Let's put Circus Freaks and Yanni in the Enterprise theme
O Deus
Even the original lyrics for TOS ended up being discarded and they were
much better than this. Berman and Co. seem driven to do everything
possibly to distance Enterprise from Star Trek, while constantly
reassuring fans via their PR machine that Enterprise is going back to
Star Trek's roots.
Since when did Star Trek's roots involve replacing the theme with some
trashy pop music. And even the few people who think this is a good idea
will probably change their minds after they've had to listen to the
damned thing for a few hundred times, considering that these songs have
half-lives that range in the weeks and months, how well is the theme
going to hold up ten years down the road?
Of course Rick Berman is incapable of thinking about the future or
planning for it, instead they're coming up with more last minute
gimmicks to stay afloat, even as they're working to alienate what's left
of Star Trek's audience. Jesus Christ, if they had any brains at this
point, they would try to have the series theme reassure fans that
they're still watching Star Trek, instead of embarking on some pointless
quest to pretend that they're the WB and drag in new viewers on the
strenght of some silly pop music.
But hey if they had any brains, the Star Trek franchise would still be
healthy and popular, instead of reeling after two box office disasters
and two failed TV series, both of them created by Rick Berman. Now he's
going for a record third failed TV series, at which point he'll leave
the franchise rubbing his hands together at a job well done while
blaming the whole thing on shifting market demographics and whatever
other random collection of words will serve to obscure his fundamental
inability to advance and maintain the franchise.
The unpleasant notion increasingly arising from Enterprise, isn't that
Berman and Co. have learned from their mistakes and are going back to
Star Trek's roots, but that Berman and Co. have decided that Star Trek
is the problem, and have decided to eliminate Star Trek, from their next
Star Trek series.
As farfetched as such a notion might be, it fits perfectly with the
deranged stupidity endemic to these people. It's never their fault, it's
the fault of the TV market, the fault of the product, the fault of the
TV audience or the fault of the universe itself. Rather than learning
any lessons from the failures of DS9 and Voyager and the resulting
decline of the franchise, Berman and Co march ahead with a new and even
more deranged initiative, without looking back and understanding what
went wrong with their old projects.
And people who don't learn from their mistakes, go on repeating them
over and over again. Unfortunately though Berman and Co. won't pay for
their failures. Their years of work simply add up as credits which boost
their bank accounts and get them new high paying jobs. Like the
proverbial efficency expert, they screw up and its' the franchise that
pays the price. And when they've finished wrecking Star Trek, they can
move on to wrecking the next big thing.
Jason Dean
"O Deus" <od...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:3B8F52...@bigfoot.com...
> Because everyone loves Yanni and everyone loves circus freakss.
>
> Even the original lyrics for TOS ended up being discarded and they were
> much better than this. Berman and Co. seem driven to do everything
> possibly to distance Enterprise from Star Trek, while constantly
> reassuring fans via their PR machine that Enterprise is going back to
> Star Trek's roots.
So what is the theme to Enterprise? You're not talking about "Wherever you
will go" are you?
> Since when did Star Trek's roots involve replacing the theme with some
> trashy pop music. And even the few people who think this is a good idea
> will probably change their minds after they've had to listen to the
> damned thing for a few hundred times, considering that these songs have
> half-lives that range in the weeks and months, how well is the theme
> going to hold up ten years down the road?
>
> Of course Rick Berman is incapable of thinking about the future or
> planning for it, instead they're coming up with more last minute
> gimmicks to stay afloat,
Which last minute gimmicks are you refering to?
> even as they're working to alienate what's left
> of Star Trek's audience. Jesus Christ, if they had any brains at this
> point, they would try to have the series theme reassure fans that
> they're still watching Star Trek, instead of embarking on some pointless
> quest to pretend that they're the WB and drag in new viewers on the
> strenght of some silly pop music.
>
> But hey if they had any brains, the Star Trek franchise would still be
> healthy and popular, instead of reeling after two box office disasters
Two box office disasters? I would define a box office disaster as a movie
that few people paid money to see. I'm curious as to why you are basing a
Star Trek movie's success on the general publics desire to see it. You
didn't like First Contact? I don't know how well it did at the box office
but even if only 5 people saw it, doesn't mean it wasn't a great film.
> and two failed TV series,
Again, what are you basing these failings on?
> both of them created by Rick Berman....
[snip a whole bunch of anger-based ranting]
In red, out blue; in red, out blue.
Robert Holland
Nice rant, Odeus. And how appropriate! Last night I took my kids to
see Ringling Brothers Circus, and, lo and behold, I enjoyed the show.
Why? Because the show was aimed at a modern audience. It featured more
of the theatrical devices I have come to expect from seeing rock
concerts, WWF, etc. The music was updated with just enough of a hint
at the past.
And they featured babes in skimpy costumes. Lots and lots of babes.
The success comes because they know their audience and tailored their
show toward it.
> Even the original lyrics for TOS ended up being discarded and they were
> much better than this. Berman and Co. seem driven to do everything
> possibly to distance Enterprise from Star Trek, while constantly
> reassuring fans via their PR machine that Enterprise is going back to
> Star Trek's roots.
I realize you bear a torch for the old Trek. At some point you'll
realize the old series are done, and let Enterprise stand on its own.
You may be well along that path, for expressing anger is the step
after disbelief.
> Since when did Star Trek's roots involve replacing the theme with some
> trashy pop music. And even the few people who think this is a good idea
> will probably change their minds after they've had to listen to the
> damned thing for a few hundred times, considering that these songs have
> half-lives that range in the weeks and months, how well is the theme
> going to hold up ten years down the road?
You're totally retro, dude! I think you haven't listened enough to
Shatner's recordings. 15 minutes a week of Lucy in the Sky with
Diamonds will straighten you out.
You may be on to something, though. I watch TV Land to see shows of
TOS vintage and I notice odd hair and clothing styles, as well as
strange language patterns and music. Perhaps with the advent of
digitized production, styles can be kept up to date through
application programming. Think of it as Ted Turner's colorization
project on steroids... (Although one reason I watch the old shows is
to see the old styles...)
> Of course Rick Berman is incapable of thinking about the future or
> planning for it, instead they're coming up with more last minute
> gimmicks to stay afloat, even as they're working to alienate what's left
> of Star Trek's audience. Jesus Christ, if they had any brains at this
> point, they would try to have the series theme reassure fans that
> they're still watching Star Trek, instead of embarking on some pointless
> quest to pretend that they're the WB and drag in new viewers on the
> strenght of some silly pop music.
I think any TOS fans that don't currently get reassurance from the
rest home caregivers will soon enough be getting reassurance from
their rest home caregivers.
Berman is making a show to sell soap to the desired 18-24 male age
bracket, not the geriatric Matlock crowd. He has his future well in
hand and will deliver a show for the new millennium instead of the
1960s.
> But hey if they had any brains, the Star Trek franchise would still be
> healthy and popular, instead of reeling after two box office disasters
> and two failed TV series, both of them created by Rick Berman. Now he's
> going for a record third failed TV series, at which point he'll leave
> the franchise rubbing his hands together at a job well done while
> blaming the whole thing on shifting market demographics and whatever
> other random collection of words will serve to obscure his fundamental
> inability to advance and maintain the franchise.
Since our greatest learning comes from failure, Berman must be a
goddam genius by your measure. I think you'll see him deliver a show
to catch his target audience--those weaned on Man Show and WWF.
> The unpleasant notion increasingly arising from Enterprise, isn't that
> Berman and Co. have learned from their mistakes and are going back to
> Star Trek's roots, but that Berman and Co. have decided that Star Trek
> is the problem, and have decided to eliminate Star Trek, from their next
> Star Trek series.
Well, there's no fooling you! You must have had a lot of failure in
your life, too. ;)
I think it is clear the airwaves are polluted with old Trek series, so
there is no need to compete with those old shows. They are setting out
to compete with their contemporaries for young male attention. (Geez,
how long will it take Hummel to misconstrue that one?)
> As farfetched as such a notion might be, it fits perfectly with the
> deranged stupidity endemic to these people. It's never their fault, it's
> the fault of the TV market, the fault of the product, the fault of the
> TV audience or the fault of the universe itself. Rather than learning
> any lessons from the failures of DS9 and Voyager and the resulting
> decline of the franchise, Berman and Co march ahead with a new and even
> more deranged initiative, without looking back and understanding what
> went wrong with their old projects.
>
> And people who don't learn from their mistakes, go on repeating them
> over and over again. Unfortunately though Berman and Co. won't pay for
> their failures. Their years of work simply add up as credits which boost
> their bank accounts and get them new high paying jobs. Like the
> proverbial efficency expert, they screw up and its' the franchise that
> pays the price. And when they've finished wrecking Star Trek, they can
> move on to wrecking the next big thing.
Obviously you are not in their target audience. I suppose your rant
will bear more weight after the series hits the airwaves. Right now
you sound like Chicken Little.
RH (Gettin' ziggy zoggy with it.)
Geoduck
wrote:
>O Deus <od...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:<3B8F52...@bigfoot.com>...
>> Because everyone loves Yanni and everyone loves circus freakss.
>
>Nice rant, Odeus. And how appropriate! Last night I took my kids to
>see Ringling Brothers Circus, and, lo and behold, I enjoyed the show.
>Why? Because the show was aimed at a modern audience. It featured more
>of the theatrical devices I have come to expect from seeing rock
>concerts, WWF, etc. The music was updated with just enough of a hint
>at the past.
>
>And they featured babes in skimpy costumes. Lots and lots of babes.
>
>The success comes because they know their audience and tailored their
>show toward it.
(snip)
Totally off-topic, but Salon.com just posted an interesting piece
about the fun n' games that some of the RBC head honchos get up to
behind the scenes:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/08/30/circus/index.html
--
Geoduck
http://www.olywa.net/cook
Robert Holland
Oh, that's just *great*! Now the circus will be picketed by animal
rights activists AND freelance writers...
RH
Franklin Hummel
You hoping you get hired as an ENTERPRISE extra, O Deus?
-- Franklin Hummel, Boston, MA