes! *add obligatory hand jerk down and k
nee
> >jerk up here*
>
> >> Methinks they done good.
>
> >Methinks Rick Berman deserves a bloody medal for holding out AND getting
a
> >superior actress. Maybe we should start a letter campaign THANKING them
> >for this intelligent choice. Hey, it never hurts to be polite.
>
> Hmmm...I agree, a good choice...could this be a trend? William Shatner
> was a Montreal native...and so was Bujold...well I guess our city has a
> knack for putting out Star Ship Captains! :-)))
Could it be the bracing climate? The stimulating political debates? The
poutine? :-) Maybe McGill, Concordia or UofM can put this in the
curriculum: Acting 405: Starship Captains and Paramount Producers.
Timothy W. Lynch
>In article <corteseC...@netcom.com>, cor...@netcom.com (Janis Maria C. C.
>Cortese) says:
>>I find it amusing that the original author says that Bujold's gender has
>>no bearing whatsoever on his opinions -- then proceeds to state things
>>about her that would apply to any of the Trek leading men and brings up
>>the names of two woman characters as some sort of analogy.
>>
>Once again your sexists prejudices rear their ugly head. Was either
>Patrick Stewart or William Shatner as well known as Bujold when they
>were cast for the lead roles? I don't recall either of them being
>Academy Award nominees when they were cast.
Ms. Bujold is an Oscar nominee from over two decades ago; based on the
reaction on the net, a great many people have *no* idea who she is.
Given that Patrick Stewart had major roles in the high-profile "I, Claudius"
and the big-budget "Dune" film not that many years before TNG's premiere
(particularly Dune, which was less than three years pre-TNG), not to mention
a host of other credits, some of which were also well known, I think it's
arguable that Stewart was as well known *to TNG's target audience* as Bujold
is to Voyager's target audience. Can't speak to Shatner, nor would I want
to. :-)
>As for the two other characters I compared her to supposedly showing a
>gender bias -- Janice, please, tell the networld which actor of the
>male gender had declined to continue his appearance on ST:TNG in a
>manner similar to the way Crosby and Forbes declined.
How about Wil Wheaton?
Tim Lynch
Christopher Bradford Stone
><U16...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>Janice, please, tell the networld which actor of the
>>male gender had declined to continue his appearance on ST:TNG in a
>>manner similar to the way Crosby and Forbes declined.
>
>How about Wil Wheaton?
I do not agree with you on this point, Tim, for two reasons. First, Wil
Wheaton is much younger that Crosby or Forbes, and is natural that sooner
or later he would want to go to school -- which Crosby and Forbes
presumably already have done. Second, Wil Wheaton was not merely
abandoning TNG; he was (or so he said) abandoning *acting* altogether --
"I'm out of the Hollywood game," as I believe he said.
I think that women's roles on TNG would have been much better had either
Crosby or Forbes stayed, and I don't think we can blame the producers for
their departure.
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Lynch) says:
>
><U16...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>In article <corteseC...@netcom.com>, cor...@netcom.com (Janis Maria C.
>C.
>>Cortese) says:
>
>>>I find it amusing that the original author says that Bujold's gender has
>>>no bearing whatsoever on his opinions -- then proceeds to state things
>>>about her that would apply to any of the Trek leading men and brings up
>>>the names of two woman characters as some sort of analogy.
>>>
>>Once again your sexists prejudices rear their ugly head. Was either
>>Patrick Stewart or William Shatner as well known as Bujold when they
>>were cast for the lead roles? I don't recall either of them being
>>Academy Award nominees when they were cast.
>
>Ms. Bujold is an Oscar nominee from over two decades ago; based on the
>reaction on the net, a great many people have *no* idea who she is.
>
>Given that Patrick Stewart had major roles in the high-profile "I, Claudius"
>and the big-budget "Dune" film not that many years before TNG's premiere
>(particularly Dune, which was less than three years pre-TNG), not to mention
>a host of other credits, some of which were also well known, I think it's
>arguable that Stewart was as well known *to TNG's target audience* as Bujold
>is to Voyager's target audience. Can't speak to Shatner, nor would I want
>to. :-)
>
PS had nearly the name recognition of GB when cast. I saw "Dune",
but it wasn't until I saw PS's picture that I connected him with the
"Gurney Halleck" character. However, the second I read of GB's casting
I knew exactly who she is, and that she was in "Anne of a Thousand Days"
and "Coma." To me, that is name recognition. But, that is just my
experience. And judging from some other posts, I guess that her name
recognition (or lack of it) was equally divided among the netfolks.
>>As for the two other characters I compared her to supposedly showing a
>>gender bias -- Janice, please, tell the networld which actor of the
>>male gender had declined to continue his appearance on ST:TNG in a
>>manner similar to the way Crosby and Forbes declined.
>
>How about Wil Wheaton?
>
I thought that Wil Wheaton left to go to college, that is why I left
him out of the comparison. Has he appeared in any other TV or movie
productions (other that ST:TNG) since then? Come to thing of it,
has Denise Crosby appeared in any either? :-)
I guess that you can say the WW left to improve his career, although
it wasn't quite in the manner that I had suggested in my original post.
So, I'm still waiting for the name of a male actor, whose character
had some major recurring role in ST:TNG, who left in a manner similar
to either Denise Crosby or Michelle Forbes. ( JMC suggested that
some gender bias caused me to omit such a male name.) The truth is,
there is no such male actor and JMC showed her gender bias by the way
she edited my original post. I included Michael O'Hare of B5 as
a major character who left a popular series. If you didn't read my
original post, you sure as heck didn't see his name mentioned in
JMCs repost. Why did she leave it out? You'll have to ask her, but I
think that it would have cast a bad light on her "gender bias" comments
so she chose to ignore it. I mean, you can't have the facts clouding
your presentation of reality, can you?
>Tim Lynch
Terry
Sylvain Chamberland
>
>I wonder if Ms. Bujold goes by the nickname Gene...
French Canadian usually don't have nicknames; they might have some, but
those are not "standard" as in English (e.g. Bob for Robert, Jim for
James, Bill for William, etc.)
E.g. some amusing trivia about my family: some uncles of my father
were called "Ti-Blanc", "Ti-Gris" and "Ti-Noir" ("Ti" = slang for
"little", and "blanc", "gris", "noir" mean "white", "grey", "black".)
Don't ask me their real names, I think everyone but a few have
forgotten them, as for the origin of their nicknames. ;-)
Another example: someone called "Jean-Luc" might be called either
"Jean" or "Luc" by his friends. Or something else completely
different. Or more probably, dimply "Jean-Luc".
But I've never heard "Genevie`ve" being shortened. So Genevie`ve it
will be. ;->
(BTW see the posts on how to pronunce her name: "GENEvie`ve" is NOT
pronunced like "Gene".)
>they are right. :o -> :> ken...@netcom.com
BTW there is *no* nickname for "Sylvain". ;-)
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Timothy W. Lynch
>In article <34aq0m$a...@gap.cco.caltech.edu> tly...@juliet.caltech.edu writes:
>><U16...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>>Janice, please, tell the networld which actor of the
>>>male gender had declined to continue his appearance on ST:TNG in a
>>>manner similar to the way Crosby and Forbes declined.
>>
>>How about Wil Wheaton?
>I do not agree with you on this point, Tim, for two reasons.
[those being age and the scope of his departure -- acting, not just TNG]
I'll grant that it's not a resounding response to his query, but given that
I took about five seconds to think of it, it could've been a lot worse. :-)
I simply find it a bit annoying when views on the captain are used for personal
attacks.
>I think that women's roles on TNG would have been much better had either
>Crosby or Forbes stayed, and I don't think we can blame the producers for
>their departure.
No, but consider the motivations; Terry said that he thought it was a mistake
because Ms. Bujold would get popular and leave. Citing Denise Crosby as an
example was a mistake as far as that claim is concerned, IMO; she didn't leave
because she was popular, she left because Tasha wasn't getting enough develop-
ment to keep her around. Given the spotty quality of the first season, that
was a sound reason at the time. Yes, in hindsight it seems silly -- but she
didn't have that advantage.
While Ms. Forbes's departure was undeniably a career move on her part, I think
extrapolating from a sample size of one to claim that Bujold is a bad choice
is not ... particularly sound reasoning.
Tim Lynch
Timothy W. Lynch
>In article <34aq0m$a...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, tly...@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W.
>Lynch) says:
>><U16...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>>Was either
>>>Patrick Stewart or William Shatner as well known as Bujold when they
>>>were cast for the lead roles? I don't recall either of them being
>>>Academy Award nominees when they were cast.
>>
>>Ms. Bujold is an Oscar nominee from over two decades ago; based on the
>>reaction on the net, a great many people have *no* idea who she is.
[notes on Stewart's roles deleted -- the gist being that the two were probably
at equal levels of recognition *within Trek's audience*]
>Well, I guess we will have to disagree here. I don't believe that
>PS had nearly the name recognition of GB when cast. I saw "Dune",
>but it wasn't until I saw PS's picture that I connected him with the
>"Gurney Halleck" character. However, the second I read of GB's casting
>I knew exactly who she is, and that she was in "Anne of a Thousand Days"
>and "Coma." To me, that is name recognition.
Agreed -- but as you later note, your experience wasn't necessary typical.
(I'm not saying mine necessarily was either, but I think it's too close to
tell, really.)
I've rebutted your Denise Crosby argument in another post -- I'd look for it
there. Given that, to argue using a sample size of one (Ms. Forbes) that
Ms. Bujold is likely to up and vanish as soon as she becomes more popular
due to "Voyager" strikes me as very shaky reasoning. And, as Janis pointed
out quite correctly, the "departure via popularity" argument is one you could
apply to any actor of any gender cast in the captain's role -- so why decide
it's bad simply for Bujold? Isn't Avery Brooks just as likely to leave DS9?
The rest of your article was simply an attack on Janis, and as such isn't
really fair for me to respond to.
Tim Lynch
Daniel A. Hartung
>Terry:
>Denise Crosby and Michelle Forbes all jumped 'starship' when it looked like
>their careers could be enhanced. Of course, neither were the central
>
>The major difference is neither Crosby nor Forbes were established actors in
>either medium. Bujold IS an established actress in film. She is more than
>casually familiar with the rules of the game in the entertainment industry.
>This means that she understands what "Contract" means. And if she doesn't
>understand the long-term commitment to Star Trek, I'm sure someone has
>explained it to her.
True. Not to mention the fact that Forbes and Crosby both thought
they could LAUNCH careers, and Bujold HAS one.
>And if it doesn't work? So what. Just means we go thru this all over again
>in a finite period of time. Sure beats cleaning house or studying for
>Phud exams!
>
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>
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>"Chocolate is a serious business" [TNG]
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IN>> I think that women's roles on TNG would have been much better had either
IN>> Crosby or Forbes stayed, and I don't think we can blame the producers fo
IN>> their departure.
IN>> --
I agree, Crosby and Forbes were the only women regulars of Trek that
were not "fluff". Oh yes, there was also Dr. Pulaski.
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: I agree, Crosby and Forbes were the only women regulars of Trek that
: were not "fluff". Oh yes, there was also Dr. Pulaski.
I think Crosby had to go, she simply can't act. Even Sirtis was better
at the time.
Now *I* think they were idiots to let Wendy Hughes get away. She would
have provided both a strong female character every week *and* actually
had a flash of chemistry with Patrick Stewart. More in one episode
than Gates McFadden provided in six years.
-Brian