Picard's mistake
RICHARD TODD WALL
In a receint re-broadcast of the ST-TNG episode where Wesley Crusher
and his flight team had their big crash around Saturn, Picard thanks the
grounds keeper at the academy for his help when he made some big mistake.
Does anyone know what that big mistake was ?????
sandra guzdek
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> In a receint re-broadcast of the ST-TNG episode...................
>........[stuff deleted]..................................Picard thanks the
>grounds keeper at the academy for his help when he made some big mistake.
>
> Does anyone know what that big mistake was ?????
in all honesty i think this is the first mention of it. or perhaps it is the
circumstances surrounding the loss of his real heart described in "Samaritan
Snare" (you know, the Paklid "we are smart" episode).
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>In article <1992Aug11....@ncsu.edu>, rtw...@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD TODD WALL) writes...
>>
>> In a receint re-broadcast of the ST-TNG episode...................
>>........[stuff deleted]..................................Picard thanks the
>>grounds keeper at the academy for his help when he made some big mistake.
>>
>> Does anyone know what that big mistake was ?????
>
>in all honesty i think this is the first mention of it. or perhaps it is the
>circumstances surrounding the loss of his real heart described in "Samaritan
>Snare" (you know, the Paklid "we are smart" episode).
>
that this might be the case, too. However, one comment that the
groundskeeper makes doesn't follow with the bar fight scenario. The
groundskeeper makes a reference to "You knew what you had to say/do.
You just needed a little push..." or something along those lines. At
the bar, I think it was clear who was at fault. I kind of get the
feeling that Piccard was sorrta like Wes in his academy days and was
trying something (possilby illegal) that got him in trouble. Of course,
this is just MHO.
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> In a receint re-broadcast of the ST-TNG episode where Wesley Crusher
>and his flight team had their big crash around Saturn, Picard thanks the
>grounds keeper at the academy for his help when he made some big mistake.
> Does anyone know what that big mistake was ?????
someone else may have posted this before, since i can't recall thinking it
up myself (so apologies if i'm plagarizing you), but didn't it seem
suspicious that as soon as geordi told picard about wes's something-or-another
valve being open before the accident, picard knew right away what wes and
the rest of the flight team had been up to? doesn't it sound as though
picard is REALLY familiar with that particular outlawed manuever?
- Lou
Michael Neylon
when the manuever was tried before, all 5 pilots died. Picard wasnt probably
part of that group :)
I think the problem refered to is of the female variety. Remember from
previous episodes when he refers to his academy days that he fell in love
once or twice during that time, and his grades suffered for that
('I failed Organic Chemistry because of A.F.') I believe that the grounds-
keeper had helped him steer straight and to get the grades, but had also
made Picard look good in the girl's eyes. For examples, if Picard had to
miss a date in the park due to class conflicts, the groundskeeper would
come around to the metting place, and tell the waiting girl a romantic
reason why Picard couldnt make it.
In any case, it NOTHING on the scale of what Wesley's team did. Picards
problems sounds very very minor compared to the trouble that the team got
into....
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JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT
[Insert Discussion on Pakleds "Samariten Snare" and Heart of Picard]
>Somehow, I don't think so. When I first watched First Duty, I thought
>that this might be the case, too. However, one comment that the
>groundskeeper makes doesn't follow with the bar fight scenario. The
>groundskeeper makes a reference to "You knew what you had to say/do.
>You just needed a little push..." or something along those lines. At
>the bar, I think it was clear who was at fault. I kind of get the
>feeling that Piccard was sorrta like Wes in his academy days and was
>trying something (possilby illegal) that got him in trouble. Of course,
>this is just MHO.
Hmm, I agree with the later post! I think that the heart incident was a
different story, both of which are very interesting. I, too, am interested
in finding out more about Picard's past. I haven't seen ANYTHING in the
show that illuminates his situation, are there any books out there that do?
Both the heart incident AND his "Mistake" at the academy are fascinating!
Any and all replies are welcome.
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RICHARD TODD WALL
I agree with you Jeffery. I wish a lot of these unresolved things
in Picard's past would finally get resolved. However, in ST-TOS these wasn't
much of a policy to explore Kirk's past either.
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JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT
it, it happens all the time, especially the way the machine posts my name.
Anyway, I see you point about Kirk, maybe they are leaving Picards past open
for the movies. Naw, that is too wierd, but I bet they are leaving it open
along with all the other little quiet plots (Guinan, the death of Wesly's fatherand all the others) just to keep us watching and waiting. It is frustrating
as a viewer, but you have to admit it is kind of funny to watch us all squirm
and grasp for plausible explanations.
William C. Thompson
Personally, I think Picard was having severe doubts about his sexuality.
These doubts led him to late night romps through campus in a slinky
evening gown singing "I gotta be me" at the top of his lungs. His
friend Boothbe managed to talk him out of it and seek counseling.
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>> In a receint re-broadcast of the ST-TNG episode where Wesley Crusher
>>and his flight team had their big crash around Saturn, Picard thanks the
>>grounds keeper at the academy for his help when he made some big mistake.
>> Does anyone know what that big mistake was ?????
Nope. I doubt even the TNG staffers have any idea. :-) It's never been
made more explicit than that conversation there.
>someone else may have posted this before, since i can't recall thinking it
>up myself (so apologies if i'm plagarizing you), but didn't it seem
>suspicious that as soon as geordi told picard about wes's something-or-another
>valve being open before the accident, picard knew right away what wes and
>the rest of the flight team had been up to? doesn't it sound as though
>picard is REALLY familiar with that particular outlawed manuever?
Not likely, since the last instance was a century before TNG and resulted
in the death of all five cadets. Otherwise, it'd be a nice idea. Perhaps
he thought about talking someone else into doing it and changed his mind...
Tim Lynch
gary l. schroeder
>>>> Does anyone know what that big mistake was ?????
>[Insert Discussion on Pakleds "Samariten Snare" and Heart of Picard]
>Hmm, I agree with the later post! I think that the heart incident was a
>different story, both of which are very interesting. I, too, am interested
>in finding out more about Picard's past. I haven't seen ANYTHING in the
>show that illuminates his situation, are there any books out there that do?
>Both the heart incident AND his "Mistake" at the academy are fascinating!
>Any and all replies are welcome.
Yeah, right. Like the writers would ever have the balls to reveal
anything significant in the past of the main characters. That would be
just too satisfying to the viewing public. Hell, they've been teasing
us for _five_ years about the relationship or lack thereof between
Beverly and Picard. Personally, I don't think we'll ever see any
resolution of this situation. They'd rather _intrigue_ us to death.
Nor are we ever likely to find out how the Big P is related to Jack
Crusher's death. Why start these silly character threads if you never
intend to follow through on them? Grr..
How many times to I have to hear Bev/Picard say: "Beverly/Jean-Luc,
there's something that I've been meaning to tell you about. You're
the...eh, what's that? We're under attack by the Romulan fleet!"
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JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT
>anything significant in the past of the main characters. That would be
Did you read Imzadi? That tells of the story about Riker and Deanna? I also
hear that Vendetta (I think) tells of the story (or at least mentions it) of
Jack Crusher's death. These are not episodes, but they are about the past's of
some of the main charaters.
>How many times to I have to hear Bev/Picard say: "Beverly/Jean-Luc,
>there's something that I've been meaning to tell you about. You're
>the...eh, what's that? We're under attack by the Romulan fleet!"
Hehehehehe that's funny, I have to give you credit for that...
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Scott Gerlach
>Did you read Imzadi? That tells of the story about Riker and Deanna?
Great book! Buy it NOW!! (I don't work for Pocket Books, BTW, it's
just that good.)
>hear that Vendetta (I think) tells of the story (or at least mentions it) of
>Jack Crusher's death.
Sorry, that was _Reunion_ (you know, the return of the Stargazer
crew), but _Vendetta_ is good too.
>>How many times to I have to hear Bev/Picard say: "Beverly/Jean-Luc,
>>there's something that I've been meaning to tell you about. You're
>>the...eh, what's that? We're under attack by the Romulan fleet!"
>Hehehehehe that's funny, I have to give you credit for that...
Agreed! We're all smileys here =)
Too bad Paramount doesn't see the books as being canon (sp?).
There've been some great stories/plot clarifications in the books.
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gary l. schroeder
>
>Personally, I think Picard was having severe doubts about his sexuality.
>These doubts led him to late night romps through campus in a slinky
>evening gown singing "I gotta be me" at the top of his lungs. His
>friend Boothbe managed to talk him out of it and seek counseling.
>"What do you mean Star Trek isn't real!?" - anonymous
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Here in the San Francisco Bay Area we have a military base known as The
Presidio, it is a gorgeous piece of land and The Presidio is on the
closure list of military installations.
Because of the Presidio's enviromental value (would make a wonderful state
park) and its commercial value (would make a wonderful planned community of
multi-million dollar homes) many letters to the editor and radio talk
shows spend time debating the fate of the Presidio. I have often come VERY
close to calling one of these talk shows and telling them that it is a well
known fact that the Presidio is the future home of Star Fleet Command so
the debate is pointless... The Presidio will stay in Government hands!!
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Jorge A. Diaz
>In article <scrotch.713581231@milton>, scr...@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre) writes...
>Ah, no. Im pretty sure that Picard never had any flight training. Second,
>when the manuever was tried before, all 5 pilots died. Picard wasnt probably
>part of that group :)
No, but they could have been attempting it and didn't get caught. If
that kid on Wes' team hadn't gotten killed, they wouldn't have gotten
caught either (probably). It's quite possible that Picard was trying the
same thing. He did seem to realize exactly what the manuver was, and,
more importantly, he realized it the moment Geordi told him that the
whatchamacallit valve was open.
>In any case, it NOTHING on the scale of what Wesley's team did. Picards
>problems sounds very very minor compared to the trouble that the team got
>into....
I'm not so sure... He seem *awful* grateful to that old man. Yes,
his problems sound minor compared to what the team got into, but think
if they hadn't lost a member of the team. They wouldn't have been
caught (probably).
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Shouldn't this be 'lousily'? Adverb, describing the verb 'spell'?
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|> In article <12AUG199...@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> smn...@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon) writes:
|> >In article <scrotch.713581231@milton>, scr...@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre) writes...
|>
|> >Ah, no. Im pretty sure that Picard never had any flight training. Second,
|> >when the manuever was tried before, all 5 pilots died. Picard wasnt probably
|> >part of that group :)
|>
|> No, but they could have been attempting it and didn't get caught. If
|> that kid on Wes' team hadn't gotten killed, they wouldn't have gotten
|> caught either (probably). It's quite possible that Picard was trying the
|> same thing. He did seem to realize exactly what the manuver was, and,
|> more importantly, he realized it the moment Geordi told him that the
|> whatchamacallit valve was open.
|>
|> >In any case, it NOTHING on the scale of what Wesley's team did. Picards
|> >problems sounds very very minor compared to the trouble that the team got
|> >into....
|>
|> I'm not so sure... He seem *awful* grateful to that old man. Yes,
|> his problems sound minor compared to what the team got into, but think
|> if they hadn't lost a member of the team. They wouldn't have been
|> caught (probably).
The point of the show was that reguardless of the death, the trick
was illegal, and probably minor punishment if TRUTH was stated first
with no coverup. This is in line with basic life interaction. The
TRUTH is always easier and simplier. Great Episode.
CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY
>>Yeah, right. Like the writers would ever have the balls to reveal
>>anything significant in the past of the main characters. That would be
>
>Did you read Imzadi? That tells of the story about Riker and Deanna? I also
>hear that Vendetta (I think) tells of the story (or at least mentions it) of
>Jack Crusher's death. These are not episodes, but they are about the past's of
Not "Vendetta", but "Reunion". Not to confuse with the episode "Reunion".
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TJ Wood
> Personally, I think Picard was having severe doubts about his sexuality.
> These doubts led him to late night romps through campus in a slinky
> evening gown singing "I gotta be me" at the top of his lungs. His
> friend Boothbe managed to talk him out of it and seek counseling.
This may have some merit. Remember when Boothby said "What happened to
your hair!?" and Picard just ignored the question? He didn't want to admit
that the "treatments" that he was forced to undergo for his "problem" (or
"THE MISTAKE") caused his hair to fall out.
If Picard just suffered from ordinary baldness, Beverly Crusher would have
used some 24th century technique to help poor Jean-Luc. No, Picard's
baldness must come from some sinister cause that will be explained in an
episode called "THE MISTAKE".
Constantinos A. Caroutas
I would expect birth control to be foolproof by that century.
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jeffski@behave
>Here in the San Francisco Bay Area we have a military base known as The
>Presidio, it is a gorgeous piece of land and The Presidio is on the
>closure list of military installations.
>
>Because of the Presidio's enviromental value (would make a wonderful state
>park) and its commercial value (would make a wonderful planned community of
>multi-million dollar homes) many letters to the editor and radio talk
>shows spend time debating the fate of the Presidio. I have often come VERY
>close to calling one of these talk shows and telling them that it is a well
>known fact that the Presidio is the future home of Star Fleet Command so
>the debate is pointless... The Presidio will stay in Government hands!!
I'm curious as to the strength of the connection between ST and SF. Does
anyone know why there are so many references to San Francisco in Star Trek?
Was Roddenberry born here, or something?
Specific references include:
1) ST:TMP -- San Fran as Starfleet HQ location
2) ST:TVH -- San Fran as Starfleet HQ location
3) ST:TVH -- San Fran as Sulu's birthplace
4) ST:TVH -- San Fran as site of whale search
(San Fran in the 1980s)
5) ST:TUC -- San Fran as Starfleet HQ location
6) ST:TNG -- (several times) as Starfleet HQ location
7) ST:TNG -- (twice so far) as a Starfleet Academy location
8) ST:TNG -- (several times) as location of Dixon Hill's office on the holodeck
(San Fran in the 1940s)
9) ST:TNG -- (soon to be twice) as site of strange alien occurances
(San Fran in the 1880s)
anyone think of any others? It has certainly gotten beyond the point of random
coincidence!
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Victor W. Wong
>>I'm curious as to the strength of the connection between ST and
>>SF.Does anyone know why there are so many references to San
>>Francisco in Star Trek? Was Roddenberry born here, or something?
San Francisco's unique character, combined with a more temperate clim-
ate and close location relative to Hollywood, has made it ideal for
many things, not just Star Trek.
>>Specific references include:
>>1) ST:TMP -- San Fran as Starfleet HQ location
There's a major military shipyard and base in Alameda. ST would have
us believe that Starfleet HQ is a natural evolution from this base.
>>3) ST:TVH -- San Fran as Sulu's birthplace
Nothing unusual about that--all of the major Pacific Coast cities have
a large Asian population. San Francisco, expecially, experienced a
hugh wave of Asian immigration during the 19th century because of the
gold rush and the railway.
>>4) ST:TVH -- San Fran as site of whale search
>> (San Fran in the 1980s)
>>7) ST:TNG -- (twice so far) as a Starfleet Academy location
As a natural extension of HQ. See point above.
>>8) ST:TNG -- (several times) as location of Dixon Hill's office
>>on the holodeck
>> (San Fran in the 1940s)
The grandaddy of hard-boiled detective novels, The Maltese Falcon, is
set in San Francisco. As is The Continental Op series. Don't blame
TNG, blame Dashiell Hammett.
>>9) ST:TNG -- (soon to be twice) as site of strange alien occurances
>> (San Fran in the 1880s)
Hey, the place is famous for being weird, what with the Ripley's Be-
lieve It or Not museum, the strange items on Fisherman's Wharf, the
Haight-Ashbury, etc. A veritable hotbed of pseudo-New Age memorabil-
ia. So what's wrong with taking advantage of the local reputation?
>>________
>>Jeffski.
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I had heard that the reason San Fransisco was chosen was for its initials,
SF, which can be short for either StarFleet or Science Fiction.
Trevor Rook
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special effects company that does the effects for the show, is located in
Marin County. Marin is the county at the other side of the Golden Gate
bridge from SFO.
So that means that lots of work for each show is actually done in the area,
and it would be logical to use a familiar locale...
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immediately, and know exactly where in San Francisco they are. San Francisco
has an atmosphere and mythology (played up in the Dixon Hill episodes) that few
other cities have.
A few other cities have the atmosphere (e.g. New Orleans), but I suspect more
people would recognize the Golden Gate Bridge than the Lake Pontchartrain
Causeway...
I personally find San Francisco to be an illogical (if delightful) choice.
Starfleet is clearly derived from 20th century organizations, so how did
Starfleet's headquarters get so far away from New York (U.N.) or Houston and/or
Cape Canaveral (NASA)?
...laura
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for gags in ST:TVH concerning 23th cy. time travelers back in the
mid-1980's.
One that might have been cute is for them to discover what
BART was like in those days :-) (still a railroad, and a lot noisier
than whatever it is that they are accustomed to, just like all those
other 20th cy. vehicles) Or does everyone travel by transporter in
Star Trek's time? :-)
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>
>I personally find San Francisco to be an illogical (if delightful) choice.
>Starfleet is clearly derived from 20th century organizations, so how did
>Starfleet's headquarters get so far away from New York (U.N.) or Houston and/or
>Cape Canaveral (NASA)?
>
>...laura
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> Wasn't the UN founded in San Fancisco?
Indeed, it was. And SF remains a center for international diplomacy ... the
USSR kept a high-profile consulate there. I'm not sure if the Russians are
keeping it up.
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Jennifer Baughman
not twentieth-century _corporate_ elements like NASA. Starfleet _is_,
however, a direct descendant of....
The United States Navy!!!!!!
San Francisco has a major naval base near it (in Alameda). Its climate is
moderate, compared to other parts of the world. Furthermore, it has such
a mishmash of cultures and peoples, even today, that it makes an ideal
statement regarding the morals and ideals of the 24th century!!!
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