Should Sulu Have Been Captain Instead Of Janeway?
LucPicard
No-
Sulu is a second banana at best and could perform nearly as well at Kate.
Takei has been playing Sulu for 25 years and yet still appeared stolid and
devoid of acting ability in ST6. Let's all get off the Sulu dream cloud
and get back into reality.
Delta Gamma Niner
A thought has occurred to me:
would Voyager be more popular and successful if
Paramount had made Sulu captain of the Voyager
instead of Janeway? (Let me assert very strongly
that I am NOT a sexist and supported the casting
of a female captain very enthusiastically). IMHO,
Paramount can only introduce new captains and
new casts so many times before the public ceases
to care. Kirk and Picard are international icons. I
don't thnk that Sisko and Janeway, God bless 'em,
would be recognized by the average person on the
street. The tread on the tire is wearing thin, IMHO.
I know some of you will say, what about Uhura,
what about Troi, etc. That's a good idea too. My
point is just that a more familiar character as Captain
would have helped the popularity and ratings of
Voyager immensely. I bring up Sulu because
George Takei has repeatedly expressed his
eager willingness and real interest in being
captain of a ST series. I think having Sulu
as captain would have generated a lot of
publicity and certainly peaked the interest
of TOS fans. Think about it: TNG had
a familiar ship and an unfamiliar captain.
Voyager could have had an unfamiliar ship
and a fan-favorite captain. (By the way, I
don't believe the rumors about Takei joining
Voyager.)
-Craig Holler
Jeff Jacques
Delta Gamma Niner (sd...@atl.mindspring.com) writes:
> A thought has occurred to me:
> would Voyager be more popular and successful if
> Paramount had made Sulu captain of the Voyager
> instead of Janeway?
First of all Sulu was a captain almost 80 years before Voyager's time, and
I think a 135 year old captain is pushing things.
> (By the way, I
> don't believe the rumors about Takei joining
> Voyager.)
Secondly, he isn't joining VGR, but he WILL be appearing in the episode
"Flashback" as captain of the Excelsior (on which Tuvok was an officer),
with the crew that was featured in ST:VI.
--Jeff
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T Heinis
Paramount left their options open by hiring a completely different
captain. By that I mean, if they had used any character we know from
previous series, it would eliminate them from any future movies and the
appeal of the fans to go see them. They'd lose money and viewers. Voyager
is a lost vessel. If Sulu were captain, he couldn't appear in any Star
Trek movies dealing with the old crews of TOS or NG.
Stevie B
In article <4u93om$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
lucp...@aol.com says...
Reality defined as what? A boring ship with a boring crew. Come
on! Even if you dislike Sulu, a series based on Excelsior would bring
back all of those things that Star Trek should be. Voyager is a ship I
actually look FORWARD to seeing destroyed.
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In article <4ug08r$4...@epx.cis.umn.edu>, StevieB @ the U of M wrote:
> In article <4u93om$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
> lucp...@aol.com says...
> >
> >No-
> >
> >Sulu is a second banana at best and could perform nearly as well at
> Kate.
> >Takei has been playing Sulu for 25 years and yet still appeared stolid
> and
> >devoid of acting ability in ST6. Let's all get off the Sulu dream
> cloud
> >and get back into reality.
>
> Reality defined as what? A boring ship with a boring crew. Come
> on! Even if you dislike Sulu, a series based on Excelsior would bring
> back all of those things that Star Trek should be. Voyager is a ship I
> actually look FORWARD to seeing destroyed.
Years ago, many predicted Voyager would restore Trek to all the things it
should have been before DS9.
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Mark Lopa
On the debate about Sulu -
I think Janeway is a fine captain, but I think the support is there for a
Sulu series. If the ratings for the Sulu episode are good in September, I
think something might come out of it.
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George Takei is at best a third rate actor. Why in the world would
anyone have him the star of any series.
I am sure that George is one hell of a nice guy but that does not mean
he should be the centerpiece of any trek series.
As said before, get off this Sulu bandwagon
Gregg T. Allinson
mi...@moshpit.com wrote:
: George Takei is at best a third rate actor. Why in the world would
: anyone have him the star of any series.
Kate Mulgrew is at best a third rate actress. Why in the world would
anyone have her the star of any series.
: I am sure that George is one hell of a nice guy but that does not mean
: he should be the centerpiece of any trek series.
I am sure that Kate is one hell of a nice gal but that does not mean
she should be the centerpiece of any Trek series.
: As said before, get off this Sulu bandwagon
As said before, get off this Janeway bandwagon.
I know this all comes down to personal taste, but if you've ever seen
STVI, you know why a Captain Sulu series would work and if you've ever
seen Voyager, you know a Captain Janeway series *can't* work (IMHO).
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Stevie B wrote:
> Reality defined as what? A boring ship with a boring crew. Come
> on! Even if you dislike Sulu, a series based on Excelsior would bring
> back all of those things that Star Trek should be. Voyager is a ship I
> actually look FORWARD to seeing destroyed.
I think if Paramount decided they wanted to do a Excelsior series It
would not live up to the hype fans are giveing the idea. Also lets look
at it from a pratical point of view. Now I believe that the character of
Sulu has great potential, the actor that portrays hime does not. I have
nothing against Mr. Takai, in fact the times I have seen him at cons he
is friendly, and always has a warm smile for the fans, but his acting
ability is not there. Lets face it in the scene in ST6 where Kirk states
that there is a Bird Of Prey and it can fire while cloaked, and Sulu
replies "Surely Not!" that had to be one of the worst pieces of bad
overacting in the history of Trek. No matter how well you write a series
bad acting can kill any scene in any story. Another example of this is
in the DS9 ep "Paradise Lost" when Sisko is preaching to Admiral Layton
on how he has betrayed The Federation and has ordered one starship to
fire on another. Mr. Brooks overacting killed all the drama in the scene
for me. Bad acting can kill a story. Kinda like when you read a realy
good story in a comic book but the art realy sucked. But everyones
opinion on what is good and bad acting is diferent so who knows what
could happen with a Excelsior based Trek series bad acting or not.
Daniel O'Riordan Casey
It seems to me that if you replaced Janeway with Sulu, the show would be
about the same. Pick any episode (particularly one you hate). Take out
Janeway and replace Sulu. Sulu still gets turned into a salamander
(though he probably has kids with Torres instead of Paris), Sulu still
authorizes self-destruct left and right, Voyager ALMOST makes it home
every week, etc.
If Janeway is a poor leader, it's because she's written that way. If you
have a different actor with a different sex, the writing doesn't improve
at all. By picking a kind of captain we haven't seen before, the show has
the *possibility* of being a little more interestng (look at Captain
Jellico. He was very interesting, mostly because he was different). But
if the writers are ruining Janeway (which seems to be what a lot of people
are saying) they would probably ruin Sulu as well.
These days Voyager leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but if I had to sit and
watch Sulu and Chakoty (or Rand) fret for 15 minutes, I'd feel the same
way.
("Should we stay with the 37s?"
"I don't know, should we?"
"I don't know. What do you think other people think?"
"I don't know, what do *you* think other people think?")
Daniel O'Riordan Casey
P.S.: Sulu escaping the pressures of Captaining by playing a butler in a
holonovel.
Daniel O'Riordan Casey
mi...@moshpit.com wrote:
: George Takei is at best a third rate actor. Why in the world would
: anyone have him the star of any series.
: he should be the centerpiece of any trek series.
Well, I think that William Shatner proved that you don't have to
be a great actor to play Captain.
Jack M. Cooper
Okay, I have seen the site and I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE
SULU MOVEMENT!!!!!! With the right writing and producing, this could
just be a new day dawning for ST if we can make it happen!!!! I have
met Takei and also read a lot about him. He is a very nice guy and
very blunt at times. He would make for a very unusual and different
ST Captain. A swift kick in the PC is EXACTLY what Trek needs!!!!! The
problem as I see it is, which current series should get the axe for
Captain Sulu? I have heard some *very* unsubstantiated rumors that
Paramount is leaning toward DS9, but it seems to me it wouldn't make much
sense to have two ship-shows at the same time. If I were Paramount, I
would probably axe both of em and just have Captain Sulu and the TNG
movies (allowing Berman and company to continue working only on the
features), but that's just me. An even better solution would be to ax Voy
and keep Tim Russ in his position on the Excelsior, but that probably
won't happen.
Fight on to make CAPTAIN SULU a reality!!!!!!!!!
-Jack M. Cooper
old...@mars.com
ros...@wwa.com (Gregg T. Allinson) wrote:
>mi...@moshpit.com wrote:
>: George Takei is at best a third rate actor. Why in the world would
>: anyone have him the star of any series.
>Kate Mulgrew is at best a third rate actress. Why in the world would
>anyone have her the star of any series.
>: I am sure that George is one hell of a nice guy but that does not mean
>: he should be the centerpiece of any trek series.
>I am sure that Kate is one hell of a nice gal but that does not mean
>she should be the centerpiece of any Trek series.
>: As said before, get off this Sulu bandwagon
>As said before, get off this Janeway bandwagon.
>I know this all comes down to personal taste, but if you've ever seen
>STVI, you know why a Captain Sulu series would work and if you've ever
>seen Voyager, you know a Captain Janeway series *can't* work (IMHO).
>--
>
I am not saying that Mulgrew was the best choice but she has a resume
100 times better than Takei. What the hell besides Sulu has he ever
done?
Mulgrew has more talent and it shows in her track record of movies/TV
roles. Don't blame her for the horrid writing on Voyager.
Must See TV
>I am not saying that Mulgrew was the best choice but she has a
resume
>100 times better than Takei. What the hell besides Sulu has he ever
>done?
>Mulgrew has more talent and it shows in her track record of
movies/TV
>roles. Don't blame her for the horrid writing on Voyager.
The fact of the matter is that Takei have never done ANYTHING
other than Sulu, which makes him rather qualified for the part. We
need someone who KNOWS the Star Trek series. I have read both
Shatners and Whifields books on the Making Of Star Trek, and in
both of them (written about twenty years apart) they comment how
George Takei was an inspired actor, and wouldn't do things that were
not correct. Specifically pushing a button in the wrong sequence or
something. This may sound stupid on the surface, but it is the little
things that make the big things seem so much more important.
mikey
Sulu earned his own show. Trek is a legacy and he has been on the ride
since pretty darn close to day one. Kate Mulgrew, who I enjoy as
Janeway, could never be thought of against a classic, because the
classics are trek, and the rest merely extensions.
Trek desperatly needs another 23rd century outig. That doesnt mean
whatever 24th century stuff should go away though, as seen in your local
bookshop, the 2 can coexist.
Gregg T. Allinson
old...@mars.com wrote:
: I am not saying that Mulgrew was the best choice but she has a resume
: 100 times better than Takei. What the hell besides Sulu has he ever
: done?
Ran for political office, wrote some novels, starred in several films,
including a "Schindler's List"-esque movie with Jeffrey Hunter about the
internment of Asian-Americans in America in World War II...I ain't saying
he's Brando, but the guy's got some stuff at least as important "Mrs. Columbo"
under his belt.
: Mulgrew has more talent and it shows in her track record of movies/TV
: roles. Don't blame her for the horrid writing on Voyager.
Go back through my original post and find one time I blame Mulgrew for
Voyager's writing. I just think that she's a fairly mediocre actress
(though she can be good when she works at it).
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Kate Mulgrew did'nt win Emmy's for nothing.
Garvin Tom
In <4v320q$2...@epx.cis.umn.edu> burd...@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Must See
TV) writes:
>
>>I am not saying that Mulgrew was the best choice but she has a
>resume
>>100 times better than Takei. What the hell besides Sulu has he ever
>>done?
>movies/TV
>>roles. Don't blame her for the horrid writing on Voyager.
>
Sulu would have made for much better series than that of Mulgrew and
Voyager. Here are some reasons. First, we would have gotten to know of
Sulu and maybe the other casts i.e. Chekov, Uhura, and Scotty more than
what we knew from the original series and the movies. Like Kirk said in
Generations, "How did Sulu have time for a family?" For that matter
what did we know about Sulu other then being a helmsman for the
Enterprise?
Second, Sulu and his ship the Excelsior would have taken off where
Undiscovered Country left. The movie era of Trek would have been an
excellent place to explore for television. We know about the 24th
century, but not enough about the 23rd century. How did the Klingons
eventually evolve to become friends of the Federation for example?
And last, here was a chance for Paramount to display an Asian in a lead
role and in a prominent position as Captain of the Excelsior. It is
rare to see an Asian in any kind of television series or movie and if
they were shown on t.v. it would be a stereotypical role i.e. the
Chinese laundry person.
Sheldon Tom (st...@toto.csustan.edu)
Mark Lopa
The last two notes couldn't have expressed what I mean any clearer. If
Takei has only done one major part, don't you think he's pretty damn good
at it? He knows and harnessed the Trek magic better than anyone, in my
opinion. I'm not trying to knock TNG, DS9, or VOY, but I truly believe
what made Star Trek what it is today if from the backbone of TOS, and
another TOS series set in the 23rd Century will bring the full force of
that unexplained magic back.
Mark
Russell
In article <4v08ro$j...@mule1.mindspring.com>, "Jack M. Cooper"
<sd...@atl.mindspring.com> writes
> Okay, I have seen the site and I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE
>SULU MOVEMENT!!!!!! With the right writing and producing, this could
>just be a new day dawning for ST if we can make it happen!!!! I have
>met Takei and also read a lot about him. He is a very nice guy and
>very blunt at times. He would make for a very unusual and different
>ST Captain. A swift kick in the PC is EXACTLY what Trek needs!!!!! The
>problem as I see it is, which current series should get the axe for
>Captain Sulu? I have heard some *very* unsubstantiated rumors that
>Paramount is leaning toward DS9, but it seems to me it wouldn't make much
>sense to have two ship-shows at the same time.
they do decide to make it then by the time they are ready to go Ds9 will
have just finished it's 6 season, which considering how TNG went in it's
final year would be a good place to stop. So we are left with Voyger
which unless it improves will probably be axed so a Sulu show can begin,
with the DS9 staff in charge.
>If I were Paramount, I
>would probably axe both of em and just have Captain Sulu and the TNG
>movies (allowing Berman and company to continue working only on the
>features), but that's just me. An even better solution would be to ax Voy
>and keep Tim Russ in his position on the Excelsior, but that probably
>won't happen.
> Fight on to make CAPTAIN SULU a reality!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> -Jack M. Cooper
>
>
>
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gt...@ix.netcom.com(Garvin Tom) wrote:
>Second, Sulu and his ship the Excelsior would have taken off where
>Undiscovered Country left. The movie era of Trek would have been an
>excellent place to explore for television. We know about the 24th
>century, but not enough about the 23rd century. How did the Klingons
>eventually evolve to become friends of the Federation for example?
Especially now that the movies are going forward from the TNG
timeframe and we have all the time in between.
>And last, here was a chance for Paramount to display an Asian in a lead
>role and in a prominent position as Captain of the Excelsior. It is
>rare to see an Asian in any kind of television series or movie and if
>they were shown on t.v. it would be a stereotypical role i.e. the
>Chinese laundry person.
Or a martial artist...
>Sheldon Tom (st...@toto.csustan.edu)
Gregg T. Allinson
Dan (str...@ibm.net) wrote:
: Not Sulu. He's basically just a poor man's Kirk clone.
Er...no. That's Riker.
Dan
Not Sulu. He's basically just a poor man's Kirk clone. But Shelby. She's
would have wiped the floor with those Kazon fools.
shannara
On Friday, August 16, 1996, Must See TV wrote...
> >I am not saying that Mulgrew was the best choice but she has a
> resume
> >100 times better than Takei. What the hell besides Sulu has he ever
> >done?
> >Mulgrew has more talent and it shows in her track record of
> movies/TV
> >roles.
>
> The fact of the matter is that Takei have never done ANYTHING
> other than Sulu, which makes him rather qualified for the part.
Actually, that's not true. Takei has had other parts in films and
television, but
is best known for his portrayal of Sulu. And remember, when George
first started playing Sulu, he didn't know anything about Trek either. <G>
'Course, there WAS no other Trek before Classic Trek.
Mulgrew makes a great captain of Voyager. Remember that Excelsior is a
bigger ship than Voyager, which is a science vessel. It would have been
a step down for Sulu to become captain of a smaller ship. And besides,
his area of expertise was not the sciences.
shannara
On Thursday, August 15, 1996, "Jack M. Cooper" wrote...
> Okay, I have seen the site and I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE
> SULU MOVEMENT!!!!!! With the right writing and producing, this could
> just be a new day dawning for ST if we can make it happen!!!! I have
> met Takei and also read a lot about him. He is a very nice guy and
> very blunt at times.
Takei is a nice guy and a good actor, but the character just isn't
interesting
enough to have a series about him. And George just doesn't have the
screen presence necessary to be a series focus, IMO.
I'd rather see a new Classic Trek series with new, younger actors
playing Kirk, Spock and the rest and filling in all those years we
never got to see. I'd also like to see the original cast back for at
least one more movie to get Kirk out of the nexus.
Sigh, but the current Paramount bunch hates Classic Trek, because
they had nothing to do with it.
Jimmie J McCoy
In article <01bb92ba.ff512160$7461...@shannara.pnx.com>,
shan...@pnx.com says...
>It would have been
>a step down for Sulu to become captain of a smaller ship. And besides,
>his area of expertise was not the sciences.
Plus the fact that he's got oh, 90+ years of mileage in Starfleet
Service over Janeway. He's got the experience, yes, but Age has to
tell eventually, unless Sulu also found himself leaping over a century
of time like Scotty did. I picture Sulu safely retired by Voyager's
time, perhaps with a wife and grandkids to spend time with, and maybe
the occasional adventure or two.
TREVOR
Michael Beyna
Dan (str...@ibm.net) wrote:
> Not Sulu. He's basically just a poor man's Kirk clone. But Shelby. She's
> would have wiped the floor with those Kazon fools.
I agree with you about Shelby, she really did seem like an excellent
up and coming commander. With a little experience and seasoning,
she would make a great captain.
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Personally, I think that George Takei should get a chance to develop the
Sulu character with his own Star Trek series. Largely because I would
like to see further character development of Sulu and especially Chekov
(if he were to be on the new Star Trek series). Lately, I have been
disappointed with the writing in Voyager and DS9 to some extent. I don't
think that another Star Trek series can mess up the storyline any further.
Realistically, however, I doubt there will be a new Star Trek series
because Takei may not be able to draw enough support from ST fans to the
extent that a production company will be willing to risk their money.
Although one can always hope for a TV movie.
Steve
Dave Miller
Geez, does anybody really think that the bozos who are producing
VOYAGER so badly could do a good job with a Sulu series? I'd rather
that old stuff be left alone.
Trek mines too much old territory. My wish list for the next Star
Trek series is as follows:
- It should take place no earlier than the 27th century. Let's move
ON, folks. This would give us a chance to update the futurology of
the show, which really hasn't changed that much in the past thirty
years. In TOS, we had warp drive, transporters, phasers and photon
torpedos, automatically opening doors, visual real-time communication
over large distances, shuttlecraft, matter/antimatter reactors,
talking computers, and little panels in the wall that produced food.
In TNG, we had warp drive, transporters, phasers and photon torpedos,
automatically opening doors, visual real-time communication over large
distances, shuttlecraft, matter/antimatter reactors, talking
computers, little panels in the wall that produced food, and nicer
carpet. Oh, and a holodeck. One major invention in 100 years. I'm
not impressed. In DS9, we have warp drive, transporters, phasers and
quantum torpedos (ooh .... that's innovation), etc. In VOY, we have
the same stuff only with moving warp nacelles. So let's go ahead in
time a few hundred years and get a really fresh view of what life in
the future could be like. Think of a new ways to travel interstellar
distances. Come up with new weapons. Come up with a radically
different bridge design. Come up with costumes that depart from the
endless variations on a ridiculous, impractical jumpsuit that nobody
in their right mind would really want to wear. (This has always
bugged me. When did people abandon simplicity in clothing? What
would you rather wear on a starship, a button-down shirt and slacks,
or a jumpsuit that must make using the bathroom a procedure to rival
Spock recalibrating dilithium crystals by hand in Trek II?) Give us a
new way for people to move around inside the ship, other than just
turbolifts. I always thought it would be cool if they could modify
the inertial dampening field to be used for transportation, to impart
inertia rather than just damping it. Imagine standing on the bridge
of a ship, saying "Destination: sickbay", and then being wisked at a
couple hundred miles per hour through the corridors by no visible
mechanism. You arrive at sickbay in just a few seconds without so
much as a hair out of place. That's the kind of new stuff *I* want to
see, not just some dumb "bio-neural gel-packs" which do exactly the
same thing that every other computer on Star Trek has ever done.
I'm not trying to say that technology is the basis of Trek, but for me
it is a very large part. Trek lately has boasted that it's the
character development and handling of tricky issues that makes the
show good.
Maybe, but for my money, LAW & ORDER has far more interesting,
well-rounded characters, and does a much better job dealing with much
more complex, relevant issues. L&O also generally has better acting,
and is better directed. I don't watch a lot of TV. If the only thing
Trek offered me was something that was done far better elsewhere, I
probably wouldn't watch it. A large part of Trek's appeal is that it
deals with issues in a futuristic setting. The setting, the vision of
the future IS important. It's this vision that has been essentially
the same for thirty years, and it's this vision that needs to break
NEW ground. Trek desperately needs to abandon the 24th century with
the next series.
- Major writing turnover. Let's get a fresh perspective for a new
series. One of the things that goes through my head as I watch Trek
is how I feel that I could have thought this up. After watching
Berman's Trek for years, now, I just have a feel for the sort of stuff
that gets produced under his reign. Nothing in Trek really surprises
me anymore. And when I watch TV, or read or whatever, I like to see
something that I couldn't have thought up, something that never would
have occured to me. That's where the joy of television or reading
comes in, IMHO. I haven't felt that way while watching Trek for a
long time now. A fresh perspective might change that.
And that's really it. Just two things. In fact, considering my last
point about how I'd like to see stories from the writers that I could
never have thought up, it would be counter-productive for me to then
think up specific things I want to see. But generally, I want to see
a dramatically different futuristic setting, a different perspective
to what Trek is all about, and above all, stories that I don't see
coming a mile away. What more could you ask for?
Dave Miller
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shannara wrote:
>
> On Thursday, August 15, 1996, "Jack M. Cooper" wrote...
> > Okay, I have seen the site and I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE
> > SULU MOVEMENT!!!!!! With the right writing and producing, this could
> > just be a new day dawning for ST if we can make it happen!!!! I have
> > met Takei and also read a lot about him. He is a very nice guy and
> > very blunt at times.
>
> Takei is a nice guy and a good actor, but the character just isn't
> interesting
> enough to have a series about him. And George just doesn't have the
> screen presence necessary to be a series focus, IMO.
I must disagree about the character of Sulu. I happen to think he's a
fascinating character. Many Trekkers have expressed a wish for a captain
character who struck a middle-ground between the overly-action-oriented
Kirk and the way-too-talkative Picard. Well, friends, Sulu is that
character. And if one listens to George, talk about *his* vision of
Sulu, there's a lot more, besides.
As for George himself, he's never been tested as a lead. His work in
STVI was very good, IMHO, and I've heard that his "Flashback" stuff is
also very solid.
Further, if we think of the hypothetical series as an ensemble show,
than I think George is perfectly capable of portraying Sulu in the CO
post on Excelsior.
> I'd rather see a new Classic Trek series with new, younger actors
> playing Kirk, Spock and the rest and filling in all those years we
> never got to see. I'd also like to see the original cast back for at
> least one more movie to get Kirk out of the nexus.
While filling in the "lost years" is an attractive thought, I think that
too much of the characters are integral with the actors who portrayed
them. I'm not sure that getting new cast members to portray the original
characters is a good idea...yet.
OTOH, a "Classic Trek" era series with new characters and set on another
ship, station, etc., rather than CH 1701 Enterprise, might be very
interesting.
> Sigh, but the current Paramount bunch hates Classic Trek, because
> they had nothing to do with it.
I don't know if they *hate* it: many of them just have no feel for it.
(Ron Moore claims to be a big fan; Brannon Braga, OTOH, couldn't care
less.) That's why calls for more Classic Trek--in one form or
another--should be directed to Paramount and its executives, who have
the $$$, not to people like Rick Berman, whose creative vision of Star
Trek seems to touch on the original only peripherally.
Alex
ADM Alex Rosenzweig
Commanding Officer, FH 1860 Avenger
Director, Office of Technical Information
Starfleet/UFPI
al...@castle.net
PS: Did you enjoy seeing Hikaru Sulu in the command chair in STVI:The
Undiscovered Country? Did you know he will appear in an episode of
Voyager next season called "Flashback"? Is that still not enough? Want
more, like me? If so, write Paramount! Join the call for a "Star Trek:
Excelsior" series, mini-series, or novel or comic series. If enough of
us call for it, Paramount might do it!
Per Jacobsen
shannara (shan...@pnx.com) wrote:
> I'd also like to see the original cast back for at
> least one more movie to get Kirk out of the nexus.
Yes! Make it so!
> Sigh, but the current Paramount bunch hates Classic Trek, because
> they had nothing to do with it.
Indeed. Now perhaps we could get Kirk out of the Nexus and put them in?
T Heinis
I am also for bringing back the WHOLE crew in one more movie.
I think the whole crew is also in favor of it. If anyone is going
to storm Paramount with letters, it should be about this!
Per Jacobsen <per...@inet.uni-c.dk> wrote in article
<51fl8r$k...@news.uni-c.dk>...
XeneX
per...@inet.uni-c.dk (Per Jacobsen) wrote:
>shannara (shan...@pnx.com) wrote:
>> I'd also like to see the original cast back for at
>> least one more movie to get Kirk out of the nexus.
He *is* out of the Nexus... and he's dead.
>> Sigh, but the current Paramount bunch hates Classic Trek, because
>> they had nothing to do with it.
>Indeed. Now perhaps we could get Kirk out of the Nexus and put them in?
First of all, most of the TOS actors probably wouldn't want to be in
another movie. If they were they would greedily demand more money
than Paramount has (Shatner and Nimoy demanded heavy royalties for
"Trials and Tribble-ations"). Second, they're all hungry for the big
parts. They want more than they diserve. Nichelle Nichols was kicked
out of "Flashback" because she demanded a bigger part and Takei is
pushing for his own series ... after seeing his acting in "Flashback"
I hope he doesn't get it.
SNOWHUTCH
In article <01bba2c9$0df66b80$87101fce@highness>, "T Heinis"
<high...@csinet.net> writes:
>> I'd also like to see the original cast back for at
>> least one more movie to get Kirk out of the nexus
No, they've had their day. Let them die in peace.
> Sigh, but the current Paramount bunch hates Classic Trek, because
> they had nothing to do with it.
I can't believe they would hate it. Why do they keep bringing back TOS
characters and ripping off TOS plots? They must realize their current jobs
wouldn't exist without it. (Who would have watched TNG when it debuted if
that built-in audience of old-time Trekkers hadn't been there? It wouldn't
have lasted one season). Besides, I think most of the current ST brass
knew Roddenberry. Some of them, like Berman, were handpicked by The Great
Bird, if I'm not mistaken. This notion is silly.
Patrick Weijers
Per Jacobsen (per...@inet.uni-c.dk) wrote:
> shannara (shan...@pnx.com) wrote:
> > I'd also like to see the original cast back for at
> > least one more movie to get Kirk out of the nexus.
> Yes! Make it so!
> > Sigh, but the current Paramount bunch hates Classic Trek, because
> > they had nothing to do with it.
> Indeed. Now perhaps we could get Kirk out of the Nexus and put them in?
NO WAY, people being in the nexus LIKE being there....
lets send them to meet Fek'lhr :)