Nigger Vulcans?
Macedon
> I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
>What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
>It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
Ooops. I think someone accidentally let it out of its cage. Shall we
call the Miami SPCA?
William H. Binder
: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
Congratulations! That is the most awe inspiring ignorance I have seen
months. Thanks for reminding me that there are still closed minded bigots
left on this planet. I was beginning to think maybe they had all left.
Bill
(And they tell Trekkers to get a life.)
Michael Hickerson
>
> I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
>What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
>It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
>
>
> Nigger hated @netmiami.com
>
You know for someone who claims to be a "Star Trek" fan you certainly
don't seem to believe in the philosophy of IDIC (infinite Diversity in Infinite
Combinations) which is the basic tenant of all "Trek" philosophy. I don't
understand how you could post this here in a group that should be based on
acceptance of all people irregardless of race, creed, gender, etc. Perhaps
you need to re-watch some "Star Trek" and remember what it was Gene Roddenberry
(who is probably whirling in his grave at that last comment!) was trying to
teach us. (
I am truely saddened by this post.....
Live Long and Propser,
Michael T. HIckerson
Javier Oviedo
statements have no place here!(or anywhere for that matter! You have
serious problems, and we'd all appreciate it if you would keep your ideas
to yourself. I'm not black but I find your "nigger" statement offensive,
and if you don't realize...posting these kinda of things can get you in
trouble with the law(ie. police, FBI). It has happened to other people,
so watch out!!!! Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations is what OUR
country is made up of. Chances are that not to many generations back one
of your ancestors came here for that same reason.
Javier Oviedo jav...@chopin.udel.edu
Ailsa Murphy
>
> I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
>What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
>It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
> Andthat's all I have to say
>
> Nigger hated @netmiami.com
>
"Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull some intelligence out of this post!"
"Aw, that trick never works!"
"This time for sure!"
......or not.
Kate (Sarcasm? Where?) Cunningham
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Matthew Jeremy Blevins
>
> RE: NIGGER VULCANS?
>
> 4 May 1995 10:27:35 -0400
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> <3o9g22$4...@ns1.netmiami.com>
>New User (n...@netmiami.com) wrote:
>
>: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
>: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
>: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
>
>months. Thanks for reminding me that there are still closed minded bigots
>left on this planet. I was beginning to think maybe they had all left.
>
>Bill
>(And they tell Trekkers to get a life.)
Good God. Does this person really watch Star Trek?! I think they might
have missed some of the messages the shows try to convey. It makes me sick to
think people like this could ever enjoy ST. These kinds of people are
disgusting- and part of the reason we need Star Trek around so that the rest of
us don't lose hope in humanity altogether! Racist prick.
-Blevins
Sam Stein
(actually, that is not an argument- you may not be a human either)
Michael Carmack
: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
I just can't believe I even read that just now. Nazis like yourself have
nothing to contribute to society as a whole, let alone this newgroup.
Crawl back under your rock and leave us alone.
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Kwang Soo Suh
: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
: Andthat's all I have to say
: Nigger hated @netmiami.com
Jesus, who let this moron out of his prison cell?
Lisa Clayton
: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
: Andthat's all I have to say
: Nigger hated @netmiami.com
This guy has posted to SEVERAL newsgroups, by the way, posting this
kind of stupidity. He(she?) posted to ALT.BEER, fer corn's sake,
with damn near the same kind of BS. I have a feeling it's not
just these two groups, either.
If you run into him (her?) again, I suggest a pleasant note to
postm...@netmiami.com about how this "new user" is doing
some seriously racist spamming.
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Jet Silverman
: I think Tuvok is a ***** joke pulled on those NAACP *******
[Snip, with good cause]
Now we know why it is illegal for brothers and sisters to marry.
"New User" needs to get out of his trailer park more often.
Philip Richard Yabut
Take note, people: unfortunately, racism is not dead. It's a damn shame.
At least a lot of people have responded negatively to this really
sad post, so there is hope in the world.
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williams tracy
I'm not black but I find your "nigger" statement offensive,
: and if you don't realize...posting these kinda of things can get you in
: trouble with the law(ie. police, FBI). It has happened to other people,
: so watch out!!!!
Um, no. Our asshole friend is definitely NOT going to be in trouble
with the law from airing his bigoted views on the Internet. One of the most
cherished rights we have in America is the right to be an asshole. You can
say what you want to. Luckily, we also have the right to ignore him.
-tlw
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von Sydow@shsu.edu Count von Sydow
>
>
> I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
> What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
> It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
>
> Andthat's all I have to say
>
> Nigger hated @netmiami.com
>
This is the kind of asinine, brain-dead crap that people like you have
to post? You don't even have the intelligence to engage in a debate
of reason as to why you think Tuvok should not be on ST. I'll tell
you something though, Tuvok is infinately smarter, stronger, and better
than you'll ever be jerk. Wake up sleepyhead, it's the 20th century.
Get a hold on yourself, or get the hell off the planet.
Bill Huber
>At least Tuvok can speak English correctly. He's not even human
>(actually, that is not an argument- you may not be a human either)
I almost suspect that it was bait that too many people fell for.
Nevertheless, its hard to believe he was stupid enough to use
THAT word.
Bill
Bill Bickel
makes a bunch of hateful remarks, and everybody queues up to respond.
He's probably thrilled at all the activity he's generated.
Why not, next time this happens, instead of every newsgroup member going
on record saying he or she disagrees, we just ignore it?
I think it's a given that we're not racist morons like this guy. We don't
need to waste space all of us announcing it.
(Which is not to say, of course, that we can't flood the guy's mailbox
with nasty comments)
Kevin Cassidy
>==========New User, 5/3/95==========
>
> I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
>What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
>It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
>
> Andthat's all I have to say
>
> Nigger hated @netmiami.com
If you're so proud of your views, why not have the guts to post your name
along with them?
I'll tell you why...because you're nothing but a gutless, juvenile, ignorant,
racist !!!!
If your convictions mean that much to you then you should not have a problem
posting your name....but of course you don't because you know you are in the
minority and if you posted your name you'd have to come out from under your
white sheet and hood.
Kevin
Gypsy
Look, the remark was ignorant! Why are we even bothering to answer this
joke of a human? He probably put this on here to stir up some sh%$.
Ignore the jerk! He isn't worth the time of day.
BTW, *your* remark was a little uncalled for.
Gypsy
>
>New User (n...@netmiami.com) wrote:
>
>: I think Tuvok is a ***** joke pulled on those NAACP *******
>[Snip, with good cause]
>
>Now we know why it is illegal for brothers and sisters to marry.
>"New User" needs to get out of his trailer park more often.
However, as an afterthought, both of you do have the right to say
whatever you want, as do I. Isn't the 1st Amendment grand?
Doug Lavan
you are a fool, you are a fool, you are a fool, yo uare a fool, y ouare a
foo lyou ar ea f o o l, youareafool, you are a fool, you are a fool, you
are a fool, you are a BIG fool, you are a fool.
so there...fool...
Doug Lavan
It's time to flood this loser with garble-mail...
mrea...@kear.tdsnet.com
> I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
> What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
> It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
forest gump quote deleted
The idea that a momma lovin ass sucker likes star trek makes me sick
to my fuckin' stomach. I think his mother shouldn't have blowed him so
much as a baby. If fuckers like this are gonna post messages post on your
half inch dick. I don't have the right to tell you to not post but I can
tell you to chop off your wanker.
Grand Admiral Spam
Grand Admiral Spicken
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n...@netmiami.com (New User) writes:
>
> I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
>What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
>It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
>
comments to myself.
Next time dont hide behind a New Users account.....
JayCee
Christopher B. Stone
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"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." -Martin Luther King
James L. Gerretson
>In article <3o9g22$4...@ns1.netmiami.com>, n...@netmiami.com (New User) says:
I'd be more interested in finding out why this race has somebody as ignorant
and corrupt as you. Obviously you are the culmination of years of
inbreeding. There was very little need for you to write such an ugly message
If you don't like people who don't look like you tough. (They're probably
glad they don't) Take your bigotry elsewhere. What EXACTLy do you think they taking over?
>> I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
>>What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
>>It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
Sam Stein
"nigger" posted a 1000 times, and that is what happened...
Please stop the thread or change the name.
Michael Carmack
they'll pull the plug on him for good at his site.
Virginia Boehm
Doug Lavan <wol...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>
>
>you are a fool, you are a fool, etc.....
>
Unfortunately, there is probably no box to flood. The original post
was from "new user", in short, somebody logged on to a system for the
first time, probably as a guest, posted his hate mail and probably
vanished, never to be seen again. Trying to respond will serve no
purpose other than giving some poor sysadm a bad day. Hopefully, this
totally tacky post was "new user's" one and only time on line.
Gini
eu...@waikato.ac.nz
> : I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
> : What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
> : It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
world will be a better place without bigots like you in it.
Michael Baggarly
: I think Tuvok is a f**** joke pulled on those NAACP n*****
: What the f***, why does eevery f**** race of aliens have a n***** in it?
: It's Racial equality? S*** no.. It's f***** n***** takin' over man!
: And that's all I have to say
You know, it really is sad that this kind of pathetic crap is thought to
be true by anyone in today's world. I am always amazed that anyone could
still think this after all the tragedy that hatred has produced. Why, New
User, do you find it impossible to accept other human beings as your
equal? Why do you think that you are better than anyone else because
their skin is different than yours? Maybe you would care to explain to
the rest of us just what it is about skin color that produces a
difference in the kind of person that one really is. I almost have a
Master's degree and I must say that I've never even heard of a theory
that purports to demonstrate the relevance of skin color to the essential
nature of a person.
In the future, before you pour that bilge all over this newsgroup, please
take a moment to remember that we are all equal inside. Remember
Jefferson's words in the Declaration of Independence? The words that have
defined us as a people--one people. Race being irrelevant in the
community of equals. I mean if we can't all live together as equals, what
hope for the future is there?
Live long and prosper,
Todd
Stuart A. Bronstein
: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
: Andthat's all I have to say
: Nigger hated @netmiami.com
Sorry to upset you, well actually I'm not sorry. Anyway, are ancestors
came from "niggers" as you call them. By the way, what is your IQ?
(I sugest we flood this guy with mail)
Stuart A. Bronstein
bla...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: (I sugest we flood this guy with mail)
I suggest we beam him over to Ligonia.
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Stuart A. Bronstein
: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
: Andthat's all I have to say
: Nigger hated @netmiami.com
n...@netmiami.com is net Miami's demo adress, and someone hacked it, and
got in. Net Miami is on his case! Net Miami posted something saying they
were sorry, and it was just some hacker. I wonder how he was able do that
with his low intelligence
Stuart A. Bronstein
the Master
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Kevin Cassidy
<snips)
>
>In the future, before you pour that bilge all over this newsgroup, please
>take a moment to remember that we are all equal inside. Remember
>Jefferson's words in the Declaration of Independence? The words that have
>defined us as a people--one people. Race being irrelevant in the
>community of equals. I mean if we can't all live together as equals, what
>hope for the future is there?
>
>Live long and prosper,
>Todd
Beleive me, I agree with you 100%. As a matter of fact, I think I was the
first to respond to this racists comments. However, using Jefferson might not
be the best choice...he did keep approximately 200 slaves at the time he wrote
the D of I. To his credit, he did try to abolish slavery in the D of I,
however, this was voted down.
KJC
NANCY
>New User (n...@netmiami.com) wrote:
>
>: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
>: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
>: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
>
>months. Thanks for reminding me that there are still closed minded bigots
>left on this planet. I was beginning to think maybe they had all left.
>
One important thing that the fool in the first statement fails to think
about is that it is very likely that the actor who plays Tuvok was cast
in this character because he is a very good actor and the choice had
nothing to do with his skin tone!
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then say the colour (Black or White).
Ozz & Mary Graham
> In article <3oao8n$j...@colossus.csl.mtu.edu>, whbi...@mtu.edu (William H. Binder) writes:
> >New User (n...@netmiami.com) wrote:
> >
> >: I think Tuvok is a(rest of vile post deleted due to extremely
poor taste from this pile of excretement)
> One important thing that the fool in the first statement fails to think
> about is that it is very likely that the actor who plays Tuvok was cast
> in this character because he is a very good actor and the choice had
> nothing to do with his skin tone!
Precisely. I doubt very much when they were casting TVS, they were
looking for skin color a, b, c, etc.
Its incredible that this kind of closed-minded idiotic drivel is still
around. I'm not PC, but, neither am I as vile as that poster. People like
him/her makes me shame being a human being.
I like Tuvok, then again, i always liked Vulcans, I thought they were a
great addition to the UFP.
SCart Publishing
: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
: Andthat's all I have to say
: Nigger hated @netmiami.com
Yikes! They've got email! Run for your lives!
(anyone else reminded of the banjo-playing kid in Deliverance?)
-jeff barrus
J. Jorgensen
> New User (n...@netmiami.com) wrote:
>
> : I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
> : What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
> : It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
> : Andthat's all I have to say
>
> : Nigger hated @netmiami.com
>
> n...@netmiami.com is net Miami's demo adress, and someone hacked it, and
> got in. Net Miami is on his case! Net Miami posted something saying they
> were sorry, and it was just some hacker. I wonder how he was able do that
> with his low intelligence
>
>
It doesn't really take any brains at all to post something that he knows
will get everyone pissed off. Just raise one eyebrow and say "That
statement is not logical." and move to something else. That's what
Tuvok would do.
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ARCHANGEL
*> In article <3oao8n$j...@colossus.csl.mtu.edu>, whbi...@mtu.edu (William H. Binder) writes:
*>>New User (n...@netmiami.com) wrote:
*>>
*>>: I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
*>>: What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
*>>: It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
*>>
*>>
*>>Congratulations! That is the most awe inspiring ignorance I have seen
*>>months. Thanks for reminding me that there are still closed minded bigots
*>>left on this planet. I was beginning to think maybe they had all left.
*>>
*> One important thing that the fool in the first statement fails to think
*> about is that it is very likely that the actor who plays Tuvok was cast
*> in this character because he is a very good actor and the choice had
*> nothing to do with his skin tone!
*>
*> /\_____/\
*> / o o \
*> ( == ^ == )
*> ) - (
*> ( )
*> ( ( ) ( ) )
*> (__(__)___(__)__) *nancy*
*>
Greet.
I would have to agree with you on the selection of Tim Russ being not
from his skin tone. But It cann't be because he is a good actor because he is
not.
Thomas "Archangel" Meadows
E Hagan
I have come to think of the individuals who do the kind of trolling that
"orpheus" did in his "N____Vulcans" post are like the person who urinates in
the pool. He stands there for a while in the (to him) welcome warmth of his
own filth with a juvenile smirk on his face because he thinks he's gotten away
with something naughty. Not considering that if he intends to stay in the
water he will have to keep his mouth shut as he swims.
Betsy H
br...@panther.adelphi.edu
While I agree with you that the initial message was posted by a fool, I am
amazed that you think skin tone had nothing to do with casting Tim Russ as
Tuvok. In a series that cast a woman as the captain and a Native American
as the first officer, do you really think that it was a coincidence that
they cast a black as the Vulcan head of security? Obviously this series
is preoccupied with it's political correctness.
br...@panther.adelphi.edu
>last name. If you things that's cool please write back...or just write
>back anyway. See ya later.
Yeah, I things that's really cool. Conragulations, you
win the Vulcan of the year award.
Dan Hartung
>> >
>> >: I think Tuvok is a(rest of vile post deleted due to extremely
>poor taste from this pile of excretement)
>
>> about is that it is very likely that the actor who plays Tuvok was cast
>> in this character because he is a very good actor and the choice had
>> nothing to do with his skin tone!
>
>looking for skin color a, b, c, etc.
>Its incredible that this kind of closed-minded idiotic drivel is still
>around. I'm not PC, but, neither am I as vile as that poster. People like
>him/her makes me shame being a human being.
>I like Tuvok, then again, i always liked Vulcans, I thought they were a
>great addition to the UFP.
I'm in agreement that the fool above is, well, a fool. But what is
wrong with writing a character with dark skin and casting an
African-American actor to play him?
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Since Vulcan is mostly a hot desert planet, shouldn't most Vulcans have
dark skin?
Balakrishnan G Nair
In article <3pp26l$5...@decaxp.harvard.edu>, sma...@scws29.harvard.edu (Susannah Mandel) writes:
|> RWU (r...@aol.com) wrote:
|> : To move off of the disgusting racist comment that started this all:
|>
|> : Since Vulcan is mostly a hot desert planet, shouldn't most Vulcans have
|> : dark skin?
|>
|> that on Earth this is more or less a matter of genetic coincidence.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> (Otherwise it gets hard to explain the Inuit peoples, who are quite
|> dark, and the multitude of fair-skinned Asians who live around the
|> equator.)
|>
|> Anyone have any more secure data?
Actually, I dont think this is true. I think the present theory is
one of pre-historic mass-migrations. Fair-skinned Arabs and North-Indians
are supposed descendents of the so called Indo-Aryans, who migrated from the
North with some exotic theories even placing their point of origin as the
Artic. with a certain amount of inter-mingling with the original inhabitants.
Specifically,in India you see a direct skin colour contrast as you go from
South to North(It gets progressively fairer), with some of the Kashmiri tribes
being so light skinned that they are indistingushable from dark haired
Caucasians by sight. In my state, Kerala, which is a coastal paradise at
the Southern-most tip of India, most people have a very dark skin tone
and some people even have facial features very similar to Southern Africans
suggesting a common origin. Frankly, I dont see what is so racist about the
comment mentioned above about Vulcans having dark skin because Vulcan
is a hot desert planet. At least based on what little evidence we from
earth about the ways of evolution, this seems to be a fact. Heck, most of
the animals we find in India have dark fur/skin tones too, as this has
natural advantages against the heat.
Balky
(The Debo-Nair)
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: > One important thing that the fool in the first statement fails to think
: > about is that it is very likely that the actor who plays Tuvok was cast
: > in this character because he is a very good actor and the choice had
: > nothing to do with his skin tone!
: While I agree with you that the initial message was posted by a fool, I am
: amazed that you think skin tone had nothing to do with casting Tim Russ as
: Tuvok. In a series that cast a woman as the captain and a Native American
: as the first officer, do you really think that it was a coincidence that
: they cast a black as the Vulcan head of security? Obviously this series
: is preoccupied with it's political correctness.
Actually, according to all the accounts I've read of the casting of the
show, PC had nothing to do with casting Russ. While Voyager us
indubitably quite PC, there had _never_ been any intention of casting a
black man as the Vulcan character; it just hadn't occured to them, as it
hadn't to most of us. But Russ insisted on auditioning, and he was the
best, and I suppose Paramount had to simply blink and think it over
before deciding that there really wasn't any reason why a Vulcan
shouldn't be black.
So, in fact, it _is_ because Russ is a good actor. And that's
the only reason.
cheers,
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My Lady, tempted by a private whim,
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"My God!" ejaculated Phelps.
Susannah Mandel
: To move off of the disgusting racist comment that started this all:
: Since Vulcan is mostly a hot desert planet, shouldn't most Vulcans have
: dark skin?
Hmm.... Actually, I think the present theory being bandied around is
that on Earth this is more or less a matter of genetic coincidence.
(Otherwise it gets hard to explain the Inuit peoples, who are quite
dark, and the multitude of fair-skinned Asians who live around the
equator.)
Anyone have any more secure data?
J. Jorgensen
> To move off of the disgusting racist comment that started this all:
>
> Since Vulcan is mostly a hot desert planet, shouldn't most Vulcans have
> dark skin?
That thought occurred to me too. If there are going to be dark skinned
Vulcans, they should probably all be dark skinned. The episode of TOS
Amok Time, established that Vulcan was very hot (also that episode where
Spock, McCoy and Kirk were rapidly growing old, Spock adjusts his room
temperature to something like 125 degrees F to match his homeworld).
Another episode, the one where Kirk's brother Sam is killed by those
flying pancakes, establishes that Vulcan's sun is very bright.
Anyway, just a thought.
John R. Jorgensen
jorg...@triton.unm.edu
sl...@cc.usu.edu
make your hair curly?
In article <3pq446$2a...@news.doit.wisc.edu>, bala...@cae.wisc.edu
(Balakrishnan G Nair) writes:
>
> In article <3pp26l$5...@decaxp.harvard.edu>, sma...@scws29.harvard.edu (Susannah Mandel) writes:
> |> : To move off of the disgusting racist comment that started this all:
> |>
> |> : Since Vulcan is mostly a hot desert planet, shouldn't most Vulcans have
> |> : dark skin?
> |>
> |> that on Earth this is more or less a matter of genetic coincidence.
> |> (Otherwise it gets hard to explain the Inuit peoples, who are quite
> |> dark, and the multitude of fair-skinned Asians who live around the
> |> equator.)
> |>
> |> Anyone have any more secure data?
>
Tom Schumm
BR>amazed that you think skin tone had nothing to do with casting Tim Russ as
BR>Tuvok. In a series that cast a woman as the captain and a Native American
BR>as the first officer, do you really think that it was a coincidence that
BR>they cast a black as the Vulcan head of security? Obviously this series
BR>is preoccupied with it's political correctness.
Actually, he got the part because he was Tim Russ. They had been looking for
a part for him, not for a black vulcan. In the ideal soceity that the 24th
century is supposed to be, it is highly unlikely that all the captains would
be male. Assuming that 50% of the population is male (it's actually around
48.2% or something), that leaves the probability of 4 males in a row in
command at 6.25%. Of course, probability also tells us that previous trials
have no effect on the future, but why should all captains be men for goodness
sake. What is wrong with a female captain? As far as the Native American is
concerned, we already have suspicion that there was a group of Native
Americans involved with the Maquee <sp>, but there might be a little bit of
political correctness involved with that one.
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Margaret Young
A thick mat of curly hair is better protection against the sun.
Regarding Inuits being dark-skinned. First, they emigrated quite late to
Alaska. Second, blue eyes, fair skin, relatively thin hair are all attempts
by north-dwelling humans to absorb enough vitamin D (akin to the ability of
northern european adults to tolerate cow's milk). The Inuit did not need to
make this adaptation because they absorbed enough vitamin D from raw seal's
liver.
: I can understand how being on a desrt planet can make you dark, but does it
Worf133133
the rest of the week!!!
from a black guy!
Jim Henderson
>you are a ******! Also I just spent 1 cent on your mom for last night and
>the rest of the week!!!
>
>from a black guy!
I'm glad to see you all (similar posters on this thread) have risen to the 4th
grade level and use inciteful logic to convey your meaningful points.
Chill, people.
JH
Kate Orman
>I can understand how being on a desrt planet can make you dark, but does it
>make your hair curly?
FAQ'd.
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"What she may do with a word or two is much too grim to tell."
- Jack Prelutsky, "The Witch"
Welcome Back, Spammer
"nigger" does not belong on this newsgroup or any other place. I'd like
to hope that all of us has eveloved to the point that we don't refer to
other people with racial slurs.
-Spam518
PA2...@utkvm1.utk.edu
George Galang
Marty Martino
(George Galang) wrote:
> I take great offense at that word. It has no place in society today.
I beg to differ with you, sir. That word does have a place in society.
Why? Because it is reminder of how much racism is part of this society.
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Mark Rathwell
: (George Galang) wrote:
: > I take great offense at that word. It has no place in society today.
: I beg to differ with you, sir. That word does have a place in society.
: Why? Because it is reminder of how much racism is part of this society.
Certainly is a comment on how ignorant some people are isn't it?
It's a shame that some people are so close-minded at paranoid.
>> Mark <<
john sumner
Fuck you!!! As part of an interracial relationship I can tell you how much that
fucking word can hurt.
The word "black" is a very accepted term. USE IT!!!
The Caiman
Thad Bissett
Organization: Washington & Lee University
Distribution: world
Mark Rathwell (mrat...@uoguelph.ca) wrote:
: : In article <3r755c$a...@news1.is.net>, gal...@myhost.subdomain.domain
: : (George Galang) wrote:
: : > I take great offense at that word. It has no place in society today.
: : I beg to differ with you, sir. That word does have a place in society.
: : Why? Because it is reminder of how much racism is part of this society.
: Certainly is a comment on how ignorant some people are isn't it?
: It's a shame that some people are so close-minded at paranoid.
: >> Mark <<
I have to wonder what a person with that word in his vocabulary
at all is doing on a computer anyway. That word, and others of its
classification, died with the advent of a majority of American people
opening their minds. I'm surprised this guy is able to figure out how to
press the buttons that connect him with this or any other newsgroup, when
he should in fact either be in a time where electricity was only a
curiosity, or be scratching at the dirt with the chickens in his back yard.
Thaddeus
Chris Wagner
It would stand to reason, that most species have different color phases from black to white based
on where that particular race lived on the planet's surface. Equitorial peoples would evolve dark
skin while polar peoples would evolve lighter skin. The reason for this is simple. Dark skin is
a natural protectoin against intense sun. Light skin is designed to let in more of the dilute sunlight
that reaches northerly and southerly areas. However, an enlightened and old a race as Vulcans
would seemingly have done away with all racial distinctions so all the races would have intermarried
by now and all racial characteristics would have disappeared. Theoretically, all Vulcans should be
the same shade of skin. For there to be otherwise would mean that Vulcans still have racial
divisions. This is contrary to what we know of them. A possible explanation for this would be that
different races are only attracted to members of there own race on a genetic level. I'm white and
have seen few black or other-race women that I'm attracted to. It would be good for the
producers to address this in a future episode. They could have the Voyager come in contact with
a racially divided planet and the people there would go apeshit when they saw Tuvok. Tuvok
would then enlighten them by explaining his planet's history of bloodshed and later peace.
--
If a shark stops swimming, it will die. Don't stop swimming. --Deep Throat
Jet Silverman
of different races anymore than we would consider people to be of
different races just because they had different color eyes. We don't
expect every member of every species to be the exact same color, there is
variation. There is also variation in height. Is Tuvoc (sp?) taller than
Spock? Who knows, who cares?
So all Vulcans are not the exact same color, why should we think they
would be?
Bonnie
: Unfortunately, I have to agree that there must have been some racial motives in the casting of Tuvok.
Yes. There is in all tv, movies, and theater. It's the nature of the
beast. But no more racially motivated than so many of the complaints
against his presence as a Vulcan, not when there are so many, far more
grevious errors in Trek in continuity and logic that pass with far less
comment, and when there are several plausible scenarios to cover ths
one.
(rest of reasonable post clipped)
: --
: If a shark stops swimming, it will die. Don't stop swimming. --Deep Throat
Bonnie
Andre J Brown
>I'm white and have seen few black or other-race women that I'm attracted to.
Hi Chris,
(For the record I'm Black)
I couldn't go far enough back with my news browser to see who started this
thread but I find the subject to be in poor taste and I have changed it in
my response to you. I do believe that the choice of Tim Russ was racially
motivated as were all of the other positions of the Voyager crew.
ie. female captain, female chief engineer, native second in command and
asian navigator (or whatever bridge position he has). Whether all Vulcans should
be of one colour is not for you or me to decide but I have heard no such complaints
about the Klingons, many of which have turned out to be black. (I will say
that I don't personally like Tim Russ, but this has nothing to do with his race.)
Anyway, the comment you made is racist. Many people do not feel such
comments are racist but they are. Such feelings tend to stem from the
society in which we have grown up. Consider multi-racial marriages. Although
the numbers are growing, I am sure that there would be more if people
didn't have to say to themselves, "what would mom/dad say"?
My only point is, we should be judging the actors and not their races.
Andre Brown
Chris Wagner
I was only saying that it is a matter of fact that as a planet gets older,
its people tend to intermarry and become homogenous. Just look at
America itself. It used to be that we had German-Americans, Italian-
Americans, etc. Now that enough time has passed, these hyphenated
groups no longer exist. They have intermarried to an extent that we
don't give a shit about that any more. And yes, to the lament of many,
this will eventually happen between blacks and whites. It may take
centuries but it WILL happen. It seems 'illogical' that this has not yet
happened on Vulcan. Eye color does not occur in enough various
shades to become homogenous in a species. It is specifically controlled
by a few genes. Eyes will be EITHER black or blue or green or aqua.
Skin tone has more variables that can combine to produce intermediate
shades.
This is all why I suggested that the producers make an episode to
address this. It would be a very good episode.
Chris Wagner
and who is a racist but doesn't know it, etc. I've heard all the rhetoric
before and countered it ad infinitum. I was simply trying to dispense
with an openly racist and closed minded thread, not start a new one.
Michael P Urban
Chris Wagner <wag...@ucunix.san.uc.edu> wrote:
>I was only saying that it is a matter of fact that as a planet gets older,
>its people tend to intermarry and become homogenous. Just look at
>America itself. It used to be that we had German-Americans, Italian-
>Americans, etc. Now that enough time has passed, these hyphenated
>groups no longer exist. They have intermarried to an extent that we
>don't give a shit about that any more. And yes, to the lament of many,
>this will eventually happen between blacks and whites. It may take
>centuries but it WILL happen. It seems 'illogical' that this has not yet
>happened on Vulcan.
Oh good, we can get away from the "political correctness" nonsense and
actually talk Star Trek here for a while.
While America, a nation almost entirely populated by exogenous groups
of people, has become more homogeneous, it is not necessarily -- dare
I say it? -- logical to extrapolate that to other planetary
civilizations. Vulcans may be less inclined to be migratory than
Terrans, for example. Vulcan is, apparently, a planet with a harsher
climate, and long migrations might be considerably more perilous
than, say, the trek across the Atlantic. Further, such Vulcan society
that we have seen, notably Spock's family, suggests that the culture
may be more clannish than American cultures -- Spock's family is
`important', for example -- and correspondingly less likely to
intermarry on a global scale. This is, of course, speculative, but
consistent with what we have seen.
Finally, remember that `black' is largely a political term, with a
biological basis that is fuzzy at best. Most American `blacks' have
considerable `white' ancestry, and are nevertheless considered
`black'; and, indeed, I would be a bit surprised if Tim Russ claimed
100% African ancestry. Tuvok is just a Vulcan who happens to have a
particular assortment of genetic traits resembling African-descent
Terrans. If he were tall and blond and blue-eyed and pale, would we
call him a Swedish Vulcan?
And, by the way, I think that Tim Russ is doing an very convincing job
as Tuvok, and hope that the writers can come up with some better
material for him than he has had so far.
R. Tang
Michael P Urban <ur...@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>Oh good, we can get away from the "political correctness" nonsense and
>actually talk Star Trek here for a while.
>
>While America, a nation almost entirely populated by exogenous groups
>of people, has become more homogeneous, it is not necessarily -- dare
>I say it? -- logical to extrapolate that to other planetary
>civilizations. Vulcans may be less inclined to be migratory than
>Terrans, for example. Vulcan is, apparently, a planet with a harsher
>climate, and long migrations might be considerably more perilous
>than, say, the trek across the Atlantic. Further, such Vulcan society
>that we have seen, notably Spock's family, suggests that the culture
>may be more clannish than American cultures -- Spock's family is
>`important', for example -- and correspondingly less likely to
>intermarry on a global scale. This is, of course, speculative, but
>consistent with what we have seen.
How about something established---Vulcans are longer lived, ergo,
changes will be slower than form humans.
--
Roger Tang, gwan...@u.washington.edu, Artistic Director PC Theatre
STILL just another theatre geek....
The most unAmerican thing you can say is "He/she makes too much money."
Jack Foy
(R. Tang) wrote:
> In article <1995Jun20.1...@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>,
> Michael P Urban <ur...@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >...
> >civilizations. Vulcans may be less inclined to be migratory than
> >Terrans, for example. Vulcan is, apparently, a planet with a harsher
> >climate, and long migrations might be considerably more perilous
> >than, say, the trek across the Atlantic. Further, such Vulcan society
I read an interview with the actor who plays Tuvok (I can't remember his
name offhand), R. Berman, and M. Piller, and according to Vulcan's
background story, white Vulcans (e.g. Spock) should actually be in the
minority. Apparently its atmosphere has a thinner ozone layer and is
hotter, due to geothermal emmissions (hence the name Vulcan?).
> >that we have seen, notably Spock's family, suggests that the culture
> >may be more clannish than American cultures -- Spock's family is
> >`important', for example -- and correspondingly less likely to
> >intermarry on a global scale. This is, of course, speculative, but
> >consistent with what we have seen.
Fortunately for the Star Trek ethic, a society as logical as Vulcans would
naturally be biased against the racism and apartheid this sort of culture
would breed in 20th century Terrans.
> How about something established---Vulcans are longer lived, ergo,
> changes will be slower than form humans.
I don't know--in harsher climates (see above), evolution tends to happen
faster, so the forces (longer lifespan, harsher climate) might equal out
to an evolution rate equal to Earth's.
--
Jack Foy
ja...@atlanta.com
R. Tang
Jack Foy <ja...@atlanta.com> wrote:
>> How about something established---Vulcans are longer lived, ergo,
>> changes will be slower than form humans.
>I don't know--in harsher climates (see above), evolution tends to happen
>faster, so the forces (longer lifespan, harsher climate) might equal out
>to an evolution rate equal to Earth's.
Ah, no.
Harsh conditions have nothing to do with evolution and even less
to do with spreading of traits in gene pools. You suffer a basic
misunderstanding of evolution to think that harsh environments per so
have anything to do with allele changes over time (blame the
fundamentalists for this; their interference in teaching basic science
has dumbed down high school biology texts to the point of worthlessness).
Harsh conditions are relative, as well; sea level, on a
California coast, is a very harsh environment for organisms adapted to
deep sea vents.
Candice Evans
>
> However, an enlightened and old a race as Vulcans would seemingly have done away with all racial
> distinctions so all the races would have intermarried by now and all racial characteristics
> would have disappeared. Theoretically, all Vulcans should be the same shade of skin. For there
> to be otherwise would mean that Vulcans still have racial divisions. This is contrary to what
> we know of them.
Do you really think that if people intermarry enough they'll all start to look
the same?!? Everyone's skin tone would be the same color? I don't have any
biological facts to dispute this but for all of our sake's I hope you're wrong.
I love my brown skin and while (unlike yourself) I find people from many
different ethnic and racial backgrounds attractive, I would hesitate to "procreate"
with them if I thought all of our beautiful differences in skin tone would
eventually disappear.
As for your theory that, because we assume Vulcans have no racial divisions they
must all have the same color skin, can't we assume instead that they are so
"enlightened" they don't discriminate or hate just because of what shade they're
skin happens to be.
Kate Orman
Andre J Brown <abr...@phys.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>In rec.arts.startrek.current article <3s3384$4...@babbage.ece.uc.edu> you wrote:
>>I'm white and have seen few black or other-race women that I'm attracted to.
Bleah! I'm glad Chris' posting didn't show up on my system.
>Hi Chris,
>(For the record I'm Black)
>I couldn't go far enough back with my news browser to see who started this
>thread but I find the subject to be in poor taste and I have changed it in
>my response to you. I do believe that the choice of Tim Russ was racially
>motivated as were all of the other positions of the Voyager crew.
>ie. female captain, female chief engineer, native second in command and
>
>asian navigator (or whatever bridge position he has). Whether all Vulcans should
>
>be of one colour is not for you or me to decide but I have heard no such complaints
>about the Klingons, many of which have turned out to be black. (I will say
>that I don't personally like Tim Russ, but this has nothing to do with his race.)
FAQ'd.
[snip]
>My only point is, we should be judging the actors and not their races.
Amen!
--
Kate Orman
"Mulder, toads just fell from the sky!" - Scully
Candace C
I personally am very impressed with Tim Russ's characterization of a
Vulcan. His portrayal of a Vulcan seems very realistic to me.
Candace Carlisle
Thad Bissett
needs to have its header changed. The word n****r does not belong here,
or anywhere else except alt.shit.klan. The discussion is a very valid
one, but even though I am white, I find this to be the most offensive
word possible. Gene's dream was of a time when all races and species
could work together without prejudice, and this word is just revitalizing
a period of our history that is best paved over.
Chris Wagner
As you can see from the subject of your own message, the subject is
now "Black Vulcans". However the begining message contains the n
word. All we can do is wait for it to scroll off the news server.
Kate Orman
Chris Wagner <wag...@ucunix.san.uc.edu> wrote:
>Unfortunately, I have to agree that there must have been some racial motives in the casting of Tuvok.
FAQ'd.
Morpheu...@yahoo.com
> In article <3o9g22$4...@ns1.netmiami.com>, n...@netmiami.com (New User) says:
>
> > I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
> >What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
> >It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
>
> Ooops. I think someone accidentally let it out of its cage. Shall we
> call the Miami SPCA?
I fully agree. Nineteen years later, I agree.
tsbr...@gmail.com
> In article <3o9g22$4...@ns1.netmiami.com>, n...@netmiami.com (New User) says:
>
> > I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
> >What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
> >It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
>
> Ooops. I think someone accidentally let it out of its cage. Shall we
> call the Miami SPCA?
Tim Bruening
> In article <3o9g22$4...@ns1.netmiami.com>, n...@netmiami.com (New User) says:
>
> > I think Tuvok is a fuckin' joke pulled on those NAACP niggers
> >What the fuck, why does eevery fuckin' race of aliens have a nigger in it?
> >It's Racial equality? Shit no.. It's fucking niggers takin' over man!
>
>
> Ooops. I think someone accidentally let it out of its cage. Shall we
> call the Miami SPCA?